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#246 - Lamar Odom · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Bootleg cap podcast. We got a legend in here, man,
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  Speaker 1: you are a legend. Well, look I grew up watching
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  Speaker 1: you play basketball at a very high level. I'm thirty five,
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  Speaker 1: so that was like my era. You know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 1: lamar odom is here man? What's good? Bro? It's crazy?
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  Speaker 1: I just uh, just so randomly, Like last week, I
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  Speaker 1: was in Phoenix at my parents' house and I I
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  Speaker 1: pulled a lot of my old ship out of storage
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  Speaker 1: and I found the Slam magazine cover with you and
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  Speaker 1: a Darius Miles and was a cute rich on it
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  Speaker 1: that one brand, that's right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, a legendary cover. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That was my idea too, for us to way each
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  Speaker 1: other's jerseys and put them on backwards. Yeah, yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: was a It's crazy because like when you go back
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  Speaker 1: and look at the roster of like those some of
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  Speaker 1: those Clippers teams you were on, just so talented. Man,
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  Speaker 1: just like it just didn't I guess it didn't work out,
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  Speaker 1: but fuck you guys. Had you guys were deep. If
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  Speaker 1: we had, if that team would have had like one
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  Speaker 1: we the mic in front of you, Yeah, if that
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  Speaker 1: team would have had like like one veteran Yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: was like respecting the league that we could have learned
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  Speaker 1: from because everybody was young, good habits. Yeah, we was
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  Speaker 1: just out there with hooping. Yeah, it's crazy. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: how crazy was it back? Did you guys, like when
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  Speaker 1: you were playing for the Clippers, did you like know
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  Speaker 1: much about Donald Sterling being like a shithead or was
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  Speaker 1: it like you know, I mean, I knew that he
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  Speaker 1: had the reputation that he wasn't going to pay anybody cheap. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so you know, even though you're young and you understand
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  Speaker 1: the business a little bit, at that point in time
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  Speaker 1: your career, I kind of knew that I was probably
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  Speaker 1: gonna be there long because I knew that I was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, good enough to be a max paid player
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  Speaker 1: and he wasn't going he was a cheap owner. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He knew the system on out of you know, not
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  Speaker 1: win games and still come up on a plus side
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  Speaker 1: as far as making money, because that's it was like
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  Speaker 1: all about the bottom line. Man. It's like, why would
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  Speaker 1: we spend money to win a championship? I'm making money
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  Speaker 1: at then every year, stay shitty and draft players. He
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  Speaker 1: had no love for the game or for the brothers.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously obviously yeah. I mean, I'm a Son's fan and
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  Speaker 1: we've been dealing with it. Oh, the cheapest owner in
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  Speaker 1: basketball for the last Well, I feel bad for the
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  Speaker 1: Suns fans because they ain't gonna never get with probably
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  Speaker 1: which I probably deserve, probably to change the mascot. What
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  Speaker 1: does that mean? You don't like the gorilla? Nah? Do
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  Speaker 1: you think there's like some racial connotations with the Sons gorilla?
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  Speaker 1: Come on, bro? And then the thing that's funny is
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  Speaker 1: like they kind of like slicked slid that one by
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  Speaker 1: for all these years, nobody like says anything about that. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: it is random gorillas in the desert. You can't find
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  Speaker 1: any well, that's what I was gonna say. You can
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  Speaker 1: probably find a cactus or in terms of like the
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  Speaker 1: animal chosen were in Phoenix, it's the Suns. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what they say in basketball, bro, It's just like,
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  Speaker 1: come on, you think it's on purpose. But you know
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  Speaker 1: what's so really crazy about it is that it was
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  Speaker 1: a They just tried it because they wanted to get
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  Speaker 1: some They want to get the fans involved, right, and
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  Speaker 1: that's the reason why they kept it, because the fans
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  Speaker 1: loved it. But you don't think it was like Jerry Calandros,
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  Speaker 1: like not purposely trying to, I'm just saying though, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's not good representation because Phoenix is like the last
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  Speaker 1: city to recognize doctor King as a as all them
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  Speaker 1: already know. No, Phoenix has a gorilla. Okay, we do
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  Speaker 1: have some terrible histories, and it's just like how they
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  Speaker 1: change what they changed the Redskins and the Indian to
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  Speaker 1: the Commanders. Yeah, I think it's probably probably about that
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  Speaker 1: time as a woke young black man in America right now,
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  Speaker 1: and it's climate. I'm surprised Chris Paul hasn't said anything
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  Speaker 1: about it. You know what it is, man, The Son's
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  Speaker 1: gorilla is so popular in Phoenix. Yeah, I bet it is.
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  Speaker 1: I bet it is. It's like and that guy and
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  Speaker 1: the mascot is one like mascot of the year so much. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and then there's a wild crazy gorilla. He ain't like
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  Speaker 1: tanged or nothing like that. No, he's a pretty chill gorilla. Nah,
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  Speaker 1: were jumping up off the roof and all that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he's a mascot. I've been I've not I've been watching
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  Speaker 1: it though I'm hip to it. Yeah, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean. And you don't have forty two. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: I'm just looking at todes. That thing's totally different. I'm
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  Speaker 1: forty three. I respect it, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just saying, like any chance you was there
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  Speaker 1: any any discussions where every thought you might end up
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  Speaker 1: on the Suns? No? No, And it was crazy because
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  Speaker 1: when I was playing, that's something that just just went
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  Speaker 1: over my head. The Gorilla. Yeah, I think I probably
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  Speaker 1: started paying attention to it a little bit more when
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  Speaker 1: I've seen Seas doing MC yeah said he was, He's
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  Speaker 1: he's he said, is a great DJ too. He's Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: does radio and ship. He's a legend and AZ for sure,
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  Speaker 1: shout out to said, and a Lakers legend. He made Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: did make the list? Did he make the list of
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  Speaker 1: top seventy five lists? I'm not sure he's on that.
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  Speaker 1: You you were on that right? Yeah? Well, first of all, congratulations,
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  Speaker 1: because that's a big honor to be, I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: most storied franchised. I'd rather have my number retired. You
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  Speaker 1: think that's coming. I don't know, Ship, I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I'm I mean, I feel like I but
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  Speaker 1: you one thing at home, motherfucker. Get an individual Award
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  Speaker 1: and shoot, the reality showed the same season. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because you patted myself on the back,
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  Speaker 1: but you got six Man of the Year the year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I shot, I was shooting Chloe in Themore that year.
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  Speaker 1: D I forgot you guys had Chloe in the More.
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  Speaker 1: I definitely watched that, damn Yo. Just that whole like
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  Speaker 1: era of the Lakers was so wild to me because
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  Speaker 1: like I think, like you got traded for Miami, there
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  Speaker 1: was like a point in time where like Kobe was
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  Speaker 1: a little unhappy. I forget it was. I think it
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  Speaker 1: was the year before you guys got Palgasol, Right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I remember, like Phoenix Talk radio, everybody was like, yo,
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  Speaker 1: the Sons might try to trade for Kobe, and then
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  Speaker 1: it obviously didn't happen. But he probably was bluffing just
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  Speaker 1: to make things happen overnight because that Chris Paul trade,
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  Speaker 1: Like he wasn't going to Kobe would have never left LA.
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't right crazy. What was it like being on
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  Speaker 1: the team when the league shuts down the Chris Paul trade. Well,
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  Speaker 1: for me, I was happy because I was in the trade.
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  Speaker 1: You were supposed to get sent to New Orleans. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: well year, what was that like, oh, seven oh eight,
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  Speaker 1: I was eleven. I think pal Gasol was in the trade.
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  Speaker 1: Ten or eleven. You were in the trade, powers in
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  Speaker 1: the trade. It doesn't happen. David Stern shuts it down.
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  Speaker 1: You're happy, though, because you want to stay in LA. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Was that weird coming back to the team after like
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  Speaker 1: they just tried a trade or did you just kind
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  Speaker 1: of understand it was business? Nah? Shit, I ain't never
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  Speaker 1: going to I've been in LA since I was nineteen
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  Speaker 1: years old. But I just mean in terms of like
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  Speaker 1: that Chris Paul trade not happening. But you foind you
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  Speaker 1: obviously saying but you find out you're a part of
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  Speaker 1: the trade, it gets canceled. When you come back to
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  Speaker 1: the team, it's over with. There's underneath the bridge, knows
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  Speaker 1: under the water now. Yeah, I'm just happy to be
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  Speaker 1: back at that point in time. Yeah, would you? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: obviously you saw kind of like both extremes of playing
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  Speaker 1: in l A from the Clippers to the Lakers, how
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  Speaker 1: it was even though you guys were in the same building.
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  Speaker 1: Did you feel that like just the different like organizationally,
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  Speaker 1: did you feel the difference in terms of like management, culture,
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  Speaker 1: all that ship. Well, everything is different. Yeah, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean. Expectancy, The expectations are crazy like the
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  Speaker 1: Clippers to this day. You know, if they had a
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  Speaker 1: better season in Lakers knowing then they had a great season. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And also no one gives the Lakers trying to be
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  Speaker 1: the best team in the NBA. Yeah. So I think
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  Speaker 1: that's the difference in the town too. Yeah, La, it
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  Speaker 1: ain't no difference than Oh no, no no, if you live here,
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  Speaker 1: you know, nobody fucks with the clip. No they do,
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  Speaker 1: but not many people they do. Yeah, there's a there's
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  Speaker 1: a few Clipper shout that my man Clipper Daryl, Clipper,
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  Speaker 1: Darryl has something. I mean, I'm gonna be I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: keep it real with you. He's lost bets to me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep you know, shout out to my man
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  Speaker 1: Kadem Hardiston, Malcolm in the middle, like they were there
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  Speaker 1: when we was expected to lose. Uh. What's the old
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  Speaker 1: old comedian dude's name. Uh, that's always at the Clipper games,
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  Speaker 1: the old white dude. He had a sitcom. Fuck you
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  Speaker 1: know who I'm talking about, Bro, I don't know my
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  Speaker 1: rookie year, Bro, We lost twenty games in a row
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  Speaker 1: by twenty, So I mean it was average getting blown out.
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  Speaker 1: You lost twenty in a row by twenty. That's a
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  Speaker 1: total fat? Is that a fat? Is that like a record?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, Probably gott to be close to it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god? Now was that the year before? Was
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  Speaker 1: Michael allow conde arty with y'all? Yeah? Wow, that was
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: his second year? Yeah, my rookie year was his second year. Damn,
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  Speaker 1: that's great. That's terrible. Was Alvin Gentry the coach one
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: of our coaches? Oh man, that's that's that's like some
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: Detroit Lions. Shit. I mean the Clippers low k here,
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  Speaker 1: Like I feel like before Chris Paul went to the Clippers,
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  Speaker 1: I looked at the Clippers as like the worst organization
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  Speaker 1: in all sports until they got Obama, right, because the
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  Speaker 1: owner a team is going to be a reflection of
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  Speaker 1: the owner. I mean even before he sold. I mean
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  Speaker 1: when there was Blake Griffin and CP it was like, okay, cool,
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  Speaker 1: they at least they're they're good. No yah, they were
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  Speaker 1: turning around because the product they had talent, Yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, some energy and Chris Paul was a veteran. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: even though he had, you know, young Blake Griffin. That's
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. If if my team just had like
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  Speaker 1: a veteran presence, just the presence, not even the output
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  Speaker 1: on the court, right, I feel what I'm saying, just
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: to tame us off the court, help us without practice
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  Speaker 1: happiting shit like that, that team would have been made
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  Speaker 1: noise in the playoffs. How crazy was off the court?
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: Two thousand Clippers two thousand and one Clippers were y'all
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  Speaker 1: hitting the club all the time, all the time. I
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  Speaker 1: was like the kind of the leader. We used to
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  Speaker 1: go to the hotel. We used to get to the hotel,
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  Speaker 1: Me me downstairs. We would just be city. Y'all were
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  Speaker 1: in you guys just turn it out wow to the club.
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  Speaker 1: Average city. Who was like your number one, like a
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: partner in crime, be me, Jeff mcguinnis demus Q. We was.
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  Speaker 1: We used to always hang tight off the court, even
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  Speaker 1: the dudes that didn't we really even like each other.
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  Speaker 1: I think I was kind of like the bridge, you
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  Speaker 1: kind of like bridged everybody that kind of blew damn.
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  Speaker 1: I can imagine Darius Miles, Tom I mean, were all
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  Speaker 1: in La now. Everybody got it like a little men
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  Speaker 1: I was in the pocket, all into the same shit
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  Speaker 1: everybody's been to, the sneakers and girls, same ship that
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  Speaker 1: we went too. Now, Yeah, but it was new. It
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  Speaker 1: was new to you back then. Yeah yeah, out straight
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  Speaker 1: out of high school or college wherever he was at
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: a little Darius Miles got drafted out of high school.
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  Speaker 1: High school? Damn? So was he even eighteen or was
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  Speaker 1: he like he was a right, So you're just and
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  Speaker 1: I was nineteen twenty. I was twenty one. You guys
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  Speaker 1: weren't even old enough to drink. We was everywhere in
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  Speaker 1: the clubs. Are just doing hotel parties. Hotel parties? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, so in the club in the club, man,
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  Speaker 1: I ain't the NBA experience to party in your hotel.
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  Speaker 1: We was out. I can only imagine that era had
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: to be so much more fun because you have so
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: much less shit to worry about. The social media on
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  Speaker 1: that shit wasn't now, so you could you could fuck
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  Speaker 1: off and like truly fuck off and not worry about
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  Speaker 1: being on TMZ the next day or Twitter or whatever
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  Speaker 1: the fuck is. You can have fun. You can have
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  Speaker 1: innocent fun and not have to worry about being on
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  Speaker 1: because you can like not do anything. You could just
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: be out at a club and like, I just saw you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you saw. They posted a video of Lebron
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: gambling and they're trying to make it like a bad
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: thing because he was playing blackjack. I'm like, who gives
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: a fuck exactly, He's just you know what I'm saying. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta watch it back over everything. Now, do you
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  Speaker 1: find because you've been through so much, man, do you
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  Speaker 1: find yourself more calculated now? In terms of just like
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: you got I'm older, I learned, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you've been through. I'm gonna make the same mistakes. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: you feel me that I made when I was nineteen,
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  Speaker 1: that i'd be insane. Yeah, I feel I try to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, at least get better every day. You have to, man,
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  Speaker 1: I feel me, like, look, just think about it. I
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: got suspended twice for smoking wheed, so it's crazy. Probably
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  Speaker 1: cost me like thirty million dollars if I think about
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: it because of the Did it affected your next deals?
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: Because I was a free agent, you had a stigma.
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: Oh this guy smokes weed, he's he's a troublemaker. But which,
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: by the way, now we know it doesn't fucking matter.
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  Speaker 1: They don't even test for we in the NBA. It's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, you feel me. Yeah, now I'm about to
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: get paid for selling, for selling dope, they call it dope.
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: I hate that word. It's amazing. You got your own
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: weed coming out, you feel me? What's the we called?
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: It's Odham cannabis is with flight path and on the
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: first two strings it's gonna be cereal milk and nice.
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  Speaker 1: Got some dope package. How would you guys hide weed
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: back in the day when you're playing, Like, would you
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  Speaker 1: know if you were going to get pissed tested or
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: was it random? Yeah, that's what I'm saying about the
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: youth ship right right. I know that I'm getting tested
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: mm hmm. So and you're still doing it, but you knew, Yeah,
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: you were just kind of hoping that. You know what, roulette,
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: what's your career? Yeah, like, I know, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm young. I don't give a fuck it, Just like
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: it was the time where I, like, you know, I
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: like to sniff coke while playing No, no summertime, feel me.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: So let me get this straight. So during but during
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: during your basketball years, so during the summer off season,
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  Speaker 1: you would play with the coke facts. Yeah, no, I
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  Speaker 1: mean at forty three, like, I don't even really I
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  Speaker 1: don't even really fuck with no hard drugs. Now you
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  Speaker 1: feel what I'm saying. But wow, I'm forty three. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you got so much shit out there. You got just
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  Speaker 1: fat and a ship like that high. So after fifteen
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  Speaker 1: minutes a high, is it worth Well? That's the thing
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  Speaker 1: about my liking is like, you got to keep doing it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's like if you you don't have to, but you're
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: gonna want to. No, right, because like you said, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't last long. So if you do it and you're out,
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: and you're out, you're having a night, You're gonna keep
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: doing it. Facts. If it's around what year, how far
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: into your career did you start fucking with coke? My
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: son passed away in two thousand and six, so when
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: you're in the Lakers. Yeah, do you think that that
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: was a direct result of you dealing with the pain
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  Speaker 1: from losing your I don't know. I could have been.
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  Speaker 1: It just probably was. I just chose that time to party,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, made the wrong decision. That
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  Speaker 1: shit opened up a demon. Yeah, but I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I regret having to learn about myself in that way.
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  Speaker 1: I regret that I you know, that I had that
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  Speaker 1: strong urge of addiction that way you feel me. I'm
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: such a hard I mean, that's something that you never
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: get over either. Man losing a kid. Yeah, no, that's
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  Speaker 1: the opposite of our life cycle, right. We don't think
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: that we're supposed to bury our children. Our children supposed
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: to bury us exactly. Man's that's tough. That's definitely tough. Man.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Have you ever because you know, obviously you've dealt with addiction.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: I know people who have done like ayahuasca retreats to
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  Speaker 1: try to like breakthrough. So I did. I did something
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: that's something similar to that I did iber game. What's
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  Speaker 1: that It's a plant Medicine's supposed to be like the
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  Speaker 1: strongest psychedelic Yeah, psychedelic medicine. And I'm sorry. I did
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  Speaker 1: a lot of drugs in my life. And that ship
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: was that shit was so strong. I was I was.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: I was sitting there like and it was hitting me.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I was like, God, please have this ship stop? Was
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: everything visual? Yeah, I got to So, you know, plant
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  Speaker 1: medicine is really spiritual of course. Yeah. I know people
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  Speaker 1: who say that they're atheists and then they did d
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  Speaker 1: M T or they did ayahuasca, and now I believe
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  Speaker 1: in God because they're like so they say that the
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: first vision that you're gonna see is probably like the
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  Speaker 1: closest person in your family. So over my eyes and
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: I see my cousin Sierra, who I kind of like
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  Speaker 1: raised her. And I kept hearing my mother voice, my
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  Speaker 1: back to the interview. You ever fuck with shrooms? You
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  Speaker 1: know what? Every time I done shrooms, they never really
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  Speaker 1: like well, because you're a big dude man, So when
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  Speaker 1: you do, they never like really hit me or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that. I think it's because you just didn't eat enough,
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  Speaker 1: in like a milkshake or something. No not, I mean
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  Speaker 1: you could eat them. I have them in gummies. There's chocolate,
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  Speaker 1: they got gummies yeah yeah, or fire yeah. I mean
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  Speaker 1: feel like psychedelics like low key for people who deal
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: with addiction or just have like you know, shit, they
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: need to work out. I feel like psychedelics is like
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• 20:47
  Speaker 1: a drug, but like, what is a drug. It's a
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: drug according to the government. Yeah, whatever the fuck that means.
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  Speaker 1: Like you just said you used to get fined for
• 20:55
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  Speaker 1: the name is? Hell, Yeah, and you have a pepsi here,
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  Speaker 1: It's like, man, I was listening to Griselda before everybody
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  Speaker 1: from Jamaica, right, yeah? Making sure? I don't know where
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  Speaker 1: We go to some little spot a date. Yeah yeah, nice,
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  Speaker 1: what'd you think? I don't know nice? I see no stair.
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  Speaker 1: I had to pull up. I had to get a
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  Speaker 1: er that night, my Duke, I got to see Prince
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  Speaker 1: Playter's Crib. What the fuck? So in the same night
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  Speaker 1: you're with Taraji p Henson. On a day you go
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• 24:27
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  Speaker 1: called ghost Dog Fire. Uh Samurai, Yeah Forred Whittaker. He's
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  Speaker 1: Prince perform the same night at his house? Was nas
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: at his house? Did you close the deal with Taraji
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: p Henson that night? Was like you guys were together.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't know you were with her, but look you
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: got a h It's a serious resume that lamar Odams
• 25:02
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  Speaker 1: nineteen man, what about like back in the day before
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  Speaker 1: there's only fans, before there's I G chicks, there was
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: like the chicks who would make it on like King magazine,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: right like the Glory of Aless what was that one girl?
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  Speaker 1: What's the rose now before her? Vita Gerra? You know
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: what I'm guragu about that. I think because of who
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• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I have really access to everybody I was. I wasn't
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: out like looking for somebody. Oh when I see him,
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  Speaker 1: if I bumped at it or whatever and I got
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  Speaker 1: to kick it to it, yeah whatever, you know what
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• 25:54
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  Speaker 1: all the especially nowadays, you can't hit a girl up directly.
• 26:03
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• 26:05
  Speaker 1: they'll just screenshot it every time I hit a girl.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I when we're walking out verbiage, you gotta be careful
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: and let me don't sound let me don't sound. Two
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: thirsty or too aggressive because and get flipped. It definitely
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: could get fliped. Hey tell me this. You've played with
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  Speaker 1: some great players, some amazing players. Who is your starting
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: five teammates that you've played with throughout your career and
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: and on the same team. No, no, no, throughout your
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: whole career. You had to assemble a starting five. You're
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: not on the team though, mm hm Grant, mm hmm,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I am a soon, Kobe, of course, Lebron Pole. Wait wait,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about guys you played with your teammates, they're
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: all play on the Lakers with all played with at
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: one time throughout your career. And you played with that
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: one time. It was all on my team one time.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Lebron USA, Durant USA, Okay take the USA. Shout out, Kobe.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Let's go through Miami, Kobe Dallas, Kobe Pal, Kobe Pal,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Dwayne Wade, Yeah, Duck whisky fuck. Yeah, this is a
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: great team. Kobe. You kind of well, you don't necessarily
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: need a Kobe. You had Jason Kidd on that, Max,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Dwayne Wade, Derkcardo. Oh, you had Vince on the Yeah,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: you put Vince over Jason Kidd. Yeah, I know, I
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: got time or not overall? Right, at that time, that's
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: a hell of it. You play hard, that's all to say, though, Yeah,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: and then you're the sixth man. Whatever you want to
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: take it. Yeah, that's crazy, that'd be that'd be a
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: pretty wild Yo. What how crazy? Take me to the
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: eighty two point game? Kobe night you were there eighty
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: one or eighty one? Why do I say eighty eighty two?
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Is the amount of games that get played? The eighty
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: one point game though against the Raptors, where he was
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: just I mean a legendary night man. What was that
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: was the reason why that coach it's not coaching anymore.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Who was the coach? Sam Mitchell? Oh yeah, he's former
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: the wolf back in the day. The whole time, I'm like, yo,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: double team, I wanted to play. He ain't even change
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: the defense. He adn't change he ain't make no adjustment.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Hm hm no, joon right, we just don't sit there
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: and just let him just talk to your team. It's
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: pretty crazy. Jalen Rose forever will be known as, I mean,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: an amazing guy, but also the guy who was guarding
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Kobe most of that game, gave him and we was
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: down twenty five that game. Really, you know, it's crazy
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: about that game, Like I don't seen Kobe like hit
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: some like incredible shots shit that you can't imagine. And
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: just that shit was just like basic Kobe in that game.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Just well yeah, just well just basic. Everything was like
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: well mostly two foot wasn't no one leg runners, you know,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: a couple of fataways handing there, but it shit was
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: just basic basketball. If you think about him, you always
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: hear like people say, Kobe could could be difficult to
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: play with because he held everyone extremely account Yeah he's
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: you know, he's sick. Yeah, he's like a sick competitive guy. Yeah,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: you know, he didn't it was hard for him to
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: get along with guys that you know, didn't want it
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: as bad as he did. Right, You come from losing culture.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: You spent the year in Miami, decent team obviously with
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: a young d Wade. You get to the Lakers, it's
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: like Kobe have a chat with you, like a sh
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: It's different now, No, But I knew Kobe before before
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: the before we came into the league. Kind of was
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: raised in the same au environment. So it came through
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: up in the Adida circuit with Sonny with Carol, but
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: playing with him is got to be different, right, because
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: it's like yo, Yeah, but even before that he came
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: to I remember I played against him in the NBA camp.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: The NBA had the best at top one hundred camp,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: and I remember in this true story, I remember he was.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: He came walking on we had at Princeton. I remember, Hm,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I can't remember he came walking on on the campus.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: I remember we had on shades. This motherfucker had on.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: He had a briefcase with him. What was in the
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: brief I don't know, homework, I don't know. But I
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: was just like, you know, motherfucker's seventeen years old, six
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: eighteen years old. We got a briefcase with him. Like
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: he just looked real serious, right, And do you feel
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: like playing with him kind of helped make you kind
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: of like force you to kind of grow up a
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: little bit. No, It made me take my you know,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: my career. It made me Yeah, made me shoot for
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: a championship. Yeah, you know, so practice at ten, you
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Eight practice over at twelve. I'm
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: not leaving three every day, Damn you feel me? So, man,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I could say he but see like he instilled that
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: with me. He didn't have to say nothing. I got
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: common sense. I'm like, this motherfucker's the bast motherfucking league.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: If this is what he doing to stay sharp, I
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: think if I should, probably I could play. You know,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I got the talent enough to hang out with him
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: on my own. But if I just follow and take
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: a little bit or what he doing, the habits the behave, Yeah,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: maybe some of that star that's a fall off on me. Yeah,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: because a lot of people have the talent, but it's
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: the other ship. Always the other ship. Talently gonna take
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: you so far. But but talent you could get off.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: But talent you can probably get away. You know, three
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: to fifteen games, you get the talent, but if you
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: want to forty fifty sixty games or the same ship
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: being consistent, you're gonna have to work. Yeah. Yo, let
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  Speaker 1: me ask you this as somebody who has, like you
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: said earlier, you know, obviously you struggle with addiction when
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: you see guys who are former players that are in
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: similar situations. I just saw. I'm trying to think, what's
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: the name of the guy Delante west is? I mean,
• 33:09
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• 33:12
  Speaker 1: He's still after that. Yeah, I don't know what's going
• 33:14
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  Speaker 1: doing the greatest. But a lot of that ship is
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  Speaker 1: mental health. I didn't say to you, like I never
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• 33:24
  Speaker 1: using drugs is kind of like they all tied in
• 33:28
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• 33:31
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• 33:39
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• 33:57
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• 34:03
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• 34:10
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• 34:16
  Speaker 1: really getting low? Yeah, man, Look, I think that that's everyone.
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• 34:39
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  Speaker 1: in this crack? Basically? Yeah? You know what's the difference
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• 35:14
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• 35:27
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• 35:47
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  Speaker 1: get back to the interview. Was that what what was
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: that that? You know, obviously you almost lost your life.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: It was very public. And think about that I did,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: and you know, I'm admitting to you doing drugs you
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: know in the hood that you would never do, right.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: I didn't do drugs that night, though, really, So what
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: was was it? Were you on viag or some shit?
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I was. I was going to have
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: sex that night, you know what I'm saying. So I
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: was preparing that night because you had cardiac arress. Right,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: I had everything. Yeah, I was under I had twelve
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: strokes and six heart attacks. Jesus, And so what what
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: brought that? On? The drugs that they slipped me? I
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: guess oh they slipped you some shit. Yeah, and as
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: a you know, as a drug addict, I was like,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: I wish you had told me what it was, because
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: that had to be some good ship to lay me
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: down for three days? Right. I woke up. I couldn't
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: walk or talk nothing. No, I remember, dude, it was scary. Yeah.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: I think the scariest part for me was not being
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: able to talk. That's got to be frustrating. You can't communicate,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: you know, that's got to be crazy. He was extremely humbling.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, just thinking about it, I'm two time NBA champion,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Lamar old them feel me. I'm laying and see the sign. No,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: I can't even hold my biweles my geeyeh. Nurses coming
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: and changed me every three or four hours. Right, the man,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: do you feel like that it sometimes, cause you know,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: I grew up in a family with a lot of
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: drug addicts very close to me, and I almost feel
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: like you almost have to hit a certain rock bottom
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: before you kind of get woken up a bit or
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: really truly evaluate your ship. Do you feel like that?
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: That was kind of like a But for me it
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: was confusing because I'm like, damn, I don't even do
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: drugs that night. But I think for me that ultimately
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: was wound up being like to you know, it's those
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: gas station dick pills man. The way I think that,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I think that was the one that shit that made
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: me like, yo, you know, you could lose your life.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: I got too much to lift for. Yeah, you can
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: lose your life. Just live in a certain way. Man.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: My daughter's twenty four. That's crazy. You got some grown
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: ass children. Man, it's wild bro. You do, man, you do.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: It's been dope just to see kind of like the
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: redemption story. Man, I saw the story. Uh, when you
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: were down bad obviously, you know you had to auction
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: your rings off and the guy came up to you
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: at the Laker game and he just gave him back
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: to you. Right, crazy because it's a fan that all
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: them wrapped up right many thousands of times. And they
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: seen me at your first Laker game and he was like,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: lamar got him. I'm like, God, what we're talking about? Yeah?
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: It was like, I gotta get some ships fucking back
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: where it belong. Like, what are you talking about? It's
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: like the fucking rings, bro, I'm like, oh ship. He
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna, you know, give you a a
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: day where you could come get him. I went back
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: the next day. Hmm, I ain't take them off since
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: that shit's amazing. And the fact that man that for nothing,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: he didn't ask for nothing because he paid good money
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: for the rings, like I mean, they ended up selling
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: for like a serious This is my man, France. I'm
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: gonna call him France. Shout out to him. Shout out
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: to France. Solid fucking guy. Solid for sure for sure. Yo.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Obviously Kobe meant a lot to you. His death is
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: probably the most like traumatic, unexpected. I didn't know Kobe Bryant.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: I'm a basketball fan tho, you know, and that ship
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: really fucked me up for you, man, you know, was
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Kobe always there for you even through the low times
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: because you you obviously had a lot of a lot
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: of low Yeah, oh yeah, sure, I take a short
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: fucking mhm. Maybe talking about being an addict, you know
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So when I was playing right, I
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: never like gambled like heavy like that. What else I doing?
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: I'm out the NBA. Yeah, I'm not making the money
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: I used to make. I fucking pick up a gambling addiction.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: The worst? How bad? Was it? Really bad? So I'm
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: gonna tell you why I got bad, really bad? Cut
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: that whole that that's a straight line, or because she
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: lets you fuck who you thinking's gonna be all sweet
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: like that all the time? There? Oh yes, I've been there.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: There's nothing like that's all sweet all time. Remember the
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: first time I was like, well, maybe get into heavy,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I was in. I was in flawed at the hard
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: rock me and my man leaning free car us a Dad.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: I started for like no bullshit, like twenty five hundred.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I ranted all the way up to like sixty K
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: that night, And it's to me, it was no better
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: feeling th going upstairs, taking your money, putting it into
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: safe You're like, gosh, damn, that's all it takes one
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: of those nights. Unleast it unleast the same deeming like
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: that cocaine untleast man. So make a long story short,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I'm in a hole like I can't get myself out
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: of it. I'm I don't got the money to pay it. Hm,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, That's what I'm like, the
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: fuck i'm'na do? So everybody know Kobe was like an
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: extra frugal motherfucker. Right. Uh, I'm like, I'm know, I'm
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I think I might have to make the call this motherfuck.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I'm like, God, I know, I'm i'm'a get cursed out.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: What the fuck do you doing? That? Low called him
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: after he cursed me out? What the fuck you doing? Ll?
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: So you'll just have your people call my people. So
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: he got you at your gambling hall? Facts? How deep
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: were you in? Really deep? Can you give us the
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: number north of six figures? Yeah? So when you're in
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: like a gambling hole, is that like you're using bookies
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: or you like, no, I'm not, I'm using my money
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: to get out. I don't want to use no booky
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: or what was your game? Blank? Oh? Yeah? See Roulette?
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: I love Herlette like Roulette love her. Let you know
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: what's fucked up about roulette is you'll fucking get to
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: a table and you'll see, Like you always think that
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: there's a strategy to roulette, but there isn't. Now there's
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: ways you could play it. Increase your chance to play
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: roulette at in Vegas lets. I play roulette everywhere I go. Yeah,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: I like Roulette and craps. But what I do is,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: I'll bet. You know how you could bet the outside
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: the thirds, So I'll bet two of the thirds at
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: the same time, and if one of those hits, I
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: win because they pay two to one, you know, So
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: if I put ten on each one and one of
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: the two hits, I win ten dollars in profit. If
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: I lose, I triple up that bet on two, and
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: you keep tripling every time you lose, and then it's
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: it's a strategy. It works, but it's also if you
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: get on a losing streak, you're like, you could be
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: fucking asked out nless, You're like, yeah, I love roulette though,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: that's amazing, So you discovered gambling. Gambling fucking gets to
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: the point where your six figures in the hole, I
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: ain't got nobody call it but Kobe right, and Kobe
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: saves the day. The cheapest me and now I know
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: probably wow, and like, that's not an easy call to make.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Could be called one of the greatest players of all time.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: I got Prid, one of my closest friends, and ask
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: him for some money. Did he make you pay it back?
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: He was a great businessman, you know that. Yeah, so
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: you had to pay it back of course? Well, I
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: mean you did pay it back of course. Nice and
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: interest nah nah wow. Shout out to Kobe save the
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: day man. That's crazy. Where like, like for you? Would
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: you say that at his death? You know, because I
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: think it was very like like I said, dude, just
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: for America. It was right before the pandemic too. How
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: did I mean just for you? Man? Like, how did
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: it hit you? Where were you at when you found
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: out about the news? I was in Atlanta. I was
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: in Atlanta and I know the man. So I was
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: told me plicopy cras. I was like, oh yeah, I
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: just jumped out land on his feet. Yeah. I didn't
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: think it was that bad. The funny my man that
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I was with, he started throwing up. Wow, he don't
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: even know Kobe. This this is what I'm thinking to myself.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, he's throwing up him, you know, being
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: it's cooky. It's like one of those things that I
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: think probably because the way it happened, they don't even
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: really seem like real. It's the way to me, it's
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: the way it happened because it was now accident and
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: his daughter them. We know that he's not here right obviously,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Right, but it just don't
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: really seem real, you know, it's it's it's pretty wild.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: It's definitely. Yeah. Like I said, man, as a basketball
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: fan and I'm a Laker hater, I grew up rooting
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: against Kobe and that ship. I was like, well, I've
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: watched this dude my whole fucking childhood. Like I played
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: this motherfucker like like like I didn't know him, but
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I felt like I knew him, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: it was, it was. It was a big loss, man,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: definitely crazy. Hey which ring for you met the most?
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Which year twenty ten because it was the Celtics. M
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: they fucking shook our bus two thousand and eight when
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: they beat us about forty or whatever. Yeah, they won't
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: even was leave the fucking arena. That would have been
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: the year that you beat my Phoenix Sons in the
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Western Conference finals or no, that was No, I think
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: you weren't on the team. I think that was twenty
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: twelve the Lakers beat the Sons in the West. Yeah,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: I think I don't think you're on the team. I
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: don't think it was. Yeah, that was uh that even
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: though we did beat the Suns one year in the playliffs,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I mean the Steve Nash, right, I mean we also
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: beat y'all when you guys were those eighty three one
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: the eight the eight seed days? What was up three
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: one area? Yeah, in the first round and we came back.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Who did Steve Nash? Tim Thomas at the tree, Tim,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I was there, la, Yeah, I was, I was out,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: I was ore. Yeah, yo. Tim Thomas was also solid
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: on the Clippers for a little bit. But Tim Thomas
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: was fucking beasts. He made some big shots for us.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Oh no, no no, no, I don't think he was on
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: the Clippers. He he hit a shot against the Clippers though,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: in the playoffs US. Tim Thomas in high school was beast.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: He was the same size. That's crazy. How tall are
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: you six ' ten? Yeah, he was the same size
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: in high school. That's crazy. Now for you outside of yourself,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: who's the greatest six man of all time? Michael Cooper? Okay,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: then Jamal Crawford. Jamal Crawford, Man, I'll say Michael Cooper
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: first because impact the game, right. If Jamal Crawford is
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: off that night, then true, he was a he was
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: a real like streaky guy, of course, but when he
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: was on full put fifty up for everybody he played for.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: He played, he played for the Suns a few years ago.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Put fifty. Well, he's tough though, yeah. And then and
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: then do we put Lou Williams in there anywhere? Because Lousa,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: you know, one of the best six minutes. Yeah, this
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: day and age. Yeah, shout out to Lou. Yeah. What
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: about shout out to Louver for living with two women? Yeah,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: he's got the the double girlfriend thing going. Could you
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: ever do that? I wish I would have did, as
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: long as an NBA would have been made more sense
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: than anything else than lying. Mmmmm. I wasn't mature enough
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: to do it. If I could have did it. I
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: feel like if you're a woman who dates an NBA player,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: I feel like you kind of have to know what
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: you're signing. Up for right, How about if you're a
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: woman that dates a man. Mmmm, you want to get
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: real with it? I can't get real with it. You're married, Yeah,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: shout out to my wife, shout to white people. But now,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: but in terms of like, yo, if somebody's on the road, uh,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: forty one dates a year, right, one would expect millionaires
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: traveling the planet would have some wild situations that are
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: almost unavoidable as a man. But I was messing with
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: one woman at the time when I was playing the NBA,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: and she said, the difference between me and you, Lamar,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: is that you entertained the ship like men. We walk
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: outside with our men the oosit you h hand on
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: our dick like I'm gonna get laid tonight. Yeah. Women,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: imagine if you imagine what women walked outside like that,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: And there's all something that do walk outside like that,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: but not stereotypically that's true? Was there was? It? Was
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: it like did you guys know like certain chicks in
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: certain cities that like just everybody kind of ran through
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: like the like, because I I swear to God, bro
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: I know four or five bitches in Phoenix, Arizona, Scott
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Steele and they fucked every NBA All Star imaginable. Uh,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, did you know? I mean, there's some
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: women that make they sam available like that, but you
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: know some of them are probably gonna get married to
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: one of them one of the NBA playoffs. He ain't
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: gonna know they're trying. Did you ever see guys beef
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: out over chicks? Most NBA players. When you see an
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: NBA dude and ay, like they beefing for no reason,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: like how do not get out of control? It's probably
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: mostly over all the time over. Did you ever beef
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: with anybody over a chick? Nah? Was there somebody who
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: you had, like some actual like, Yo, I fucking don't
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: like this guy. I'm giving him hard fouls because I
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: was fucking this girl or something like that. No, no no, no,
• 53:43
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  Speaker 1: get back to the interview. I mean, sometimes competition could
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: be that intense. So who did you like not fuck with,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: like when you were playing, not not personally, I just mean, like, yo,
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: for example, I'm a fan. I can't funk with Pat
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Beverley because what he did to Chris Paul, you know,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: when he fucking hit him in the back a couple
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: of years ago. Because I'm a Sun's fan. I'm saying, like,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: who did you like? Who was like your phone? I
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: ain't never really have no like like if it was
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: you know, if it was you know, beef, it was
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: just beef off of we respected each other like, I
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: ain't like, I don't funk. I ain't never really have
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: that type of who is dudes where I'm looking to
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: take your head off, even like even a dudes from
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: this let me see that. You gotta have a Celtics guy,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: huh Tony Allen maybe yeah, yeah, okay, but okay, okay.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: What I'm saying like, I don't funk with him. It's
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: like more of a like on a court, of course,
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: That's what I mean. I don't with him. I ain't
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: like off the court because Tony Allen was, but like
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: poor piss, I ain't like poor piss. Yeah you know
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: what I mean. If he was off the pick and roll,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: if I could trip him or something like that to
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: make him let him fall off, I would do it.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: And he's still petty as hell. He lebron every time
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: he gets a chance. Yeah yeah, Paul Pierce. You know
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: he had to get Ray Allen and KG you know,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: you know What I mean when that happened was that
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: was like the eighth nine season they win the first year,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: did you guys like because that was I know everybody
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: talks about Lebron going to Miami, but to me, the
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: real first like super team of that. They've been doing
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: that ship well, they've been doing it, but I'm talking
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: about that era when Ray Allen and KG went to
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: the Celtics and won it. They went from worst team
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: to the best team. Yeah, that's how it happens. When
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: your team get better and the only one day players
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: that hate on it make your team better. Motherfucker get
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: in the gym. Yeah, but I'm saying when when when
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: the Celtics formed that trio and obviously that Rondo is
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: a rookie, but like that was great for basketball, was great,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Like you guys were excited for it. Yeah, you're not
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: gonna always be one too. Yeah, look at Larry Bird Magic. No,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: we had Larry Bird, Michel Parish, they had Magic Worthy,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Kareem right. Those was like, oh my god, they got
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: a super team. Those are super teams for sure what
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, but it was expected. If you're the GM
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: of the Lakers, how do you fix this year, or
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: just fix the team in general. There's not a lot
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: of assets, seems to be. Roba lincould put together a
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: pretty shitty roster. But you know it's another hearing r there.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: If you had his job, what would you do differently?
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: It depends on what my goal was. If the goal
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: was to win, like right now, if I had to
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: win more games right right now, then you probably have
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: to make a drastic change. Then the drastic change they
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: probably would have to make. The Probably people wouldn't probably
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: even be get into fathom what the draft to change
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: would be. Here's how I traded in Lebron. So you
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: would trade le Bron? I'm saying I wouldn't do it.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Would I wouldn't do it? But saying if I went
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: to the gym, if my responsibility was to make the
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: team better right now, how would that make it? I mean,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: as you have to because you have to get better players,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: and you can get two to three players right now,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: So why not trade a d? Oh, you can trade
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: a d They gotta trade, I would think because from
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Lebron you probably would get more for him because he's Lebron.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: He's going to change the culture to your for your
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: organization for the next two or three years. Maybe you haven't. Yeah,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: I mean he's got a small one. I feel like
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: a D. I think teams would probably be scared to
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: take a D because he ain't played eighty two games
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: the last two seasons. And you brought up trade Lebron.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: I would never trade Lebron personally. I called him gard James,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Lebron or Jordan? Who's the wold? You Michael Jordan? I
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: think you're wrong, but that's not here. They got me wrong.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: I love Jordan's up there. You Jordan's my favorite. You
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: didn't get to see Michael Jordan. Of course as a child.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: I have his posters all over my wall. But I
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: still just think Lebron's better. He's been doing that at
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: a high level way longer than Jordan did. Think about it.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: The year that Jordan came back and played with the Wizards,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: by the way, he still was putting up buckets, almost
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: took him to the playoffs. I don't know, I don't.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: I just think I used it. I don't know. For
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: people that watched basketball the last twenty thirty years and
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: really got to see Michael Jordans, I just think that
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: the reasons why Michael Jordan is great like Lebron just
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: can't live up. Yeah, but you too, But you could
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: say the same thing about Jordan. Jordan wasn't as great
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: as a pastor as Lebron Jordan. Oh, he couldn't do
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: some things better. But I just Michael Jordan. I mean,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Lebron's in what year twenty? Yes, he's an amazing player.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: I agree with you. I agree with you, I agree
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: with you. Did you play? Just something about Michael Jordan
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: is the fact did you play? You know? And you
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: know what. It's the six rings, It's the killer, it's
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: the killer instinct, the man. You just can't really compare
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: players strictly basketball all time Lebron or Kobe Kobe Bryant
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: for the same reason why I'm picking Michael Jordan. You're
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: putting Kobe over Lebron. Yeah, I mean, he's your one
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: game I'm talking about for one game. We're talking about
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: the goat list here, Kobe Brant. You put Kobe over
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: len Cobe Bryant. And the reason why I'm I'm picking
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's I mean Kobe Bryant because Michael Jordan's he's
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: the set the ball. Yeah, and Kobe Bryant was the
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: only one that was chasing Michael Jordan's greatness, and it
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: was obvious. Yeah, I don't know man from his Walk
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: from the Fade away? Did you his win? Did you?
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: Motherfucker had eighty one points? You got when you got drafted.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Jordan was already retired, right, but then he did. He
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: come back to the Wizards while you were already in
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: the league. I got to play against Mike one year
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: one time, and I had food food poisoning, oh ship.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: So when I went on the court, I seen two Mikes.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: You really get to performance this when he was on
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: the Wizards. Yeah, in DC. Yeah, I mean, it still
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: had to be pretty cool to say it was cool,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: you got it. It was cool to meet him though.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: I met him the first time I met him in
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: Phoenix Great Place, and Mike Tyson was in the club
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: sounds about it that same night. He used to live there.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: I was in the club with Mike Tyson and Michael Jordan.
• 1:01:50
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• 1:02:00
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• 1:02:03
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• 1:02:06
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• 1:02:09
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• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, so you, by the way, a scenario
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: in which you, Mike Tyson, and Michael Jordan are in
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: the same nightclub. Let me tell you something. Yo. So
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: I'm in the club with my name Marich Taylor, and
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, mo, well, I can't stop looking at
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: this motherfucker. Hmm. I was like, I can't stop looking
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: at this fuck Like It's like he was glowing like
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: you ever seen when Chappelle said about Rick James, they
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: had like seen his aura, yeah, coming off like I
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: could really his presence was that strong. You know what's funny.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: I went to a Simba concert like a few months ago,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden behind me was Lebron James
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: and his wife And that was the same way. I
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: was just like, damn, he's with his wife bother him
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: like ship. His presence was like it was like it
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: was coming strong. Did you party with Mike Tyson it
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: all that night. I feel like that would be a
• 1:03:26
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• 1:03:32
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• 1:03:36
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• 1:03:39
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• 1:03:41
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• 1:03:44
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• 1:03:47
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• 1:03:52
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• 1:03:57
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• 1:04:01
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  Speaker 1: tell me about the craziest night of your life. That
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: was not the night we all know about where you
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: almost lost your life. Give me like peak partying, Lamar.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: Is it a bunch of women? Are you having a foursome?
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: Are you? What's going on? I think the craziest not Oh,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: I think Chloe. She came into this motherfucker hotel room
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: at the Roosevelt Okay, you and Chloe. No, I was
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: at the hotel room with some other women. Oh, she
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: came in to tell them she started beating a bitch
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: ass at the Roosevelt. So you're in the room with
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: just one or I forgot how many women. It was
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: more than one though for sure it's possibly could have
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: been more one. So Chloe finds out you're there. Yeah,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to fuck you know? I did though,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: because he's a woman. How you know which hotel? Because
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: she she probably knows people, bro, she's Chloe Corodection. She
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: probably you know, slipped the guy at the front desk.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay, so you're cheating on Chloe. She
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: shows up. What happens next, I don't know. She just
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: started fucking the girl up Jesus at the rose of
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: her hotel. I had to like get her off the girl.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: I'm starting, I'm thinking about this girl press charges right GMZ.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: But you know I got to got the got hed
• 1:05:35
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• 1:05:39
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• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: was a real one. I can't I wish I could
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: remember who it was. Mm hmm, I can't remember how
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: many times? Because you know, you and Chloe had a
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: relationship that I think was we got to watch it
• 1:05:55
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• 1:05:57
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• 1:06:00
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• 1:06:03
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• 1:06:16
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• 1:06:21
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• 1:07:45
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• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of pressure because obviously it's the most famous
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: family in the world. You know what I'm saying? Is
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: there any truth to that? Like, once you kind of
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: get into that Kardashian gang, there's just things change in
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: terms of like obviously you have a lot more eyes
• 1:08:00
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• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: Palatable's pressure. But I'm an athlete, championship athlete. If anybody
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: the hell of the pressure with me, Yeah, I didn't
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: handle the power, but you feel is there power that
• 1:08:17
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• 1:08:22
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• 1:08:25
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• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: new new ship for me when I was recovering. Damn,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: I fucked with him for that. Yeah. Yeah, Kanye seems
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, he seems like a pretty misundertood guy. Man,
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  Speaker 1: he's one of my favorite artists ever though. I got Yeah,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: so I got all his I mean, nas is my
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: favorite MC. But in terms of this listography, yeah ya, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I love yeah man. I think, Yeah, it's so crazy.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: I listen to some of his ship now I realize
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: how good it is. What what do you remember what
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: your album? He was playing you while you're in the hospital.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: What year was it? I could ribe tell you. It
• 1:09:06
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• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: of Pablo, That's what I was just to say. I
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• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: came out twenty sixteen. Yeah, that's fire shit, all the
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: new shit. That that shit woke my soul up cause
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: I was really dead at that time. I think that's
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: why I like, I kind of like a lost Chloe
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: because of my mind. I couldn't really expressed myself how
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: I was feeling, m expressed my thoughts, you know what
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, after not being able to talk, shit
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: took me a little while alone how to talk and
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: walk again. That's crazy, man. I can only imagine you
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: had to write shit down all that. Yeah, and it's
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: not like even if you write something down, you ain't
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: really getting out your thoughts, like how you wanna get
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: him out? Mmm, it's just down with the fluidity, right.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: That's crazy man. Well, look you've you've you've had a
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: hell of a redemption story that you're still doing. Man, Yeah,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: I ain't stopping. I got some the ketamine clinic. You
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: heard of ketamine. I've heard about how it can be
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: like beneficial. I don't know the details though, so maybe
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: you can. I got this these clinics coming out. Maybe
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: maybe have you tried out? Well what is it? Because
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: we heard, like I know, ketamine like the party drug.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: Got the party drug right, because people could get stuck
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: in a k hole. Done it this way and sure
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: can help with PTSD depression and addiction. Yeah, I've heard
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: about that. I think in today's society that's probably needed
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: because everybody is suffering from one or the other. After
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: we all after the pandemic just basically put us in
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: jail basically the last two years. Right, anybody not really
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: meant to do a bit? You ain't lying feeling Yeah,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: so a lot of people will state minds. So you
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: have your you you have like a kedemene clinic where
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: people can kind of safely administer it for therapeutic purposes.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: You know, it's about to I'm about to partner up
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: with AD. Is that something that you've actually done and
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: it was helpful? I don't get high, that's great, man,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: I don't think about h as fast as I think
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: about that word. Cocaine come in my mouth and leaves exactly?
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: What is like? Uh? Would you know? Workers work every
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: day in my relationship with God? Yeah, spoke my marijuana.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: That's about it. We just fine. I think I think
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: I think we all know, like we I think weed
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: and psychedelics should just you know, I don't know if
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: we can consider those drugs because they're so beneficial. Well,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: I think it's for some people. Marijuana opens the gateway.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: The gate It is true. So if you're not really
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: strong and disciplined knowledgeable about marijuana, you know what I'm saying,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: you need to know everything about it before you indulge
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: in it heavy. Yeah, I mean I know people who
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: started smoking weed then, I mean, I mean, yeah, I
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: think it's definitely a game. It's a certain truth to it.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know people. Some people that smoke weed would
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: never fuck with cocaine or anything else. You'll hardly ever
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: find somebody who's never smoked weed, but they're huge coke heads.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: Like show me that guy. Yeah, I've never smoked in
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: my life, but I love fucking coke. Yeah. That shit's crazy.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: So you don't even think about cocaine anymore. That's good, man.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: I know I don't do you do meetings? Nah, I
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: just stay close to God, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: A little kedemene sessions, Yeah, pray on it. I think
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: I understand the risk and reward you feel me, Yeah,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: comes down to that. Yeah, they do ketemine. They also
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: do You also do an m d M A like
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: a therapy. Yeah for PTSD. There's good. That party started
• 1:13:07
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• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: real thing though. Yeah. Yeah, the md m A. There's
• 1:13:15
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• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: through PTSD. Same thing with the psilocybin mushroom ship administered straighted.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: You know, uh properly, that ship is beneficial. But I
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: think that's what any drug honestly, he said, maybe not crack.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Nah, yeah, it's yeah, uh well cocaine.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think that could beneficial about cocaine. Yeah, because
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: even if you're fucking on coke, your yeah, you do
• 1:13:43
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• 1:13:46
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• 1:13:49
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• 1:13:55
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• 1:13:59
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• 1:14:24
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• 1:14:28
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• 1:14:31
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• 1:14:35
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