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  Speaker 4: Third hour of the Morning Show with Preston Scott. I'm Preston,
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  Speaker 4: he is Jose. It is show fifty two seventy four.
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  Speaker 4: using number five to seventy four. Great to be with
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  Speaker 4: you for the third hour, and I'm thrilled to have
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  Speaker 4: with me first time ever, the Chancellor of the State
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  Speaker 4: University System is joined me on the program. Ray Rodriguez, Ray,
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  Speaker 4: Welcome to the program. How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 5: I'm doing well. Thank you for having me on, Preston.
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  Speaker 4: My pleasure. Let's do this for listeners. Let's first give
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  Speaker 4: a brief overview of the state university system. It sounds
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  Speaker 4: like a really big thing. Break it down. What does
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  Speaker 4: this what does does that system do? And then your
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  Speaker 4: role is chancellor.
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  Speaker 5: Very good. Our state University system in Florida is comprised
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  Speaker 5: of our twelve universities that would include Florida State University
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  Speaker 5: fam U, University of West Florida, University of North Florida obviously,
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  Speaker 5: University of Florida, University of Central Florida, University of South Florida,
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  Speaker 5: Florida Atlantic University, Florida International University, Florida Gulf Coast University,
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  Speaker 5: and then New College and Florida Polytechnic University. It is big.
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  Speaker 5: We're the third largest university system in the country. We
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  Speaker 5: have over four hundred and thirty thousand students who attend
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  Speaker 5: one of our twelve institutions. My role as chancellor is
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  Speaker 5: I am the CEO of the Borda Governors and the
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  Speaker 5: chancellor of the State University System of Florida. I advocate
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  Speaker 5: for the university. I also serve in a regulatory position
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  Speaker 5: and that it's our responsibility at the Borda Governors to
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  Speaker 5: ensure that all that's being done within our state university
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  Speaker 5: system is compliant with the regulations and with state statutes.
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  Speaker 5: And finally, we're focused on student success.
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  Speaker 4: What's the intersection between what you do with the Board
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  Speaker 4: of Governors and as chancellor with for example, the state legislature,
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  Speaker 4: the Governor's office, and the Florida Department of Education. Is
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  Speaker 4: there any kind of ven diagram where those things overlap
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  Speaker 4: or are you a totally separate entity.
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  Speaker 5: Well, that is a great question. We are a separate entity.
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  Speaker 5: We were constitutionally created to be the independent board that
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  Speaker 5: serves as the regulatory authority over our Florida universities. We
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  Speaker 5: do interact with each of those entities. The Florida the
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  Speaker 5: Board of Education has the authority over the Florida College System,
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  Speaker 5: which would include Tallahassee State College and the other twenty
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  Speaker 5: seven members of of the Florida College System. We work
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  Speaker 5: very closely with the Florida College System so that there
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  Speaker 5: is a consistent education experience and ease of transfer for
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  Speaker 5: graduates in the Florida College System that wish to continue
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  Speaker 5: their education and obtain a bachelor's degree at one of
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  Speaker 5: our universities. We interact, and when I say we, I'm
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  Speaker 5: talking about the state university system with the legislature, because
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  Speaker 5: we are advocating for their appropriation request and we're also
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  Speaker 5: advocating for good policy in the realm of higher education
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  Speaker 5: with the legislature, and we interact quite a bit with
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  Speaker 5: the Executive Office of the Governor, working on both appropriations
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  Speaker 5: and policy issues.
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  Speaker 4: If you were to draw a kind of a comparison,
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  Speaker 4: where does Florida rank within its university system in other
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  Speaker 4: states with regard to affordability, Well.
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  Speaker 5: I'm glad you asked that question, because there is no
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  Speaker 5: one who is more affordable. In the state University system
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  Speaker 5: of Florida, the College Board, which is the organization that
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  Speaker 5: administers the SAT, every year doing a report specific to affordability,
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  Speaker 5: and they just release their report for the current year,
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  Speaker 5: and our tuition in fees in the State University System
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  Speaker 5: of Florida are six three hundred and sixty dollars. The
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  Speaker 5: average public university has tuition in fees of eleven thousand,
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  Speaker 5: six hundred and ten dollars, so we're forty five percent
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  Speaker 5: below the national average. We have not raised tuition or
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  Speaker 5: fees since twenty thirteen, and as a result of that,
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  Speaker 5: our students are able to attend without going into debt.
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  Speaker 5: You know, the narrative nationally is that higher education is
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  Speaker 5: unaffordable and that the only way to obtain a degree
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  Speaker 5: is to go into a significant amount of debt, and
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  Speaker 5: so students are looking at that and weighing whether that's
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  Speaker 5: a worthwhile investment. And that's largely true for many of
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  Speaker 5: the states in this nation, but Florida is the exception
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  Speaker 5: because we do have the lowest tuition and fees and
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  Speaker 5: as a result of that, seventy seven percent of our
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  Speaker 5: students enrolled in fall semester do not have the federal
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  Speaker 5: student loan. We are graduating students stet free.
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  Speaker 4: Do we really put our focus on keeping our kids
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  Speaker 4: in state? Are we doing anything to try to attract
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  Speaker 4: because I would imagine the cost of out of state
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  Speaker 4: tuition for someone that comes to Florida for an education
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  Speaker 4: is a little bit different.
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  Speaker 5: That's true. Every state charges more to their out of
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  Speaker 5: state students than their in state students. Florida is fairly unique.
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  Speaker 5: The only other states who do what we're doing would
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  Speaker 5: be North Carolina and Texas in that we require a
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  Speaker 5: set percentage of students who are allowed in from out
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  Speaker 5: of state. So, for example, in the Florida State University system,
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  Speaker 5: we allow ten percent of students from out of state.
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  Speaker 5: So if you look at our four hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 5: thousand students, ninety percent of them are Florida right. And
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  Speaker 5: the reason for that is our Florida legislature has made
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  Speaker 5: a significant investment in higher education. In fact, since twenty thirteen,
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  Speaker 5: when we implemented performance based funding centered around student success,
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  Speaker 5: our appropriations in state for state education higher education have
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  Speaker 5: gone from one point seventy four billion to four point
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  Speaker 5: eighty five billion. That's an increase of two hundred and
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  Speaker 5: eighty percent. Our legislature has prioritized investing in higher education
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  Speaker 5: for Florida citizens, and so we want to make sure
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  Speaker 5: that it's Florida citizens that are benefiting from those taxpayer dollars.
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  Speaker 4: The graduation rates, first of all, what are they inside
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  Speaker 4: the state? And secondly, what's the timeframe of graduation on average?
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  Speaker 5: You know, that is also a very important question. If
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  Speaker 5: you were to google typical graduation rate in the United States,
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  Speaker 5: the number that would come up would be sixty four percent.
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  Speaker 5: So that's the national average. What you would no unless
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  Speaker 5: you drill down on that, is that sixty four percent
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  Speaker 5: is actually a six year graduation rate. That is the
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  Speaker 5: standard for measuring graduation rates in higher education today. Here
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  Speaker 5: in the state of Florida, we measure in four year
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  Speaker 5: increments because that's what the universities are measured on in
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  Speaker 5: terms of performance space funding. Our four year graduation rate
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  Speaker 5: is sixty four percent, So we're doing in four years
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  Speaker 5: what the typical public higher education across this country university
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  Speaker 5: is doing in six If you want our six year
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  Speaker 5: graduation rate number, it is just below eighty percent. It's
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  Speaker 5: very important to us that our students are successful. US
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  Speaker 5: News and World Report has ranked the State University System
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  Speaker 5: of Florida and our Florida College System as the number
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  Speaker 5: one state for higher education since twenty seventeen when they
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  Speaker 5: began ranking state systems, and it is an objective measure
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  Speaker 5: that they use when they do that metric and they
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  Speaker 5: issue their rankings, they're looking at how much does it
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  Speaker 5: cost to attend, how deep in debt are students, how
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  Speaker 5: many of them graduate, and when they graduate, do they
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  Speaker 5: find jobs? And on all of those metrics, the State
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  Speaker 5: University System of Florida is extremely successful.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just going to ask about success defined
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  Speaker 4: as in careers after schooling, getting a degree in something
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  Speaker 4: that actually leads to a job. How do you determine
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  Speaker 4: what the best paths are in making things available to students.
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  Speaker 5: Well, we have a couple of things that we utilize.
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  Speaker 5: One is within our performance based funding metrics. We have
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  Speaker 5: programs of strategic Emphasis, and to be designated a program
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  Speaker 5: a state teach emphasis, it has to be a program
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  Speaker 5: in which there is an existing job shortage in the
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  Speaker 5: state of Florida or a projected job shortage in the
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  Speaker 5: state of Florida that meets the minimum wage threshold, and
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  Speaker 5: to get that data, we work directly with the Department
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  Speaker 5: of Commerce. We work with our Chambers of Commerce, the
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  Speaker 5: Florida Chamber of Commerce, and our local Chambers of Commerce
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  Speaker 5: at our institutions, so that we're plugged into what the
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  Speaker 5: local job needs in each of the communities within programs
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  Speaker 5: of strategic emphasis. More than sixty percent of our undergraduate
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  Speaker 5: degrees or awarded in majors that lead to those open jobs,
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  Speaker 5: and sixty five percent of our graduate degrees are in
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  Speaker 5: programs of strategic emphasis. The next thing we do, and
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  Speaker 5: this is also something that makes Florida unique, is we
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  Speaker 5: have something called my Florida Future. If you go to
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  Speaker 5: the Florida Border Governor's website, this is the most visited
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  Speaker 5: page on our entire website. You can choose any institution
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  Speaker 5: and then once you've chosen that institution, look at every
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  Speaker 5: major that's offered and it will tell you what recent
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  Speaker 5: college graduates are earning when they graduate. And so you
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  Speaker 5: go into the university with your eyes wide open when
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  Speaker 5: you choose your major of what your job prospects are
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  Speaker 5: going to be after graduation. Hormant space funding on that metric,
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  Speaker 5: we look at postgraduation, how are our graduates doing. Seventy
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  Speaker 5: five percent of them are either continuing their education in
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  Speaker 5: a professional degree, law school, medical school, or going on
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  Speaker 5: to get their masters or their doctorates, or they're employed.
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  Speaker 5: And if they're employed, we're looking at what are the
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  Speaker 5: wages that they are earning. And the medium wage of
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  Speaker 5: a graduate from the State University System of Florida is
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  Speaker 5: fifty dollars.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of parents concerned, and I think one of
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  Speaker 4: the things that a lot of people are struggling with
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  Speaker 4: is what happens in secondary higher education when it comes
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  Speaker 4: to the indoctrination of students. They go to college thinking
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  Speaker 4: one way and they come out thinking of another. Because
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  Speaker 4: there are notable professors that take advantage of it that
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  Speaker 4: they have almost a captive audience. What does the board
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  Speaker 4: of regions? What do you do as a chancellor to
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  Speaker 4: ensure that that kids are getting an education and exposure
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  Speaker 4: to all philosophical ideals and ideas when it comes to
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  Speaker 4: governance and economics and all of the various philosophies that
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  Speaker 4: are out there.
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  Speaker 5: Well, that is a very real concern. Gallup Organization does
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  Speaker 5: an annual poll where they measure the confidence of Americans
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  Speaker 5: in their institutions, and last year they found confidence in
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  Speaker 5: higher education had fallen the thirty six percent. The last
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  Speaker 5: time they had done that confidence level was close to
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  Speaker 5: sixty percent, so it was shocking. This year, they were
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  Speaker 5: prepared so when they polled, they had follow up questions
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  Speaker 5: and once again the confidence level is down to thirty
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  Speaker 5: six percent. The theory last year was the reason Americans
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  Speaker 5: had lost confidence was because higher education had gotten so
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  Speaker 5: expensive and students were going so deep in debt. What
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  Speaker 5: Gallup found when they asked the follow up questions as
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  Speaker 5: to why you lost the confidence in higher education, that
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  Speaker 5: was actually the third reason the cost and the debt.
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  Speaker 5: The number one reason Americans have lost confidence in higher
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  Speaker 5: education is because of a belief that is indoctrinating students
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  Speaker 5: into a left wing ideology. And that was shocking because
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  Speaker 5: no one thought that would be the number one answer,
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  Speaker 5: And that was number one because it's a top concern
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  Speaker 5: for both Republicans and those who identify politically as independents.
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  Speaker 5: In the state of Florida. The action that's been taken
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  Speaker 5: has been led by Governor Rod DeSantis. He championed legislation
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  Speaker 5: two sessions ago to remove THEI programs out of our
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  Speaker 5: universities and for us to address these concepts, particularly in
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  Speaker 5: our general education crisculum, because that's where the real threat
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  Speaker 5: on indoctrination occurs. In general education, students have to take
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  Speaker 5: these courses. They don't have a choice. So it's one
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  Speaker 5: thing if you want to go major in one of
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  Speaker 5: these concepts or majors or programs that have these theories
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  Speaker 5: in them, but a student shouldn't be forced to sit
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  Speaker 5: through this in order to complete their general education Crichlum.
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  Speaker 5: The statute removes these concepts out of general education crism
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  Speaker 5: and so in State of Florida, you're going to be
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  Speaker 5: able to complete your general education curriculum without being exposed
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  Speaker 5: to any left wing in doctrination there.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but Chancellor, is there a process for students
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  Speaker 4: that are still being exposed to this type of thing
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  Speaker 4: where they're they're required to agree with certain principles or
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  Speaker 4: their papers don't get graded or they get just raked
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  Speaker 4: over the coals with the grading curricu the grading model
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  Speaker 4: that's being used. Is there a way for these professors
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  Speaker 4: because they're still out there and they brag about being
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  Speaker 4: out there, How are they.
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  Speaker 5: Reported, that's a good question. I'm going to give you
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  Speaker 5: two things. The first is within that legislation that requires
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  Speaker 5: these concepts to be removed out of general education crisculum,
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  Speaker 5: there there's a caricter and a stick, and the stick
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  Speaker 5: is if the university is found to have these concepts
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  Speaker 5: in general education and to continue in doctrination, the university
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  Speaker 5: is subject to losing their performance space funding. In Flora,
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  Speaker 5: the appropriations that we receive, and I mentioned earlier how
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  Speaker 5: they've gone up nearly three hundred percent, are all appropriated
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  Speaker 5: through the prism of performance based funding. So that is
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  Speaker 5: a significant threat to universities that they absolutely, from a
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  Speaker 5: leadership perspective, will be seeking to avoid. The second thing
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  Speaker 5: I want to share with you, and this is also
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  Speaker 5: something that makes Florida unique, is that every year we
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  Speaker 5: survey all of our students on the concepts of viewpoint,
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  Speaker 5: diversity and intellectual freedom. And this year we just completed
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  Speaker 5: what is the largest voluntary survey that's been done in
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  Speaker 5: higher education in the history of the United States, because
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  Speaker 5: our system is so large and the results that came
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  Speaker 5: back were very encouraging and that the overwhelming majority of
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  Speaker 5: our students believe in their classrooms that viewpoint diversity is
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  Speaker 5: presented and that intellectual freedom is encouraged, and we're going
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  Speaker 5: to continue measuring that every single year. If a student
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  Speaker 5: is in a classroom and they are being exposed to
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  Speaker 5: these concepts, then they have the ability to report that,
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  Speaker 5: and I can guarantee you the university is going to
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  Speaker 5: take action, because no university is going to risk losing
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  Speaker 5: their performance space funding.
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