Latest / Gospel Talks Podcast / #94 - Is Being Holy Good or Bad For Evangelism? Dare to Be Different So You Can Make a Difference (Part 1)
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- 0:00I don't know if you're like me and sometimes you've thought,
- 0:02when I'm an evangelist or evangelizing,
- 0:04it's almost better to be cool than holy.
- 0:07And yet Christians are called to be different,
- 0:10which is not to mean Christians are called to be weird,
- 0:12but we are called to be holy in a w in this world,
- 0:14be in the world, not of the world.
- 0:15And sometimes I've wondered, is that a good thing for evangelism or is that
- 0:19a bad thing for evangelism?
- 0:21Are we to be holy when we're evangelizing?
- 0:24We don't often put those ideas together,
- 0:26but should they be together? And if you've wondered about any of this,
- 0:29how are you supposed to act around an unbeliever?
- 0:31Should you do what they do to win them?
- 0:34Then this episode is for you. And I am so looking forward to it.
- 0:42Welcome
- 0:42everybody to Gospel Talks Podcast,
- 0:44where we help Christians all over the world become more effective
- 0:47in relational evangelism and discipleship.
- 0:50My name is George Binocca and I am your co host and with me today is Jeff Musgrave.
- 0:55He is the author, the founder,
- 0:57and the leader of the Exchange and all its ministries and books.
- 1:01And so so glad to have him on.
- 1:03Jeff, how you doing, man?
- 1:04Doing good. Good good to talk to you,
- 1:06George.
- 1:06Good to talk to you too.
- 1:08it's it's raining here and the the heat kind of broke because of the rain,
- 1:12but we're getting a lot of rain right now and ~ and so we're we're thankful
- 1:16for that. But we're not thankful for the humidity that combines with
- 1:19a hundred and five degree heat.
- 1:21That is a a brutal formula.
- 1:23Yeah. We actually probably got your heat wave.
- 1:26It's it's I'm in Denver and it's ~ it's quite warm here,
- 1:29but we're you're sending us your rain.
- 1:31I think we're supposed to get it towards the weekend and next week,
- 1:34so
- 1:34Good, good. Enjoy.
- 1:36We need
- 1:36it badly. We've had you probably heard we have had horrendous fires.
- 1:41Really.
- 1:42yeah, just it seem it almost feels like half the state's on fire,
- 1:45but yeah, we've had really bad fires.
- 1:47So we're we're glad for some rain.
- 1:48Yeah, I think there's a ton of fires in the southwest,
- 1:51which is not good. Not good. ~ so we need to be praying for folks.
- 1:55We we have some friends who've evacuated because of fires and floods
- 1:58and things like that. well, I'll jump right in with you.
- 2:01I think this is such an important topic.
- 2:03we're gonna be titling it, Dare to be different,
- 2:05so you can make a difference. This call to be different as a Christian,
- 2:11in your opinion.
- 2:12What's that all about?
- 2:13You know, when I was a kid, I learned a song,
- 2:15this little light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine.
- 2:19And and really what that song was talking about was what Jesus said when he says,
- 2:24You are the light of the world.
- 2:26And then it goes on and tells us,
- 2:28let your light shine before others so that they see your good works
- 2:32and give glory to your Father which is in heaven.
- 2:35So that I
- 2:36Being different is nothing more than and really nothing less than demonstrating
- 2:42to the world who Jesus is as he lives his life through us.
- 2:46That's that's the picture that Jesus is giving to us when he calls us
- 2:51the light of the world.
- 2:52Mm, mm, I love that. I think that is an important truth that holiness
- 2:58is not God's holiness is not contaminated by sin,
- 3:02and that holiness is actually an an offensive tool ~ where it can take
- 3:06us on the offense and and and holiness is not just about building fences
- 3:10or barriers. It is the thing that enables us to go into the world.
- 3:14And so I I love that song we all sing.
- 3:17as kids. So ~ so anything else to help us understand that concept
- 3:21of this little light of mine.
- 3:23Well, Peter and the passage we're gonna really focus on today ~ is
- 3:27in first Peter chapter two, if anyone wants to look at it,
- 3:30it's verses eleven and twelve.
- 3:32And Peter kind of refers back to these things in in he doesn't use the word light,
- 3:37but as I read it, I think you'll be able to see ~ why I referred to that.
- 3:42beloved, I urge you as sojourners and exiles.
- 3:46To abstain from the passions of the flesh which wage war against your soul,
- 3:52keep your conduct among the Gentiles honorable,
- 3:56so that when they speak against you as evildoers,
- 3:59they may see your good works or good deeds,
- 4:01excuse me, and glorify God on the day of visitation.
- 4:05And so the idea here is that as we live differently,
- 4:10we can demonstrate to others the real glory of God and help them to see.
- 4:14the source and the reason for our difference.
- 4:17So then how are we supposed to act as followers of Christ?
- 4:21I mean, especially around non-believers.
- 4:23I guess no, that's a bad question.
- 4:25How we supposed to act, period?
- 4:26And and I think I should probably tell everybody the idea for this particular
- 4:32~ episode ~ came from a Alistair Begg devotional.
- 4:37And he every day he sends out a devotional.
- 4:40And on July 5th, he ~ asked that specific questions.
- 4:44I mean, literally he started his devotional with how are Jesus followers supposed
- 4:50to act?
- 4:50And he went on to say it's a vital question,
- 4:53and the answer is both simple and challenging.
- 4:55We are called to be different,
- 4:57different from those who don't follow Jesus.
- 5:01And ~ I I should warn everybody,
- 5:03George, I we plan to talk about this in a deductive manner.
- 5:08In other words, what we're gonna do is we're gonna start with the premise
- 5:12and we're gonna purposely attempt to prove the validity of the premise as we
- 5:17as we w talk.
- 5:18about it. But I I feel like inductive study of scripture is far more profitable
- 5:24to us. And so I urge every single person who's listening to actively pursue this
- 5:29topic inductively as they study through the entirety of Scripture.
- 5:34So maybe just let it for the next year kind of be a background question that
- 5:40I'm asking myself. How are
- 5:42Followers of Jesus supposed to live.
- 5:44Here's where we're going to start and ultimately finish.
- 5:48And this also is an Alistair Begg quote.
- 5:51In fact, this is the quote that really stirred my heart to say,
- 5:55hey, I want to talk about this.
- 5:57He says, Will I love this world enough to be quite unlike this world that I might
- 6:04Point
- 6:04the people of this world towards a better one.
- 6:07And I I just feel like he really stated that,
- 6:11well, we have to be different from this world because our lives belong
- 6:15in and are aiming toward another world.
- 6:19We want to be able to live in such a way that we influence other people
- 6:22to go with us.
- 6:22Hm. I love that. ~ going back to your quote of Peter,
- 6:26~ from from from the apostles book there in the New Testament,
- 6:31he
- 6:31Yeah.
- 6:32he describes Christians as sojourners and exiles in that passage I notice.
- 6:35What does it mean to what does it actually mean to live like a foreigner
- 6:40in your own culture? And this is such an important question for us as Christians.
- 6:44It it impacts me as a pastor, the answer to this question.
- 6:47in and it impacts your church,
- 6:49those of you that are listening.
- 6:50But what what does that actually mean biblically?
- 6:52You know, I love the phrase living life on mission.
- 6:55In other words, we're we're focusing our living on the mission God sent us to.
- 7:01He sent us to invite other people to go to heaven with us.
- 7:04And when I have been on mission trips,
- 7:08you lived on a mission trip when you started a church in Nairobi.
- 7:12so whenever you're in a ~
- 7:15Foreign culture. everything around you is different.
- 7:18And it reminds you constantly that you're there for a purpose.
- 7:23And I I love, I actually feel like mission trips are a little easier
- 7:27to live on mission because I'm constantly being reminded by the feel of the air,
- 7:33by the smell of the air, by the way people are dressing,
- 7:37talking, acting.
- 7:39And I actually think that what God wants us to do is recognize we
- 7:44our citizenship is in heaven. And if
- 7:46Mm.
- 7:47we would compare the world we're going to live in to the world we currently live in,
- 7:53we would recognize a drastic difference.
- 7:56And those differences are supposed to be making us feel uncomfortable here.
- 8:02I I read in Second Corinthians chapter five,
- 8:04the first ten verses, and I recognize that God tells us that we're literally
- 8:09moaning, groaning in this world.
- 8:11~ when when I get my aches and pangs of of ~ growing a little older,
- 8:17I it it reminds me of of that verse.
- 8:20God didn't make me for this world,
- 8:21he made me for another world. And my home is
- 8:25Is in heaven. That's the real citizenship that I have.
- 8:28And everything in this world that is not like that world ought to make
- 8:32me homesick for that world. And that homesickness ought to drive
- 8:36me to recognize there are a lot of people here that don't know about there.
- 8:41There's a lot of people on this world that don't know about heaven,
- 8:44that don't know about Jesus. And those differences ought to be driving me.
- 8:50And so as I live differently.
- 8:52Because I'm a citizen of a different world,
- 8:54then I think it gives me opportunity to talk.
- 8:56Hmm. So when people hear the phrase Christians should be different,
- 9:00I think they're tempted to think of a lot of things.
- 9:02they're tempted to sometimes where the Bible says be different,
- 9:05they're tempted to r read weird.
- 9:07Sometimes where the Bible says different,
- 9:09they're tempted to think of a r list of rules.
- 9:11Is that what Peter is talking about in the context is a list of rules,
- 9:15morality? What do you believe he's saying right there?
- 9:18Yeah, ca I'm I'm gonna actually look up a a Bible verse here because Peter used
- 9:23in the passage a verse ~ just in verse nine.
- 9:27So we quoted verses ~ eleven and twelve.
- 9:32Verse nine says, But you are a chosen race,
- 9:36a royal priesthood, a holy nation,
- 9:40a people.
- 9:41For his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies
- 9:47of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.
- 9:52So that's really the picture of what you and I are are talking about when we're
- 9:58trying to help people recognize that God wants us to live a different kind of life.
- 10:03so you asked the question.
- 10:04what are we supposed to be thinking when we hear the word ~ Christian should
- 10:09be different? And this is another quote from Alistair Begg that I thought
- 10:12was very helpful. It's as if God is saying,
- 10:15You're my people, you belong to me.
- 10:18I want you to delight in being set apart.
- 10:21In other words, my being set apart is not I'm weird.
- 10:25My my being set apart is that God chose me as his own.
- 10:28I'm part of his bride. And and that is a beautiful,
- 10:32delightful place to be. And God wants me to delight in that.
- 10:36Hmm. I love that. That's you know,
- 10:38I I wish for every Christian believer listening to this,
- 10:41they would just grab on to that statement that it's a delight and not a punishment.
- 10:46And some people feel like it's a punishment that they've been called
- 10:49to be different, and they they kind of kick against the pricks,
- 10:52so to speak. and I and I just,
- 10:53you know, I I myself need to do better on seeing it that way as a delight.
- 10:58So
- 10:59Then in in your opinion, what's the difference between behavioral modification,
- 11:04which is disingenuine to an extent,
- 11:06and genuine heart transformation?
- 11:09Because we don't want to come across as we're faking it till we We're faking
- 11:13it till they make it to the to the kingdom,
- 11:15you know? And then after that it's like,
- 11:16hey, like we're actually we we do this stuff too.
- 11:19But no, like there has to be some genuine heart transformation.
- 11:23I mean, we we we
- 11:24either really believe this stuff or we don't and what's the difference there?
- 11:27How do we make sure we end up genuine?
- 11:29Yeah. Well, I if when I think of change,
- 11:32so when I think of how I as a believer ought to behave slash change,
- 11:38~ I the phrase that comes to my mind is manifesting Christ.
- 11:44So that I get that phrase from ~ Second Corinthians beginning in about chapter two,
- 11:49verse fourteen, where it talks about the fragrance of Christ.
- 11:52We've talked about that many times.
- 11:53All
- 11:53the way through the end of chapter seven,
- 11:55somewhere in there. And in the middle of that,
- 11:58in 2 Corinthians chapter 3 and verse 18,
- 12:01he uses a phrase: We all with unveiled face,
- 12:05beholding the glory of the Lord,
- 12:08are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another,
- 12:13for this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.
- 12:18And so this is talking about real genuine transformation in the Christian's life.
- 12:24And notice the tense here. We are being transformed.
- 12:29So that it's it's that's a passive.
- 12:32That's not something I actually do.
- 12:35It's not that I am sitting around thinking in terms of how do I transform my life?
- 12:41What behavioral modifications do I need?
- 12:43Notice.
- 12:43The action. It says, but we all with unveiled unveiled face,
- 12:48beholding the glory of the Lord.
- 12:50And so our action is literally gazing on the glorious face of the Lord.
- 12:55And as we focus on God, He changes us more and more to be like Him.
- 13:01So it it's it's actually not about an external.
- 13:05It
- 13:05Mm.
- 13:05it shows up in externals.
- 13:07But it's about us becoming more and more like God.
- 13:11Hmm. I what I love, we were talking about just before we came
- 13:14on and started recording in the studio,
- 13:16is that it's important the four attributes of God,
- 13:19the four truths about a God that about God that are the foundation
- 13:22of the gospel that we use in the exchange to be the four chapters
- 13:26to present the gospel and introduce people to Jesus,
- 13:28that we embody those attributes and present them.
- 13:32Yeah, yeah.
- 13:34And in fact, if that's really who God is,
- 13:37I mean, if we're really being genuine in in introducing people to him,
- 13:42that's who God is. Then
- 13:43Mm.
- 13:43when we focus our attention on God and He makes us more and more like Him,
- 13:49then we will become more and more holy.
- 13:52We will become more and more just and loving and gracious.
- 13:57I mean those things
- 13:58That are true about God, Hans to produce in us.
- 14:01Yeah. Yeah. You know, what's so incredible about holiness is that it
- 14:06is just an absolute essential part of the Christian life.
- 14:09But some people feel like, you know,
- 14:11holiness is just that thing for mature believers.
- 14:13new believers or young believers or some believers or all the believers that aren't
- 14:18pastors or deacons, you don't really have to be that holy.
- 14:22We get it. You know,
- 14:24i it's okay, you're just doing what everybody else does in the world.
- 14:27But why is it so essential to Christianity,
- 14:31this pursuit of holiness?
- 14:32Yeah, well, I I I think that the probably the biggest reason is because God said to.
- 14:38When and the reason he said to,
- 14:40I mean he said it back in Leviticus,
- 14:41he quotes it Peter quotes it in first chapter one of this same book.
- 14:46and ~ he says, Be holy like God is holy.
- 14:49And ~ the it it's i it Jesus said it this way,
- 14:53be perfect as your father in heaven is perfect.
- 14:57And I
- 14:57I think that we kind of balk from the concept of holy because we have
- 15:02to balk from the concept of whole of perfect.
- 15:05I mean, we're not perfect. So how do how do we do that?
- 15:09Well, I do think there's a progression.
- 15:11I I think that God makes us more like Himself every single day.
- 15:16But every single time we fall short of what we know God wants us to be,
- 15:21the only
- 15:22way we can respond to that in a in an appropriate,
- 15:25proper way is to repent. I actually think the greatest attribute of
- 15:30a person who's following Jesus is the humility to constantly repent.
- 15:35constantly recognize that's that's not Jesus living through me.
- 15:41That's my flesh. That's the way I live.
- 15:43And so justice is only one attribute of God.
- 15:46The the ju excuse me, I I I'm being a little dyslexic here and saying
- 15:51one thing and looking at another.
- 15:52holiness is not the only thing.
- 15:54I mean, it it is certainly the basis,
- 15:56but you know, in a world of injustice,
- 15:59God wants believers to become more and more like him in regards to justice.
- 16:04That when we see someone being treated unjustly,
- 16:07that we become part of the of the solution there and say,
- 16:10No, wait a minute, this is
- 16:11It's not appropriate. This is not just.
- 16:14And so believers are not just a negative force in the world of,
- 16:18you know, you're not like me, so you're bad.
- 16:20it is literally us showing people who God is by our desires.
- 16:25We want justice for people. That the next attribute of God that we're constantly
- 16:29talking about is God's love. And I'm just telling you if we want to be different,
- 16:35to make a difference, learning how to love God first.
- 16:38And love others like ourselves,
- 16:40we'll change ourselves and it'll change the world around us.
- 16:44And then all of this has to flow from God.
- 16:47God is gracious. He gives us that ability.
- 16:50We show graciousness by ~ giving people room to grow,
- 16:55to room to change, seeing the best in them,
- 16:58wanting the best for them. But I actually think it ha has to also reflect
- 17:02the fact that we know it's not about us.
- 17:04~
- 17:05You
- 17:05know, John 15, the reason that we can easily say this is not just
- 17:10us putting on actions is Jesus said,
- 17:14Abide in me and I in you, as the branch cannot bear fruit by itself unless
- 17:20it abides in the vine, neither can you unless you abide in me.
- 17:23So the only way you and I are ever going to be holy is to abide in Jesus.
- 17:27And let him produce his holiness through us and same thing with justice
- 17:31and love and grace.
- 17:33So in Peter's epistle, and you you just made mention of this just a second
- 17:37ago in your comments, but but even going back to that verse,
- 17:40he says, We're supposed to abstain from the passions of the flesh flesh because they
- 17:44wage war against our souls. But what does that look like in everyday life?
- 17:48Because there's some people that are probably going,
- 17:49Okay, you guys are talking up here.
- 17:51Now bring it like down here and tell me what to do.
- 17:54You know, what does this actually look like in real life?
- 17:57Speaking of of bringing it down here,
- 17:59I I just taught the children of our church in vacation bible school.
- 18:03It was super fun. And we talked about the the great flood and Noah's Ark.
- 18:09And
- 18:09Hm.
- 18:10~ one of the phrases that we used over and over and over is
- 18:15sin is not safe.
- 18:18Hm.
- 18:19we see a sin as ~
- 18:21Pursuing something that looks really yummy to eat,
- 18:24you know, like this sinfully
- 18:25Mm.
- 18:25delicious dessert. And the fact is,
- 18:27it's not safe, it's dangerous.
- 18:29sin has a life of its own, and it is
- 18:31Hm.
- 18:31seeking to have mastery over us.
- 18:33The very first time we see the mention of sin in scripture in Genesis 4,
- 18:38~ verse 7, it gives us this picture of an animal crouching,
- 18:42ready to pounce and destroy. Adrian Rogers.
- 18:45used to say sin will take you further than you want to go,
- 18:48keep you longer than you want to stay,
- 18:49Yep. Yep. Yep.
- 18:50and cost you more than you want to pay.
- 18:52And
- 18:53~ we just all need to recognize that sin is waging war against us.
- 18:58It's trying to destroy us. It's trying to kill us.
- 19:01The wages of sin, what we earn because of our sin is death.
- 19:05And and sin is constantly encroaching upon us.
- 19:09And so I I you you ask how do you s how do you
- 19:12see that in in day to day life.
- 19:14Well, maybe I should tell you how I see it in my life.
- 19:17When I begin to see attitudes and actions come out of my brain,
- 19:22out of my mouth, out of my lifestyle that I know are not the fruit of the spirit.
- 19:27I know it's not gentle and patient and kind and loving and
- 19:32and joyful and peaceful. I I know that's not Christ.
- 19:36then I have to recognize that's not the Christ life.
- 19:39That's the Jeff life. And so whether it is a sin of gross immorality
- 19:45or whether it is a sin of losing your temper when it's not appropriate,
- 19:50Mm.
- 19:51we have to recognize that's flesh.
- 19:52And that flesh is destroying me.
- 19:54It's trying to destroy me. Sin
- 19:57is is doing its work. And so number first,
- 20:00the first part of is recognizing the flesh,
- 20:03seeing it. And I think that the sooner we see it,
- 20:06the the less damage it does. And then being committed to repent and return
- 20:11to Jesus and let his life rule through me.
- 20:14I love that. letting Christ's life live through you.
- 20:17I mean, it I mean, that is the commitment that Jesus I think about the call
- 20:21of Levi to Jesus, and Levi gives everything up and then invites all
- 20:25his friends to come hear the same message and says,
- 20:27I will follow you. And I mean,
- 20:29that's really it in enough in a nutshell that I'm giving up my lifestyle
- 20:33or an entitlement to a lifestyle of my own.
- 20:35In saying, I will now abide by his lifestyle,
- 20:39making Jesus,
- 20:39Yeah, that's really good.
- 20:40you know, it's so this is so helpful to us as Christians.
- 20:43Now, the question, I guess, then comes in my mind is how
- 20:45can Christians engage culture,
- 20:48which is nothing like Jesus, because culture fell in Genesis chapter three?
- 20:52How can how can and Christian culture is not all evil either?
- 20:56But how can Christians engage a culture that is good and
- 21:00bad without becoming absorbed?
- 21:02Buy it.
- 21:02Yeah. And I think the answer is love.
- 21:04~ God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son and
- 21:09he literally sent Jesus into a sinful world.
- 21:13And he did it because of love.
- 21:15And so if if we live out of a God motive of love.
- 21:19~ then then it our life is going to be different.
- 21:21And and remember the great commandment is to love the Lord with all of your being.
- 21:26And then the second one is like it to love your neighbor as yourself.
- 21:30And so frankly, when we get absorbed by the culture,
- 21:35or maybe I should say it this way,
- 21:37let culture cultural is absorption.
- 21:39We're we're taking it in. ~ literally what we're doing is we're loving self.
- 21:44We're we're we're living for self,
- 21:46we're living with self in mind.
- 21:48If I'm living with my neighbor in mind,
- 21:50if I'm living loving God with all of my heart,
- 21:53it's going to really drastically change how I connect with the world around me.
- 21:58Hmm. You know, one of the things though that you often hear from people,
- 22:01just to kind of play devil's advocate here,
- 22:03is Jesus spent time with sinners.
- 22:04it's funny, they bring that up.
- 22:06That that doesn't mean Jesus sinned with sinners,
- 22:08but anyway, they say Jesus spent time with sinners.
- 22:10So how do we follow that Jesus Christ example without compromising
- 22:15on our biblical convictions? You know,
- 22:17Yeah.
- 22:17d
- 22:17And I think, George, the the whole thing we've been talking about,
- 22:20living life on mission, ~ loving people enough to help them see Jesus.
- 22:26~ so but the the question is, how do I do that?
- 22:29And the answer is, I've been crucified with Jesus.
- 22:32I mean, that
- 22:32Mm.
- 22:33that's really who I am. And ~ it's no longer I that live,
- 22:37but Christ who lives in me, Galatians two twenty.
- 22:39And so how do I do that? I do it by letting Jesus live his life through me.
- 22:44it it's his work that is happening in the world.
- 22:47He wants to do that work, but he wants to do it through a spirit-filled believer.
- 22:50That is such a gospel-centered answer.
- 22:55Notice to those of you in the audience,
- 22:57I was kinda I'm kind of been waiting to see if there's like a tinge
- 23:01of legalism anywhere in all of this,
- 23:03and there's not any legalism. I mean,
- 23:06it's but when you put it that way,
- 23:08it's so freeing to live that way because now I'm not living that way by obligation,
- 23:13but I am living that way.
- 23:15To glorify God because I'm choosing it.
- 23:18~ now I guess we're talking really practical here.
- 23:22Where do you think, in your opinion,
- 23:24Christians today are most tempted to blend into the culture rather than stand apart
- 23:28from it?
- 23:28Yeah. I d this this is this question is probably the most difficult
- 23:33of them because this is getting to the place where we have to look
- 23:37at the specific dangers. So sin is dangerous.
- 23:40So what are the specific dangers that tend to and I I only say I'm gonna name four,
- 23:45and I'm only naming four because I watch the world the Christian world around me,
- 23:50and it and it seems to me these are the areas where people are are struggling.
- 23:55entertainment.
- 23:56when we l forget to live life on mission and want to let my mission
- 24:02be ~ the enjoyment of this world,
- 24:05~ th then we're we're gonna slip into enjoying things that
- 24:11God never intended us to enjoy.
- 24:13And so
- 24:14Mm.
- 24:14I'm not saying entertainment is wrong and bad.
- 24:16I I actually think that
- 24:18there are some wonderful things that can be genuinely helpful to us.
- 24:21But I believe that if you watch the the influence of,
- 24:26or maybe s should I say, on the church,
- 24:29we can
- 24:29Mm.
- 24:30often see the the source of it in modern entertainment.
- 24:34Hmm. that I I totally agree on that one.
- 24:38And it it is really becoming harder and harder to find entertainment that
- 24:43is not compromising. And I'm really not one of those super conservative,
- 24:49never go to the movie theater types of guys.
- 24:52But I mean, just honestly, it's it's hard for a guy to watch more mo most movies
- 24:57and not lust.
- 24:58I mean to put it that way practically.
- 24:59So okay, so that's that's area number one.
- 25:02~ area number two.
- 25:03Well, I I only say this one because I think a lot of the other ones flow out of it.
- 25:08And I'm alcohol. I have just seen more and more fallen pastors recently
- 25:15in which alcohol played a huge part in the degradation of that life.
- 25:20and I I just feel like this is a world in which alcohol
- 25:25is a part of their entertainment.
- 25:27It's a part of what they do to enjoy themselves.
- 25:30And it's dangerous and that we have to constantly be careful of
- 25:35of the influence that it can have on our own lives.
- 25:37Yeah, yeah. Be not drunk in wine with wine,
- 25:39where it is success. okay, area number three.
- 25:42Following that one, the the people that I've seen falling into
- 25:47the sinfulness of this world, alcohol is a path,
- 25:50immorality is this is the destination.
- 25:53And ~ I I just feel like we have to recognize that God called us to moral purity,
- 25:59and and that entails all different parts of life,
- 26:02not just the the actions. I mean,
- 26:05Jesus made it clear in the
- 26:08Sermon on the Mount, that moral purity begins in our own heart,
- 26:11in our own mind, before it does anywhere else.
- 26:14And so whether it is in ~ what what we choose to allow ourselves to see,
- 26:20what we choose to allow ourselves to think,
- 26:22what we choose to allow ourselves to wear,
- 26:24I mean, all of those things fall under the category of morality.
- 26:29Yes, yes, and that and this is not an old fashioned thing.
- 26:34This is a Bible thing. ~ like Jeff was saying earlier,
- 26:38sin is not safe. Immorality will never be safe for a Christian.
- 26:42That's that's excellent. Number four.
- 26:44So I this one like is a huge catch everything category.
- 26:49And ~ I I I just have attitudes.
- 26:52and the reason I say this is because there are all different kinds
- 26:55of attitudes we can have. We can have attitudes of greed,
- 26:57we can have attitudes of lust,
- 26:59we can have attitudes of bitterness,
- 27:01edginess. and all of I mean I don't know about you,
- 27:04but I when I'm standing in line and someone
- 27:08crowds in front of me. I I find
- 27:09Mm.
- 27:10myself being like everybody else in the line and wanting to fight.
- 27:14And and
- 27:14yeah.
- 27:15what I have to do is not behave like everybody else does.
- 27:18I have to think in terms of how would Jesus respond in this moment
- 27:22and so constantly be I I kind of find with my own self the the entry point
- 27:27of sinful life.
- 27:29Is my attitudes. And
- 27:30Mm.
- 27:30I that if I can watch my attitudes,
- 27:33I can catch these other things before they get into a sinful pattern.
- 27:37Mm, I love that. ~ attitude makes a big difference in almost everything.
- 27:42Yeah, it really does. And I think the key to all of this is remembering we're here
- 27:47to live life on mission. So we're not here to enjoy the comforts of this world.
- 27:52Jesus is not gonna look at us at when we get to heaven and say,
- 27:55Hey, did you have a good time down there?
- 27:57He he's not gonna say, Hey, did you enjoy that movie?
- 28:00You know, ~ we're not here to entertain ourselves.
- 28:03We're here on mission.
- 28:04Well, there's about nine more questions I'd love to ask you,
- 28:08but we're about perfectly halfway through our outline.
- 28:11I think we just need a part two.
- 28:12~ and just to come back next week and do a part two together.
- 28:16but this has been such a refreshing conversation and I hope those
- 28:21of you listening are as elated as I am that we can do this and it's
- 28:26not about externalities, it's not about
- 28:29holier than thou. It's not about legalism.
- 28:32It is really all done from from a heart for the gospel and and letting Jesus Christ
- 28:39live through us. And I mean, there have been some golden nuggets today that
- 28:43I just hope we all can grab onto and carry with us the rest of the
- 28:47way in our journey with Christ.
- 28:48Well
- 28:49me
- 28:49read that question one more time.
- 28:50This is from Alistair
- 28:51Yeah.
- 28:51Begg, and he says, Will I love this world enough to be quite unlike this world that
- 28:57I might point the people of this world towards a better one?
- 29:01I I love that question. It's a nice way for us to kind of leave this subject.
- 29:05Amen. Well, pray with us as we pray to the Lord of the harvest that
- 29:08he would send forth laborers. We don't have a harvest problem.
- 29:13We have a labor shortage. And I pray we would just get to do the hard work
- 29:19of the kingdom and keep our nose to the grindstone spiritually.
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- 29:37Lord bless.