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What the Reagan Movie Didn't Say About AIDS · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show, the world's most trusted conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: theory podcast, with your hosts Adam Todd Brown and Olivia Hidar.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 2: Adam Todd Brown joining me as co host this week,
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  Speaker 2: Connor mc spadden's here.
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  Speaker 3: How's it going, Hello, chums?
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  Speaker 2: Are you excited to talk about Ronald Reagan again?
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  Speaker 3: You know, Adam, when you told me that we're going
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  Speaker 3: to be discussing Ronald Reagan in the Age Crisis, I thought,
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  Speaker 3: who better than two straight white men to get to
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  Speaker 3: the bottom of this, because who better than the people
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  Speaker 3: that perpetrated it to get into the minds of the
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  Speaker 3: villains behind this scandal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're covering this in the exact same way the
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  Speaker 2: Reagan administration did, only the opinions of straight white dudes,
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  Speaker 2: that's all.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm bringing a perspective that only the man with
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  Speaker 3: the white devil whispering on his shoulder can bring. You. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's no put down to any of the great black
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  Speaker 3: capitalists of history, and disrespect to Herman Kane and the like,
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  Speaker 3: but sometimes oppression, obfuscation, it's a white man's job. Let's
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  Speaker 3: be honest.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't want to put anyone else out. This
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  Speaker 2: is a hard job.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: Last time Connor was on, I know, we said we
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  Speaker 2: were going to keep talking about the Iran contra scandal
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  Speaker 2: and we'll probably get back to that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh but the Gipper was just too busy, was he?
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  Speaker 2: Adam, Yeah, I.
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  Speaker 3: Was thinking before we logged on. Nothing sounds more like
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  Speaker 3: obscure gay slanging that I haven't heard of than Gipper
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  Speaker 3: or gippy. If I didn't know that docking was called
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  Speaker 3: docking and you told me it was called gipping, I'd
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  Speaker 3: be like, yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: I want to talk about Reagan and the AIDS crisis
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  Speaker 2: because I went through a personal trauma last week in
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  Speaker 2: that I had to go see the Reagan movie opening
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  Speaker 2: day for a podcast, and I ended up watching it
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  Speaker 2: with a crowdfull of eighty plus year old Republicans who
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  Speaker 2: were hooting and hollering like tweens at a Taylor Swift concert.
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  Speaker 2: It was fucking gross. I hated it.
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  Speaker 3: This sounds like a complete nightmare the hey geographies of anything.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure if you watched the Hillary Clinton Hulu series
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  Speaker 3: screening at the Pasadena Civic Center or whatever, the fuck
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  Speaker 3: with a bunch of Democrat the blue bloods. It would
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  Speaker 3: be absolutely ghastly as well. You need a anchor in
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  Speaker 3: your irony universe. I would and saw the moving in
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  Speaker 3: those Safe Spaces, which is made by the Titan Mind
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  Speaker 3: duo of Dennis Frager and Adam Corolla, which was essentially
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  Speaker 3: you get off my lawn. You can't say nothing, no
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  Speaker 3: more of the motion picture. And it was a blast
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  Speaker 3: because we got so as fuck and there was three
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  Speaker 3: people there and two of them were me and my
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  Speaker 3: buddy Ramsey. Now without that, it's just a reminder of
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  Speaker 3: how awful the world is, you know, the limited people's
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  Speaker 3: perspectives are, and how alone you are and everything. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's creepy as fuck. It's like being in a horror movie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was alarming. And it turned into kind of
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  Speaker 2: a shouting match where every once in a while they
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  Speaker 2: would cheer for something and then something factually inaccurate would
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  Speaker 2: happen and I would shout at the crowd. At one point,
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  Speaker 2: they were talking about Reagan trading hostages for arms, and
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  Speaker 2: it said, but he didn't do it, and I just
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  Speaker 2: shouted out, yeah he did. And there was also a
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  Speaker 2: moment where Reagan and Gorbachev were signing the Salt Treaty
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  Speaker 2: and they like leaned into shake hands, and I just
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  Speaker 2: went kiss.
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  Speaker 3: It.
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  Speaker 2: Good, good, good times. But that movie have you ever seen?
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  Speaker 2: I know this is the obvious comparison, but I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: make it anyway. Have you seen the Tupac movie All
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  Speaker 2: Eyes on Me?
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  Speaker 3: The obvious comparison to the new Real Reagan movie is,
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  Speaker 3: of course the Tupaca You No, I haven't. Actually, I'm
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  Speaker 3: ashamed to say it is garbage.
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  Speaker 2: It is essentially a Wikipedia page about Tupac because, oh no,
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  Speaker 2: they try to get every fucking thing that happened in
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  Speaker 2: his life in this ninety minute span.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, we got the six white people who work
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  Speaker 3: in this channel to tell us everything they know about Tupac.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and what ends up happening is they just gloss
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  Speaker 2: over everything, Like I would watch a whole movie about
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  Speaker 2: Tupac getting shot in that recording studio in New York.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I looked into that one a lot, and
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  Speaker 3: it just seems to be just a giant, awful, awful
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  Speaker 3: misunderstanding kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this Reagan movie is a lot like that in
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  Speaker 2: and that they gloss over pretty much everything.
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  Speaker 3: Wikipedia page the movie.
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  Speaker 2: It really is. But it's more than that. It's propaganda.
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  Speaker 2: For one thing, this is just state propaganda.
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  Speaker 3: Reagan and Gorbachow totally kissed. Don't believe the lies.
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  Speaker 2: And I've tweeted this. I said it on a podcast
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  Speaker 2: last week. The Reagan movie is Unamerican as fuck because
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  Speaker 2: running throughout the whole movie is these constant suggestions that
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  Speaker 2: protesters are part of what's wrong with this country. Motherfucker,
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  Speaker 2: the government is what's wrong with this country. Protesters protested.
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  Speaker 2: He keeps hitting on protesters, and it was one of
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  Speaker 2: the things the crowd cheered the hardest for.
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  Speaker 3: You know, people have those shirts. It's like the First
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  Speaker 3: Pride was a riot. I'm surprised that the libertarian annoying
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  Speaker 3: T shirt market hasn't gone with This country was a protest,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Boston T Party, DoD gifts, what the fuck?
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  Speaker 3: And sure, I guess I'd try to seek alternate viewpoints
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  Speaker 3: of history so much I can sort of forget that
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  Speaker 3: the main version a lot of times is the villain
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  Speaker 3: is the good guy, Like yeah, oh yeah, I forgot
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  Speaker 3: when you tell the story, that's the bad guys. The
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  Speaker 3: dude at Kent State he said we should all get
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  Speaker 3: along my bad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Reagan movie is fucking chock full of that.
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  Speaker 2: I did forget one thing though, that I would be
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  Speaker 2: remiss if I did not mention. I'm going to try
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  Speaker 2: and get one of the filmmakers on the podcast. But
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  Speaker 2: and apparently this didn't happen everywhere that the Reagan movie
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  Speaker 2: was shown, but it did happen at my screening. There
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  Speaker 2: was a trailer for a documentary about the theory that
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  Speaker 2: Abraham Lincoln was gay.
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  Speaker 3: Yo.
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  Speaker 2: It's called Lover of Men and Man the Republicans. I
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  Speaker 2: hated that shit.
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  Speaker 3: They were this fucking rock so hard.
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  Speaker 2: I told I was so fucking psyched, especially when the
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  Speaker 2: title card popped up a lover of men. Oh I
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  Speaker 2: berely laughed.
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  Speaker 3: Good a room fuless like a sitcom arrested development. Writers
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  Speaker 3: couldn't come up with a reveal that lover of men.
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  Speaker 3: The two thousand and six version of this was when
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  Speaker 3: someone asked George W. Bush if he saw Broke Back Mount,
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  Speaker 3: and everyone was like, Wow, that reporter is punk rock,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like he brought up to gay think to
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  Speaker 3: the fucking president. Oh fuck, I love that. I wrote
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  Speaker 3: a show called Historical Rosa on Netflix, which is kind
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  Speaker 3: of good, and there's an episode of Abraham Lincoln. We
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  Speaker 3: actually had an Abraham Lincoln like professor come in to
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  Speaker 3: consult on the show and make sure it was accurate,
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  Speaker 3: and he was fucking annoying, but he had tolstally interesting
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  Speaker 3: things and we read a lot about I think it's
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  Speaker 3: mostly the stems around the guy named Joshua Snead who
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  Speaker 3: was like business partners with in him saying we shared
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  Speaker 3: a lovely evening together once, and it's like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe me and Adam just went on a trip and
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  Speaker 3: we played cards and we watched showtime and went to bed.
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  Speaker 3: It was a lovely evening. I mean, there's nothing gay
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  Speaker 3: about it. Seemed a little blown out of proportion to me,
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  Speaker 3: but the fact that it had bummed out of which
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  Speaker 3: of those people in this role.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm interested to see if that's all there
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  Speaker 2: is too and how they make that into a full documentary.
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  Speaker 2: I guess we'll find out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it it's entirely possible that there's way
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  Speaker 3: more to it than I realized, But I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: We took the research on that show pretty seriously. We
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  Speaker 3: had a lot of people looking into it and believe me,
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  Speaker 3: with a roomful of comedy writers, we were begging for
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  Speaker 3: him to be gayer than he was. We had a
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  Speaker 3: bit where Guy Brandon came on and played the guy,
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  Speaker 3: but it was cut from the show. I think his
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  Speaker 3: bit was actually kind of alluding to that I was
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  Speaker 3: like a little underblown or whatever. But their one line
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  Speaker 3: was like, well, we packed it up in the morning
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  Speaker 3: and humped it all the way to Kentucky. Nice a
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  Speaker 3: deleted scene for a TV show you haven't seen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I also really hate that this movie co ops
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  Speaker 2: the Genesis song Land of Confusion.
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  Speaker 3: You misinterpret movies and songs from the eighties. Adam's Gonna
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  Speaker 3: find You and your fucking crimes will be addressed.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what bothers me here is this song was specifically
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  Speaker 2: about Reagan being a fucking problem, and it's got a
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  Speaker 2: really famous video where it's puppets of Nancy Reagan and
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  Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan. That's the whole video. It was a super
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  Speaker 2: anti Reagan song, and the way it plays in this
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  Speaker 2: movie makes it seem like it's a song about needing
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  Speaker 2: someone like Ronald Reagan to take over the country. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: because they play it over this montage of his scandals.
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  Speaker 2: They cover Reagan's scandals in the span of a Genesis song.
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  Speaker 2: They're just like, this happened, this happened, this happened, this happened,
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  Speaker 2: and they.
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  Speaker 3: Brush over it and make the Genesis song into the
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  Speaker 3: justification well we needed Reagan to take over.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, when you listen to that song in that context,
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  Speaker 2: it's like flips it on its head and makes it
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  Speaker 2: seem like that as a song about needing a strong,
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  Speaker 2: powerful leader like Ronald Reagan. That is not what that
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  Speaker 2: fucking song is about. And what really b bothered me
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  Speaker 2: about that scene and the reason we're doing this episode
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  Speaker 2: today is they're doing this montage of all his scandals.
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  Speaker 2: The whole energy is, oh, people were mad at Ronald Reagan, why.
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  Speaker 3: He was getting too much stuff done, and some pussies got.
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  Speaker 2: Kinda yeah, that was kind of the tone. And one
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  Speaker 2: of the things that happens during that montage is they
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  Speaker 2: put up the statistic about how many people died of
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  Speaker 2: AIDS under Ronald Reagan, and I shit you not, it
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  Speaker 2: seems like they're bragging more than criticizing.
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  Speaker 3: Oh God, yeah, sure.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like they were saying, look at the fucking
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  Speaker 2: numbers this guy put up weren't those the days when
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  Speaker 2: we could just not care about gay people and let
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  Speaker 2: them die, or.
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  Speaker 3: Could let them slowly matriculate from society through disease.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I honestly think that was the point, because it's
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  Speaker 2: the only moment where they call out a specific negative
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  Speaker 2: thing about.
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  Speaker 3: Rad get more taxes and killed more gay and anybody
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  Speaker 3: that they ever did it.
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  Speaker 2: And I do believe it said specifically that this many
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  Speaker 2: gay people died, and not everyone who had AIDS was gay.
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  Speaker 2: But you got to inflate those numbers. If you want
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  Speaker 2: to get the conservatives in the crowd excited, you should go.
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  Speaker 3: Up to a bunch of neo Nazis and you tell
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  Speaker 3: him that you just killed two pole Acts and a Gypsy.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure they'll be happy for you, but it's not
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  Speaker 3: as good as three Jews exactly.
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  Speaker 2: So I want to talk about Reagan and the AIDS crisis.
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  Speaker 2: I know I've mentioned it before, but we've never done
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  Speaker 2: a whole episode on it. There's a really good short
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  Speaker 2: documentary out there called When AIDS Was Funny. It's made
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  Speaker 2: by a guy named Scott Kalonico, who I know. I've
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  Speaker 2: worked with him before. He is weirdly the guy who
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  Speaker 2: coined the phrase manic pixie dream girl.
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  Speaker 3: Wow. Yes, just a nice feather in your cap. The
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  Speaker 3: only phrase we ever coined was Elvis Truther.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, and that phrase still applies to me.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I see you here.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah. It's a good documentary if you can find it.
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  Speaker 2: It's a short documentary, so I don't think it's on
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  Speaker 2: the streaming services, but I'm sure it's on YouTube. And
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  Speaker 2: it covers at least the first part of the aid scandal,
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  Speaker 2: which is when AIDS was first becoming a thing, and
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  Speaker 2: one reporter in particular kept asking the White House about AIDS,
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  Speaker 2: and they were just like, why are you asking? Are
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  Speaker 2: you gay?
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  Speaker 3: That's your first response to, like, I don't know. One
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  Speaker 3: of the biggest humanitarian crises of the twentieth century, a
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  Speaker 3: century not devoid of major humanitarian crises. I would say,
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  Speaker 3: it's sad.
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  Speaker 2: It's fucking sad to watch.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to find the exact quote. It reminds me
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  Speaker 3: very much of Are you familiar with Nardwar?
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  Speaker 2: No?
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: Well, never mind, what is Nardwar? If you like punk
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: rock music or hip hop, go watch any Nardwar interview
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  Speaker 3: with Snoop Dogg or Jelly Opra and enjoy the next
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  Speaker 3: twelve hours of YouTube clips because it's gonna be the
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  Speaker 3: greatest thing you've ever seen in your life. But he's
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  Speaker 3: talking to the Prime Minister of Canada and he's like,
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  Speaker 3: these protesters were maced, they were pepper spray. What do
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  Speaker 3: you have to say about this fleet brutality? And the
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  Speaker 3: Prime Minister's like me, I'd like to put Petter on
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  Speaker 3: my stake. He literally brushes it off in the most
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  Speaker 3: unbuddy evil way possible. This is what people in power do,
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  Speaker 3: you know. They're like, what, you're fucking gay for even
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  Speaker 3: caring about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. There's two exchanges that happen during White House Press
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  Speaker 2: conferences between White House Press Secretary Larry Speaks, which what
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  Speaker 2: a great fucking name for a press secretary.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god. That his ideal Remember those shoes. Healey's
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  Speaker 3: that you had a little wheel in the heel of
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: the shoe that you could take out so you can
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  Speaker 3: get a little running start and you can go for
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  Speaker 3: a little cruise on your little Healey wheelies. That was
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  Speaker 3: inmitted by guy named like Richard Healy. That was just
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  Speaker 3: his fucking name, no creativity. It's like a great name,
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  Speaker 3: like it's even if you spend two thousand dollars paying
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of riders come up with good nameswer and
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  Speaker 3: shoes with wheels and the heels, he'd probably come to Heally's.
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  Speaker 3: But that just was the fuker's name. That's great, Smart
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  Speaker 3: and Final. The store was started by a stud by
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  Speaker 3: mister smart and a mister Final. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I found that out at a comedy show not too
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  Speaker 2: long ago. I think it was Andy Peters has a
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  Speaker 2: bit about that. I had no fucking idea.
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  Speaker 3: Motherfucker's taking my fun facts.
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  Speaker 2: Plagure isn't so these exchanges between Larry Speaks, who is
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  Speaker 2: White House Press Secretary, and a reporter named Lester Consolving.
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  Speaker 2: What's interesting about Lester is he was personally opposed to
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  Speaker 2: homosexuality as a moral thing. But I feel like we
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  Speaker 2: really were living in a different time at this point
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  Speaker 2: where you could be a person who on moral grounds
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  Speaker 2: as opposed to homosexuality while at the same time holding
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  Speaker 2: the belief that it doesn't mean they should die. They
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  Speaker 2: are still people who deserve to be protected. And that
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  Speaker 2: was Lester Kinsolving's whole thing. He was like, I'm not gay,
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  Speaker 2: I don't fucking approve of it. But you can't just
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  Speaker 2: let people die the way you're letting people die. And
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  Speaker 2: what's so alarming about these exchanges is they're exactly the same.
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  Speaker 2: Lester Consolving asks a question and then Larry speaks basically
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  Speaker 2: implies that he's gay, and everyone starts laughing. This happened
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  Speaker 2: twice two years apart. Happened once in nineteen eighty two,
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  Speaker 2: and then two full years of the White House doing
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  Speaker 2: nothing about AIDS, and then they have the same exchange
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty four. And I'll play them right now.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the nineteen eighty two recording, Lauri, because.
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  Speaker 4: The President have any reactions with the announce from the
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  Speaker 4: Center for Disease Control of Atlanta that AIDS is.
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  Speaker 3: Now an epidemic in over six hundred cases. Heard him,
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  Speaker 3: it's known as gay plague.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's a pretty serious thing that one and
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  Speaker 4: every three people that get this have died.
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  Speaker 3: And I wondered if the president of the world I
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  Speaker 3: don't have it?
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  Speaker 5: Are you?
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  Speaker 1: Do you?
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  Speaker 3: You don't have it? Well, I'm relieved you're that, do you?
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  Speaker 3: You didn't answer my question? How do you know the
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  Speaker 3: President the White House looks on this as a great job.
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  Speaker 5: No, I don't know anything about it, Leinsters.
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  Speaker 4: Does anybody in the White House know about this epidemic?
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  Speaker 3: La?
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  Speaker 5: I don't think so. I don't think it's been any
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  Speaker 5: There's been no personal experience here, Lester.
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  Speaker 3: No, I mean about you.
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  Speaker 5: Doctor checked thoroughly with doctor Rugy this morning. He's had no,
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  Speaker 5: no patience suffered from a I, d S or whatever
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  Speaker 5: it is, doesn't have I didn't say that, didn't I
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  Speaker 5: thought I heard you in the State Department over there
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  Speaker 5: when you're still over there, because I love you, Oh,
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  Speaker 5: I say, don't put it in those terms.
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  Speaker 2: Last year, I hope, so pretty fucking scandalous. Here's the
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  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four recording.
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  Speaker 3: Leicester's beginning to circle. Now he's moving in front.
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  Speaker 5: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 4: It's the Center for the Disease Control and let of
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  Speaker 4: an estimated and I asked the question. Mar estimated three
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  Speaker 4: hundred thousand people have been exposed to AIDS, which can
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  Speaker 4: be transmitted through saliva. Will the President, as commander in chief,
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  Speaker 4: take steps to protect armed forces with medical services from
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  Speaker 4: AIDS patients or those who run the risk of spreading
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  Speaker 4: AIDS in the same amount of that they bid typhoid
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  Speaker 4: fever people from being involved with the health or food services?
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  Speaker 4: Is the president concerned about this subject?
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  Speaker 3: Larry, that has to express concern.
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  Speaker 4: Reaction here, I you know I have it is only.
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  Speaker 3: Is he gonna do anything?
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  Speaker 5: Last guy, I've not heard him express anything.
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  Speaker 4: No express, no opinion about this epidemic.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: No, but I must convince I haven't asked him about it.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Would have you been checked?
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Fuck, Larry speaks. That guy is a piece of shit.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: You know. On the one hand, this is like a
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: pretty cut and dry two pieces of evidence of a
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: man who's essentially a mouthpiece for an evil empire. On
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: the other hand, as a comedian who one time at
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: his weekly comedy show in the year twenty fifteen did
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: the exact same crowd work on the exact same guy
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: two weeks in a row, I can sympathize with the
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: lack of creativity, going back to an old, familiar Well,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: it's something we all do from time to time. I'm
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: sure Adam can relate. So Larry speaks, I say something
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Chris Rock will tell you. Don't stop writing. Okay, if
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: you want to trust the gaze, come up with some
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: fresh material. We should all do better.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: One thing about Reagan before he became president There was
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: an incident when he was governor of California where he
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: fired two staff members, including his chief of staff, after
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: they were outed as gay in an article by an
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: investigative journalist.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: What a horrible judge. And this investigative journalist is just
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: going around following somebody. Hey he's having fun. Yeah, he's
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: experiencing the pleasure of nerve endings in his anus that
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: you'll never even know.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this was definitely a different time in that way.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: You could have a whole job just catching people being gay.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: I guess from the sound of this article, I could
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: have been Connor mcspadden, homo catcher, threw some glitter on
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: the old mug and went down to the leather bar
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: and fucking just outed family men all all fucking night long.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And Reagan considered homosexuality part of that moral decline,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: and that carried on into his first run for president
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: and everything he did after that.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: It's a moral evolution of the human sexual condition. Homosexuality
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: it's very green. It doesn't produce the same environmental waste
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: that heterosexual sex does, which is babies. If everybody turned gay,
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: we'd probably have plenty of corn. Yeah, I got an
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: A in the two honors community college economics classes I
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: got So what do I know? But that's just my theory.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: So these exchanges we already talked about. They happened. The
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: first one happens in nineteen eighty two, and by that point,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I think only like six hundred people had died from
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: AIDS in the United States. But those numbers start going
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: way way up.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: If you're that guy's like, nephew, do you brag about that? Like,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: my nephew is actually like one of the first six
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: hundred people to dive ades. Yeah, I wondered that, Like
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: my dad saw Hendrix. You know, my dad was fucking lame.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: My dad saw the recording of Kiss Alive two two gross, Yeah,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I know two.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: So it was isn't just that the Reagan administration was
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: dismissive of AIDS. Their policies actually went a long way
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: toward hindering efforts of medical professionals to deal with it.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah. If you're like, I want to research age, they're
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: like why.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a lot of that. We played those
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: two exchanges. The whole fucking tenor of it is, why
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: would we know about gay people? Who cares that gay
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: people are dying. That was the Reagan administration stance on
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: AIDS pretty much forever.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like the administration had a playbook of
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: this is our talking points for this issue and this
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: issue and this issue, and they were constantly evolving based
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: on the agenda and the political topography of the day.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: It seems like the age thing, it didn't even seem
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: like it was in the book. And they're like, I
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: don't know what the fuck that gay shit. There seemed
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: to be no thought whatsoever put into it. You know.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's absolutely that. I feel like this is actually
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: the biggest scandal of Reagan's presidency.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: It's very not preventable, but addressable. Yeah, let's put some
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: money into stopping this public health crisis.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And the whole reason none of that was done
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: is just religious bigotry, basically. Case in point. In nineteen
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: eighty three, Reagan met with members of the LGBTQ community
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: to talk about AIDS and what could be done to
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: prevent it, and he came away from that meeting very unhappy.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: So he had a second meeting, this time with his
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: conservative advisors.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: A lot of behind closed door meetings with dudes for
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: a guy who hates the gays, right, let me just
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: get off. Me and my secret buddies together to confer
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: about this, my special paths.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: In the ragstrange, their plan to fight AIDS was to
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: sell homosexuality as a sin and a moral failing. And
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: they thought if they told enough people that, then it
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: would just keep killing gay people and they'd be fine.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know, and you know what, props to them,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: it works, yeah, exactly.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: You know what, when the deep state wins, and they
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: often do, they really win. They owned the pr battle
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: on gayness. It wasn't even slightly cool to be pro
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: your hypothetical gay friends until like two thousand and three years,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: saying to one, did the John Stewart Daily Show come
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: out or something like that?
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was something like that.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: And even then John there's videos of Johnson. I'm sure
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: he's apologized for him being like there was a bitch
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: and there's a man in addressed Tevin shit, you know yeah,
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: And even that was pretty woke.
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: For the.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: So after those nineteen eighty three meetings, there were no
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: other meetings about AIDS for another two years, which sidebar.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: By nineteen eighty four, more than thirty five hundred people
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: had died from AIDS in the United States by nineteen
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: eighty five. That number jumped twelve thousand in five hundred
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: and twenty nine.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately, this is why we called the decade the nineteen eighties.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: So Team Reagan was also very hesitant to approve funding
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: for AIDS research. The first time someone managed to get
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: that passed, it was because they buried this funding for
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: AIDS in a public Health Emergency Trust Fund proposal that
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: was specifically for stuff like Legionnaire's disease and toxic shock syndrome,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: and someone just slid AIDS research in there, and of
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: course no one read it. So that's how AIDS research
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: got funded. Initially, it was through sneaky tactics.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: They had to fund AIDS research the same way they
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: passed the Patriot Acts. Yeah, don't you love this system
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: of government of ours?
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's the best. Our government is the best.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: It's like if you got this shit from drinking too
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: much MoU do. They would have called it the freedom
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: virus and like launched in the nineteen eighty version of
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Operation Light Speed to its fucking curate.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: So of course it took a rich white dude dying
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: from AIDS to light a fire. Yeah, under the Reagan administration,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: that rich white dude being legendary actor Rock Hudson, who
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I'm old enough to remember when that happened, and I'm
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: not old enough to give a shit about Rock Hudson,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: but I knew so many people, like especially family members,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: who were just so broken up about Rock Hudson dying.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: So it was a big deal to people. And he
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: apparently tried really hard to not let people know he
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: had AIDS, and meanwhile he was just disintegrating in public,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: so people knew something was wrong.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, how do you play that? He's just like, I'm
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: getting really into hair.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just working it out a bunch in my nineties,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: you know. In the book And the Band Played On,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: which if people have never seen it, there's a movie
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: version of And the Band Played On. It was an
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: HBO movie and it's really fucking good. I cannot recommend
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: it enough. And it's about how people were getting AIDS
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: from blood transfusions. There was blood that was tainted with
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: HIV and no one fucking knew it because they weren't
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: testing for it. So a lot of the people who
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: died from AIDS were not homosexuals. They were not drug users.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: They were people who went in for a fucking surgery
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: and got tainted blood transfusions, which I don't know. It
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: doesn't make Reagan's thing worse, Reagan not treating gay people
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: as people. There's not a lot that can make that worse.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: But it just doubly sucks that that's the reason he
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: ignored it when it wasn't even a valid reason. This
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: was not just a gay disease, but because it had
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: that connotation to it, the Reagan administration just fucking ignored it.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: And Reagan's in hell now.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: They weren't even being evil accurately exactly. Yeah, there was
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: friendly fire.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: The book and the band played on. They point to
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: rock Hudson dying as kind of a before and after
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: moment for AIDS where people like Reagan and his squad
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: wanted to ignore it. And then Rock Hudson dies and
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: he was a friend of the Reagan's, more a friend
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: of Nancy Reagan than Ronald Reagan, but they were friends.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: And there's a really sad story where Rock Hudson goes
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: to France to try and get treatment for AIDS and
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: the hospital he wants to go to is a military
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: hospital and they won't take him because they don't want
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: to be associated with the gay disease. And so Rock
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Hudson reached out to Nancy Reagan and was like, hey,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: will you help and maybe get me into this hospital
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: and she was like, now, we can't do that. It
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: would look like we're favoring our friends. Meanwhile, there are
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: so many instances of the Reagans favoring their friends over
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: any other kind of shit. But this Nancy was like, nope, nope,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: you just die gay.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: I guess tells you a lot about how homophobic the
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: global climate was when you get turned away for treatment.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Even in France, the gay is country of all time
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: by far.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is crazy how and I mean when
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: it comes to gay people, that fucking stance carried on deep.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, i'd say into the two thousands kind of
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: I mean I remember going to high school and like
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm from Chino, California, went to high school Ontario, California,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: kind of a conservative ish area, and just walking around
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: and seeing the all the fucking yes on eight yard signs,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: and it'd been crazy that every time you saw it
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: in these yellow signs, you're like that guy fucking that
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: guy hates my friends. Yeah, and we went around on
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Halloween ripping them all up, which was very fun.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Oh that does sound fun.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: But yeah, kids to school had the ship hanging af
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: their backpack. They were all fucking like the macho and
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: out there and fuck you and saying all the slurs
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: and shit like that. And yeah, it was not she
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: It was not friendly. She was not cool. If you like,
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: you know, I was in the drama department. There's fucking
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: tons of my friends were gay, but they couldn't. It
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: wasn't like on their Facebook, you know, like, yeah, here
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: I am at problem of the girl because I love pussy.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: So a few short weeks after Rock Hudson died, Congress
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: magically doubled the amount of federal funding allocated for AIDS research.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: God damn it, there's some kind of transgender disease. But
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: and then Hulk Hogan caught it.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of what this was. And I guarantee
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: there had to be a point where Reagan was like, well,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: how did he catch it? He's not gay?
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah he is.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: He was super duper gay, Ronald Reagan, You just don't
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: know it. He was Rock Hudson. Yeah, he was gay.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: He was closeted, fiercely closeted. I wonder why people seemed
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: so accepting of shit like that in the eighties. I
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: don't know why he felt he had to hide that.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: I was making a fan fiction in my head where
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Nancy gave him some sloppy topy Miraculously she had like
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: a cut in her gums and became the first person
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: to ever contract HIV orally like that, and then gives
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: it to Reagan like the last time they ever had.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: Ronald Reagan secretly dies of AIDS, but they pretend it's Alzheimer's.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, that's the Reagan movie I want.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: That's yeah, that's that's my version of Inglorious Bastards. It's
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: about the Reagan administration, but the alternate ending see through
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: happenstance gets AIDS.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which that would take so much longer to kill
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: him than that dementia did. But that's fine, any whatever
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: road we need to take to get there.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: I'm actually all right with slow death to the Gipper.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that would have been better. I mean, I
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: think he died kind of slow. I remember, I don't
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: remember exactly when did Ronald Reagan die.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: I think he died on like two thousand and five. No,
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: that's wrong, early ninety six.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Oh you were close June fifth, two thousand and four.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, Yeah, he was killed in the invasion of Iraq. Crazy,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: real fucking American hero.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: It's nuts, just drilling on a submachine gun in a helicopter.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: So when rock Hudson died. This was also the point
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: in history where Reagan finally started talking about AIDS with
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: his AIDS you.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Know you rye dog.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: On September seventeenth, nineteen eighty five, he finally, for the
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: first time, acknowledged AIDS as a real thing when he
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: was asked about it by a reporter at a White
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: House press conference. But even then, all he did was
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: defend his administration's actions when it came to AIDS and
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: claimed that it was actually the White House's top priority.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: It's like, get the fuck out of here, what are
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: you talking about?
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Maybe fucking avoiding it because you're all secretly gay. Anyways.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he did publicly claim in nineteen eighty six that
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: finding a cure for AIDS was quote one of our
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: highest public health priorities end quote. I love this turn
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: of events. After he made that announcement, he pulls then
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Surgeon General see Everett Coop aside, who if you've ever
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: seen that guy, he's a fucking character. But what they
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: were leaning on was the fact that See Everett Coop
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: was a conservative Christian, So they were like, what's going
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: to happen here is he's going to write a report
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: about AIDS and he's going to say it's a moral
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: failing and it's a sin, and that abstinence is the
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: only way to fix it. And he did not do that. Instead,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: he put out this report that was like condom's dummy,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: just fucking practice safe sex, and the Reagan administration was
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: wildly unhappy about that. This is a quote from Ronald
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Reagan about see Evert Coop's report. I would think that
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: sex education should begin with the moral ramifications that it
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: is not just a physical activity that doesn't have any
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: more connotation end quote. And I feel like this is
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: probably the point in history where I don't know if
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: this is still the case. But for the longest time,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: through Bush, the second Obama, everyone there was this thing
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: where when we send aid money to Africa for anything,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: we had a stipulation in place whenever a Republican was
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: in office that if you do any sex education teachings
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: it has to be abstinence based, no condoms, none of that,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: or you don't get any aid money from the United States.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: And then when Democrats have been in office, that stipulation
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: is not in place. And I feel like that probably
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: started here where Republicans on one side are like, Nope,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: tell people gay people are the devil and that everyone
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: should never have sex again, and Democrats were like, people
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: are gonna still have sex, we should probably tell them
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: how to do it safely. And it seems like that
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: is still a huge dividing point between Republicans and Democrats.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Just nuts, So much shit in people's brains and in
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: our world and in our lives just boils down to
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: the dumb nonsense that your parents told you, that their
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: parents told them, and to whatever degree you questioned it.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: When I was growing up in a relatively modern time
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: where I could go watch the John Stewart Daily Show
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: and read Adbusters magazine and get some kind of a
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: subversive idea of what actually maybe was happening in the world,
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: there was like still my buddies moms were like, well,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: if you get cold, then you get a cold or whatever,
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: like whatever stupid fucking thing. So somebody tells you when
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: you're eight years old, very sternly, that you fucking abstinence
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: is the only way you kind of think about it,
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: and it makes sense because you've never fucking thought about
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: anything before because you're eight years and then you just
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: think that forever and then impregnate your children with your
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: diseased ideas. You try to always fact you're in a
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: bit of one into anybody's the general bigotry that people
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: perhaps don't have the same advantages of having maybe a
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: diverse group of friends that you have or whatever the
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: fuck it is. Yeah, but yes, so many things. It's
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: like then you actually get a gay friend and you're like, oh,
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: this is actually not that serious, right, Like I guess
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: I thought from TV it was gonna be a whole production.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: But you just like different Smiths songs than I do.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So see Everett Coop eventually wins this battle,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: and for the Recordagan had no more meetings with See
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Effort Coup about AIDS after he put out that report.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Reagan was just pissed that it didn't say abstinence only.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: But in nineteen eighty eight, Congress mandated that a pamphlet
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: about preventing AIDS be written up and sent to every
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: household in the United States and see effortt Coop wrote
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: that pamphlet, and it was all about safe sex and
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: not about abstinence. So at least he won that battle
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: within the Reagan administration. I like that part. This was
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: apparently the largest mass mailing in American history at the time.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: I was seeing that as strained because, like, the president
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: has to talk to you about something. I've ridden you
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: a special pamphlet. I want you to put this piece
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: of rubber on your penis before you do naughty things
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: with each other. It's just kind of creepy, like the
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: government is in your mail to talk to you about
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: your day.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: I wonder what eventually surpassed that largest mass mailing. I
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: wonder if it was like those AOL discs, those fucking
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: things we're everywhere.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: There was more of those around than there was oxygen
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: in the atmosphere for a while. It was really strange.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: I was looking at them one time, going like, okay,
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: these are like they're all like ninety five hours each.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: We have three thousand of them. I could be on
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: the internet for the next ten hundred years.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I did an episode of a podcast we used
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: to do called the ninety Sucked, and the episode was
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: about those AOL discs. There was a point, I think
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: it was like nineteen ninety seven where all CD manufacturing
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: globally was just doing aolcds. All musicians had to delay
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: their shit because there were not enough CD plants to
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: make music. They were just doing AOL discs. That's nuts.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: And now there's a huge collector's market forum, which I
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: found that in interesting.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: It would be kind of bossed to have a whole
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: set like I got every color Way, dude, even the
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: limited edition Halloween ones. Bro, I got the whole fucking shit.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: So in mid nineteen eighty seven, Reagan issued an executive
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: order that created the Buckle Up, Everybody. This is a
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: long one Presidential Commission on the Human Immunodeficiency Virus Epidemic
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: to investigate HIV slash AIDS. All Right, For one thing,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: HIV and human immuno deficiency virus are the same thing,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: so you didn't need to put HIV in there after
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: writing it out. But this sounds like it would have
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: been a step in the right direction. But it was
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: the same partisan bickering about how to approach it, and
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Reagan insisted on having all these conservative advisors weigh in
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: on this. Nancy Reagan wanted a gay person on the
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: panel because it was affecting gay people at a much
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: higher rate than anyone else. Reagan that down. He did
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: briefly consider having someone on the panel who was a
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: reformed gay person, and it's like, that's just a concerno
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: loo loo. And so among the things his conservative advisors
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: wanted to recommend as part of this panel rolling quarantines
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: of gay people, which I don't think I even fucking
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: want to know what that means, because that sounds.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: A little incredibly menacing, rolling quarantines.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, that sounds a lot like we're building camps and.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: The police state has arrived.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: They also the jelly offer poem. Sorry to do my
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: second reference to the show, but I usually do at
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: least one.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we tried to get one or two in every episode. Yeah,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: someone else on the panel wanted everyone who is diagnosed
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: with AIDS to be tattooed, and if you if you
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: got it from being a drug user, they wanted the
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: tattoo on your arm, and if you got it through sex.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: It was going to go on your buttocks. Those were
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: the kind of plans the Reagan administration had to fight AIDS.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: That is, Wow, that's my new cartoonishly evil favored Reagan
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: administration fun facts. The Reagan administration had a system of
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: tattooing people that was ad or eviler than the Holocaust.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Like the people were like number on the arm that
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: let's be okay, We're going to do more of a
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: permanent pink triangle thing.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is crazy. How similar to Nazi shit that is?
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: They're just like, all right, well, first we're going to
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: put them all in camps to separate them from society,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: and then we're going to put identifying symbols on them.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: What could go wrong? What could go wrong?
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: Yes, so we know where they are, we could keep
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: tracking them so easily.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. None of that happened though. Fortunately the effort did
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: result in something called the Watkins Commission Report, which basically
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: said all the things see effort coop said, which is
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: safe sex condoms that should go a long way in
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: helping The report made five hundred and seventy nine specific
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: recommendations for fighting the AIDS epidemic and Reagan implemented, eh,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: maybe like five ten something like that, And so by
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: the end of his presidency, eighty nine thousand, three hundred
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: and forty three people had died of AIDS in the
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: United States. That blood is on that motherfucker's hands.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: What's that number again, Adam.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Eighty nine thousand, three hundred and forty three.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Okay, I need to do a little bit of quick
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: arithmic ticking. This'll be worth it. That is thirty points
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: zero one, nine elevens. Ronald Reagan did thirty nine elevens
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: on gay people. Pretty mean, it does.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Suck that there's not just a like Google currency converter
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: for that.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: You should this.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let's start a website. How many nine elevens
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: was this dot com? And you just tied?
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: But someone was like, only like fifteen hundred people died
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: in Pearl Harbor. That's not even a whole nine to eleven.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The one that I always bring up is the Hindenburg.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: People act like the Hindenburg was this and it was
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: a massive tragedy, but like thirty people died. Oh, if
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: you watch the video, it's the balloon that's on fire.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: But the people were in the fucking cabin. So if
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: you watch video of the Hindenburg falling to the ground,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: once it lands, people just start streaming out. The only
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: people who died were like the last people to get out,
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: and it was because the balloon like collapsed around them
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: and they burned. But most of the people on the
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Hindenburg got out, So quit fucking whining.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Well, this is alive and the Hindenburg wasn't that bad.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: It really was.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Belt facts. Facts don't care about your feelings, folks.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, Reagan killed what was it, thirty nine to
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: eleven's worth of people through his enactions. Yeah, and that's
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: just people who died of AIDS. We're not even talking
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: about all the people who died in Latin America when
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: he was just given the CIA a blank check to
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: do whatever the fuck they wanted to do in the
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: name of fighting communism. So, yeah, Reagan's a war criminal
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: and he should have gone to prison at some point.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: I remember one time, and I don't know what compelled
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: him to say this, My childhood friend Kellen said that
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: when we catch Osama bin Laden, we should sew up
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: his butt cheeks and force feed them laxatives. And I
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: think that's what we should do to Ronald Reagan as
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: soon as time machine technology is invented.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: I think your friend Kellen is ripping off the Wu
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Tang clan.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: That is from the intro to Method Man.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and seeing you and see and see which that
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: would be fucked up.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Apparently Puff Daddy loved to play torture with Method Man
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: when they were recording the song to what the only
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: feature I'm Ready to Die Biggi's first album. Yeah, And
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: while they were doing in the recording session, you have
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: to he kept Griffin on this torture. But one thing
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: he said was a fucking a fucking liquefire assets and
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: I always enjoyed that.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: That's a good one. So that's our episode. We did it.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: The Reagan movie is in theaters now. I would say
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: you should go to it and stand out front and protest,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: and you have a.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: Sign that says Reagan killed thirty nine to eleven's worth
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: of gay people with ag Yeah.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Treat the Reagan movie like Republicans treat an abortion clinic.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Just harass the shit out of anyone going into the
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Reagan movie.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: I want, like, you know, a bunch of crushpunks yelling
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: at an old man with those like really, you know,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: and old men have the impossibly big sunglasses that stick
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: out like three inches from their nose because they have
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: like all the different blockers, And I just want a
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: guy wearing those sunglasses like cowering and fear well, just
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: a bunch of screaming gaze.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: That would be nice to see. So Connor, thank you
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: so much for doing the pod. I appreciate it as always.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: What thanks, Adam?
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Do we have to plug before we get out of here?
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: All I got is my solo podcast in Broad Daylight.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: You can listen to it wherever podcasts are at, or
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: you can watch it on YouTube at Adam Todd Brown
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Comedy That's Todd with one D. This week's episode is
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: about the Chase Free Money glitch, which what a debacle? Connor,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: what do you have to plug?
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Oh goodness me. I have a comedy special on YouTube
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: called Jokes About Fucking and several more comedy albums available
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: on the YouTube channel as well as long as Spotify,
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Apple Music other streaming services. In addition, I have a
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: scripted comedy podcast called Mean Boys that is unlike anything
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: you've ever heard. We have a monologue, jokes, games, sketches,
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: desk pieces. It's a combination of late night talk shows,
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: morning radio shows, and old timey game shows and all
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: kinds of things. And Adam has been on a bunch
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: of times. And we you know, you might want to
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: subscribe to the Mean Boys feed. You know it may
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: be some activity happening there soon. I can to spoil.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Do it, Go subscribe and let's get the fuck out
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: of here. Connor say goodbye, goodbye everybody, goodbye everybody. We
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: love you.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: People have a.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: You're trying to disaster. Be sure