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Speaker 1: In the early morning hours of March twenty seventh, two
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Speaker 1: thousand and three, a four year old boy was lying
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Speaker 1: in bed in rural.
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Speaker 2: Ohio when he suddenly heard his door open.
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Speaker 1: Now, he assumed it was just his great grandparents coming
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Speaker 1: in to check on him, and so, you know, he's
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Speaker 1: a kid.
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Speaker 2: He just pretended to be asleep.
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Speaker 1: But he heard whoever this was, make their way across
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Speaker 1: the bedroom because he heard the floorboards creaking, and at
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Speaker 1: some point they were standing right next to his bed,
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Speaker 1: and so curious, the little boy opened his eyes and
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Speaker 1: what he saw standing next to his bed was not
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Speaker 1: his great grandparents. It was a huge green monster. But
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Speaker 1: let's get into today's story. On the evening of Wednesday,
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Speaker 1: March twenty sixth, two thousand and three, a fifty five
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Speaker 1: year old woman named Linda Myers drove down a secluded
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Speaker 1: two lane road in Dark County, Ohio. Dark County was
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Speaker 1: very rural. It was basically just very small towns in farmland.
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Speaker 1: And so as Linda drove down the road, you know,
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Speaker 1: kind of in the middle of nowhere, she looked at
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Speaker 1: her window and she saw the sun setting over a field.
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Speaker 1: She was coming home from the pizza shop that she
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Speaker 1: and her husband Jack owned in a town nearby. Linda
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Speaker 1: eventually turned down a gravel road and onto the sprawling
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Speaker 1: forty acre farm where she and her husban lived. She
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Speaker 1: parked outside their old farmhouse, and then she grabbed a
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Speaker 1: deposit bag with money from the pizza shop out of
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Speaker 1: the back seat, and then she got out of her car.
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Speaker 1: Their farm was so isolated that she couldn't hear any
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Speaker 1: cars on the road or anything from the neighbor's houses,
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Speaker 1: so it was completely quiet except for the sheep that
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Speaker 1: were bleeding in the field and the occasional sound of
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Speaker 1: power tools coming from the barn. She walked around to
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Speaker 1: the back of the barn and she found Jack hunched
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Speaker 1: over the engine of a beat up old car. The
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Speaker 1: two of them had been married for about seven years,
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Speaker 1: and even though this was actually Linda's third marriage, she
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Speaker 1: really felt like Jack was her soulmate. In addition to
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Speaker 1: owning the shop with Linda, the pizza shop, Jack also
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Speaker 1: had a full time job at a manufacturing plant. Andy
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Speaker 1: also had a side business for storing cars, and so
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Speaker 1: Linda often found him out here behind the barn working
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Speaker 1: on a car around the time the sun was going down,
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Speaker 1: and sitting in the grass beside the car playing with
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Speaker 1: the wrench was Linda's four year old great grandson, Damien,
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Speaker 1: and the second damien'side Linda.
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Speaker 2: He smiled, and he got up, and he.
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Speaker 1: Rushed over to her to give her a big hug,
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Speaker 1: and Damien's smile made Linda feel sort of bittersweet. Damien
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Speaker 1: was the son of Linda's granddaughter Amber, but Amber had
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Speaker 1: gotten pregnant at just fourteen years old, and so as
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Speaker 1: a result, had not been in any position to take
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Speaker 1: care of a baby.
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Speaker 2: So Linda and Jack had offered to take.
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Speaker 1: Damien in and raise him for a few years while
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Speaker 1: Amber finished high school and got on her feet. However,
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Speaker 1: this was definitely not a perfect arrangement for many reasons,
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Speaker 1: but one of those reasons was because Damien's father was
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Speaker 1: furious about being cut out of the custody agreement. Even now,
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Speaker 1: four years after you know, Damien's situation had been decided,
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Speaker 1: the father still argued with Linda about how she wouldn't
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Speaker 1: let him see his son. But Linda felt like as
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Speaker 1: much as he was saying he wanted to be in
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Speaker 1: Damien's life, she felt like at some point he was
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Speaker 1: going to abandon this child, and so she really didn't
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Speaker 1: want him to be around Damien at all. She didn't
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Speaker 1: want her great grandson to be abandoned like that, And besides,
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Speaker 1: Damien would have another figure in his life soon enough,
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Speaker 1: because in the past few years Amber had finished school,
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Speaker 1: she had met a new man and gotten married, and
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Speaker 1: as soon as Damian finished up this year of preschool
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Speaker 1: in a couple of months, Amber and her new husband
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Speaker 1: were planning to take him in and raise him on
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Speaker 1: their own. Linda was proud of Amber how she had
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Speaker 1: turned to life around, but she also felt a little sad,
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Speaker 1: you know, bittersweet, because she and Jack were gonna miss
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Speaker 1: having Damien around they loved him. He was basically their son.
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Speaker 1: Linda knew that Jack clearly was busy with this car
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Speaker 1: and kind of didn't want to be interrupted, so she
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Speaker 1: just said a quick hello, and then scooped Damien up
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Speaker 1: and carried him over to the farmhouse. She opened up
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Speaker 1: the door and she set him down and told him
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Speaker 1: to go wash.
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Speaker 2: Up before dinner.
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Speaker 1: Then she went into the kitchen and she dropped the
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Speaker 1: deposit bag from the pizza shop into a chair in
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Speaker 1: the dining room.
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Speaker 2: The bag was full of cash and her.
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Speaker 1: Plan was to drop it off at the bank in
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Speaker 1: the morning. Linda got out of pan and began cooking dinner,
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Speaker 1: and pretty soon her husband Jack came inside covered in
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Speaker 1: car grease. While Jack washed his hands at the kitchen sink,
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Speaker 1: Linda asked him about his day. He and Jack kind
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Speaker 1: of grumbled about this customer that he had sold a
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Speaker 1: car to on a payment plan the previous year, who
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Speaker 1: had now missed three payments in a row. Jack said
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Speaker 1: he was going to have to drive out there to
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Speaker 1: the person's house tomorrow and repossess the car. Linda could see,
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Speaker 1: you know, Jack is obviously pretty tense here, but Linda
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Speaker 1: knew it wasn't really that misscar payment that was bothering him.
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Speaker 1: The truth was, Jack had been sort of tense really
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Speaker 1: for the past week, ever since he had had this
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Speaker 1: big argument with his twenty five year old son, Greg.
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Speaker 1: Greg had always been very shy and mild mannered and
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Speaker 1: really close with his dad. In fact, he was the
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Speaker 1: best man at Jack and Linda's wedding, But recently Greg's life.
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Speaker 2: Had been falling off the rails.
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Speaker 1: He was in the middle of a divorce, he was
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Speaker 1: struggling with drinking and drug abuse, and he'd been missing.
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Speaker 2: Ships at work.
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Speaker 1: And so earlier that month, he had come by to
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Speaker 1: ask Jack for money because his house was about to
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Speaker 1: be foreclosed on, and Jack had drawn a line and
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Speaker 1: said no. He told Greg that if he wanted to
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Speaker 1: keep his house, he'd have to clean up his act
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Speaker 1: and get back to work, and so that had led
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Speaker 1: to a very big fight. And so now Linda had
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Speaker 1: a feeling that Jack was genuinely worried that he'd done
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Speaker 1: real damage to his relationship with Greg, perhaps irreparably, because
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Speaker 1: something pretty similar had also happened with Jack's other son,
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Speaker 1: Travis about seven years earlier, when Travis was twenty one
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Speaker 1: he and Jack had gotten into this big argument that
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Speaker 1: was so bad Travis moved out and then the two
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Speaker 1: of them had not spoken since for seven years. So
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Speaker 1: Linda thought Jack must be worried that that would be
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Speaker 1: the same thing that would happen with him and Greg.
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Speaker 1: So while Jack washed his hands, Linda rubbed his shoulders
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Speaker 1: and told him not to worry about Greg. He had
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Speaker 1: a good head on his shoulders and he just needed
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Speaker 1: a little nudge to get back on track, and that's
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Speaker 1: all Jack had done. She reassured him that he'd made
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Speaker 1: the right call and Greg would get through this rough
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Speaker 1: patch sooner or later. Then Linda set the table and
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Speaker 1: called the family to dinner. A little while later, after
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Speaker 1: they'd eaten and cleaned up, Linda looked up at the
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Speaker 1: clock and realized it was getting kind of late. Damien
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Speaker 1: had preschool in the morning, and she didn't want him
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Speaker 1: to be tired and grumpy, so she scooped him up
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Speaker 1: and took him to his room upstairs to get ready
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Speaker 1: for bed. She helped him change into his pjs, She
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Speaker 1: brushed his teeth, then tucked him in, gave him a
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Speaker 1: kiss good night, and closed the door. Linda went back
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Speaker 1: downstairs and before long she and Jack were getting ready
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Speaker 1: for bed too. Before long, Linda was in her bedroom,
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Speaker 1: she had turned on a lamp, she had changed into
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Speaker 1: her pgs and crawled under the covers, and then once
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Speaker 1: Jack was settled in next to her, she turned off
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Speaker 1: the light and they fell asleep. But several hours later,
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Speaker 1: Linda was suddenly woken up by this horribly loud noise,
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Speaker 1: and she sat up and looked around, and when her
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Speaker 1: eyes finally adjusted to the darkness, she gasped. The next morning,
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Speaker 1: at a church a mile away from Linda and Jack's house,
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Speaker 1: a preschool teacher was getting ready to start class, but
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Speaker 1: she noticed there was an empty chair in her classroom.
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Speaker 1: One of her students, four year old Damien Huffman, was late.
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Speaker 1: She knew dan Amian's great grandparents led busy lives and
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Speaker 1: had several different jobs and businesses, so she figured they
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Speaker 1: must just be running late. So she began class and
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Speaker 1: hoped they would just drop Damien off before he missed
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Speaker 1: too much. And about an hour later, at nine thirty am,
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Speaker 1: she was leading the class in morning singalongs when Damien
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Speaker 1: suddenly came sprinting into the classroom. Now, at first the
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Speaker 1: teacher was relieved that Damien had shown up, but then
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Speaker 1: she realized Damien looked frazzled and out of breath, and
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Speaker 1: he didn't have his backpack, and he was wearing pegs,
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Speaker 1: and there was the smear of something brown on his shirt.
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Speaker 1: She ran over to him and knelt down next to
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Speaker 1: him and realized the brown spot was dried blood.
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Speaker 2: The teacher asked.
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Speaker 1: Amian what was going on, and he looked at her
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Speaker 1: with the scared, confused expression, and he told her his
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Speaker 1: great grandparents' faces were melting over this past winter break,
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Speaker 1: when myself, my wife, and my three kids were home,
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Speaker 1: I was sent this package of my Mochi, which is
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Speaker 1: like ice these little bites of premium ice cream wrapped
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Speaker 1: in this sweet, chewy dough. And I was told like, hey,
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Speaker 1: try this out, see if you like it, and see
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Speaker 1: if you want to advertise this product.
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Speaker 2: And I'm like, all right, you know, I obviously tried
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Speaker 2: the product.
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Speaker 1: And I am hooked on my Mochi, Like seriously, I
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Speaker 1: was blown away by how good these things are. I
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Speaker 1: was sent strawberry mango and cookies and cream, and let
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Speaker 1: me tell you, cookies and cream is out.
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Speaker 2: Of this world. It's so refreshing.
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Speaker 1: That's the way my wife and I refer to my
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Speaker 1: mochi as being like very refreshing. And so we plow
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Speaker 1: through all this mochi. We got sent and literally we
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Speaker 1: went out before this big snowstorm. We went out to
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Speaker 1: the the grocery store before it shut down because of
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Speaker 1: the storm, just to buy all the mochi we could.
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Speaker 2: Crushed it. It's so good.
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Speaker 1: It's only seventy calories, it's gluten free.
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Speaker 2: It's so good.
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Speaker 1: You gotta try it. My mochi, it's the best. Each
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Speaker 1: purple box comes with six perfectly portioned Mochi snacks, available
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Speaker 1: in mouthwatering flavors like strawberry, mango, and cookies and cream.
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Speaker 2: Cookies and cream. Really quite good.
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Speaker 1: Feel joyfully chill with every bite of my Mochi ice cream.
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Speaker 1: Look for the purple box of my Mochi ice Cream
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Speaker 1: in the freezer isle of your local grocery store. It's
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Speaker 1: really really good. About fifteen minutes later, a police sergeant
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Speaker 1: named Mark Whittaker, along with his partner, drove down a
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Speaker 1: secluded road toward a farmhouse in rural Ohio. Sergeant Whittaker
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Speaker 1: had been a detective for the Dark County Sheriff's department
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Speaker 1: for five years, and he was in charge of the
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Speaker 1: investigative unit. So when the department had gotten a very
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Speaker 1: strange nine to one one call that morning from a
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Speaker 1: local preschool, he was sent out to investigate. According to
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Speaker 1: the preschool teacher, a four year old student named Damien
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Speaker 1: Huffman had come into school covered in blood out of breath,
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Speaker 1: saying something about his great grandparents' faces being melting. The
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Speaker 1: teacher identified the great grandparents as Linda and Jack Myers.
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Speaker 1: Now Whittaker had no idea what Damian meant when he
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Speaker 1: had said that their faces were melting, or what kind
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Speaker 1: of situation Whittaker and his partner would be walking into
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Speaker 1: when they got to the farm, but he had a
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Speaker 1: feeling it would not be good. They pulled up to
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Speaker 1: the farm and parked at the end of the long
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Speaker 1: gravel road, and when Whittaker got out of his car,
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Speaker 1: he immediately noticed how early quiet it was. There was
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Speaker 1: another farmhouse just across the road, and a few more
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Speaker 1: on the horizon, but otherwise they were surrounded by empty
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Speaker 1: fields in every direction. Whittaker began walking towards the front
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Speaker 1: door when he saw the front door was already wide open,
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Speaker 1: but there was no clear sign of forced entry, but nonetheless,
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Speaker 1: Whittaker and his partner reflexively drew their weapons and they
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Speaker 1: stepped inside the house. Whittaker began calling out to see
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Speaker 1: if anybody was home, but there was no response. From
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Speaker 1: where he was standing, he saw there was another open
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Speaker 1: door in the house that led to a set of
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Speaker 1: stairs that went down, presumably to the basement. Whitaker ignored
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Speaker 1: the basement for now and instead continued clearing the first floor.
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Speaker 1: So he went into the kitchen, and once he was
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Speaker 1: sure it was clear, he continued down the hall until
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Speaker 1: he found a doorway that led into a bedroom, and
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Speaker 1: when he went inside that bedroom, he found Damien's great grandparents,
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Speaker 1: Jack and Linda Myers, and they were lying in their
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Speaker 1: bed side by side, and he could tell immediately they
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Speaker 1: were both dead. Now, Jack was actually lying on his stomach,
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Speaker 1: and he could tell right away there was a big
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Speaker 1: bullet wound on the back of Jack's neck. As for Linda,
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Speaker 1: she was on her back and she had gunshot wounds
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Speaker 1: to her face and her hand, as if she had
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Speaker 1: raised her hand to defend herself before she was shot.
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Speaker 1: And so at this point Whittaker and his partner did
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Speaker 1: a full search of the house just to make sure
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Speaker 1: nobody else was there, and it was empty, and so
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Speaker 1: the two went back to the bedroom to begin investigating
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Speaker 1: the bodies. Whittaker put on a pair of latex gloves
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Speaker 1: and touched the wound on.
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Speaker 2: Linda's face, and the blood was still warm.
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Speaker 1: And wet, so he figured likely they'd only been dead
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Speaker 1: for maybe a few hours at most. He looked around
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Speaker 1: the floor and he didn't see any bullet casings, which
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Speaker 1: meant the killer had gone through the trouble of picking
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Speaker 1: them up afterwards to cover their tracks. Then, Whittaker's partner
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Speaker 1: called his attention to this weird plasticy bundle that was
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Speaker 1: lying on a.
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Speaker 2: Pillow near Jack's head.
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Speaker 1: Whittaker picked it up and he saw it was a
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Speaker 1: piece of quilting fabric that was balled up and covered
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Speaker 1: in masking tape. His best guess was that it was
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Speaker 1: a homemade gun silencer. The killer likely taped it to
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Speaker 1: the end of their gun to muffle the sound of
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Speaker 1: the blast, and it must have blown off at some
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Speaker 1: point when they actually began shooting. Immediately, Whittaker wondered, if
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Speaker 1: this was a silencer, why the killer would need one
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Speaker 1: so far out in the middle of nowhere. But when
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Speaker 1: Whittaker left the bedroom and went up a flight of
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Speaker 1: stairs to the room right above where the murders had
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Speaker 1: taken place, he found another bedroom that was full of
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Speaker 1: stuffed animals and toy trucks.
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Speaker 2: It was obviously Damien's room.
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Speaker 1: And it was at this point that Whittaker realized, you know,
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Speaker 1: very likely the killer must have known there was going
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Speaker 1: to be a toddler sleeping right upstairs when they did this,
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Speaker 1: and so they needed the silencer in order to not
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Speaker 1: wake the child when they committed this murder. And so
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Speaker 1: this meant that the killer almost certainly knew Jack and
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Speaker 1: Linda personally. Within minutes, more officers from the Dark County Sheriff's.
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Speaker 2: Office swarmed the property.
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Speaker 1: Whittaker went outside to supervise them, and pretty quickly a
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Speaker 1: forensics officer called him over to look at a set
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Speaker 1: of footprints that they had found in the mud. Whittaker
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Speaker 1: followed the trail of footprints around the side of the house.
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Speaker 2: To a basement window.
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Speaker 1: The window pane had been pried off, leaving an open
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Speaker 1: hole that was just big enough for a person to
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Speaker 1: squeeze through. Whittaker crouched down and looked through the open space,
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Speaker 1: and he could see inside there was a set of
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Speaker 1: stairs leading up to the main part of the house,
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Speaker 1: and so he realized this must have been how the
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Speaker 1: killer got inside, and it was also why when they
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Speaker 1: had first gone inside that they had seen the door
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Speaker 1: to the basement standing wide open, and so this only
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Speaker 1: made Whittaker more sure that this crime had to have
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Speaker 1: been committed by somebody close to this couple, because the
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Speaker 1: killer obviously knew the layout of Linda and Jack's house.
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Speaker 2: Whittaker told the forensics.
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Speaker 1: Officer to make a cast of the footprints so they
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Speaker 1: could figure out what type and size of shoe the
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Speaker 1: killer was wearing. And then as Whitaker stood back up,
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Speaker 1: he noticed something else. The phone lines that were running
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Speaker 1: along the side of the house had clearly been severed.
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Speaker 1: The killer clearly had planned ahead and made sure that
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Speaker 1: nobody in.
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Speaker 2: This house could call for help.
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Speaker 1: Just then, a truck pulled up at the end of
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Speaker 1: the road and a woman got out and started walking
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Speaker 1: toward the house. Whittaker quickly went over to stop her
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Speaker 1: from getting too close to the crime scene, and he
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Speaker 1: asked her what she needed, and she said she was
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Speaker 1: a neighbor who lived at the next property over. She
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Speaker 1: said that she had seen the police cars coming down
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Speaker 1: the road, and she didn't really know what was going on,
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Speaker 1: but she felt like she had information that they might want.
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Speaker 1: The neighbor said that around four point thirty that morning,
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Speaker 1: she'd seen a mini van leaving the Meyers farm. It
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Speaker 1: had been so dark that she hadn't been able to
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Speaker 1: see what color it was, but it had stuck out
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Speaker 1: to her because as far as she knew, the Myers
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Speaker 1: did not own a minivan. And so hearing this, Whittaker realized,
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Speaker 1: you know, this woman may have seen the killer leaving
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Speaker 1: the property, and if that was true, it meant the
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Speaker 1: murders most likely happened before fourth already in the morning,
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Speaker 1: and so this was potentially quite useful. And so he
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Speaker 1: thanked the neighbor, and after she left, he went back
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Speaker 1: inside the house to look for more clothes. He really
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Speaker 1: wanted to piece together a motive. You know, he felt
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Speaker 1: strongly that whoever had done this knew Linda and Jack,
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Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean that the motive is clear. You know,
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Speaker 1: there could be any number of reasons they would attack them.
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Speaker 1: Maybe it was a robbery. Maybe they were just you know, getting.
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Speaker 2: Revenge or something.
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Speaker 1: He didn't know, But as he began walking around the house,
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Speaker 1: he found a literal deposit bag full of cash in
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Speaker 1: the living room, which certainly suggested that this was not
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Speaker 1: a robbery because that would certainly have been taken. And
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Speaker 1: also there was some pretty expensive electronics in the living
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Speaker 1: room that also had not been touched, so robbery seemed
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Speaker 1: to be out the door. But when Whittaker went back
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Speaker 1: upstairs to take a closer look at the toddler's bedroom,
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Speaker 1: he noticed something odd. There was a little red stain
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Speaker 1: on the bedding that looked like dried blood. While forensics
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Speaker 1: teams were still combing over the farmhouse, another investigator assigned
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Speaker 1: to the case, a guy named Detective Mike Burns, went
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Speaker 1: to the local preschool to speak.
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Speaker 2: To four year old Damien.
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Speaker 1: Burns was a father himself, and he felt an immediate
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Speaker 1: connection to this little boy, who at this point looked
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Speaker 1: scared and very confused. Now he knew it was going
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Speaker 1: to be very difficult for Damien to rehash something that
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Speaker 1: was so traumatic, But Damien was the only potential witness
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Speaker 1: in the house when his great grandparents were killed, so
17:25
Speaker 1: speaking to him was the police's best bet at figuring
17:29
Speaker 1: out what happened, and so Burne sat down on the
17:31
Speaker 1: floor with Damien inside of a private room, and he
17:34
Speaker 1: asked him to explain what had happened that morning.
17:37
Speaker 2: Damien, in a.
17:38
Speaker 1: Four year old way, said he'd woken up around eight
17:41
Speaker 1: forty five and the house.
17:42
Speaker 2: Had been very quiet, so he'd gotten out of bed.
17:45
Speaker 1: And went into his great grandparents bedroom, and then he
17:48
Speaker 1: said that both of them had been in bed and
17:50
Speaker 1: he thought they were sleeping, but when he tried to
17:53
Speaker 1: wake them up, they wouldn't move, and then he realized
17:56
Speaker 1: there was blood on their face, and he said he
17:59
Speaker 1: had tried to the blood off with Kleenex wipes, but
18:02
Speaker 1: there was so much of it that he realized something
18:04
Speaker 1: was very wrong. He thought for a second that their
18:07
Speaker 1: faces were melting, and so to save his great grandparents,
18:11
Speaker 1: he had run the full mile down the road to
18:14
Speaker 1: his preschool to get help. Burns was surprised that this
18:17
Speaker 1: four year old could remember and articulate so much about
18:21
Speaker 1: such an awful experience, but he was very grateful because
18:25
Speaker 1: the child's story explained why there was blood on Damien's shirt. However,
18:29
Speaker 1: it did not explain why they'd also found blood on
18:32
Speaker 1: Damien's bed, so he asked Damien if he had gone
18:35
Speaker 1: back into his own room after finding his great grandparents,
18:38
Speaker 1: but Damien said no, he'd gone straight out the front
18:41
Speaker 1: door and gone to his school. Burns thought there had
18:43
Speaker 1: to be more to the story, though, because otherwise he
18:46
Speaker 1: just couldn't explain how blood wound up in Damien's room,
18:49
Speaker 1: So he brought over a dollhouse and he asked Damien
18:53
Speaker 1: to go ahead and act out everything that had happened
18:55
Speaker 1: the night before, using toys to represent himself and his
18:58
Speaker 1: great grandparents. Damien put the toy that represented himself into
19:02
Speaker 1: bed in one room, and then he put Jack and
19:05
Speaker 1: Linda into the bed in the other room, and he
19:08
Speaker 1: said everybody went to sleep at their normal bedtimes. But
19:11
Speaker 1: later in the middle of the night, he heard his
19:14
Speaker 1: bedroom door open and he said somebody came inside. Burns
19:18
Speaker 1: asked Damien who it was, and Damien paused, and then
19:21
Speaker 1: he said the Green Monster. At first, Burns wasn't really
19:25
Speaker 1: sure what to make of this. He wondered if Damien
19:28
Speaker 1: was just imagining things or describing a nightmare or something,
19:31
Speaker 1: But then Damien set the toys down, and then to
19:34
Speaker 1: represent this green monster, he used his fingers to crawl
19:38
Speaker 1: across the floor of the dollhouse toward Damien's bed. Damien
19:42
Speaker 1: said he had heard the door open in his room,
19:44
Speaker 1: and he had opened his eyes just a little bit,
19:46
Speaker 1: but he didn't want to give away that he.
19:48
Speaker 2: Was fully awake, so he was just squinting his eyes.
19:51
Speaker 1: And he said when he did that, he saw the
19:53
Speaker 1: Green Monster right next to his bed, and the Green
19:56
Speaker 1: Monster was pointing a gun at him, and Damien.
19:59
Speaker 2: Was so t terrified.
20:00
Speaker 1: He said he shut his eyes and just pretended to
20:02
Speaker 1: be asleep, and then he said when he opened his
20:04
Speaker 1: eyes again, the green Monster was gone. After hearing this,
20:08
Speaker 1: Burns realized that Damien's recollection was almost certainly not a dream.
20:13
Speaker 1: More likely than not, Damien had come face to face
20:16
Speaker 1: with his grandparents killer they were the Green Monster. After
20:24
Speaker 1: leaving the preschool, the next priority for Detective Burns was
20:27
Speaker 1: to speak to Damien's mother, nineteen year old Amber Holscher,
20:31
Speaker 1: And so the detective drove out to Amber's house, which
20:33
Speaker 1: was in a nearby town, and when he rang the doorbell,
20:36
Speaker 1: she answered right away. Now, at this point, nobody in
20:39
Speaker 1: the family had been notified yet about the murders, so
20:43
Speaker 1: Amber seemed to have no idea why a detective was
20:45
Speaker 1: now standing on her doorstep. Now Burns knew this, and
20:48
Speaker 1: so he said to her, can I please come inside?
20:51
Speaker 1: We need to speak, And so, confused Amber said okay,
20:54
Speaker 1: and she let him inside and they sat down in
20:57
Speaker 1: the living room, and then Burns said to her, you
20:59
Speaker 1: know very gently that her grandparents, Linda and Jack Myers,
21:03
Speaker 1: were no longer with them. But when Amber heard this,
21:06
Speaker 1: she just looked confused and asked what he meant, like,
21:08
Speaker 1: where are they? So Burns took a deep breath and
21:11
Speaker 1: he clarified that they were deceased. Amber looked completely shocked
21:16
Speaker 1: and immediately asked, is Damien dead too? But Burne said no, no,
21:20
Speaker 1: he's alive, but he's going to be kept in protective
21:23
Speaker 1: custody for a while in case whoever killed Jack and
21:26
Speaker 1: Linda try to hurt him too, and until they narrowed
21:29
Speaker 1: down the suspects, Damien would not be allowed to see
21:32
Speaker 1: anybody in the family, including her his own mother. At
21:35
Speaker 1: this point, Amber just began to cry. Burns felt horrible
21:38
Speaker 1: for her, but really he was thinking about Damien. He
21:41
Speaker 1: knew he had to solve this case as quickly as possible,
21:44
Speaker 1: because every day that he didn't would be another day
21:47
Speaker 1: that Damien would have to spend alone without any family
21:50
Speaker 1: to comfort him. Based both on Amber's reaction to the
21:53
Speaker 1: news and the fact that Damien did not mention seeing
21:56
Speaker 1: his mother on the night of the murder, Burns thought
21:59
Speaker 1: it was highly unlikely that Amber was a suspect, but
22:02
Speaker 1: she could know something that might help the investigation. So
22:05
Speaker 1: once she calmed down, Burns asked her if she knew
22:08
Speaker 1: anyone who might have wanted to hurt her grandparents, and
22:11
Speaker 1: right away she nodded, and she mentioned Damien's father, Andrew Huffman.
22:16
Speaker 1: She said Andrew hated Linda because she wouldn't let him
22:19
Speaker 1: see Damien. In fact, just recently, Andrew had come to
22:23
Speaker 1: Linda's pizza shop and started a fight with her about custody,
22:26
Speaker 1: and it had escalated to the point where Andrew had
22:29
Speaker 1: publicly threatened to kill her. This obviously caught Burns's attention
22:33
Speaker 1: because it made perfect sense as a motive. If Linda
22:36
Speaker 1: and Jack were out of the way, well, Andrew would
22:38
Speaker 1: have an easier time getting custody of Damien, and so
22:41
Speaker 1: he thanked Amber and promised he would be in touch soon,
22:44
Speaker 1: and then as soon as he was back in his car,
22:46
Speaker 1: he called Sergeant Whittaker and he told him what he'd learned.
22:50
Speaker 1: Later that day, Whittaker and his partner made the two
22:53
Speaker 1: hour drive to Andrew's address in Newport, Kentucky. When they
22:57
Speaker 1: got there, Andrew quickly came to the door and let
23:00
Speaker 1: them inside, and they sat down, and Andrew looked at them, like,
23:02
Speaker 1: what's going on?
23:04
Speaker 2: And they told him that Linda and Jack had been murdered.
23:07
Speaker 1: And they watched Andrew for his reaction, and he seemed
23:09
Speaker 1: very surprised, but he definitely did not seem upset. Andrew
23:13
Speaker 1: would then admit that he did not get along with
23:15
Speaker 1: Ander's family, and when Whittaker asked him about that big
23:19
Speaker 1: argument at the pizza shop, Andrew did not deny that
23:22
Speaker 1: he had literally threatened to kill Linda, but he swore
23:25
Speaker 1: he would never actually do it. He said it was
23:27
Speaker 1: just an empty thread he made in the heat of
23:29
Speaker 1: the moment. Still, Whitaker thought Andrew looked very suspicious, so
23:33
Speaker 1: he asked him for an alibi. And Andrew said he'd
23:35
Speaker 1: stayed over at a girl's house on the night of
23:37
Speaker 1: the murder, and in the morning, he'd stopped by his
23:40
Speaker 1: dad's house and then gone straight to work, and you
23:41
Speaker 1: could ask all those people, and that's where he was.
23:44
Speaker 1: Whittaker wrote all this down and then asked Andrew a
23:46
Speaker 1: few more questions and then thanked him for his time.
23:49
Speaker 2: And then as soon.
23:50
Speaker 1: As the detectives left, they immediately went to go check
23:53
Speaker 1: on Andrew's alibi. They went to that girl's house, then
23:55
Speaker 1: they went to Andrew's dad's house, and then they also
23:58
Speaker 1: went to his place of work, and everybody at those
24:01
Speaker 1: three locations all confirmed Andrew's alibi. So unless someone was lying,
24:05
Speaker 1: it left no window of time where Andrew could have
24:08
Speaker 1: driven two hours away to Ohio to murder Jack and Linda.
24:12
Speaker 1: Whittaker was disappointed that they basically wasted most of the
24:14
Speaker 1: day on this lead that now looked like it wouldn't
24:17
Speaker 1: go anywhere, especially knowing that again every moment in this
24:21
Speaker 1: case that it went unsolved was another moment that Damien
24:24
Speaker 1: would have to spend away from his family all alone.
24:34
Speaker 1: The following morning, Detective Burns, the same officer who had
24:38
Speaker 1: spoken to Damian and also his mother, Amber, sat inside
24:41
Speaker 1: of his office feeling very frustrated. He had one goal
24:44
Speaker 1: for the day. He wanted to interview Jack's a strange son,
24:47
Speaker 1: twenty eight year old Travis Myers, but it was looking
24:50
Speaker 1: like that was going to be harder than he had anticipated.
24:53
Speaker 1: So the day before, a bunch of Sheriff's deputies had
24:56
Speaker 1: interviewed Linda and Jack's family and friends, and family members
25:00
Speaker 1: in particular had mentioned that Travis and Jack had some
25:03
Speaker 1: bad blood, and when Burns had dug through the files
25:06
Speaker 1: on Travis, he found out that Travis also had a
25:09
Speaker 1: criminal record. But there was a problem. It appeared that
25:12
Speaker 1: Travis hadn't even been in Ohio in seven years, the
25:16
Speaker 1: last anybody in the family had heard. He'd moved to
25:18
Speaker 1: Arizona to live with his mother. But when Burns had
25:21
Speaker 1: called the mother that morning, she said that she actually
25:23
Speaker 1: didn't know where Travis was at all, and there was
25:25
Speaker 1: no other address on record for Travis. So Burns basically
25:29
Speaker 1: had no idea where he was, and so he began
25:32
Speaker 1: to wonder, like, how was he going.
25:33
Speaker 2: To track Travis down?
25:34
Speaker 1: And he decided he should start by visiting Travis's younger
25:37
Speaker 1: brother and Jack's other son, whose name was Greg. Burns
25:41
Speaker 1: knew Greg lived only a few towns over, and even
25:44
Speaker 1: though he really wasn't sure how close the brothers might be,
25:46
Speaker 1: it was the only lead he really had. A little
25:50
Speaker 1: while later, Burns showed up at Greg's house and he
25:53
Speaker 1: knocked on the front door, and a moment later a
25:55
Speaker 1: young man in a baseball cap answered, and he looked
25:58
Speaker 1: very much like he'd been crying. Burns asked if he
26:00
Speaker 1: was Greg Myers, and the young man nodded and stepped
26:03
Speaker 1: aside to let him in. Greg did not seem remotely
26:05
Speaker 1: surprised by this visit. He said the police had already
26:08
Speaker 1: contacted him the night before to tell him about his
26:11
Speaker 1: father and stepmother's murder, and since then, he said, he'd
26:14
Speaker 1: just been waiting for somebody to come by and talk
26:16
Speaker 1: to him, because he'd seen enough TV to know that
26:18
Speaker 1: family members were always the first suspects. But when they
26:22
Speaker 1: got into the living room, Burns stopped in his tracks
26:25
Speaker 1: because there was another young man standing in the doorway,
26:28
Speaker 1: and he looked a lot like Greg. Burns asked who
26:31
Speaker 1: it was, and Greg said, Oh, that's my brother, Travis.
26:34
Speaker 1: Burns couldn't believe his luck. He'd come here hoping to
26:36
Speaker 1: figure out where Travis might be, but he never imagined
26:40
Speaker 1: he would just find Travis standing in Greg's house. And
26:43
Speaker 1: this was a big development because really, until now, Burns
26:46
Speaker 1: had no idea if Travis was even in the state
26:49
Speaker 1: at the time of the murders. But Greg would actually
26:51
Speaker 1: tell him that Travis had been in Ohio for the
26:54
Speaker 1: past several weeks, staying in an apartment that he had
26:57
Speaker 1: rented right nearby. Burns did think the timing seemed very suspicious.
27:01
Speaker 1: It just seemed way too convenient that Travis had come
27:03
Speaker 1: back into town for the first time in almost a
27:06
Speaker 1: decade right before Jack and Linda were killed.
27:09
Speaker 2: It just seemed too perfect.
27:11
Speaker 1: And also, at this point, it just seemed really suspicious
27:14
Speaker 1: that these two brothers are just standing here waiting for
27:17
Speaker 1: police to come question them.
27:18
Speaker 2: It just something felt off.
27:20
Speaker 1: So Burns, operating on a gut instinct, told them both
27:23
Speaker 1: that in order to question them, they actually had to
27:26
Speaker 1: come with him to the station and do it formally.
27:28
Speaker 2: Down there.
27:34
Speaker 1: Less than an hour later, Detective Burns opened the door
27:37
Speaker 1: of the Dark County Sheriff's office and he showed Greg
27:39
Speaker 1: and Travis Myers inside. Now, neither of the brothers were
27:43
Speaker 1: under arrest yet, but Burns had a feeling that by
27:45
Speaker 1: the end of their interviews, one or both of them
27:48
Speaker 1: could be Burns took Greg into his office for questioning,
27:51
Speaker 1: while Burns's partner took Travis into a room down the hall.
27:55
Speaker 1: As soon as Greg sat down in front of the desk,
27:57
Speaker 1: Burns noticed that he wasn't making eye contact with him.
28:00
Speaker 1: He was sort of acting shifty. But pretty quickly, Greg
28:03
Speaker 1: said he was perfectly willing to tell the detectives anything
28:06
Speaker 1: they wanted if it could help solve his dad and
28:08
Speaker 1: stepmother's murders, and so Burns immediately began asking questions.
28:12
Speaker 2: He asked Greg what he was doing in.
28:14
Speaker 1: The early hours of Thursday morning when Jack and Linda
28:17
Speaker 1: were killed, and Greg told him that mostly he was
28:19
Speaker 1: just asleep, that is until about four thirty when he
28:22
Speaker 1: got up to go to his job at a factory
28:24
Speaker 1: that was a few towns over. He also said his
28:26
Speaker 1: girlfriend was at home with him the whole night and
28:28
Speaker 1: she could confirm that. He then said he drove to
28:31
Speaker 1: work in his minivan and he clocked in at five
28:34
Speaker 1: twenty three am, and he even had a signed time
28:36
Speaker 1: card back home that would prove it. And Burns was
28:39
Speaker 1: immediately very interested to learn that Greg drove a minivan,
28:42
Speaker 1: because remember that neighbor had said she saw a minivan
28:46
Speaker 1: leaving the Meyers farm around four thirty on the morning
28:49
Speaker 1: of the murders, suggesting the killer drove a minivan. However,
28:53
Speaker 1: Burns was starting to realize that even if Greg's alibi
28:56
Speaker 1: were shaky or didn't check out the timing alone and
29:00
Speaker 1: likely ruled him out, it basically was impossible to drive
29:03
Speaker 1: from Greg's house at four thirty am when he left,
29:06
Speaker 1: go all the way to the farm, commit the murders,
29:09
Speaker 1: then drive to the factory, and be able to clock
29:12
Speaker 1: in at five twenty three am when he had his
29:14
Speaker 1: time card stamped. That just wasn't enough time to do
29:18
Speaker 1: all that. And also, pretty much everybody in the family
29:21
Speaker 1: had told Burns that Greg was quite close with Jack
29:24
Speaker 1: and Linda. Now he was having some problems with drugs
29:27
Speaker 1: and alcohol, but he had no history of crime or violence,
29:31
Speaker 1: and none of his family members thought he seemed capable
29:33
Speaker 1: of being a killer. So even though Greg remained a suspect,
29:37
Speaker 1: Burns decided he would shift his focus to Travis. So
29:40
Speaker 1: Burns asked Greg how had Travis reacted when he heard
29:43
Speaker 1: about Jack and Linda's murders, and he said Travis had
29:46
Speaker 1: been upset, but he'd mostly been concerned about how Greg
29:49
Speaker 1: was coping. Because Greg was the one who was much
29:52
Speaker 1: closer to Jack and Linda.
29:53
Speaker 2: You know, Travis was estranged.
29:55
Speaker 1: Greg went on to say that it had been at
29:57
Speaker 1: least seven years since Travis, in a his father had
30:00
Speaker 1: spoken and that those two did not get along at all.
30:03
Speaker 1: Burns asked Greg about that falling out between Jack and Travis,
30:07
Speaker 1: and Greg said it just came down to business disagreements
30:09
Speaker 1: on the farm. He said Travis had felt like his
30:12
Speaker 1: father was cheating him out of money, and they had
30:13
Speaker 1: this big argument that got really ugly, so Travis had
30:17
Speaker 1: just quit the business and moved away. Burns thought about this,
30:20
Speaker 1: and he wondered if maybe Travis stood to inherit any
30:23
Speaker 1: money if his father died, because if so, that would
30:26
Speaker 1: definitely be a solid motive for murder. And so Burns
30:29
Speaker 1: made two mental notes. One was to look into Greg's
30:32
Speaker 1: alibi and the other was to look into Jack's will
30:36
Speaker 1: to see how his assets were going to be divided up.
30:38
Speaker 1: After that, he thanked Greg for his cooperation, told him
30:41
Speaker 1: to wait in his office, and then Burns left and
30:44
Speaker 1: he went right down the hall, and he waited outside
30:46
Speaker 1: the door while his partner finished questioning Travis. Burns's partner
30:51
Speaker 1: would say that Travis had seemed really nervous from the
30:54
Speaker 1: very moment he stepped inside the room. The detective had
30:57
Speaker 1: asked him what he was doing in Ohio, and Travis
30:59
Speaker 1: said he'd just been reevaluating his life recently, and he'd
31:02
Speaker 1: realized that he'd never actually met his brother, Greg's children,
31:06
Speaker 1: so he'd come back to Ohio to do just that
31:08
Speaker 1: and spend some time with them. Then the detective asked
31:11
Speaker 1: him what he was doing when Jack and Linda were killed,
31:14
Speaker 1: and Travis stuttered out that he was sleeping in his apartment.
31:17
Speaker 1: The detective asked him if he had anybody who could
31:20
Speaker 1: confirm that, and Travis kind of hesitated and then shook
31:23
Speaker 1: his head and said no. Then the detective asked Travis
31:26
Speaker 1: if he had a car, and Travis said that at
31:29
Speaker 1: the moment, he was driving his mother's car, a white minivan.
31:34
Speaker 1: After getting debriefed by his partner about this interview with Travis,
31:37
Speaker 1: Burns went back into his office. By this point, Greg
31:40
Speaker 1: had been moved out and put in a different room,
31:42
Speaker 1: and Burns sat down at his desk and he began
31:45
Speaker 1: going over the evidence they had collected so far. Now,
31:48
Speaker 1: the investigation to this point had been moving really quickly,
31:51
Speaker 1: and so there actually wasn't a whole lot of evidence yet.
31:54
Speaker 1: In fact, it had only been twenty four hours since
31:57
Speaker 1: the forensics were sent to the crime lab, so they
31:59
Speaker 1: were still waiting for results on pretty much everything. Burns
32:02
Speaker 1: knew that at this point the best thing he could
32:04
Speaker 1: do while he waited for more evidence was go follow
32:07
Speaker 1: up on Travis and Gregg's alibis. After all, they are
32:10
Speaker 1: the victim's children, and he already thought that the killer
32:12
Speaker 1: had to be connected personally to the victims, and they
32:16
Speaker 1: both drove minivans, so really either of them could be
32:19
Speaker 1: the killer.
32:20
Speaker 2: But just then Burns's phone rang.
32:22
Speaker 1: They picked it up, and it was a local man
32:24
Speaker 1: who said he had seen a news report about Jack
32:26
Speaker 1: and Linda's murders and he had some information that just
32:29
Speaker 1: might help. The man said that a few days earlier,
32:33
Speaker 1: his friend had called him to see if he knew
32:35
Speaker 1: where they could buy a gun. And when this man
32:37
Speaker 1: who's talking to Burns, you know, asked this friend why
32:40
Speaker 1: they needed the gun, the friend said it was because
32:43
Speaker 1: they quote wanted.
32:44
Speaker 2: To shoot Jack Myers.
32:46
Speaker 1: The man told Burns the name of his friend who
32:49
Speaker 1: said this, and as soon as Burns heard that name,
32:52
Speaker 1: he knew exactly who his murderer was. Based on this
32:59
Speaker 1: phone phone call as well as forensic evidence from the
33:02
Speaker 1: crime scene, this is what police believe happened to Jack
33:05
Speaker 1: and Linda Myers on the morning of March twenty seventh,
33:08
Speaker 1: two thousand and three. Early on the morning of the murders,
33:19
Speaker 1: the killer woke up and got out of bed and
33:21
Speaker 1: right away put on a green hunting jumpsuit, and they
33:24
Speaker 1: also packed a bag with duct tape, trash bags, and.
33:27
Speaker 2: A roll of masking tape.
33:29
Speaker 1: Then they put on a pair of latex gloves and
33:31
Speaker 1: loaded the twelve gage shotgun that they had purchased from
33:33
Speaker 1: a classified ad two days earlier, and they carried all
33:36
Speaker 1: their supplies out to their minivan. After they were ready,
33:40
Speaker 1: they hopped in the driver's seat, turned on the car,
33:42
Speaker 1: and then drove a familiar route through the dark, open fields.
33:46
Speaker 1: They were calm at first until they turned onto the
33:48
Speaker 1: gravel road that led to Jack and Linda's farm. At
33:52
Speaker 1: that point, their heart began to race. Now the killer
33:54
Speaker 1: felt like they had planned all of this out and
33:56
Speaker 1: prepared for anything that could go wrong.
33:58
Speaker 2: So now really all.
33:59
Speaker 1: They had had to do was just control themselves and
34:02
Speaker 1: just stick to the plan. And so the killer parked
34:04
Speaker 1: right outside the farmhouse and then while staying in the car,
34:08
Speaker 1: they climbed into the back seat of the mini van
34:10
Speaker 1: and they grabbed their shotgun. Then they grabbed this thick
34:13
Speaker 1: quilting fabric and they wrapped it around the barrel of
34:16
Speaker 1: the shotgun and they used masking tape to secure it.
34:19
Speaker 1: That was their DIY silencer. But as they went through
34:23
Speaker 1: this plan, the Killer's hands were shaking. They were nervous
34:26
Speaker 1: because as much as they had planned for this, it
34:29
Speaker 1: really was not something they actually wanted to do, but
34:33
Speaker 1: they felt like they had to. So after their gun
34:35
Speaker 1: had its silencer on it, they slung it over their shoulder.
34:38
Speaker 1: Then they got out of the van and crept around
34:41
Speaker 1: to the side of the house, and once they were there,
34:43
Speaker 1: they cut the phone lines so nobody inside would be
34:46
Speaker 1: able to call for help. Then they knelt down in
34:49
Speaker 1: the dirt and they pried open the basement window and
34:51
Speaker 1: they climbed inside. Once inside, the killer walked to the stairs.
34:55
Speaker 1: They went up to the first floor, and they walked
34:58
Speaker 1: straight to the bedroom where they knew Jack and Linda
35:00
Speaker 1: would be asleep.
35:01
Speaker 2: They went inside and there they.
35:03
Speaker 1: Were sleeping in their beds, and the killer took a
35:06
Speaker 1: deep breath and then raised their shotgun and they fired
35:09
Speaker 1: a single round into the back of Jack's neck. But
35:12
Speaker 1: the force of the gunshot had blasted off the homemade silencer,
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Speaker 1: and so basically it wasn't silent at all. It was
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Speaker 1: extremely loud, and that homemade silencer landed on the pillow
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Speaker 1: right next to Jack's head, and almost immediately from the chaos,
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Speaker 1: Linda sat up and she looked straight at the killer,
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Speaker 1: and she saw what was happening, and she just raised
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Speaker 1: a hand to try to defend herself, and in a
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Speaker 1: moment of panic, the killer just turned the shotgun on
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Speaker 1: her and they fired twice, and one blast went through
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Speaker 1: her hand and the other struck her right in the face.
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Speaker 1: At this point, the killer just paused and waited. The
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Speaker 1: silencer had sort of muffled the first shot, but the
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Speaker 1: second two were so loud they knew that noise easily
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Speaker 1: could have woken up the third person who they knew
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Speaker 1: was in this house, someone they really didn't want to hurt.
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Speaker 1: They had to, they would so just to make sure
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Speaker 1: they didn't have any loose ends. They left Linda and
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Speaker 1: Jack's bedroom confident they were dead, and they crept upstairs to
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Speaker 1: little Damien's room, and they went inside, and they carefully
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Speaker 1: walked over right next to the boy's bed, and they
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Speaker 1: raised their shotgun and aimed it at this child, waiting
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Speaker 1: to see if they were awake. But the little boy
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Speaker 1: appeared to be asleep, and so the killer spared him.
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Speaker 1: They lowered their shotgun and they walked out of the room.
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Speaker 1: Once they were out in the hallway, they shut Damien's
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Speaker 1: door and then hurried right out of the house. And
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Speaker 1: from there they got back in their minivan and they
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Speaker 1: sped off a few miles away. They stopped on a
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Speaker 1: bridge and tossed their gun, their supplies, and their clothes
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Speaker 1: into a river, and then they changed into their work
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Speaker 1: clothes and they drove to the factory where they would
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Speaker 1: clock in at precisely five twenty three am. The killer
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Speaker 1: was Jack's younger son, Greg Myers. Greg had been having
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Speaker 1: problems with money and drug abuse, and his father, Jack
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Speaker 1: had refused to help him, and they were fighting about it,
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Speaker 1: but Greig knew he would inherit the farm if his
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Speaker 1: father died, and he was so desperate he decided murder
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Speaker 1: was his best option. When police timed the drive from
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Speaker 1: Jack and Linda's farm to Greg's workplace, they found that
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Speaker 1: he would have actually had just enough time to commit
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Speaker 1: the horrible double murder and then drive straight to work
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Speaker 1: and clock in by five twenty three. Greg was ultimately
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Speaker 1: arrested about forty eight hours after the crime, so quickly
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Speaker 1: that police were actually still gathering evidence to use against him.
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Speaker 1: They later found the gun, other supplies and shoes that
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Speaker 1: matched the prints found outside the house in a river
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Speaker 1: right near the farm, and fingerprints and receipts tied all
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Speaker 1: the items back to Greg. He was convicted of murder
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Speaker 1: and sentenced to life in prison without parole. As for Damien,
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Speaker 1: following the murders, he would go to live with his
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Speaker 1: mother Amber, despite everything he witnessed at just four years old,
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Speaker 1: Amber said in a twenty twenty one documentary that he
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Speaker 1: is now doing very well.
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