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The Why Not Today? Podcast - Season 2 - Episode 17 with Liz Greaven · Why Not Today? with Leslie Kane

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  Hello, my name is Leslie and I am the host of the Why Not Today podcast.
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  This is a podcast to celebrate people who have been courageous and said, why not today?
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  I started the podcast in honor of my father, Patrick Kane, who often did say, why not today?
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  I'm based in Reston, Virginia, a planned community right outside of Washington, DC, and thanks
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  for joining us today.
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  So I'm really excited about my guests today, that we had a great conversation the other
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  day about different subjects.
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  I'm like, oh my goodness, you need to be on this podcast.
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  And so Liz, is it pronounced Grieven?
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  Yeah.
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  Nailed it.
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  Yay.
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  So we met at Smith Mountain Lake that if you've listened to the podcast at all, that's one
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  of my places to hang and go.
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  And it was definitely a Godwink introduction.
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  Like I walked into my friend, Stor J. Bond, who's been a guest on the podcast, and you
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  were there and just we were talking and assuming we knew each other.
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  And then I think a couple of days later, walked into another coffee shop and there you were
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  again.
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  And just like, we need to connect.
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  So we connected on social media and I just was watching things you're posting.
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  I'm like, okay, there is a story behind this girl and I need to know it and we need to
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  be friends.
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  And even though I'm not at the lake right now, we're in separate places in Virginia,
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  but we still could be friends.
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  And we're talking about some power sessions and all kinds of fun things.
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  So I'm really excited just to have this conversation with you, Liz, and share some of your why
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  not today moments.
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  And it's kind of opposite of a lot of what people on my podcast we've talked about.
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  And you are Liz Greven and not a company, which I love and it's who you be.
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  So introduce yourself, just a quick who Liz is and a fun fact.
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  And then we'll talk about courage and all your stories.
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  Absolutely.
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  Well, first of all, thank you so much for having me.
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  It's always a pleasure getting to chat with you.
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  I am like a little butterfly.
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  I float around Smith Mountain Lake quite a bit.
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  So it's not a coincidence that we ran into each other in two different places.
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  I do have fun getting to meet all of the locals here at Smith Mountain Lake.
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  And I do consider you kind of a local even though you are in the rest.
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  Because when you are here, I do get to see you quite a bit.
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  So the story of Liz Greven, I'll give you a quick fun fact about me.
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  I have moved actually about 38 times in my life.
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  Oh my goodness.
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  And I'm young.
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  I'm in my late 30s.
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  So it's about as old as I am.
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  And they're not to different places geographically, so to speak.
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  But they're just, I've moved around a lot.
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  And some of it has been for job opportunities.
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  Other times it's been with my family.
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  Other times it's been just to start a new adventure and seek out a new opportunity.
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  So that's a fun fact about me.
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  If I think if opportunity knocks or if there is an opportunity to start something new or
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  meet new people.
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  I think it's you just kind of have to trust God that that's where you're meant to go.
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  I love you.
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  Moving and doing things for new adventures, which speaks to my heart and soul and I'm
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  always up for adventure.
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  Yeah.
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  And that's sometimes I, and that's kind of a fun fact about me is that I am very trusting
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  that there is a purpose to my life and I trust that there's something greater for me to be
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  doing.
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  One of the things that drew me to you and I just knew in our conversation, I just like
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  I knew I needed to know you and I've been really trying to be obedient to the Godwinks
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  and the meeting people and the people in my path.
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  And just, you know, it's just one of those coincidentally.
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  Just meet someone who needs to introduce you somebody else to somebody else and you know,
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  I think we need to be open to that.
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  Yeah, absolutely.
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  I know it's being such a hurry.
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  Yeah, well, I think that's that's another thing too is I think people are always in
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  such a hurry that they don't pay attention to some of the things that are handed to them
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  or put in their path.
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  Because we're always in a hurry to do things that are in art that we have planned out that
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  we don't pay attention to the things that maybe are put in put in front of us for a
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  reason or the people that are put in front of us for a reason.
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  So yeah, and I think that's one thing I like about being at Smithmount Lake because I live
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  in Northern Virginia, which can be crazy and busy and it's like a badge of courage or badge
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  of honor that you're busy.
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  And I'm from New York.
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  I'm from New York.
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  So I completely understand that.
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  So if the lake is kind of more chill, people aren't as big of a hurry.
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  You stop and talk to people and you say hello and you have a conversation and get to know
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  people.
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  And that's one of the things I love about there, whether it's you're at the coffee
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  shop or you're Jayvon store, you know, met so many people there, you just and I've got
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  a great group of friends and as you said, I don't even live there.
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  Yeah, it's beautiful.
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  Yeah, and it's a beautiful area to do that too.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  So what does courage mean to you?
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  What's your definition of courage?
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  So and it's and it's funny because I really listening to your prior podcast and some of
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  your guests, I think a lot of them have nailed it in so many different ways.
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  And I really gave this thought and I love that you asked this question.
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  So for me, it's kind of a combination of Latin, you know, you always hear that courage is,
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  you know, feeling the fear and doing it anyway.
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  And I honestly, I agree with that, but I think that people leave out, I think the most important
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  piece of that, and it's the decision part.
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  It's feeling the fear and deciding, making that decision to do something anyway, and
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  then taking the action.
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  So and I can give a personal example.
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  Like for me, it's, you know, feeling, feeling fear and what I moved down here, for example,
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  I didn't know anyone in this area.
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  I had never been to Smith Mountain Lake, and I was given the opportunity to move down here
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  from New York to Virginia to an area that I knew no one had never been here and start
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  my life basically fresh.
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  And I was petrified.
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  Because I thought, you know what, like, this is going to take a lot of courage, it's going
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  to take all of me to do this.
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  And I made the decision and I think a big part of courage is when you make a decision,
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  you invest, it goes from your heart, it goes from your head to your heart.
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  And that's where that's where courage really comes from is your heart.
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  So I think that's the biggest piece that people miss when they just, when they define courage
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  is that it involves your heart.
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  And so once you make a decision with your heart, you're fully invested and nothing can
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  stop you.
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  Totally agree.
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  You know, it's interesting just you saying that the visual that came to my mind is Wizard
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  of Oz.
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  You talked about courage and hard and I love the story behind the Wizard of Oz and the
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  symbol of all of it and how true that is.
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  Courage is making a decision which deciding is cutting off all other options.
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  It's like, okay, what are the things I'm going to do, you know, words that and I just created
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  and people can get it and sign up for my email list, courage hack that I have saved on my
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  phone as a screen saver.
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  And it's like the letter Y and then NT for why not today.
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  Basically taking the action.
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  What's that one thing and courage doesn't have to be big.
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  It doesn't have to be moving to another state.
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  Courage can just be getting up in the morning sometimes.
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  Yeah.
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  And that's so that's the other thing too is I decided to go back to school and major
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  in psychology while I was here taking care of my parents and helping out with that.
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  And I've learned so much that it sometimes for some people it is just getting up in the
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  morning.
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  It is just making that decision to say hello to someone when you have so much anxiety that
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  around social anxiety that you can't talk to people or for some people it's just leaving
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  the house because there's so much anxiety about leaving the house, especially after
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  a pandemic or interacting with people.
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  So we're in such a different place with our mental health.
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  And that's one of the reasons why I decided to go back and study psychology is that there's
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  such a you know you have people have to give themselves permission to find out where they
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  where they're at and and then.
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  Alright, those internet's breaking up a little bit.
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  Okay.
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  Okay.
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  I'm sorry about that.
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  So then what I was saying was that some days you have to take one step and use that courage
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  and then maybe it's the next day or after that a week later use two steps or three steps.
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  Yeah, and then but it's making that decision to just be be more courageous than you were
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  the day before.
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  Yeah, what do they say it takes five seconds of courage.
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  And because Mel Robbins talks about she has a great to talk about five second rule.
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  I love Robbins.
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  She's wonderful.
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  And so it's talking about when there's something you want to do from getting out of bed to
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  making that phone call to say hello to somebody you go you count down five four three two
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  one instead of going one two three four five then you can go six seven you don't do it.
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  So you know it's just making that decision.
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  So you're young and you've had a lot of life and a lot of experience and we could talk
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  about lots of stories.
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  So I know when we talked yesterday you we were talking about businesses and people that
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  we've interviewed I've interviewed and talked about they've started business or nonprofits
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  and you would be opposite and I kind of I left corporate America also but I had another
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  business to start but you left a successful business corporate to take care of family
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  which is so admirable.
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  Yeah, yeah, thank you.
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  Let's talk a little about that and the steps behind that and you know ironically when
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  I quit my job it was I did have another business behind but not knowing my dad six months later
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  would have a stroke and I would be up to be there and I had position in my life.
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  So you just never know but taking those steps which can be scary.
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  Yeah, so for me it was honestly it was petrifying.
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  You know I think that it started essentially it started with a Tony Robbins weekend that
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  I did virtually and then he talked about service and a life of service and stuff like that
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  and I realized something clicked in me there that I was very driven by my career and so
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  there was there was just that in the back of my head and but nothing really triggered
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  me yet and then I was doing great with my career and then my mom got sick and it just
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  turned it turn of events happened where it was time for me I made a decision like we
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  talked about to just kind of step away and really help out with family but the thing
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  that really triggered me the most was in 2019 I lost my aunt who had fought for the majority
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  of her life to breast cancer and for the last like two weeks of her life I was there by
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  her side day in and day out put her on hospice and was by her side watching her through that
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  and I had survived breast cancer myself so when you watch someone pass away from a cancer
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  that you have had it is a totally it puts you in a totally different mindset a totally
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  different place and so you start to realize and I think this was the biggest the biggest
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  decision for me was that you realize that there's very little time you change your focus from
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  being career driven and what's important in life to your your your front side focus needs
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  to be on the people that are important in life and that no matter whatever time you have
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  left or they have left it needs to be you know and this was just for me it could be
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  different for other people but it needs to be about who and not what.
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  Absolutely and I think that's one of the my passions with this podcast is to give people
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  courage to do those things in the last few months I have no friend at 57 that didn't
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  that was found not alive another friend this week I heard her she had a best friend at
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  44 that they found again not alive and then somebody else was telling me about somebody's
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  mother although she's in her 70s that's not that old again nobody could get in touch with
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  her so three instances where people couldn't get in touch with somebody and they were not
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  with us anymore.
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  Well right.
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  You know we're also career focused and what are we what's the next rung on the ladder
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  and and then family and life and what's important and why are we doing all these things.
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  Yeah and that's what I found my I mean my mom you know her health is not great she's wheelchair
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  bound right now and and pretty much to her bed and she has a lot of health issues especially
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  with her mobility and she's she's not even 70 yet she's in her 60s and to me she that's
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  a baby.
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  Yeah I'm almost there.
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  Yeah that's what I'm saying there's so many people there's that I know people that are
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  in their 60s were still running marathons but it's you know it's you don't know when
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  or what's going to happen in life and especially after this pandemic we had people that were
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  babies just passing away so I've learned I've lived like I said like you said I've lived
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  a lot of life in my young life and I've learned that life is really fragile so part of and
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  there's different ways you can be courageous I think you can be you know physically courageous
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  you can be spiritually courageous you can be emotionally courageous there's just different
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  ways you can be courageous and so for me part of the way that I found that I needed to be
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  courageous not just for me but for my family members was that I needed to switch from being
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  driven for myself and then wanting success for myself and really define what success
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  meant and say what is this what is this game of life really about you know like kind of
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  just shift that focus and say you know who do I show up for because 90% of life maybe
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  even 99% of life these days is showing up and who do you show up for and how do you show
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  up for them and you know you need to show up for yourself and and what does that mean
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  you know and define that and then when you show up for other people are you showing up
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  kind of part in the French half-assing it are you showing up like you know where you're
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  there but not really present or are you are you all in and when they need you to be and
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  be so key and yeah well exactly and I found that when I was showing up for my parents
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  when I was showing up for my sister and her kids when I showed up for my brother and his
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  kids even if it was on a phone call I was talk where my friends I was talking to them
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  but I was texting while I was doing it because I had stuff that I needed to get done for
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  work and yada yada yada and that just that's not who I wanted to be so you know I decided
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  I made that like we said I made the decision to do a courageous act for my life and it
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  was just to take a step back from my career and you know the catalyst was my aunt passing
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  away and and just show up go all in for the people that I cared about awesome and so I
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  was speaking to her aunt today I know we're recording this not the day the same day we're
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  going to post it but the day we're recording it happens to be your aunt's birthday it is
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  my birthday you told me today she's hanging out with my dad but you told me when I don't
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  know if it's before she passed away or earlier in life that she challenged you about courage
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  and you know I've talked about that because I think she did um so and it was it started
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  when I was super young so every summer you know everybody has that aunt or that uncle
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  or whoever that you'd go to their house you know she lived in Rhode Island right by the
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  beach by Miss Quamicate Beach so I grew up going to her house every summer for a week
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  or a weekend or whatever my parents would drop me off or she would come and get us and my
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  siblings and I and we would go and spend you know the week at Aunt Gail's house um and
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  we'd go to the beach and do all this other stuff well she would always get she'd always
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  bring us to like these exotic seafood restaurants and do all this other stuff and I would look
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  at her and I would say I don't like it she'd try to get me to eat you know whatever you
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  know calamari squid whatever it was all these weird things um and to like a you know 10
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  year old or whoever you don't want to eat squid you don't want to eat clams you don't
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  like you want chicken nuggets or french fries yeah and so I would just tell her I didn't
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  like it and she would say how do you know you don't like it if you've never had it and
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  I would just say I don't because it doesn't look right I don't like it so she challenged
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  me every single time I was with her to try something new but not just when I was with
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  her she later in life she would tell me she would say she always called me Elizabeth
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  with drove me nuts because nobody ever calls me my my full name um she would say Elizabeth
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  from now on I challenge you to try something every day that either scares you that you've
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  never done or that you think you could never do every day and then she made me promise
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  her that I would do it for the rest of my life well which was yeah and now you know
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  once she passed away too it was like crap now I really got to do it because now she's
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  going to come back and haunt me so she's watching me now so now I even if it's something super
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  small um that it's just trying a new food or trying a new coffee at the coffee house
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  or um do something that scares me talk to you know I remember in I think it was high
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  school or middle school I would go up and talk to a boy who I thought was really cute
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  and it was and I would call her and say so I did something that scared me today um but
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  it was and I knew she'd be proud of me so like I you know I always challenge my friends
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  or people and I challenge anyone who's listening to this to do that find something that scares
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  you try something new or you know just do something that you thought you could never
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  do um and do one of those things every day just pick one love it yeah I love that challenge
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  and you know they always say and I quote this often Daniel Pink wrote a book about the power
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  of regret and says you you rarely regret the things you didn't do but you or no rarely
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  regret things you did but not the things you didn't do didn't do like you know make the
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  bold move so another thing we talked about the other day is your I mean breast cancer
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  was a major health challenge but the other one that we talked about yesterday and the
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  other day was with walking simple and yesterday you told me you had to kind of have a whole
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  mind shift around that so share a little about that yeah so um I used to run marathons um
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  and I bless you at the runner what's that God bless you not me it's just a lot of steps
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  it's just a lot of steps in a row that's all it is the correct thing I was talking to somebody
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  yesterday who was working in a facility with adults with disabilities and this woman who
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  was 57 years old so younger than me was paralyzed from the neck down from from a I think a hiking
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  something rock climbing but she had at age 50 decided to do marathons and did I think
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  50 marathons and this man that was talking to her totally able bodied and he goes I'm
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  so you know I think her name was Valerie's like that's amazing I could never do that
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  and he's like what am I saying this woman who is totally you know disabled and can't
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  move paralyzed and I'm saying that so he said he did it and we'd like prom promised her
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  and raised like $10,000 and you know but it's like okay you can do it you just so that's
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  my love side never got that people limit themselves in their own minds and it's amazing the things
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  you can do if you ready decide right the theme all right yeah right marathons so um I used
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  to run marathons and I was like this great athlete and all this other stuff so my whole
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  life ever since I was you know probably came out of the I probably came out of the you
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  know the womb running at this point I was just super active my whole life and I was
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  at college waking up to run with one of the cross country runners and because we always
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  went on our morning runs at some you know zero dark ugly and I went to get out of bed
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  and couldn't walk I literally just I had lost function of my right leg and my I had no flexion
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  extension in my foot I couldn't use my foot at all and I had this horrible pain up and
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  down my entire leg my right leg and so I called my my one friend who was a paramedic on campus
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  and he came rushing over and he was a he was an ex he's in the Navy X Marine kind of thing
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  so he was a medic a field medic and he came rushing over to my dorm room and I remember
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  him being like I don't know what's wrong with you I don't know why you can't use this like
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  so they brought me to the hospital they rushed me to a bigger huddle they did all that stuff
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  it turned out after 26 hours in the ER I got diagnosed with this rare neurological pain
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  disorder thing um which I still do have so I'm in pain pretty a level of pain pretty
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  much all the time but after four years um of off and on basically four years of of crutches
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  oh no you froze again all right you froze again oops go back you froze to oh you're
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  coming back let's see all right here's a crutches okay so on four years of crutches um basically
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  off and on um I finally had surgery at Columbia Presbyterian um in New York City to basically
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  reroute and reconstruct some of the nerve pathways in my leg and so now I am no longer I can
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  I can walk you know and I function in my leg but you know when you go from being a runner
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  and a an avid athlete and then just have that taken away for years of your life and you
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  you basically learn that you have to mourn the person you were before yes because mentally
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  you you just that person is now dead and and so mentally that takes a huge toll on you
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  and so I went through a lot of of a mental health um journey and I think with that the
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  courage piece to be able to recognize that okay I've got a mourn I have to move past
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  I can't live in the wallow in the self pity of this but this is now the is yeah you had
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  to I had to make a decision there and I learned that and um I was very thankful I leaned on
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  um I leaned on some mental health professionals in my in my life because I didn't know how
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  to handle that I didn't know all I kept saying was um and I think there's a really big lesson
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  here for people is you have to when you have to reach out for help because I didn't know
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  how to handle the fact that every single thing that I knew about myself was gone like every
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  way that I defined myself was now gone it was I was active and I was an athlete and um
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  when I got stressed I went for a run and every way that I handled everything about life was
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  physical and I couldn't do anything physical I couldn't use my legs essentially so now
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  what do I do and so I had to learn a couple new things the one thing I had to learn was
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  I'm really really smart and I'm really talented in other ways that don't involve my body so
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  I had to say okay that part of me essentially is gone it's dead so what other ways can I
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  use my body can I use my mind can I use my gifts a to give back to be successful and
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  to do the things that I want to do in this world to accomplish the things that I want
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  to do and to make myself a better person to learn and grow that don't involve any limitations
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  right what a great pivot and what a great mental shift and I love in accompanying with
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  that going back to school for psychology and mental health um because I think there's such
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  a need there's something I heard about yesterday or the other day which is the coolest thing
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  this man started a nonprofit it's called the confess project have you heard of that I haven't
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  tell me about it all right so it's the coolest thing and I would he was on the Mel Robbins
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  podcast so I don't know if I could ever get him on here but he started training beauticians
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  and barbers on mental health yeah you mentioned it yeah yeah yeah crazy like because if you
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  think about it those of you sit in the hairdressers chair and you share everything yeah and it's
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  just and the other thing I was talking to somebody about the other great way to have
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  converse hard conversations with people and I know people have kids say the best conversation
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  they ever had with their kids is when they were in the backseat of the car you're not
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  I love I know a pastor of the church he said the best way to have conversations with people
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  is side to side me and for a walk so I'm like we need some walk therapy you know that we're
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  going to have some we're having those discussions well that's one of the things that I learned
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  was my best friend and I grew up um basically brother and sister he and I were just since
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  fourth grade best friends you know doing all these great things and we would have our friendship
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  developed over going runs together he was my run partner and we would go for runs and
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  I learned so much about him um going for a run because he wouldn't he would never open
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  up to me if we were just talking right but I'd be eyeballed eyeball but no he was so
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  insecure and he was so afraid to like have that vulnerability with me but when we would
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  go for a run and we were doing something else and and his mind was somewhere else he would
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  just talk and he was next to me and then he would open up so there's something to be said
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  about you know being able to have someone be vulnerable while they're being active yeah
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  we need to all need those people that we can talk to and reach out to and unfortunately
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  a lot of people don't have those people now so anybody listen to podcast if you need that
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  person I am my phone is always I was just gonna say find me on follow so well we can
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  talk forever and ever and I know we're gonna brainstorm all kinds of fun things together
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  and do some so the Leslie Liz show is not over but how to empower what would you suggest
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  to empower somebody else to be courageous to put family first to grieve over changing
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  life to all the things we talked about so there's a there's a few points there that
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  I would make and I'm I'll touch on them quickly the first thing as far as I'm being courageous
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  I would say two things one make a decision and then jump you're going when you jump
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  you're you know if you're jumping out of a tree you're gonna hit some branches on the
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  way down you're gonna tear up your clothes it's gonna hurt but eventually you're gonna
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  fly so you just have to make the decision to jump life is crazy and it's messy and it's
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  beautiful yep so true so you just have to make this don't be afraid like there is no
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  reason to be afraid of the chaos life is chaos it's messy don't be afraid of it embrace
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  it the sooner that the sooner you embrace the messiness of life the sooner you will see
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  how beautiful it is yep and isn't it the hardest things we've gone through or have the brightest
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  shining light once you get through it and I went through that to get to that that one
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  it's funny because I look it back at some of the stuff that I have navigated my way
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  through in in my young especially my younger life and I think people are always like I
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  don't know how you got through that and I'm like a I didn't have a choice you just go
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  through it and be a I think those are some of the best things like somebody asked me
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  what's the top you know I would name what other people think are the worst things in
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  their life because I grew from them I look at them and I think I don't know I would
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  not be who I am today if I didn't if those didn't happen to me and I love who I am today
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  so um yeah and then as far as the as far as putting family first that's just a decision
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  you have to make if that's something that fits in your life if that's something that
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  you feel like you your heart is ready to have that focus um you know I think I think honestly
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  it's you need to just take time for people be present in every moment um being present
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  and and I think the biggest thing is is that put your phone away like make eye contact
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  I think I think the phone is the I miss shaking people's hands and I miss making eye contact
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  with people and I I missed doing that and now that I do that I think it is the decision
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  I ever made yeah yep she's frozen again these fun looks hopefully you'll come back miss
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  Liz something about Smith Mountain Lake internet I was just gonna say I'm on I'm on wifi like
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  literally in like a thing so can you hear me now yeah I interviewed somebody else at
• 32:59
  Smith Mountain Lake and he got to a point it's Christian Q and he got to a point he
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  was a little emotional let me cut out which his phone died but yeah technology speaking
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  about technology it's gonna mess with us so yeah so many things and we could talk forever
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  and ever and it's just making those decisions doing the things and you never know it's gonna
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  take you and so I was trying to tie back in these like how do you connect with my dad
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  and I said that to somebody one time I like well I never met your dad I'm like no you
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  didn't but you know some of your life you've had some ups and downs and he definitely did
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  on the I've had from a car accident he got into when he graduated from high school and
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  sent his life a whole different trajectory and you know look at the trajectory in the
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  path like he would that accident had to happen for me to be born because my mom lived in
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  South Bend where he moved and went to Notre Dame in college so so many things you look
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  at your life when you look back I'm like wow so glad that disaster happened so this blessing
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  can happen so yeah your courage is amazing and I knew there was a story behind you and
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  I'm looking forward to do another thing so we're gonna share in the show notes how you
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  can connect with Liz she didn't have a business but she's on social and you can find her she
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  posted some cool posts and cool stuff and as I said we're gonna do some other things
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  together so I'm excited about that so anything before we close this list you want to share
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  that we missed no I just really appreciate the time I appreciate all our conversations
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  I think I think this show is such a blessing to everyone definitely I would tell anybody
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  listening definitely go back and listen to some previous episodes because there's some
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  fantastic guests and you know Leslie's definitely got this you know such a great thing going
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  here so thanks and we're gonna yeah lots of other guests lined up and I keep meeting
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  people and just the coolest people and I'm just like oh I have to have your story on
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  the podcast so for sure for sure so if you like the podcast review it share it rate it
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  and you can find all everything about the podcast on the website why not today podcast
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  calm there's a courage hook hack you can get if you want let me know you can find me on
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  all the social media places Liz as well we do have mine's a little beat up but why not
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  today cups I have t-shirts which I'm working on some more vinyl stickers all kinds of stuff
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  because we want this to be a movement for people to be courageous and live in courage
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  and make those decisions so thank you for being my guest and there'll be more to hear
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  from this we're looking at some other fun things together so thanks again everybody
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  for listening bye