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The State of MotoGP in Huewen HD with Keith Huewen · Pit Talk

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  Speaker 1: Well, Mizzano really did have it all. A wooden leg
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  Speaker 1: katm becoming unchained literally and a certain mister Mark Marquez
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  Speaker 1: stripping off on the podium and that wasn't on my
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  Speaker 1: bingo card. The doctor was in the house, a couple
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: of F one superstars made an appearance, and finally we
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  Speaker 1: got to see the V four on track, and our
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  Speaker 1: very own Joe Kelso made his twenty twenty six signing
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  Speaker 1: announcement too.
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  Speaker 2: So we have.
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  Speaker 1: Got a lot to unpack here. This episode of Pit
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  Speaker 1: Talk is powered by Shannon's Insurance. I'm your host, Rnita vmullen.
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  Speaker 1: Alongside me is my ever knowledgeable partner in crime, mister
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  Speaker 1: Matt Clayton. But before we get into it, Matt.
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  Speaker 2: We've got a very special guest here.
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  Speaker 1: Some former listeners from another podcast that might recognize this gentleman.
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  Speaker 2: But for the older.
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  Speaker 1: Generation, shall we say former Grand Prix writer Keith and
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  Speaker 1: the OG voices of Moto GP mister Keith Hewan Keith.
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  Speaker 1: This feels like a bit of days JA.
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  Speaker 3: Vote for me, pep bumping in you every now and again.
• 1:01
  Speaker 3: I think the last time was Thailand when we were outing.
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  Speaker 2: Buriram like a bad smell.
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  Speaker 4: Hi thank you. How did you tell that from all
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  Speaker 4: the way over there?
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  Speaker 5: And microph yours is pretty sensitive for a leader, I'll
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  Speaker 5: say that, but I don't know if.
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  Speaker 2: We can tell from my intro.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, there was a lot of funny stuff happening on
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  Speaker 1: and off track this weekend, but there's also a lot
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  Speaker 1: that we need to get into and unpack him in
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  Speaker 1: all seriousness, because we've got Mark Marquez who's now got
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  Speaker 1: the match point, We've got that Zechi who was on
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  Speaker 1: pole and on the podium on the weekend, Mark crushing
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  Speaker 1: out the sprint. Matt, I'm going to hand this over
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  Speaker 1: to you like we normally do, because Mizano you told
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  Speaker 1: me keep an eye on and a bas shanini and
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  Speaker 1: that's where we play out.
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  Speaker 4: Did it?
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  Speaker 5: No, that didn't go so well. But it's funny when
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  Speaker 5: you were going through your intro before the sheer number
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  Speaker 5: of things that happened over the course of the weekend,
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  Speaker 5: and I sort of when you mentioned the Bazari prosthetic
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  Speaker 5: leg and the very weird explanation about that, I was like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: that happened as well. There was so much going on
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  Speaker 5: over the course of the weekend. But I think you
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  Speaker 5: kind of buried the lead a little bit there in
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  Speaker 5: that well, you know, Mark Marquez has this inevitable match
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  Speaker 5: point now in Japan coming up in a couple of weeks,
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  Speaker 5: and I don't know how you feel about it, And Keith,
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  Speaker 5: maybe i'll throw this one to you as well. We're
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  Speaker 5: looking at a guy who's about to win a seventh
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  Speaker 5: Premier Class world title, and you don't want to start
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  Speaker 5: comparing world titles like comparing your children, right, which is
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  Speaker 5: you know you don't want to go down that path.
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  Speaker 5: But when you've got seven of these things, given what
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  Speaker 5: he's come from, is this one the best of the seven?
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  Speaker 5: Do you think when it happens or are we looking
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  Speaker 5: back to maybe twenty fourteen or twenty nineteen is being
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  Speaker 5: batter because it's hard to split them, but the context
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  Speaker 5: of where he's come from for this one feels more
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  Speaker 5: significant to me. How do you see it?
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  Speaker 4: I see it significant in a couple of ways.
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  Speaker 3: One is, I don't think the twenty five bike is
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  Speaker 3: anything like the best bike. I think that they've ended
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  Speaker 3: up with a situation where Bani I can't make work
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  Speaker 3: a tour. I won't say I feel sorry for Pecko,
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  Speaker 3: but if you remember Anita. Early on in the other
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  Speaker 3: podcast that I used to be involved with I am
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  Speaker 3: still involved with, I did say that Peco was cooked,
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  Speaker 3: but I just didn't expect him to be quite as
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  Speaker 3: well done as he has been this year so far.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, in recent times, it's just been awful. Twenty
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  Speaker 3: first qualifier, you know, it's a situation where that motorbike
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  Speaker 3: just doesn't suit him. They can't get it around at
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  Speaker 3: the end of the day. Why should they when they've
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  Speaker 3: got Markus doing the business on it. Anyway, He'd have
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  Speaker 3: been better off on the twenty four bike, there's no
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  Speaker 3: doubt about that.
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  Speaker 4: Another man that.
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  Speaker 3: I do actually feel sorry for is Markers. Alex Markers
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  Speaker 3: because he's never going to win a world championship unless
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  Speaker 3: Mark lets him.
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  Speaker 4: Imagine that in the family lump.
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  Speaker 3: It's one of those situations where Alex Markes really it
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  Speaker 3: took him a wild and win Moto three, it took
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  Speaker 3: him a wild win Moto two. But of course he
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  Speaker 3: is potentially a world champion in Moto GP as well.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, but he's so underrested, made and so overlooked
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  Speaker 3: in what he's achieving. I just can't help but feel
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  Speaker 3: a little sorry for him. And it's his brother who
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  Speaker 3: used to say that that Alex is at a faster
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  Speaker 3: motorbike racer than me. I think that might have been
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  Speaker 3: off road a little bit more than it is where
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  Speaker 3: we are now. But but at the time Mark always
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  Speaker 3: used to big him up. But now we've got a
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  Speaker 3: situation where we're going to have a one and two
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  Speaker 3: Marcus brothers this year. I mean, what a fan you
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  Speaker 3: know for family markets what it's unprecedented. I mean we've seen,
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  Speaker 3: you know, father son type for world champions in the past,
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  Speaker 3: but but brothers, you know, one and two in the series.
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  Speaker 3: You know what a spare he is if Mark Mark doesn't.
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  Speaker 4: Spare.
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  Speaker 2: I love the.
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  Speaker 1: Fact though, that what you're saying is something similar that
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  Speaker 1: we've said before, and I want to say it again.
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  Speaker 1: Is Mark is like a Lamborghinia of Ferrari. He's a
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  Speaker 1: sports car, and Alex Marquez is like a Diesel truck
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  Speaker 1: and he takes his time to build up to the
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  Speaker 1: speed and get faster. But now now we're seeing that.
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  Speaker 1: But I think you did hit the nail on the head.
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  Speaker 1: There's like, is Alex ever going to get that Moto
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  Speaker 1: GP world champion or is he always just going to
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  Speaker 1: be the bridesmaid? Is it until Mark leaves? And it
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  Speaker 1: is Mark ever going to leave?
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  Speaker 5: Well, one way you could look at it, well, so
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  Speaker 5: what if Mark? So if Mark gets seven this year
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  Speaker 5: and he gets eight next year, which means he beats Valentino,
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  Speaker 5: then does Alex ask him around the dinner table like
• 5:27
  Speaker 5: you were saying Keith, It's like, do you reckon? I
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  Speaker 5: can have next year? Will that be all right? You reckon?
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  Speaker 5: He asks him then, because then it's like, well you've
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  Speaker 5: got yourself past ROSSI what else are you doing at
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  Speaker 5: this point you'll be thirty four years old? Like, if
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  Speaker 5: I get a good start of the season, might you
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  Speaker 5: let me have one? Maybe that's the only way it happens.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen in a
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  Speaker 4: million years. Mark. Mark is own wired that way, is he?
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  Speaker 3: He's got to look to see what he's going through
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  Speaker 3: you get to where he I mean, he's a remarkable,
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  Speaker 3: remarkable man, a remarkable remarkable athlete to come back from
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  Speaker 3: what he's come back through.
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  Speaker 4: We've seen it.
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  Speaker 3: With your compatrion doing. Do you class him as your
• 6:01
  Speaker 3: compatriots as you're from Essex, Matt If he's winning, Yes,
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  Speaker 3: similar philosophy. Yeah, but you know, like Doing came back
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  Speaker 3: with a leg that was half hanging off. At the
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  Speaker 3: time that he came back and did what he did,
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  Speaker 3: he was, you know, mighty Mick, and we still think
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  Speaker 3: of him like that. Obviously, he's my era, so I
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  Speaker 3: can remember exactly what he went through.
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  Speaker 4: And how he did it.
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  Speaker 3: Mark, you know, the operations he's had to go through
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  Speaker 3: as well, would finish any normal mortal man would. He
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't even see someone come back like that. And he's
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  Speaker 3: working his way around a motorbike that isn't quite where
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  Speaker 3: it ought to be for some reason or another, and
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  Speaker 3: we're moving in. The exciting part of it is, I
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  Speaker 3: think the motivation might not be so much the numbers,
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  Speaker 3: although the Valentino Rossi tag of course, will be a
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  Speaker 3: lovely little number for him to surpass that. I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: that is in the back of his mind somewhere, if
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  Speaker 3: only subconsciously. But of course we're going to be moving
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  Speaker 3: into another era very soon as well, which is going
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  Speaker 3: to be tantalizing for the Mark. He's going to want
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  Speaker 3: to do that twenty twenty seven, when we have all
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  Speaker 3: the rule changes and we have the new new products
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  Speaker 3: out on track. I think he's going to be looking
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  Speaker 3: forward to that as well. So thirty four you mentioned
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  Speaker 3: that number. Thirty four, Well, bloody hell, you know, Rossi
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  Speaker 3: was into his forties, well into his forties, and before
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  Speaker 3: he rolled over, and he was still competitive. Whatever anybody says, Valentino,
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  Speaker 3: Rossi was still there or there about. So I don't
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  Speaker 3: see any reason why Mark mark Is can't go on
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  Speaker 3: for another ten.
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  Speaker 5: Years, right, something you did something you just said then
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  Speaker 5: before that was really interesting that I hadn't really considered
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  Speaker 5: about twenty seven. When you've done as much winning as
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  Speaker 5: Mark has. He look at the way this year is gone.
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  Speaker 5: You sometimes need like an external stimulus to motivate you
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  Speaker 5: for that next thing. And so you look at what
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  Speaker 5: he's done this year after all the surgeries and the
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  Speaker 5: time in the wilderness with Honda and what have you.
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  Speaker 5: This is like one of the rare cases where the
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  Speaker 5: sequel might be better than the original. Like he's come
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  Speaker 5: back as in this second career, and he's done it
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  Speaker 5: a different way and older, wiser, smarter, maybe not on
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  Speaker 5: the best bite, Like maybe you get to twenty seven,
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  Speaker 5: it's like, well how about I try and master this
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  Speaker 5: as well? So we're all looking at twenty seven as
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  Speaker 5: being this potential hard reset for the series, and maybe
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  Speaker 5: this is when things will change. The other side to
• 8:12
  Speaker 5: look at that is like this might be the external
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  Speaker 5: stimulus that he needs. It's like, well, now I can
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  Speaker 5: show you I can ride these bikes as well, and
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  Speaker 5: we might be in for a period of even more
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  Speaker 5: of this.
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  Speaker 4: That's exactly what I meant.
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  Speaker 3: And if it didn't come across like that, well done
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  Speaker 3: for putting it in some order.
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  Speaker 4: That's fine.
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  Speaker 5: I'll just translate that into Australia for our audience.
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  Speaker 3: Keep that's fine, It's now you've got it. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's bang on. I think that the only thing that
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  Speaker 3: he's going to run out of is motivation at the
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  Speaker 3: end of the day, you know, like to he's walked
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  Speaker 3: away with just about everything this year and the second
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  Speaker 3: somebody gives him a bit of a push.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I was having a quick look through the stats. I
• 8:49
  Speaker 3: actually did some research, Ren, which is very unusual, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I'm like, actually got a bit of paper
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  Speaker 3: and the number four is the worst he's been all yearther.
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  Speaker 3: It be a finishing position or a qualifying position. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: that is some way to go during the course of
• 9:05
  Speaker 3: a year. If you can say your worst worst events ever,
• 9:08
  Speaker 3: when you look at poor old Bangnaya, who's still third
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  Speaker 3: in the championship, you know, twenty first qualifier. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I can't imagine the state that Peco's heads in when
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  Speaker 3: he gets back to the I have a very, very minute,
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  Speaker 3: much lower grade way of thinking with this, because when
• 9:25
  Speaker 3: I'd ride back into my garage and my teammate or
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  Speaker 3: my major competitor on the other side of the garage
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  Speaker 3: was was sitting there smugly looking at the monitor because
• 9:34
  Speaker 3: they all do that and you and it's it's automatic.
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  Speaker 3: All these people will gravitate around mark all the text.
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  Speaker 4: All the main data guys, all that will all be.
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  Speaker 3: Watching what he's doing, and Peco will be like billion
• 9:46
  Speaker 3: omates that over the other side of the garage were
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  Speaker 3: just the odd word of consolation from from the missus
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  Speaker 3: and the like. And it is a shit place to be.
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  Speaker 3: It is just the worst mentally state to be in.
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  Speaker 3: And you've got to be something very very special, very
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  Speaker 3: very strong to pull yourself.
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  Speaker 4: Out of that hole.
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  Speaker 3: Marquez is that man. He's the kind of guy that
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: could do it. Peco has always come across to me
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  Speaker 3: is just that little bit more sensitive. You know, you
• 10:13
  Speaker 3: saw Davida Todotsi having a go at him, saying you've
• 10:17
  Speaker 3: got to take it to him. You've got to be
• 10:18
  Speaker 3: more forceful earlier on in the year. You've got to
• 10:21
  Speaker 3: you know, you've got to bat a bit harder. But
• 10:23
  Speaker 3: he ain't that kind of guy. He's a precision instrument,
• 10:26
  Speaker 3: is you know, precision instrument with a sort of easily
• 10:30
  Speaker 3: breakable blade.
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  Speaker 1: So my question to you, Keith as being like an
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  Speaker 1: X race, is how does Pecker then get out.
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  Speaker 2: Of his own head?
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  Speaker 1: Because to me, it's like, okay, yeah, we see he's
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: not gelling with the biank, but it's almost now we
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: see that his mind is so jumbled, right, how does
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: he get out of that and just ride?
• 10:51
  Speaker 4: Monor GP is about work.
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  Speaker 3: You've heard the riders are not riders, but they're reps
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  Speaker 3: bloody complaining about the extra work they're having to do
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: at the moment.
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  Speaker 4: Pr wise, you know, it's something that I don't feel.
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  Speaker 3: It's all sorry for them, by the way, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: the fact of the matter is in the constitution they
• 11:09
  Speaker 3: should do more bloody work towards the fans and towards
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  Speaker 3: the You know, the public. It shouldn't be a situation.
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  Speaker 3: It should be more like NASCAR or or something along there.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you'll have a series out there that that
• 11:19
  Speaker 3: is similar that where they have to do something for
• 11:21
  Speaker 3: the fans. They have to be their presentation wise, and
• 11:25
  Speaker 3: I think that work is what it's going to be about.
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  Speaker 4: I suppose that the reason.
• 11:29
  Speaker 3: Why you're hearing more winging about you know, not doing
• 11:33
  Speaker 3: these pr things is because they wrap their heads around
• 11:36
  Speaker 3: these little problems that they've got and they cannot focus
• 11:39
  Speaker 3: on anything else. They want to just concentrate on that
• 11:41
  Speaker 3: minute detail that they're trying to get right on the
• 11:43
  Speaker 3: bike reading data. I don't know whether you two have
• 11:46
  Speaker 3: ever tried doing it, but it's like an impossible, bloody
• 11:49
  Speaker 3: screen full of squiggly lines, and now they've got like
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: six s greens full of squiggly lines that they're trying
• 11:54
  Speaker 3: to decipher in between all the bits and pieces that
• 11:57
  Speaker 3: are going on. Recently we've seen about them maybe in
• 12:00
  Speaker 3: you know, Moto three and Mono two a little bit
• 12:03
  Speaker 3: and pulling them back as in Formula one where you've
• 12:05
  Speaker 3: got the GP two, GP three or whatever it is,
• 12:07
  Speaker 3: and they're sort of in the car park pattern and
• 12:10
  Speaker 3: they're not really well focused on, whereas in our GP
• 12:13
  Speaker 3: series we're quite unique in that we rate Moto three
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  Speaker 3: in Moto two almost as highly as we rate Mono GP,
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: and quite right to it in my own opinion. But
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  Speaker 3: the fact is I can see a situation coming where
• 12:24
  Speaker 3: they are pushed to one side and more time is
• 12:26
  Speaker 3: given to Moto GP, more space is given to Mothero GP.
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  Speaker 4: They're going to need.
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: It because they are a the premier class but technically
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: the most difficult class to get everything right. And I
• 12:37
  Speaker 3: think with Pecko, if we go back to the original subject,
• 12:40
  Speaker 3: you know, he's got an incredible amount of work to
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: try and do to decipher what is wrong with that bite,
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  Speaker 3: why he is not able to gel with that motorbike.
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  Speaker 3: Whereas Mark Markus, who is one of them annoying, really
• 12:52
  Speaker 3: annoying people, that seems to be able to ride around.
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: Whatever he's got, he gets it to where he thinks,
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: you know, the best he can get it to do,
• 12:59
  Speaker 3: and then the rest he does.
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  Speaker 4: In in in style and writing.
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: It's notable this year, you know, particularly this year, I
• 13:05
  Speaker 3: think on that Ducati, he's completely his style has changed completely.
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  Speaker 4: He's nowhere near hanging his arse out every single where
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  Speaker 4: that he can.
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  Speaker 3: He's nowhere near tuck in the front every single corner.
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  Speaker 3: He's nowhere near locking the break up every time that
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  Speaker 3: he enters. He's really smoothed himself out and brought himself
• 13:20
  Speaker 3: into the Jucati domain to make that work for him.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm really impressed with that.
• 13:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, I sound like a Marquez fanboy, and I
• 13:27
  Speaker 3: suppose from a I am actually I am. I mean,
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: I don't see and he's like, you know, over here,
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: we got David Beckham. Everybody hates David Beckham for some
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: reason or another, but he's a smooth guy with his
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: will suit, his missus looks all right, and you think
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: to yourself, why shouldn't he be the you know? And
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: the same thing with Marcus Marquees is, yeah, he's got everything.
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  Speaker 3: He's got everything. I mean, I'm sitting here jealous as hell.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, i'd buy me Mark Markus tomorrow if I
• 13:51
  Speaker 4: had an opportunity. I wouldn't.
• 13:53
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't buy his well, I wouldn't buy his bag
• 13:55
  Speaker 5: balance for sure. But something you touched on then, kay,
• 13:57
  Speaker 5: is something that we that read it. Her and I
• 13:59
  Speaker 5: talk about a f on this podcast in that Mark's
• 14:02
  Speaker 5: the best rider in motor GP when he's got the
• 14:04
  Speaker 5: best bike, but more annoyingly than that, he's the best
• 14:06
  Speaker 5: rider in motor GP when he doesn't. And I think
• 14:09
  Speaker 5: that's the difference you've seen with him this year in
• 14:11
  Speaker 5: that this new era remark, all of a sudden is
• 14:13
  Speaker 5: the best tire manager in motor GP, which I don't
• 14:16
  Speaker 5: think we would have said about him in career one,
• 14:18
  Speaker 5: you know, the Honda Halsion days, because now you know
• 14:21
  Speaker 5: that he's going to have more tire than the guy
• 14:23
  Speaker 5: that he's fighting against at the back end of a
• 14:25
  Speaker 5: race if he needs it. He's just added another sort
• 14:28
  Speaker 5: of you know, another string to his bow if you like.
• 14:30
  Speaker 5: But the thing you were saying about Pecko before is
• 14:33
  Speaker 5: interesting to me in that there's so much data now,
• 14:36
  Speaker 5: there's so many ways you can try and find ways
• 14:39
  Speaker 5: to extract yourself from a hole that you're in, and
• 14:42
  Speaker 5: Pecko's more of a he's more of an engineering led,
• 14:46
  Speaker 5: data driven rider who won't necessarily just stick his brain
• 14:50
  Speaker 5: on the shelf when he goes out there and try
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: and ride this thing and not fiddle with it the
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: entire weekend. He's looking for the perfect solution to an
• 14:56
  Speaker 5: imperfect problem, and the deeper we get into this season.
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: It's interesting. At the start of the season, it felt
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: like it was the bike that was holding him back,
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: and now it feels like this his head is holding
• 15:05
  Speaker 5: him back. It feels like it's a different problem with
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: the same result now if you know what I mean,
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: and that the results are going backwards if anything, But
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: I don't know for the same reason that they were
• 15:14
  Speaker 5: at the start of the season. It seems much more
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: of a mental block that he now has with this
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: bike as opposed to the actual physics of the bike itself.
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: I bet he wishes his management had done a different
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: deal when Mark was in coming, because I think you
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: would have been looking to yourself and thinking, now can
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: I cope? Well, I mean we all talked about it
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: before Mark arrived in the garage. You know Mark, Mark
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: is He's a ruthless individual. Now he's going to get
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: an advantage in mechanically, technically, physically, every way you can
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: possibly think. He is going to be a weapon as
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: soon as he gets the other side of the garage.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: I think that would have been the time to go
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: and look at maybe going to back to Grassini, maybe
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: go to Grissini and ride the twenty floor bike that
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: would have been I mean, Alex Marcus can do what
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: he's doing on any bike. Then I think that Peco
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: he must rule the day that his management or even
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: he allowed.
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: I wonder if you had You know, quite often when.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: You have incoming riders, this won't apply to mart Markets
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: because anybody that has got mar Markets, you know, as
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: a possibility, is going to sign him. But in lots
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: of teams there's usually a little bit of a veto
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: in there that the other rider can can make a
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: few comments as they now, I don't really want that
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: guy as a partner, and you know, I don't really
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: want him in here. But of course Pecko he was
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: on a no win situation because if he hadn't even
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: kicked off and said no, I don't want to ride
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: with mart Marcus, he had been called a pussy left,
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: right and center. So yeah, it's one of those situations
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: where no win for Peco, which is why I said
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: at the beginning of the year that Pecko has cooked,
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: because you could just have seen it come in so
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: many times. It's as if it's as if us punters
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: who sit watching Telly and sit on our lounge with
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: our beer in our end, no more than the riders,
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: because they're too close to it. Almost, they're almost too
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: close to it. I mean, if I was Pecko, you know,
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: if he'd sat back in his in his setti and
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: thought for himself, should have I really got to put
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: up with mark markets?
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: How can I get out of this? What's what's my
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: best work? Yeah, I'm damn sure I'd have been looking
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: for a way out of it.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: I really wasn't expecting you to say that at all.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: But I love it and I agree.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: But moving on to the other side of outside of
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: the Jucaddi world, I feel like it's kind of the
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: same thing with Bez and Jorge at a Prillier. Right.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: It was coming into the season, it was Joge is
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: going to be the number one writer, and then look
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: what's happened is he had all those crashes, he missed
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: the first half of the year, and Bez had to
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: go and carry the weight of a factory rider and
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: the factory team on his shoulders. And now look.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: At what he's doing.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's like the complete opposite of Peco, Right.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: I think a Prillia it took a bit of a dip,
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: didn't they. It was all a bit concerning.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: You know, we're all expecting the Aprilia to and obviously
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Jorge to be doing the business on it. But then
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: it took a bit of a nose dye for a
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: moment or two. But they've recovered remarkably well. I mean,
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: I'm really impressed with how a Prillier have turned their
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: year around, you know, when you see the struggles that
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: Katm are having as well.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, I wasn't even sure we're going to have
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: Katm on the.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Grid this year after their financial disasters out in Austria.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: So to see, you know, good old Coster doing a
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: bit okay, they need something a little bit tougher in
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: the training department maybe, but you know they've come back
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: fairly well too. But there's no beating you know, a
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: man like mar Marcus. It's just if you took him
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: out of the equation, Alex Markus will be world champion
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: probably a year that would be m hm.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Had interesting. It's interesting.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: It's interesting what you were saying before, Rineta about the
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: Beteki thing, in that a prillion might have stumbled across
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: something here by accident, in that you know, they clearly
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: paid Martine all the money and got him across from
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: Decaddy to be the team leader, and with him not
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: being there, and then also you have to think emotionally
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: the fact that he trying to get himself out of
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: there for all those months until he realized it was
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: going to be too expensive to get himself out of
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: there and he had to stay put. They might have,
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: you know, the responsibility that got thrown on Berzeki, like
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: ever since Silverston when he won that race, but even
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: the sprint at Silverston he was awesome in that he
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: just missed the podium in that from a long way back,
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: and since then, I think, if my MAT's a right,
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: I think he's been a second high scoring writer since Silverstone.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: It doesn't feel like a flash in the pan anymore.
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: There's just this consistency with it now and it feels
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: like he's grown with the team and the team has
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: kind of put its arm around him a little bit
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: and embraced that. And I don't know what you think, Keith,
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: but so much of this is, you know, played between
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: the years with these riders. I loved what Massimo Rivella
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: did with the whole handling of the Martine situation when
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: that was going on for two reasons, he made it
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: very clear to Martin, we would like you to stay,
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: and then had to put his foot down when it
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: became a legal issue. But by the same token, they
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: were begging Bozeki up to put him into a position
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: where he could capitalize on the bike if it got
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: go again. And this shows that, you know, when you
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: get the right man manager in the right position, you
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: can actually have successful outcomes on both sides of the garage.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: And yeah, the bike's improved technically, sure, but I think
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: the way they've handled those two riders this year independently
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: has actually been a real benefit for what they've done
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: this year. It's been really really well handled.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: I think I don't know you, Matt, but you've obviously
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: been paying attention what you were saying. Just then.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Excuse me, it was in my head to say next,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: because I think I think he's done a great job, Rivola,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: And you're so right the way he's handled that situation.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: And when I mentioned that dip that a prillier ad
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: that was as he gathered them up, as he pulled
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: them back together again, and I think it was really
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: good management. Riders again, as you say, it's north of
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: the eyebrows. And if one's spinning off out of control,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: bringing him back into the fold, bringing him back gen
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: bloody hell. That's a difficult task for management. That really
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: is quite a tough situation. And again compare that, if
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: you like with David a too Dootsi shouting publicly almost
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: in the face of Peco magnaia you've got to be
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: tough and you've got you've got to sticking in a
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: bit harder or whatever the actual words were that he
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: said in the Italian. But it's a situation where Revola,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: almost unseen, just gathered them up, as you say, put
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: their arm around him, rent and brought them back into
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: into the fold. And I think that's his management was
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: worth the money they paid Revola when he came over
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: from F one and it's it definitely is paying off.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: So yet big up to a prillion to be able
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: to put that together.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Well my next thought, Matt, I don't know if you've
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: thought about this bar. I'm going to throw it to
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Keith to see with boy Peco is now and the
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: way that Bes is going on his trajectory. You know,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: we still have like five hundred races left on this season,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: so there's like a million points up for grabs. Can
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Bes be a serious threat here to Peco and take
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: him over for third in the World Championship this year
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Keith two.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Twenty nine Verses two thirty seven. I'm certain, absolute yes,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: he's right in the zone. And once he gets a
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: sniff of I mean, that's the other thing, and it
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: they're like bloody sharks want to get a sniff a
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: bit of blood in the water, they're going to go
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: for it that little bit harder. It's worth fighting for.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, third place second loser is used to be
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: the old saying, didn't it You know, it's one of
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: those situations where as a championship, you don't care if
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: you finished second. You don't care if you finish third. Well,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: actually you do, particularly when it comes to bonuses. You
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: get paid big money for these things as well. I
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: don't forget about the money. I almost didn't overlook that.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: You know, GP is a massive earning potential there and
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: bonuses from sponsors and backers and factories and the like.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: It's one of those things where can you imagine the
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: bonuses that Mark's on.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: At the minute.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: I mean he would have been paid massive money anybody.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, you mentioned the money earlier on Matt You've
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: got me at it now.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: And the fact of the matter.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Is is that the bonuses for first and seconds throughout
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: the year just must be bloody huge. He's not gonna
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: have any trouble with house cleaners for the rest of
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: his life, is he mark markers you.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: I'm going to have to have his mum rather anymore.
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: No, the fuel budget for the private jets nicely sorted
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: for the next eighteen months. But the thing you were talking.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: About before, Reni, he knows about that.
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, we've got some stories, probably not for this
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: podcast that we should probably get into with that. But
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: the thing you just mentioned then, Realija about Buzeki finishing
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: in front of Banyai I reckon. The other factor to
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: put in here is that normally when motor GP gets
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: on a plane and goes off to do the flyaways,
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: that's normally when a Prillier season just goes downhill. In
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: the past that you remember the Alasia Spargaro championship push
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: and I use air quotes on that because it was
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: mathematically there, but it wasn't really happening. Whenever they'd go
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: and do the flyways. A Prillia would just sink like
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: a stone the last few years and it hasn't happened.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: And going back to something I was saying before, it
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: feels like they've got momentum and management and riders in
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: a good spot at the moment that I don't think
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: they're going to turne up at Motigi and then go
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: to Mandalika and Philip Island and just be oh, yeah,
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: there was an aprillier on the grid. I don't think
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: we're going to forget that like we've done in previous years.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: I reckon, it's sustainable. I don't even think that Bazeki's
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: going to finish in the World Championship. I think he'll
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: be well in front of Banyai by the end of
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: the year, given that we've still got six rounds to
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: go and he's outscoring him by about fifteen points around
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: at the moment, So he might finish. Yeah, he might
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: finish fifty sixty points ahead a Pecko at this stage,
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: you'd reckon.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: I've just been looking at my sheet again.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: I know I can't believe I've done prep but thirteenth, fourteenth,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: thirteenth in the last three Grand Prix for bang Naya,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: you know, twenty first in a sprint, fifteenth in a sprint.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: I mean he is habit. Can you imagine the state
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: of affairs when he gets back. I mean they don't
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: have motoromes nowadays, have these little hospitality units out there,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: but get him back in there. Hotel rooms are the
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: loneliest places in the world when you any of us,
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: I mean you guys particularly, have to travel quite a
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: lot from from your side of the world to outside
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: of the world more often than not, and sitting in
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: a hotel room when you're having a bad weekend when
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: you've you know, for us, it's whether we drop a
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: few words wrong, or say something wrong, or don't comb
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: her hair in the right direction.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: In my case, I've got a thing about right here
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: now it's going.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: But the point being is he sat in a hotel room,
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: and they are the loneliest, most depressing places, and it
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: compounds your feeling of absolute dread.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, you can't sleep at.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Night, the bloody air CON's too cold, the air CON's
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: too hot, the next room is doing what they shouldn't.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: Be doing at that time of night.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: You know, you've put you in the front of a
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: bloody hotel instead of the back of the hotel where
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: you're staying, and it's noisy. Every single little nuance gets
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: on your tits when you're having a time like Peco's
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: having at the moment, and back to you ran earlier on.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: How does he get around that? Where does he go
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: from there?
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: He's an intelligent man, so therefore he's going to have
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: to use that. He's going to have to step back
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: a little bit. Although you can't see him steping back
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: much further than ease in the minute on the grid.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: But it's a situation where he has got to work
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: this out in the last six Grand Prix because otherwise
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: he's going to go into the winter dreading the new year.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, okay, it'll be a bit of testing, but
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: it's not We don't get the amount of testing. We
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: don't get the amount of track time on a motorbike
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: nowadays that you used to get. You could go testing
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: forever once upon a time, throw tires and money and
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: tracks at it.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: Now you don't.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: You get very little testing in a new year for
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: the for the bikes that may have some modifications next year.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: And I just see if he goes into the winter
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: break with a similar mindset or a similar performance levels
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: where he's out at the moment, twenty twenty six is
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: going to seem like a very very tough year for me.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Night I'm already like you're ready, and hey, it's it's
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: the weirdest thing watching it as a fan and a
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: spectator and you're sitting on the sofa and you just
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: see the pain that Peckers in, the emotional, the mental,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: and the spiritual pain, and it just seems.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: So unlike him.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: But ultimately, if you look at it from like the
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: wo wo side of things, it's like, Okay, he can
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: come out stronger. Look at what Mark had to overcome,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Look at what Joge Martin's I've had to overcome. And
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: I guess kind of segues me into my next thing is.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Look at Yamaha.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Look at what they've done, totally out.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Of character for them.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: They've now bought a V four and we got to
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: see it this weekend with a Gusto Fernandez on track.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I thought it was funny in the build up beforehand,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Alex Rinn saying, oh, imagine if this V for is
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: faster than our inline fauce, it wasn't, but you could
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: see that they're still having a lot of teething problems.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: But like I want to reiterate the fact that it's
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: so unlike Yamaha to go and do something like this.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: You know, they've bought on a European European people more
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: into it and instead of it just being straight from
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: the factory in Japan, right, they're really trying to make
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: these changes, whether that is to just keep Fabriquartero happy
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: because Matt has said it a lot of times that
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: you know he thinks Fabriquadro is like the second best
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: on the grid and there's no denying that, or Yamaha
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: are really throwing every dollar, every cent, every tool, everything
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: at this Keith. From an ext rider's point of view,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: we did see a lot of teething problems weekend. But
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: what's your initial thoughts on this V four?
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Are they heading in the right direction at least?
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Because it's been mixed signals from the Yamaha field.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: I'm really glad you've given us some time on this
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: because it needs time and consideration.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: To think about it.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Let me make a comparison with Suzuki when they came back.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: I know that that Yamaha have been there all the time,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: but a fundamental change from an in line four to
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: two a V four is a massive engineering task, a
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: massive amount of data gain. No test rider is ever
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: going to be like your mainline riders as far as
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: giving information is concerned, So we need the top guys
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: on the bike now. I I wondered whether Yamaha and
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: I've speculated with this in various pods earlier on in
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: the year, at the end of last year, rather whether
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Yamaha was even in a situation where they.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: Might pull out of the deal.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: You know, Suzuki capitulated on their five year bloodymotorgp deal
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: that they'd only just signed and pulled out. You've got
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: KTM that have got financial difficulties. That almost meant that
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: there was going to be no KTM anymore unless somebody
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: like BMW took them over.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: If you remember we're talking about it.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: BMW haven't come into murder GP like was rumored at
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: some stage. Kalz actually have been long out of it.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: This is a massively expensive sport, not compared with Formula one,
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: of course, but but compared with our own marketplace and
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: our own amount of money that there.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: Is in the pot globally. I wonder whether Yamaha.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Were just going to go okay, we've been great for
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: a great number of years. Thank you very much, Dawna,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: shake hands and be done with instead.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: Exactly what you said.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: They're trying the kitchen sink at it and to develop parallel.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Don't forget that they're only a small team. These teams
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: are not big, They're not huge like you. Even Honda
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: are quite a small operation from a racing HRC on
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: the racing corporation. They're very very small groups of people
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: that are engineering these things into a motorbike that was
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: only a little bit off the pace. We're talking about.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Vfax gearing was all wrong, everything was different. Augusta Fernandez
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: prehaps wouldn't have been quite on the pace.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: Anyway. If you put couateuro and it's scored points in
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: its firstay out in for God's sake, that can't be bout.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: I know a lot of people who were out of
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: the race at the end of the day, but it's
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: scored points, and that is the crux for me. I
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: always get there in the end. Mat You'll get used
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: to me waffling on.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: It's in line four. You know it takes up too
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: much bloody room across the chassis. A V four gives
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: you a load of more options as to what you
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: can do with arrow, what you can do with you know,
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: so many different things. And looking forward to twenty twenty seven,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: developing a V four through twenty twenty six is.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: The smartest of moves.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: By Yama, I mean Lynja Harvis being moved out the
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: way you mentioned having a few more euros in there
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: to look after. I mean as in people not in money,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: looking after the team.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Great move.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Honda went that way. Honda, you know you wouldn't see, yeah,
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: you will look in at Honda garage. It would be
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: full of Japanese personnel, you know, but now you know
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: you've got a lot more euro influence in there, you know.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: I think it was Jucatti through their clever maneuvering around
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: what is a very thin rule book compared with Formula
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: one for instance.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: You know, our rule book is quite thin.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: It's kind of one that you can maneuver through and
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: come up with some really good ideas. And of course
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: you've got bloody Gigi Delinia from Jucati and his team
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: working away, and they bought a motorbike that never turned,
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: you know, and didn't do what it wanted to do
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: to where it is now and across the ball. Quite
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: often you see half a dozen du cates in the
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: first six on a race or in a qualifying.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: Session, and I think Yamaha have got the ball by
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: the horns.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Massive big up to Yamaha, what they've done, what they've achieved,
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: and that before I think, you know, you can see
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: a bit of backslapping going on in the pit garage
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: to punters on the side of the fence that wanted
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: to be instantaneously on the pipe. It can't be, you know,
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: technically nowadays to be within a second, to be around
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: a second off the fastest motor GP by first race out.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: And if you remember, if I go back to Sazuzo again, Matt,
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: sorry for yakin on Suzuki when they all they did
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: was blow up at Valencia, if you remember, that's right. So,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's a great achievement when Yamaha
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: have done, and I think that they deserve the accolades
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: that they haven't got yet.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: Well, what was interesting for me is that, you know
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: the way that the Japanese factories tend to operate and
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: they tend to be risk averse, and it's all about
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: brand reputation and not damaging the brand and making sure
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: things don't have failures in the public eye when they're
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: still quite new. The fact they brought this thing in
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: earlier than anticipated and within a season to me is yeah,
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: it's great to have some performance and test this thing
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: in the you know, the racing laboratory.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: If you like.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: But it's a sign of intent for Kwasharero because the
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: thing that Yamaha's got right now, if you're one of
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: these five factories, the first box you need to tick
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: is do we have an absolute a grader for when
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: the bike is good? You Cadi's got theirs Aprillia when
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: he gets himself one hundred percent right and he's had
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: a proper preseason. Martine is proof of concept. He's won
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: the world championship, so he should be THEIRS, and Katm's
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: got Costa, So Yamahara at the moment have got a
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: guy that's a proven world champion who incredibly hasn't won
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: a race for over three years now. But if you
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: get the bike right, you don't have that question of, well,
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: do we have the rider for the bike at the moment,
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: they've got the rider but not the bike. But at
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: least you've got the rider. So to bring this V
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: four project in when maybe it's a little bit undercooked
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: at the moment, is a signal of intent to quash
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: a row. It's like, no, no, we're doing everything possible here.
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: Stick with us. Stick with us, because if they get
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: that bike right, he's already proved that he could win
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: a world championship. And if they can get the bike right,
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: they know they've got that asset there. So as much
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: as anything else, it's a signal of intent, like, look,
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: we're doing everything that you want us to do to
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: get you back to where you want to be. Please
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: don't go and run off to anybody else and look
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: at anybody else, because we're doing all we can to
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: keep you within our stable. I thought that was the
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: main reason that they did it, to be honest.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think that.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know whether for me, I don't think it'd
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: probably been the main reason, because you know, like at
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: the end of the day, they paid him what twenty
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: million bucks or whatever it was to have him in
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: the first place. But it's it comes back to what
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: we were talking about earlier. It's north of the eyebrows
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: is keeping him focused on the job. And I think
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: you're right in that they needed to be showing intent
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: and the trouble you've got. I mean, I've said this
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: so many times in the past. I'm against the homologation.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: The way they homologate, you know, bikes for the next year.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: Noise the hell out. I mean, how we get to
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: the first round and whatever that will be, and that's
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: the bike that you've got to run. It's a molligate
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: for the rest of the year. I've always said that
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: it should be four or five Grand Prix in before
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: the inmoligation is set. They should be allowed to run
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: what they've brung in the early Grand Prix to test
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: in race conditions, not in test conditions. Now, even this
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: week when we were looking on Monday for to know
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: what one thing I used to like to do after
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: I'd had a whole weekend, you've been on it.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: Thursday.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: We are Friday testing, Saturday qualifying and racing.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: Nowadays Sunday. By the time you've got.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: The Sunday night, you are absolutely hanging your naked and
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: the thought of laying in bed for a couple of
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: hours and the having to get up and do three
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: hundred bloody laps of testing on a Monday would drive
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: me insane.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: But here they are again working on a Monday.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: But the problem with that as well being the reason
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: I bring it up is because the conditions change, you
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: can't do back to back. You know, they had a
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: load of rain overnight on the Sunday night, so the
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: track's completely different on Monday, so you haven't got that comparators.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: That's why I think that developing.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: A motorbike in those early races, I've always thought that
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: they should have a situation where the molligation is not
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: set until round five or something, so they've got the
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: opportunity to run your test bikes, run your new new
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: machinery through proper racing conditions with the as you said earlier,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: mac A grade riders on them, and then you know
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: where you are. And then the molligation gets set, then
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: it's banged. Everybody goes through it well.
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: And then adding to that you look at the way
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: the calendar is these days. That makes almost too much sense, Keith,
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: and that you should be running things here because you
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: think where do we go for the first four rounds.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: We're in Thailand, we're in Argentina when that's on, we're
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: in America, we're in Or, we're in Qatar, all over
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: the place. Maybe the home alligation point is once we
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: get back to her Reth, when Europe starts. So that's
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: about round five, round six. Maybe that's the point you go,
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: all right, that's when we'll hemeligate things. You can go
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: off and do your first batch of flyways and then
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: we'll rule a line under it, and you do it.
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: Then I agree with you. It doesn't make sense that
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: it's as early as it is.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: I think that there used to be an old phrase.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know whose phrase it was, but mostly Julian Ryder,
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: who taught me more things than I ought to have
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: been taught by him. But Julian Rider used to say
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: it's the beginning of the used to say it's the
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: beginning of the ground war.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: When you get to back to.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: Europe, and that's when the real slug starts. That's when
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: everybody's right on it. Wrath is traditionally the place where
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: it all really really kicks off.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, God, I miss that harass.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Just curious on your thoughts on this through Keith, because
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: we spoke about it on Me and Matt spoke about
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: it a lot. The fact that Jack Miller is now
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: saying his experience what he can bring to the table.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: What was that face for.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Well, everybody's talking about Jack Miller at the moment. I
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: just I just had an auty mate of mine who
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: sadly just passed away. But I mean we were always
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: in his bar in Thailand. We were always on about
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Jack Miller all the time. Because with big Jack Miller fans.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: I'm a big Jack Miller fan.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: I like Jack.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: I like his mum and dad, you know, like a
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: paddock without Jack Miller, and it would be a travesty
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: for me.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: But he has had a torrid time. You know, it's
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: not been easy for Jack. I think I love the
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: way you dealt with it. Look, you either want me
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: or you don't want me. I love that. That is
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: a proper Rossie way. Yeah.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: In this in this era of pussy footing around and
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: being ever some politically correct and gentle, Jackson comes out
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: and come on, either Simon or tell me to piss
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: off one or the other. Don't be about And of
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: course they sign him, and I.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: Think he's an asset.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: He knows how to ride a motorbike, you know, and
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: if you want to develop a motorbike, you need someone
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: who's going to be gritty, who's going to be down
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: to earth, to get stuck in on it.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: And I think Jack is still an asset. There'll be
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: a few that disagree with that, but.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: It's I'm glad to see that he's got that opportunity
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: to move forward, and I think my whole benefit from him.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: The key thing for me too, Keith, is that you
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: look at their rider line up for next year. You've
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: got Alex Ridens did half a season on a V
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: four at Honda before he smashed himself up when he
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: was riding for Luccio in twenty three. Quaaterero has never
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: ridden a V four and top racks of rookie. So
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: having someone in that four rider lineup, you know, Jack's
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: done every season besides the current one on V four's
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: for three different manufacturers. It was an absolute no brainer
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: to keep him based on that, if not what he's
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: done on track this year, because on track it's not
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: been great, let's be honest, but you look at the
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: CV that he's had and where he's been the fact
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: that he can bring the best out of these three
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: other places that he's been too, where they've written V
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: four's is more valuable than anything you'll do at a
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: Sunday i'd reckon.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think that, like I said, Jack Miller
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: is an asset to the team and for those reasons
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: you've given. It's interesting that you mentioned Alex Rinden Coo.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, I always like to have a bit of
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: a mention if I can with Joan mir I mean,
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: I have never known a rider throw himself at the
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: floor so consistently often. Honda obviously rented the former world champions.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: It's hard to remember he was a world champion, for
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: God's sake.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: And the commitment that he's showing to Honda and that
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: they appear to be showing back.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, Honda surely deserve a break at some stage,
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: but I don't know. I mean, I think the other
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: problem you've got is that there's a log jam of talent.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: You look behind these guys now that are all lining
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: up in Moto three, Moto Moto two, and beyond this
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: ev or whatever it might be that that that's bringing
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: on some of these young riders. You know we talk
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: about Aldi gear, aldigear was going to be the next
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: best thing. Well he's still right there, a Costa. You know,
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: he's yet to peak in my view. Okay, all those
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: troubles at KTM, that's got to have filtered down the
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: line to the race team. You know, everyone wondering whether
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: they're going to have jobs, everyone wondering, you know, everyone
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: looking to the side, where can I go with this lot?
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: You know ends up going fits up.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: So it's kind of one of those ones where there's
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: a there's a lot of stuff going on in the
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: background that the riders and management are looking at that
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: affects the overall riding. I think so people like Joe Amir,
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Who's Who's Who's Who's still I've never never seen commitment
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: like it for throwing himself at the fence. I mean,
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: the guy can't get a break even when he even
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: when he doesn't throw himself at the fence, someone else him.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: So true, Yeah, he's definitely already won that the most
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: crashes or the most takeouts this season, hasn't he? But
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up a Costa there, and I
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: know you've got the euro Costas shirt on for those
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: who are listening to the audio for this piece the
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: big Costa fan. But Matt, we got a little bit
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: of knowledge on the whole chain incident, didn't we regarding
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: the KTMS because it happened to Brad during Friday and
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Saturday and then obviously Sunday on the main Grand Prix
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: we saw the Marshall running onto the track to pick
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: up the part of the broken chain.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Can you fill our listeners in on what was to
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: go with that?
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: Well, you're selling yourself short here because the information that
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: I received was from you, because you had someone in
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: the in the other is Prilier that gave you the
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: load out of what was going on. So you need
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: to scroll back through your WhatsApp and actually tell them
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: this is what you told me. But I mean the
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: long story short is that there was a it's part
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: of the body work right that they were using if
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: I remember this correctly, on Monday at the test, they
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: were almost using like a guard to stop the chain
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: from being rubbed against the chassis when the bike is
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: squatted down when the rear ride high ice is engaged
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: and you look at where the apprilliate where the kt
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: was shedding its chain at Massa because it happened a
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: couple of times to Binder as well. It was coming
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: out of corner numbers in my head turn six, I
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: reckon it is where it's the back straight effectively where
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: they start the back straight on the curbs on the outside.
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: So the bikes squatted down on the curbs, which is
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: useful because I've just squtted down on an audio podcast.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: The bike squatted down on the curbs and the chassis
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: is rubbing against the chain while the bike's got its
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: rear ride height device engaged over some curves as it
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: heads down the back straight, and that was what was
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: dislodging the chain. Have I got that right?
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Look, I'm fairly sure, but I've never ridden a red
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: a GP bike.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: So Keith, does that sound? Does that sound to you?
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: It's funny because someone asked me and I think I
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: put it out on Twitter or x or whatever it's
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: called nowadays. You know, it's one of those situations where
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: with the right device doing what it's doing, and when
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: you've got the natural pumping that you're getting anyway through
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: a chain.
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, you consider how much a bloody motorbike chain.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Has to put up with nowadays, the amount of grief
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: it's getting from from both engine breaking and just horsepower poking,
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: and also the geometry of real suspension and the light,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: the way the motorbike is really live at the back
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: as well. You know, if you haven't got that geometry
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: absolutely bang on, you might get a bit of a
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: stretching situation in places and then in other places, which
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: is I think where you're going, Matt, is that you know,
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: the chain.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: Gets a little bit loose.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: So if you've got a situation where it's being pushed
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: out a line, then pop off it comes. But I
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: mean it's something that geometry wise, I would have to
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: get worked out. I mean roll on the days where
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: we don't have a bloody ride height situation.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: I mean, these bikes shouldn't be bloody drag bikes. The
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: should be proper motorbikes.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: I mean bloody ride heyes, And again it comes back
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: to my rule book that I said earlier on because
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: the bloody rule books are thin. Everybody's got away with
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: everything they shouldn't have got away with. And I always
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: remember Mike Trimby God rested Mike Trimba, original CEO of
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: the International Race Teams, Association.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: I mean I always used to sit in.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Mike's office with him grumbling over someone's found a way
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: around the rule book for this, and found them away
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: around the rulebook for that.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: When seenless gearbox, it's first game a thing.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: I remember Mike saying, if we've seen that coming, they
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: wouldn't have come because at the time, the cost involved
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: in making a sceneless gearbox the first one that came out.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's like swist watch.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: I can't even bloody say it, let alone bloody make one.
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: Swiss watch manufacturing. I mean it's hugely expensive.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, now we've got seamless up and seen us
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: all the way down through the gearbox as well. Fantastic,
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: And that might work on a road bike. You might
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: think that that's something development wise can go to a
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: road bike, so therefore there might be some point to it.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: But a bloody ride eye adjuster, I mean, just you're
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: never going to need that on a roadbike as long
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: as we go. But then there's the other argument. This
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: is a prototype series, so therefore, you know, it's quite
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: nice to see all these really really radical ways around things,
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: but we've got to live in the real world. It's
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: all a massive cost. Arrow arow should never have been
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: allowed to get to where it's got to, you know
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: it should that should have been bloody blanked out a
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: long time.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: Me go again.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: I'll go back to the NASCAR analogy if you like,
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: because I covered NaSTA for Sky for some time.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: You know, those buggers, if they're a.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: Millimeter out on their on their their shape and their
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: their form that it goes through, they get excluded straight away.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: And we should have had something immediately like that. I
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: re remember Danny Aldridge, technical director, pushing this this like
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: frame thing through the paddock and because it looks like
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: something he's gonna hang, he's washing on.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: I don't know anything else.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: It literally was it right that they they got as
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: a form to push the bike into and if any
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: part of the the carbon fiber touched any of it,
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: then it wasn't allowable. And you just think to yourself,
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: Christ Almighty, if we come to that, I mean, like,
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: can't you write a rule that says no, you're not
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: allowed to do that unless we approve it. But slowly
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: but surely, the rule book's got a little thicker, a
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: little thicker, little thicker.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: We don't want it to be like Formula one. What
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: do you think? I mean, what do you guys think?
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a pro type series, so therefore development
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: should be allowed within the rule. But I mean, should
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: we have scene this coming? Should should right adjust as
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: an are open outlawed ages?
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: Ago?
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it's one of those things that once
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: the genie's out of the bottle, you can't stuff it
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: back in right. And that's you know. I went and
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: looked at some I was looking at some photos of
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: when Mark last wie the World Championship, preparing for the
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: inevitable World Championship story that I'm going to write. And
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: you look, because we see these bikes every week now,
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: we get numb to what they look like. Go and
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: look at a twenty nineteen Honda compared to what Mark's
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: writing this year, and it looks like a different sport.
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: It doesn't even look like the same series. It's the
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: same guy. It's like, what category is this? It doesn't
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: look like murder GP at all. Because we've got so
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: used to all this arrow and I don't know, Keith,
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: I always think with these things that you've got to
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: try and find the balance between technical innovation and encouraging
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: the intellectual brilliance of someone that's come up with something.
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: But then at the end of the day, we're in
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: the entertainment business, right, and so does it add anything
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: to the show and the entertainment spectacle If everyone's spending
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: an insane amount of money to come to the same
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: end in that everyone's got the same stuff, some will
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: have it better than others, and we're pouring heaps of
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: money on these things that, yeah, they make the bikes faster.
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: But if everyone's doing it, then are we adding to
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: the spectacle? That's the thing I always think with this
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: in that I don't think people go to racetracks to
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: watch Motor GP to look at timesheets necessarily so we'll
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: all be impressed. Oh there's another circuit record gone. There's
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: another circuit record gone. The spectators want to see good racing.
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: And if we're pouring a heap of money on stuff
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: that makes the bikes look different, but we're all spending
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: money in the same areas, does it add to the spectacle.
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: I guess you've got to try and find the balance
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: between innovation and entertainment, right.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: I think what matter GP have done is a fantastic job.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: I mean when in any time in the past have
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: we seen a field full of motorbike within one point
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: two seconds of each other. Yeah, and I think that's
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: the key. Over over all those different platforms and configurations.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: We've got an entire field of twenty two to twenty
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: three if it's got a wild card out or something
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: within a second and a half, say, just to pick
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: up the stragglers at the back. It's incredible how close
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: it is considering that that has been done. But you're right,
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: innovation fantastic in a prototype series. But the cost, You're
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: right again, money GP cannot afford it. It's not Formula one.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: And the biggest victim in all of this is the
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: opportunity to pass. I mean nothing pisses people off more
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: than seeing that clever little Spanish devil pulling him behind
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: the bike in front just to get the temperature and
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: his tire where he needs it to do.
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: I mean, that is just ruins the whole atmosphere of
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: a money GP.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: What we want to see is twenty four laps or
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: whatever it might be, of everybody scrapping elbows in your
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: face and let's get on with it. I mean that's
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: but unfortunately, the more technically advanced, you get the more
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: difficult that becomes. Always remember Bradley Smith saying to me
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Philip Island. Actually, you know, you get within you know,
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: a few yards of a bike with plenty of arrow
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: on it, and you can hardly bloody hold onto your bike.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: It's all over the hockey, it's moving, it's been pushed
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: and pulled around so much. And at two hundred mile
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: an hour, suddenly you start to think two and a
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: mile an hour has become normal.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: Now everybody thinks about hour.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: We will say it with you know, impunity away We
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: always two one hundred and twenty five mile an hour
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: at Magello. Wow, that sounds pretty fast.
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: Bloody hell.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: I've not ever been to a race track where you
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: see a motorbike go past you at two hundre mile
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: an hour. It is insane and then you've got to
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: get it stopped. It's incredible. And the arrow affects everybody
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: in the field and makes passing difficult. And I think
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: that that's that's the issue. From a spectator point of view.
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: It's so interesting, Keith. You just mentioned Philip Island then,
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: and it made me think of and Roonita. I'm going
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: to do this twenty fifteen. The race before Malaysia twenty
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: fifteen was Australia. We remember how that all kicked off
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: there that at Philip Island. I think there was something
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: like it was one hundred and something overtakes between Rossi,
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: Lorenzo Marquez and Andrea Ynoni once he'd killed the seagull
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: on the first lap or second lap or whatever it was.
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: And you go back and if you see the highlights
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: of that race, those bikes have no arrow on them,
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: and so you wonder, is a race like that now
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: possible with the bikes being the way they are with
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: all the arrow because passing is so hard. The great
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: thing about that particular race he had four guys with
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: very different stakes, in very different styles, but they are
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: able to pass and scrap and it's gone down as
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: one of the great races of the modern era of
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: motor GP. I don't know if you can have a
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: race like that anymore, because it is just so damn
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: hard to pass because you've got all this arrow hanging
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: off the side of these things.
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: It is an issue.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: And I think also we've got to a situation where
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: everybody is on the limit. I mean, I'll make you
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: laugh with it. We'll go back to a Keith Huan
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: time of racing. British Grand Prix Silverston.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: I'd got the two factory Kawazakis in the three P
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: fifty race, which would have been the equivalent of MOO
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: two back in the day, and I managed to pass
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: Anton Manguana race. I managed to pass you on Francois.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: Bolde on the second factory Kawazaki, which was like twenty
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: or thirty mile an hour faster in a straight line
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: and anything else, and I passed him from about ten
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: yards behind. If I'd done that now, if anybody done
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: that now, or even given the opportunity to do that now,
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: they'd be on the moon. There is not a millimeter given.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: I'm not bigging myself up. What I'm saying is back
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: in the day when it was like amateur.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: Hour, in compared with where we are now, every single
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: rider is an athlete. Every single rider there's got his
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: hydration is physique. Everything is pinpoint focused to the absolute limit.
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: There isn't anything else. Nobody leaves anything on the table now.
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: We always talk about the good old day. It's a
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: good old days, buddy, el.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: We'd have a fag before we went out and we'd
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: drink you know, plenty of pints the night before, and
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: that was at brand prex level you know nowadays.
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: Wayne Garner made mine Back in the day. I mean
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: Wayne and I.
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: Got pessed one day before the Snatterton It was what
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: would have been a British super Vit type series thing
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: and we had a massive night out before both he
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: and I went out to set times the next day.
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: If they breathalyzed us, we'd have been thrown out the track.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: And it's kind of and that's how it was back
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: in the day, and we have moved forward and the
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: same thing goes with technicalities. They've moved forward to a
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: point now where we've gone to the end of this
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: alliot and everybody is right there. They're on the edge
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: of technology, they're on the edge of and nobody can.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what's going to bring us
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: back from that, and probably in my heart, I hope
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: it doesn't go back from that. I like the fact
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: that technically all of these brilliant brains are focusing on
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: getting their configuration, their particular platform into a position that
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: we're seeing not not the kind of racing that we
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: want to see it's gone a bit. I mean, aren't
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: going to get shot for this, and I'm sorry, but
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: it's gone a bit Formula one. You know, it's gone
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: a bit formula one. It's about technical more than anything else. Then,
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: But they can't pass unless you open the flat, you know,
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: for God's sake, you know, the only time they can go,
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: they've they've got to be given fifteen twenty mile an
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: hour more at the end of the strait to make
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: a pass.
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: Otherwise, Formula one.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: You know, once you're in front, you're in front forever
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: because they can't pass each other without a bit of
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: artificial assistance. God forbid we should ever go down that road. Liberty,
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: Please don't do that to us.
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: But it's it's a really different It's a real conflict,
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: isn't it.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know whether you feel the same way you guys,
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: but it's a real conflict because you want to see
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: this innovation, but the innovation has got us to a
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: point where the riders just can't quite get over the
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: fact that it's it's almost impossible to pass. Philip Island
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: is a track that gives you opportunities in places, and
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: you can be a bit greedy in places of Philip Islands.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: You know you're up and downdown. You've got fast stuff,
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: you've got slape stuff. There's an opportunity there, So you know,
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: that's why we love Philip Island. And I mean, in
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: a rider in the world I've ever come across that
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: doesn't like being a Philip pylon.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: And I don't know, I quite like the atmosphere of Philipilond.
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: I think that it's really old school. It's like going
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: back to the nineteen eighties. When you go to Philip Pyland.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: You know, you got them.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: Grizzled blokes with beards that look like they've been out
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: in the cold for like the last month.
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: You know, like their next job is to climb a
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: mountain somewhere. I don't know about watching motobile races.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: This is a big group of really enthusiastic people that
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: look like they're going to rip your head off if
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: you lick their beer.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: And I kind of like that old fashioned atmosphere Bona's areas.
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, if you went to Argentina, you used to
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: have a similar thing there. It was like nineteen eighties.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: You know, you're eating dotgey steaks with maggots in it
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: and all the rest of it. It was a really weird
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: place to go to and it kind of moves away
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: from the I don't know, the modernized Grand Prix racing
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: that we seem to be having in some places nowadays.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: I think my.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: My takeaway from that, and it's something that we spoke
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: about on the OMG podcast when the rules came out.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: It's something that me and might have spoken about a
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: lot on pittok is the fact that I think collectively
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: as a whole, we're all so excited for twenty twenty
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: seven for the new rules to come in to see
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: if we do get more of that overtaking, more of
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: that close old school racing like we used to have.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Because even though it is exciting and something that I
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: try and do with my social content is you know,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: if you like the passing and you like that closest
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: checkout motor GP, because we have it, we don't have
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: it like we used to do. And even if I
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: talked to Chris about it, it's the same that he's saying.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: It's not like it was.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: But hopefully these small changes can bring it that back
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: to that while still improving getting the best of both worlds.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: Well we got a tire change as well, don't we,
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: which I think is long over. Yeah, I mean again
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: you go back to the day. If we don't, if
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: we're talking about old school stuff, you'd have good year.
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: You'd have mentioned if you'd have done lot.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: You know that you had three different then Bridgestone came
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: in on the scene as well, so you would have
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: different time manufacturers, which made a difference. You know, if
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: you go to the good old Kiwi kra Far when
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: he won the British Grand Prix at Donnington Park on Dunlops. Somehow,
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: Dunlops were always the best tire at Donington Park for
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: some strange reason, whereas Mitchelin would kick Dunlop's ass just
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: about everywhere else.
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: We don't have that anymore.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: But I think we're not gonna have the same problems
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: with Perelli as we've had with Michelin's.
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: It used to be.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: I always remember Colin Edwards telling me something on the lines.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: I can't remember the exact way it went now, but Bridgestone,
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: you know, like you have to have faith with a
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: Bridgestone because whatever you thought you couldn't do with it,
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: you could you could. You know, you could trail break
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: in on a bridge stone the last minute, and it
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: was an incredible tire at the front end, but he
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: didn't have the grip at the back.
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: Michelin went the other way around.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: You remember when they first tested, they crashed their brains
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: out a sappan when Michelin came on, because it was
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: more of a fifty to fifty balanced deal and none
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: of the bikes were set for that, so they were
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: all falling off on. But I think when we come
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: to Perelli, this tire situation where you know, you can
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: be half a degree out in tire temperature and it
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: put the transgress the rules, it's just a bloody nightmare,
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: It's it just shouldn't be like that.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: And again it comes down to air row to a
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: certain extent, why we've got that problem as well. But
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: I don't think we're gonna have that problem with them
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: with Perelli, and we'll see agreed, right you too.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: I feel like we've waffled on an awful lot about
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: Moto tps. Quickly, just touch on this lower categories, just
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: super quick. I was sitting on the edge of my
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: seat during that Moto three race.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know about you guys. It's something that.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: I preach on here. Listeners, just tune into Moto three
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: because you know, if you're wanting that overtaking in the
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: passing and the elbows out like we love in racing,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: just watch it.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: It is so worthwhile.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: But we had two Aussies on the front row. Mat
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Jacob finally got his front row start in Moto three.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Can you believe it?
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: About bloody time? Jacob?
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he needed it too, didn't he Because you remember
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: what happened a week before at Cashilonia. The last time
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: we saw Jacob, he was next to the next to
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: his bike on the side of the track after a
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: broken down and looking like a young bloke that's under
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: a lot of pressure to find himself a seat for
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty six, which is what he is. So to
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: bounce back and get himself on the front row. Race
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: didn't go so great, he faded to outside the top
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: ten at the end. But to see Joel with his
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: new deal for twenty six qualify on the front row
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: and he's just off the podium and forth. Jacob was
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: pretty strong throughout the weekend. Better weekend for both of them,
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: but yeah, particularly for Jacob because that was not great.
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: It was pretty confronting TV that previous week because you
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: can see how much pressure the young Blake's under, can't you.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Yes or yes?
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: And then it's quickly Moto two Senna top five. We
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: love that for a Senna coming back from that injury.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: But obviously it's hard not to say Vieti was going
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: to do well this weekend because it's VR forty six
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: and he's part of that whole crew and everything. So yeah,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: that was Moto two in a nutshell, basically another Italian weekend.
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  Speaker 4: You guys, I mean you imagine where we're at. We're
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: you know, if we do the good old because we
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  Speaker 4: got to do it.
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  Speaker 3: Really, we've written versus Australia type thing, even though you're
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: an a sex boy, Matt, and the point being is
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: at center agis Joel colso that I mean they are
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  Speaker 3: there or thereabouts.
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  Speaker 4: I mean we've you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, Jake Dixon, now, our guy Jake Dixon does the
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: business sometimes and then gets himself in a muddle in
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  Speaker 3: other places, and we're just not quite where we need
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: to be really. I mean, Jake Dixon I had marked
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: up he could be a Mother two world champion. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we had Scott reading before that looked like he might
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  Speaker 3: be able to do it. We can't make breakthroughs here.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: And I keep looking at the bloody attendance for Motor
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  Speaker 3: GP Grand Prix as a whole over the over the year,
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  Speaker 3: and we're breaking records everywhere for attendancies except at Silveston.
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  Speaker 4: We've gone from.
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  Speaker 3: Forty eight thousand three years ago to forty five thousand
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  Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, to forty thousand people at
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: Trapside on the Sunday. And when when you do something
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  Speaker 3: up on the stage, you know, perhaps you're doing whatever
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: and you look out and all you can see is
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: bald heads and flat caps and gray air, you know, like,
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  Speaker 3: where's all the youngster's gone? Despite the fact we've got
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: some fairly well known bands up on the stage later
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  Speaker 3: on in the evening, my daughters all went to Silverston
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: after six o'clock at night so they could watch the bands.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they think for the Grand Prix, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, it's and I think that, well, the audits are
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: still batting, you're still you're still at the crease, you're
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: still having a go at it.
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  Speaker 4: Whereas I think the Brits we've rerived relying on.
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  Speaker 3: Jake Dixon at the moment, and you know Scott Ogden
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: in Moto three is not He's there or thereabouts, and
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: our rate Scott quite highly, but you know he's not
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: doing the business either. And you said it ren trying
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: to keep that contract. They're looking over their shoulder. I
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: mentioned it earlier on. There's a log jam of great
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: talent waiting to pinch these places. And when you're in
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: Motor three and Moto two, it's even not about talent.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: It's about how much money you can bring to the team.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: You know, the teams wouldn't.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: Survive if the rider didn't bring enough sponsorship or enough
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: cash into the team with them.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: And I think that we're going to see a bit
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: more of that coming over the next few years because
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: Motor three and Moto two, especially if Liberty and Dawn
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: are downgrade Moto too and Motor three little bit we
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: touched on it earlier, moves them back in the pattern,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: remove their visibility a little bit, and focus more on
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: other GP. The smaller classes then are going to have
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: even more trouble trying to attract the bucks that they
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: need to keep this going at the level it's at.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: But you're right, Mother three. Best race on it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, my favorite race probably ever was Motor three
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: Philip Island about five years ago, six years ago, I
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: can't remember what one. It was, Fifteen riders within a second,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: all of them going for it.
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  Speaker 5: Fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to white flag it and just say, you know,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: let's let's go. England and Australia are together because Joel
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: Kelso signed with Michael Lavity next year, so look, we're
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: all family here, we're all together on this.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: But I think.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: Basically it wraps up Irish what's the same anyway.
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  Speaker 4: Let me tell you politics wise, that is the absolute.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: It's the worst thing you can get involved in, because
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: Michael obviously runs under Anon Jack, but brother Eugene runs
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: under the Irish trickula because it is such a contested
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: issue in that particular part of the world.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: So we can leave it at that.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: And we've got Trump on our shores at the moment
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: as well, and you couldn't get any more contention here
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: in the UK at the minute.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Right on that note, Keith, thanks coming on pit talk,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: so nice to chat with.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: You, just like the olden days.
• 1:02:23
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• 1:02:54
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• 1:02:56
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• 1:03:03
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