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Total Dramarama · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with her radio. Welcome to another episode of the Almost
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  Speaker 1: Famous Podcast. We're back with another week to break down
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  Speaker 1: this beautiful season of the Bachelort with my wonderful co host,
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  Speaker 1: Ashley I Connettie. You're so sweet, Ben. Hey, you were
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  Speaker 1: in my uh stomping grounds the other this weekend and
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know. But then again, I made a last trip, minute,
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  Speaker 1: last minute trip home, So if I had known, if
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  Speaker 1: you had known, we would have seen each other the
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  Speaker 1: first time in a long time. But how long were
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  Speaker 1: you in d C for? And what did you guys do?
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  Speaker 1: That's been awesome. I love to see you. So this
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  Speaker 1: weekend was my wonderful fiance Jessica Clark soon to be
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  Speaker 1: Jessica Higgins. It was her birthday and her best friends
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  Speaker 1: husband h works in d C. And then her other
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  Speaker 1: best friend and her husband flew into d C. So
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  Speaker 1: we spent a weekend together as couples hanging out. Uh
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  Speaker 1: we here the quick rundown is. We biked all across
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  Speaker 1: washingt d C. We went to the Arlington Cemetery, which
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  Speaker 1: was absolutely incredible for many reasons. Then we went to
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  Speaker 1: a Washington Nationals baseball game. We bought tickets. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: had Jessica's friends biased tickets. Guess where we sat, like
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  Speaker 1: behind home plate? No, no, no, she bought tickets. She
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  Speaker 1: was like, it's a baseball game. We're just saying I
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  Speaker 1: have a good time. She bought the highest tickets in
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  Speaker 1: the stadium. We literally sat on the fence, like on
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  Speaker 1: the top row, like we were up against it, which
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  Speaker 1: was awesome. Um, well, I hope you had a big
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  Speaker 1: Ben's Chili Bowl hot dog while you were there. We didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't convince anybody that's the whole reason of going
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  Speaker 1: to that stadium. Is it close? No, it's in there's
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  Speaker 1: one in the stadium. Oh well, I read. I'm really
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  Speaker 1: big into going places where like presidents of the past
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  Speaker 1: have gone. Um. We went to an oyster house right
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  Speaker 1: by the White House that like a ton of presidents
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  Speaker 1: used to just like sit at and belly up at
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  Speaker 1: and have drinks at. So like I wish I would
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  Speaker 1: have because I saw that Ben's Chili Bowl there is
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  Speaker 1: a place that like most presidents go to at some time. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but it was awesome. We had a we had a
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  Speaker 1: really cool experience and you know, here's the takeaway to
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  Speaker 1: end this thought. It's a great couple's trip. It was
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  Speaker 1: nice to be out again. Um, and Jessica said something
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  Speaker 1: to me yesterday on the fly home. I said, what
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  Speaker 1: was your highlight? And uh, she said, my highlight from
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  Speaker 1: this trip was not only the experience, which is it
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  Speaker 1: was a blessing that all three of like her two
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  Speaker 1: best friends since she was like tiny, tiny tiny, all
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  Speaker 1: of the husbands get along so well because I really do,
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  Speaker 1: I really like these guys, like I enjoy hanging out
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  Speaker 1: with them. I'm excited to see him. She said that
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  Speaker 1: was just like the best birthday gifts she could get.
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  Speaker 1: It was like to see all of her see her
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  Speaker 1: two best friends, husband's getting along with me and me
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  Speaker 1: get along with him and has having fun together, which
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  Speaker 1: I thought was super sweet. So sweet. Nice. So what
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  Speaker 1: about you? What was your weekend? Like? Um, not much?
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  Speaker 1: You know, yesterday was Father's Day. My dad said it
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  Speaker 1: was one of his favorite Fallow's Day that he remembers,
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  Speaker 1: which is really sweet. But I don't really know. I
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  Speaker 1: don't really know why. My sister and I went to
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  Speaker 1: the Expo Center with him, and then we went to
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  Speaker 1: Morton's for dinner. And he took a nap, he did
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  Speaker 1: some lawn work. He says, it's the best Father's Day
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  Speaker 1: he had in a while. That sounds like the perfect
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  Speaker 1: day to have my two wonderful daughters. Morton's a nap,
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  Speaker 1: some of lawn work. It was Father's Day, and Father's
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  Speaker 1: Day is always interesting and this is always good moment
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  Speaker 1: that Ashley and I wanted to bring up. Father's Day.
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  Speaker 1: Such an incredible day for so many reasons, but it's
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  Speaker 1: also such a tough day for so many reasons. Um
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  Speaker 1: that you know, even going back to like the Bachelorette
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  Speaker 1: we saw last week on the episode, like people talking
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  Speaker 1: about the loss of a father that you know, the
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  Speaker 1: transitions of seeing father's age and my dad. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if I ever talked about it, but this is
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  Speaker 1: a special Father's Day for me because a month ago
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  Speaker 1: he had emergency heart surgery again and um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: blockage in the heart. Uh, he know, any moment and
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  Speaker 1: so like now last week he came out to Denver.
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  Speaker 1: We played in a father's son golf tournament together. Um,
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  Speaker 1: which was something he was like and even after surgery,
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  Speaker 1: the day after surgery goes, I'm gonna get better, So
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  Speaker 1: I can come play golf with you, um, and like
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  Speaker 1: that moment itself especial, and I know that's not always
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  Speaker 1: going to be able to be the case for us.
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  Speaker 1: And so just a moment for all those people who
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  Speaker 1: have lost fathers or maybe have don't have their relationship
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  Speaker 1: with their father they desire. I know Father's Day is difficult,
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  Speaker 1: but it is still, um, you know, an incredible day
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  Speaker 1: to celebrate those who are in are in our life
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  Speaker 1: or have been father figures to us. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's a special day. I enjoy those days where we
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  Speaker 1: can recognize the people closest to us. I agree, um,
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  Speaker 1: Follower's Day is always overshadowed by Mother's Day. You know,
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  Speaker 1: come on, they're both as important they are they are. Well, yeah, actually,
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  Speaker 1: we have a big episode ahead of us today. Tell
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  Speaker 1: everybody about it. Well we haven't. Jen Scheft one of
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  Speaker 1: the first bachelorettes. I believe she's the third bachelorette on
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  Speaker 1: the podcast today. We're going to actually be catching up
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  Speaker 1: with past bachelorettes every week. That's are one of our
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  Speaker 1: new themes. So over the next couple of weeks, expect
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  Speaker 1: to see some, um, some bachelorettes that you either see
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  Speaker 1: out and about a lot or some that have settled
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  Speaker 1: into suburban mom life like Jen has. She even has
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  Speaker 1: a podcast about it called From the Bachelor to the Bourbs. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll be talking to her about that and about
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  Speaker 1: the difference between it being being the bachelortte back then
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  Speaker 1: to the early two thousands versus now, and we'll be
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  Speaker 1: recapping the episode with her as well. Should we ask
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  Speaker 1: her if she's on the text thread? Oh yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure she is, Okay, jin Chef on the text that
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna talk to her. That's a big deal, all right. Well,
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  Speaker 1: actually we have her on the phone right after this
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  Speaker 1: I did? I mean just because I was I just
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I got married when I was a little
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  Speaker 1: That's how I feel about mine. I was always the
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  Speaker 1: girl who was like, oh, I can't wait to change
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  Speaker 1: my name, and then when I got married or even
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  Speaker 1: like the couple like beer or so leading up to it,
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  Speaker 1: I know it's hard my last You know, I'm a
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  Speaker 1: Jen or Jennifer, which there are a million of those
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  Speaker 1: in my group, my age group. I was always known
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  Speaker 1: by my last name too, so it was hard to
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  Speaker 1: give that up. Alright, well, you became the third Bachelorette
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  Speaker 1: after your relationship with Andrew Firestone ended. Yes, How do
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  Speaker 1: you feel like the franchise, like The Bachelorette has changed since?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think it's harder for girls now than it
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  Speaker 1: was to be the lead? I don't know if it's harder. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's just as much as the show is different,
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  Speaker 1: it's still so much the same. I mean, it's who's
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  Speaker 1: there for the right reason? Do they know you? Do
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  Speaker 1: they want to be with you? Um? I mean just
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  Speaker 1: watching you know this last the season with Katie too,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, you know, so much has changed, like we went.
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  Speaker 1: I mean when I was on the Bachelor, we did
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  Speaker 1: it in l A. And then I did The Bachelorette
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  Speaker 1: and that was filmed in New York City, which was
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  Speaker 1: very cool. But now you guys travel I'm now with COVID.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of slown down. But I missed all of
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  Speaker 1: the like world traveling, so I didn't get that. But
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  Speaker 1: I think, um, it's hard. I think it's always just
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  Speaker 1: hard for the lead to figure things out because you
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  Speaker 1: get this amazing opportunity to be the one to do
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  Speaker 1: the choosing yourself, and then you don't realize how stressful
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  Speaker 1: and maybe scary it really is. You. Uh, It's it's
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  Speaker 1: always interesting to me going back in time. Was it
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  Speaker 1: a huge deal when you were announced and then people
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  Speaker 1: because more people back then actually watched the show? I
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  Speaker 1: mean it was, it was. It was very true. So
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  Speaker 1: would you go around and be recognized and then when
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  Speaker 1: you got announced it people like kind of getting like
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  Speaker 1: freak out and get excited. Yeah, it was. I mean
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  Speaker 1: I obviously I had to go and I filmed the show,
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  Speaker 1: recorded the show and all that and went how to
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  Speaker 1: go back to work and you know, be normal for
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  Speaker 1: a while. But then when it was announced, it felt
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  Speaker 1: like it was huge. And um yeah, I mean even
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  Speaker 1: back then, I know, we didn't have social media the
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  Speaker 1: same way, but it was still huge. I mean us
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  Speaker 1: Weekly every week, um As Weekly, Star Magazine, in Touch,
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  Speaker 1: you know all the magazines. We were part of those
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  Speaker 1: magazines like every single week, And that was very overwhelming
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  Speaker 1: too because we were It was still so new that
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  Speaker 1: when I did The Bachelor, I just wasn't aware that
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  Speaker 1: how many people actually watched the show. Yeah, did I
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  Speaker 1: answer your question or did I go off on like
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  Speaker 1: a weird So you did. It's it's kind of similar too.
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  Speaker 1: We were, you know, Ashley and I were right in
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  Speaker 1: the fringe of the social media movement, and so we
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  Speaker 1: always talk on here about it wasn't I mean, And
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk about it later on the podcast about the
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  Speaker 1: here for the right reasons, I want to build a
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  Speaker 1: platform idea and what all that meant. But when even
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  Speaker 1: when Ashley and I did it, you know, five and
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  Speaker 1: six years ago, social media was just becoming a thing,
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  Speaker 1: and so you didn't really even consider building a platform
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  Speaker 1: or did you know how many people engaged in the show,
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  Speaker 1: And so now I think it's a whole new beast
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  Speaker 1: that people can relate with in a different way. So no,
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  Speaker 1: you definitely answered it. Yeah, so yeah, so without the
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  Speaker 1: social you know, with the without social media, people actually
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  Speaker 1: really did go on just to see what happened. Because
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  Speaker 1: you didn't, we didn't know that we could you know,
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  Speaker 1: be famous or make something out of ourselves after it. Besides,
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  Speaker 1: you know, being a reality star. Well now you you
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  Speaker 1: describe yourself as a forty four year old suburban wife,
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  Speaker 1: and mom of two. You have two girls, May and Charlotte,
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  Speaker 1: and you're living in Hudson, Ohio after you told us
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  Speaker 1: you were in Chicago for years. So what's it like
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  Speaker 1: having to go from you know, you're at the bachelorette
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  Speaker 1: one day, living in a big city to now you're
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  Speaker 1: the suburban mom. You know, it was a gradual transition.
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  Speaker 1: So so you know, it was right after I did
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  Speaker 1: the Bachelorette. I don't I don't know if everybody that's
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  Speaker 1: listening knows, but I did not choose anybody, and or
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  Speaker 1: I did choose Jerry. With them, we didn't end up together,
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  Speaker 1: and it was like the world hated me, or the
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor world hated me. So I was like, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go back. I just want to be
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  Speaker 1: normal again. You know, I didn't I didn't know what
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  Speaker 1: the Bachelor of the Bachelor I would bring to me.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, Okay, that was fun for a while,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm sick of hearing how terrible I am and
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  Speaker 1: horrible I am to everybody else. So I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 1: go back sort of be a normal person. Um. So
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  Speaker 1: then I got a regular job, I met my husband,
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  Speaker 1: I had two kids, so it was sort of you know,
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  Speaker 1: and now I have a ten year old, so, um,
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  Speaker 1: she's almost eleven, which is crazy. So I've been doing
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  Speaker 1: the mom thing for a very long time. UM, so
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  Speaker 1: you know, it was I was definitely an adjustment to
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  Speaker 1: go back to be being you know, very famous for
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  Speaker 1: you know, a short amount of time to just a
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  Speaker 1: regular person. But I think now people that I know
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  Speaker 1: and in my store, girl in my orbit treat me
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  Speaker 1: like a normal person. So how did you meet your husband?
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  Speaker 1: We actually met on a blind date. Um. I was
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  Speaker 1: set up on a blind date with this four year
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  Speaker 1: old and I was thirty one at the time, and
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  Speaker 1: it was that's who I married. UM. But he you know,
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  Speaker 1: it didn't work out obviously for obvious reasons. But this guy,
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  Speaker 1: UM actually called me and told me that he had
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  Speaker 1: a really great guy that he wanted to set me
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  Speaker 1: up with, who turned out to be my husband, Joe.
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  Speaker 1: No way. It's just super embarrassing because you're like, I mean, literally,
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  Speaker 1: I I got the twenty four year olds not calling
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  Speaker 1: me back, but he's got another guy. I think it
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  Speaker 1: was like the only guy you maybe knew at that
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  Speaker 1: point that was like over thirty. Um. So He's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta, you know, pick them up. So it worked. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: that's cool. Such destiny who knows? And here we are.
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  Speaker 1: It's been twelve years. So the life now because you
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  Speaker 1: have a podcasts as we mentioned, Uh, it's it's an
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  Speaker 1: incredible podcast that I think actually has a lot of
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  Speaker 1: meaning behind kind of the title. And the title is
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  Speaker 1: from the Bachelor to the Bourbs. So you in this
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  Speaker 1: title even a referencing like an identity switch, a change
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  Speaker 1: of seasons for you. So what has being a mom
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  Speaker 1: uh you know now living in the suburbs, which hasn't
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  Speaker 1: happened for that long? Like what does that felt like
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  Speaker 1: to you? Well, you know what, It's funny. I when
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  Speaker 1: we mapped here from Chica, So I was in Chicago
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  Speaker 1: for twenty years, but like for eight years then we
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  Speaker 1: had moved out to the suburb. So I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I've been like a suburban mom now for like almost
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  Speaker 1: ten years now. So so three years ago we moved
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  Speaker 1: to Hudson, Ohio. So that was a big move because
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  Speaker 1: I was still used to like a big city. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're a small town. We love our little neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: We have a little pool in our neighborhood. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just just a regular mom and I've got two girls.
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  Speaker 1: I do have a regular job to I work in
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  Speaker 1: a med spa. Um. So yeah, so different from my life,
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  Speaker 1: uh fifteen years ago, but I wouldn't trade it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is you know, you go on The Bachelor to
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  Speaker 1: me love and find somebody and get married. And I
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  Speaker 1: didn't find that on the Bachelor, but I found it
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  Speaker 1: was somebody else. And so I'm still my life turned
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  Speaker 1: out exactly as I hoped it would, which was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: despite the Bachelor, Bachelor, maybe despite but even with all
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  Speaker 1: of that, it's still worked out, thankfully. You said that
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  Speaker 1: one of your girls is almost eleven, which means she's
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  Speaker 1: probably pretty aware of just the Bachelor franchise. How does
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  Speaker 1: she fee that her mom was once the Bachelorette? Um?
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  Speaker 1: You know, so I you know, she's seen like a
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  Speaker 1: couple snippets here and there. But they both love it.
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  Speaker 1: They think it's so fun. I mean but they like,
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  Speaker 1: I showed them The Bachelorette a little bit of it
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  Speaker 1: today just because I was like prepping for this this podcast,
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  Speaker 1: and they're like, oh mom, this is like total drama. Rama.
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  Speaker 1: It's like TV show that they've watched where they've seen this,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm like, no, actually total drama rama. What you
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  Speaker 1: saw in there was like The Bachelor, So it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of funny. So they're getting the pop culture references without
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  Speaker 1: even realizing, like that their mom did that, so it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of Funnylius. Do they know Wait, do they know
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  Speaker 1: you've done it? Yes, they know I've done it. Um. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So they talk, but they just don't really get it yet.
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  Speaker 1: They don't really get what that means. So they understand
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  Speaker 1: that I was with other guys, but they're they're making
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  Speaker 1: sense of it, and over time it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: like a really cool story. They told their friends at school.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be awesome. Yes, yes, So they still do
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  Speaker 1: talk about it to their friends, and you know, they
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  Speaker 1: think they think it's really cool. They just don't get it,
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  Speaker 1: but they think it's cool. So each week we're catching
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  Speaker 1: up with past bachelorets. This kind of our theme right now.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna just touch touch base with many of them
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  Speaker 1: and then breakdown an episode with all of them, which
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  Speaker 1: has been awesome so far. But one thing we've learned
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  Speaker 1: from two of them is that there's a text thread.
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  Speaker 1: Are you on this text read? I am on the
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  Speaker 1: text thread? Yes, that is just I mean, which is
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  Speaker 1: like blows everybody's mind. No, Like, it's just cool that
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  Speaker 1: like all of you stay connected. I just like I
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  Speaker 1: I think it's one of the coolest things we found
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: out is that this bachelor at community has supported each
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: other like this through a text read, which I know
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: as a past bachelor, Like, how much that would have
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: meant to me if I was entered into that, and
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: then how much it would even mean to me to
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: have that connection point with guys that are coming up
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: after me. I think that would just be really cool. Ben,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: it's not too late start the bachelor text us. I
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: have a feeling the bachelor text read would come and
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: go very fast. I don't know would participate. Yeah, I
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: don't know how much activity you would see on that,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: but it's not a bad idea. We would just be
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: missing still our very first bachelor. Uh, we can't find him,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: and so that would be pretty be pretty hard hard
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: to anybody. Yeah, I do. I feel like I have
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: this phone number, but from years ago it probably could
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: have changed by now, So I bet we could find
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: him for you. Seriously, guys, what a mystery that is
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: one of the wildest. Uh. Well, so again, Jenn, we
• 17:32
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• 17:35
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• 17:39
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• 17:45
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• 17:48
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• 20:32
  Speaker 1: We leave off from last week's rose ceremony when Carl
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: stirred all that, and all the guys are like, Carl,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: you just pulled lies out of your butt, Like everybody's
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: wondering where he got. You know that he heard that
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: more people were there for the wrong reasons. My fury
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: last week was that just Carl, you know, he was
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: there for the wrong reason, so he assumed that there
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: must be many more. Yeah, but this, like the situation
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: got checked out real quick because you know, the rose
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: ceremony starts and sweet Mike isn't Mike p He gets
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: his rose and says, just want to let you know
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: that Katie, we as a collective group think that Carl
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: is the problem here and you know, we're looking out
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: for you. So after hearing that, I think she gets
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: a little overwhelmed. She was still planning on picking Carl
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: to stay. She's still trusting Caral for some reason goes toxic.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: It's Caitlin and Tasia. They're like, no, this is on you.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: You make the decisions here, and inevitably she ends up
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: eliminating Carl, and we're all very proud, like we are
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: happy because we're seeing Katie weed out these losers real quick.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: You know, last week, I don't even remember the guy
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: his name, but there was like some drama with him,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: and the slightest spot of drama, she was like, Okay,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: you're gone. And then this week, same here with Carl.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I think it's really refreshing. I think we're tired of
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: seeing the villains stick around for a while. So what
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: was your take on this? Jen? You know, I was like,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: oh my god, the drama already, just like the minute
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: this episode started, um No. I love that she got
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: rid of him and that she actually um listened to
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: the collective group instead of you know, but I did.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I also liked when Caitlin was like, you know, this
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: isn't up to the men, this is up to you.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: And I think she and I thought she was like, okay,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I know what to do. Um. But yeah, I'm super
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: glad she let him go because usually the villains do
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: stick around for a while and it's like we don't
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: want to you know, after a while, you just don't
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: want to see it anymore. So good for her, just
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: like you know what, I'm done. I don't care drama,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: and I don't think there's any redemption for Carl here,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Like I don't think this is a good move. I
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: don't think it was like in her best interests. I
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: think we see that. But later in the episode, as
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about, Thomas kind of comes out with not
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: being there for the right reason. So is that who
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: he was referring to. We don't get any clarity on that,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: But that's ironic band. I think it might. I didn't
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: put two and two together, But Carl makes the ultimate
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: move that is I don't care if it's a bachelor
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: or bachelorette. Um, that just is not okay, and it
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: is the he did. He did worse than I remember.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: He stood in front of Katie, he turned his back
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: to Katie, he stared down the guys. Oh my god,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I saw that, and then he walked out. Didn't he
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: even say, Katie, I'm sorry? That was so crazy? Like
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: did I I rewound that. I was like, did that really?
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Did he really just do that? It was I think
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: ridiculous at all levels? Right jin Yes, Oh my god,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: And I was like, that's proves why you shouldn't have
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: chosen him. I mean, if that was how he was
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: going to react, and I mean obviously not the right guy,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: and he totally did not. He could have maybe redeemed himself,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: but obviously he chose to just continue to I mean,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: we've seen it in the past where guys, you know,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: say something the bachelor at her Bachelor's guys or girls
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: and they send them home and they say, hey, you
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: know what you said or what you did isn't real okay,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: And we've seen it done really well and I can't
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: remember off the top of my head, but it just
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: happened recently where they go up to the Bachelor Bachelor
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: and they say, hey, I know, maybe I was misinterpreted
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: or hey, I know what I meant and I didn't
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: mean when I say, and I'm sorry that you took
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: it the way you did. And it's unfortunate to go home,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: like even if you have to get your last word
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: out of kind of like that, but it's kind of
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: respect just right. He was like screwing you so bad.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: So yeah, at least I hope she got some sort
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: of like like she was like, all right, confirmation I
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: made the right move. Yeah, okay, absolutely. So then we
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: get the first group date card and it has Aaron Courtney,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Aames Connor, By, David Justin, Thomas Hunter, Brendan, all of
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: them are going on the date and it's like a
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: therapy session. It looks like it looks like group therapy.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: It looks like a a it's like from what I
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: see on you know the TV shows. Yes, and Nick
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: fill is leading the group conversation where he says basically
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: like everybody is going to talk about their red flags.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: They're going to talk about things that they've done their
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: past that they're not proud of. And it starts like
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: a really vulnerable, like heavy emotional conversation. First we have Hunter.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: He talks about how he was previously married and he
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: had two kids with his wife and then something happened
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: where he just had his priorities all shuffled up and
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: it ended. I felt like, I really, I really felt
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: like I started to learn more about Hunter in this episode.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I like him. What do you guys think? I liked him.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I thought I really liked him. I thought he seemed
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: he's a little older thirty four. I wasn't. I was
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: trying to pay attention to all the guys ages, but
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: you know, he seems like he's mature, and I liked
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: what he had to say. And um, I liked that
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: little group. I mean, so much came out of it.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: But I thought that was a kind of a really
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: great idea for the show to do because it's usually
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: so fluffy and nobody talks about anything important, or at least,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: um you know, they don't air it. So it was
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: nice too to see that and then really learn about
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: some of these guys. That's why I'm liking this season.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot of scenes like this,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: and they're really early on, and some of these dates have.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: They They have themes where a lot can come up
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: and it's not just like last week's mud wrestling date,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: like we're getting to know these guys really fast. I
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: feel like the franchise was maybe even like listening to
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: some fan feedback, because the past season, we just felt
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: like we didn't get to know people very well, and
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: I think we're really getting to know these guys quickly.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: It was I thought it was an incredible date, and
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Nick said it at the beginning, and I think it
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. Um, you know, you're you're
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: on this show to fall in love with somebody, but
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: yet you don't know all about these people, and you
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: still won't write relationships are about continuing get to another person,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: but most of the time you're not even given the
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: space in this franchise to learn about and to have
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: this moment. I actually viewed this as a really beautiful day.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I'll be excited to hear kind of the fan reaction
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: to it. Um. I actually kind of feel that it
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: should be a date that stays every season, that this
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: moment of vulnerability, in this moment for people to open
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: up and have a safe place to do it where
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: it maybe doesn't have to always be in a group environment,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: but it could be kind of always a focus point.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Was something that I really enjoyed because now I am
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: more than past seasons, incredibly emotionally connected to these contestants
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: and to Katie because I know their backstories and I
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: and I want to see them succeed even past the show,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: which I don't always feel because I just don't always
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: feel like I know the people will right. Well. Yeah,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: usually they typically don't let you or the viewer get
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: to know each other, like get to know people's stories
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: except for what they want to tell you, what the
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: what the producers want to tell you. So I thought
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: it was really, like you said at the beginning of
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: you know, the beginning of the season, just to get
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: into some real conversations. I thought was really definitely heavy.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I'm already crying. You know,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: it's stories are a lot, and you know, Katie obviously
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: shared so much. Um, I loved it. Yeah, So we
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: have Katie, she talks about this one time over ten
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: years ago that she didn't give consent. Then we have
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Connor b who talks about his problems with drinking and
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: maybe a little drug use and um cheating on his girlfriend.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: We had more of the other standout stories. I mean,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: we had a lot of guys kind of expressing their
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: difficult like their priorities being misaligned in relationships and what
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: that's taught them. And you know, I think if you're
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: for me, as I'm thirty two years old, I can
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: look at their stories and relate with priorities being misaligned,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: and you don't look at it from a place of judgment,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: but you look at a place of like, how cool
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: is it now that you're sitting in this place to
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: be able to now share that and know what you're
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: looking for, to know that you're ready for this again.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I think those relationship lessons are huge, especially as you
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: enter into an experience where you might be in an engagement.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: So those were powerful. Yeah. So the one that raised
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: a red flag in the traditional sense perhaps was Thomas's
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: story because he didn't really so much have a story
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: as he was just kind of like using the time
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: to confirm to Katie how he feels about her right now.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: But he did slip in that when he started out,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: when he left for the Bachelorette not knowing Katie, he was,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: you know, saying that it could be a great opportunity
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: to get a platform, and that of course raised some
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: eyebrows amongst the crowd. I gonna be honest, didn't have
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the hugest issue with this, just because it was so on.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: It was so honest. I didn't like his demeanor necessarily,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: he was smiley. He definitely didn't have the same tone
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: as a lot of the other guys, so I could
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: see them being like m about that, But as far
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: as like what he said and being there for the
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: wrong reasons, I just found it to be honest, and
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I think it would be really I think it's really
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: hard to say that it hasn't crossed the minds of
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: every other guy sitting in there. That's a very single guy,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I know. So that's what kind of I mean For
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: me personally. When I went on the show, it was like, Yeah,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: I think this will be a fun adventure, would be
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: ultimate if it worked out, but it probably won't. Exactly like,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: how many people are actually chosen at the end, So
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: don't tell me that they haven't thought of it. And
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: all of them have thought about it. It was only
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: gonna be one at the end, so I'm like, that
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: doesn't bother me. I just think he was just he
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: just wouldn't you know. He kind of talked in circles.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: He didn't really ever answer any of her questions. Was
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: would that bother me more than him admitting that maybe
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: he thought of it, thought about it, because of course
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: he could be like I thought about it, but now
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I'm actually really into you, which is what I said.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: And I liked it because he was saying what I
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: say all the time, like a broken record on here.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: It's like, I don't really have the biggest problem if
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: you show up for the wrong reasons, but as long
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: as when you're in the bubble everything, then in that
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: case you're fine, right because I feel to react in
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: that Yeah, Ben, I would agree. I mean, I think
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: we've talked about it so many times. Actually, where if
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: you go on the show and nothing slips into your
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: head about what this is gonna do to enhance or
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: change your life, Yeah, you know, it's it's a little
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: bit naive because only one person has chosen. Now when
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: you're there, you're there to see if maybe you are
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: going to be right for this person and see if
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: it works out. If not, go I just think and
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: then sometimes you get this. I mean I don't know
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Tom as well yet, but like, I just think he
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: was really bad at explaining himself. Like I think he
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: did a terrible job. When all the guys were confronting him,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: he still did a terrible job of saying like, Hey,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: this is where I'm at, this is where I was at.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Are none of you did none of you think this?
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: And this is where I want to go? Uh? It
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: just I think it. Also though it's the theme of
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: the season so far is that people are they're not
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: for the right reasons, and so it's gonna be harped on.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be different than past seasons where this is
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: said and everybody kind of like glosses over it because
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: there's other drama going on right now. We want to
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: we can say that there's been a lot of drama,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: but quite frankly, compared to like past seasons, it feels
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: like the love stories are increasing more than what we've seen.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: So they they're pulling out this storyline and we're seeing it,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: and he's going to be the one that kind of
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: gets pushed aside for right or wrong, we don't know yet.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it gets worse at some level. Yeah, Okay,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: So let's like kind of go into the nighttime portion
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: where this continues to be the theme, especially with Aaron,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: who is really coming to have an issue with with Thomas,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: who had an issue last week with the guy that
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: he knew back home in San Diego and then got
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: him eliminated. So part of me is starting to think, like,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: is Aaron just the guy that's always trying to find
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: somebody there for the wrong reasons. I'm not saying that
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: I trust Thomas one. Like I said last week, he's
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: like a smooth talker, you know, he's he's he's just
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: a smooth guy. You know, like you can just see
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: the way that he looks at her. I'm not saying
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: that trust him, but I also don't have as much
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: of an issue with him as these guys are kind
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: of making it out to be. It's like, the worst
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: thing he's done so far is admit that he wants
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: a platform, and then during the during the cocktail party,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: he interrupts someone. It's like, welcome to the Bachelor, he interrupted.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: That never happened. I know. So I feel like this
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: poor guy is maybe be going to become the villain
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: of the season just because there truly wasn't any other
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: villains in the house, right, right? Oh my god, that's
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: so true. Yeah, And I just but I think when
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: she was also asking him about like what are these
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: red flags you're talking about? Like, I don't hate him,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: but I just felt like, I just really, I just
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: really want you to know how much I'm into and
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I'm like, can you just like maybe answer the question. Yeah,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I got frustrated there. But I don't think he's a
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: bad guy. But he's also not a very good upfront. Yes,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: he's kind of a has an issue with communicating because
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: even when the guys were trying to tell him, like
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: you might want to like slow this down or there's
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: an issue, he's like not getting it or not being
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: able to articulate what he's thinking. Yeah, because I think
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: he's so stuck in smooth talk mode that he doesn't
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: know how to talk real. Right, that's probably true. Can
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I just answered her question? Can I bring up a
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: pet peeve that I need you guys to settle me on? Um?
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I don't love it when other people speak for other people,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: especially when that other persons in the room with them.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: So he kept saying these feelings that I'm feeling and
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: you're feeling too or these feelings like our connection and
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: what you felt when I felt like maybe at some
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: point you should ask her to get the confirmation of
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: like are you feeling similar to him? Or right now
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: are you frustrated with me because you feel like I'm
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: not communicating clearly to you? But I felt that I
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: just sometimes the show brings up my pet piece. I
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: think that's one of them. Cause I was watching, I
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: was like, stop telling your how she's feeling about you.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: I don't like that, right, and just let her get
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: to know you. I think he and he's just trying
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: like you love me, you like me too, you like
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: me to write versus like, hey, maybe let's just you know,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: don't be so aggressive. Yeah, he's very aggressive, But I
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: wasn't getting like super fired up over this whole controversy.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I get it, like he's he's
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: at least being honest, and if you don't want that
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: to be said, then like send him home. If not,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: this isn't like the worst thing that he could be
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: doing is thinking Katie just became the Bachelor at she
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: obviously I mean everybody you know, I just I don't
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: think that's like the worst thing that could ever be
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: said by someone, it's the truth. Yeah. Sorry, guys, this
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: is random, but I'm just thinking about villains right now
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: and who's going to become the villain. Earlier, when we
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: were still like trying to figure out how this theseon
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: what id fold based on the teasers, I thought Blake
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: was going to come in in the first week or
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: two he was. His appearance wasn't going to be some
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: sort of I'm showing up in the middle of this
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: and going to ruffle any feathers type thing. But now
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: we see that he comes in next week week four.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: That's pretty far teaching. Same as Nick File he came
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: in week four and people were mad about that. Yeah,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: so we'll see if the tables turn and they get
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: they get the attention of Thomas next week. Yeah. I
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: don't like when they bring new people in either, so
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: because like as a bachelor or a bachelorette, you're like
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: trying to get to know all these people and then
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden someone new comes in and then
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: I feel like you have left. I would feel like,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: oh my god, how am I supposed to get to
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: know this person? I started though with twenty five guys,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: and it went down to fifteen. So all of these
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: like thirty and then twenty something like, that's just so
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: many people that would have been so overwhelming. It was
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: already overwhelming. You went from fifteen one night, yeah, first night,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: and then they didn't ever bring anybody in, so it
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: was you know, those were the guys, no extra drama
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: by bringing anyone else in. So I wonder if back
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: then you're able to form closer relationships faster. I think
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: probably just because there just weren't as many people and
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: you had more time with each person. Mm hmm, that's
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: what I think. Okay, well let's get back, let's get
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: into something super sweet. Well, change pace a little bit.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Michael gets his one on one day. This man is
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: such a precious gem. He kind of reminds me of Evan,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: but like not in a sassy, like weird Evan way,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: because like Evan's fine with me calling him weird. Evan
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: embraces that, but Michael has like that sort of like
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: sensitivity dad vibe. Um, he's just oh he shares that
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: story about uh they were together for sixteen years. She
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: she passed away January two nine three. Oh me, God,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: like I was crying again. Actually, so from he's from
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: around where I live currently lives, so and I heard
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: his story and lots of people are like, oh my god,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: you got to get to know him, so um just
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: you know, right out of the gate, I was like,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: I want to hear his story. And then I mean,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: you know, I know friends who know his wife, and
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: um so I'm just like, oh my god, I'm rooting
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: for this guy. And not only does he have a story,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: but he's also just like a little like you just
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: want to hug in. I know, he was like the cutest,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: sweetest little thing, little thing. He doesn't want to hear that, like,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: but big thing, cutest, big thing, cutest, Like God, yes, yeah,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: So his story is just heartbreaking and I love him
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: beyond anything else that happens for him on this franchise.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: It is incredible and like something that like just brings
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: joy to watch and to see his courage of just
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: putting himself back out there again, right, you know, talk
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: about a guy that's definitely there for the right reason.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I would be shocked if this had ever crossed his
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: mind of anything different. But just for him to say,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I the love of my life has passed away I have.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I am a dad, and I'm going to try to
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: get back out there and date again and pursue again
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: because I get to fall in love twice. I mean
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: something just absolutely like there's just a really special moment
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: for me to learn from him on his courage to
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: continue to move forward, get out there again. The way
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: that he said that he had never said I love
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: you to any other woman. So I really hope that
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: he doesn't feel pressure into saying it, like if he
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: gets really far before he really feels like it's right.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I don't want him to be get like sucked up
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: in him to get hurt. Now, yeah, she doesn't choose him.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Now I feel bad for her too, because you're like,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: oh my god, she lets him go, everyone's gonna be
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: mad at her. But yeah, so you just want good
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: thanks for him. That's all I want. I just want
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: good things for him. Yes. Also, he said there was
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: something that stood out to me that she said, Um,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: it's like, I'm the person who's going to be with him,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: is always going to have to respect the fact that like,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: like that's his life, to his past, just like that
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: that she's always going to be like a love of his.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: It's like not like it ever is over right, and
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: that's probably pretty heavy for whoever he ends up with two.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: But he's so great, you know. I think like he said,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: he's like he doesn't want to spend he wants to
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: make sure that whoever he is with just his love,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: just his first wife. So I mean, clearly he's got
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: lots of love to give and he deserves it all.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: I've seen it done really well at a football coach
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: who's probably in his late thirties when his wife passed
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: away from breast cancer and he remarried about four years later,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: and they were like the staples of the town, like
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: everybody knew them. It was it was very tragic for
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: so many and um, I remember advice that at one
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: point there that talking at like an event I was at,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: or I just was meeting with him personally. But uh,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: you know, when you marry somebody, when you entered a
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: relationship somebody, one of the most beautiful things is to
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: understand their past and to own that past with them
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: like that that you know you are part of their past,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: like you take in and you learn from the stories
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: they've told. And now this guy and his now wife
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: run a foundation in the name of his past wife,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: and they do events around the community and her name
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: and it's it's a really beautiful thing to see it
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: not I can't. I imagine it can't be easy. But
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: once you start to own that with your the love
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: of your life, now I imagine it's a really beautiful
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: moment um. So I'm, oh, yeah, I guess we could
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: all we could see her all day and talk about
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: how great he is. But turns to transition just a
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: bit if you watch the very end of the episode,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: because I was worried he was going to be super
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: help back and like maybe not really know how to date.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Like I was kind of worried about that for him,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Like how is this guy gonna be able to like
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: flirt again like this? Even he does he does, because
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: the last scene of the episode is the two of
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: them watching the Stars together and that dude's got game,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: like he he's good. They're flirting, he's joking with her.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: She feels so confident that she's like that's a star
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: because you're painting my ass, Like that's that's big, Like
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: that's a big deal, Like Jess, can I at this
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: point that's how we talked to each other and it's
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: like this flirty behavior. I think there's something there, Guys,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: I don't think we cannot discount him. At first, I
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: was like, I don't feel anything with these two, like
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: the past two weeks. I was like, this is a
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: sweet guy that'll stick around for a while. But she like, Wow,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: what a turnaround on that day. You definitely she like
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: she likes yes, definitely likes them. It's cool. Alright, so
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: count him in going far, I know. But but they're
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: already showing this, so that makes me worried for him,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: you know, you know they're giving us too much too,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: So I think there's good things to come for that man,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: no matter what. Okay, good, no matter what, Yeah, no
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: matter what. All right, let's move on to like the
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: kind of like the last scene of the episode, we
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: see the guys at the house. It's about to go
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: down with Thomas. Aaron keeps calling him a psychopath. I'm like,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: calm down, Aaron, Okay, it's like I o't look at
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: this school like, okay, yeah, I get it, you don't
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: like him, Like and Hunter kind of how to sit
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: down with Thomas, saying like, you know, the guys aren't
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: really sure about you. Right now, and now they're going
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: to have a big, a big like confrontation. Always fun,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: always exciting, and they're getting together to let you know,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: to let Katie know that they don't think you should
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: be here. Ever, I mean, I don't know that that's
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: up to them exactly. Now they're having a little bit
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: of a power surge after the Rose ceremonies, you know, ordeal.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Now they're like, oh we can basically yeah, they're like,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: what is the survivor? You think you could vote people
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: out of the house, like now gets to decide not Yeah, yeah,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's that's funny. That's funny to me. Yeah,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: all right, Well, any last thoughts on the episode or
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: what's to come? No, But I was just like, this
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: was a great episode. I thought it was a really
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: good episode, and I'm excited to see where it goes
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: for her and for Michael and all the other guys.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: But those are my you know, Katie and Michael right now,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: that's who I I'm worried about. A thought. Okay, yes,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I can't believe you two aren't more up in uproar
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: about this. Uh this Okay, this frustrated me. I like Katie,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: but I think he made a drastic mistake this episode.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: I think it brings a lot into question. She got
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: rid of my number two guy, John, and I liked
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: John John from the Bartender. Yeah, I think he was
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: the bartender and I don't know what happened in that relationship,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: but he was sweet, he was sensitive, he was a
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: very average mud wrestler. I thought this guy was here
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: to stay. And he gets let go and goes home,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: and I was crushed. I'm sorry, sorry for you that
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I must be the only one, am I the only
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: one here? I didn't feel attached to him, to be
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: quite honest, Yeah, you know some of them. There's some
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: great guys that you just don't feel or women. I'm
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: sure in your case then you just they're great, but
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: you just don't have a spark, you know who. I
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: want to see more of that we haven't seen have
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: any sort of connection with Katie Christian from Boston, Jared's
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: future best friend. Yeah, yeah, he made a couple of
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: good comments this episode, but yeah, I think and we
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: can close it here. I'm watching their pow wow as
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: they confront Thomas, and I'm watching these group dates and
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: there's some like really good dudes in there who don't
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: want to get involved in the drama of it all,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: so they kind of stand back, and their facial expressions
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: are absolutely fantastic, like absolutely like the best things to
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: watch in the world. And at some point I believe
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: those guys will shine. You'll get to know more about them,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: right but hopefully in the mix they don't just stay
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: quiet because the controversy, you know, kind of like deafens them.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: But I think that's his deal, ash I think he's
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: just like he was like, I don't want to get
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: involved in this. I'm from Boston, Like I've seen a
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: lot worse than some guys are, Like, are we really
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: fighting about this? Let's you know, let's let's cut the
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: drama on. Let's just you know, figure it all out
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: as we go along, because you know, I mean, some
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: people just love to fight. So Jim, before we let go,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: I do this with Ashley, I've been do it with
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: you as well. Um, who are your top two to
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: three favorites? And Ashley, you're right after her on the show.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: You're right now, who do you think is going to
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: go the farthest? Who do you like this is? I'm
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: I'm having a problem, Okay, I like Hunter, I like Michael,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: and then there was another guy I thought was super cute,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: but I can't remember his name. I think was he
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: a bartender? Did somebody? Okay, it's like curly as Blondie
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Share wrote is. I thought I wrote his name down,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: not connor by but couldn't have a lot to say.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: He didn't have a lot to say today, but he
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: did get a rose Christian. Maybe it's Christian. He's super cute. Okay, Okay,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: that's Christian. So yeah, sorry. Then I was talking, you
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: were talking about who I was talking about. That's it.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: That's good. That's a that's a good list, Ashley. Alright,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: so I'm going to add Michael to the top now,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: so it'll be Michael, um Connor, b Greg and then
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: um Andrew, who I think is a sort of dark
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: horse right now, because I think he's gonna get far,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: but I don't think we've seen a lot of him yet.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Why why did you make the greg uh sound Greg?
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Because he's so wonderful and he brings so much comfort
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: to us all while watching him on screen with Katie.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: That's perfect. I like, I was, I was injured interested
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: with the noise. Mant Hey Jin, You're the best again.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Everybody out there listening, uh please please please go consider
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: listening to Jin's podcast and it is called from the
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Bachelor to the Burbs wherever you can listen to podcast.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Jin Cheff Waterman, thanks for joining us for this breakdown.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much, so fun. It's now time
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: for one of our biggest, most famous, most almost famous,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: uh segments of the podcast. It's called Bachelor headlines, and
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: we've got a few. This is a big one. A
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: buddy of mine, um who is at my bachelor party,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Wills Adams roll on Bachelor in Paradise just got even bigger.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: People are super pumped about this. This according to e Yeah,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: so he's not just going to be the bartender, he's
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: also going to be presiding over rose ceremonies. So my
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: big question is this, why is their guest hosts. Why
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: couldn't they just have Wells be the bartender giving everybody
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: advice and like words of support and guidance at the bar,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: and then he conducts the row ceremonies. Like, why do
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: you need a host to do anything more than that?
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know what a host does. Now I'm super
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: pumped for wells a huge deal for him, really excited,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: uh that he gets this opportunity. He's going to be
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: great at it, I have no question but take away
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: like him being a friend and him being good at it.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: For a second, what else does the host do on
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: this show that they guide, they support and they to
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: roast harmonies? Like I don't get it. Uh So it's
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: gonna be interesting to see how much the host plays
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: a role in backstor in Paradise this season, because in
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: past seasons, I mean really, Chris has showed up for
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: roast ceremonies for like group date cards, maybe to introduce somebody,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: like to welcome him in. But I don't feel like
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: we need David Spade to do that. No, Like, I'm
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: really curious as to what they're gonna do. Lauren. My
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: sister was like, it's gonna be like little John. Hey,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: I'm Little John, and this week I'm gonna teach you
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: how to wrap. And it's like Lance is going to
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: be there and he's like, I want to teach you
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: how to dance, like do a choreograph dance. Um. Then
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: David Spade it's like, hey, I'm gonna teach you to
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: stand up like, is it gonna be like that that
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: that's actually not a bad idea, I can see, I
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: can see that, But I mean again, it goes back
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: to the conversation we've been having is how do you
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: pay little John David Spade, Lance Bass to be a
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: host of a show if all they're gonna do is
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: go and host a date? Like, how do you convince
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: them the quarantine for a week in Mexico and then
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: film for a week in Mexico. That's just a big
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: deal for them. When Jared and I found out that
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Wills is gond do ROAs ceremonies, he was like, I
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: bet you the hosts weren't gonna want to even stay
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: up that late because rose ceremonies take place in Paradise,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: like almost consistently at three or four o'clock at night.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: And he was like, probably couldn't even convince in the morning. Sorry,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: that's everybody. Yeah, that's why I want to be the
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: host of the Senior Show because there's no way you
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: could convince me to be the bit three in the
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: morning hosting ROAs ceremonies. I want to host the Senior
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Show because I see those being like a a mid
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: afternoon Rose ceremony that you know exists for just a
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: few hours. That that is the sweetest deal. Hey, Ashley
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: More headlines more details about Chris Harrison's exit from The
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Bachelor franchise. It says, according to Variety, that he actually
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: got a nine million dollar payout, which was you know
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: discussed multiple times, uh, you know last week. Yeah, So
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: initially people were saying that he was going to get
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: an aid figure payout um, but two people familiar with
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: the negotiations say that he got nine million plus remaining
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: contractual fees, which brought his total exit package to about
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: ten million UM, about the same paycheck he would have
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: made from two back to back years of work, as
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: his contract was said to be around five million dollars
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: a year UM. It also says that he wanted to
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: keep his job, but at a certain point the damage
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: was done. The relationship had been soured and drama hit
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: an all time high with the network in the studio
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: and his attorney quickly arranged an exit deal, and within
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: a matter of days, Harrison had reached a legal agreement
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: to depart the franchise on his own accord. Wow, Well
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: that's the big updates. Life without Chris Harrison on the
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Bachelor franchise. We're seeing it and that brings us to
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: our mentors for this season. A few stories about Caitlin
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: and Taitia. Caitlin Bristow this week had a week where
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: she was pretty outspoken about the criticism she's been receiving
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: for her appearance, and the headline means this, Caitlin Bristow
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: shuts down criticism of her different appearance with refreshingly honest response.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: This according to eat Okay, So I saw this response
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: on Twitter, thought I was amazing. Somebody said there's something
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: different about you, but I can't like figure it out,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: put my finger on it. And then Caitlin was like,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: could it be? And then she listed a whole bunch
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: of things that she has done over the past six years,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: in addition, um in addition to of course being six
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: years older. But she wrote exactly this, six years since
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: I've been on the show. Brow lift, micro needle a,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: micro blading, got my teeth, bonded some lip filler, aging
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: darker hair, and I finally learned how to contour. Oh
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: and I put some weight on. So yes. I love
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: how honest Caitlin loves with that and and just absolutely
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: ridiculous for the amount of comments she gets she's beautiful.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, come on, like, yeah, what are we doing?
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Uh well? Other mentortation Adams. Her dad actually says he's
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: happy with how she's progressing, and that's in quotes with
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: fiance Zach Clark dis According to People, Yeah, so her dad, Desmond,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: was on Mike Johnson and Brian Abslow's Talking It Out
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: podcasts and he was describing his future son in law.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: He says he's humble and genuine and an all around
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: good guy. What you see is what you get. He said,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: That's what he really liked about him. A lot of people,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: as you know, they go on the show for promoting
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: certain things. Um, I think it was all pretty new
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: to Zach. If if I recall, well, he wasn't really
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: a follower of the show for so many years or whatnot.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: And during our first conversation we had some good heart
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: to hearts, even those first conversations this he said, we're
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: like pretty deep. He said, I was happy with him.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: He was a really he was just a really nice
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: guy and like how things are progressing. Super cool to
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: hear a dad of a daughter say that, you know,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: We've been fans of Zac and Tatious since they got together,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: so we'll continue to support them. Here we'll speaking of
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: past bachelorettes. Hannah Brown gushes over boyfriend Adam Lord. I
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: think I said that right. I don't know if I did,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: but you get it if I didn't. In sweet post,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: the quote is she's feeling especially blessed this according to us, Yeah,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: she just pushed. She posted a cute little picture of
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: the of the two of them and captioned it Adam
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: appreciation post. Just feeling especially blessed to have you by
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: my side. Thank you for everything you do for me.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: I am one lucky girl. I like the way that
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: like they show off their relationship, but not in a
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: not not in a too much in your face sort
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: of way. It just seems really sweet and it seems,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is gonna but it seems very real,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: which you know, in her position, she could be using
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: it and highlighting it and you know, using it for
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: fame and glory. But no, it just seems like, hey,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: we actually want to make this thing work. This is
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: a real deal. Well, some good news now, and it
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: has we've been falling over last week. But Lauren Burnham
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: and Ari lindyke Jr. They just brought home their daughter
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: from the hospital after respiratory issues. This according to us, Yeah,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: we don't have a lot of details. She did get
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: to go home, um, but it did take a couple
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: of days. She said that when they brought home the
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: boy twin lux it felt so bitter. Sweet little ciss
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: has to stay behind for right now. And then Ari said,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: I've never felt heartbreak like this. Please say pros for
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: our girl. And then we see a Lessie, their oldest
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: daughter with the baby boy, and he said, already loves
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: her brother so much. Emotional few days, but a Lessie
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: meeting her baby, her little brother today was cuter than
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: words could describe. But good news is all the babies
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: are home and seeming to be doing pretty well. Now
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: onto uh, kind of switching gears here. Uh, this was
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: a topic we got a lot of messages about and
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: uh it's something that we need to break down. Actually
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: is going to teach me about it because that was
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: kind of our role here. Bachelor lum Carly Waddell is
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: in rough shape after hospitalization. This, according to page six,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: actually catch us up what's going on? Oh my gosh,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: nobody knows what's really going on, including Carly herself. She
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: posted a fifteen minute video to her Instagram describing everything
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: that went down last week, and I was truly nauseous
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: just hearing about it. Her girl gets like cramps, such
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: such bad stomach pains, she said. The only thing that
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: she felt even similar to them in her life were contractions. Um,
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: she was in line to get on an airplane, gets
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: on the airplane despite the cramps, and then it gets
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: worse and worse. She says that her hearing goes out,
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: her eyes sight goes out, you know, like you know, faint,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: You're in the faint zone. Um. She gets just flushed
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: with like overwhelming amounts of heat. She ends up passing out.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Um walking off the airplane. Right. She was so lucky.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: It was right before or like right after they closed
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: the door, So she made it off the plane. Could
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: you imagine feeling like that in the air Oh, they
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: would have probably had to make an emergency landing, because
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: she ends up going into the ambulance instead of Her
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: blood pressure got alarmingly low. She felt so ill that
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: she was like even herself a pep talk to keep living.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: She was like honestly, like I felt like death was near.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Gets to to the hospital, throwing up so much, all
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: the diarrhea um. They nothing would stop it, no Zoe
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: fran or anything. And her they couldn't get her blood,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: like they couldn't even find like a vein for her
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: blood because I don't know what was going on there.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: And after everything kind of like came out, uh, she
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: said that like there wasn't much for them to do
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: other than like hydrate her. And and they think that
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: it was a bacterial or viral infection that just hit
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: her hard, like it was just something bad in there.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: But still she still doesn't know. And she says now
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: a week later that she is feeling you know, controllable. Um.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: She would get bouts of nausea and such, but but
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: doesn't know what's what went on. You know, when I
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: had that parasite after this season, I was thinking about
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: you at the parasite, it was very similar, and it
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: would like getting up in the planes or getting the
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: pressurized situation would or any anxiety or nerves like of
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: the smallest amount would bring it on. So I do
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: wonder if she had something like something in her gut
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: that was causing because it would make you it would
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: be like excruciating pains. So our thoughts are with Carly.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: You can follow her story. She's doing a pretty good
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: job now that she's at a hospital on keeping us
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: up today on Instagram. Well that's the all the Bachelor
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: headlines we have today. Another great episode of Katie's season.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: We're gonna rank this season so far, we haven't done
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: it yet because we're kind of waiting to get into it.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: I'm giving Katie season so far actually an a minus,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: and only in a minus because I want to see
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: room for growth. But I'm really enjoying it, and I
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: like the cast. I really like Katie. I'm enjoying participating
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Viewers still aren't tuning in. Ratings are still down, which
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: is frustrating probably for many, but as far as like,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: if you're a Bachelor fan, I like this season, what
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: about you me too? I was going to give it
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: the same I was gonna say a nine, which would
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: be like, I think I love it for the same
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: reason as you just mentioned. I love feeling attached to
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: the cast already this early on. I feel like they're
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: giving us exactly what we want, which is love, stories, depths, substance,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: and I'm excited to continue to invest in these love stories.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: It almost feels like a throwback season, like a season
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: you would see ten ten five years ago, like a
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: season that really was focused on building relationships. It's pretty great. Well, hey,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: that's all we got for you today. Thanks again for
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: jin Cheft Waterman for joining us, and as always my
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: wonderful co host Ashley can Eddie i'van been and as
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: always my wonderful co host Ben Higgins. I love you
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: guys so much. I've been actually a piece out followed
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: the Benn and Ashley Almost Famous podcasts on I Heart
• 1:03:02
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