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Sharri | 11 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Good Evening.
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Speaker 4: I never could have imagined that the devastating massacre of
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Speaker 4: one two hundred innocent children and families on October seven
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Speaker 4: would less than two years later reward those who perpetrated
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Speaker 4: it with symbolic statehood. But today this is what we saw,
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Speaker 4: with the Albanzi government declaring it would vote to recognize
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Speaker 4: the Palestinian state at the UN next month. Make no mistake,
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Speaker 4: this is the Albanesi government caving into the demands of
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Speaker 4: bloodthirsty terrorists who call recognition the fruits I quote fruits
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Speaker 4: of October seven. The Albenzi government has sunk lower than
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Speaker 4: we imagined by doing this.
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Speaker 3: Before the hostages are home.
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Speaker 4: And wild terrorists are calling the shots in Gaza.
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Speaker 3: Today.
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Speaker 4: The government even abandoned their own previous position that recognition
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Speaker 4: would be dependent on the release of the hostages.
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Speaker 3: I mean, how can.
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Speaker 4: They turn away from distressing images like this of the
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Speaker 4: devastating plight of hostages hev Attah David and Ron Braslowski,
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Speaker 4: who are literally starving to death in war crimes taking
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Speaker 4: place right.
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Speaker 3: Before our eyes.
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Speaker 4: In a despicable display of moral depravity, the Albanese government
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Speaker 4: no longer demands their release or the other fifty hostages
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Speaker 4: as a condition of recognition. Here was Australia's weakest ever
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Speaker 4: Prime minister making this announcement today.
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Speaker 5: Australia will recognize the ride up the Palestinian people to
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Speaker 5: a state of their own.
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Speaker 4: This cements the government as an ally to a terror
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Speaker 4: controlled hotspot who's very re and for being is to
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Speaker 4: kill Jews and destroy Israel. And it cements the government's
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Speaker 4: position as an enemy of the democratic state of Israel,
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Speaker 4: where Jews and Muslim Arabs lived together and govern side
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Speaker 4: by side in parliament. Albanese's press conference today was absurd
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Speaker 4: and it wasn't based on reality. It was fanciful. He
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Speaker 4: claimed recognition would bring about peace and would even disarm
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Speaker 4: her mus.
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Speaker 5: This is an opportunity to isolate her mass.
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Speaker 4: But he failed to outline precisely how her mass would
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Speaker 4: be disarmed, especially since he's also demanding Israel stop hunting
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Speaker 4: down the terrorists, and shockingly, not one of the journalists present.
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Speaker 3: Asked him this basic question.
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Speaker 4: How does he propose her mass will be disarmed and
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Speaker 4: removed from power?
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Speaker 3: No one asked it. What is wrong with the ca
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Speaker 3: Ambra press gallery now?
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Speaker 4: Albanesian Penny One claimed there were conditions on recognition, not
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Speaker 4: preconditions of cos but future conditions commitments. I've never heard
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Speaker 4: such a twisted and flawed negotiating tactic. Now, while those
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Speaker 4: commitments did not include the return of the hostages, they
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Speaker 4: did include the Palestinian authority promising to hold elections, pledging
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Speaker 4: to stop funding terror, and recognizing Israel's right to exist.
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Speaker 5: The Palestinian Authority has reaffirmed it recognizes Israel's right to
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Speaker 5: exist in peace and security. It has committed to demilitarize
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Speaker 5: and to hold general elections.
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Speaker 4: Now his argument is nonsensical for several reasons, and I'm
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Speaker 4: going to go through them.
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Speaker 3: Firstly, if these.
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Speaker 4: Conditions are not met, and it's highly unlikely they ever
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Speaker 4: will be, then Albanesi and Pennywog did not say that
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Speaker 4: Australia would walk away from Palestinian recognition. So here was
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Speaker 4: Pennywang responding to precisely this question, just on there's.
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Speaker 1: No situation in which we would revoke that recognition now
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Speaker 1: that it's.
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Speaker 6: Been our expectation is the international community will work with
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Speaker 6: all parties.
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Speaker 4: So, as you heard there, Pennywog was clearly asked if
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Speaker 4: she would withdraw recognition if the conditions aren't met, and
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Speaker 4: she didn't say recognition would be revoked, So there's no
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Speaker 4: incentive for the Palestinians to give up their funding of terror.
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Speaker 4: But it also means that these aren't really conditions at all.
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Speaker 4: If recognition isn't dependent on them, this is effectively unconditional
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Speaker 4: recognition now. Secondly, one of the supposed commitments extracted by
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Speaker 4: Albanesi from the Palestinian authority.
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Speaker 3: Is to hold elections.
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Speaker 4: Yet if there are elections held in the West Bank,
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Speaker 4: the likelihood is that the Palestinians would elect Hermas and
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Speaker 4: this is one of the reasons elections haven't been held
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Speaker 4: in twenty years, yes, twenty years, because there'd be Hamas
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Speaker 4: rule in the West Bank now. Thirdly, even if the
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Speaker 4: Palestinian authority remained in control, this is also deeply problematic.
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Speaker 4: It's an anti Semitic regime where children are indoctrinated from
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Speaker 4: birth to hate Israel.
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Speaker 3: This message is reinforced.
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Speaker 4: By their schooling system and on state television and the
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Speaker 4: Palestinian Authority. President Mahmurabas has had a pay for sleigh
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Speaker 4: policy where he's paid wounded terrorists and given a lifelong
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Speaker 4: salary to families whose sons are killed during the act
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Speaker 4: of terror. Now we heard the Prime Minister today claim
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Speaker 4: that Abbas has pledged to and this policy.
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Speaker 3: Have a look.
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Speaker 5: It has pledged to abolish the system of payments to
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Speaker 5: the families of prisoners and martyrs.
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Speaker 3: Note he says the word martyrs, not terrorists.
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Speaker 4: But Albanzi believes in the tooth fairy if he believes this,
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Speaker 4: because look what Mahmurdabas has actually said on this topic.
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Speaker 4: Just a short while after announcing the end of pay
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Speaker 4: for Sleigh, he said, and I quote, if we have
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Speaker 4: only a single penny left, it will go to the
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Speaker 4: prisoners and the martyrs. They must receive everything they did
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Speaker 4: in the past, and they are more honorable than all
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Speaker 4: of us.
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Speaker 3: And he went on.
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Speaker 4: Yet this is who the Albanesi government wants to run,
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Speaker 4: a new Palestinian state, a regime that is long funded
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Speaker 4: and celebrated terrorism. Albanzi also said that the United Nations
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Speaker 4: first declared there should be a Palestinian state back in
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Speaker 4: nineteen forty seven.
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Speaker 5: This is the plan. Australia was the first member of
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Speaker 5: the United Nations to vote for back in nineteen forty seven,
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Speaker 5: when we proudly supported the creation of the modern state
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Speaker 5: of Israel.
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Speaker 4: But in his delusion, he ignores what happened after that
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Speaker 4: UN resolution, which is that the Palestinians rejected it entirely
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Speaker 4: and Israel was immediately attacked. In what became known as
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Speaker 4: the War of Independence, five Arab nations attacked Israel, and
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Speaker 4: against the odds, the tiny Jewish state won and survived.
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Speaker 4: But much of the land assigned to the Palestinians by
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Speaker 4: the UN was then seized by Jordan, Egypt, or incorporated
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Speaker 4: into Israel, and ever since that moment, the Palestinians have
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Speaker 4: only rejected a two state solution. This includes Bill Clinton's
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Speaker 4: negotiations with yasa Arafat at Camp David in two thousand,
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Speaker 4: also from Israeli Prime Minister Ehud olmos offer to Mahmurabas
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Speaker 4: in two thousand and eight. Yes, the same Mahmurabas who
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Speaker 4: Albanizi is now negotiating with has already rejected a Palestinian
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Speaker 4: state that meant an Israeli one as well, and even
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Speaker 4: in two thousand and five, Israel withdrew from Gaza, allowing
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Speaker 4: it to self govern and this only led to the
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Speaker 4: bloodshed of October seven and tens, if not hundreds of
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Speaker 4: billions of dollars in international aid was exploited and misused
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Speaker 4: for terrorism. We now see a network of tunnels instead
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Speaker 4: of a modern, sophisticated city. Now Albanzi should study this history,
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Speaker 4: and if he did, he would know how unrealistic. His
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Speaker 4: claim is that recognition would magically lead to Hermas and
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Speaker 4: other terrorists laying down arms. Yet that's what we heard
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Speaker 4: repeatedly from both Albanesi and Wog today, that recognition would
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Speaker 4: lead to Hermas disarming and would bring about peace.
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Speaker 6: We have an opportunity as a nation to contribute to
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Speaker 6: momentum towards two states, and that is the only prospect
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Speaker 6: for peace.
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Speaker 3: The only prospect for peace.
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Speaker 4: Albanesi and Wog failed to outline how Hermas will be
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Speaker 4: removed if Israel withdraws from Gaza, which is what they're
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Speaker 4: insisting on. Will the Palestinian authority fight Hermus militarily?
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Speaker 3: No chance.
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Speaker 4: So who will remove the terrorists? The French, the Canadians,
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Speaker 4: our Australian military. I mean, don't make me laugh. This
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Speaker 4: is ut a fantasy. And speaking of fantasy, Albanizi today
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Speaker 4: fulfilled his lifelong fantasy to recognize Palestine.
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Speaker 3: This was a dream for him that began.
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Speaker 4: When he was a pro Palestinian protester yelling into a
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Speaker 4: megaphone outside the US Embassy in Sydney.
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Speaker 7: Owing wells as.
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Speaker 4: There were American and Israeli flags burned in that protest.
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Speaker 4: And Albinizi is still to this day that rabid activist,
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Speaker 4: only now he's dressed in an expensive suit and has
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Speaker 4: the title Prime Minister. Alberzi, as you know, was also
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Speaker 4: the co founder of the Labor Friends of Palestine group.
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Speaker 4: He grossly misled Australians when he claimed he'd moved from
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Speaker 4: the left of the Labor Party to the center and
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Speaker 4: adopted Australian values. I've said repeatedly it wasn't true. And
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Speaker 4: now we are all seeing his true colors. And the
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Speaker 4: reality is Albanzi has taken Australian foreign policy into a
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Speaker 4: dark and dangerous place.
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Speaker 3: If you think I'm being dramatic, consider this.
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Speaker 4: Albanizi will meet with the corrupt anti Semitic Palestinian leader
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Speaker 4: a bus before he's even met with the President of
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Speaker 4: the United States. Trump was elected nine months ago, nine
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Speaker 4: months not one meeting during that time. There is something
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Speaker 4: seriously wrong in the state of Denmark. When the Australian
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Speaker 4: Prime Minister aligns himself with dictators like Palestinian President mahmurabas
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Speaker 4: a long fund of terrorism and Chinese President Shijingping, but
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Speaker 4: not with the United States, Albanesi has abandoned our conventional
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Speaker 4: Australian values that in the past saw us as a
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Speaker 4: strong ally to America and Israel. And today was also
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Speaker 4: a major slap in the face for Jewish Australians who've
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Speaker 4: been repeatedly betrayed and abandoned by this pathetic government. The
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Speaker 4: position of the Albanese government will only energize the worst elements.
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Speaker 3: In our society.
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Speaker 4: It will have a devastating impact in that it vindicates
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Speaker 4: the aggressive protesters and makes life even less.
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Speaker 3: Safe for us here in Australia.
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Speaker 4: In Australia, but Albanesi has his head in the sand
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Speaker 4: because he claimed today that we have a harmonious community.
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Speaker 5: They want a harmonious community, which is what we have.
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Speaker 4: This is a statement of grotesque denial. He viewed the
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Speaker 4: Harbor Bridge rally as one of peace and humanity instead
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Speaker 4: of what it truly was, a defiling of our national
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Speaker 4: icon with terrorist flags and Nazi symbols.
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Speaker 3: Now, I've said it before.
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Speaker 4: Life for Jewish Australians is physically and emotionally unsafe under
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Speaker 4: this morally corrupt government. And this is a serious situation
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Speaker 4: for us in Australia. There's no sugarcoating it. We are
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Speaker 4: living through dark and racist times now is ready Prime
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Speaker 4: Minister Benjamin Nettinna, who earlier today described Albanese's recognition of
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Speaker 4: a Palestinian state as shameful, his comments coming several hours
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Speaker 4: before the Prime Minister's press conference, to have.
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Speaker 8: The European countries and Australia march into that, march into
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Speaker 8: that rabbit hole, just like that, fall right into it.
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Speaker 8: This canard is disappointing and I think it's actually shameful.
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Speaker 3: And he's one hundred percent right.
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Speaker 4: This is not momentum towards peace, as Penny one claims.
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Speaker 3: It's meaningless virtue signaling around the Middle East.
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Speaker 4: And I say meaningless because the US will veto this
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Speaker 4: move at the United Nations. So in Australia we have
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Speaker 4: a government that no longer sees eye to eye with
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Speaker 4: Washington and has abandoned traditional Australian values, but has a
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Speaker 4: warped ideology in line with the European Left. In the future,
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Speaker 4: when the political leadership changes from woke left governments in
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Speaker 4: the UK, France, Canada and Australia, they'd likely take a
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Speaker 4: different view on recognition. And that's certainly the case in
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Speaker 4: Australia where Coalition had this to say today.
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Speaker 6: Mister Albernizi needs to clearly explain to the Australian people
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Speaker 6: how his statements today do not risk rewarding and inboalding
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Speaker 6: a terrorist organization.
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Speaker 1: The risk current is that this is rewarding terrorists. This
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Speaker 1: is a reward to her Mass for what they started
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Speaker 1: on October seven. That's it's a dreadful president.
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Speaker 3: So let's call this out for what it is.
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Speaker 4: The Albanese government's position enables terrorism. Yes, they are terrorists enablers.
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Speaker 3: Instead of putting.
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Speaker 4: Pressure on her Mus to release the hostages and commit
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Speaker 4: to a ceasefire, they're putting pressure on Israel to walk away.
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Speaker 3: And leave the terrorists in place.
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Speaker 4: And they've given the Palestinians everything they want without them
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Speaker 4: having to make any concessions to achieve peace. Hamas will
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Speaker 4: now see no reason to stop their campaign of terror
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Speaker 4: because look what they're murdering, killing, spree of one two
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Speaker 4: hundred babies, little children, young women, mothers and fathers has
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Speaker 4: achieved for them an historic reward by illusional Western governments
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Speaker 4: at the United Nations.
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Speaker 3: They're by Barrack.
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Speaker 4: Slaughter of the likes of the Bibass babies has been
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Speaker 4: a diplomatic success.
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Speaker 3: Shame on you, Albanesi, and shame on you. Penny Wong.
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Speaker 4: And Farmer, Speaker of the House Broman Bishop and Sky
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Speaker 4: News host Joe Hildebrand joined me, Now, bromin your reaction.
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Speaker 9: One I've discussed, but not surprise.
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Speaker 2: I think Albanesi has shown himself to be a coward.
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Speaker 2: He's seeking the cover of Starmer and of Macron to
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Speaker 2: cover his weakness in fulfilling what he set.
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Speaker 9: Out to do as a university student.
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Speaker 2: Remember his visit to go and see mister Corbyn when
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Speaker 2: mister Corbyn was the head of the Labor Party in
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Speaker 2: the UK, when anti Semitism flourished in the Labor Party.
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Speaker 9: Those people haven't gone away, They're still around. And remember
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Speaker 9: that it was during.
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Speaker 2: The mandate of the British over Palestine that when Jews
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Speaker 2: were fleeing Hitler, that the British stopped them going into
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Speaker 2: the Palestinian mandate. And remember also that under the French
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Speaker 2: visy France, of course, of which mitterarent was the part
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Speaker 2: that they transported tens of thousands of Jews into the
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Speaker 2: gas ovens in Germany and Poland.
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Speaker 9: This is the.
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Speaker 2: History the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who was a Pan
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Speaker 2: Arabist and then solely concentrating on the development of a
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Speaker 2: Palestinian state. He went to Hitler and asked him please
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Speaker 2: come and give the final solution and kill all the
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Speaker 2: Jews in the Palestinian Mandate. This is a long, long
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Speaker 2: process and to stand there and give that pathetic speech
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Speaker 2: today is a man of cowardice, a man who is
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Speaker 2: not prepared to stand up to minority statements in this
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Speaker 2: country where there is a demand constantly in the Muslim times,
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Speaker 2: for instance, that there be sanctions against Israel. This is
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Speaker 2: because they want votes from those people. And it is
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Speaker 2: despicable but understandable, because a leopard does not change his spots,
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Speaker 2: and that's what Albanesi is. And as for Betty Wong,
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Speaker 2: of course, China is also in favor of the Palestinian state.
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Speaker 2: Are they also taking their instructions from the communist Chinese
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Speaker 2: and the Econmunist Party of China. What happened in the
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Speaker 2: two hour speech between mister Albanzi and Presidency that were
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Speaker 2: not covered by any media. What happened in that speech,
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Speaker 2: what agreements were made, we don't know.
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Speaker 9: But here we see it has been a long progression.
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Speaker 2: There's nothing accidental about the way the propaganda has gone
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Speaker 2: with regard to Palestine and the murder of all those people.
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Speaker 2: It has been staged all the way along, and it's
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Speaker 2: been assisted by people who are people who should.
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Speaker 9: Be of integrity and simply are not.
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Speaker 3: I mean, there is.
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Speaker 4: No doubt suffering in Gaza, but this move does not
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Speaker 4: help the Palestinians. To help the Palestinians, you need to
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Speaker 4: remove Hamas.
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Speaker 10: It's difficult to see. I mean, there's obviously huge amounts
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Speaker 10: of catch twenty twos and non sequiturs in this proposal.
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Speaker 10: The hope, obviously is that you remove her Maas by
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Speaker 10: basically isolating them and saying to the population of Gaza
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Speaker 10: as well as to the West Bank, if you want
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Speaker 10: to be recognized, you have to get rid of Hermas.
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Speaker 10: You cannot vote for Hermas and presume it's basically saying, look,
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Speaker 10: we'll give you democracy but you've got to vote the
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Speaker 10: right way. You might argue that that's a bit of
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Speaker 10: a problematic approach in the first place, but it's impossible,
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Speaker 10: and then that's right. It is very difficult, there is
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Speaker 10: no question. But clearly they've said, look, this is the
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Speaker 10: Palatinian authority, which doesn't control Gaza, as you know, is
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Speaker 10: the letter of two evils. It's corrupt, but it is
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Speaker 10: not as extreme as Hamas. And if we say that
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Speaker 10: we recognize them and that if people go in the
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Speaker 10: other direction that will be deprived them of statehood, that
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Speaker 10: is maybe one way of trying to provide more currency.
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Speaker 10: I think it's also a response to Benjamin Etna who's
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Speaker 10: recent push to actually have a full military occupation of
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Speaker 10: Gaza City, if not all of Gaza, and it is
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Speaker 10: a very deliberate response. In fact, you know, other UK
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Speaker 10: government for example, has said that they imposed sanctions and
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Speaker 10: less sorry, impose the provide recognition unless Israel doesn't cease fire,
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Speaker 10: unless Israel opens up the gats.
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Speaker 9: So they used to get.
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Speaker 3: The entire time.
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Speaker 10: But this is this is what they're saying in the
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Speaker 10: next questions of whether the aid is going in and
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Speaker 10: stuff like that. But I think.
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Speaker 3: It's not being distributed by the United Nations.
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Speaker 9: So all that stuff is rubbish.
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Speaker 10: What this is the thinking behind what?
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Speaker 9: There is no thing behind it.
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Speaker 2: They were determined to do it and they've wrapped it
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Speaker 2: up on a load of rubbish, which you just nobody
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Speaker 2: believes this was He's been planned.
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Speaker 9: It has been going on since.
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Speaker 7: I think.
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Speaker 2: Netanya who was forced into that decision by the West
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Speaker 2: turning against it, the cowardly behavior of Macron who was
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Speaker 2: the first and then smer with that party as it was.
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Speaker 9: And as for the Canadian progners.
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Speaker 10: Military advice telling him that a full occupation.
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Speaker 2: But I like what about his statement that he made
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Speaker 2: in that statement Latina who we will not commit national
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Speaker 2: suicide to get a good op ed and two minutes
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Speaker 2: we won't do it.
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Speaker 3: Exactly, very strong. We are out of time. I'm so sorry.
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Speaker 4: So today we only had a half hour program. Brunwin, Joe,
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Speaker 4: thank you so much. All right, after this break, I'll
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Speaker 4: be joined by Julian Lisa's shadow Attorney general to continue
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Speaker 4: this discussion. Welcome back, and let's bring in our shadow
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Speaker 4: Attorney General, Julian Lisa. Julian, do you think the conditions
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Speaker 4: that Albanezi spoke of should have been met before recognition
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Speaker 4: rather than after.
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Speaker 7: Well, clearly, Shari, these are conditions that should have been
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Speaker 7: met with recognition. That's the final point, not as the
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Speaker 7: first point. This is a very sad day in Australian
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Speaker 7: foreign policy. Anthony Alberzi and Penny Wong have sold out
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Speaker 7: a friend, an ally and a security partner for no
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Speaker 7: apparent benefit.
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Speaker 8: Here.
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Speaker 7: This is not going to bring peace to the Middle East.
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Speaker 7: It's not going to bring the hostages home, it's not
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Speaker 7: going to see more people being fed, it's not going
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Speaker 7: to see a peace process that comes about. This is
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Speaker 7: just posturing at the United Nations. And there's no way
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Speaker 7: that mister Albanesi can guarantee that any of the conditions
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Speaker 7: he's put forward will be met. Yes, to answer the question,
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Speaker 7: what if Hamas then goes and gets elected in elections
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Speaker 7: on the West Bank, what then? No one seems to
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Speaker 7: be able to answer any of those questions. Half baked
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Speaker 7: idea and this isn't how we should be making the
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Speaker 7: foreign policy of this country.
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Speaker 4: Precisely, And Julian, you're a lawyer looking at this from
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Speaker 4: a legal perspective. Do the Palestinian territories even meet the
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Speaker 4: legal requirements for statehood.
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Speaker 7: Well, I think there's a real question about that, and
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Speaker 7: one of those questions is that question of government. Who
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Speaker 7: is the government? So Hamas is de facto still the
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Speaker 7: government for a large part of Gaza, the Palestinian authority itself.
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Speaker 7: There haven't been elections there for twenty years. If they
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Speaker 7: hold elections there, it's very unlikely or the commentators suggest
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Speaker 7: that mister Abbus would win those elections and that his
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Speaker 7: party would win, and so there may be some other
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Speaker 7: terrorist organization like Hamas that could win those elections. So
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Speaker 7: you have a real question mark about whether the Palestinian
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Speaker 7: territories can meet the definition of statehood.
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Speaker 4: I also am concerned, and I heard Alex Rifchin speak
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Speaker 4: about this earlier as well, that these comments today will
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Speaker 4: only vindicate and emboldened pro Palestinian agitators here in Australia
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Speaker 4: and increase anti Semitism.
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Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on this, Well.
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Speaker 7: I've argued for a long time, Shari that some of
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Speaker 7: the government's positioning in relation to Israel has had an
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Speaker 7: effect here and it has legitimized some of the anti
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Speaker 7: Semitism that's been going on in this country. The government
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Speaker 7: Let's remember has a detailed report from Jillian Siegel, the
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Speaker 7: Special enviyne Anti Semitism, and they have not committed to
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Speaker 7: a single one of the recommendations that she has, despite
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Speaker 7: the fact that that report has now been out for
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Speaker 7: more than a month. It's time the government committed to
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Speaker 7: those recommendations and took this issue seriously.
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Speaker 4: And not only that, but he still describes the harbor
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Speaker 4: Bridge rally as peaceful. How can he ignore the terrorist flags,
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Speaker 4: the harmask symbols, the swastikas that were displayed on that march.
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Speaker 7: Not to mention the photographs of the leader of the
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Speaker 7: terror Regi Moran, and people calling for intafada. I mean,
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Speaker 7: our harbor Bridge should not be being used for these purposes.
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Speaker 7: A national symbol of unity should not be hijacked for
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Speaker 7: causes that are of division. I supported the view of
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Speaker 7: the police and the Min's government in relation to this
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Speaker 7: very strongly. But these protests just continue. And for all
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Speaker 7: those people who have been turning a blind eye to
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Speaker 7: the terrorism of Hamas, they'll be popping the champagne corks tonight.
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Speaker 4: Indeed, and just finally, Julian, we also saw neo Nazi
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Speaker 4: protests in Melbourne over the weekend. So there's anti semitism
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Speaker 4: from the fire right and the far left here in Australia.
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Speaker 7: Yes, I want to condemn the Police Commissioner of Victoria
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Speaker 7: again because he has come on board and said he
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Speaker 7: doesn't need a permit law like we have in New
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Speaker 7: South Wales. He doesn't need move on powers. And the
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Speaker 7: Victorian labor gouvern it has continued to show weakness. They
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Speaker 7: promised to bring in a range of reforms after the
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Speaker 7: dreadful attacks on a dust is Ral. They have not
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Speaker 7: brought in a single reform. We can't have protesters of
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Speaker 7: the far right, of the far left, of an Islamist
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Speaker 7: variety taking over our streets.
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Speaker 4: Apologies, we're out of time. Thank you so much for
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Speaker 4: joining us tonight, Julian and I'll have more to say
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Speaker 4: on this tomorrow at eight o'clock.
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Speaker 3: I'll see you. Then, here's Paul Murray.