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Harrison Kramer on Viral Videos With Meta Glasses! #279 · The Magic Guys

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  They're guys. They do magic. They are the Magic Guys.
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  Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome.
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  To episode 279.
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  Of the Magic Guys. I'm Josh Norbedo from Australia and joining us live from LA is Mr. Nick K.
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  That's right, friends. You're boys in the City of Angels all the way from Melbourne
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  after a wonderful 14-hour flight. It's good to be here.
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  Boom. How was the flight, by the way? What do you do to kill the time?
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  Do you sleep, do magic, watch movies? What do you do?
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  I had to catch a daytime flight. So I left at like 9am and then flew for 14
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  hours. So it was basically daytime for me, as far as my brain was concerned.
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  I did try to nap, maybe got an hour in, but I went through two books,
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  started a third, watched a few movies.
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  And then I was just working on Emonica, trying to memorize it.
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  So I just do stuff. I'm not too upset. I'm always so busy. I don't mind sitting
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  still for 14 hours. It was great.
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  Sometimes it's nice to have that time, right? Just to. Yeah.
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  And yeah. And I was going to ask for an upgrade, but before I said anything,
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  the lovely lady who, who, when I was checking in just went, I'm going to give
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  you a whole road of yourself. And I was like, I'll take that.
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  I'm not going to ask for an upgrade anymore. So yeah.
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  So I just got to put my feet up and whatever else like it was great yeah dude that's awesome dig,
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  dig i am changing all my words today father dig couldn't make it today because
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  he's still recovering and getting used to being on screen with his new uh pearly
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  whites but he'll be on soon so we will welcome dig when he comes back.
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  But today we are joined by a viral sensation who has been a friend of mine for
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  a While now we do, as you know,
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  we have a very similar approach to magic and love for a certain type of card
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  magic, if it all stacks up right, if you know what I mean. And I think you do.
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  And this guy, New York City magician performing full time. And then in the recent,
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  I want to say year or so, which we'll talk all about, he has been getting millions
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  and millions of views doing card magic, which is so beautiful and pickpocketing.
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  He's getting so much attention. I couldn't be happier for him.
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  And I can't wait to talk all about it. please welcome, it's Mr.
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  Harrison Kramer.
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  Harrison Kramer.
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  Thank you so much for having me. Such a pleasure to be here.
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  Welcome to the show, buddy. Please tell everyone who are you. What do you do?
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  So I am Harrison Kramer. I am a magician based out of New York City.
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  I do mostly corporate events and virtual magic shows.
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  And then in about November of last year, I got the metaglasses.
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  And I've been on my own journey trying to figure out what that can do and where
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  that goes. And so I guess it's now July. So we're about maybe eight months into the metaglasses.
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  Man, I mean, let's just dive into a little bit of that first,
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  because that's how like a lot of people know about you, right?
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  Yeah, well, the only way that people know about me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Dude, you got to take what comes, right? Like, tell me, what was your life and
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  social media life before Metaglasses?
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  Yeah, so it's a pretty interesting, like, viewpoint to see, like,
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  back like a year ago, two years ago, three years ago, posting on Instagram,
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  like what you were thinking versus like now.
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  Once you've kind of seen the other side of like like lots of views and numbers
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  and comments and all this stuff and just like so like have a better understanding
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  of how like these things exist and what they really are
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  so yeah so i had like a thousand instagram followers less my entire life i think
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  in december of 2025 i had a thousand instagram followers so this is less.
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  After i started posting my my my videos and then in january i think i had like
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  my first video that was like like oh people are watching this and then all of
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  a sudden i had four thousand and five thousand and six thousand
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  and then i had the cop video and then it kind of like went a lot faster from there but,
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  but yeah people who don't know what was the cop video yeah so i i basically
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  i got these meta glasses and i had been doing magic mostly in like
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  the restaurant settings that i was in for monday night magic which was like
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  kind of the place where it made the most sense to use the glasses
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  and what would happen was you know i take the train to and from the city and
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  i would essentially do these metaglasses gigs but the problem with the metaglasses in the the,
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  the restaurant environments is you're so like performative and it's not quite
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  doesn't have as much vibe as you're looking for for these like sort of videos
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  or at least i was looking for
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  and so when i was on my way home from these events or the these uh monday night
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  magics usually i would go through these these hubs you know penn station or grand central.
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  And I was in Penn Station and I was, my train was like leaving in like,
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  like 10 minutes, something like that.
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  And, you know, I had sort of been like playing around with, you know,
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  how do you like shuffle cards in front of people so that they ask you to do
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  a magic trick? Cause that was like, it's much different when you approach someone
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  versus when they ask you to do magic trick.
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  So I was sort of like playing with that concept and I was sort of standing there
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  waiting for my train and there was this like gaggle of police officers.
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  And I'd always, and this wasn't just like a spur of the moment thing.
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  I'd always thought the idea of stealing watches from on-duty police officers
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  was a really interesting concept.
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  And so essentially the cards allow you to get close and test the waters and
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  feel what it's like without stealing the watch. And so I was there for the watch,
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  but I essentially approached these guys and I said, do you want to do a magic
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  trick before my train? The approach is in the video.
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  And they say yes. And so I do some shitty stack magic, which I cut out.
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  And then I go for the watch immediately. And I took the watch and I gave it
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  back and I cut like right at the last second. So you can see the guys like smile
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  fade when I reveal the watch.
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  But there was no nothing beyond that because the reaction was generally negative.
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  They weren't really happy. And I ended up like walking away quickly to my train.
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  So so yeah. So essentially, that was like the first video that I had that went crazy.
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  It was the only video that I had that went crazy. But it was the first video
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  that I had that like, you know, really was like, well, what the fuck is this?
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  So essentially, I posted the entire video the first time as a trial reel.
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  And it got like 8 million views in three hours. But the problem was,
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  was that the comments were brutal for the police officers. And I didn't want
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  to like, I didn't want to have this reel that was like going crazy,
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  like crazy, like 8 million views in a few hours is crazy. Right.
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  And, and I was like, I was like, but this is, this is not good.
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  I don't want this. So I deleted it.
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  And, and then I like sat on it for three days and I was like,
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  ah, like I want to show this moment, but I don't want, I don't want to have
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  like this baggage of, of people like in the comments.
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  And so I cut out everything I cut out.
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  All of the card tricks, I cut out the steel and I just showed the approach, the folding of the card.
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  And then it cuts to the guy opening his hand and the card doesn't change.
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  And then I give back the guy's watch and that was the video.
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  And yeah, and so it did like, it also did like 10 million views in the first
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  day. And then like the second day it did 20 million views.
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  And then now it's at like 120 million views and like that.
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  Dude, it's insane. And I think you, what you did was you found like,
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  whether it was accidental or not, i guess not because you were trialing cutting
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  different bits like you found the essence of why that effect was so interesting like the plot of,
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  could you steal a watch from a policeman like even you said you said that would
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  be interesting and you did the thing that everyone's like,
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  would never try you know right right and then i did it again too but that was later yeah yeah yeah.
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  And and what's really and i'll tell you,
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  you know people because i don't know how people perceive me i,
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  i nobody really talks to me i'm here in my basement i have like views and stuff
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  but like otherwise it's just me in my basement but the reality is is that when
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  i go in there and i'm stealing police from police officers which is only two
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  times but three times because one of them was two two watches,
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  i am using the card magic to create very serious rapport before anything else
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  such that there is no way that they can perceive the watch steal as anything but a magic trick,
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  yes so so i like people don't really understand that because they're not a magician
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  and they don't understand how you can create that rapport with a group of strangers
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  so like the first one didn't go
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  so well because i stole and they were unhappy and we made the video great whatever
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  i made the cops look as good as i could awesome,
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  the second video it was like the magic was like kind of a little off because
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  i was a little off it was like late but then,
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  it was just like such a.
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  Like a gauntlet of an experience of approaching these police officers and like
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  sort of building the rapport and then double watch dealing to the outside onlooker.
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  It's like, oh my God, what if he had been caught? And like, yes,
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  to a certain extent, what if I had been caught?
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  But like, if you perceive it as I perceive it, like they knew that I was doing
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  magic for them and we were all having fun together.
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  And if they had caught me stealing their watch, it wouldn't have been a,
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  oh, you're going to jail or arresting you kind of situation.
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  I mean, possibly, I don't know. But generally, I'm making sure that the rapport
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  is there with card magic that may or may not be included in the video.
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  Yeah, it's like if you see someone float on a stage in a theater,
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  you don't freak out and think ghosts are real and they have real power.
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  It's like you've built a context around this is a fun entertainment piece that I do for a living.
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  And it's part of that. And for sure, people, we are not saying go out and try
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  and steal people's watches on film. It's a really bad idea.
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  I will tell you the stealing from strangers on street magic on the street without,
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  without context is quite a learning curve and quite something that I've sort
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  of pulled back from, to be honest.
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  Like I, I, I won't go for watches now if I haven't developed significant rapport.
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  Yeah. And, and to bring it all back, like what's counterintuitive here that you figured out is.
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  We normally as magicians think that what's successful come in videos is us showing
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  us at gigs, like in gig situations, like we should be filming us in a professional setting
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  and we're a professional magician and that's what we should show on social media
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  so we can get booked in the places that look like the place we're making the videos.
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  But at the end of the day, like all the videos that are doing well of yours
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  are the ones where we get to see humans in their natural state in the wild,
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  where you're obviously not being paid to be there, and that's the stuff people
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  find the most interesting. And there's something...
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  Interesting there because you know we spend so much money in production and
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  videographers and editing and all that stuff to make promo videos for example
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  and you know and this is like the opposite,
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  if i could speak to that for a second because i think that with pickpocketing
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  it's it's very difficult to say that like i'm gonna go in there and i'm gonna
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  this i think that pickpocketing is definitely one of those things that are very
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  opportune yeah you know which is just like that.
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  What you got to look for but is that what you do do you go out today be like
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  i'm gonna get you know what's today or do you sort of go oh so the first police
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  officer video that did all the views that didn't include any of the actual magic
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  that was just basically like a short story
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  that one i went for the watch i saw them standing there and i was like oh i'm
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  gonna go do card for those guys and i'm gonna try and steal that guy's watch
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  that one right there that guy like it was it was it was it was a there was a motive
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  the second video with the two police officers in the large group the five police
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  officers at grand central that one i didn't know anything until i got there
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  i just approached asked them they wanted to do card tricks started doing the
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  card tricks started spotting the watches and then,
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  once i was like too far in i just did it you know it's like yeah let's go,
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  yeah but yeah generally i'm never approaching people for the watch like again
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  i i will say that i have pulled back a little bit from the watches because i've
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  been normally i would just film this stuff in my everyday life.
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  But in the past month, I would say, I've been actually going out once a week to make these videos.
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  And I've been doing it in a very kind of different way than I had done it in the past.
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  And I will say that I've had some really poor performances for some people who
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  felt like maybe I was trying to steal from them.
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  And that didn't feel good at all. And so I needed to fix that.
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  I needed to figure out, why would you be in this situation, Harrison? What are you doing.
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  So I need to like, you know, sort of recalibrate that, like,
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  oh, watch, you know, I need to recalibrate that because, you know,
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  it's not a, it's not a pleasant thing for me to feel that way.
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  And it's also not a pleasant thing for someone else to think that I'm actually
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  trying to steal from them.
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  Yeah. I mean, you're, you're working it out. Like you're the,
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  you know, one of the first guys doing this, like on this scale to where you're
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  having to figure out the approach and what for you, what works and,
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  you know, so well done to sticking through it.
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  I mean, so you have a. Yeah. So one thing that I've been doing recently,
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  which is kind of silly, but it works a little bit is if I sense that it's like,
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  it's going to be a good video and I want to steal the watch, but like.
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  This is like a very sinister set so far and they are like freaked the fuck out
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  and if i go for that watch like i don't know what they're gonna think so one
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  thing that i've been doing is i've been giving someone my phone i don't know
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  what that really means or how that but i'd say here
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  we paper you hold on to this and so the idea being that if someone caught me stealing the watch
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  somebody else in that group has my cell phone therefore there's some sort of
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  rationale for why I gave them the cell phone, even though in their mind,
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  they're like, okay, he can steal it and ask for the cell phone back and it's
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  all fine. But we're not looking for that scenario.
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  We're, well, we are looking for that scenario.
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  But if I get caught, the idea being that if they have something that's more
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  valuable than the watch in their hand, at least I can try to explain it away.
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  I've never been in that situation, but that's something that I've done recently.
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  You know, I have, and I was going to actually bring that up.
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  It's the type of thing where you can just give something that's of a monetary
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  value. It doesn't have to be anything particularly really big,
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  but this happened to me recently when I was, I was performing a trick and did
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  like a jumbo coin production.
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  The CEO wouldn't give me back the coin.
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  And, and I was like, you're the thing. He was like, no. And I want to tell you
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  what, you give me back the coin and I'll give you back your phone.
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  Cause I, I picked him, I lifted him from, from that act.
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  And that just made everyone blow right up. And it was one of those things that
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  it is kind of important to have that, that little playing field in a sense,
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  because I guess ultimately what you're doing, depending on what capacity performing in.
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  What I see, what's interesting is that typically at a paid gig,
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  which is what most of our listeners are aspiring to, is you should probably
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  put the guest experience at the forefront of that.
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  And if you are trying to take things from them is going to go against that guest
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  experience, that could be one of those things as well. So just have that in
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  the back of your mind if you decide to approach this.
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  Yeah stealing at an event is very different from stealing on the street for
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  people that you're not paid to perform for yeah it has a very different feel
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  and like and it's way more sketchy and yeah it's just different yeah.
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  Yeah yeah yeah what what is magic what is it like being a magician in new york
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  city by the way yes there's a lot of talent yeah yeah,
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  yeah so there's so many magicians i there's probably like 500 magicians maybe
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  more i have no idea there's a lot of like ego and a lot of like elitism and
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  things like this but generally speaking there's like lots of magicians to.
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  Liaise with to hang out with lots of like really great people in really every
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  single category of magic some of the greats of our art either started here or
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  are here or spent a lot of their time here
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  and there's lots of institutions there's lots of magic shows
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  i would say that there's lots of competition but I don't think that really like
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  affects anybody unless they're letting it affect them I think there's like there's
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  so many people here that it's it's fine and,
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  And yeah, Magic New York City is great. I've always like been really happy to
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  be here because if I wasn't here, I wouldn't have gotten to do all the gigs that I got to do.
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  And all the gigs that I got to do are what allow me to do the things that I'm
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  doing now, the virtual magic shows, the videos, everything is sort of informed
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  by like, you know, real gigs that I did for the past 10 years,
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  12 years, something like that, that like helped me,
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  be able to work in front of a group of people and not work in front of a group
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  of people in like the theatrical sense.
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  Like oh there's a curtain that opens and now you do your set work in front of
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  a group of people like like oh you're the magician like please like entertain
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  us like that's your job let's we're watching you know and so like,
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  if you don't know how to be in that scenario for an hour and then,
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  jump in your car and drive to another gig and like change quickly and like run
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  out of the car and be in that situation again for another hour
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  then it's gonna be really hard to do a lot of the things that you want to do
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  because that is the real work like you know what i mean like when when you're
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  surrounded by by 30 people at a wedding and you just like totally run out of
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  material that is the real work like
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  what you do in that moment defines you you know what i mean yeah yeah.
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  Yeah that's when you bust out the the linking rings and you go in in your pocket
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  you're like what other stuff in my case yeah yeah like you know like when you're
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  walking to your bag but you don't know what you're going to get from it you're like,
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  uh yeah it's like that feeling yeah you know i'm curious how different is your
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  persona on the street versus at a corporate super different and i think that's
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  like part of it is like you know we all have different
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  like vibrations of performance for different scenarios but generally speaking
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  like in the beginning i really liked my restaurant videos but now i look at
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  my restaurant videos and i'm like ah.
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  It doesn't matter how good the switch was it's just too like you know but whereas
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  on the street when when you're like
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  when you get it vibing it's like you can stand there and you can just like hold
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  the deck and be like oh you want to do another one we can do another one but
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  you can't do that at a gig because nobody's gonna be like oh,
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  we want to do another one you want to do another one it's like yeah i'm a paid
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  magician i'm gonna do another one obviously whereas whereas on the street there's just like it's so,
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  open for for like vibes that yeah
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  i basically i try and do like a very relaxed version of myself some of the videos
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  i'm more performative and some of them i'm less performative
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  but generally speaking like if you can just stand there and talk to the people
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  and be funny and be interesting and make amazing things happen in your hand while you're doing it.
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  And not be too like showy and performative, that's what I'm going for.
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  Because there's like some of my sets where I'm out in the park and I encounter
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  like a bunch of guys and I do a set for them.
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  But because they're like a bunch of young guys in the park and they actually
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  already knew my Instagram and they're excited about it, it's like,
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  it's still street magic, but it kind of just feels like a strolling like set.
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  And so it's like, it works and it's fun and the people enjoy watching it on
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  the internet still, but it's just not like, it's not vibey.
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  You know there's no vibe it's just like would you another set cool,
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  would you say it's more so that they get to come into your world in that moment
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  like you create this little bubble and they get to walk into it for just a moment
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  whereas you like when you're at a corporate event or an event in general you're
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  kind of going into their world and you have to sort of.
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  Go in there and then blog your world? I would say both times I'm going into
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  their world because I'm always like approaching.
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  But yeah, at events, you know, it's much more of like, you're there to compliment
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  their experience inside of this structure of the event. And they understand
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  who you are and what you do and why you're there.
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  And they just have so much more information.
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  Whereas like, when I go up to like a bunch of food delivery guys who are like,
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  crouched over their phones on the side of the street. And I'm like,
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  do you guys want to do the car trick? They're like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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  And like, they don't have any information. So like, if you can get past that,
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  and all of, all of a sudden,
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  you're, you're in front of all these delivery guys from Guatemala,
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  and they're like digging your card magic, and they're freaking out like that's
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  amazing but you only got there because they didn't have the context so the,
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  the the journey from them not having
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  the context to sort of like maybe understanding what this is all about
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  that is what the people on on instagram are enjoying like that is that is the
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  thing it is the tension that makes the videos good you know it's like it's it's the example of the,
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  the anti-stooging content like people are so sick of videos that are set up
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  or ai or acting or uh yeah we're going to film this for content so act like
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  this even if it's not magic you know.
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  We like just crave authenticity and that's what you're giving is is us seeing
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  that bit of tension where they're trying to figure out what the hell's going on
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  you win them over it's like it's just so refreshing i think yeah yeah i think
• 21:36
  that i think the metaglass is like really helped with that and another thing
• 21:39
  that I've talked about with a few people about the metaglasses is like, like,
• 21:44
  One thing that people don't realize is like the authenticity,
• 21:47
  yes, comes from not being them, not being prepped, not, you know,
• 21:50
  like trying to like pump up reveals and like make it all showy and like,
• 21:54
  and like, boom, it's over there.
• 21:56
  Like it's about having this like subdued performance ability that like makes
• 22:00
  them experience the magic on their own terms without you coaching them into a specific reaction.
• 22:05
  But also what people don't realize is with the glasses, like.
• 22:11
  I'm looking at them in the eyes and you don't see that so like not only am i
• 22:16
  doing the magic and talking to them but the way that i look at them very much.
• 22:23
  Coaches their reaction you know like in in in a certain sense without coaching
• 22:27
  it with my voice without coaching it like saying like oh i want you to react like this,
• 22:32
  i am pacing and leading them by the way that i make eye contact with them and the group so like
• 22:39
  when when the card you know turns over and i'm like this you know it's very
• 22:43
  different from when the card turns over and i'm like this which is which is like you know
• 22:48
  something that the glasses don't see you know and and that is part of
• 22:53
  the videos is not just the magic it's also me in the way that i enter i mean
• 22:56
  obviously me and the way that i interact with the people that's creating the
• 23:01
  reactions themselves because like even if you know
• 23:04
  there are many people even if someone can do exactly what I do with the deck
• 23:07
  of cards in exactly the same way that I do it and say the exact same things,
• 23:11
  the people might still not have the same reaction because they're looking into
• 23:15
  someone else's eyes, you know?
• 23:17
  Yeah, that's right. And that's another interesting thing about the metas is,
• 23:22
  when we in the past would feel magic for social media, we're normally framing
• 23:27
  it in a way that me and the spectator are facing the camera that's filming us.
• 23:32
  So your body is only half towards the spectator, but mainly playing to the camera,
• 23:37
  of the eyes of who are watching at home.
• 23:39
  Whereas this is in order to film their reaction, you have to look directly at them.
• 23:45
  So they feel the intensity.
• 23:48
  A hundred percent absolutely absolutely and yeah there's just something about
• 23:53
  the glasses like i would recommend everybody get the glasses like i mean i you
• 23:57
  know i i don't know if i love them yeah i don't know if somebody doesn't like
• 23:59
  me saying that but like everybody should get the glasses because there's just
• 24:03
  there's something about it like i remember the reason why i got the glasses
• 24:06
  was not because i like saw a video where i was like oh i want to make a video
• 24:10
  like that definitely not it was that i was at gigs and i didn't have the right promo video,
• 24:16
  because i I wasn't able to get someone to film me doing the amazing magic that
• 24:21
  I sometimes accomplish at gigs.
• 24:22
  And I was like, man, if I could just like be there by myself and be relaxed
• 24:27
  and be in these situations and catch the moments when they happen, that would be a banger.
• 24:33
  And so I got the glasses and that's what I did. I talked to the client.
• 24:36
  I was like, hey, I want to try these glasses at the gig. And they were like,
• 24:38
  yeah, do it. Like we want the video.
• 24:40
  And so I went to my first thing and and then I got out and I looked at the videos.
• 24:45
  I was like, oh my God, this is exactly what I'm looking for.
• 24:49
  Because when you're out there at events, you're always alone and there's no
• 24:53
  camera when you have your heart as a banger.
• 24:55
  When people like fucking die and everybody freaks out and you just did like
• 24:59
  the sickest, like totally impossible thing that happened all on its own that
• 25:04
  you didn't even really do, but you really did it because it wouldn't have happened
• 25:07
  if you weren't set up to do it. You didn't have all the information that made it possible.
• 25:11
  Those are the moments that I wanted to catch with the metaglasses.
• 25:15
  And that's like kind of what the videos that I'm making sometimes are.
• 25:18
  And why I think some people on the internet are like interested in the videos
• 25:22
  is because some of the magic is impossible because of the methods that we use,
• 25:27
  but also because I'm not showing all the times that it was shitty and I'm showing
• 25:31
  the times that it was good and not just that, but I'm showing an impossible moment,
• 25:36
  surrounded by a bunch of almost impossible moments.
• 25:39
  So so you're seeing like wow that's
• 25:41
  amazing wow that's amazing wow that's amazing what the fuck was that,
• 25:45
  you know what i mean and it's that moment in the middle that was just totally
• 25:49
  impossible that was only captured because you were there with the glasses not
• 25:54
  because you had some girl who you hired on the internet to come film you and
• 25:57
  it ruins the whole vibe anyways you know 100,
• 26:00
  dude you're speaking our language yeah you know i'm curious if it's worth doing
• 26:05
  this approach in which you give the metas to someone to wear, to then watch you.
• 26:11
  There's a few people that already do this. I mean, I haven't actually done it
• 26:15
  myself, but I do reserve the right to do it, not copying anybody else because
• 26:18
  it's a very easy idea to think of.
• 26:20
  But yeah, there's two magicians who I'm familiar with on the internet who do this already.
• 26:25
  I will say, like, I've tried it. I have a video of someone...
• 26:29
  Wearing them and the problem is they don't understand how the filming works
• 26:32
  so their head is going fucking this way up down i put it,
• 26:37
  on a girl and her hair is getting in the way of the camera it was really like yeah i didn't
• 26:43
  after that moment i was like this isn't right because i can't tell them keep
• 26:47
  your head like this don't move i think in a certain circumstance it could work
• 26:52
  really well like imagine if you
• 26:54
  you had one person in front of you and you did some card magic everybody's gathered
• 26:58
  around and you say okay cindy now look
• 27:00
  i'm gonna put these on you okay so boom cindy now why can you come down to the
• 27:04
  ground you do like a haunted deck on the ground which i think haunted decks
• 27:06
  on the ground are like the worst use of of invisible thread ever but but uh,
• 27:11
  but still like like the i like if you had one person who was wearing the glasses
• 27:15
  and there was other people surrounded but you used like that person as your
• 27:19
  main spectator and you really focused them down
• 27:21
  i think i think it could it could be interesting but i don't like being in the
• 27:24
  videos My favorite part is not being in the videos, you know?
• 27:27
  That's my favorite part.
• 27:29
  Well, I don't know, man. I mean, you've got a very charismatic vibe,
• 27:32
  so I don't think you should be hiding it.
• 27:33
  Well, I'm not hiding. It's just like I like not being in the videos, you know?
• 27:38
  It's like, it's always been a thing for me. Even I remember with the virtual
• 27:41
  magic shows, like I always loved the fact that like, in my view,
• 27:45
  I was just like a little box in the corner and like all the people were here
• 27:50
  and like that was the show.
• 27:51
  And then I was just like creating the show with the little box.
• 27:54
  Like yeah in reality when they're at the show they see me full screen i get
• 27:58
  it but like my view is better you know.
• 28:03
  Yeah i get that i mean i've been telling you and i've been telling adam axford
• 28:07
  that like what you guys have been doing with wearing med is is you've taken
• 28:11
  the next step of what david blaine was realizing which is it's more interesting
• 28:15
  watching the spectator watch magic than it is seeing the magician be a fancy
• 28:20
  sleight of hand and so you've taken it an even further level and just taking
• 28:24
  yourself out of it entirely,
• 28:26
  and just put it on.
• 28:28
  What you see, which is the spectator. And I would say for magicians listening
• 28:33
  to this, like I can second, you know, buying them for the use of capturing moments
• 28:39
  at gigs to create montages.
• 28:41
  And, you know, because everything is vertical these days, you can make a promo
• 28:44
  reel for Instagram that's in a portrait, you know, vertical mode.
• 28:49
  And it's you introducing yourself. And then it's, you know, all these banger
• 28:52
  reactions that you've captured yourself.
• 28:54
  I have, so for the year of 2025, five, every gig I did, I took the metas to every closeup gig.
• 29:01
  I told the client, Hey, I have these, they can capture your guests reacting.
• 29:05
  Would you like me to use them? I'll give you a montage of all your guests at the end.
• 29:10
  And I had this whole folder of all of these client events that I've done montages
• 29:15
  for and giving them to the client.
• 29:16
  And a benefit to that I'll say is this year, I'm hitting up all these clients again for their gigs.
• 29:22
  And I'm sending them that video again, going hey remember how much fun this
• 29:26
  was should we do this again it also helps you even remember some of the yeah
• 29:30
  some of the people that were there too by re-watching that video so there's lots of benefits to it,
• 29:36
  well i have a question for you guys because there's obviously two options you
• 29:38
  can get when purchasing these where you have the uh clear lenses and the ones that are you know tinted,
• 29:46
  which ones and why.
• 29:49
  Okay, so here's my banger secret for all of you guys.
• 29:54
  So first thing is clear lenses for me. That's just my thing.
• 29:58
  But here's my banger. You ready?
• 30:00
  So if you get the Oakley metas, the frame on mine, at least,
• 30:06
  is like a good like inch or two higher.
• 30:10
  So all of this gets lost.
• 30:14
  Interesting. So on the Ray-Bans, right?
• 30:19
  It's it's you gotta like you gotta go down here right in order to lose it right
• 30:23
  or you'll be like you know bubble peeking like at your waist or something whereas
• 30:26
  for whatever reason i've been i just got them like a couple months ago the or maybe a month ago the,
• 30:32
  the oakley's and i've been using them just a little bit because they're less
• 30:34
  comfortable so i always go for the ray-bans first but but recent videos i'm like wait a second,
• 30:39
  this frame is a little higher like it's not getting those peaks at all what
• 30:44
  the hell is this i gotta wear those all the time so yeah so i would say that
• 30:47
  if you're doing the kind of magic that we do and you are looking for another
• 30:51
  pair of glasses, don't hesitate to get the Oakleys instead of the Ray-Bans because
• 30:56
  my experience is that the frame is just a tiny bit higher.
• 31:00
  That's so interesting and so nuanced and so meta. Ding, ding, ding.
• 31:05
  Yes. But yeah, I will say I also, I own both the clear and the tinted ones. Nice.
• 31:13
  And I find that I just am always using the clear ones. But the tinted ones I
• 31:17
  found I would use if I was doing an outdoor gig, like a festival or something,
• 31:22
  that made sense to have sunnies on. Yeah.
• 31:26
  And it's fine, but I'm, like, using them 10% of the time.
• 31:30
  Yeah, but again, if you want those eyes, right? So it's like when you have the
• 31:33
  camera back, like, they see your eyes and there's so much communication that
• 31:36
  happens there. That's right. That's right. Yeah.
• 31:39
  For me, at an event, I will tell people, like I will start at a group showing
• 31:45
  the magic without the glasses. Like I'll have them just sitting in my top pocket or my pants or whatever.
• 31:50
  Or if I'm wearing them because I'm just committing to wearing them the whole
• 31:53
  time, I still won't film yet. And I'll do it personally. I'll do a trick and
• 31:56
  then I'll say, hey, we're making a video for the events.
• 32:00
  I'm going to film this one. You'll see a little light here, but it's just so
• 32:02
  you're going to see what I see after this.
• 32:04
  And that puts everyone at ease and they already like what's going on because I've done magic.
• 32:09
  And then we're good. But on the street, it's a bit different because you have
• 32:13
  to approach them first, then show the magic, then film.
• 32:16
  And they have to, like, you know, you have to pull them into your world a bit
• 32:19
  heavier. So, like, I know you've tested all different ways of doing it,
• 32:22
  but, like, what now, today, do you find the most effective way to do that?
• 32:25
  Yeah, so the most effective thing that I find, and this could work for anybody,
• 32:29
  it does take, obviously, you know, the confidence of just being maybe,
• 32:34
  I wouldn't say I'm a confident person, but essentially, like,
• 32:37
  first of all, You're looking for people who,
• 32:40
  Look like they're doing nothing That's like the first thing So you want to approach
• 32:44
  people Who it feels like they'd be like Oh yeah something interesting cool Something interesting I'm ready.
• 32:51
  You want that. If you're not approaching those people, then it's going to be hard.
• 32:56
  On my videos, it's like different. I'm trying to like kind of approach all kinds
• 32:59
  of people. But like just generally speaking, if you're just trying to approach
• 33:02
  people, you're looking for people that are either like sitting there on their
• 33:05
  phones in a group. I like this group think thing. Like I almost never approach women.
• 33:11
  I even if there's two women I want to approach, I'll only approach women who
• 33:15
  are in the mix of like men that are there.
• 33:18
  Generally speaking i i will only go to,
• 33:22
  groups of less than three people if the people are interesting or there's something
• 33:27
  about them that draws me to them i won't just like approach two people and ask them to do magic
• 33:32
  you're looking to be in places where people are sitting around and not really
• 33:36
  doing much and talking and hanging out and then the main approach is this here
• 33:39
  i'll i'll do it for you to hopefully help some of your your viewers here we'll
• 33:43
  we'll raise my desk and and get our our little guy here,
• 33:47
  here we go okay oh fuck that's my fan no and that's how you that's how you start
• 33:52
  you drop something and you go fuck here we go yeah yeah so so there's our guy
• 33:57
  here and one thing that i i tend to do is.
• 34:02
  If it's a group of people that i feel like might not be interested i will be
• 34:07
  like oh hey you guys want to do a magic trick,
• 34:10
  And I'll keep walking, right? So I keep walking. So I spread the cards and I keep walking.
• 34:16
  And this is like strangers on the street that are like dispersed.
• 34:21
  So we're like in the middle of like an avenue or something. We're not in a park
• 34:24
  or anything for this. I'll talk about like a park in a second.
• 34:27
  Like this is like real street magic where you're like approaching like a group
• 34:30
  of like four or five strangers who are just like standing on the side of the street.
• 34:33
  Hey, you guys want to do a, you want to do a card trick really quick?
• 34:35
  Anybody, anybody? And you sort of, maybe not anybody, anybody,
• 34:38
  but you sort of like keep walking. The idea is that you're not going fast,
• 34:42
  but you're spreading the cards and you're asking your question.
• 34:45
  And sometimes it helps if you ask something else. That's like part of the cigarette
• 34:48
  thing that I do is I approach people with cigarettes, ask for a lighter, ask for a cigarette.
• 34:52
  So like not just to do a card trick, but something else in there to kind of
• 34:55
  like muddy the waters a little bit.
• 34:57
  But yeah, you're keeping your body moving. And what this does is it sort of
• 35:00
  puts a time limit on their ability to say yes, and it lowers your commitment level.
• 35:05
  So it doesn't feel like you're saying like, like, hello, would you guys like
• 35:08
  to do a card trick? You know what I mean?
• 35:11
  It's more like, oh, do you guys want to do a card trick? And what you'll find
• 35:15
  is that if you have a large group of people, and especially if you pick the
• 35:18
  right people, there will be someone in that group that will think for the rest
• 35:22
  of the group and say, yeah, yeah, yeah, right?
• 35:24
  Or there'll be someone who says no for the rest of the group.
• 35:27
  And in which case, with a no, you just keep walking. You never are trying to
• 35:31
  convince people that they want to experience your magic.
• 35:34
  There are situations where you can win over those people.
• 35:37
  But generally, it's just not where you're trying to be. So you just keep walking,
• 35:40
  right? You go to the next group.
• 35:42
  So now let's talk about like a park and how I might do it in a park.
• 35:47
  So generally with a park, I will have my glasses up on my head like this pointing
• 35:53
  up and I will walk up to a group and I'll say, hey, I'm a magician.
• 35:58
  I go around the city making magic videos of my metaglasses. Do you guys want to make a magic video?
• 36:02
  And that's it so like so essentially you are you are
• 36:07
  portraying yourself as a professional magician without saying it you're speaking
• 36:11
  like the way that we professional magicians know how to control an environment
• 36:14
  and and like you know be in charge of that moment right
• 36:17
  so you're walking up you're explaining to them exactly i'm a magician i go around
• 36:21
  new york city i do magic tricks i film with my meta glasses i've got the meta
• 36:24
  glasses pointing up on top of my head i point to them do you want to make a magic video
• 36:29
  do you guys want to make a magic video right now so the idea being that Because
• 36:32
  you've approached these people who are doing nothing, who are sitting there,
• 36:35
  who are on their phones, and you've presented yourself as the most exciting
• 36:39
  thing that they've seen so far,
• 36:40
  today without even doing anything yet.
• 36:42
  And you're asking them, do you guys want to see a magic video?
• 36:45
  You're not approaching old ladies in their chairs who don't know what metaglasses are.
• 36:49
  You're approaching people who immediately understand what you're saying,
• 36:53
  maybe have seen videos like yours. I mean, this is not what I'm always doing.
• 36:57
  I'm just explaining what I'm doing in this situation.
• 36:59
  And and you're you're baiting them with the saying like hey like do you guys
• 37:03
  want to make a magic video right now?
• 37:05
  And what's crazy is like 50% of people say yes and and sometimes it's more and
• 37:09
  sometimes it's less depending on where you are the environment You know,
• 37:12
  I don't always do this in parks.
• 37:13
  Sometimes i'll do this walking up and down the street but but essentially you are,
• 37:18
  You are approaching groups that would be in your favor generally And then you
• 37:24
  are being full disclosure of everything You've got the glasses pointed up There's no.
• 37:30
  Secret anything And you're asking them And they say yes And you go, great,
• 37:37
  let's do it. And then you go right into it. And I'm not coaching.
• 37:39
  I'm not talking to these people.
• 37:41
  I don't know these people. I've
• 37:42
  literally just turned on the glasses as I started to perform for them.
• 37:46
  So, so generally speaking, like hopefully,
• 37:50
  the, the issue of there being a camera and it affecting everything about the
• 37:57
  magic and how it's filmed and how it's received this issue that magicians have
• 38:01
  been dealing with forever of like, when there's a camera, everything changes.
• 38:04
  Hopefully, you're trying to make your approach as...
• 38:10
  Honest and forthright as you possibly can, such that every single person knows
• 38:16
  exactly what's going on, but you've also used various different things to tip it in your favor.
• 38:22
  And also this group think really helps. Again, if you go up to young people,
• 38:27
  in a group and you say what I just said, the chances of them,
• 38:33
  one of them deciding yes, and having all the other ones be like,
• 38:36
  okay, yeah yeah yeah cool cool cool cool is is very high and also what you'll find is that
• 38:42
  if you approach people where you are very clearly the less dominant factor in
• 38:47
  the interaction then it's a higher likelihood that they say yes like with the police officers
• 38:52
  you know i'm like walking to my train with the second police officer video i
• 38:55
  was like you guys want to see a card trick before i get to my train it's it's
• 38:58
  six police officers and me like they don't think i'm gonna rob them like you know.
• 39:04
  They clearly have the upper hand.
• 39:06
  So generally, if you're approaching groups of people that are more than you,
• 39:10
  that maybe have this sort of gaggle mentality of there's already sort of a dynamic
• 39:15
  going on there that you can sort of insert yourself into and get accepted into, that's kind of,
• 39:21
  my way of approaching.
• 39:22
  Just to say I'm a magician, I go around the city doing card tricks,
• 39:27
  you guys want to make a video right now.
• 39:29
  Dude, that's so perfect. And I'm just curious, this has nothing to do with anything,
• 39:34
  but like I know in America, it's a very much a tip orientated thing.
• 39:39
  Environment do people ever think that you're doing it for a tip so they i mean
• 39:43
  sometimes people think there's money involved or something like that
• 39:46
  but generally speaking i like to spell that just you know with my my language
• 39:50
  and and my vibes like um you know it's obviously never actually about money so it's not,
• 39:55
  that's the real answer but but yeah like no no money no no it's totally free
• 40:00
  like i kind of use the word free because it makes it it i feel like the second
• 40:04
  that you use the word free,
• 40:06
  it turns into like you're at a gig because it's like, oh, it's free.
• 40:10
  I'm going to just entertain you. It's like, well, that's not quite what this
• 40:12
  is about. Like we're about to try and make some weird art right now.
• 40:15
  Like, let's see what happens.
• 40:17
  And if you call it free, it feels like it kind of turns into like,
• 40:20
  oh, well, now I'm here to just entertain you.
• 40:23
  The fact that you say, I'm out here making videos with my metas,
• 40:27
  do you want to make one? That does take away the fact that this is a service.
• 40:31
  Like you're saying, let's create some art.
• 40:33
  Do you want to be involved? So that actually answers that question.
• 40:36
  I was just curious because in Australia, people don't really think much that
• 40:39
  this would be something they have to pay for.
• 40:40
  But in America, different, you know, different mindset, different setup.
• 40:44
  Yeah, I don't think people really think that it's usually something I have to
• 40:46
  pay for. People think I'm scamming them, for sure.
• 40:48
  People think that, like, I have some ulterior motive, which essentially,
• 40:52
  like, you know, I kind of do like I have a very specific thing that I'm trying to create.
• 40:56
  I'm trying to like, you know, in a very honest way, like, you know,
• 41:00
  like steal their inner child.
• 41:02
  You know, I'm trying to I'm trying to go and search inside their soul for that
• 41:06
  thing that they no longer show very often and then pull that out of them and capture it on camera.
• 41:14
  That is the point of the video, you know?
• 41:17
  Yeah, absolutely. So we got a we got a couple of questions in the chat.
• 41:19
  The first question is that these lenses are you able to put your prescription
• 41:23
  ones in there i have no idea no idea you definitely can definitely think yeah
• 41:28
  okay and i have made the vision.
• 41:34
  Have you have you ever tried to perform or record yourself performing at a protest,
• 41:40
  because that could be um no but i'm i'm very aware that one day the glasses
• 41:45
  will get ripped off of my face and stomped on i'm i'm aware of that and and
• 41:49
  that's honestly why i have two pairs it's not the only reason why i have two
• 41:52
  pairs but it's one of the reasons why i have two pairs but yeah it's like sort of,
• 41:55
  you have to be careful it's like it's like i am am very observant and and aware
• 42:01
  of whatever situations i put myself in and like if you're not then you could
• 42:06
  you could get hurt someone could hurt you yeah,
• 42:08
  and and like not because you're at a protest but because you're wearing these
• 42:12
  things that film people and are known for secretly filming people and have all
• 42:18
  sorts of different things attached
• 42:20
  to them all of this pickup artist stuff that is out there and like
• 42:24
  all of this you know doordash like weird videos where they kick the doordash
• 42:29
  like all this stuff that's kind of predatory you can,
• 42:33
  you could find yourself in a weird situation because of the metaglasses they
• 42:36
  could put you there so you want to make sure you're managing that understanding
• 42:40
  with every single person that understands that that's part of it yeah.
• 42:45
  Well you know this this like i've had people who in the middle of a video that they agreed to,
• 42:51
  decide like no no i don't want to be part of i turn that up i don't want you to,
• 42:54
  and it's like oh well not only did you ruin the video but like obviously this
• 42:57
  is not going to be a video now like so you know you have to you have to like
• 43:01
  you know manage people's expectations and you also have to always
• 43:05
  realize that like your video is never as important as someone else's like comfort you know,
• 43:12
  definitely all those things have to be considered and you can't get carried
• 43:16
  away with making a viral video hey let's roll into a gig story because that
• 43:20
  is kind of what we're talking about already but because we want to hear some of the funny situations,
• 43:26
  So Geek Stories is a section of the show where we talk about little magical
• 43:28
  moments either while performing or just while we go about our day-to-day,
• 43:32
  starting this week with apparently an absolute banger from our guest, Harrison Kramer.
• 43:37
  You have an absolute banger story for us? Are we looking for like a good banger or a bad banger?
• 43:42
  You can tell as many as you like, buddy. We have time.
• 43:44
  I'm just going to tell the one.
• 43:47
  It's a banger. It's a bad banger. The worst banger. Okay.
• 43:52
  Public service announcement. So I had, and this is only about a year ago,
• 43:56
  maybe a little bit more than a year ago, the worst gig of my whole life.
• 44:00
  And I'm pretty good at gigging. Like I'm good at going in, making the client
• 44:04
  happy, making the people happy, getting the hell out of it, right?
• 44:06
  So what happened was I started working with an agency and agencies are whack.
• 44:10
  Never work with an agency. I mean, you should, but no.
• 44:13
  And so essentially agencies do is they have clients and they give you those
• 44:17
  clients and they take a cut and whatever.
• 44:19
  But what they don't care about is details, right? And so some of them do, some of them don't.
• 44:23
  But this particular gig, essentially, I had told them, like,
• 44:27
  yeah, I can do a family show, but I don't do, like, little kids' shows.
• 44:30
  Like, yeah, I can do a family show. Great.
• 44:32
  And so they sent me to New Jersey, and I get there, and the lady's like a bitch.
• 44:37
  Like, she's fucking, she's awful. And she, like, I set up my stuff,
• 44:41
  and she comes over. She's like, oh, can I just take a picture really quick?
• 44:44
  Like, she's, like, photographing me, like, standing in front of,
• 44:47
  like, my tables, like, as if I'm doing something wrong. I don't even know who this lady is.
• 44:50
  And then at the last second they're like they move this like her gig is going
• 44:54
  off the road everything's getting messed up with her gig like it's a,
• 44:57
  big fancy investment company like big big not a big gig but like fancy company
• 45:02
  like lots of money just floating around
• 45:04
  and so at the last second they move me because like the band needs a stage and
• 45:08
  like this got all messed up and they bring the band a piece of plywood for the
• 45:11
  stage and the band's like what is going on
• 45:13
  so anyways everything's all messed up with this lady's gig and she hates me
• 45:16
  already when i got there and she's just pissed off about everything.
• 45:19
  And so they put me out on this really windy terrace to do this gig.
• 45:24
  And, and I stand there and everybody's like late and 15 minutes after I'm supposed
• 45:28
  to start, like everybody shows up and it's like,
• 45:31
  three-year-olds and two-year-olds and like, like four-year-olds and,
• 45:36
  and like, like three or four, eight-year-olds and like a six-year-old and then
• 45:39
  one teenager and then like 18 adults.
• 45:43
  And so I'm like, okay, what is this? Like, first of all, I'm supposed to do a family show, but like
• 45:48
  you guys clearly want me to do a show for these children but only 20 of the
• 45:54
  people here are these children and everybody else is not a small child and i don't do
• 46:00
  shows for small children i do like family shows for like everybody i don't so whatever.
• 46:06
  Oh this is like a dramatic this is good this is good therapy no no so so i i
• 46:12
  do the gig and and i'm i'm doing my stuff and i'm getting i used to do a lot
• 46:18
  of shows so i'm getting in there i'm making the kids laugh i'm doing my whole thing,
• 46:21
  and then i i get to what i do in my family shows which i don't do anymore by
• 46:26
  the way family shows or what i did in the family shows but i started doing diablo
• 46:30
  you guys know what diablo is it's like this thing,
• 46:32
  near you i'm pretty good at it i do like two at the same time i like throw them
• 46:35
  like fucking like 80 feet in the air like i really go crazy,
• 46:39
  and so i'm like entertaining the crap out of these people and the wind like
• 46:43
  catches like one of these yo-yos and like brings it forward like 10 feet because
• 46:48
  it's way up in the air, right? And there's a gust of wind up there towards the audience.
• 46:51
  So I run out to try and grab it so it doesn't land on anybody.
• 46:55
  And at the same time, this little two-year-old boy is running out onto the end of the stage.
• 47:01
  Boom we slam into each other and he goes whoom and he falls and he fucking hits
• 47:06
  the back of his head on the cement and i'm like i'm like oh.
• 47:11
  No and so like i can feel that i didn't hit the kid this hard i have i mean,
• 47:17
  i won't like talk about details but i have my own small things running around
• 47:22
  here so i like know how to interact with with that kind of stuff and so i feel
• 47:27
  myself bump into this small child and i immediately know that like i didn't
• 47:30
  hit this kid that hard he did.
• 47:33
  I can i can feel based on the energy that i exerted into him because we ran into each other,
• 47:39
  that he didn't like slam his head but the reality is the kid fell back and he
• 47:42
  hit his head on cement which if you're a parent you know is a very very bad
• 47:46
  thing and can lead to brain bleeds and kids dying days later and things like that
• 47:49
  so like really awful scenario and my my experience is that like oh wow this
• 47:53
  just happened and i know what happened but everybody else just thinks they know
• 47:58
  what happened and they saw
• 47:59
  what happened they don't know about a gust of wind 80 feet in the air they don't
• 48:02
  know that you know jessica moved me to this terrace four minutes before the
• 48:06
  event started they don't know any of this stuff but now this like horrific incident has happened
• 48:11
  so this child cries i like scoop up the child i like i like hold the back of
• 48:15
  the child i look into the child's eyes again i like have my own children so
• 48:19
  i like i i know sort of what i'm doing here
• 48:21
  and i hand the child off to their parents the child's like wailing but i can
• 48:25
  tell the child's not like in pain i can until it's just like a startled thing.
• 48:28
  So I'm like, okay, like this child is going to be okay, but like,
• 48:30
  I don't know that. But now like we've got another 20 minutes of show left.
• 48:34
  So what do you think the next thing in my show is?
• 48:40
  Please don't tell me it's like roulette or something, Russian roulette.
• 48:44
  Oh no He's going to get a prop To bring it to the screen Juggling knives.
• 48:51
  Oh boy Juggling knives I'm just like so.
• 48:56
  I'm just like so out of it So like startled by this Thing that just happened
• 49:01
  That I just go into my next thing And I proceed to do this like absolutely Like
• 49:06
  totally batshit crazy Knife juggling act where they're like going under my legs
• 49:10
  And arms and I'm catching them behind my back And doing all this stuff,
• 49:13
  And I'm standing up on top of this like big grill outside this like complex as I'm doing it.
• 49:18
  I'm putting on a show for these people like that. I'm entertaining the hell out of them.
• 49:22
  But apparently they were not happy. I mean, everybody was happy,
• 49:25
  but there was some lady who really wasn't happy.
• 49:29
  And it makes sense. But it's also like, man, you guys put me here.
• 49:31
  This was just like the worst moment of my life.
• 49:33
  And so anyway, so I finished the show and they all clap. They're all happy.
• 49:37
  The kid who got knocked over is in the front row laughing. I came and gave him
• 49:41
  a hug at the end. I taught them all a card trick.
• 49:43
  I made them all their own card warps. I'm really like trying to like put this in my favor. Right.
• 49:48
  And so then I, I go walk to the client who was not at the show.
• 49:53
  Wasn't at the show. Right. And, and I'm like, Oh yeah, I'm going to leave now.
• 49:58
  Thank you so much. She's like,
• 50:00
  And she proceeds to like absolutely berate me and like offensively describe
• 50:08
  me and berate me more in front of all of these people.
• 50:14
  And I was like, oh, my God. And then and then the only thing I said was she
• 50:18
  was like berating me and she said, do you have anything to say?
• 50:21
  And I was like, OK, thank you.
• 50:25
  I just said like nothing. and then I drove home from the gig and I was like
• 50:30
  really upset I didn't tell my wife I just like went to bed I was just really
• 50:34
  upset for like multiple days about this thing I was never going to work with
• 50:37
  this agency again and like a week later,
• 50:40
  I get an email from the agency that's like hey we were wondering about this
• 50:45
  gig we got some like really crazy feedback about x y and z and they just described
• 50:50
  like the entire situation basically exactly as it happened
• 50:53
  and I wrote them back like the most skating email be like you guys like totally
• 50:56
  set me up like this is insane oh and by the way jessica's a bitch and so,
• 51:01
  and so then about a week later i got an email back basically being like you're right jessica's a bitch.
• 51:09
  So so they were like they're like after looking into this further we agree with
• 51:14
  your with your analysis of the situation.
• 51:19
  So yeah that was my that was my worst gig ever it was the only time that i felt
• 51:23
  in legal peril at a gig and it was really really terrible,
• 51:29
  terrible moment in my magic career and it really like it really hurt me for
• 51:33
  like about a month i i felt like really weird about the situation finally it faded away,
• 51:38
  holy crap and if we've learned anything ladies and gentlemen it's that you don't
• 51:42
  juggle knives after almost killing a child,
• 51:46
  That's true Man I mean If you're gonna perform for kids Of course Every now
• 51:52
  and then A kid's gonna cry Like inevitably At some point One day,
• 51:56
  A kid will cry Right I mean We had Eric LeClaire on And he set off an air cannon
• 52:00
  In a kid's face Like a confetti cannon Oh yeah Like on purpose,
• 52:05
  was so powerful it blew the kids glasses off and you know he's on you know weird
• 52:10
  things always going to happen but kids are pretty robust luckily yeah i no longer will take,
• 52:15
  any kids show of any kind because of that gig and i no longer will juggle my eyes at any of my gigs,
• 52:22
  Okay. Well, I mean, not that you need to now anyway, but.
• 52:25
  I mean, I like to, I'll go out and I'm going to do like street knife juggling
• 52:29
  and see how that goes with the glasses. Like, like imagine just walking,
• 52:32
  walking down like fifth Avenue, like see how long it takes you to get arrested with the glasses.
• 52:40
  Yeah. As you're walking by, you guys want to see a car trick real quick? Yeah. Or no, right?
• 52:46
  While juggling knives. Yeah. Man, what a trip.
• 52:49
  So you've been doing magic you know professionally for like you said like over 10 years and
• 52:54
  now you've got you found this niche in videos that is just people are just craving
• 53:00
  online and you know it's allowed you to do zoom shows and like like well no the,
• 53:06
  zoom shows were before i mean i try and do some shows now but nobody buys tickets
• 53:10
  it's fine but okay and that's interesting i guess that's what i wanted to ask
• 53:13
  you is like how has your career changed or pivoted for,
• 53:17
  making money like do inquiries come in from people seeing these videos like people
• 53:21
  sometimes see these videos and think this is what i need to do to be a full-time
• 53:25
  magician but like what's the reality
• 53:27
  the reality is is that the only reason i can make the videos the way that i
• 53:30
  make them is because i'm taking event magic
• 53:34
  paid event magic and i'm i'm changing it to be a street magic vibe and i'm going
• 53:40
  out and performing it so that the people are like like wow this guy's good like
• 53:44
  there's something really good this is not like a game like this guy really knows what he's doing
• 53:48
  hopefully you know and then also,
• 53:51
  i'm carrying the group the same way that i carry a group at an event to make
• 53:55
  them have fun but i'm performing without the oh.
• 54:01
  That you have so much of the event because you sort of have to like have that
• 54:04
  at an event you can't you know come up to people in an event and be like oh,
• 54:07
  you guys want to see a card trick you know you can't do that in an event it's
• 54:10
  like Holy fuck, this guy's weird.
• 54:12
  You know what I mean? So it's the two things combined. It's the fact that I
• 54:15
  had all of the gigs beforehand that allowed me to learn how to perform. And then...
• 54:21
  And then with the glasses, yeah, like, how has it changed my life?
• 54:25
  So the first thing I'll tell you is that, again, I had 1,000 followers in January.
• 54:31
  And now I have, like, a lot more than that.
• 54:33
  And it has never led to a very fancy good gig. Not any of it.
• 54:39
  And I have over 100,000 on Facebook, almost 200,000 on Instagram.
• 54:45
  Like, YouTube's growing, whatever.
• 54:47
  But like it has not led to one significant good corporate event like I do those but not from that.
• 54:57
  That stream of lead what it leads to a lot of for me and i'm sure i'm playing
• 55:02
  it wrong and that's fine and i'm not really trying to play it any specific way
• 55:05
  i'm just trying to stay happy because it's all sort of happening very fast and,
• 55:08
  be comfortable and whatever's happening and not let anything happen too fast
• 55:12
  but what i do get is like oh like our wedding in napa it's like oh well do you have like,
• 55:18
  a very large amount of money because like otherwise it's like i don't i don't
• 55:21
  really like want to come to your wedding in napa like i can't i literally can't
• 55:25
  come there unless you pay me a very large amount of money.
• 55:27
  So that stops most of these social media inquiries, to be honest.
• 55:31
  It's just like cold in their tracks. You send them a price list and they're like, what? What?
• 55:36
  You know what I mean? So otherwise it's like, yeah, there's monetizations on
• 55:41
  the platforms. You know, I don't really want to get into specifics of that and
• 55:44
  like how that works for me and what's going on there.
• 55:47
  But those are definitely real things that exist.
• 55:51
  And that is a good thing. But I would say that it's hard to – maybe it's not
• 55:58
  hard. I mean, there's so many people making so many different kinds of videos
• 56:00
  that you can do whatever and maybe somehow get monetized on various different platforms.
• 56:05
  But the monetization on any of the platforms is not like paying for my life.
• 56:11
  No, not even close to that. I mean, we had a few years ago, we had Tom Elderfield
• 56:17
  on and he was at the time currently in,
• 56:20
  like Mexico filming content for Julius Dean and they had a private chef and
• 56:26
  they're in a mansion and he's explaining that like the content we're making
• 56:30
  is paying for all this stuff.
• 56:31
  So obviously they're in a top percentile that have done it for decades,
• 56:35
  but they're like, you know, this is a real thing.
• 56:38
  You just got to take it seriously and it's a consistency and a, you know.
• 56:42
  Doing it mindfully that this is the reason i'm doing it totally but but also,
• 56:47
  you're beholden to like i think about this constantly the idea that like,
• 56:52
  you know i'm now making videos for mark zuckerberg and that means that things
• 56:58
  that happen in my life could happen because of mark zuckerberg and there's nothing
• 57:02
  that i want to happen in my life because of mark zuckerberg,
• 57:06
  so so i have to be like conscious of what i'm trying to do
• 57:12
  with the videos and and how i'm letting these platforms and views and likes
• 57:17
  and comments which again don't actually do anything in themselves at all,
• 57:23
  how i let them affect my existence and and the way that i live my life and the
• 57:27
  things that i do like the last thing i want is to be like oh i'm gonna go see
• 57:30
  all these cops watches to make a video and then like end up in jail you know
• 57:33
  hey that'll be stupid right you know,
• 57:36
  so so it's like you have to have to be very conscious that and that's what i'm
• 57:39
  like really trying to do is like you know i make the videos and i try and keep
• 57:43
  the videos as like uplifting and positive as possible present everybody in the videos,
• 57:48
  in as positive a light as i can and sometimes i don't post videos because there's
• 57:53
  things in the videos that would be all the comments would be about that and
• 57:56
  it's just like this video i can't do it it doesn't this video doesn't exist
• 57:59
  it gets deleted whatever it doesn't get deleted but it's never going to get seen.
• 58:02
  Because I want to be able to sleep at night. I have to be able to sleep at night.
• 58:05
  None of this is as important as me being able to go upstairs and relax on the
• 58:10
  couch a little bit and do something other than card tricks or whatever.
• 58:14
  But if I'm upstairs checking my phone because I'm in the argument with somebody
• 58:17
  on the internet about something, that's not good. So I don't respond to any
• 58:21
  of the comments for the most part.
• 58:23
  I don't interact with any of the people. I get weird emails.
• 58:25
  I don't respond to any of those.
• 58:27
  I don't interact with any of these people. Like I know there's some people who
• 58:29
  are on the internet, like maybe respond to all their comments and things like,
• 58:33
  or some of their comments.
• 58:34
  I try to just like not touch any of it so that I can just press play on the
• 58:39
  glasses, press stop on the glasses, go to my phone.
• 58:44
  Choose a starting point, choosing ending point, sometimes cut out something
• 58:47
  weird that someone said or some trick that I fucked up in the middle.
• 58:50
  But for the most part, provide as much context as possible with a start and
• 58:54
  a finish, no subtitles, no text over it, nothing. Just a video to just keep
• 59:00
  my life as simple as possible.
• 59:03
  And that's the same reason I'm sort of doing just the same card trick.
• 59:06
  It's like, yeah, it's the card trick that I like to do and it's what I do at
• 59:08
  a lot of things, but I do lots of other magic.
• 59:11
  It's the idea that by doing just the card tricks, not ringing in any gimmicks,
• 59:15
  not finishing with Omnideck, not using any sort of sharpies or boxes or anything
• 59:20
  like this, it allows it to remain so simple. It's like, do you want to do a card trick.
• 59:25
  Can I create what I'm trying to create right now with these glasses in one take
• 59:28
  with you guys right now with just these cards?
• 59:31
  And if I can't, then you're never going to see it.
• 59:34
  And sometimes I do good videos. Sometimes I do bad videos. Sometimes I post
• 59:37
  videos and I delete them. It's okay to change your mind.
• 59:40
  It's okay to post the video and be like, ah, this is actually not that good.
• 59:44
  I don't like this. I'm going to delete this.
• 59:45
  It's okay to not post the video and then realize later that,
• 59:49
  ah, it's a pretty good video actually. I'll post this one.
• 59:52
  And it's okay to change your mind in all of these things because it's new to
• 59:55
  all of us but I think like my main goals with the videos is,
• 1:00:00
  keep my life simple portray as many people as possible in the best possible light,
• 1:00:05
  possible i've had people reach out to me and tell me to take videos down which
• 1:00:07
  i've done even though they agreed to the videos you know and and the reality
• 1:00:11
  is is that like if there's some construction worker who doesn't feel comfortable
• 1:00:15
  having two million views i can totally understand that you know i get it,
• 1:00:20
  yeah that's interesting all those things you have to deal with once there's
• 1:00:23
  that much attention on it well the thing is is like there's attention but like
• 1:00:28
  realistically guys it's like,
• 1:00:30
  I'm here in my basement and nobody talks to me and I just see these numbers on my phone I.
• 1:00:34
  I I press the plus sign on instagram and I upload the video and then I wait
• 1:00:38
  like 45 minutes and I come back downstairs and I look at it and it has like
• 1:00:42
  116 views and I'm like or 116 likes and I'm like oh this is shit and I have to delete it
• 1:00:46
  because I'm like I'm like that's a good video why is it only getting 116 likes
• 1:00:50
  I should do something different and I don't want to feel like that I don't want
• 1:00:53
  to be like oh my videos are judged
• 1:00:55
  by my likes because they're not they shouldn't be and most of the time
• 1:00:58
  i i used to use trial reels like you know you guys know what trial reels are
• 1:01:02
  where you like post and your audience can see it's a fake thing really it's
• 1:01:05
  just allowing you to get over the tiny percentage of people that know you which your videos aren't for
• 1:01:10
  so that you can reach all of these people but realistically instagram is showing
• 1:01:13
  your trial reel to all the people that you don't want to see it 100
• 1:01:16
  but like i used to use the trial reels a lot and that kind of helped me like
• 1:01:20
  get over this hump of like oh what do other magicians and people think of me
• 1:01:22
  and like, are my videos actually any good X, Y, or Z?
• 1:01:25
  But now because of the feedback from the phone, which by the way,
• 1:01:31
  the worst thing ever is looking at your phone all the time. It's awful.
• 1:01:35
  But the feedback from the people on the internet that are like,
• 1:01:37
  hey, bro, like you're pretty good at this stuff.
• 1:01:40
  That has allowed me to realize like, oh, like, I'm doing something.
• 1:01:44
  I'm doing something. So now when I have like a banger video and I'm looking
• 1:01:48
  at it and I'm like, this is this is nice or like or or this is not amazing.
• 1:01:54
  Like that switch, you can totally feel it. You can see it. You can feel it. But she doesn't notice.
• 1:01:59
  And the idea that she doesn't notice is interesting. So I'm going to post it anyway.
• 1:02:02
  Even though my magic is shitty, there's still something in it that's interesting
• 1:02:06
  enough that I'm going to post it and I'm not going to care what other people think. And I feel like.
• 1:02:12
  Over time, I've gotten to the point where now I don't, I don't need trial reels
• 1:02:16
  because it's like, is this good or not?
• 1:02:19
  I don't care what they think. And I think that as like, as I don't like to call
• 1:02:24
  myself like a creator, because even though I am right now, I guess I just make, I just make videos.
• 1:02:27
  I press play and press stop. It's like you want, you want to get to the point
• 1:02:32
  where you know what you like and you know what's good.
• 1:02:36
  And every once in a while, there's something that you missed in one of your
• 1:02:38
  videos and it comes up in the comments. You're like, oh, fuck,
• 1:02:40
  never mind. I'll delete that shit.
• 1:02:42
  But like you know for the most part you watch your own videos and you're like
• 1:02:45
  this is good or this is bad and to be able to have that sense is good.
• 1:02:50
  Yeah dude i can't wait to have you back you know in a month when you now have
• 1:02:55
  a million followers yeah we can get a different perspective on this but like
• 1:02:59
  this has flown by so fast and i'm so glad you had so much to share with us and
• 1:03:03
  and the audience already i can tell,
• 1:03:05
  are all going off to buy their metas which is just it's so great to see it should
• 1:03:09
  it should you should yeah it's a really it's a it's just such a great way,
• 1:03:14
  to capture the way that you interact with people and that's part of what it
• 1:03:18
  is is like i mean i don't know if this is exactly true and you guys can tell
• 1:03:21
  me from you two of you who have used metaglasses but essentially it's allowing,
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  the viewers,
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  like yes it does certain things for the magic and it makes the viewers miss
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  parts of the magic that you want them to miss which is interesting But what
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  it's really doing is it's allowing your viewers,
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  To feel what it's like to stare into someone's eyes as you and how that person
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  stares back at you So when they watch those videos,
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  it's not that they get to feel like someone else like they don't know me They
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  don't know exactly how I am but but they get to like.
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  Assume the position of a professional magician for a moment and kind of feel
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  what it feels like to have people's eyes and attention interact with you in that way.
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  And that is the draw that I think people feel when they watch the videos beyond
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  the magic tricks themselves is that like, like, wow, like I want to be able
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  to connect with people like this.
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  And believe me, I don't post the ones where I don't connect with the people.
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  So nobody sees them. So they think that I connect with everybody, which I don't, you know?
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  So yeah, there you go. Yeah. Yeah. You're getting to share this intimate moment
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  with people that, that normally people don't get to experience with people they know already.
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  They don't get to have that such a connection that, that they get to see that
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  kind of response. You know, it's like while we watch videos of people giving
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  away money to people, we don't get to see that reaction of someone in real life
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  and watching it through your eyes is beautiful.
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  But like, I know you guys are, we're closing down here, but just really quickly,
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  like with the, you just mentioned videos of giving money away to people.
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  I find, generally speaking, in almost all circumstances, that those kind of videos are predatory.
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  Because essentially, you are using money to elicit a specific,
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  either one that you want or one that you don't know what it's going to be, reaction.
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  You're using money as an incentive that most people, especially the people who
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  are usually in these videos.
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  I have a trouble resisting because of life, right?
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  You're using that to elicit an emotional response from them.
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  And you're using that emotional response.
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  And there's a difference between using money and using something beautiful,
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  a skill, a deck of cards, because it's just, yeah, there's just something predatory
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  about including money in these videos.
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  And like, I mean, I don't want to hate on Drake, but when like Drake went around
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  and handed out money in, in wherever he was when he did that video.
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  Like I found that to be like a very distasteful video because you're giving
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  people $10,000, which is like, it's just such a, a, a, a disbalance of the seesaw.
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  It's like, I don't appreciate when Mr. Beast does this. And he,
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  he has someone in 15 seconds changed the entire course of their life.
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  Like the emotional damage that something like that can do to someone is pretty crazy.
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  Like if you think that you can win a Ferrari, if you press the green button
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  instead of the red button, but you don't know which one's the red button and
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  which one's the green button and you press the red button instead and you don't
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  win the Ferrari and that's real and that's a real thing that happened.
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  Like that can hurt someone. You can hurt someone with that. And with Mr.
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  Beast, it's all just views and money and whatever.
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  And he doesn't see that.
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  Now you're hurting some of these people. I mean, look, if you give me a million
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  dollars, I will cry on demand.
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  I will do whatever you want, okay? I'm not going to complain that you gave me
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  money, but I know what you're talking about.
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  Obviously, when they film beast games and stuff, they have to be psychologically
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  profiled and checked and given care. And obviously, yeah, it's a real responsibility.
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  And so, you know, we could chat for a whole other hour on that,
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  right? And there's a lot of interesting aspects to when you're filming.
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  You know, there's a transaction. that you're getting from them if you're doing
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  all that stuff. But we do want to have you back again. And what we want to do
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  as well is have a trio of you and Adam Axford and myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  To talk about all this stuff from all different perspectives as we all try different
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  things. And it's so interesting because you're doing totally different things
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  than I'm doing. Adam's doing totally different things than I'm doing.
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  And I see that you're still exploring other cameras other than the Metaglasses
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  combined with the Metaglasses. So you're doing all sorts. And you got the mirror
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  videos like, and I don't even think you've really gone out there and done it yet, to be honest, Josh.
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  Like, I know that you've gone out there and done it, but I don't think that
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  you've like, you put the glasses on and went out with the strangers the way that me and Adam have.
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  I 100% you're right. Yeah, I do it at gigs. I do it in a safe place where it's easy.
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  And what I do in street magic, it's because I'm there with someone else filming
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  and there's no pressure. But, but you know what? I'm in a commit to,
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  to trying that. I know this week I have a bit more time.
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  It's a very different scenario. Yeah. I mean, personally, I have to decide if that is...
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  Like part of my future that
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  i that will help me get me there and if i'll enjoy it so i have to try it a
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  bunch and you can also just not post them too it's totally fine that's true
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  you know what i'm gonna do it i'm just gonna show you so you can see you don't
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  have to show me show anybody yeah show me whatever but yeah that's
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  the nice thing about the meta glasses is like remember you don't have to post
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  it it doesn't matter it's all vanity,
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  none of it actually is gonna lead to your success.
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  Yeah. Yeah. I love it. Look, all of Harrison's links are below.
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  Go follow him, go book him and pay him a ton of money to go to your wedding. All right.
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  Nick, he's in America, he's going to be at Magic Live. Go hunt him down and.
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  Show him your latest ambitious card routine.
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  And if you're a professional magician, beg him to be on the podcast,
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  go see him and hound him and find him. Okay.
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  For me, I'm still in Australia, but you can see me perform this week at the
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  Theatre of Magic. I know there's still some tickets left.
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  And guys, we're just having fun doing magic. So we're going to end our episode
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  in the way we always do, which is by giving our guest the final word.
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  Oh my goodness. All right. So I'm obviously Harrison Kramer.
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  You've listened to this whole thing with me. I'm a magician.
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  I make these meta glasses videos for the internet.
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  And what I would say is that I think that the reason why my videos have had
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  attention on the internet is because the magic is simple.
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  Name a card. I find it. Name a card. Name a number. The card is at the number.
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  There's no stories. There's no like long convoluted, you know, presentations.
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  That's the first thing. Simple. The second thing is, is that I'm approaching
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  strangers. So there's this sort of cold to hot thing that's going on where they're
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  a completely cold audience.
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  And then you're seeing me warm them up.
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  And getting to see that journey can have a lot of different,
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  you know, like ebbs and flows is really interesting.
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  And I think that is part of the reason why the videos do well is because it is a clearly a stranger.
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  They're clearly not acting and you get to see them warm up to me.
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  And then the final thing is that I will say is that like.
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  Every single one of my videos, hopefully, in the majority of circumstances,
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  has a sort of like wholesome feel to it. I am trying to uplift people.
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  I'm trying to make people happy and smile and feel like a child.
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  I'm not trying to pick up girls.
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  I'm not trying to objectify anybody. I'm not trying to, you know,
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  have any sort of, you know, like anything in the videos that's not simply about
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  treating people like humans and uplifting them and then capturing that for people to see.
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  It's hopefully a happy interaction with the people.
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  It's hopefully an intelligent interaction with the people. We're all playing to our best sides.
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  And that is what I'm trying to capture. And so those are the things that I think
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  make the videos interesting and why people watch them on the internet.
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  If you want to make videos yourself that people watch on the internet,
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  which, again, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just sort of figuring this out. It's simple.
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  You're seeing uncut video of me going from completely cold to warm and exuberant.
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  And the last thing is, is that we are going for a fully positive,
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  uplifting video. We are not rizzing.
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  We are not, you know, doing any of that stuff.
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  We are there to entertain the people. It can have a vibe, but it is about nothing
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  more than bringing vibes to them, to me, and to hopefully the viewers on the
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  internet if people see that video.
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  So I think those are the keys to whatever it is that I'm doing.
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  Like, yes, obviously the techniques that I'm using are mildly interesting,
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  but there are thousands of magicians in the world that do the exact same thing as me.
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  But maybe they don't have the metaglasses, and maybe they don't have the same
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  perspective from start to finish as I do, and maybe my videos will fall off
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  soon. So it doesn't matter as long as you're making people happy and...
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  And uplifted and feeling good, then you're in the right place.
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  Make sure you can sleep at night, right? That's, I think, the most important thing.
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  So that's my last word about sort of why I think that the magic videos that
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  I'm making on the internet are sort of getting attention, and maybe that helps
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  you. So there you go. That's me, Harrison Kramer.
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  Thanks for listening. It's time for us to disappear now. Disappear now.
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  But we'll see you again on the next episode. of the Magic Guys.