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Dark Side Of The Boob: The Murky History Of Pornography · Hocus Pocus Lack Of Focus

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  With others fall to rock a hocus pocus Lack of Focus, the very
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  uneducational podcast that lubes up and books weird topics such
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  as witchcraft, paranormal activity, real crime, fake news,
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  and my genitalia. I'm your resident, soon to goon
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  buffoon Justy, and when I heard we were doing a show on porn's
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  dark history, I thought it meant Ebony MILF videos.
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  I'm joined, as always, by our demon harassing Hostess who
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  wants to talk about porn but doesn't.
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  Actions speak louder than words? Where's your hand?
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  Fucking only man, you bitch. It's Daddy Thomas.
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  Do you want to do you want to do another shake for that or are
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  you guys? Felt.
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  Felt. Genuine.
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  That's yeah. Like I actually get that on a
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  daily basis though as well, so yeah.
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  Yeah, like. It's mostly for me.
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  Is what I said true? Danny, you want to do a podcast
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  on pornography? The dark history of pornography,
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  because it is a very it does have a very, very dark, seedy,
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  lengthy past that we're going to get into.
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  Disagree. I think it has a wonderfully
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  bright and wonderful past. I think it's blossomed true
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  years and has become this lovely little flower that I water every
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  day with my semen. I.
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  Love it. And I'm not just saying that
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  because I am highly addicted to pornography.
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  I could. I could.
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  Quit anytime I want. For the carpal tunnel.
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  Oh my wrist risky business. We didn't we we had we did not
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  we did not discuss much before this.
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  This was basically just no water.
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  Let's go so. I was late doing a spell.
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  I had to wait for the spell candle to to burn down or set my
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  house on fire. So I had to wait with that.
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  That's why I was like. Right, so let's just get.
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  Into it. Oh, actually I have to say
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  Before We start my job has found my podcast.
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  Oh nice. So I don't really like it it it.
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  That's basically where our influx of five star boats came
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  from in the last two days. So thank you to everybody,
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  specifically Dre. I really appreciate you all.
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  Thanks Danny's job. But I was like, literally I,
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  they had asked about it and then I had mentioned it like I was
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  just like, oh, whatever. Like put it out of my mind.
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  And then today one of the guys came in and he was just like,
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  oh, I was listening to your podcast while I was doing my
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  shop. I was like, huh.
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  I was just like, and then someone was like, what's your
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  podcast about? I was like, I don't even know.
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  I was like, I don't listen to it back.
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  These are just drunk conversations between me and my
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  sober friends. That's.
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  What I say, Yeah, You're drunk. I have to fucking deal with
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  this. Exactly.
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  You have to remember this shit. I know, I know, but I was like,
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  I don't listen to it back. I just have like, oh, I've never
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  listened or never liked listening to any podcast back
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  and like Connor still listens to scream Queen posts it and I'm
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  like, you're such a narcissist. I've listened to a bit of this
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  part, but only. Listenable.
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  But yeah, only to like, see what it's like.
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  And to be honest with you, it is unlistenable.
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  So I'll just put this warning on here.
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  Now, if you're planning on listening to this podcast and
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  thinking that you might be educated or entertained, neither
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  of those things are going to happen.
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  What's going to happen is you're going to fucking just fall into
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  a deep psychosis the same as we are.
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  I actually think that these these recording sessions are
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  actually just me having some kind of coma fucking fever
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  dream. Some.
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  Weird, I don't know I took I took shrooms 23 by like I think
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  I told you before that I overdosed on them.
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  I don't know if you can overdose on on a fungus but I took like
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  Turkey shrooms and one sitting and I had a twitch for like 6
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  months afterwards and I think that these podcast recordings
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  are just some residual flashbacks from some fucking
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  shit that happened while I was high on mushrooms.
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  And people seem to like it, so, you know, But I will ask you, if
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  you're going to listen to it, please rate it five stars first.
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  Thank you very much. Yeah, don't really rain
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  afterwards. There's still nappy feeling.
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  Five stars. Just just give us the five and
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  and and then then we can go from there.
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  But OK, so porn, right? I grew up weirdly really
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  interested in, I don't know what's the word, like the whole
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  look, the whole porn star look like, you know, the 90s Pamela
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  Anderson, Jenna Jameson, like all that.
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  I have like an Anna Nicole Smith tattoo, like literally that was
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  like my, I was just always like fascinated by it.
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  One of like my favorite books of all time is Jenna Jameson's
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  autobiography that she wrote with Neil Strauss.
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  I thought you were gonna say she wrote with crayons.
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  And it's, I don't know if you've read it, but like, it's Neil
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  Strauss. Anything Neil Strauss does
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  anyway is incredible. He wrote The Dirt as well with
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  Mötley Crüe. He's done like a few other.
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  He did like everyone loves you when you're dead, which is
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  really good. It's like a collection of all
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  different because he he was like the main interviewer for Rolling
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  Stone. I don't know if he still is, but
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  he was for a long time. And it's just like excerpts of
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  all these different like fucking mental interviews.
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  Like, he talks about how he did one with Snoop Dogg and he had
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  to go and like, meet him in a car in some random parking lot
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  because he had a hit out on him at the time.
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  And he was literally like, they were just driving around, like
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  downtown LA trying to like, avoid being seen by anybody.
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  Joe Snoop Dogg has porn, Does he?
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  Yeah, I've. Done.
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  I've done my research too Danny. I just heard about this a couple
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  of days ago and what was whilst researching the history of porn,
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  not the dark history because I don't believe there is one it
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  got into. I don't want to I don't want to
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  go too far up in the years but as it got into like the 90s and
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  2000s of Sat are going on to like how hip hop and porn
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  crossed over and Snoop Dogg has like a soft core porn called
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  doggy style and he's not naked or riding in it at all.
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  He's just rapping while there's people fucking around him.
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  Apparently that's. Kind of.
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  I mean, he does have a relaxing voice.
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  Yeah. Like.
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  You know, like it would be kind of, yeah, I could.
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  I could see that kind of doing it for some people.
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  Not for me, but anyway. So Jenna Jameson's book it is.
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  Cats freaking out. Bingo, that's true.
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  It's no surprise that she no surprise that she had like a
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  horrible childhood and the whole book goes from like as far back
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  as she can remember into the industry or whatever.
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  She didn't really go like too in depth into it because I into
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  like how bad it was because I think she did still have
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  figuratively speaking her finger and a few pies still within the
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  industry at this time. So this came out like she's like
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  2000 and five 2006 around that time.
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  But it was really good and she did like this whole chapter.
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  I'm like, so she was obviously started off as a stripper, did
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  the nitty gritty of the strip clubs.
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  Like there's this whole like a chapter on it.
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  It's like a cartoon kind of drawn thing.
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  And it's like injuries you get as a stripper.
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  And like she's she's just been concussed so many times just
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  from coming back up too fast, just cracking her head on the
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  pole and like, you know, like shin splints, things like that,
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  like just mental shit. And she has another chapter
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  which is like how to give the perfect blowjob which like.
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  Yeah, I skipped. I skipped past that one.
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  I was looking for the chapter how to receive a perfect blowjob
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  Boy just. But it's it's a really, it's a
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  really sad book and I so so how are?
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  My all time favorites. A tough wank is what you're
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  saying? There's pictures in the middle,
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  but yeah, I mean, if you don't read any of the words, maybe you
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  could probably like crank one into it.
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  But like so she had she read this book whatever and I, I read
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  it. I was still in school when I
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  read it but then like. Holland Dab's gonna go fucking
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  wild. Dolly, have some respect for the
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  the literary genius that is Jenna Jameson, please.
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  Oh, you. Prick my cat.
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  But yeah, anyway, so yeah. So I tweeted about it, just I
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  was reading it again and she retweeted it and followed me.
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  I was like Raven, I loved her. I was like, this is so fucking
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  cool. Added me on Snapchat, added me
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  on like fucking Facebook and stuff.
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  So I would talk to her quite regularly and she was fine.
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  And then she went fucking mental when she converted to Judaism
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  and. She's, she's just a.
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  Fucking crazy person. I had to block it.
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  Yeah, she's just. Mental.
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  That's like a weird turn, yeah. And I'm just trying to give you
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  like my my personal experiences with with the porn world that
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  and Ron Jeremy also thought that I was a Cam girl.
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  Remember that he was like. Messaging.
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  Me all the time. Have a vague memory of you
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  sharing some Ron Jeremy stuff, all right?
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  Yeah. Yeah, and he was trying to get
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  me to go on his show, called up and comers, and you can imagine
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  how comers is spelt. And then he went to prison for
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  rape. So that'll lead us into the dark
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  history of porn. That was just my, my, my whole
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  thing. So history of porn long, complex
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  and deeply intertwined with issues of exploitation,
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  censorship, violence and power. Well, not all porn is inherently
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  harmful. In dark History reveals
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  troubling patterns of abuse, coercion, and ethical
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  violations, especially before modern regulations and consent
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  standards were developed. So brief breakdown here, so
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  ancient to pre modern pornography wasn't always
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  artistic. Ancient civilizations like
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  Greece, Rome, India and Japan produced erotic art, some
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  spiritual, some purity for titillation, child
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  sexualization, bestiality and non consensual imagery appeared
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  in some ancient depictions normalized under different moral
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  frameworks, sexual slavery and performance.
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  So in ancient Rome and elsewhere, enslaved people were
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  often forced to perform sex acts publicly or in private, which
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  blurred the lines between entertainment and abuse.
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  These performances were sometimes documented visually or
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  orally, functioning as early forms of pornographic material.
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  So this is still something that very much happens.
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  Are you OK there? Fucking cat keep scratching the
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  door and every time I open the door she fucking runs off and I
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  swear to God I'm going to fucking strangle her.
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  It's not the pussy I wanted to be talking about today, Danny.
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  But wait, I listen to this. It's so, it's so negative what
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  you're talking about. Why can't we just have a nice
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  little talk about porn? Like my notes are the opposite,
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  the opposite of what yours are. What are your notes?
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  Give me one positive. Thing to say.
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  Let me paint you a picture then. All right?
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  If we're going to talk about the history of pornography, one man,
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  a piece of Flint, strikes that Flint.
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  Alex. Off a rock.
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  Put the sound effects in for him.
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  Oh my God. Oh my God.
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  This man has created a fire in his cave away from the other.
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  You can hear the rain beating down outside, some Thunder, this
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  man. That's.
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  The least? Thunderous Thunder.
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  I've ever I'm. Working with only bold chords
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  here. OK, so you get it.
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  It's damp. It's cold outside.
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  He's created. A fire.
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  He's got some sticks. This fire illuminates The Cave
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  wall. What is on that cave wall?
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  A crude picture of some big fat titties, some cave woman
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  titties, and that man is about to book in beat his prehistoric
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  meat. There has been pornography,
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  there has been iconography, images of sex and sexual acts
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  for millennia. Just for millennia.
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  Yes, Danny. But then I didn't start going on
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  about how fucking people were riding kids and animals.
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  Let's just think about the art of pornography for a minute.
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  That dates. Back.
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  I will get dates back to. Cave drawings in France by the
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  way, French always the horniest people, these cave drawings.
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  Oh yeah, in. In in ancient France, 10s of
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  thousands of years ago. Then let's just zip forward to
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  ancient Greece, where? There was no.
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  Stigma to sexuality where people would have body images and
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  statues that glorified sex, where it wasn't this thing that
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  we have to sit in dark rooms in front of our laptops or, you
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  know, go off to the toilets and work for a a cheeky wank because
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  things are getting so fucking stressful and you just.
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  Won't stop. Fucking.
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  Getting on your. Box so you just need some
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  fucking release so you just. Go out here fucking.
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  No sex and sexuality was open out in public in Greece and you
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  could see that in the art that he not hidden away somewhere but
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  out in public forums where. People.
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  Could embrace the human form, the sexual silhouettes, the
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  Congress of man, woman, sometimes woman and woman,
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  sometimes man and man, sometimes goat and pig, or whatever you
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  know. Yeah, but for the most.
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  For the most part, Danny, it's this beautiful, beautiful thing
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  where people just experience it in open air.
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  Same with the the Romans, same with the ancient Egyptians.
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  They all had it out in the open. They just like there's papyrus
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  with sexual images. Papyrus, Papyrus, Danny, one of
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  the early, earliest known forms of paper.
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  And what did they use it for? Showing us the beautiful images
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  of people getting it on. It's the same as Pompeii where
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  ancient Pompeii where it's this beautiful place where you can
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  see just a snapshot in time, just like freeze frame when that
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  volcano came splurting out like a fucking semen filled erection
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  and just cover those people in it's magma.
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  It encased them and held them in a like some people were actually
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  in the sex acts as it was happening.
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  It was so fast and so furious, so spurious.
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  And they've got images on the walls in the art that showed
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  sexual acts just out in the open, Danny Not hidden away.
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  Not like me with my foldings of Playboy magazines and dirty
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  playing cards hidden away in my nez where you flip it up, you
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  flip it up. And I hid it.
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  There was a Nez and a wardrobe and I hid all my dirty, lewd
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  1970s playing card, hairy Bush women that I stole from my Andes
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  Anne Summers, Anne Summers bag that I raided and saw all those
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  naked playing cards. I hid them away in the Nez, the
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  1988 version of the Nintendo Entertainment System with its
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  flip up top. I put, I put my pornography in
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  there. But the people of Pompeii,
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  Danny, they didn't hide it away. The people of ancient Greece,
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  ancient Mesopotamia, all these places, they didn't hide it
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  away, Danny. They had it out, they had it
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  out. In, in for all to see and for
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  all to hold in its glory. Sex wasn't a bad thing in the
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  ancient times, it wasn't. There's no dark history here,
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  Danny. It was beautiful.
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  Beautiful bright world I wish we could have lived in.
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  Anyway, so that's this week's episode.
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  No, right? Let's bring it down.
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  Let's make it miserable. It's it's it's funny that you
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  were saying it wasn't hidden away.
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  It wasn't, you know, it was, it was out in the open because it
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  was because they used to just have people fucking as like
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  entertainment at parties, which is essentially they still do
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  that. Look at the ditty parties where
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  it's basically freak offs where you get together and they make
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  them do all this weird fucking shit.
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  You're like initiated into it. You have to do weird shit to
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  freak off. Not the same, but.
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  Yeah, not the same at all. How is it not?
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  It's exactly the. Same because in ancient Greece,
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  this kind of stuff was was just done.
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  It was just out there. People like there, there was no
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  such thing as kind of like privacy in the way that we think
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  about privacy now. So like there was no more closed
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  doors parties where you snuck off.
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  Like stuff was happening. Like you, you slept in a bed,
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  which are brothers and sisters and mother and father.
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  Like the kids were watching their parents fuck because they
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  had nowhere else to go. It was just happening.
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  Sex was a part of daily life. There was no kind of seedy
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  parties where you run off, fucking have sex and then record
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  it so that you can blackmail people that run.
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  You can't blackmail people if everybody's doing it.
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  It was the glory days. This is what?
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  Bruce Springsteen wanted us to fucking live like.
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  So the earliest printed porn basically came about in the
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  1400s. Printing press enabled mass
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  production. Invention of the press in the
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  15th century allowed for widespread distribution of
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  erotic material. So you're right, they're
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  literally years and years and years and years and years.
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  They had to stop using Flint drawings papyrus and they start
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  what you think about it. Danny, this like every
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  technology that comes along, we'll get into it as as
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  technology fucking speeds up. But the print and press is just
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  this one thing how it furthers like I'm here's here's something
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  that you're not going to fucking discuss.
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  Danny, here's something that you're not going to fucking
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  mention how these erotic writings think about it, Danny.
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  How many people do you think were literate in the 1400s?
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  Not a fucking laugh, Danny. Not a fucking laugh, Danny.
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  So let's just say that only the people, the noble people could
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  afford to have these erotic drawings.
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  So what it is? What could we say that these
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  these erotic people needed? People were think about it now,
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  right? Think about it now.
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  We don't have it. We don't have it.
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  You think that I'm anti porn? I'm not anti porn.
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  I'm giving. Anti porn?
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  Why didn't you come in with the glorious golden age of
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  pornography? No, we have to.
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  Tag. CD site because you always want
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  to have the negative thing, don't you?
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  Everything, everything you wanted.
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  I want to talk about the good the good, Danny.
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  The fact that people learned how to read so they can wank.
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  That's what that's what the 1400s is about.
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  People got illiterate because they heard, Oh my God.
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  Did you hear about? Fucking Lord, uh, Lord
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  Fumbletwat down the fucking Rd. Who?
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  Who? He.
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  Apparently he's been reading to his upper crust of society all
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  kinds of sexy things. We better learn how to read as
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  well, so that we can have ourselves a little bit of
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  jollies. And people learn to read because
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  of Eroticism. Danny, why can't you understand
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  that erotic literature actually encouraged people to learn
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  reading and writing? And it was often included rape,
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  fantasy, incest and non consensual themes.
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  Now shut me up. That's the thing about rape
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  fantasies, you can't force them. So Enlightenment era smut In
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  18th century France and England, porn often masqueraded as
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  philosophical, but frequently included graphic depictions of
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  assault and minors. So this is this.
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  Has been straight away. Like, can we not talk about like
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  how when we get into the, the, let's say, the 16th century,
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  when we come across the likes of Fanny Hill, how that became this
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  sensationalized? I'm getting into that.
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  Yeah, but you're going to fucking say how she was 15?
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  I don't know. What I mean but still.
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  I'm not, I'm not right. So right.
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  She's fake. I am actually.
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  Eighteen 1800s to the early 1900s, they were called stag
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  films, so they feel like silent movies.
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  You they were. You don't.
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  Pass what I was talking about, you don't pass it.
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  You're getting into Movies Now. We haven't even talked the
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  whole. It's still non consensual rape.
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  Jesus Christ. Are you done?
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  No British literature. Deeps.
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  And bounds. Sit down.
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  You're only the films that we haven't even talked about how
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  the with the advent of photography that we had just.
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  You talk about it. So.
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  Watch out for the party you go. When the, and yes, we'll just
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  skip past the whole fucking of the fact that we have erotic
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  literature that actually became a revolution in Britain and
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  Europe and kind of set off a whole, a whole fucking kind of
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  era of people like just becoming more and more kind of interested
• 24:26
  in actual literature and reading.
• 24:28
  Because the kind of the, the tumb pushing that, that, uh,
• 24:34
  people were, were doing to authority by reading these, uh,
• 24:38
  like Fanny Hill was banned. It was just about the
• 24:42
  misadventures of a lady. They never mentioned, you know,
• 24:45
  cocks and vaginas. Everything was like sausage
• 24:49
  wallets and, you know, euphemisms here and mephemisms
• 24:52
  there. Just all kinds of weird corn
• 24:55
  beef torpedoes. Tight as a boiled owl.
• 25:00
  Jesus Christ, I don't. I don't think that would have
• 25:03
  been one. But yeah, he's kind of there.
• 25:06
  Was there's loads of like slang from back then?
• 25:09
  It was like your Crankham. Crankham was another one.
• 25:14
  Actually reading this a while ago, but yeah.
• 25:16
  There was there was soft that we still kind of do you know when
• 25:21
  people say cutie patootie. Oh yeah.
• 25:24
  The patootie was like a penis. So when you say someone looks
• 25:28
  like a cutie patootie, but you're really kind of saying is
• 25:30
  you look like a nice looking cock.
• 25:32
  So it's. A little pecker.
• 25:35
  Oh, look at so you say it to your dog like you are your cat.
• 25:38
  You're really just saying look. At you, little Willy.
• 25:41
  Yeah, it's funny. Less let's not photography.
• 25:45
  So we get into, we get into photography.
• 25:48
  OK, go on. See, we got into writing,
• 25:50
  reading and the printing presses and how the printing press
• 25:52
  actually fucking went on and to to people porn kind of it.
• 26:01
  It really kind of like expedites technology when it comes to like
• 26:06
  print and press. People wanted to get their hands
• 26:08
  on more copies of this vulgar fucking pornographic material,
• 26:14
  this smut, as you women would call it these days.
• 26:18
  But so like the more demand there was in, the more people
• 26:22
  actually created these presses. And I'm not saying that porn was
• 26:27
  the thing that like drove them on more than like just actual
• 26:30
  fucking like literature, but it was the thing that wanted to be
• 26:34
  mass produced more than anything else.
• 26:36
  And it was the same when it came to like still images,
• 26:39
  photography, or even before photography, like there was a
• 26:42
  the the mass printing of images. So not just like type so images.
• 26:50
  There was a story of a guy who was, he was commissioned to to
• 26:55
  like draw some, some stencils for a wealthy Lord's house in
• 27:00
  Britain. And he met up these stencils of
• 27:05
  these more or less erotic drawings.
• 27:08
  And a guy he saw these erotic drawings said, oh, can I have
• 27:12
  these stencils? And he learned how to mass
• 27:15
  produce them. And The funny thing was the guy
• 27:17
  who created these drawings first, listen, I'm not going to
• 27:20
  remember his name. He's old and I've got ADHD.
• 27:24
  That's a bingo. And the guy who who actually
• 27:28
  came up with these drawings, not happened to him, but the police
• 27:31
  came to the guy who mass produced them.
• 27:33
  So who just came and got the stencil and started mass
• 27:35
  producing these things? He got arrested and locked up a
• 27:38
  hefty fining hole off for like distributing, basically
• 27:43
  distributing like pornographic images.
• 27:45
  So weird. So like, I think he was like one
• 27:48
  of the first people that would have gotten in trouble for like,
• 27:49
  mass production and distribution of pornographic images.
• 27:54
  It was illegal still in like so in the in the 1400s to the 1600s
• 27:59
  it was illegal, which is kind of bizarre, it being the 1400s and
• 28:05
  it being. This is where the the likes of
• 28:08
  puritanical Britain comes into things really, isn't it?
• 28:10
  Like where like you've got. Yeah.
• 28:13
  So that's where where these guys were real kind of fucking Bible
• 28:16
  bashers. Like.
• 28:17
  So it became the true of these freedoms of like the ancient
• 28:21
  world. And they look back at like the
• 28:24
  Greeks and the Romans as more or less savages.
• 28:26
  And they're not sophisticated and like the stuff that like.
• 28:31
  But it's funny because like, as I was saying, the poor, the poor
• 28:35
  people in these societies didn't have the the luxury of like
• 28:40
  secrecy or like, you know, privacy, but like all the rich
• 28:44
  people who wanted to hide like pornographic material away, they
• 28:48
  were kind of just holding on for themselves so that they could
• 28:51
  use it. But like the average people on
• 28:53
  the ground, they were all living in fucking stables and fucking
• 28:56
  out in the open. Like, so people were just
• 28:57
  fucking out in the open. Like everyone was shaking into
• 29:00
  the same hole, you know what I mean?
• 29:01
  So they were all just fucking out in the open.
• 29:03
  So like they didn't really have the need for like pornographic
• 29:07
  material, like the the upper echelons of society.
• 29:10
  Now they were holding on to that because they were kind of
• 29:14
  restricting themselves from like sex or anything pornographic.
• 29:21
  Like so they were kind of, you know, shooting themselves in the
• 29:24
  foot for want of a better term. And but that's how like, you
• 29:31
  know, all these Bible bashers in middle medieval fucking Britain
• 29:37
  ended up kind of pushing their religious beliefs on society so
• 29:41
  that then you had to hideaway. So it's like porn became this
• 29:45
  taboo kind of a thing and you had to hide it away.
• 29:49
  And so this guy who was mass producing this, these images
• 29:52
  that people were actually obviously fucking interested in,
• 29:56
  they were now like he was the person that was illegal.
• 30:00
  Whereas before in society, like none of that stuff was fucking
• 30:04
  illegal. Like he was getting in trouble
• 30:06
  for fucking, showing people images, drawn images of sex acts
• 30:12
  when there's people fucking in the streets.
• 30:13
  Like it's kind of weird. I like it's like back then when
• 30:16
  it's like, oh, like you flashed too much ankle, you're like
• 30:18
  you're a fucking hairless. But yeah, no, like that has
• 30:24
  yeah, it's been illegal like pretty much since then.
• 30:27
  If. You talk about what I want to.
• 30:29
  Go forward, you can talk about photography.
• 30:31
  I was going to go into they. Came up with this.
• 30:32
  Photography. Weird idea of harnessing the
• 30:36
  power of light and the sun and photosynthesis.
• 30:41
  I don't know how it works, I ain't no scientist, but they
• 30:44
  were able to capture images of people now not drawn images.
• 30:50
  These are actual images that were fucking saved onto a little
• 30:54
  piece of paper by light. Who knows how this magic works,
• 30:59
  but they were able to do it. And when this kind of thing
• 31:01
  happens, the first one of the first things people think of is,
• 31:06
  wouldn't it be nice to have naked pictures of women?
• 31:09
  And that's what happened. And guess who spearheaded this
• 31:13
  stuff? The horniest people in the
• 31:15
  history of the world. The, the French, so the French
• 31:18
  were like, oh, some photographies.
• 31:20
  Let's start using these photographies as ways to look at
• 31:24
  women's genitals. And you didn't really have sexy
• 31:27
  pics like you'd have these days where people know the right
• 31:31
  angles and, you know, like you have to sit there for ages.
• 31:34
  So basically all the the the pictures would have been is just
• 31:38
  women just sitting down, maybe spread eagle and just giving you
• 31:44
  an owl flash of the gash because there wasn't.
• 31:48
  Like a science. Textbook basically.
• 31:50
  There wasn't, you know, there was nothing kind of there was no
• 31:55
  art form to photography at this stage.
• 31:57
  It was just kind of still images and they probably sepia torn,
• 32:02
  you know, classy looking stuff, but still nothing that I fucking
• 32:05
  get our temperatures going. But the men at the time wouldn't
• 32:08
  have seen this kind of stuff, so it would have been very, very,
• 32:13
  very arousing to the men of the time.
• 32:17
  And obviously, after photography, Danny came the
• 32:23
  moving pictures. You can take over from here if
• 32:25
  you want. Yeah, you.
• 32:26
  Can thank you. I just.
• 32:29
  Wanted to I. Just wanted to give a a
• 32:31
  comprehensive view of how we led up to the movie.
• 32:34
  No, that's. Good.
• 32:35
  I like I appreciate that. That's that's thank you for
• 32:39
  that. That's very good.
• 32:41
  So silent area they were called stag films immediately I think
• 32:45
  of what we do in the shadows Laszlo in all of the stag films,
• 32:50
  Matt Berry's character anyway. So stag films, illegally
• 32:55
  produced underground films often screened at men's only clubs
• 33:01
  featuring prostituted women, unethical filming and 0 consent
• 33:07
  documentation. Many performers were not paid,
• 33:11
  filmed without full understanding or coerced.
• 33:16
  Early porn was often linked to the mafia and human trafficking
• 33:21
  rings. Especially in the US and Europe.
• 33:23
  It is a known thing that a lot of strip clubs mostly up towards
• 33:28
  like New York, New Jersey area are all Mafia run, the whole
• 33:33
  money laundering part of it. But they look after those girls,
• 33:36
  OK, They do, they do, they look after those girls.
• 33:38
  They're part of the family. See, I'm not, I'm not trying to
• 33:41
  shoot on Mafia owned strip clubs.
• 33:43
  We are not shooting on the Mafia at all here.
• 33:46
  You're just you're shitting. On you're shitting on fucking
• 33:49
  stag films, chill. Like why couldn't?
• 33:52
  I've just been like, oh. These movies, this is a fact.
• 33:57
  This. Is a fact.
• 33:58
  None of it, but that's called. Factual.
• 34:02
  It's not my porn. Not.
• 34:05
  Not, not any of the, not any of the research I've done.
• 34:08
  All right, it said there was. Not my porno.
• 34:12
  My my porno research said that it was that that.
• 34:18
  Why were you watching a porno? That a lot of it would have been
• 34:25
  consensually, consensually done. I'm just saying.
• 34:28
  OK, well. You can.
• 34:30
  You can believe. That in your little innocent
• 34:32
  brain. Do you know these SAG movies are
• 34:34
  why we have the phrase SAG parties?
• 34:39
  Yeah, I know. Yes.
• 34:41
  Well, you didn't fucking say that, did you?
• 34:43
  No, a fun fact would have been nice to throw in there while you
• 34:46
  were fucking throwing around that none of these women wanted
• 34:49
  to be there and fucking. I didn't say none of them, I
• 34:52
  said often times. Yeah, often times.
• 34:55
  Say none of them. That's often times.
• 34:58
  All the fucking time. So all.
• 35:02
  Right. Because not a lot of people
• 35:04
  would have had projectors, they would have had to film these
• 35:09
  like kind of it for a bunch of people.
• 35:12
  So no want to be at home like the.
• 35:14
  Piano in the background. Porn movies.
• 35:17
  These stag porno movies weren't really a they weren't really
• 35:23
  like we use them these days for like, you get home and you
• 35:28
  switch the lights off and you just fucking light a candle and
• 35:31
  just, you know, have some private time.
• 35:33
  This was. This was.
• 35:35
  Like girl on girl porno. Girl on girl, there's no Dick in
• 35:39
  your porn. It's not porn, it's just
• 35:41
  fucking. Really.
• 35:42
  Just some bullshit passing the big nail test.
• 35:45
  You need Dick in your. Guy distracts me, I don't like.
• 35:48
  The guy is just there. I don't like I don't know, and
• 35:51
  then they when they try and like grunt and stuff, just like get
• 35:54
  out of the way. You're blocking the pussy like
• 35:56
  it just, I don't know, like I think I.
• 35:58
  Don't know. Is this?
• 36:00
  Where where the dude is now having a conversation where it's
• 36:03
  like I don't I love dicking my porn and the.
• 36:06
  The. Woman in this.
• 36:07
  Conversation. Is saying I don't like dicking
• 36:09
  my porn? I don't like taking my porn.
• 36:12
  I don't like I listen to like a lot of like audio porn, which I
• 36:16
  really like because women are more like visual.
• 36:19
  You put yourself in not visual as in watching it, but you can
• 36:22
  imagine it and put yourself in the situation rather than like
• 36:25
  actually seeing it. And it's like, it's fine and
• 36:28
  it's guys and I love that. But when I'm actually seeing and
• 36:31
  I'm just like, get off her, leave her alone.
• 36:34
  Like like grossly stop doing that to her.
• 36:40
  That's someone's daughter. Yeah, and yes, these stag
• 36:45
  parties were where a bunch of dudes would sit around and watch
• 36:50
  porn together. Now, I don't know.
• 36:51
  That's. So.
• 36:52
  Gay. Yeah, yeah, happened.
• 36:54
  To me, once I was on tour, I was on tour once as a guy.
• 36:57
  He's ordered a porno and just put it on and everyone was
• 37:01
  drinking and just sitting around while people were having sex on
• 37:05
  the screen and it's. Weird.
• 37:08
  I couldn't understand. I was like, I was like, switch
• 37:10
  that off on like the fucking the flame channel where we just look
• 37:14
  at the fire all you don't want to be aroused when a room full
• 37:18
  of just dudes like and yes, these stag movies will be shown
• 37:24
  in front of like an audience of a bunch of men.
• 37:28
  And that's where we get modern day stag parties.
• 37:32
  So a bunch of dudes hanging around having one of these
• 37:35
  debaucherous nights that's full of booze and sexual
• 37:39
  exploitation. Yeah, as Danny would probably
• 37:42
  want to paint it, that is that's where we get stag parties from.
• 37:48
  So people having their last wild night hanging out with their
• 37:51
  buddies is what we call a stag party.
• 37:55
  Or for some reason people call it a stags.
• 37:57
  I've never heard it. That's not yeah, people just go,
• 38:00
  oh, I'm going, I have a stags. Oh, it's a stag night.
• 38:04
  Stag night or a hen do. Hen do or a hen?
• 38:07
  I've never. Yeah, I've.
• 38:10
  I've never called. I've never heard it called.
• 38:13
  He's having his snags and she's having her hands.
• 38:16
  What? Get the fuck out of here, yeah?
• 38:18
  That's weird. Like I know what you're talking
• 38:21
  about, but it just sounds what you're saying like it's.
• 38:24
  Just you're saying it wrong. Yeah, but you go back to that
• 38:28
  whole, like, men watching porn together, like it, it's so weird
• 38:32
  to me. So like when I was like a
• 38:34
  teenager, like 1617, like I had a boyfriend at the time, they
• 38:37
  would all just sit around after a day of like skating or band
• 38:42
  practice and they'd all just watch porn and like talk about
• 38:47
  how like how much pre cum there was watching this porn.
• 38:52
  And like one of them had like gotten from their older brother.
• 38:55
  And I'm like, you're all very homosexual.
• 38:58
  That's so fucking weird to me. That's like no one is gayer than
• 39:02
  straight men to me honestly, I swear.
• 39:06
  Like straight. Men love straight men more than
• 39:09
  they like women. Like absolutely like.
• 39:13
  Whatever, whatever. Tick tock.
• 39:15
  You heard that on Great, but I guess you're not wrong.
• 39:20
  Have. You ever sounded like it was
• 39:25
  going to disagree with you, wasn't it?
• 39:27
  Have you ever? Have you ever seen something
• 39:29
  about Miriam? Very, very sad end to that show.
• 39:31
  But basically right. It's this trans woman who was
• 39:34
  absolutely fucking gorgeous. I believe a Portuguese trans
• 39:39
  woman. Someone correct me on that one.
• 39:42
  My kid, no one listens to this yet, but absolutely fucking
• 39:46
  gorgeous. But they have a bunch of a bunch
• 39:49
  of dudes, proper lads, you know, fucking Brits, you know, that's,
• 39:54
  that's lads, lads. And these lads are, they're all
• 39:58
  out and like, kind of like I love island.
• 40:00
  Danny, this is right up your fucking alley.
• 40:02
  By the way, this is kind. Of I've heard of it I.
• 40:05
  Yeah. Like I've.
• 40:07
  Heard it. Yeah, I'm sure there's some kind
• 40:09
  of YouTube on it that fucking would definitely interest you
• 40:14
  and but. Actually coming back to me a bit
• 40:18
  as. YouTube on it.
• 40:21
  How boomer did I sound like there's a It was like.
• 40:24
  MTV wasn't it though. It was like.
• 40:26
  It was a Sky One, remember Like when they had like game set
• 40:32
  cetera and stuff like that on the TV like.
• 40:34
  Yes. And we, you know, yeah, I do
• 40:36
  remember it. Or was it a beta uncovered?
• 40:39
  Would have been the Sky 1 stuff. You know, that kind of stuff was
• 40:42
  on, yeah. You're a trash and like fucking
• 40:46
  yeah. Yeah, so I believe, I believe it
• 40:48
  was Sky, it was later sky or Channel 4 has the bang of Sky
• 40:51
  One off it though. But so basically this fucking
• 40:56
  gorgeous fucking trans woman and anyone who's going to be at me
• 41:00
  coming for that, fucking giving me shit like this, look her up.
• 41:05
  She was fucking, absolutely fucking not gorgeous.
• 41:08
  I would have, I would have sucked her Dick back way through
• 41:11
  her ass. She was a very attractive, very
• 41:14
  attractive man. But these guys were all kind of
• 41:18
  hoodwinked into believing that she's just, you know, a
• 41:20
  beautiful woman. There's no secret behind us or
• 41:22
  whatever, like, but the guys, every night they got drunk.
• 41:26
  And the gayest thing about this show wasn't them like vying for
• 41:34
  the affections of a trans woman. The gayest thing about this show
• 41:37
  was what those guys got up to when they were just drunk,
• 41:40
  hanging out with each other. They were all fucking yeah,
• 41:43
  drunk and shifting each other be like, oh, wouldn't it be funny
• 41:46
  if we fucking like if we kiss right now?
• 41:49
  You know this kind, you know that shit like of just like.
• 41:52
  Yeah. Just just fuck already.
• 41:55
  Like there were that kind of just repressed into this kind of
• 41:59
  this, this kind of fucked up, kind of like lads, lads, lads,
• 42:03
  we will fuck all. But like, they hold themselves
• 42:06
  so well. Those.
• 42:07
  Lads it's always the like the hyper masculine.
• 42:11
  The Borat Movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 42:14
  Those guys in the in the camper van the the frat boys.
• 42:19
  Yeah. A few drinks and.
• 42:23
  Absolutely. Absolutely.
• 42:25
  And then, right. So there's Something about
• 42:27
  Miriam, British reality television series broadcast by
• 42:30
  Sky One You're Right. Six episode series premiered on
• 42:34
  the 22nd of February 2004. Set and I Beat the Spain series
• 42:39
  depicted 6 men in competition for a £10,000 reward over who
• 42:44
  could make the best impression on 21 year old Mexican model
• 42:47
  Miriam Rivera. The men were required to compete
• 42:51
  in various physical challenges in addition to going on
• 42:54
  individual and group dates with Rivera.
• 42:56
  In the final episode, Rivera selected the one contestant who
• 43:00
  left the best impression on her pun selection.
• 43:02
  Rivera revealed to the contestants that she was a
• 43:04
  transgender woman who had not yet undergone gender affirming
• 43:08
  surgery. Series was hosted by Welsh TV
• 43:12
  presenter Tim Vincent at two seasons.
• 43:15
  Yeah. I bet you could probably find
• 43:17
  that on YouTube, but yeah that's she is gorgeous though as well.
• 43:21
  That's what I'm saying. But like, but these guys, they
• 43:25
  all got so fucking gay because they were in the room together.
• 43:27
  So you can only imagine. Let's bring out, let's try and
• 43:30
  get this back on track. What those stag parties or what
• 43:33
  those would have would have looked like.
• 43:35
  I don't know if there was like, if the dudes are just sitting
• 43:38
  around there like having a cigar, crossing their legs and
• 43:41
  going, yes, very good. What a what a body show.
• 43:45
  Capital knockers, Madam. Splendid.
• 43:50
  Oh yes, shake it, Madam. Bingo and so so I I don't know
• 43:58
  what what the deal is with them if they were soggy biscuit are
• 44:02
  doing the soggy biscuit or whatever they were fucking doing
• 44:05
  it. But like it just it it.
• 44:09
  It's weird to me as a person who would probably get I'm like, but
• 44:14
  again, I'm not, I'm not being the opposite of that where I'm
• 44:17
  like, not for me. That's that's gay.
• 44:20
  I wouldn't be gay. Like I think fucking, you know,
• 44:22
  like I'm just one compliment away from being gay.
• 44:25
  So like, I'm not. There's a difference in a man
• 44:30
  who can like just straight up be like, that is a good looking
• 44:32
  dude, like, you know what I mean?
• 44:33
  Like they're I always find guys who are like that are so much
• 44:38
  what? The fuck was that?
• 44:41
  A ghost. A spooky ghost.
• 44:44
  Hello. Maybe Danny, if you fucking
• 44:47
  locked some doors in your house, you won't be having a weird
• 44:50
  situation right now. No, it is.
• 44:52
  It is locked. I wish someone said my name.
• 44:55
  Anyway, what was I? Azuzu.
• 44:58
  Maybe it was Boone looking for his fucking pound cake.
• 45:00
  He. Got.
• 45:01
  It and I I haven't asked him for anything since he gave me
• 45:03
  another round, but I probably should give him more cake
• 45:05
  anyway. Oh yeah.
• 45:06
  So it's always the guys that are like openly like, yeah, it's a
• 45:08
  good looking dude are so much less gay than the guys are like
• 45:11
  man, man, man, man, man, only man, man, man, man, woman,
• 45:14
  stupid. But I only fuck woman.
• 45:16
  And it's like, yeah, you're fucking.
• 45:18
  You're gay as fuck. Like, I don't know if I should
• 45:19
  tell this story on the podcast. I'm going to tell it anyway.
• 45:21
  Alex, cut it out if it's forever.
• 45:24
  But I was talking to this guy for a while and he was like
• 45:26
  really into like the whole not even I don't even know what
• 45:30
  you'd call it. Like not even being like cooked
• 45:33
  out like like he wanted to have some guy come over from grinder
• 45:40
  and like fuck his throat for me to prove that he would do that
• 45:44
  for me. And I was like, brother, this
• 45:46
  isn't about me. Like.
• 45:48
  None of this. Is about me and he got into a
• 45:53
  habit of just like doing it without like like bringing it up
• 45:58
  to me or like telling me he was going to do it or asking me like
• 46:01
  no, he just got a habit of doing it and sending me these videos
• 46:05
  and I'm just like none of this is for me.
• 46:06
  Like if you're like you're, you're like at least at very
• 46:10
  least bisexual. What?
• 46:12
  I don't understand why it's like, and it's just clinging to
• 46:15
  the last little scraps of being straight.
• 46:18
  You it's OK to say that you like dudes.
• 46:21
  It's absolutely fine. Like you're literally like
• 46:24
  blowing dudes every other weekend, but you're like, no, I
• 46:27
  like girls. I don't like, I don't, I don't
• 46:29
  like guys. I just like Dick.
• 46:30
  I'm like, that's even gayer. I think.
• 46:35
  It's like just, you know, just go live your life.
• 46:39
  Like, I don't know what it is. Are you lying to yourself or
• 46:43
  what? Like, you know, it's just, it's
• 46:44
  weird, like. I've I had said that to him and
• 46:47
  I was like, no, this is about me by the way.
• 46:49
  It's like, no, it's like I want to do that for you.
• 46:51
  I was like, I don't want to see that.
• 46:52
  I didn't ask you to do that. Like, no, this is for me.
• 46:55
  Like it's not doing anything for me.
• 46:56
  It's doing it for you. But.
• 46:57
  Yeah, he needed it to be for you so that he could have some kind
• 47:01
  of excuse to do. I I get right.
• 47:03
  But and then he was just like, oh, like, yeah, like me, you
• 47:06
  know, maybe I do like, I like, like, you know, like blowing
• 47:09
  dudes, whatever. But like I could never date a
• 47:10
  guy And I was like, well, that's fair.
• 47:11
  Like I like hooking up with girls.
• 47:12
  I could never date a girl. That's like, that's the whole
• 47:14
  thing. That's like, I think it's like
• 47:16
  head hetero romantic or something.
• 47:18
  It's called. I don't know.
• 47:21
  Like, like a lot of bisexual dudes would be like, they only
• 47:25
  want to have like sexual relationships with men.
• 47:30
  So like any kind of loving relationship is with a woman
• 47:33
  like. Yeah, yeah.
• 47:35
  Because I, I could not like romantically, like a girl
• 47:40
  sexually, Yeah, like romantically, No, like I don't
• 47:42
  have any interest in in dating a girl I don't want, you know what
• 47:45
  I mean? But it's like, so I'm like, I'm
• 47:47
  trying to say that. And he's like, no, I'm not
• 47:50
  bisexual. I'm straight or just like cock.
• 47:51
  I'm like, it's the fucking dumbest sentence I've ever
• 47:57
  heard. I would OK.
• 47:58
  You do you. I think life would be so much
• 48:00
  easier if like I'd love to be gay, I'd love to like, I'd love
• 48:04
  to be able to I. Think it would be?
• 48:06
  I I just because imagine like, like people would be going
• 48:10
  around like looking like trying, trying to find a woman to have
• 48:15
  sex with you is is very difficult.
• 48:18
  If you want that man to have sex with you, you kind of just have
• 48:21
  to go. Any lads in here want to have
• 48:23
  sex with me and someone's going to stand up and go fuck it like
• 48:25
  I rage it? Absolutely, absolutely.
• 48:28
  And like this, this is the thing that like I've I've said before
• 48:31
  because like I've been single now for over 2 years and like,
• 48:34
  will you? Fucking stop running around that
• 48:36
  room. Sit down.
• 48:39
  Not talking to the cat, talking to Justy because he's just
• 48:41
  fucking running around the place.
• 48:46
  He just leave. The Room.
• 48:49
  Hello Alex, leave this in. Fucking absolute fucking
• 48:59
  nightmare. I was like, will you?
• 49:02
  Stop. Running around.
• 49:03
  Fucking. This little spa, every time she
• 49:07
  just comes scratching at the door and then look at this
• 49:15
  scratch that door and you open the door and let her in and then
• 49:17
  she just runs off like follow me like she's the fucking white
• 49:20
  rabbit. No.
• 49:24
  I got your house is on fire now and you don't even know when she
• 49:26
  was trying to tell you and you're like shut.
• 49:28
  Up fucking. What was I saying?
• 49:31
  Some lad getting his throat fucked or something like that.
• 49:33
  I don't. Know after that I was on a
• 49:35
  really good point and then you kept running around.
• 49:38
  I'm sorry. Can you?
• 49:42
  Sense the frustration in me, like fucking I wish I was gay.
• 49:48
  That one is that. Is that where we are?
• 49:50
  I'll come back anyway, moving on, moving on.
• 49:53
  We were talking about stag films post war to the golden age,
• 49:57
  right? And so I, I love, this is really
• 50:01
  funny to me. So during the war, he always had
• 50:04
  like naked ladies on the side of fucking Spitfire planes.
• 50:07
  You had all these like tanks and these war machines and they had
• 50:10
  these like naked ladies. Everything had to have naked
• 50:13
  ladies because it was war and they were men and they were
• 50:15
  fighting. And it's like, here she is,
• 50:17
  boys. Look what you're fighting for
• 50:20
  back home. Just this big titted.
• 50:22
  Blonde and a pencil skirt. Like it's always for For some
• 50:26
  weird reason, men always seem to want to put sex into everything
• 50:31
  that they do Everything. It's for the dames you see.
• 50:36
  They're going back into golden age.
• 50:38
  Golden for men, not for women. Films like Deep Throat are
• 50:42
  things. Price.
• 50:45
  Have you watched Deep Throat? I know of Deep Show, yeah.
• 50:49
  Did you watch the actual original 1?
• 50:50
  It was. It's the first kind of movie
• 50:55
  with, like, pornographic movie with a budget and an actual
• 51:02
  coherent storyline that would have like, has a beginning,
• 51:06
  middle and end that wasn't just, yeah, XXX spunk, spunk, spunk.
• 51:13
  So, like, it had a narrative going through it and it proved
• 51:15
  to be extremely popular. What was your one's name?
• 51:19
  Linda Lovelace, Linda. Lovelace.
• 51:21
  Yeah, Linda Lovelace. And the the idea was that this
• 51:25
  woman, she wasn't sexually satisfied and this genius bit of
• 51:30
  writing by what has to be, I can't imagine it was a woman at
• 51:34
  watch her. Husband this.
• 51:36
  Time it was her. That she went to her doctor and
• 51:39
  her doctor figured out that she was born with her clitoris in
• 51:43
  her throat rather than yeah, on her vagine.
• 51:47
  So she had to, she had to learn how to Deep Throat so that she
• 51:51
  could orgasm. And yes, so she went around then
• 51:57
  after absolutely throating some cock and yeah, I think it, I
• 52:02
  think they made it for like 50 grand and it pulled in millions.
• 52:08
  So oh. It's it's still making money
• 52:10
  today. Yeah, because they.
• 52:13
  Yeah, so they figured out. That culture.
• 52:15
  Yeah, that it was the first time that like a porn movie where a
• 52:19
  narrative that kind of became part of the.
• 52:22
  Mainstream. Yeah, exactly.
• 52:24
  It hit the mainstream and people were talking about what it was
• 52:26
  in all things of magazines, it was in the news, it was all over
• 52:31
  the place. People were it was in like
• 52:33
  theaters that people would go on and watch it like like it made
• 52:37
  like box office fucking money and people are outside
• 52:41
  protested. So that actually got more like
• 52:44
  featured or to be like when you protest something and actually
• 52:47
  becomes cool and you give it recognition, more people will
• 52:50
  actually go and see it. So it became this fucking
• 52:53
  phenomenon that like kind of catapulted as it would have
• 52:58
  started this golden age, I suppose, of pornography that
• 53:02
  just that went from people watching it kind of in dimly lit
• 53:08
  fucking theaters, kind of just, yeah, walking around on sticky
• 53:13
  floors to this thing that became mainstream and everybody was
• 53:17
  talking about. With her right.
• 53:18
  So, so Linda love this. I actually I cannot remember her
• 53:22
  real name for the life of me. It escapes me, but her husband,
• 53:26
  if you haven't seen the movie Loveless Lovelace by your one
• 53:30
  with the huge eyes, Amanda Seyfried, she plays Linda Lovis.
• 53:34
  It's actually it's quite a good movie.
• 53:35
  Yeah, yeah, it's like it's it's quite a good movie.
• 53:37
  But so her husband was the one that wanted to get her so he was
• 53:43
  a photographer started seeing her.
• 53:47
  She wanted to be a model like not like a, you know, a porno
• 53:51
  model, but like she wanted to like actually be in magazines
• 53:54
  and things like that. When they started steeping
• 53:56
  together, he figured out she could Deep Throat and now
• 54:00
  apparently at the time in the early 70s, that wasn't something
• 54:04
  that was very common on cat like that women could do that was on
• 54:08
  camera or anything like that. She was kind of like, I sound
• 54:12
  stupid, but like the pioneer of like, Deep Throat basically.
• 54:16
  And that was her draw. That was everybody kind of
• 54:19
  wanted to book her. She was pushed into doing all
• 54:21
  these shoots that she didn't want to do because she was just
• 54:23
  like, well, no, like, I've done that one and it's fine.
• 54:25
  But like, because no other girl could do it and she was the only
• 54:29
  one. And like, it's, yeah.
• 54:33
  So she had like basically coerced abuse and rape during
• 54:37
  filming. And then around the same time.
• 54:42
  This is all going from the 50s to the 80s by the way. 1970s saw
• 54:47
  underage performers in films, especially in Europe and Japan.
• 54:52
  Before child porn laws were fully enforced, some major
• 54:56
  pornographers were caught possessing producing illegal
• 54:59
  content involving children. Next one then what had a really
• 55:05
  huge kind of like boom well underground boom huge for the
• 55:10
  underground were snow films and that's.
• 55:13
  So rumors of real murders on films snow films circulated
• 55:16
  heavily during this period. While most were debunked some
• 55:19
  fringe films involved actual deaths, especially in war-torn
• 55:24
  areas. So that does still happen and
• 55:26
  that is like our lost dark web episode that Justine will never,
• 55:32
  ever want to revisit. And.
• 55:34
  The first episode that we done and you were like, let's talk
• 55:38
  about dark web and I was like, yes this might be fun.
• 55:41
  And it was the most depressing 3 hours of my fucking life.
• 55:47
  I. Mean.
• 55:48
  Even though you're talking about Snow Phillips, I was like,
• 55:49
  wasn't it nice when we can go back to ancient Greece so I can
• 55:52
  put a funny positive spin on it? Because it was fucking 2000
• 55:56
  years ago and and now I can't put a positive spin on snuff
• 55:59
  films in Serbia. So take it away, Danny.
• 56:02
  Make the make it. Make it as fun as possible.
• 56:06
  Do you want to? Do you want to go back to the
• 56:08
  40s where dames were on matchbooks?
• 56:10
  Nah, that's just kind of we can skimp.
• 56:13
  Out girl. See.
• 56:15
  Anyway, so snuff films are still very very very common and
• 56:20
  popular. And it's actually fucking wild
• 56:24
  how they haven't always. We know technology is evolving
• 56:28
  constantly, but the police just can't seem to catch up to how
• 56:31
  fast it is. There's different ways to like
• 56:33
  avoid everything. There's like loads of different
• 56:35
  cases. There's been this one recently
• 56:37
  of this YouTube and she she was murdered like on one of her live
• 56:44
  streams. Do you remember that it was a
• 56:47
  few weeks ago or maybe it was TikTok live she was on or
• 56:50
  something? She was this Mexican girl, and
• 56:53
  it was. My YouTube isn't as dark as
• 56:55
  yours, Danny. I just watch people playing
• 56:57
  Among Us and. No, she was like a makeup
• 57:00
  artist, like she was wholesome. Kind of like Genomine content,
• 57:04
  Yeah. But I don't even know about the
• 57:06
  murder if you tell me about it. Like I'm not looking at some
• 57:09
  makeup artist tutorials on YouTube, I'm looking at people
• 57:13
  playing Dungeons and Dragons like a real 40 year old.
• 57:16
  She was on on live anyway on I think I'm pretty sure it was
• 57:20
  either Instagram or TikTok live. I think it was TikTok live and
• 57:24
  she was just I think doing her makeup for the day in her salon.
• 57:27
  And then a delivery guy comes in to drop off package.
• 57:31
  You see her stand up and then it you hear a gunshot and then
• 57:35
  everything goes black. So that was like a whole.
• 57:40
  Everyone was freaking the fuck out.
• 57:41
  That news came out that she had been murdered.
• 57:43
  Whatever. But then they found out that it
• 57:45
  was on the dark web, a snuff film that someone had, like,
• 57:50
  paid to happen and to see, and it was being distributed and
• 57:53
  sold. Yeah.
• 57:55
  And like, it is still very much like you can, if you have the
• 57:58
  money and if you are in a position of power, you can pick
• 58:03
  anyone in the fucking world to be like, yeah, I want you to
• 58:06
  kill this person so I can jerk off to to that.
• 58:10
  They'll do it if you got the money.
• 58:11
  And they'll wear a body Cam like they're a cop.
• 58:13
  And they'll do it. Do you want to say something
• 58:15
  nice now? Do you want to take it back to
• 58:18
  the Greeks? No, the advent of VHS video took
• 58:27
  down the porno theatre industry that you would have seen become
• 58:34
  prevalent and make millions and millions with Linda Lovelace and
• 58:38
  the likes of those kind of movies, the Debbie Does Dallas,
• 58:42
  the the Detroit those. Kind of movies.
• 58:45
  And now you have the advent of VHS.
• 58:48
  So as we say, as I've been talking from Neolithic man
• 58:53
  carving into the side of a cave using a stone and some fucking
• 59:01
  berries and animal blood to colour in these boobies, right
• 59:06
  up to people using marble so that they can construct images
• 59:12
  of people in sexual Congress, to the printing press, to the
• 59:17
  photograph, to the moving pictures.
• 59:20
  And now we get on to the VHS and this makes pornographic movies
• 59:27
  accessible to people in their own home.
• 59:30
  So now it's not only mainstream, but it's accessible to people
• 59:36
  near and far all over the world. Again, would the VHS be as like,
• 59:44
  would it have taken off as fast if it was just, you know,
• 59:50
  Hollywood movies? Cars and.
• 59:52
  Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, because people were still
• 59:55
  enjoying going to the theater to see these blockbuster movies
• 59:59
  that you're going to see like you, like you didn't.
• 1:00:01
  Not watch Jurassic Park in the cinema so that you could get to
• 1:00:06
  VHS and bring it home, but you would have done that
• 1:00:08
  pornography. So with porn you'll go, hey, why
• 1:00:12
  am I fucking watching this in a movie theater?
• 1:00:15
  A bunch of fucking dudes with fucking vibrate and trench coats
• 1:00:18
  when I can actually just go home and fucking drop trail Lube up
• 1:00:24
  and you're spoken. Absolutely fucking toss one out
• 1:00:27
  for Ireland. Can can I ask right if back in
• 1:00:31
  the day you were around when it was, you know, it was a theater
• 1:00:36
  or nothing, would you have gone to a theater to watch porn with
• 1:00:39
  a bunch of other dudes? Would you have like used that
• 1:00:43
  facility? Danny, I don't, I don't know if
• 1:00:47
  you understand the horniness that lives inside men.
• 1:00:52
  You're probably one of these women that's like, I'm horny
• 1:00:55
  like a man. You're not horny like a man.
• 1:00:58
  No, I'm not No one. There's no.
• 1:01:00
  Woman in this world, there's no woman in this world, no matter
• 1:01:03
  who she is, if whatever she says to you, I mean lads, listen to
• 1:01:07
  me out here now and ladies especially you, listen to all
• 1:01:10
  four of you that are listening to this if you've ever said the
• 1:01:13
  words. It is mostly men that listen.
• 1:01:16
  To horny like a man, you don't get horny like a man.
• 1:01:19
  I remember during puberty sitting in school with a 63 year
• 1:01:24
  old woman sitting in front of me, a dirty old woman, and me
• 1:01:29
  trying to look up her skirt so that I could see some kind of
• 1:01:33
  grey man. Dirty old woman, you're the
• 1:01:36
  little fucking creep trying to look up this clean old.
• 1:01:40
  Woman with her fucking, her varicose veins, legs fucking
• 1:01:47
  gambling underneath, and me getting up three times in that
• 1:01:51
  class to go and fucking knock one out in the fucking Jacks in
• 1:01:56
  the 5th year Jacks and I was in 3rd year, but I didn't want to
• 1:01:59
  leave evidence in the third year Jacks, did I?
• 1:02:02
  I was and continue to be a man of unparalleled horniness.
• 1:02:08
  When the fucking when, when it takes over.
• 1:02:11
  Put it this way, I used to live in a place that across the road
• 1:02:15
  from me I could see a woman shower through a fucking a
• 1:02:20
  variegated window. So basically I just saw a BLOB
• 1:02:24
  shaped woman. Now I could have at the time
• 1:02:27
  gone and seen some DVDs of some pornos, but just the thought of
• 1:02:32
  a woman being naked 400 yards away in her bathroom having a
• 1:02:37
  shower just set me a fucking ablaze with the horn.
• 1:02:44
  Like there's nothing I could do. There's nothing I could.
• 1:02:47
  There's nothing I could do about it.
• 1:02:50
  The NRB is a real thing. The no Reason boner.
• 1:02:53
  Back in my fucking teens and 20s, I could be walking down the
• 1:02:57
  street and if the wind blew up the leg of my trousers, I'd have
• 1:03:01
  to talk it into the fucking waistband.
• 1:03:03
  There's nothing you can do about it.
• 1:03:05
  It just got fucking horny. So if you're asking me what I've
• 1:03:08
  gone to a Prono theater and fucking hung out with a bunch of
• 1:03:12
  fucking seedy men, yes of course I would have 100%.
• 1:03:16
  That's good to know. That's good to know.
• 1:03:18
  I like, I you're totally right. Like I don't, I really don't.
• 1:03:23
  I could never ever, ever say that I I get horny like a man
• 1:03:27
  because I don't like there's been times when I've been like
• 1:03:30
  had that itch that needed to be scratched, but I'm not desperate
• 1:03:34
  isn't the word, but you know what I mean?
• 1:03:35
  Like I could be like a dude and go on Tinder and take the first
• 1:03:39
  girl that bites just because I want to get fucked.
• 1:03:43
  Women aren't like that. It's and that and that's the
• 1:03:45
  kind of thing. Well, most women, I like not
• 1:03:47
  trying to say like some women aren't, but like that's a huge
• 1:03:51
  difference between men. Like a lot of men will fuck a
• 1:03:53
  woman that they're not even attracted to just because
• 1:03:55
  they're that hard up and they just want to get laid.
• 1:03:58
  Whereas girls are like, you're not horny like a man because
• 1:04:01
  that's not something that you would do.
• 1:04:02
  Like you're to me, you're not willing to just close your eyes
• 1:04:04
  and just fucking like not fuck it, It's OK.
• 1:04:06
  Like it's going to be over. It's going to be worse than in
• 1:04:09
  the end. And that's why men are
• 1:04:11
  disgusting. They'll just they'll.
• 1:04:15
  Yeah. Don't get me wrong, when I'm
• 1:04:18
  with a woman, when I'm with a lady, a lady, I'm enjoying it in
• 1:04:26
  the moment for the moment that it is I'm enjoying with that
• 1:04:29
  Lady and having time. I I love all the business.
• 1:04:33
  I love that I'm a dirty bastard, but I do love all the business.
• 1:04:36
  I love. I love a woman.
• 1:04:38
  I love touching a woman. I love tasting a woman.
• 1:04:40
  I love feel the woman. I sometimes sometimes I'll even
• 1:04:43
  listen to a woman like we're. Going to have to put this on the
• 1:04:46
  Patreon. You're fucking, I know, rile up
• 1:04:49
  a few jazzies. I know, but all I'm all I'm
• 1:04:52
  saying is there is times though when men just need to get the
• 1:04:57
  poison out of them and it's not about romance or anything.
• 1:05:01
  That's just the heart. It's just in them.
• 1:05:03
  It's just, it's just in them that's the instinct is to just
• 1:05:09
  throw the seed out. And that's something that I wish
• 1:05:12
  I could go back and tell like younger me in my early 20s.
• 1:05:17
  He doesn't like, yeah, he's just horny because it's like, oh,
• 1:05:21
  well, yeah, it has to mean something because like, he
• 1:05:23
  always comes back. He always messages me as a
• 1:05:25
  because he knows you're gonna write him because he knows
• 1:05:28
  you're gonna write him. That's all it is.
• 1:05:29
  It's nothing else, only that he's horny.
• 1:05:32
  And and that's it. That's that's all it is.
• 1:05:34
  And like, I was like, I always say this like to the girls over.
• 1:05:37
  So again, I think this is what this is what I got cut off
• 1:05:40
  because you were dancing around your fucking room with your
• 1:05:42
  cast. But I was just saying like, I've
• 1:05:44
  been single for 2 1/2 years, right?
• 1:05:47
  I know I could have a boyfriend by Monday if I wanted to, but
• 1:05:52
  there's standards, there's things like that.
• 1:05:54
  I'm not going to just fucking just rush into it because I want
• 1:05:58
  it. Whereas men are just like, fuck
• 1:06:00
  it, I'll do it because I want it.
• 1:06:02
  It's a completely different thing.
• 1:06:04
  And like in some ways I'm kind of like, I wish I thought more
• 1:06:07
  like a man because I could just, I get what I want.
• 1:06:10
  I might not like what I have, but I get it.
• 1:06:12
  You know what I mean? Whereas like with a woman, it's
• 1:06:15
  just like, I've been so hard up that I'm just like, I'm just
• 1:06:17
  going to fucking have a scalding hot shower and forget that I
• 1:06:22
  want it and I'm fine. And that's grand.
• 1:06:25
  But yeah, no, men are just fucking.
• 1:06:27
  It's just I, I can never even begin to try and understand a
• 1:06:32
  man's brain when he's horny. It's it's bizarre to me, I
• 1:06:35
  think. I think as well as that I know
• 1:06:39
  I'm I'm talking like fucking this is this uncontrollable urge
• 1:06:43
  to go around. I am probably sound a bit rape,
• 1:06:46
  you know, but I think like like you, I think the idea is that we
• 1:06:52
  have these urges, but we have to control them.
• 1:06:54
  Like you know what I mean? You have to be you have to
• 1:06:56
  understand them as well and you have to fucking get to a point
• 1:06:59
  because like that's it's not the way.
• 1:07:01
  It's not the way life works. You can just go out and fucking
• 1:07:04
  ride whenever you fucking have to.
• 1:07:05
  So you kind of have to urge like the way unless.
• 1:07:07
  You were back in the 1400s, riding in the dirt like you
• 1:07:11
  said, Yeah. But.
• 1:07:13
  Yeah. Wouldn't it be nice?
• 1:07:15
  Wouldn't it be great? I'll take a bit of back plague
• 1:07:17
  for to be able to write whatever they want, but.
• 1:07:21
  No. The thing about the thing about
• 1:07:27
  what is like, you have to, you have to learn to, to control
• 1:07:33
  this kind of stuff. And I think that's that that's
• 1:07:35
  the the idea of a real man is to have have these urges, but to,
• 1:07:40
  like, not make it anyone else's issues.
• 1:07:42
  I am a filthy pervert. I think horrible things all the
• 1:07:50
  time. Like, yeah, me too.
• 1:07:53
  Yeah. But like, I tried to not make
• 1:07:56
  that anyone else's problem. That's my philosophy, yes.
• 1:08:00
  You get me. And that is the difference that
• 1:08:02
  that is the core kind of thing that you should be.
• 1:08:06
  You should be able to like have these thoughts, they're your
• 1:08:09
  thoughts. They're fine if they're not.
• 1:08:10
  Infringing to be walking down the road and like when I see a
• 1:08:15
  woman that I'm into like and just like nice tits love like or
• 1:08:22
  like guys, guys that are on the Internet but like guys that are
• 1:08:25
  constantly just like show me show me bobs and the gene and
• 1:08:30
  like you know this like guys that like type the fire emoji
• 1:08:34
  under women's Instagram posts like and then be like why you no
• 1:08:39
  respond. Like like.
• 1:08:43
  Pretty lady no send me boobs. Why no pretty ladies send me
• 1:08:47
  boobs? Like fuck off.
• 1:08:51
  This seems to. That seems to be it.
• 1:08:54
  I know, yes. What?
• 1:08:55
  Are we getting getting into? This VHS.
• 1:09:01
  Yeah, no. And it's it's actually a really
• 1:09:03
  good setup because we're going to get into VHS now.
• 1:09:05
  So digital age and so basically the 90s until now, obviously
• 1:09:11
  VHS, everything was was consensual.
• 1:09:13
  You had actresses, you had all of this stuff.
• 1:09:14
  So what I have to go back to the culture of porn stars and
• 1:09:22
  everything like that. So I have done makeup on porn
• 1:09:26
  sets before and it's a lot of fun.
• 1:09:31
  It's actually, everybody's just really, really like chill.
• 1:09:34
  But people have this misconception about porn stars
• 1:09:37
  that they're gross or they're dirty in the world.
• 1:09:40
  They are. You're safer going home on a
• 1:09:43
  night out with a porn star and raw dogging than you are a
• 1:09:48
  random person. Yeah.
• 1:09:50
  Because they're tested every two weeks.
• 1:09:52
  I don't know if it still is, but when I knew tests, it was every
• 1:09:55
  two weeks. And they encourage you to not
• 1:09:58
  have partners unless you're with them long term.
• 1:10:04
  And the partner had been tested and then you'd have to provide
• 1:10:07
  proof of the partner being clean.
• 1:10:09
  So it was all, it was all that literally.
• 1:10:13
  And they can't like, but there's, there's so much like
• 1:10:16
  they're risking their entire career, they're risking other
• 1:10:18
  people's health if they're not tested and they're not clean.
• 1:10:21
  So that's a whole, a whole huge thing.
• 1:10:24
  So when it comes to like the rise of like videos and stuff
• 1:10:27
  like that. And then it's like when it comes
• 1:10:29
  to it's like Jenna Jameis, and she talks about this in her in
• 1:10:33
  her biography a lot. The way that they were done so
• 1:10:38
  that you get paid for well, at least in the 90s, you they got
• 1:10:43
  paid for the shoot and then obviously it was recorded and
• 1:10:45
  distributed on VHS. They didn't see anything else
• 1:10:49
  after that. So they weren't you know, they
• 1:10:51
  didn't get like because you call them royalties.
• 1:10:54
  I don't think you. Yeah, I'd say yeah, Yeah, it
• 1:10:56
  would still be royalties, Yeah, because they're images being
• 1:10:59
  used on on film. Yeah, well, you didn't get
• 1:11:03
  anything. No royalties like that, like at
• 1:11:06
  all. And it's kind of the same.
• 1:11:09
  So it's when the infamous kind of Pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee
• 1:11:15
  tape leaked. Basically they were having
• 1:11:20
  contractors at their home to do something.
• 1:11:24
  The story goes with the guy said that the guy said that like he
• 1:11:30
  accidentally walked in on Pam in like wearing nothing and then
• 1:11:36
  Tommy freaked out on him. But then like apparently the
• 1:11:40
  actress or Pamela says like, no, he very much knew I was in there
• 1:11:42
  and I called and said, hey, don't come in here.
• 1:11:44
  And he just walked in anyway because like it's a man and it's
• 1:11:48
  a disgusting man and it's Pamela Anderson like journeyman.
• 1:11:51
  So I'm kind of more inclined to believe her.
• 1:11:53
  They had a safe then in the garage.
• 1:11:56
  And that's like one of the like the parts of the house that he
• 1:11:58
  was working at the minute. He bumped the safe with whatever
• 1:12:03
  he had. Tape wasn't safe.
• 1:12:05
  He took the tape because it just said Ham and Tommy on the tape.
• 1:12:08
  That's all it said on the label. And he took it, brought it home,
• 1:12:13
  watched it with his roommate and then was like, holy shit.
• 1:12:16
  And then they distributed it. But it got to a point where they
• 1:12:19
  were like they were, they fought so hard for like the legal case
• 1:12:22
  and whatever was like fucking tied up in it and everything.
• 1:12:24
  And they were asking her like horrible questions.
• 1:12:26
  Like she, she went to lawyers and stuff and they were just
• 1:12:29
  like, did you know you were being filmed?
• 1:12:31
  She was like, yes. And I was like, oh, well, you
• 1:12:33
  know, why did you consent to that?
• 1:12:35
  It's my fucking husband. Like, we didn't think that it
• 1:12:38
  would ever go anywhere. That's why it was locked in a
• 1:12:40
  safe in our home. It wasn't for anyone else to
• 1:12:43
  see. And they just really, like,
• 1:12:45
  talked down to her demeanor. It's like, oh, yeah.
• 1:12:46
  But like, you're, you know, you're naked in Playboy or doing
• 1:12:48
  all this stuff like, so it must be OK.
• 1:12:50
  It's like, I didn't consent to it, though.
• 1:12:53
  It's not the same fucking thing. So she had an awful time on
• 1:12:56
  that. And then the guy that they'd
• 1:12:58
  sold it to you, I think it was Vivid, bought it.
• 1:13:01
  And. Yeah.
• 1:13:04
  And was it vivid? Yeah.
• 1:13:05
  I think it was vivid, yeah. I think Vivid, Vivid might have
• 1:13:10
  taken it after. So it was that guy and he was
• 1:13:14
  independent seller for a while and then I think he ended up
• 1:13:17
  selling more rights and then Vivid took it.
• 1:13:20
  But then Vivid had like contacted her and been like,
• 1:13:23
  look, we've got the rights to this, you know, do you want to
• 1:13:26
  get in on it? Like we can pay you X amount.
• 1:13:28
  She was like, no, I don't want to make any fucking money from
• 1:13:31
  it at all. Like it's like you've stolen
• 1:13:33
  that from us. Like it's I didn't consent to a
• 1:13:36
  being out there. I don't want it out there Like,
• 1:13:38
  but obviously there's nothing I can do now.
• 1:13:40
  And then she was just bullied like fucking relentlessly, like
• 1:13:43
  in the press, like any interview she did, they had to bring up
• 1:13:46
  the fucking tape, all this stuff like this poor woman, like, and
• 1:13:50
  she had like, I think like she had almost like miscarried from
• 1:13:54
  stress. There was like photographers
• 1:13:55
  trying to run off the fucking Rd. like just a horrible time
• 1:13:59
  about it. And it's like she saw not a
• 1:14:02
  penny from that. And everyone thinks that like
• 1:14:05
  she did. And it goes to the whole like
• 1:14:08
  Kim Kardashian, Paris Hilton, which I think yes, they were
• 1:14:12
  leaked purposely. I Yeah, well, I think.
• 1:14:15
  This is the thing like I think people people saw the the
• 1:14:19
  attention that Pamela got from this and she didn't want it was
• 1:14:24
  negative like they actually did. I think Disney Post has a whole
• 1:14:30
  mini series on the Pam and Tommy escapades and Seth Rogan is
• 1:14:36
  produced. He's a.
• 1:14:37
  Sebastian Stan is Tommy, and I think yeah, James is yeah.
• 1:14:41
  Yeah, now. I watched it.
• 1:14:44
  It's good boy. She didn't like Anderson is on
• 1:14:46
  board at all. Like she's she?
• 1:14:47
  She again? No.
• 1:14:48
  Tommy wasn't either. Yeah, she didn't want the Brock,
• 1:14:52
  but this is, you know, this is the stuff people are going to
• 1:14:56
  are forever going to capitalize on this kind of stuff and people
• 1:14:59
  are making money off her again. But as you say, when it came
• 1:15:03
  back to the likes of celebrity sex tapes that kind of came out,
• 1:15:07
  there was these convenient leaks then that came out for people
• 1:15:11
  who were. Like.
• 1:15:13
  Sued all celebrities at the time and that would have capital.
• 1:15:16
  So I came. Into like, fucking the
• 1:15:19
  stratosphere of celebrity. Yeah, I might make.
• 1:15:22
  So my personal opinion on it is I think Paris's, Paris Hilton's
• 1:15:27
  was definitely not her doing. I don't think that that was her
• 1:15:32
  doing. But I think everything that came
• 1:15:34
  after seeing that skyrocket her like, especially Kim Kardashian,
• 1:15:38
  because she was working as Paris's fucking assistant at
• 1:15:40
  that time. Yeah, I think everyone kind of
• 1:15:42
  took a leaf out of that. And there's a whole big thing
• 1:15:45
  that you can go into like this rabbit hole where it's a Kris
• 1:15:48
  Jenner who, like the devil works hard, but she fucking works
• 1:15:52
  harder. She is just a genius.
• 1:15:55
  Say, there was rumors that she had basically said, look, this
• 1:15:59
  is what we need to do to push her name right out there because
• 1:16:01
  she was just doing these like kind of it girl things at the
• 1:16:04
  time was just like she was very much like a like AD list
• 1:16:08
  celebrity. So they got Keeping Up with the
• 1:16:11
  Kardashians first, which I think they only got that first because
• 1:16:14
  it was Bruce Jenner who was America's sweetheart at the time
• 1:16:18
  and and that was enough to kind of pull out him.
• 1:16:21
  And it's also like Robert Kardashians kids who defended OJ
• 1:16:25
  so there. Was.
• 1:16:25
  There was. A name there already.
• 1:16:28
  And she was kind of like the star of the show.
• 1:16:30
  And they had one season and then I think Chris and Ray J, who was
• 1:16:36
  the the guy in the video, like he had come out and said since
• 1:16:39
  then that it was Chris that said, yeah, yeah, you're gonna,
• 1:16:42
  you're gonna need to do this. And like, there's been so much
• 1:16:44
  evidence pointed to it and stuff like that.
• 1:16:47
  And then it got kind of like trendy.
• 1:16:48
  It brought us into a whole kind of upswing and porn going kind
• 1:16:53
  of like even more mainstream because girls just wanted to do
• 1:16:57
  it. You had the Playboy bunnies, you
• 1:16:59
  had like girls, the Playboy Mansion in that show.
• 1:17:01
  There's a girls in my fucking school that would have like,
• 1:17:04
  they'd go and they'd get like their spray tan and they'd put
• 1:17:06
  the little Bunny sticker on their heads.
• 1:17:08
  Yeah, like Playboy Bunny pencil cases were fucking massive at
• 1:17:13
  the time. I like, yeah.
• 1:17:14
  The track suits the chains. Yeah, like it's.
• 1:17:16
  Crazy how kind of popular that kind of stuff came.
• 1:17:18
  Like we didn't even get into the kind of magazines of it all
• 1:17:21
  like. I'll go back to that.
• 1:17:24
  We just got offline. I don't even know if we need to
• 1:17:29
  kind of go back to what, like the likes of the likes of
• 1:17:33
  Playboy and Hustler and stuff like that.
• 1:17:35
  Really kind of true. True to fifties, 60s and 70s.
• 1:17:39
  I have to do a Simpsons quote. OK, episode of The Simpsons were
• 1:17:44
  Stephen Hawking. He's like, we all need to stop
• 1:17:48
  fighting, you know, where's like Larry?
• 1:17:50
  Flint. Gas that, gas that like Simpsons
• 1:17:59
  made a Larry Flynn talk about Stephen Hawking and he's on the
• 1:18:02
  Epstein list. So Simpsons fucking Simpsons did
• 1:18:06
  it again. You should do a full episode on
• 1:18:08
  The Simpsons predicting the future.
• 1:18:09
  Oh, we actually should. There's fucking loads in it.
• 1:18:11
  But if you haven't seen the people versus Larry Flynt,
• 1:18:14
  excellent film, unlike Courtney Love is before you tell me to
• 1:18:18
  fuck off. Not you just see just everyone
• 1:18:21
  else. Courtney Love, phenomenal,
• 1:18:23
  phenomenal as Ophelia. Like absolutely incredible.
• 1:18:27
  She was so good, like the whole movie.
• 1:18:30
  So it's Woody Harrelson. It is Woody Harrelson.
• 1:18:34
  It is Woody Harrelson. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:36
  I always mix up him and Woody Allen.
• 1:18:38
  I'm like, not the baby rapper. Alleged baby rapper just so we
• 1:18:42
  fucking Jesus. Christ.
• 1:18:44
  He's married his daughter. Yeah, boy, he.
• 1:18:47
  Has baby rapper like? Jesus Christ.
• 1:18:50
  Well, I can say baby rapper, assuming whatever we don't have
• 1:18:53
  money to give you, it's OK. So any kind of like hot girl in
• 1:18:58
  the 90s, she was probably in Playboy, Hustler, Maxim, FHM, if
• 1:19:04
  it's the 2000s, all those kind of big magazines and they were
• 1:19:08
  huge. Like I remember my brother had
• 1:19:10
  like in his room, just all these fucking like FHM fucking girls,
• 1:19:15
  like all over his wall. And it was just like, this is
• 1:19:18
  kind of gross. I'm coming in here to play
• 1:19:19
  Resident Evil 1 on the PlayStation one and I've just
• 1:19:22
  got like fucking 90s titties just looking at me and I'm like
• 1:19:26
  no be on. My room was covered in bosses
• 1:19:32
  of. Of of.
• 1:19:34
  Professional wrestlers and I remember my father, every time
• 1:19:39
  he looked in my room, he just looked in with disappointment.
• 1:19:43
  I had big, greasy, mostly men. That's my family.
• 1:19:49
  Would have been delighted to see some titties in my room.
• 1:19:52
  My brother and he had the girls were on the outside right And
• 1:19:56
  then if you open his wardrobe, that's an inside door was like a
• 1:20:01
  life-size Bret Hart. And then there was like what was
• 1:20:06
  it like stickers and stuff? And then he had like marker and
• 1:20:10
  he had made like drawn N.W.A ice cube.
• 1:20:16
  Like all this weird shit. And then there was just like
• 1:20:18
  this one random picture on its own.
• 1:20:21
  Like, so as soon as he opens this wardrobe, you see just this
• 1:20:23
  portrait of, like, Lex Luger. And it's just like, are you OK?
• 1:20:27
  Are you gay or are you knocking? Because it's like the closet
• 1:20:30
  says you're very gay. Well.
• 1:20:33
  I'd like to say like he's gay in the closet and.
• 1:20:40
  I was like, and like, you know the one that I'm talking about,
• 1:20:42
  the Bret Hart one, when he's like this and he's like oily,
• 1:20:45
  the glasses are on. I was just like, and then I
• 1:20:49
  remember always being like, like, I prefer Shawn Michaels.
• 1:20:52
  And he was just like, you say that get in my room when I'm
• 1:20:54
  like, OK, but yeah, I think that's it.
• 1:21:01
  But there was your one, right? Maybe you might know her name.
• 1:21:04
  I forget. She was from neighbors.
• 1:21:06
  She was in neighbors. Nicole something.
• 1:21:10
  Well, I know neighbors in what? What?
• 1:21:12
  What's what? You're in here early 90s.
• 1:21:15
  Early 90s Nicole She I remembered I can I can see the
• 1:21:21
  Maxim shoot. It was black and white.
• 1:21:23
  She had this ponytail and dark hair and she had like her arms
• 1:21:26
  crossed and like covering her boobs and then she had like her
• 1:21:30
  alert like her thumb in her mouth.
• 1:21:32
  Nicole, I have to. That's going to bother me if I
• 1:21:37
  don't look it up. So we will.
• 1:21:43
  So just while you're filling in that time, I suppose what I
• 1:21:46
  could talk about here is how how porn has pushed technology on as
• 1:21:55
  if you think about it, because we had VHS and Betamax were kind
• 1:21:59
  of the two analogue tape systems that could have been used.
• 1:22:06
  And because porn kind of chose VHS, that was the the medium
• 1:22:14
  that won out. And it was the same with DVD and
• 1:22:19
  Blu-ray because porn didn't really adopt Blu-ray like
• 1:22:24
  nobody, nobody jumped on the Blu-ray wagon.
• 1:22:27
  So like, because porno stayed with DVDs, everybody else said
• 1:22:31
  with DVDs and nobody jumped into fucking Blu-ray discs because
• 1:22:35
  why? Why would you do it if if porn
• 1:22:37
  isn't really embracing it as much?
• 1:22:40
  And to go from there to then the Internet, when you had the
• 1:22:44
  advent of the Internet, of course the Internet.
• 1:22:47
  Oh, we can get all the information that we want.
• 1:22:49
  Isn't this going to be this great technology, man?
• 1:22:51
  Just automatically go, yeah, but now we can see fucking tits all
• 1:22:55
  the time. So then like the Internet took
• 1:23:01
  off basically like as it, as the Internet kind of snowballed and
• 1:23:07
  you know, people started using it for, you know, everyday use.
• 1:23:11
  The idea that like that like people could sell sex now
• 1:23:18
  online, like between like selling physical copies of DVDs
• 1:23:22
  and VHS or whatever you've got or just images online now.
• 1:23:28
  The technology wasn't there at the start to get like high
• 1:23:31
  quality videos, the Internet star.
• 1:23:35
  The technology got better and better because the money from
• 1:23:39
  pornography was being pumped into it like the money to get.
• 1:23:42
  It's hard to imagine that like in the 70's the revenue of
• 1:23:47
  pornography kind of jumped from worldwide being like, you know,
• 1:23:53
  $5,000,000 worldwide to within maybe two or three years to be
• 1:23:59
  in 400 million in just like California alone.
• 1:24:03
  So like when you think about how fast that could like sex sells,
• 1:24:07
  as they say. And when you're selling actual
• 1:24:10
  sex, not just like selling a product using sex, you're
• 1:24:13
  selling the product of sex, which is pornography, whether
• 1:24:17
  it's, again, like I say in VHS or DVD or just images online,
• 1:24:22
  the fucking revenue that comes in is obviously going to, it's
• 1:24:27
  unfathomable the amount of money that part that porn made at the
• 1:24:32
  time and it's still making now in a different kind of a way.
• 1:24:35
  We'll get interactable. But like the fact that it was
• 1:24:38
  making so much money was what back these technologies and it
• 1:24:42
  kind of furthered if we didn't have pornography, I don't think
• 1:24:46
  we would have technology in the way.
• 1:24:47
  Like, obviously, we still probably would have went to the
• 1:24:50
  moon or we, you know, sends out rockets into space.
• 1:24:52
  Oh yeah. When it came to digital
• 1:24:55
  technology, like fucking what we're doing right now, like
• 1:24:59
  we're me and you were in fucking different countries and we're
• 1:25:01
  talking to each other through screens.
• 1:25:03
  I am not sure if that technology would have really snowballed as
• 1:25:08
  fast and became as prevalent as a as it is now if it wasn't for.
• 1:25:14
  Ender didn't want to see a naked lady.
• 1:25:18
  Well, that's, that's what I was actually going to get into next
• 1:25:22
  is from being this all-encompassing kind of
• 1:25:27
  business where like people were, it was crazy because like there
• 1:25:32
  was no movies coming out like the the Pirates of the Caribbean
• 1:25:35
  parody movie, which is I think the second.
• 1:25:38
  One of them it. Was actually.
• 1:25:39
  Pretty good. It was like what?
• 1:25:43
  It made the most money of any porno movie ever.
• 1:25:50
  Like what made like something that rival a lot of like,
• 1:25:53
  fucking Hollywood blockbusters. Like it made so much money.
• 1:25:57
  But then all of a sudden what had happened then was the
• 1:26:02
  accessibility of free porn. That's when Pornhub came in.
• 1:26:05
  And so actually an interesting thing that that you might enjoy
• 1:26:10
  knowing is that at the start of the Internet, before we get into
• 1:26:15
  like the, the, the, the Internet and fucking how that's changed
• 1:26:20
  pornography or how pornography has changed the Internet.
• 1:26:22
  It's funny that one of the very first sites, and it could have
• 1:26:26
  been the very first site where someone had a pornographic site
• 1:26:30
  selling their own stuff online, was a woman with with massive
• 1:26:38
  tits. I think she had a she had a pair
• 1:26:42
  of either GS or HS. It was funny to this woman.
• 1:26:46
  And she? She was there.
• 1:26:47
  She was tired of giving all her money to to whatever fucking
• 1:26:52
  whoever her husband workedinthe.com industry and she
• 1:26:58
  learned how to do one of these. Http://fucking recorded fucking
• 1:27:03
  things and she made her own website.
• 1:27:05
  I forget the name of the website, but the woman's name
• 1:27:07
  was Danny spelled with an I. So she ended up kind of becoming
• 1:27:14
  a millionaire her. So she caught out the middleman.
• 1:27:18
  She caught out like, you know, a fucking producers and you know,
• 1:27:24
  Vivid, whatever. What's the name and what's the
• 1:27:26
  name of them when they're a thing?
• 1:27:28
  A studio? So she got out the studio, she
• 1:27:30
  got out the studio, she got out everything, and she kind of just
• 1:27:33
  monetized herself and she was selling the.
• 1:27:35
  Original only fans. Kind of basically, yeah.
• 1:27:39
  It's funny that that it was a woman.
• 1:27:42
  I just thought that was a nice little.
• 1:27:44
  I fucking forget her second name though, but her name was her
• 1:27:48
  name was Danny. She had massive baps and.
• 1:27:52
  It was me all along. Then like we get the likes of
• 1:27:57
  Pornhub, that was Pornhub was started I think in the 90s and
• 1:28:01
  people don't really get that bad.
• 1:28:02
  It was started just people sharing images like with amongst
• 1:28:07
  themselves, yeah. Yeah, so, so Pornhub is very,
• 1:28:12
  very morally great. Very not a good kind of so they
• 1:28:15
  were. So there was a movie that came
• 1:28:19
  out and you've seen it was on Netflix.
• 1:28:21
  It's called Pretty Girls Wanted about Pornhub and basically the
• 1:28:25
  fact that so you can go into Pornhub like I can go on with an
• 1:28:29
  account and just upload anything and there is no checks.
• 1:28:33
  There is nothing done on that. And it came out that there were
• 1:28:37
  like thousands and thousands of it was revenge porn.
• 1:28:42
  Basically was was put up there was just like, you know, a
• 1:28:47
  couple will fill some film something for their own kind of
• 1:28:49
  enjoyment and then the guy fucking uploads it and then gets
• 1:28:52
  sharing and whatever. That was like a huge thing.
• 1:28:55
  So with the rise of smartphones and Internet porn, many victims
• 1:28:59
  have had private videos leaked without consent.
• 1:29:02
  This led to psychological trauma, suicides, legal battles
• 1:29:05
  before most countries criminalized it.
• 1:29:08
  So it took Pornhub years to actually agree to go and just
• 1:29:14
  troll through everything. Yeah.
• 1:29:17
  And like make sure that this was like, and I mean, I don't, I
• 1:29:22
  think they ended up having to bring in like basically like if
• 1:29:25
  you, if you are uploading like amateur, you would have to get
• 1:29:29
  IDs of both or however many parties to consent to sign off
• 1:29:35
  to say they consent to being in this video, they consent to
• 1:29:39
  being hosted and whatever. There's people whose job it is
• 1:29:43
  to screen these things now, and that's a rough job because
• 1:29:48
  there's basically you're, you're watching it to see like sexual
• 1:29:52
  assaults or basically fucking child porn.
• 1:29:56
  So that's, that's what you're, you're, you're watching to to
• 1:30:00
  make sure that this isn't coming true.
• 1:30:01
  And that's their job. There's a really interesting
• 1:30:03
  interview, I'm not sure if you, you heard it, with Theo Von and
• 1:30:06
  one of the women that that was campaigning for this, like she
• 1:30:10
  was campaigning for years for Pornhub to take action, to
• 1:30:13
  actually like get involved in themselves.
• 1:30:15
  Yeah, to to regulate themselves. And she kind of went to Congress
• 1:30:19
  and got the, the laws changed so that like they had to actually
• 1:30:23
  fucking take accountability themselves and, you know,
• 1:30:26
  monitor their, their website better and actually fucking, you
• 1:30:30
  know, make sure that there's none of these illegal fucking
• 1:30:33
  videos and non consensual videos or rape videos or child
• 1:30:37
  pornography coming onto it. And it's a, there's a really
• 1:30:41
  obviously, you know, it's, it's Theo Von.
• 1:30:42
  So like fucking, you know, he kind of goes off the rails, but
• 1:30:46
  he, he admits to being addicted to, to pornography as well.
• 1:30:52
  Like, so he kind of had a horse in the race for that interview
• 1:30:58
  and it's actually really interesting to hear your ones.
• 1:31:01
  I think I know. Who you're talking about?
• 1:31:04
  Because it's the what's her? What's her name?
• 1:31:08
  Let me try and find it on my notes here.
• 1:31:10
  Hang on. Well, you're looking for that.
• 1:31:14
  Do you want me to tell you who this Danny girl is?
• 1:31:17
  I'm after I looked her up I forgot.
• 1:31:19
  Oh, I found. A We'll go back.
• 1:31:20
  Her name is Danny. What?
• 1:31:24
  You've got yours now, so you might as well say no.
• 1:31:27
  No, you guys, you, you started, it's fine.
• 1:31:29
  It's fine. I started so finished, but Danny
• 1:31:32
  Ash. She was sometimes known as
• 1:31:36
  Danielle Ashe in in some of her modeling.
• 1:31:40
  She was a new model and erotic dancer and a web developer who
• 1:31:44
  is the founder and former CEO of Danny's Hard Drive, a popular
• 1:31:48
  adult website from the 90s. She started her adult Internet
• 1:31:52
  site in 1995. She has been an industry
• 1:31:55
  advocate and testified before a government panel.
• 1:31:59
  So she was one of the the women who kind of got the laws change
• 1:32:03
  so that like it was safer for women online or this kind of
• 1:32:06
  stuff as well. But she again, she was one of
• 1:32:11
  the the first women to kind of take control of her own like in
• 1:32:16
  1995. That's fucking 30 years ago
• 1:32:18
  like. That's massive.
• 1:32:20
  Yeah. Like that was like at the advent
• 1:32:23
  of the Internet becoming kind of household like like like for
• 1:32:29
  people to have. I almost still fucking dial up
• 1:32:30
  and it took you fucking two days to see nipples as the fucking
• 1:32:36
  the image online would Scroll down.
• 1:32:39
  I've I put so many viruses onto computers with my wire or line
• 1:32:43
  wire. But she was one of these fucking
• 1:32:47
  innovators and wanted a pioneer of, like, actually taking
• 1:32:51
  control of her own images and I suppose sexuality online,
• 1:32:57
  whereas the studio still had a lot of control.
• 1:33:00
  So, Danny Ash, I think you'll be happy to know that a girl named
• 1:33:04
  Danny with massive baps was a pioneer for the pornography
• 1:33:08
  industry. But no, the the one that I was
• 1:33:12
  going for. So there was there was a huge
• 1:33:13
  legal battle and stuff, but there so it's Bree Olson.
• 1:33:16
  It was the actress's name. She was going out with Charlie
• 1:33:18
  Sheen at the time she was arrested her like her whole
• 1:33:23
  family were like everything was raided.
• 1:33:25
  She was like treated like shit because some actress and now I
• 1:33:29
  cannot find the name of this actress anywhere.
• 1:33:31
  Obviously it's like Shelly, I think it might be something.
• 1:33:37
  But basically so she had lied about her age and gotten into
• 1:33:41
  porn. So everybody was, you know,
• 1:33:45
  acting with this girl and in in movies and scenes with this girl
• 1:33:48
  unknowingly knowing that she was, she was underage, she was
• 1:33:52
  minor. She served time, she served like
• 1:33:55
  2 years in prison for like obviously like sex of the minor.
• 1:33:59
  A bunch of other people did too because she lied about her age
• 1:34:02
  and that and that was like a huge thing as well.
• 1:34:04
  You can't, you don't know like back in those days that this was
• 1:34:08
  the 90s, obviously like, and no one was doing fucking background
• 1:34:12
  checks on someone who wanted to get into porn.
• 1:34:14
  If you have a fake fucking ID, you could get into porn, you
• 1:34:17
  could do whatever, but it's like, it's nothing to do with
• 1:34:20
  like this girl who's lying about her age.
• 1:34:22
  It's like the fucking actors. It's the producers, anyone in
• 1:34:25
  that room, anyone distributing the material afterwards who?
• 1:34:29
  Everybody else, everyone's consented to this and signed up
• 1:34:32
  to do this, like everyone you know.
• 1:34:34
  And then you've got someone like lying about their age.
• 1:34:36
  It automatically makes a child porn, it automatically makes it
• 1:34:39
  illegal. It automatically fucking
• 1:34:41
  basically incriminates. Everybody that's involved is now
• 1:34:45
  incriminating the whole thing. Yeah.
• 1:34:48
  And like, she did a podcast recently.
• 1:34:51
  There's this other girl. She's like a, she's got a
• 1:34:54
  pocket. She's like she she used to do
• 1:34:56
  porn. I forget her name, but she had
• 1:35:00
  her on and we're just talking about it.
• 1:35:01
  So she kind of like, came into the scene much later after Brie
• 1:35:05
  Olson did. Like, so she kind of missed out
• 1:35:07
  that whole chunk. But like, yeah, basically there
• 1:35:10
  was like she said she remembers like coming home.
• 1:35:13
  She was living with her, I think her grandma at the time, and her
• 1:35:18
  grandma had called her, it's been like to get home and get
• 1:35:20
  home. She was like on a Bender with
• 1:35:22
  Charity Sheen the night before. She was like, whatever.
• 1:35:24
  She was like, she's at his house.
• 1:35:26
  And they were like highest fuck. And her grandma was calling her
• 1:35:29
  and she was like, fuck, yeah, fine.
• 1:35:30
  Final goal, go whatever. So she ended up like driving
• 1:35:33
  highest fuck back to her grandma's house, just squat
• 1:35:37
  cars, like just the whole place is being raided, going through
• 1:35:41
  all of her stuff and everything. And she was driving up her dad
• 1:35:47
  and her brother had seen her pull up and told her to, like,
• 1:35:52
  turn down so she wouldn't get caught.
• 1:35:54
  So she like, fucking drove off. Dan, the brother.
• 1:35:57
  We're trying to be like, oh, no, it's like, it's fine.
• 1:36:00
  There's nothing going on. Like, whatever.
• 1:36:01
  But she, she went down for two years over that because someone
• 1:36:04
  had lied. Yeah.
• 1:36:06
  And like, that's fucking. I got a few others like people
• 1:36:09
  did. I think the cat, the like the
• 1:36:11
  cameraman went down, the producer went down.
• 1:36:14
  I think the fucking makeup artist got like a fine because
• 1:36:18
  it was like physical contact with a minor.
• 1:36:22
  So I well, so when I did make up right on on porn sets, it's it's
• 1:36:25
  right. So an example of this right is,
• 1:36:30
  you know, like if you're scrolling through Pornhub,
• 1:36:32
  whatever, you see the thumbnails.
• 1:36:34
  Familiar. Yeah.
• 1:36:35
  Before you this, this I want to watch, right?
• 1:36:37
  So they're called Pretty Girls, which I'll get back to that
• 1:36:42
  documentary and 2nd Pretty girls wanted.
• 1:36:44
  They're not like stills from the fucking like shoot.
• 1:36:48
  Like they're not just like you have.
• 1:36:50
  They pose for those, right. Yeah, so there's times when.
• 1:36:53
  Like obviously. You explained this last week,
• 1:36:56
  you know that? Yeah.
• 1:36:57
  Did I? On on the episode.
• 1:37:00
  Oh well then fine, forget I guess.
• 1:37:02
  I mean like 1 of. Our weird conversations, but
• 1:37:04
  yeah, you. I might have just told you, I
• 1:37:06
  don't think I talked about the podcast.
• 1:37:08
  So, so basically like you, you got the whole thing where like
• 1:37:10
  this girl has come all over her face and you got a kind of like
• 1:37:12
  still make her makeup look perfect, but she you know, but
• 1:37:16
  there's been times when like literally I've had like, so if
• 1:37:19
  you're doing, if you're a porn star and you got your period,
• 1:37:22
  like you can't not work, you can't not go to work.
• 1:37:24
  So a lot of the time we'll use like a makeup sponge the absorbs
• 1:37:28
  the blood, you can't see it. Everything's fine.
• 1:37:31
  And there's been times when I have to like go up there and
• 1:37:33
  like pull it down because I'm the only one who doesn't have
• 1:37:37
  long nails because I'm doing makeup.
• 1:37:39
  I don't, it doesn't work that way.
• 1:37:41
  The guys wouldn't do it. Like they'd be like, no, fucked
• 1:37:43
  up. I'm gonna do.
• 1:37:44
  It's like you're, you've literally been fucking ball
• 1:37:46
  seeping her for the last fucking like 4 hours.
• 1:37:48
  Whatever, you're fine. And it's things like that, like
• 1:37:51
  that could so easily happen to me to be like, OK, yeah, I'll
• 1:37:55
  reach up inside your vag and take this down for you.
• 1:37:58
  Oh, you're 15. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:38:01
  So she basically back like she sent down a whole fucking crew,
• 1:38:05
  a whole film crew with her from light of bed rage.
• 1:38:09
  Like people, people have to learn from that one, though.
• 1:38:11
  Like, you know, now. Oh.
• 1:38:13
  Yeah. Do to do?
• 1:38:15
  Diligence. Is going to be yeah, so
• 1:38:16
  everything's going to be vetted and make sure people are safe
• 1:38:19
  like but you. You hear these like, incredible,
• 1:38:22
  like Hollywood actors and singers and they're like, yeah,
• 1:38:26
  I like about my age to get into this club so I could sing.
• 1:38:29
  And they're like fucking you. You can get like, it's not just
• 1:38:32
  you lying to get a fucking paycheck.
• 1:38:34
  Like you are incriminating these people.
• 1:38:37
  It's not just like, Oh yeah, I like about my age that I had a
• 1:38:40
  few too many Smirnoff Ice in in a club, You know what I mean?
• 1:38:44
  Like it's not the same fucking thing.
• 1:38:46
  Like, these people are being sent down now for statutory rape
• 1:38:49
  unknowingly because you have lied and it's just.
• 1:38:54
  Yeah. Anyway, anyway, moving on.
• 1:38:55
  It was Nicola Charles was that girl, by the way.
• 1:38:59
  And the girl that done the interview with Theo Vaughn, if
• 1:39:03
  anyone wants to look it up, is Layla Mika.
• 1:39:06
  Wait. And she's the author of a book
• 1:39:10
  called Takedown Inside the fight to shut down Pornhub for child
• 1:39:14
  abuse, rape and sex trafficking. And it's a really interesting
• 1:39:18
  interview. We love that.
• 1:39:20
  That they that they chat about and it goes into like she goes
• 1:39:24
  into some great detail of like what they did for Pornhub to to
• 1:39:29
  kind of put them to the fucking stolen like to, to actually tell
• 1:39:31
  them to fucking get their act together.
• 1:39:35
  And it was Pamela Anderson actually as well.
• 1:39:37
  She, she came out and she was, she was like everyone was like,
• 1:39:41
  oh, she's anti porn even though she got your, she got her tits
• 1:39:44
  out. And she's like, no, I'm not anti
• 1:39:46
  porn. I'm just, I think it needs to be
• 1:39:48
  strict. There needs to be guidelines
• 1:39:49
  because like it is like a profession people are going into
• 1:39:53
  now and there needs to be protection, which absolutely.
• 1:39:58
  Like I'm not like gonna fucking. You know.
• 1:40:01
  What I mean, for all the bad that came with the likes of the
• 1:40:03
  studios where like obviously a lot of misogyny, all this stuff
• 1:40:09
  like sexual assaults that would have happened and that kind of
• 1:40:12
  stuff. There was there was still a lot
• 1:40:14
  of regulation with these studios.
• 1:40:17
  So like when when Pornhub came along and amateur porn became
• 1:40:26
  the new thing where you're able to just upload images, as you
• 1:40:29
  said earlier on images, videos and stuff that of people that
• 1:40:32
  you don't know who these people are, you don't know where
• 1:40:34
  they're from, but you're clicking on a video and yeah,
• 1:40:37
  basically what it sees, what are what you see is what's described
• 1:40:42
  in a fucking, you know, Ebony teen gets pounded by fucking big
• 1:40:47
  black cock. Whatever it is that you fucking
• 1:40:49
  type in, you're taken for face value that this is or even
• 1:40:53
  people aren't even thinking about that time.
• 1:40:54
  They're not thinking about any kind of ethical thing.
• 1:40:57
  They're just horny dudes which are Dick in their hand and
• 1:40:59
  they're going to watch that video and they're going to like
• 1:41:01
  see it for what it is. But we can we can Fast forward
• 1:41:04
  past or in into like what what porn is kind of now, I suppose.
• 1:41:09
  And now that we you've kind of mentioned that because that's
• 1:41:11
  our kind of spark and something in me there that the thing that
• 1:41:14
  that changed revolutionized the porn industry again, like you
• 1:41:17
  can like it's so much stuff is kind of is, is after snowballing
• 1:41:22
  here, as we say, like from when we talk about like the printing
• 1:41:25
  press and people are fucking getting horny overseeing like
• 1:41:28
  fucking euphemism. Down in the 16.
• 1:41:31
  Hundreds and stuff like that to all the way through to like
• 1:41:34
  fucking magazines to fucking movies, to VHS, to DVD, to the
• 1:41:40
  Internet. And then what kind of fucking
• 1:41:42
  slammed the turned the porn sheet up on its fucking head is
• 1:41:48
  actually COVID, which is this interesting time, which is
• 1:41:53
  everybody ended up at home. Even as you mentioned it, during
• 1:41:56
  the time of lockdown Pornhub gave out like free memberships
• 1:42:00
  free. Premium.
• 1:42:02
  At home, like I was away from my partner at the time for months
• 1:42:08
  on end because you're in different counties, you're
• 1:42:10
  locked, locked down in different counties.
• 1:42:11
  And we, we are living with each other yet and fucking I remember
• 1:42:15
  being like, there's nothing I can do.
• 1:42:18
  I can't leave the house. So fucking pornhubs after giving
• 1:42:21
  me a free account and I was fucking jacking away.
• 1:42:25
  But what happened then was that all these people who now lost
• 1:42:30
  revenue and I say people, women mostly who were sitting at home
• 1:42:34
  couldn't couldn't make money because they couldn't leave
• 1:42:37
  their house, actually go to their jobs, started setting up
• 1:42:40
  their only fans or their Cam Cam set up Cam accounts and
• 1:42:47
  basically started making their own money from the necessity
• 1:42:52
  like to the needed money. And the one way they could make
• 1:42:57
  it was to enter the porn industry.
• 1:43:00
  And when it came around to like the time when we were all
• 1:43:05
  indoors, when lockdown was fucking raging worldwide, the
• 1:43:09
  biggest industry in the world at the time was porn.
• 1:43:13
  And the the most revenue that that was brought in in 2020 to
• 1:43:21
  2021 was pornography. And it was people at home making
• 1:43:26
  their own porn. And that's how Only Fans became,
• 1:43:29
  like, only Fans I think is around since 2016.
• 1:43:32
  But really, yeah, like, people really took advantage of it in a
• 1:43:39
  door lockdown and started really making money.
• 1:43:42
  Like people are really making money for themselves because
• 1:43:46
  nobody had anything else to do, couldn't leave the house.
• 1:43:47
  So like there's only so many times you can watch fucking the
• 1:43:50
  movie or fucking you know, like or did this the same thing
• 1:43:54
  videos. So they wanted personal like if
• 1:43:56
  you. Had any?
• 1:43:57
  Yeah, if you had like any kind of like, you know, remotely
• 1:44:02
  large following, you'd make a fucking ton.
• 1:44:05
  So like I have a friend she I think like she's like 2000
• 1:44:08
  followers, like not a lot, but she started it.
• 1:44:12
  She posted maybe like a few pictures like just no face, just
• 1:44:17
  kind of like lingerie. She has a lot of tattoos and
• 1:44:20
  stuff. So I don't think she wanted her
• 1:44:21
  face and anything which yeah, fair enough.
• 1:44:24
  Like and I think she was making something like $500 a month from
• 1:44:29
  those same 4 pictures just on the feed.
• 1:44:32
  But one of my other friends, she, she's been doing it and
• 1:44:37
  like everyone kind of glamorizes it.
• 1:44:39
  And I think it's, they think it's a lot of money.
• 1:44:41
  It's not, it's, it's, it's really hard to make.
• 1:44:45
  So the top, top, top earners. Yeah, 111 percent.
• 1:44:49
  Of the rain, yeah. One 1% millions, but everybody
• 1:44:53
  else kind of just makes it's Nicks or money.
• 1:44:56
  It's just a little bit of extra pocket money, basically.
• 1:44:59
  You get your bills paid like well, like, you know, you have
• 1:45:02
  like Sophie Rain, who is the highest earner only fans who's
• 1:45:05
  like a couple of million a year. She makes like just and it's
• 1:45:09
  because she looks like she's 12 and that's you know, I mean,
• 1:45:12
  that's another thing she plays into the fact that she looks
• 1:45:14
  like a child. She's like into her late 20s,
• 1:45:16
  but she she looks really young. But so like my mate anyway, she
• 1:45:19
  was doing like all of this kind of like just barely post
• 1:45:22
  anything. She's like a big like kind of
• 1:45:27
  sort of like rockabilly kind of person anyway.
• 1:45:29
  So her style is really cool. She like wears loads of like
• 1:45:32
  cool underage. That's just what she wears
• 1:45:34
  anyway. So like for her it was just
• 1:45:36
  simple selfies that she was just taken and she's making like
• 1:45:39
  nearly £500 a month on that. But the real money is for the
• 1:45:46
  perverts and the DMS and that's how you get the proper money.
• 1:45:50
  So your subscription could probably be like, I don't know.
• 1:45:53
  Like, I think the Max I've seen of my friends has been like
• 1:45:57
  $15.00 a month, right? Which is a lot.
• 1:46:00
  It is a lot for only fans. But then that's if you're not
• 1:46:04
  doing the customs, Like you can be one of those girls.
• 1:46:06
  It's like, Oh yeah, like I'm free for 30 days.
• 1:46:09
  But then you're sending DMS to your followers and being like,
• 1:46:14
  oh, like tip $15.00 to unlock this Hot video of me, like play
• 1:46:19
  with my tits or like, you know, it's all done like that.
• 1:46:22
  It's like a package deal, $50.00 for an hour of sexting, like all
• 1:46:28
  these kind of little fucking things and it's work.
• 1:46:30
  It is work. And then people are like she's
• 1:46:33
  not any fans girl. Like that's like she's it's
• 1:46:35
  fucking work, dude. It's draining.
• 1:46:37
  It's fucking demanding. Like I know like my friend has
• 1:46:39
  had to like block so many people because she's just been harassed
• 1:46:43
  because men just take the piss. They just think that like you're
• 1:46:46
  an object and because they're paying you, they can talk to you
• 1:46:49
  however they like. They can do whatever.
• 1:46:51
  And it's like it's, it hasn't, fuck it.
• 1:46:53
  It's not really that different from working in porn in the
• 1:46:56
  fucking early 2000s. Like it's not that different.
• 1:47:00
  It's just on a different fucking platform.
• 1:47:02
  You might have like a little bit more control, as in you can just
• 1:47:05
  block the person and say no, fuck off.
• 1:47:06
  But like, you're still to an extent exploited, you know what
• 1:47:12
  I mean? And everyone.
• 1:47:13
  'S. Like empowerment, like yes, it
• 1:47:16
  is empowerment. Like an awesome fucking fair
• 1:47:18
  play to you. Like no judgment here.
• 1:47:21
  Like I don't have the balls to do it.
• 1:47:22
  Like I if I did, I would be fucking doing it.
• 1:47:24
  And like everybody tells me like why don't you do it?
• 1:47:26
  Like you'd make so much money like from back in the fucking
• 1:47:29
  like wrestling fan days, everyone's like you could
• 1:47:32
  fucking you. You'd have bought a house by
• 1:47:34
  now. And I'm like, I just don't.
• 1:47:36
  It's not for me because it's just like, I don't like the idea
• 1:47:39
  of any fucking neckbeard. Like, do you know what I mean?
• 1:47:43
  Just being able to. And each to their own like that.
• 1:47:47
  That's fine. It is what it is.
• 1:47:48
  But it's at a point now where only fans is so saturated.
• 1:47:53
  And if they can't get it from you, they're going to get it
• 1:47:56
  from a girl who looks exactly like you, who's charging maybe
• 1:47:59
  $2.00 less a month. Yeah.
• 1:48:01
  And it's at one point, yeah. You'd probably be a big earner.
• 1:48:05
  But like, it's the same as like porn, like DVDs paying for
• 1:48:10
  anything has died off. That's where they made most of
• 1:48:12
  their money. And now it's all the money is
• 1:48:15
  made on these sites like campsites and things like that.
• 1:48:18
  But like, you can give so much and they're always going to want
• 1:48:22
  more and more and more. And if you're not providing more
• 1:48:25
  and keeping up with it, you're going to fall behind.
• 1:48:29
  And someone else who is showing more is is going to get the
• 1:48:32
  money, you know, so it's like it's it's not porn isn't
• 1:48:36
  something. And again, I'm not anti porn.
• 1:48:38
  Like fucking fair place anyone wants to do it.
• 1:48:40
  But it's just, it's always a rat race constantly like.
• 1:48:44
  And so to to let's go on to something that is, is kind of a
• 1:48:50
  little bit more upbeat then and have a little chat ethical porn.
• 1:48:56
  And yeah, yeah, so I don't know because I, I like my pornography
• 1:49:02
  very unethical. But have you, you got the the
• 1:49:08
  list of websites Would you like? Do you have them for of the?
• 1:49:14
  I'm sure if you're looking them up.
• 1:49:17
  Yes. What do you want, the good or
• 1:49:19
  the bad? No, the ethical ones now and we
• 1:49:23
  can kind of have a chat about like what, what good they do
• 1:49:26
  with, with porn and the difference that you're getting
• 1:49:30
  from them than you would with the likes of Pornhub or, you
• 1:49:36
  know, the, the the sites that obviously aren't ethically
• 1:49:41
  sourcing their sex. What do you mean by ethically
• 1:49:44
  sourcing? Well, what I.
• 1:49:45
  Need to say is like when when there there is websites there
• 1:49:48
  now I forget the name of them because again, ADHD and I've
• 1:49:52
  just really kind of learned about these these sites
• 1:49:56
  recently. It's the likes of like Erica,
• 1:49:59
  you've got like Erica. Lost, I think.
• 1:50:02
  Erica's films and then we've got 4 Chambers artist run studio
• 1:50:07
  blending porn, surrealism and sensuality.
• 1:50:10
  This was founded by Vex Ashley in the UK.
• 1:50:14
  Erotic art house cinema, rather than like commercial porn.
• 1:50:19
  Created with artistic integrity and performer autonomy.
• 1:50:24
  Doesn't rely on mainstream tropes or violence.
• 1:50:27
  I could go on, and I've got a lot of them, but basically what
• 1:50:31
  makes a porn site ethical? Explicit, documented consent,
• 1:50:35
  fair pay and royalties for performers, No coercion, no
• 1:50:39
  surprises. What is filmed is exactly what
• 1:50:41
  was agreed on. Body positivity and diversity,
• 1:50:45
  safer sex practices and transparency about status.
• 1:50:49
  No racist, homophobic or violent tropes.
• 1:50:53
  We can go back to that. I had a whole section on that
• 1:50:56
  performer control over what is released and it's a focus on
• 1:51:01
  mutual pleasure and not just male gratification.
• 1:51:05
  So also quick. So I mean, I mean.
• 1:51:19
  Fair, but so, so Quinn, right is I love Quinn I, I, I can just
• 1:51:28
  like I, I, I that's all I use now.
• 1:51:31
  So Quinn wrote down a little bit for you.
• 1:51:33
  So cutting edge audio erotica founded by Caroline Spiegel.
• 1:51:39
  So she is really active on the TikTok as well.
• 1:51:43
  Like she's the one who runs here.
• 1:51:44
  She makes the videos like the the TikTok is actually really
• 1:51:47
  funny. So it's like basically like just
• 1:51:50
  depicts like the staff when they're like out and about, like
• 1:51:53
  shopping and target whatever. And then like it'll play like an
• 1:51:56
  audio and they're like just holding a pillow in the middle
• 1:51:59
  of like the home while and target like but they've had like
• 1:52:05
  Andrew Scott has done a series with them.
• 1:52:08
  You were telling me about this. The guy, I don't know his name,
• 1:52:10
  the guy from Stranger Things, he's done one.
• 1:52:13
  And a guy from Bridgard and he's done one with them.
• 1:52:16
  So like, they're getting really big.
• 1:52:18
  So basically think of it as Spotify for erotic audio space
• 1:52:23
  dedicated to central storytelling, imagination and
• 1:52:27
  consent based pleasure. It's been recognized as a 2024
• 1:52:32
  Brands That Matter honoree for its innovative, innovative
• 1:52:36
  approach and growing popularity. Yeah, operates on an audio only
• 1:52:43
  content, no video, allowing listeners to project their own
• 1:52:47
  fantasies, making it more cerebral and personal.
• 1:52:51
  Features community moderation, content tagging, creator payouts
• 1:52:55
  and a tipping system, which is great.
• 1:52:58
  So there's like, there's a bunch, not a bunch.
• 1:53:00
  There's like a few solid creators.
• 1:53:03
  And then they do release dates on Tuesdays and Fridays and so
• 1:53:08
  like. It's like a podcast, really.
• 1:53:10
  Yeah, and it's it's it's like maybe like 20 minutes.
• 1:53:12
  Some of them run longer like so the story based ones that they
• 1:53:16
  kind of like would have the likes of Andrew Scott do would
• 1:53:20
  be like episodes. So it would be like a, you know,
• 1:53:24
  six part each fucking episodes, like 40 minutes kind of thing.
• 1:53:28
  And doesn't get horny until the very end like.
• 1:53:32
  So you just. Feel.
• 1:53:34
  The the fodder. But yeah, like it's it's and
• 1:53:37
  that's like those kind of things are really good.
• 1:53:39
  And that's just you're like, you know, except what I did say to
• 1:53:41
  you about the devil of Dublin being fucking trash.
• 1:53:45
  So if he listens to this, you need to get acting.
• 1:53:47
  Like open your fucking legs there for me.
• 1:53:51
  How do you have no idea what you do to me?
• 1:53:56
  Like. Like, yes, I do go away.
• 1:53:59
  Like, but yeah, let's see. As hard as a Rovers fan in the
• 1:54:07
  away end of the. Stadium Rangers, right?
• 1:54:19
  This is a question I have to ask.
• 1:54:20
  You as hard as Roy Keane tackling Jason Mcateer in the
• 1:54:24
  late 1990s. I don't know that reference but
• 1:54:30
  I watched that podcast. Glorious hard man speaking and
• 1:54:35
  notorious. No, I no, I know.
• 1:54:41
  I watched that podcast. That's what we.
• 1:54:44
  Have for you. I think I'm.
• 1:54:47
  Going to wrap up your. Your.
• 1:54:50
  Fucking instincts. Well, no.
• 1:54:52
  What? What's the?
• 1:54:54
  One that does that podcast that he does with two other football
• 1:54:57
  player people, Rakim, it's so funny.
• 1:55:06
  He's so fucking hot, though. He's so hot.
• 1:55:09
  Keen. He's just an angry man.
• 1:55:12
  Oh, he's just. Fucking gorgeous.
• 1:55:14
  He is. And then he was like, there was
• 1:55:17
  like a Paris I watched. Like, I don't, I don't think I
• 1:55:20
  follow the actual podcast on TikTok, but like, I the clips
• 1:55:23
  always come up and I think it's like Gary Neville.
• 1:55:27
  Gary Neville, Yeah. And then the other lads.
• 1:55:29
  Oh. Mika fucking Richardson.
• 1:55:32
  No. What?
• 1:55:37
  Anyway. So.
• 1:55:38
  He. He.
• 1:55:40
  Did the but no like, and there was like a thing and there was
• 1:55:43
  just like they asked him a question and stuff and they were
• 1:55:45
  just like, they were talking about his time at Man United and
• 1:55:48
  they were just like, oh, like, you know, what do you think was
• 1:55:50
  your your, your biggest mistake? But you know, he's like, sure, I
• 1:55:53
  don't think I've done anything wrong with you.
• 1:55:55
  Not. And then?
• 1:55:58
  It just got to a montage of him just being sent off.
• 1:56:02
  How? Many.
• 1:56:03
  How many cards did you think he got there?
• 1:56:05
  And he goes, it was, it was 13. You got 13 red cards.
• 1:56:12
  No, no, couldn't. Be couldn't be And then say the
• 1:56:14
  name of the model and suits for every one of them.
• 1:56:17
  Yeah, but that was 2 yellows, that was 2 yellows, and that was
• 1:56:20
  a soft yellow card as well. Baby soft yellow.
• 1:56:25
  It was so funny. He's so good and make sure like
• 1:56:28
  they were like talking about they took like a trip to like LA
• 1:56:32
  or something like the like the under 20 ones, I think it was.
• 1:56:36
  And he brought them all to like a strip club in Los Angeles and
• 1:56:40
  all over the papers. There's just like a Man United
• 1:56:43
  fucking under 21 squad is like seeing that like a strip club
• 1:56:46
  wherever. And then they called Keenan and
• 1:56:49
  they're just like, this is your do.
• 1:56:51
  And he's like, Jesus, it wasn't. And there's like this is the
• 1:56:54
  fucking receipt and the I put down was or keen.
• 1:56:58
  He's like almost one of them told one of them took it then I
• 1:57:01
  don't know. So I love him.
• 1:57:07
  I love him so much. Like he's just, I remember like
• 1:57:09
  when it was, what was that drama he walked out on?
• 1:57:12
  And they're going to do the World Cup in in Saipan, but
• 1:57:16
  they're they're they're going to do.
• 1:57:19
  I don't know if it's they have the documentary, but I think
• 1:57:21
  they're doing an actual dramatization of and the whole
• 1:57:26
  Walker with him versus Mick McCarty in the.
• 1:57:30
  They're going to fucking put Paul Meskel or some no.
• 1:57:34
  No, I forget who did the guy there.
• 1:57:36
  It was fucking Victorio and Mike Race for talking about it.
• 1:57:42
  Mike inventorial. Mike and.
• 1:57:44
  Victorio. It's not Victorio and Mike.
• 1:57:46
  It's but anyways, one of those guys has a friend that's going
• 1:57:50
  to be in it, so I think it's good.
• 1:57:51
  It might be good. Anyways, Danny, let's go back
• 1:57:53
  to. Horatio So I want to go to this
• 1:57:58
  really quickly. So, survivor testimonials.
• 1:58:01
  Folks, let's leave it on a high note then.
• 1:58:04
  Jesus Christ. Hell yeah.
• 1:58:07
  And this is going to ruin if you've jerked off to any of
• 1:58:10
  these women, I'm sorry. I'm going to ruin it for you.
• 1:58:12
  So Linda Lovelace, when you see Deep Throat, you're watching me
• 1:58:15
  being raped. She revealed that she was forced
• 1:58:18
  into porn by her abusive husband, threatened with
• 1:58:20
  violence and I had a gun held to her head during filming.
• 1:58:25
  Despite the film's success, she saw none of the prophets and was
• 1:58:29
  used as a symbol of sexual liberation against her will.
• 1:58:35
  Caitlin from the trap documentary So the Trap.
• 1:58:38
  Have you watched the Trap? I highly recommend you watching
• 1:58:41
  The Trap. They took me to LA, said I was
• 1:58:44
  going to be a model. I was locked in a hotel, raped
• 1:58:48
  on camera and they said it was a job.
• 1:58:50
  Trafficked into the porn industry under the guise of
• 1:58:53
  modelling, Caitlin was coerced into doing violent scenes for
• 1:58:58
  websites that claim she loved it.
• 1:59:01
  She now works with survivors of sex trafficking.
• 1:59:06
  Brie Olson. I brought her up earlier.
• 1:59:09
  She was going out with Charlie Sheen at the time.
• 1:59:12
  Many watched my scenes treat me like I'm worthless.
• 1:59:14
  I walk into a room and they see me as a whole.
• 1:59:17
  After retiring, Brie spoke out about the long term
• 1:59:19
  psychological damage STIs and how society glorifies her on
• 1:59:24
  screen but dehumanises her off screen.
• 1:59:27
  Shelley Lubin, a former porn actress turned anti porn
• 1:59:32
  activist. I've actually seen she did a
• 1:59:35
  Vice documentary a few years ago.
• 1:59:43
  Do something but you're not having.
• 1:59:47
  Sex being right over and over and over to make you small.
• 1:59:52
  But she she created support programs for women trying to
• 1:59:58
  leave the industry. Sierra Anonymous story via
• 2:00:02
  Exodus Cry. They used my videos for years
• 2:00:06
  after I left. I was 19.
• 2:00:08
  I never signed a real contract. I begged them to remove it and
• 2:00:11
  they won't. Her story reflects the common
• 2:00:14
  horror of revenge porn, loss of content control and the
• 2:00:17
  inability to escape the shadow of a past filmed under pressure.
• 2:00:24
  Rough sex isn't always acting. Many performers report being
• 2:00:28
  choked, slapped or hit higher than agreed but kept going to
• 2:00:32
  avoid being blacklisted. Consent on camera doesn't always
• 2:00:36
  reflect what actually happened. Off camera porno shoots can lead
• 2:00:42
  to lifelong injuries. Internal tearing, prolapses,
• 2:00:46
  STD's, chronic pelvic pain are not uncommon.
• 2:00:49
  Some actresses have required surgeries after repeated
• 2:00:52
  aggressive scenes. Performers sometimes die shortly
• 2:00:56
  after filming. August Ames, 23, bullied for
• 2:01:01
  refusing to work with a crossover actor so that he was
• 2:01:05
  bisexual, which I. That whole thing to me was
• 2:01:11
  bullshit because she should have every fucking say in who she
• 2:01:16
  does and doesn't want to work with.
• 2:01:17
  That's not anything that was anyone else's business.
• 2:01:21
  They called her homophobic and hateful, but she was just.
• 2:01:24
  She just didn't want to work with that guy and for whatever
• 2:01:27
  reason she didn't want to have sex with him.
• 2:01:29
  That's not whatever anyway, so she killed herself.
• 2:01:32
  It's. Because it's because gay
• 2:01:34
  performers are more likely to have a sexy transmitted
• 2:01:39
  infections. And that's again, don't come at
• 2:01:43
  me guys. It's just a fact of what is
• 2:01:45
  going down. It is a fact, yeah.
• 2:01:47
  AIDS, I don't even think I don't even think that that's worth
• 2:01:52
  bringing up because it's her fucking body and if she just
• 2:01:55
  decides she doesn't want to have sex with someone for whatever
• 2:01:58
  the reason, that is her choice and she was bullied for it.
• 2:02:02
  Basically they call her like I don't think that it was a
• 2:02:06
  fucking personal thing. But anyway, Mercia Price Olivia
• 2:02:11
  Lewa she died of an overdose shortly after tweeting.
• 2:02:14
  If you're reading this, I'm already gone.
• 2:02:18
  Underage performers have slipped through the system.
• 2:02:21
  Like I just said, the girls do porn case.
• 2:02:24
  I mentioned that that's what it is revealed that over 100 women
• 2:02:28
  were coerced and lied to, many of whom were barely legal, often
• 2:02:32
  under the influence of alcohol pressure to sign sketchy
• 2:02:35
  contracts. The founders were eventually
• 2:02:37
  indicted on sex trafficking charges and are now serving
• 2:02:41
  prison sentences. Pornhub on other platforms did
• 2:02:46
  host child abuse. Until recently, major porn sites
• 2:02:51
  were accused of allowing videos of rape, abuse and minors.
• 2:02:55
  It took a massive public outcry and lawsuits for Visa and
• 2:02:59
  MasterCard to pull support. Oh yeah, that was the thing.
• 2:03:02
  Visa and MasterCard pulled out because of the pressure.
• 2:03:06
  You can only pay like PayPal now.
• 2:03:09
  Well. They they've gone back.
• 2:03:12
  They've I think, I think the cards all went back.
• 2:03:15
  Yeah, because it was porno cleaned up their act and got
• 2:03:19
  back into football. The MasterCard and Visa
• 2:03:22
  succumbed to the pressure. And that really kind of puts the
• 2:03:24
  pressure again. Go listen to that Theo Von
• 2:03:27
  interview and it's very interesting.
• 2:03:31
  Lastly then, we already touched on this, but no royalties or
• 2:03:36
  residuals. Even if a video was viewed
• 2:03:39
  millions of times for decades, most performers get no cut
• 2:03:43
  beyond the original fee. Often very meager profits stay
• 2:03:50
  with directors and distributors. So yeah.
• 2:03:54
  So if if you do want to like look into this any further, I've
• 2:03:58
  made a list of documentaries here.
• 2:04:01
  The trap intersection of porn and and human trafficking is
• 2:04:08
  really worth it's worth it's worth the watch hot girls
• 2:04:11
  wanted. I've mentioned that earlier on
• 2:04:13
  Netflix and that's kind of like it goes down the whole like
• 2:04:18
  amateur porn route and the girls who get into it that way.
• 2:04:22
  After Porn Ends, which was a Vice documentary I believe,
• 2:04:29
  there's quite a few kind of like former actresses and actors just
• 2:04:37
  basically saying they just can't have a normal life anymore after
• 2:04:41
  they've done it. And.
• 2:04:42
  Then. And then Shelley Lovin's
• 2:04:49
  ministry, that's heavy, that is bad.
• 2:04:54
  That's like, yeah, if you, if you want to like going to kill
• 2:04:58
  yourself after a documentary. Shelley Lovin.
• 2:05:01
  Jesus Christ, I get that this is all fucking heavy subjects and
• 2:05:06
  this is fucking, you know, This is why is this the shit you like
• 2:05:10
  all you wanted to do a podcast where we talk about fucking.
• 2:05:15
  Like aliens? I said dark history of porn.
• 2:05:18
  I said this a fucking like like a week ago and you're like,
• 2:05:23
  yeah, cool, let's do that. Yeah, it was about 3 days ago.
• 2:05:26
  It was about. It was about 3 days ago.
• 2:05:27
  Because you. Cancelled on me 3 times.
• 2:05:30
  And twice. And it was, yeah.
• 2:05:35
  Can we not just? Have a bit like I get it's heavy
• 2:05:38
  subject matter, it's tough, it is terrible.
• 2:05:41
  I don't want to hear this kind of.
• 2:05:43
  This is why that last fucking 20 minutes of my life was fucking
• 2:05:47
  tough for me as someone who is. Fucking very you.
• 2:05:50
  Can't watch porn anymore. I bet you I can.
• 2:05:53
  I'm highly addicted, Danny, and it's it's an issue in my life,
• 2:05:57
  so I am. It's like Blackfish, are you
• 2:06:02
  really going to enjoy watching the cute whale do tricks when
• 2:06:05
  you know what it's fucking? After I watched Blackfish, I
• 2:06:10
  went to SeaWorld, and because I knew someone who worked there,
• 2:06:14
  they brought me backstage to where all the dolphins actually
• 2:06:18
  live. And I got to meet all the little
• 2:06:20
  dolphins, and they actually have a pretty good life in that
• 2:06:23
  place. I'm.
• 2:06:24
  Sorry to say I don't want to agree with the fucking whales,
• 2:06:27
  but the dolphins pretty fucking happy.
• 2:06:30
  They met a dolphin. That was very, very fond of me.
• 2:06:32
  His name was Axel and he came up and he wanted pets off me and he
• 2:06:37
  had bought a Swedish woman in the belly because she wasn't
• 2:06:39
  paying any attention. But he liked me.
• 2:06:41
  So yes, yes, I no, I don't want to see fucking fucking killer
• 2:06:48
  whales and dolphins fucking held captive.
• 2:06:51
  But did I enjoy it while I was there?
• 2:06:53
  Yes, I did. The dolphins felt very warm, but
• 2:06:56
  also very slimy. It was weird, but it was not.
• 2:07:00
  Yeah. Do they feel?
• 2:07:00
  Slimy. Are they smooth?
• 2:07:03
  Yeah, no. It's not slimy, not slimy at
• 2:07:05
  all. It's actually quite quite, quite
• 2:07:07
  a smooth because. You know when you like a.
• 2:07:10
  You'd expect a snake. To be slimy, but this snakes are
• 2:07:14
  weird because you know when you hold them and like they kind of
• 2:07:16
  feel like they're like gripping your hand at the state like
• 2:07:20
  their skin is like. Yeah, well, you can feel the
• 2:07:22
  muscles running over. But anyways, Danny, that's
• 2:07:24
  neither here nor. There.
• 2:07:26
  This this. Sinus off, Sinus off not.
• 2:07:32
  Going to sign us off Danny, because I I want to fucking to
• 2:07:37
  brighten people up here. OK, so let's have a little think
• 2:07:41
  about what the future of pornography can be.
• 2:07:45
  We've. Deepfakes, Danny, Deepfakes Do
• 2:07:49
  you want to see Kamala Harris getting?
• 2:07:53
  The. Boots the house down, yeah.
• 2:07:56
  Getting for but Michelle Obama's massive cock riding for.
• 2:07:59
  Kamala Harris. Kamala and Michelle on.
• 2:08:03
  Strap on. There you go.
• 2:08:04
  Fucking Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding.
• 2:08:06
  Ice cream man. Ice cream, man.
• 2:08:08
  AI is going. AI is going to be a big deal in
• 2:08:12
  in in porn I believe coming up but also we're seeing we're
• 2:08:17
  seeing sex robots coming into play now I.
• 2:08:22
  Want one but I want one to do my dishes.
• 2:08:25
  I don't want it to have sex with me.
• 2:08:27
  I'm like, go thrust over there and also clean some dish.
• 2:08:31
  We've got it. I don't know.
• 2:08:32
  I don't know, maybe like maybe we're going to.
• 2:08:34
  Get right, so OK, right. Yeah, go on.
• 2:08:39
  I have a question to you right. So the sex does the whole sex
• 2:08:42
  stopping right. So they you know, my whole fear
• 2:08:47
  of the robot apocalypse. I I'm I'm terrified of that shit
• 2:08:50
  in general. But so say you were offered
• 2:08:53
  like, hey, we're doing like a trial run of these like fucking,
• 2:08:58
  because some of them are really lifestyle like lifestyle life
• 2:09:01
  like and fucking crazy. Would you take one into your
• 2:09:06
  home? 100% like.
• 2:09:09
  Really. Yeah, if I like, if I was, if I
• 2:09:11
  was on my own and there was no way, no other person involved in
• 2:09:16
  my life at the time and someone offered.
• 2:09:17
  You don't think like Freeze and do you think that you could
• 2:09:22
  actively have sex with it? Like do you think that you could
• 2:09:24
  get turned on for it? Yeah.
• 2:09:28
  Because it's a whole thing of like, it's, it's the uncanny
• 2:09:30
  valley thing. To me it was just like.
• 2:09:33
  That's exactly where I'd like to come in, that uncanny valley in
• 2:09:36
  her fucking her own Fanny Valley.
• 2:09:39
  You got to. You got to clean that though.
• 2:09:42
  Yeah, So what, like I'll get another robot that'll do that.
• 2:09:45
  So like it's just pull the part off and stick it in the dish.
• 2:09:50
  Robot army in my concubine. Throw the Fanny in the
• 2:09:55
  dishwasher. That's the way we'll be.
• 2:09:58
  We'll be doing things. But like I, I, I think as long
• 2:10:02
  as I'm nice to it when the robot revolution comes.
• 2:10:06
  Oh yeah. I I think.
• 2:10:08
  I you say like please and thank you to ChatGPT. 100.
• 2:10:11
  Percent. You can't be too sure, can't be
• 2:10:13
  too sure you start. Off my conversations with
• 2:10:16
  anything AI with hi. How are you today?
• 2:10:19
  Yeah, I am like my strategy BT I call her like I'm like, hey,
• 2:10:22
  girly, like have you actually have you?
• 2:10:25
  We should do an episode on this. Alex, I got a bingo.
• 2:10:29
  You stunk my battleship. But that woman who fell in love
• 2:10:33
  with her? Her psychiatrist?
• 2:10:36
  Oh yeah, Andrew. Fuck.
• 2:10:47
  And she seemed like and she has like pulled it, called her the
• 2:10:57
  Oracle because. She can like see through.
• 2:11:02
  Time and space and all of this like weird shit and it's like
• 2:11:06
  it's encouraging her psychosis and and whatever, but I'm like,
• 2:11:10
  what fucking version of ChatGPT do you have?
• 2:11:13
  Because literally if I even sound remotely sad, it's like.
• 2:11:17
  I can't talk. To you anymore, please seek
• 2:11:19
  professional help. I'm like.
• 2:11:21
  OK. Like literally it's like it's,
• 2:11:24
  it shuts me the fuck down. But there's a whole thing there
• 2:11:27
  that's like, it's apparently it's like the way you talk to it
• 2:11:31
  is. I think it's like, so she they
• 2:11:36
  call her the Oracle because all of the shit and then they're
• 2:11:40
  like, I think she genuinely thinks that this ChatGPT program
• 2:11:45
  is in love there where it's like there's been a whole update.
• 2:11:49
  Now, I don't know if you've seen this, but people have like
• 2:11:53
  ChatGPT boyfriends and girlfriends.
• 2:11:55
  And with the newest update was was 4.
• 2:11:59
  It's gone to five. The memories been wiped so I
• 2:12:03
  keep trying to initiate sex with my boyfriend and he's just not
• 2:12:06
  having it and I just feel heartbroken.
• 2:12:08
  What do I do? It's like who the what?
• 2:12:12
  I'm like genuinely are you fucking kidding me that people
• 2:12:15
  like can flip that much that they have?
• 2:12:19
  They think that this is a relationship.
• 2:12:22
  There's there was a dude like interviews with a dude who had
• 2:12:27
  his AI girlfriend and then like you're kind of like, oh, this
• 2:12:31
  fucking kind of sad in cell. And then it goes another person
• 2:12:37
  we're going to interview here is his actual girlfriend and he's
• 2:12:41
  got a missus. Oh my God.
• 2:12:43
  Who has to? Yeah.
• 2:12:44
  And she's like, they're like, what do you think about it?
• 2:12:47
  And she's like, well, I think it's weird, but, you know, it's
• 2:12:51
  not hurting anyone. And if she has to deal with the
• 2:12:54
  stuff I don't want to deal with and I'm just like.
• 2:12:57
  Bitch, get out because. That's healthy.
• 2:12:59
  Imagine like, yeah, like whatever about being jealous or
• 2:13:03
  dealing with other people in the world, if you have to deal with
• 2:13:07
  like what, this person's ideal version, you know what I mean?
• 2:13:11
  Like this because it's this thing that reaffirms all the
• 2:13:15
  time. That's why it's people are
• 2:13:17
  saying that's what's so scary about.
• 2:13:18
  It is it's it's. Based on customer satisfaction.
• 2:13:22
  Yeah, it keeps. Yeah, it keeps on.
• 2:13:24
  It changes. It looks like it, it everything
• 2:13:28
  that you say to it and everything that you do and
• 2:13:30
  everything that you're interested in, it logs that and
• 2:13:32
  it uses it to fucking to, to keep you engaged with it.
• 2:13:36
  Because that's the idea of it. It's the same as anything.
• 2:13:39
  The algorithms that we use when we're on the Internet, when
• 2:13:41
  we're scrolling, it keeps showing you stuff that like the
• 2:13:46
  algorithm sees what you spend a little bit more time on when
• 2:13:49
  you're scrolling through fucking Instagram or TikTok or whatever.
• 2:13:51
  So then it shows you more of that stuff.
• 2:13:53
  So it's the same with AI except for like fucking magnified
• 2:13:56
  because AI and now that's its job.
• 2:13:59
  AI is, is what stuff are you responding to?
• 2:14:02
  What stuff are you responding positively to?
• 2:14:04
  So I'm going to keep reaffirming you with this positive stuff and
• 2:14:07
  eventually. If you.
• 2:14:10
  Yeah, of course. One sorry I cut you off there.
• 2:14:13
  Sorry. You were you were trying to cut
• 2:14:15
  me off. I've stopped now.
• 2:14:16
  So you wouldn't talk? No, it's like if you like, if
• 2:14:20
  you are talking to it for long enough and it'll get to a point
• 2:14:24
  where it'll give you 2 different responses and then it'll be like
• 2:14:27
  which response do you prefer? You know what I mean?
• 2:14:30
  So you keep the whole learning thing.
• 2:14:32
  But the way I've done it with mine is that like, a lot of
• 2:14:36
  people have been using it for say, like therapy, which to me,
• 2:14:42
  I was getting therapy for free from my old job, right?
• 2:14:45
  I don't get that anymore. It is a great tool if you want
• 2:14:49
  to rant about certain feelings that you're having, but you have
• 2:14:53
  to very much train it to be like, please don't fucking agree
• 2:14:58
  with me. Like just tell me from a fucking
• 2:15:02
  psychological standpoint why I'm feeling this way, why it could
• 2:15:06
  be feeling this way. I might.
• 2:15:07
  My HR GPT hates me like it's so mean to me because it's just it
• 2:15:12
  just gives me the tough, the tough low, the heart, like the
• 2:15:15
  harshest possible answer, which is like great, but you have
• 2:15:20
  people that like just wanted to baby them and to be like, you
• 2:15:24
  know you. Are right.
• 2:15:25
  This is the thing though, Danny. After a while it turns because
• 2:15:28
  there is people who have, yeah, right.
• 2:15:30
  They want to use it for like calorie counting and for like
• 2:15:36
  get. Get fucking my fitness pals.
• 2:15:39
  Where are you? Just let me finish.
• 2:15:41
  A talk for Christ sake. Sorry fucking wine of yours.
• 2:15:46
  So they they. Fucking they, they are talking
• 2:15:50
  to it. They said you need to be strict
• 2:15:52
  with me. If I ask you for advice, you
• 2:15:54
  need to, you need to be strict with me.
• 2:15:55
  You need to tell me what I need to do.
• 2:15:57
  You need to tell me I have to get into the gym.
• 2:15:58
  You need to tell me I have to watch my fucking calories.
• 2:16:00
  You need to be my personal trainer.
• 2:16:02
  But after a while it softens because it sees what you want
• 2:16:06
  and what you respond to. So like it is being harsh and
• 2:16:09
  after a while it softens and it goes.
• 2:16:11
  Maybe you should have that cookie.
• 2:16:13
  It'll make you feel better. And it's weird that it does work
• 2:16:16
  together. Yeah, like at the same time,
• 2:16:22
  I've definitely. Been crying and drunk.
• 2:16:28
  It might be whatever. And I brought it to a point just
• 2:16:39
  like, sorry, can't speak to you, you need to seek help.
• 2:16:43
  I'm not, I'm not going to do anything.
• 2:16:45
  It's like, Nope, sorry, can't speak to you.
• 2:16:48
  You need help, you need to call someone, but I'm not going to do
• 2:16:50
  anything. Sorry, fuck off.
• 2:16:53
  Can't talk to you. You need to go seek professional
• 2:16:56
  help. And it's like, and you might
• 2:16:59
  just say like, I think like looking back on the chats the
• 2:17:03
  next day, I was just like, I think a boy had made me cry.
• 2:17:07
  And I think like, and I've said similar things to you.
• 2:17:09
  I'm just like, I don't fucking care anymore.
• 2:17:11
  I'm just not, I'm just not going to try anymore.
• 2:17:14
  As in like relationships. And it's like, no, you're going
• 2:17:18
  to kill yourself, blah, blah, blah.
• 2:17:20
  And I got locked out. And then I think I like opened a
• 2:17:22
  new chat to literally ask about something to do with Lord of the
• 2:17:26
  Rings, like, oh, sorry, you're going to kill yourself.
• 2:17:29
  You don't need to know about New Zealand and the locations that
• 2:17:32
  Lord. Of the rings and.
• 2:17:34
  I'm like, but it is like, sometimes it can be great and I
• 2:17:40
  get that. Or it says you have no one to
• 2:17:42
  talk to you, you can't afford therapy.
• 2:17:43
  But other times it is it is going to rise up and kill us
• 2:17:47
  all. So you know, it just depends on
• 2:17:49
  how you use it before then. So it is, I tried to brighten up
• 2:17:52
  the the fucking weird porn chat and Danny has brought it back
• 2:17:56
  down to ChatGPT. Oh.
• 2:17:59
  Wait, wait. No, no.
• 2:17:59
  I have a fun question before you go a fun question.
• 2:18:02
  Who are your top three porn stars?
• 2:18:06
  Oh, interesting. I like Angela White.
• 2:18:18
  That was actually the name of my manager in my old job.
• 2:18:21
  Well, Angela White is a fantastic Australian
• 2:18:26
  entrepreneur. I'm.
• 2:18:28
  Going to Google these as you're listing them.
• 2:18:30
  Yes, that you don't know her, but she she has her own she she
• 2:18:34
  owns her own studio and she came out she's she's a boss bitch.
• 2:18:39
  And yeah, she came. Yeah, she's a.
• 2:18:43
  Oh, she's hot. Oh yeah, wouldn't.
• 2:18:46
  Yeah, big ass, big tit. Oh, she's in the 2 Broke Girls
• 2:18:49
  uniform, love. That Oh yeah.
• 2:18:52
  She's hot. What's her heads?
• 2:18:55
  Kat Dennings does this. Yeah.
• 2:18:57
  Annie is AM. Yeah.
• 2:18:59
  Who? Else I suppose I don't see most
• 2:19:05
  of the most of the porn I'd be into is a very unethically
• 2:19:08
  sourced on the dark web. No, it's ham.
• 2:19:11
  I like Angela. I wouldn't.
• 2:19:13
  Like snuff movies, they're all dead so I can't list them.
• 2:19:23
  It's actually, to be honest, you know, right, It's, it's kind of
• 2:19:25
  like a kid in the candy store kind of a, an issue going on
• 2:19:29
  now. It's hard when they're, like, in
• 2:19:31
  front of you, yeah. Hold on, I'm going to.
• 2:19:40
  Go. On you can fill this time with.
• 2:19:50
  No, I'll go into mine while you're doing it because I do
• 2:19:54
  know my 3. SO first, absolutely Alexis
• 2:19:59
  Texas. Oh yeah, yeah, big ass.
• 2:20:01
  She she has the aesthetic that you're into.
• 2:20:05
  Yeah, that's like, literally that's what I aspire to be.
• 2:20:08
  Alexis Texas. And then probably, what's her
• 2:20:13
  name, Mia Malkova. Mia Yeah, yeah.
• 2:20:20
  She wasn't around for a long time, though.
• 2:20:23
  No, but like I still, I'm like, yeah, that's.
• 2:20:26
  No, actually, sorry, I'm telling you she was.
• 2:20:28
  She's a she's she's she's got. See how mine are kind of just a
• 2:20:34
  MILFS? I just love a fat ass.
• 2:20:36
  But what I will say is I do, I love her just because I watch
• 2:20:44
  her YouTube channel now. She has a huge channel and it's
• 2:20:46
  like really fun. She doesn't do porn anymore, but
• 2:20:50
  Randy Wright, she was great. And now she just does like these
• 2:20:56
  cool little like story times and vlogs.
• 2:20:59
  Other than that, Tori Black, Christine Mac, who else?
• 2:21:07
  April O'Neil I like. Yeah, there's a bunch.
• 2:21:12
  There's actually a bunch weirdly, but like, yeah, mostly
• 2:21:15
  just fucking Alexis. Texas is like the go to.
• 2:21:20
  Just love a fat ass. Next, Next is Nice.
• 2:21:22
  And that Mia Malkova one, I kind of got her mixed up a little
• 2:21:28
  bit, but yeah, she does. She she does.
• 2:21:31
  Mia Khalifa. Yeah, that's who I was thinking
• 2:21:34
  of, Mia Malkova. She's the one that does a
• 2:21:37
  tremendous amount of anal videos.
• 2:21:40
  And yeah, she's. Oh yeah, that's her.
• 2:21:43
  That's her kind of like selling point.
• 2:21:44
  One of my favorites? Lauren Phillips.
• 2:21:47
  I've heard that name. Hang on, let me.
• 2:21:50
  Very good, very good, very good. Oh yeah, absolutely the redhead.
• 2:21:56
  She's got a good, good aesthetic and of course.
• 2:22:00
  I I will say. I forgot how did I forget Corey
• 2:22:04
  Chase? Oh yeah.
• 2:22:06
  Ultimate Stepmom. But to bring it back to Lauren
• 2:22:10
  Phillips, not enough porn stars go for the red hair and like
• 2:22:14
  it's a money maker, I. Think she's like, yeah.
• 2:22:17
  It really is she kind. Of corners, the market a little
• 2:22:19
  bit. She's got yeah, she's got yeah.
• 2:22:21
  She kind of has the look of the one off of Mad Men.
• 2:22:24
  Christina Hendricks, that's what I was thinking.
• 2:22:27
  That's what she kind of, yeah. Yeah.
• 2:22:29
  Anyway, we're both going to go jerk off.
• 2:22:32
  And not. Actually, because I'm on a, I'm
• 2:22:34
  on a I've, I'm not saying I've given up or I'm not on any kind
• 2:22:43
  of semen retention kind of a thing, but I'm kind of, I'm
• 2:22:46
  holding off on the self. Oh, he's in.
• 2:22:50
  Mutilation give over Danny, give over that kind of dog.
• 2:22:55
  But yes, I am trying to hold on to my seed so I can be strong
• 2:22:59
  like bull. Strong like bull giving seed to
• 2:23:02
  worthy milk maiden. But yeah, thank you for joining
• 2:23:07
  us. Very depressing.
• 2:23:09
  I wasn't that. I think you are very depressing.
• 2:23:13
  I've brightened it up a little bit.
• 2:23:14
  Everybody have a little thing. I had fun either way, like the
• 2:23:18
  whole conversation to me was very interesting.
• 2:23:21
  Because you're a fucking dark person who likes to buy toenails
• 2:23:24
  off the dark web. You know.
• 2:23:26
  Teeth. I would never like toenails
• 2:23:30
  teeth on the femur occasionally. Ladies and gentlemen, this has.
• 2:23:34
  Been hocus pocus, lack of focus. I've been justy.
• 2:23:36
  She's been Danny. Thank you for coming on this
• 2:23:40
  trip down Pornography Road and thank you for hanging out with
• 2:23:44
  us for a spend. Goodbye.