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The Kenny Report | 18 November · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Lone from the Skying You Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me for another week here on the
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Speaker 2: Kenny Report. Tonight, Alan Jones, the one time Wallaby's coach
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Speaker 2: and leading broadcaster, arrested, charged and bail on twenty four
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Speaker 2: charges of indecent assault and sexual touching.
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Speaker 1: The energy debate heats up as coal and gas fight.
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Speaker 2: Back and Labour's renewables plan exposed as five hundred billion
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Speaker 2: dollars more expensive than claimed.
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Speaker 1: Dick Smith joins me.
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albernez, he singled out as China's handsome boy and
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Speaker 2: a favored leader. Now just when he's got trouble in
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Speaker 2: Washington thanks to Vin the Kevin Rudd appointment and the
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Speaker 2: independent supermarket operator who says it's time to weaken the.
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Speaker 1: Coles and Woollies duopoly.
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Speaker 2: All that and plenty more, Gematon Yuni and Caroline Durisso
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Speaker 2: John me join me. We'll talk about Donald Trump bringing
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Speaker 2: some joy to the world. Let's get cracking. We used
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Speaker 2: to joke about the miserable leftists and the anti Christian
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Speaker 2: woke brigade and how they'd want to kill Christmas if
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Speaker 2: they could. Well, it's no longer a joke under the
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Speaker 2: guise of pro Palestinian or anti Israel protests. That's exactly
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Speaker 2: what these grinches have tried to do. As you would
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Speaker 2: have heard, the official launch event for the Maya Christmas
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Speaker 2: Windows in Melbourne was canceled because of fears about the
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Speaker 2: protesters turning a fun event into a pretty dismal affair.
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Speaker 3: Maya canceled its party and pulled back the curtain on
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Speaker 3: its Christmas windows early at seven o'clock this morning. There
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Speaker 3: was barely anyone on Burk Streets to celebrate with Santa.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was pretty sad.
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Speaker 2: Christmas cheer was replaced by Christmas fears and even still
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Speaker 2: the idiotic protesters soon turned up, bringing their Christmas jears
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Speaker 2: to an event designed to bright lives, especially for kids.
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Speaker 4: We shouldn't have to put up with this, and neither
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Speaker 4: should the children in Australia.
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Speaker 5: Enough is enough, Australia time to fight that.
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Speaker 3: Some took that upon themselves for Christmas and for the kids.
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Speaker 3: This woman asked for then snapped one of the protesters'
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Speaker 3: signs sanction.
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Speaker 6: Israel in the genocide. We don't have to do this anymore.
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Speaker 7: I'd rather go to yoga.
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Speaker 1: Should be in the Garter. This is for the kids.
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Speaker 1: Don't ruin it true.
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Speaker 2: These protesters are rude, they're selfish, and they're wrong. They're
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Speaker 2: just hopelessly ill informed. Of course, all zion As are terrorists.
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Speaker 2: They chanted in other words, there should be no state
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Speaker 2: of Israel. These people are not about peace. They're not
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Speaker 2: about justice or about people in the Middle East living
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Speaker 2: side by. They're about getting rid of Israel. I wonder
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Speaker 2: do they know anything about Christmas? They know it celebrates
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Speaker 2: the birth of Jesus Christ, who happens to have been
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Speaker 2: a Jew. Do they know the first Christmas was more
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Speaker 2: than two thousand years ago and that had happened in Bethlehem,
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Speaker 2: right there on the West Bank, just ten kilometers from
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Speaker 2: the middle of Jerusalem. Yeah, Jesus's parents were Jews, and
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Speaker 2: they came from Nazareth in Galilee, right up there by
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Speaker 2: the Sea of Galilee and modern Israel in the north.
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Speaker 2: They traveled all the way down through what is now
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Speaker 2: the West Bank to Bethlehem for the birth, all territory
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Speaker 2: that is now either part of Israel or occupied by Israel.
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Speaker 2: Doesn't it occur to these mindless and hateful protesters that
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Speaker 2: the very story of Christmas, the facts of Christmas. Whether
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Speaker 2: you believe in the sanctity of it or not, the
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Speaker 2: facts of Christmas are actually a timely reminder of the
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Speaker 2: place of Jews in that part of the world, the
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Speaker 2: place of the Jews in Jerusalem, in the Holy Lands,
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Speaker 2: in Israel, long before anyone even came up with the
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Speaker 2: word Palestine. Don't pretend the Jews are modern impostors. Don't
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Speaker 2: pretend they're some kind of white colonialists.
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Speaker 1: Just deal in reality and.
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Speaker 2: Ask yourself who is trying to eradicate whom from the
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Speaker 2: Middle East? Which country has worked hardest for peace and plurality,
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Speaker 2: for democracy and fairness in the Middle East? And ask
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Speaker 2: yourself why the protesters don't call for the release of hostages,
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Speaker 2: don't call for the capture of murderous terrorists, and don't
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Speaker 2: call on Hamas and Hesbalah to stop killing innocent people.
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Speaker 1: Why not?
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Speaker 2: Why do they support organizations committed to genocide and terrorism
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Speaker 2: and the obliteration of the Jewish people?
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Speaker 1: Where's the humanity in that? And another thing, why does.
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Speaker 2: State governments and police forces allow protesters to bully people
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Speaker 2: like this? They say they're upset about what's happened with
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Speaker 2: the Christmas display.
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Speaker 7: No one has the right.
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Speaker 8: To try and ruin someone else's tradition. To anyone who
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Speaker 8: wants to spread hate and division here in the city
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Speaker 8: of Melbourne, here across Victoria, there is no place for you.
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Speaker 8: There is no place for this behavior.
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Speaker 2: But hang on a second, what about the role of
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Speaker 2: the Victorian government and the police there. We know that
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Speaker 2: during COVID they were brutal on arresting and dispersing any
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Speaker 2: law breakers or protesters. Yet since COVID, when it comes
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Speaker 2: to climate protesters blocking the roads, the government and police
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Speaker 2: have been laid back, sometimes leading it to citizens to
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Speaker 2: step in, and they've let regular anti Israel protests take
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Speaker 2: over the city streets, charting offensive slogans and often directing
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Speaker 2: hatred at Jewish Australians, and the police haven't intervened then
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Speaker 2: to return the streets to all citizens. In fact, the
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Speaker 2: Premier has been clear people.
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Speaker 8: Have a right to come together and to peacefully protest,
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Speaker 8: and that right should absolutely be prospected.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they let them go like they've done in Sydney
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Speaker 2: with the hateful chance and the celebrations over the slaughter
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Speaker 2: of innocent Israelis. There's been nothing but deference to these
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Speaker 2: hateful protests, and then they wonder why Meyer or any
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Speaker 2: other organization or group is too frightened to celebrate Christmas
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Speaker 2: to worry that protesters will disrupt their right to enjoy
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Speaker 2: their lives.
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Speaker 1: That's the real worry here, the real lesson the.
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Speaker 2: Softly softly approach of the state governments and their police
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Speaker 2: forces so desperate to respect the so called rights of
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Speaker 2: the protesters. Well, they've left law abiding citizens vulnerable to
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Speaker 2: these protests. The activists are restricting the rights, they're restricting
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Speaker 2: the liberties of their fellow citizens, and they should not
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Speaker 2: be tolerated. Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi has been pathetic, as
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Speaker 2: you know, when it comes to Israel, and in my view,
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Speaker 2: recklessly negligent when it comes to the rising tide of
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism in this country. And this defining characteristic of weakness,
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Speaker 2: Well it's only coming through more clearly now across more areas.
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Speaker 2: At the G twenty and Rio de Niro. Later tonight,
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Speaker 2: Anthony Alberesi will meet with China's President Shiji Ping. And
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Speaker 2: I've gone into some detail in the past, perhaps out
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Speaker 2: how Anthony Albanesi has been cowtowing to China, how he
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Speaker 2: failed to confront China over dangerous allegations, the dangerous actions
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Speaker 2: that they took against our navy divers, and even failed
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Speaker 2: to stand up against China. When the former Chinese prisoner
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Speaker 2: and now Sky News presenter Chang Lei was bullied by
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Speaker 2: Chinese officials in Canberra well over the weekend, it got
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Speaker 2: worse for our prime minister. Our worst fears about how
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Speaker 2: he'd been dancing to China's tune were confirmed by no
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Speaker 2: other party but Beijing. The communist regimes. China Daily editorialized
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Speaker 2: in praise of Albanesi, suggesting other countries should follow his lead.
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Speaker 1: Australia's ties with.
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Speaker 2: China deteriorated when the previous Australian government fell under Washington's
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Speaker 2: anti China spell, the China Daily said, but Cambra has
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Speaker 2: woken up to the significance of those ties under the
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Speaker 2: Albanese government and set about repairing them. The strategic autonomy
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Speaker 2: the Albanesi government has displayed has proved that those ties
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Speaker 2: are in both parties interests. Oh dear hey, strategic autonomy.
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Speaker 2: In other words, turning from the US to China last year, China.
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Speaker 1: Call him the handsome boy.
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Speaker 2: Now they're telling the world that Albanesi is their lapdog,
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Speaker 2: edging away from Washington and pleasing Beijing. And this comes
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Speaker 2: just when Alberizi is facing hassles in Washington for reporting
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Speaker 2: his mate and former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd as ambassador
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Speaker 2: to the US, even though he's spoken in hysterical and
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Speaker 2: even abusive terms about President elect Donald Trump. This is
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Speaker 2: quite the diplomatic bind. This is not great for our
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Speaker 2: nation's values or interests. Australia favored in Beijing and on
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Speaker 2: the uter in Washington. Albanese needs to get cracking. He
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Speaker 2: needs to be a favored player in the U with
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Speaker 2: more of a practical and transactional relationship with China. Remembering
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Speaker 2: that Rudd is a Mandarin speaking China expert, maybe the
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Speaker 2: best play here is to send Kevin Rudd to Beijing
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Speaker 2: and argue that's where he's needed.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: There is a very good question that the rogue Senator
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Speaker 2: for Victoria Lydia Thorpe has posed previously to the Parliament.
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Speaker 2: It's a good question and it's so good that I've
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Speaker 2: previously featured it here and attempted to answer it. Well,
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Speaker 2: it's high time that we consider this issue again. So
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Speaker 2: let's revisit this important query, what kind.
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Speaker 6: Of person do you think I am?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: It's probably the best question this senator has ever asked,
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Speaker 2: and today the Senate considered it in part as they
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Speaker 2: discussed Thorpe's behavior after she was invited to the reception
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Speaker 2: last month for the nation's head of state, to whom,
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Speaker 2: by the way, she had pledged allegiance.
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Speaker 6: Do not now land that juttify your style from uh?
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Speaker 7: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Well, may you say God save the king?
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Speaker 2: Because nothing seems to save us from this particular senator.
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Speaker 6: What kind of person do you think I am?
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Speaker 2: Well, her fellow senators today decided she was the kind
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Speaker 2: of person who needed to be censured for her behavior,
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Speaker 2: as they debated and passed a censure motion against her.
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Speaker 9: Senator's behavior in this place and beyond is designed to
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Speaker 9: cause outrage, designed to gain media attention, and so often
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Speaker 9: does not reflect on this chamber and what Australians expected us.
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Speaker 6: What kind of person do you think I am?
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Speaker 10: It is not about her right to say it, or
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Speaker 10: her views those we defend, but it is about the
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Speaker 10: conduct that was undertaken, the disruptive, disorderly and disrespectful approach
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Speaker 10: that reflected so poorly upon all senators and this chamber
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Speaker 10: and brought us into disrepute.
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Speaker 2: Now context is everything, of course, and for Thorpe there
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Speaker 2: is plenty of context or what we might call form.
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Speaker 6: What kind of person do you think I am?
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Speaker 2: While, senator, you are rather confrontational and extreme?
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Speaker 7: This is a w.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that kind of a person.
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Speaker 6: What kind of person do you think I am?
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Speaker 2: Well, you also don't mind a bit of a rumble,
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Speaker 2: it seems, yeah, that kind of senator.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't one of the better days, was it.
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Speaker 6: What kind of person do you think I am?
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Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 2: How else to answer this? There was that incident outside
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Speaker 2: the strip club?
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Speaker 6: Anybody known that stands with it like that?
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Speaker 1: Dear Idea, she's one of those kinds of people.
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Speaker 6: What kind of person do you think I am?
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Speaker 2: To be, Frank, she's the sort of person who seems
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Speaker 2: to have a bit of a setter against the police.
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Speaker 11: On this word.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a law maker abusing the law enforces.
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Speaker 1: It's not ideal.
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Speaker 6: What kind of person do you think I am?
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Speaker 2: Well, perhaps the kind of person who makes wild claims.
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Speaker 2: Often they're killing our men.
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Speaker 12: And they're still riping our women.
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Speaker 1: Look, we could go on and on, so perhaps I
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Speaker 1: should What.
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Speaker 6: Kind of person, do you think I am.
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Speaker 2: Well, it turns out she's the kind of person who,
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Speaker 2: even when she is censured by the Senate, rejects the
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Speaker 2: finding and vows to do the same again.
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Speaker 4: There are no consequences for politicians who behave badly.
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Speaker 6: That is my point.
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Speaker 4: CeNSE E motion is you know, if we look at
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Speaker 4: what our brothers and sisters did in New Zealand, center
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Speaker 4: motion is like that. To me, I don't give a
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Speaker 4: damn about censure motion. In fact, I'm going to use
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Speaker 4: it for kindling later on in the week.
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Speaker 2: Not a great example, is she. There are so many
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Speaker 2: kinds of people the senator has been well, perhaps it's
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Speaker 2: all the one kind of person. But in the Senator
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Speaker 2: today there was one senator on Lydia Thorpe's side, and
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Speaker 2: she seemed to be only able to see one kind
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Speaker 2: of person that Thorpe is. This senator couldn't see anything
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Speaker 2: except skin color.
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Speaker 13: I thought, we still live in a democracy. We have
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Speaker 13: a right to protest, we have a right to dissent,
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Speaker 13: we have a right to disrupt, and that's what Senator
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Speaker 13: Thorpe did. But you you want to police black women,
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Speaker 13: You want to police the way we died Black and
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Speaker 13: brown people disrupt and descent. You want us, you want
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Speaker 13: us to be boxed into what a waste white supremacist
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Speaker 13: system is the right way to protest and to dessent.
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Speaker 2: I don't think that's going to cut it, is it?
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Speaker 2: I think her behavior is the issue here, not her
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Speaker 2: racial background.
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Speaker 6: What kind of person do you think I am.
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Speaker 2: I think she's the kind of person who gets elected
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Speaker 2: by the Greens, but is too nutty even for them,
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Speaker 2: so that she no longer represents the people who voted
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Speaker 2: her into the Senate. I think she's the kind of
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Speaker 2: person who takes a package worth about three hundred thousand
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Speaker 2: dollars a year to pretty much do anything and say
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Speaker 2: anything with impunity. I think she's the kind of person
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Speaker 2: who proves that Paul Keating was right when he said
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Speaker 2: the Senate is sometimes home to unrepresentatives will and I
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Speaker 2: think she's the kind of person whose political career will
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Speaker 2: end the minute she is directly accountable to voters. But sadly,
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Speaker 2: under our system, Thorpe won't face that Hurtle, she won't
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Speaker 2: actually confront democracy for more than three years. Let's cross
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Speaker 2: to Canberra now and catch up with Liberal Senator Dave Sharma.
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Speaker 1: Dave, thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 2: What kind of a person do you think Lydia Thorpe is, Well, I.
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Speaker 14: Think she's someone who's abused the trust of the Australians
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Speaker 14: who put her there. I mean, all of us elected
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Speaker 14: representatives should be mindful that we're discharging a duty on
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Speaker 14: behalf of the Australian people. And I think they're entitled
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Speaker 14: to expect a modicum of decency, civility, high standards of behavior.
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Speaker 14: And you know that's what she grossly failed that during
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Speaker 14: the King Charle's reception. And it's right that the Senate
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Speaker 14: sent you to that. I think we sho remind ourselves that,
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Speaker 14: you know, to be here is a privileged role and
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Speaker 14: we should be thankful for that every day.
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Speaker 1: I think she's got so much to shave that way. Well,
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Speaker 1: she's got such form.
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Speaker 2: She's abusive publicly, she's abusive in the Senate. She's foul mouthed,
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Speaker 2: she's aggressive. She just abuses a range of people. Yet
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Speaker 2: the Senate can't do anything about her. She doesn't face voters,
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Speaker 2: she wasn't really directly voted in.
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Speaker 1: She came in under the Greens banner.
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Speaker 2: It kind of exposes exposes problems with the system, doesn't it.
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Speaker 2: I mean it's voters who should she should be accountable
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Speaker 2: for too, but that won't happen until the next election cycle.
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Speaker 1: That's right.
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Speaker 14: Look, she won't be accountable to the voteress till twenty
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Speaker 14: twenty eight. We have this, you know, it happened a
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Speaker 14: number of times, including on the right side of politics
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Speaker 14: as well as the left, where senators who are elected
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Speaker 14: under a party banner, and you know, as highly as
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Speaker 14: they might think of themselves, they would never have been
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Speaker 14: elected on the recognition of their own name alone. They've
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Speaker 14: been elected as a member of the party. It then
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Speaker 14: turned tail on the party and decide they're going to
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Speaker 14: differentiate themselves against the party, and they often end up
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Speaker 14: becoming character toious, you know, like Lydia Thorpe, always seeking
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Speaker 14: out media attention and profile because that's their only hope
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Speaker 14: of getting elected the next time around.
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Speaker 1: It usually ends in failure.
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Speaker 14: But yes, in the meantime we all have to put
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Speaker 14: up with it, and it's a pretty unedifying spectacle, I agree.
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Speaker 2: Now we're seeing the end of Christmas down in Melbourne
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Speaker 2: with the protest sort of kie washing, the opening up
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Speaker 2: of a really great Christmas family celebration that Meyer has
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Speaker 2: done for so many years. But isn't this indicative, as
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Speaker 2: I said at the opening the program, and that we've
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Speaker 2: got state governments and their police forces not clamping down
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Speaker 2: on these protests. So instead of the protesters' rights being
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Speaker 2: limited to having a protest in a certain area or
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Speaker 2: in a certain peaceful way, actually other people who are
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Speaker 2: having their liberties infringed upon because they're intimulated by the protesters.
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Speaker 14: That's exactly right, christ I mean, these protests have been
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Speaker 14: going on now in Melbourne and Sydney CBDs every Sunday
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Speaker 14: for well over a year, or nearly every Sunday, and
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Speaker 14: they do so they disrupt all the businesses and the CBD.
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Speaker 14: They deter a whole lot of people from coming to
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Speaker 14: the CBD because they fear for their lives. You can't
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Speaker 14: cross the road. There's hundreds of police employed. They're all
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Speaker 14: infringing on our rights. And now they've taken the next
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Speaker 14: obvious step and says decided that a small minority is
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Speaker 14: going to be allowed to cancel Christmas for the vast
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Speaker 14: majority of Australians who would like to enjoy the Maya
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Speaker 14: window displays of Christmas. I mean, it's just it's preposterous,
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Speaker 14: but it shows you how by failing to check this
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Speaker 14: movement in its infancy, we've allowed it to grow and
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Speaker 14: expand and till its demands are just so ludicrous that
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Speaker 14: it's almost a character Chill now.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a shocking Thanks for joining us, Dave. I
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Speaker 2: appreciate it, Senator Dave Shama, their liberal senator for New
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Speaker 2: South Wales, joining us from camera. I want to go
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Speaker 2: to this big news story today though with the veteran
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Speaker 2: broadcast a form of Sky News, host Alan Jones has
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Speaker 2: been charged with twenty four historical indecent assault and sexual
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Speaker 2: touching offenses. The charges relate to eight different alleged victims.
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Speaker 2: Sky News senior reporter Caroline Marcus as all the latest
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Speaker 2: police allege.
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Speaker 11: Alan Jones's eight victims ranged from a seventeen year old
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Speaker 11: to a man aged in his fifties. They say the
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Speaker 11: alleged offenses took place between two thousand and one and
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Speaker 11: twenty nineteen, and involved both people who had worked for him,
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Speaker 11: as well as people he'd allegedly assaulted upon first meeting.
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Speaker 11: The eighty three year old has been charged with a
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Speaker 11: total of twenty four offenses, including eleven counts of aggravated
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Speaker 11: and decent assault where a victim has been under his authority,
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Speaker 11: nine counts of assault with active indecency, two counts of
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Speaker 11: sexually touching another person without consent, and two counts of
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Speaker 11: common assault. Police described the charges as serious and praise
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Speaker 11: the bravery of the alleged victims.
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Speaker 1: I believe historical matters.
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Speaker 10: It takes some people a large amount of time to
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Speaker 10: come forward.
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Speaker 1: For a myriad of different reasons.
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Speaker 10: We please these victims had the confidence in you so
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Speaker 10: Well's police force to come forward.
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Speaker 11: Mister Jones was arrested at his Sydney Harbourside apartment this morning,
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Speaker 11: where he chose to remain while police executed a search
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Speaker 11: warrant on his home. He was taken to Day Street
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Speaker 11: Police station, where he was charged and granted conditional bail.
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Speaker 8: I've been told that he was quite calm and did
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Speaker 8: seek listen legal advice.
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Speaker 11: It's understood police were aware he'd planned to travel to
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Speaker 11: New York imminently, but denied that was the reason for
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Speaker 11: his arrest.
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Speaker 15: Now.
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Speaker 11: Mister Jones spent thirty five years as a radio broadcaster,
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Speaker 11: including as host at station two GB, where he's alleged
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Speaker 11: to have been decently assaulted young men, including kissing one
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Speaker 11: in a lift and expose himself to another in his apartment.
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Speaker 11: He announced his retirement from two GB in twenty twenty,
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Speaker 11: and his contract as a TV host was not renewed
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Speaker 11: by Sky News the following year. Mister Jones denied the
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Speaker 11: allegations against him when they were first reported in nine newspapers.
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Speaker 11: Alan Jones is due to appear in court on December eighteen.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and a short time ago, Alan Jones departed Sydney's
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Speaker 2: Day Street Police station. Have a look, Alan, anything.
23:31
Speaker 3: Are you going to assisted your innoc of stairs?
23:41
Speaker 1: The charge is coming to shop to you?
23:43
Speaker 2: What about you people with a keploy and what have
23:47
Speaker 2: you got to say to all of your listeners?
23:49
Speaker 1: The people will support you anything at all.
23:53
Speaker 2: Alan Jones, there, of course a man known world to
23:55
Speaker 2: many people in the media at this station, especially at two.
23:58
Speaker 1: GB and nine over the years there.
24:01
Speaker 2: He is leaving the Day Street Police Station in Sydney's
24:04
Speaker 2: CBD just minutes ago. I do know that he's been
24:07
Speaker 2: in poor health of late and you can see him
24:09
Speaker 2: looking quite frail. There no room for commentary and opinion
24:13
Speaker 2: when it comes to this case. As a matter for
24:15
Speaker 2: the legal system and the courts, and we'll keep you
24:17
Speaker 2: up to date with all of that. Now go to
24:20
Speaker 2: another issue that affects all of us, especially in this
24:22
Speaker 2: cost of living crisis, and there's been a lot of
24:24
Speaker 2: focus this year on the market power of coals and woolies,
24:28
Speaker 2: including an inquiry by the a Triple C into dodgy
24:31
Speaker 2: discounts that's going on this week. And now the country's
24:35
Speaker 2: biggest independent chain, Drake's, has come out lashing the corporate
24:39
Speaker 2: regulator for not doing enough to rain in the big two.
24:43
Speaker 2: Let me bring in Drake's Supermarks director John.
24:46
Speaker 1: Paul Drake live from Adelaide. Thanks for joining us, John Paul,
24:50
Speaker 1: great to catch up with you. Now.
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Speaker 2: You run about sixty supermarkets in South Australia and in Queensland,
24:56
Speaker 2: so you're big for an independent and smaller operator here.
25:00
Speaker 2: How difficult is it for independence competing against the big two.
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Speaker 1: It's exceptionally hard.
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Speaker 16: And as you're very aware, and as everyone's aware, there's
25:12
Speaker 16: a lot of action with the supermarket retailing sector and
25:17
Speaker 16: the HFC is definitely having a nice inquiry right now
25:20
Speaker 16: as we speak. But it's not one thing and that's
25:23
Speaker 16: what we always talk about this and pricings come in
25:27
Speaker 16: to play at this point in time. The pricing is
25:29
Speaker 16: one component of it. I think it's an interesting component
25:32
Speaker 16: that you're trying to tell people that you need to
25:35
Speaker 16: price this way and this way and this way. The
25:37
Speaker 16: fact that we have government trying to do that sells
25:40
Speaker 16: us there is a massive problem, and I think the
25:44
Speaker 16: problem has got to a stage where I think it
25:48
Speaker 16: might be a little bit too late to wind back
25:50
Speaker 16: to try and make sure it's a fair competing ground
25:52
Speaker 16: that we're playing on.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we know, of course the best way to
25:56
Speaker 2: keep prices fair and low is to have a lot
25:59
Speaker 2: of competition. It's hard when there are two giants in play.
26:03
Speaker 2: So aren't you suggesting what governments need to do is
26:06
Speaker 2: do what they can to support independence. That is, if
26:09
Speaker 2: there's say a new housing development and at least going
26:12
Speaker 2: up for a new supermarket to serve it, maybe the.
26:15
Speaker 1: Big two shouldn't be up for that lease.
26:18
Speaker 2: So maybe are you're suggesting that planning authorities or the
26:21
Speaker 2: a trip will see should get in and open it
26:23
Speaker 2: up for independence to bid. That is that the sort
26:25
Speaker 2: of intervention you think is called for.
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Speaker 16: Oh, oh my god, we've got common sense talking here.
26:35
Speaker 16: I mean, the fact is the power that these players
26:39
Speaker 16: have isn't seen anywhere else in the world. Maybe in China,
26:42
Speaker 16: but definitely not in America, Ireland.
26:45
Speaker 1: The UK.
26:46
Speaker 16: They put a market cap so you cannot be so
26:49
Speaker 16: powerful you can literally control the whole lot. I have
26:52
Speaker 16: no idea why we haven't done this in this country.
26:55
Speaker 1: To have two players.
26:56
Speaker 16: And then when we're talking about supermarkets, but if we
26:59
Speaker 16: talk about retail, eighty dollars of every one hundred dollars
27:02
Speaker 16: spent in retailing goes to Coles and l Worth. So
27:07
Speaker 16: when you look at it, it's not just a supermarket.
27:09
Speaker 16: It's it's liquor, it's convenience, it's clothing stores. And I
27:15
Speaker 16: think the government has left it far too long. I
27:19
Speaker 16: think we're now in a situation where we're trying to
27:21
Speaker 16: reel back. And we call divestiture powers. You know, I've
27:25
Speaker 16: heard them talk about it. Why don't you actually do
27:27
Speaker 16: something about it? And you can control what opens in
27:31
Speaker 16: the fair market. And it's a little bit hard for
27:34
Speaker 16: an independent player to be competing in a fair market
27:37
Speaker 16: when we know the duopoly is paying ridiculously over the
27:42
Speaker 16: odds for leases and in new developments, and they can
27:46
Speaker 16: afford to lose millions of dollars, where an independent retailer
27:50
Speaker 16: can't stuck up that money to afford to lose millions.
27:53
Speaker 1: Of dollars ongoing.
27:55
Speaker 16: And you want to know what the government needs to
27:56
Speaker 16: do about it, Well, they actually need to do.
27:58
Speaker 1: Something about it.
27:59
Speaker 16: And fortunately, I believe wasting all this money in a
28:02
Speaker 16: price inquiry and trying to tell people what they should
28:05
Speaker 16: price goods at is I don't think it's going to
28:08
Speaker 16: get anywhere. I personally believe that you need to start
28:11
Speaker 16: from the very beginning.
28:13
Speaker 1: Work on that market cap.
28:14
Speaker 16: You did it with the servos, where you pulled those
28:16
Speaker 16: back in line to make sure you couldn't be too big.
28:19
Speaker 16: You need to have a look at it in supermarkets.
28:21
Speaker 16: And is it too late?
28:23
Speaker 1: Kenny?
28:24
Speaker 16: It may be too late, but I'm not sure that
28:27
Speaker 16: this is component. It's more than one thing. And you know,
28:30
Speaker 16: we talk about land banking Cole's we're out there today.
28:33
Speaker 16: They were blatantly saying land banking never done it. When
28:36
Speaker 16: we buy that property, we actually build on it.
28:39
Speaker 1: Yeah.
28:39
Speaker 16: Well, when you pretty much control everything in retailing, maybe
28:42
Speaker 16: you will use that land.
28:44
Speaker 17: But a normal.
28:46
Speaker 16: Independent retailer can't compete on that playing field, and all
28:49
Speaker 16: I am saying it's about an even playing field. Yet
28:53
Speaker 16: this country in a very short time has let five
28:56
Speaker 16: hundred supermarkets open from an overseas investor, an overseas company
29:02
Speaker 16: being AUDI and they had the red carpet given to
29:05
Speaker 16: them so they could easily open those stores. If they
29:08
Speaker 16: were going under the same powers that we are, same situation,
29:11
Speaker 16: the same rules that we go under, they'd still be
29:13
Speaker 16: opening up their hundred store instead of their five hundred store.
29:16
Speaker 16: You know, it's not a fair playing field. And all
29:18
Speaker 16: we're asking is the independent sector is a fair playing
29:21
Speaker 16: field because the price should be determined by people trying
29:25
Speaker 16: to be competitive. Absolutely, and I've said it many times.
29:28
Speaker 16: I've said it many times. Key, if you're not happy
29:31
Speaker 16: with where you're shopping because of what their tactics are,
29:34
Speaker 16: then vote with your feet. That's nothing more powerful than
29:37
Speaker 16: a customer voting with their feet.
29:39
Speaker 1: Vote with your shopping dollars.
29:40
Speaker 2: Thanks very much for joining us, John Paul Drake there
29:42
Speaker 2: from Drake's Supermarks. As you make a lot of point.
29:44
Speaker 2: It's not just about pricing and discounting. In fact, that
29:47
Speaker 2: kind of misses the point. It's about all those other
29:50
Speaker 2: companies and retailing outfits that they own, and they link
29:54
Speaker 2: them all together with loyalty programs and they buy the
29:56
Speaker 2: properties and the land and make it very hard for
29:59
Speaker 2: Independence to co against them. That's where the AH Triple
30:01
Speaker 2: C really needs to get active. Now we're going to
30:04
Speaker 2: have a break on the other side of that, are
30:05
Speaker 2: going to catch.
30:05
Speaker 1: Up with Dick Smith.
30:06
Speaker 2: He's going to talk renewables and energy and the incredible
30:09
Speaker 2: amount of evidence evidence that points to nuclear being a
30:12
Speaker 2: key part of solving our energy dilemma. The energy debate
30:20
Speaker 2: was front and center in parliam again today, with the
30:23
Speaker 2: Coalition attacking Labor for not revealing its emissions reductions target
30:28
Speaker 2: for twenty thirty.
30:28
Speaker 1: Five, and also over the revelation that.
30:31
Speaker 2: Labour's renewables push is going to cost five hundred billion
30:35
Speaker 2: dollars more than they've claimed till now, and Labor scoffs
30:40
Speaker 2: at the cost of nuclear and they went with this response,
30:44
Speaker 2: which of course is nonsense.
30:47
Speaker 7: What is clear in the world today, whether those as
30:50
Speaker 7: that understand it or not, is that the cheapest form
30:54
Speaker 7: of electricity is renewable electricity, and that's why we have
30:58
Speaker 7: got the renewable sector going again.
31:01
Speaker 2: Now, this is just dross of course, as we demonstrate
31:04
Speaker 2: time and time again, it's amazing that this government is
31:06
Speaker 2: proposing laws against misinformation, yet they run these blatant untruths.
31:11
Speaker 1: Have a listener to this one.
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Speaker 7: This government is committed to having our nation climb the
31:19
Speaker 7: technological ladder and face modernity by having a transition to
31:25
Speaker 7: net zero missions by twenty fifty and having more renewables
31:29
Speaker 7: in the grid in a way which is completely.
31:32
Speaker 1: Firmed like, that's what we are doing.
31:34
Speaker 7: Because that is what every responsible economy on the planet
31:38
Speaker 7: is doing.
31:40
Speaker 2: It's just not true. No other country is attempting to
31:44
Speaker 2: do what Australia is doing. No country has done it,
31:46
Speaker 2: and no country is even trying. Let me bring in
31:50
Speaker 2: electronics entrepreneur, adventurer and environmentalist Dick Smith.
31:54
Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Dick. That the government
31:57
Speaker 1: keeps telling us that renewable.
31:59
Speaker 2: Energy is the cheapest form of energy and as you
32:01
Speaker 2: keep arguing and pointing out, it is nonsense.
32:04
Speaker 15: Now it's absolutely rajah. I'm just reading here from renew
32:07
Speaker 15: Economy Charles Parkinson's blog. Side it says csiro slash AEMO
32:13
Speaker 15: study says wind, solar.
32:15
Speaker 1: And storage clearly cheaper than coal. Now it's just not.
32:19
Speaker 15: True because the storage makes it unaffordable.
32:22
Speaker 1: Well, this is something you pointed out. You've had this
32:24
Speaker 1: exchange with the Guardian, which.
32:26
Speaker 2: Has tackled you on some of what you've been saying,
32:29
Speaker 2: and you've written back to them that wouldn't publish it though,
32:32
Speaker 2: But what you said to them made the point very clearly,
32:34
Speaker 2: and that is no doubt. You've noticed all the wind
32:36
Speaker 2: and solar farms that exist around you our country. If
32:40
Speaker 2: the CSIRO claim that wind, solar and storage is the
32:43
Speaker 2: cheapest form of energy.
32:44
Speaker 1: Is correct, these facilities would include.
32:47
Speaker 2: Batteries to supply power twenty four to seven or at
32:50
Speaker 2: least for five hours. None of them do. There's one
32:54
Speaker 2: clear explanation for this. That is the cost of even
32:58
Speaker 2: limited storage results in solar and wind power being so
33:03
Speaker 2: expensive it's unaffordable.
33:04
Speaker 15: Absolutely, what I also pointed out to the Guardian and
33:07
Speaker 15: they wouldn't print. In September, South Australia ended up ninety
33:12
Speaker 15: eight percent on fossil fuels, that's gas and coal ninety
33:16
Speaker 15: eight percent. They've got one percent from battery and one
33:19
Speaker 15: percent from wind. Now why were they in that situation
33:22
Speaker 15: considering the huge amount of money they spent on renewables.
33:25
Speaker 15: The reason was they haven't spent enough money on batteries
33:28
Speaker 15: because the batteries make the electricity unaffordable.
33:31
Speaker 1: Already, the power in.
33:32
Speaker 15: South australia's the most expensive in Australia. It's about fifty
33:36
Speaker 15: percent more expensive than Sydney. Put the batteries in. They
33:40
Speaker 15: have one big battery, the Tesla battery. It costs ninety
33:44
Speaker 15: million dollars and it has the capacity to run out
33:47
Speaker 15: of eight for seven minutes. But my GREENI friends say, oh, Dick, no,
33:51
Speaker 15: it's not designed to do that, is just designed to
33:53
Speaker 15: balance the grid.
33:55
Speaker 1: So I then say to them, all, war's the backup
33:58
Speaker 1: when the.
33:58
Speaker 15: Wind's not blowing, Because obviously in September they had a
34:01
Speaker 15: wind rout, but the batteries were all discharged. So it
34:05
Speaker 15: shows you that you can go to reasonably high levels
34:08
Speaker 15: of wind and.
34:08
Speaker 1: Solar if you're connected to a coal grid, yep, then
34:12
Speaker 1: you're they are.
34:13
Speaker 15: But we're closing the coal grid down. So then what's
34:17
Speaker 15: going to happen when the wind stops blowing.
34:19
Speaker 2: Well, there's only two things that happen. That is that
34:21
Speaker 2: they have to have enough gas fired power to get
34:23
Speaker 2: them through, and they don't at the moment or we
34:26
Speaker 2: go black.
34:27
Speaker 15: The CSRO is claiming in their report that we're going
34:30
Speaker 15: to have ten percent gas.
34:32
Speaker 1: That's not enough. You might need one hundred percent.
34:35
Speaker 15: In South Australia they needed ninety eight percent of fossil
34:39
Speaker 15: fuels despite there's wind farms all across South Australia, but
34:43
Speaker 15: the wind wasn't blowing. And as I said, they've never
34:47
Speaker 15: put enough battery storage in because that makes the electricity
34:51
Speaker 15: totally unaffordable.
34:52
Speaker 2: This is the killer point right, Absolutely, batteries too expensive.
34:55
Speaker 1: You just can't do it.
34:56
Speaker 2: It's too expensive to have enough backup in batteries solute.
35:00
Speaker 2: To have a backup grid, you effectively have to have
35:02
Speaker 2: two grids YEP, a renewable grid that you try and
35:05
Speaker 2: use all the time with the zero emissions, but you
35:08
Speaker 2: have to have.
35:09
Speaker 1: A gas fied grid to back it up gas or coal,
35:11
Speaker 1: and it's got.
35:12
Speaker 2: To be enough to supply your peak demand otherwise you
35:14
Speaker 2: will have blackouts.
35:15
Speaker 15: Well, that's logical what you're saying now.
35:18
Speaker 1: I just want to quickly mention.
35:19
Speaker 15: Lord how Island because they were told just an island
35:22
Speaker 15: off the coast, four hundred people. They were told if
35:24
Speaker 15: you go renewable, all that powers coming from diesel fuel
35:27
Speaker 15: drums and big diesel generator.
35:29
Speaker 1: So they went renewable. They got an eleven.
35:31
Speaker 15: Point eight million dollar subsidy and loan put in the
35:34
Speaker 15: renewable power station. Now they're paying ninety cents to killer
35:38
Speaker 15: what our for their electricity. But wait for it, after
35:41
Speaker 15: three days of cloud cover, which they get occasionally, the
35:44
Speaker 15: battery runs flat and the whole island runs on wait
35:48
Speaker 15: for it, diesel one hundred percent fossil fuels, so three
35:52
Speaker 15: times the price for the electricity and then one hundred
35:55
Speaker 15: percent on fossil fuels. Now, my greeny friends say, I Dick,
35:58
Speaker 15: that's unfair. It's an island in the mainland of Australia.
36:03
Speaker 15: What the CSRO planning is that we have power lines
36:06
Speaker 15: right across the country hopefully wind will be blowing somewhere
36:11
Speaker 15: because they obviously haven't allowed enough battery story because if
36:15
Speaker 15: they did, you couldn't afford the power.
36:18
Speaker 2: The opposite is actually true, because you lose a lot
36:20
Speaker 2: of power in the transmission around the country, don't you,
36:23
Speaker 2: And so if you really should be able to power
36:26
Speaker 2: a place like lord How Island, it should be easier
36:29
Speaker 2: because there's a small demand and you got solar as
36:31
Speaker 2: well as wind, and you had twelve million bucks chucked
36:34
Speaker 2: in there about the li They still can't do it.
36:36
Speaker 15: The lie that the Guardian tells and won't expose is
36:40
Speaker 15: the problem is that storage is incredibly expensive. The prices
36:45
Speaker 15: have never come down enough.
36:47
Speaker 1: Someone has to admit that.
36:48
Speaker 15: The problem I've got is our Prime Minister and our
36:51
Speaker 15: Minister for Climate change believe this claim that reknew was
36:55
Speaker 15: the cheapest form of energy when they're not. So how
36:58
Speaker 15: are we going to get the truth out?
37:00
Speaker 1: That's what worries. Yeah, the truth matters here not there's zelotry.
37:03
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again, DICKO. Appreciate it.
37:05
Speaker 2: Dick Smith there he's featuring Tomorrow Night and Chris Human's
37:08
Speaker 2: documentary The Real Cost of Net Zero. That's eight o'clock
37:11
Speaker 2: Eastern time here on Sky News tomorrow night.
37:14
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to go to the break again.
37:15
Speaker 2: On the other side, I'm going to catch up with
37:17
Speaker 2: Stephen Galilee and also going to talk about Trump marching
37:20
Speaker 2: with fossil fuels. Now Australia is set to fall in
37:23
Speaker 2: behind Labour's renewables push?
37:25
Speaker 1: Are we going in the wrong direction?
37:31
Speaker 2: Now, let's stay on energy for a bit because the
37:33
Speaker 2: colon gas industries are fighting back against the federal government's
37:36
Speaker 2: race to renewables, with Woodside launching a campaign to back
37:41
Speaker 2: reliable energy.
37:42
Speaker 18: Have a look Gas like the natural gas produced by
37:45
Speaker 18: Australia's Woodside helps meet one of the great challenges facing
37:49
Speaker 18: the transition to more renewable energy like wind and solo,
37:54
Speaker 18: because gas can provide a reliable source of energy for
37:57
Speaker 18: when renewables.
37:58
Speaker 1: You can't meet.
38:01
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the boss of mining, Johant Glencore says we need
38:04
Speaker 2: to use coal for longer to keep the lights on
38:07
Speaker 2: and keep prices low and remain competitive. Let's bring in
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Speaker 2: Stephen Galilee, the CEO of the New South Wales Minerals Council.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Steven.
38:15
Speaker 2: It's good to see the fossil fuels industry fighting.
38:18
Speaker 1: Back with these facts.
38:19
Speaker 2: Really just reminding people of how badly we need them.
38:23
Speaker 2: I kind of think it's better late than never, but
38:25
Speaker 2: they should have been doing this ten fifteen years ago,
38:27
Speaker 2: because people need to be educated about how this system works.
38:32
Speaker 17: Well, Chris, we've been doing it for some time now,
38:35
Speaker 17: certainly as long as I've been in this job, pointing
38:37
Speaker 17: out some of the issues and the reality about the
38:39
Speaker 17: transition and the comments that we're seeing from Garynage and
38:43
Speaker 17: others are just reflecting the reality of what's going on
38:46
Speaker 17: around the world. I mean, sure countries are building out
38:48
Speaker 17: a lot of renewable energy capacity, and they're doing other
38:52
Speaker 17: energy forms of installation like nuclear as well. No one
38:55
Speaker 17: is doing it on a scale at ninety two percent
38:58
Speaker 17: scale of renewable energy spirations that our national government has.
39:02
Speaker 17: And at the same time, global energy demand continues to increase,
39:05
Speaker 17: So can build as much renewables as you like, but
39:08
Speaker 17: you've got to do a lot of other stuff as
39:09
Speaker 17: well to meet that demand. In relation to global coal consumption,
39:13
Speaker 17: we've just had two record years of global coal consumption
39:16
Speaker 17: and that's driven by that increased global energy demand. Other
39:20
Speaker 17: countries are doing these builds of renewables as well, but
39:23
Speaker 17: they're encountering the same issues we are, and that is
39:26
Speaker 17: this stuff is hard, it's expensive, it's not going to
39:28
Speaker 17: happen as fast as the politicians are telling it that
39:31
Speaker 17: it's going to happen. And you can only run from
39:34
Speaker 17: reality so long, Chris, Reality eventually catches up with you
39:37
Speaker 17: on these issues, and that's what we're seeing.
39:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is the point, you know, If we're
39:41
Speaker 2: just shutting down the coal fired powerstations and not opening
39:43
Speaker 2: enough gas, we are.
39:45
Speaker 1: Going to get caught short. There's nothing sure.
39:47
Speaker 2: And even our EMO, which is full on board with
39:52
Speaker 2: this transition and driving it, they keep warning that there's
39:55
Speaker 2: not enough generation there, whereas in the US, of course,
39:57
Speaker 2: you've got Trump saying drill, drill, drill, America energy self
40:02
Speaker 2: sufficient with all the gas druling they're doing here.
40:05
Speaker 1: What is the answer here?
40:06
Speaker 2: Is it enough to keep our existing coal generators going
40:10
Speaker 2: or do we need to build new coal fired generation
40:13
Speaker 2: to get us through in addition to new gas fire generation.
40:18
Speaker 17: Well, the first step, and what we've seen from state
40:20
Speaker 17: governments in Victoria, New South Wales, is to make sure
40:23
Speaker 17: that our current capacity, which is our col fired power fleet,
40:27
Speaker 17: is not closed before replacement capacity is ready. So we've
40:30
Speaker 17: seen the extension of power station operating lives in Victoria
40:34
Speaker 17: and more recently here in New South Wales with the
40:36
Speaker 17: rating too. The second issue I think that you raise
40:40
Speaker 17: is we shouldn't be ruling out future forms of energy generation.
40:45
Speaker 17: Gas development has been proven to be very problematic because
40:49
Speaker 17: of the activists and the environmental warfare, and we've got
40:51
Speaker 17: the Santos Narrabriye project, for example, that's been under development
40:55
Speaker 17: in some form or.
40:55
Speaker 1: Another frav a decade.
40:57
Speaker 17: We've got politicians ruling out other forms of potential baseload energy,
41:01
Speaker 17: in particularly nuclear power with the band that's in place,
41:04
Speaker 17: so we've got one of the most if not the
41:07
Speaker 17: most ambitious renewable energy experiments going on in the world
41:10
Speaker 17: here in Australia. We've got politicians telling us we've got
41:13
Speaker 17: to shut our existing baseload quicker than what is going
41:16
Speaker 17: to be possible. And we've got the same politicians ruling
41:18
Speaker 17: out what could replace that without allowing us to have
41:21
Speaker 17: a proper argument about it and a debate about the
41:23
Speaker 17: merits or otherwise.
41:24
Speaker 1: It is madness.
41:25
Speaker 2: It is literally madness as you outline it there, Stephen.
41:28
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us again, Stephen Galilee there from the
41:31
Speaker 2: New South Wales Minerals Council. It is our national energy
41:35
Speaker 2: self harm. It is continuing apace and we're not going
41:39
Speaker 2: to stop warning people about it.
41:40
Speaker 1: I don't care.
41:41
Speaker 2: How green you are, how much you want to save
41:44
Speaker 2: the planet. We need energy and Australia is not going
41:47
Speaker 2: to save the planet, so we need to make sure
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Speaker 2: we keep the lights on while we make this transition.
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Speaker 1: To renewables or renewables plus nuclear or whatever. Got to
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Speaker 1: get to a break. On the other side of Gematon
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Speaker 1: Uni and Caroline duris So join me.
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Speaker 2: We'll talk about cash remaining king as the federal government
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Speaker 2: enforces cash mandates now for a lot of essential businesses. Also,
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Speaker 2: study finds the lure of red meat might come down
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Speaker 2: to not just great taste, but something a little bit
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Speaker 2: more primitive.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sold.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's sort out the world now with Gematon Uni
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Speaker 2: on the desk with it here from GT Communications, Gemma
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Speaker 2: and Caroline Durrisso, host of the Royal Port, joins us
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Speaker 2: from Perth. Hey, Caroline, cash, the federal government's going to
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Speaker 2: save us from the demise of cash. Do you think
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Speaker 2: it's important to make sure we can still use cash
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Speaker 2: around the place?
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Speaker 19: Will you speak to my cultural soul when you talk
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Speaker 19: about cash, Chris So, of course, I'm always I'm always
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Speaker 19: going to be in favor of it. And obviously when
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Speaker 19: you go into a business and you pay with cash,
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Speaker 19: you know the banks aren't taking a clip on the
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Speaker 19: way through. And I know there's been plenty of discussion
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Speaker 19: around things like merchant fees.
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Speaker 9: So I think we.
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Speaker 19: Should always be able to use cash. People should be
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Speaker 19: able to choose. But the other side to this coin
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Speaker 19: is that we still need to be able to take
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Speaker 19: it out from the bank. So it's one thing ensuring
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Speaker 19: that businesses allow people to use cash, but it's you know,
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Speaker 19: they can't use cash if they can't get it accessing it,
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Speaker 19: so we actually to make sure that people can get
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Speaker 19: a hold of it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're actually bank branches. I don't know whether they
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Speaker 2: call them branches or offices. Now some of them don't
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Speaker 2: have cash. I mean, you don't see the banking you
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Speaker 2: can't get cash. Here's what Jim Charmer says about it.
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Speaker 12: We're making sure that people can pay cash for essentials
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Speaker 12: if they want to, and if they need to. Cash
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Speaker 12: can be a really important lifeline. It can be an
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Speaker 12: important backup. It gives people peace of mind.
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Speaker 2: Jim right took a lot of us run the impression
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Speaker 2: that they had to accept legal tender anyway.
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Speaker 5: But well, my understanding of the law, and I'm sure
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Speaker 5: someone will correct me if I'm wrong, is that if
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Speaker 5: you don't accept cash, then needs to be a sign
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Speaker 5: so that you can advise. I was getting a coffee
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Speaker 5: this morning, in the city and I went to pay
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Speaker 5: with cash and they said, well, we don't take cash,
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Speaker 5: and because I was in a hurry, I didn't argue
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Speaker 5: with them. Part of me is cynical in the sense that,
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Speaker 5: like Caroline, it speaks to my ethnic soul. My not
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Speaker 5: all buried money in the guarden like generations of Italian
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Speaker 5: and Italian did. But it feels a little bit like
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Speaker 5: a diversion to me. Like, you know, if I was
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Speaker 5: more cynical than I liked to be, I'd be like, well,
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Speaker 5: what good is preserving cash if people can't pay their
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Speaker 5: bills anymore?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, helped me with the cost of living first point.
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Speaker 5: And it seems to me a really odd policy issue
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Speaker 5: for this government to try and prosecute at this time.
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Speaker 5: It's like, hey, everything's burning down over there, but hey,
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Speaker 5: we're going to give you cash. It doesn't make anything.
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Speaker 2: Everything they're doing at the moment is a little sort
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Speaker 2: of insta push for us of populist votes. I think
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Speaker 2: let's just have a look at what Jason Claire, the
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Speaker 2: Education Minister, has had to say about the Middle East.
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Speaker 1: You can't bomb your way to peace.
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Speaker 20: I think the last twelve months have shown us that
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Speaker 20: the bombing has killed tens of thousands of people in
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Speaker 20: Gaza in Lebanon, more than a thousand people murdered in
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Speaker 20: Israel as well.
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Speaker 1: And what this is.
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Speaker 20: About is building momentum to a two state solution. You know,
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Speaker 20: we need to end the killing and start the talking, just.
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Speaker 2: To quick hit on this jem, because we can't spend
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Speaker 2: all night on it. But bombing your way to peace,
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Speaker 2: I mean you're defending yourself and trying to get.
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Speaker 1: Rid of terrorists.
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Speaker 5: What this is is about politics and nothing more. And respectfully,
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Speaker 5: Minister Claire should be ashamed of that comment. It is populist,
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Speaker 5: it is inaccurate, and it is so disrespectful to the
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Speaker 5: Israeli people who have a right to defend themselves.
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Speaker 1: And if you don't think you can.
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Speaker 5: Bomb your way to peaceful World War II says hello, minister.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, spot on.
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Speaker 2: Now I want to go to something slightly more flippant,
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Speaker 2: heer Caroline and get your input on it, because there's
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Speaker 2: a survey about why blokes like red meat. And you know,
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Speaker 2: I thought it was because it tastes great and it
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Speaker 2: goes very well with a glass of the South Australian red.
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Speaker 2: But apparently it's all about where you know we're conditioned
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Speaker 2: to crave red meat because it adds to our massculinity
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Speaker 2: and our sexual prowess. Have you got any evidence through
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Speaker 2: friends and others to back up this clay?
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Speaker 1: Where do you stand on this one? Karrol?
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Speaker 19: I feel like this is some really really you know,
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Speaker 19: strained narrative framing. If you say, do you think that
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Speaker 19: eating red meat gives you.
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Speaker 1: Lots of energy?
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Speaker 19: Do you feel like you know that you don't snack
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Speaker 19: as much and whatever, Well, then yeah it does. And
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Speaker 19: it'll come to no surprise to the people watching this
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Speaker 19: show that I'm a huge meat eater and when you
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Speaker 19: have a really good substantive meal, you do have good energy.
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Speaker 19: I mean it's been framed like this because you know,
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Speaker 19: men are all terrible, and if blokes are around having
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Speaker 19: a barbecue together, well then they must be planning some
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Speaker 19: sort of terrible sexist revolution. So it's the idea that
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Speaker 19: meat is good for you. Yes, The idea that it's
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Speaker 19: some toxic male trait is just horse manure.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot in that, isn't there.
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Speaker 5: It's Pete Melbourne though, I mean brand, You've got to
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Speaker 5: give it to them their own brand. I mean, look,
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Speaker 5: I tried to be a vegetarian once. I lasted forty
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Speaker 5: eight hours.
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Speaker 2: My son, my son, my youngest sonn you know, he lasted.
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Speaker 2: He decided he was going to be a vegetarian. He
47:30
Speaker 2: lasted about twenty minutes because next stup after leaving the
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Speaker 2: farm was Bunnings, and.
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Speaker 1: He fell in for the sausage.
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Speaker 2: And apparently there's a rumor there's some meat in some
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Speaker 2: of those sausages.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes I've got to share with you both and with
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Speaker 1: you all.
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Speaker 2: This clip that's going viral a bit at the moment
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Speaker 2: relates to Donald Trump, and firstly this comment from the
47:50
Speaker 2: defeated vice presidential candidate Tim Walls.
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Speaker 15: All the things that wake me maud about those other
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Speaker 15: guys and all the things they do wrong, the one
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Speaker 15: thing that I will not forgive them for is they're
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Speaker 15: trying to steal the joy from this country.
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Speaker 11: Hold wait a minute, certainly.
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Speaker 1: Wait wait a minute. All right, they're taking the joy
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Speaker 1: out of the country.
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Speaker 2: He said, a look at what Donald Trump seems to
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Speaker 2: be doing to joy.
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Speaker 5: Comes iconic dance moves are sweeping the internet and winning
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Speaker 5: him a lot of fans across the globe.
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Speaker 1: Just talk about toxic masculinity. Character.
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Speaker 2: He's come up with a dance that every man can
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Speaker 2: actually do.
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Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, correct, because most people can actually manage that
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Speaker 19: level of rhythm, even all the white guys in America.
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Speaker 1: So you know, well done. But who knew?
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Speaker 19: Who knew how much fun life could be when you're
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Speaker 19: dancing the seventies music and not self immolating under your
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Speaker 19: virtue signaling?
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Speaker 5: I mean, who knew?
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Speaker 2: Who knew we'd be doing Village People as a political
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Speaker 2: story in twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 5: I'm here for it this year as it served up
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Speaker 5: a whole bunch of weird and wonderful.
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Speaker 1: Things in my life.
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Speaker 5: So I feel like this is again very much on brand.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're killing off Christmas, so come back with the
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Speaker 2: Village People in YMCA.
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Speaker 5: I only have one dance moves, that's it.
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Speaker 1: Even I can do that. I can do that. Thanks
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Speaker 1: for joining us, Caroline and Jemma. We'll catch you again
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Speaker 1: next week.
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Speaker 2: Just might have time, Yes, we just a bit of
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Speaker 2: time for some of your feedback from what we had
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Speaker 2: to say last week on the program, and in particular
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Speaker 2: this bloke I said should be made Australian of the Year,
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Speaker 2: and Malcolm Douglas says that he's a legend. By this
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Speaker 2: man a beer fair enough and Malcolm says good man.
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Speaker 2: I agree he should have the Australian of the Year title,
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Speaker 2: and one more says he should run for politics, with
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Speaker 2: the slogan for those who have had enough spot on,
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Speaker 2: thanks for joining us, I'll be back tomorrow night.
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Speaker 1: He's a bit of guidlin
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Speaker 5: H.