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- 0:05Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.
- 0:08Speaker 1: It's Thursday, November twenty eight. Chris Bowen says more renewables
- 0:13Speaker 1: means a more secure energy supply in his annual Update
- 0:17Speaker 1: to Parliament. The Climate Change Minister will also say unreliable
- 0:21Speaker 1: coal fired power stations are to blame for energy shortages
- 0:24Speaker 1: and blackouts. The Reserve Bank is unlikely to budge on
- 0:29Speaker 1: interest rates even though inflation is hovering at its lowest
- 0:32Speaker 1: level in more than three years. To read all our
- 0:36Speaker 1: experts analysis of that, go to the Australian dot com
- 0:40Speaker 1: dot U. Police officer Christian White is facing a jail
- 0:47Speaker 1: sentence after a new South Wales jury found him guilty
- 0:50Speaker 1: of the manslaughter of ninety five year old great grandmother
- 0:53Speaker 1: Claire Nowland. White tasered the elderly lady inside her nursing
- 0:57Speaker 1: home as she clutched a steak knife and a walking frame.
- 1:02Speaker 1: Today what the judge must weigh when deciding whether to
- 1:05Speaker 1: send him to prison. That's today's story.
- 1:17Speaker 2: Guilty, so says your foreman, So say you all.
- 1:22Speaker 1: This was the moment police officer Christian White was found
- 1:24Speaker 1: guilty of the manslaughter of ninety five year old nursing
- 1:27Speaker 1: home resident Claire Nowland in the New South Wales Supreme
- 1:31Speaker 1: Court in Sydney. We've used voice actors to bring you
- 1:34Speaker 1: the words spoken in court, including those of the presiding Judge,
- 1:38Speaker 1: Justice Ian Harrison.
- 1:41Speaker 3: Thank you members of the jury that completes your task
- 1:44Speaker 3: in this court. I thank you on behalf of the court.
- 1:48Speaker 3: You may now return to the jury room.
- 1:52Speaker 2: Oh, it was incredibly shocking news.
- 1:54Speaker 1: Claire. Ellie Dudley is The Australian's Legal affairs correspondent and.
- 1:59Speaker 2: I think that was one of the most striking things
- 2:01Speaker 2: when we saw that footage, when we heard the story.
- 2:04Speaker 2: Is the idea that someone couldn't disarm her, or a
- 2:07Speaker 2: working police officer couldn't deal with this situation in any
- 2:11Speaker 2: other way than by tasering her.
- 2:13Speaker 1: Something just didn't quite stack up. Four generations of Claire
- 2:19Speaker 1: Nolan's family gathered at the Deacon Oval to witness her feet.
- 2:24Speaker 1: Clare alland marked her eightieth birthday by jumping out of
- 2:28Speaker 1: a plane. Claire received a give certificate for the jump
- 2:31Speaker 1: for her birthday in February and today was the big day.
- 2:35Speaker 1: We both feet back on the ground. The Great grandmother
- 2:38Speaker 1: couldn't have been more thrilled.
- 2:40Speaker 4: Oh fantastic, Tommy.
- 2:43Speaker 2: I've always wanted to.
- 2:43Speaker 4: Do and I've done that thanks to all your kids.
- 2:48Speaker 1: Fast forward fifteen years and Clare Alland had moved to
- 2:51Speaker 1: a nursing home in her hometown of Cooma in New
- 2:54Speaker 1: South Wales. She was suffering dementia. It was at ya
- 3:00Speaker 1: Lambe Lodge in the early hours of May seventeen, twenty
- 3:03Speaker 1: twenty three, that her life came to an end.
- 3:08Speaker 3: The ninety five year old grandmother allegedly tasered by a
- 3:11Speaker 3: New South Wales police officer last week, has died, prompting
- 3:15Speaker 3: tributes from her family.
- 3:17Speaker 1: Nursing home staff called police because Claire Alland had acquired
- 3:21Speaker 1: a stake knife from the facility's kitchen and they weren't
- 3:25Speaker 1: able to take it from her. Police officer Christian White
- 3:29Speaker 1: claimed he issued a number of warnings to Claire as
- 3:32Speaker 1: she approached him with both hands on her walking frame.
- 3:37Speaker 1: A voice actor is reading the words allegedly spoken by
- 3:39Speaker 1: Christian White during the confrontation.
- 3:42Speaker 5: You could coming. You're going to get tased.
- 3:46Speaker 1: The prosecution alleged White then said bugger and discharged his taser.
- 3:52Speaker 1: Claire Awland fell backwards and hit her head on the floor.
- 3:56Speaker 1: She weighed just forty seven kilograms the time of her
- 4:00Speaker 1: death got her missus Nowland succumbed to injuries in hospital
- 4:06Speaker 1: a week later, at which point the thirty four year
- 4:09Speaker 1: old Comfortable was charged with recklessly causing River's bodily harm,
- 4:13Speaker 1: assault occasioning actual bodily harm and common assault. Those charges
- 4:18Speaker 1: were upgraded to manslaughter in December. Now, this is something
- 4:23Speaker 1: that is always difficult and controversial when a police officer
- 4:28Speaker 1: deploys deadly force. Another police officer in New South Wales
- 4:32Speaker 1: was hailed as a hero this year during the Bondi
- 4:34Speaker 1: Junction massacre for taking down an assailant. It really showed
- 4:38Speaker 1: that the stark contrast between the way two different officers
- 4:42Speaker 1: handled two different offenders, doesn't it.
- 4:44Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And I think with the Bondai Junction massacre,
- 4:47Speaker 2: the offender there was going on a stabbing rampage through
- 4:50Speaker 2: a shopping center. In this situation, you've got this incredibly
- 4:54Speaker 2: vulnerable elderly lady who's shuffling her way through a nursing home.
- 4:58Speaker 2: Watching that CCTV footage of right is so striking because
- 5:02Speaker 2: she does not seem capable of harming anybody, and so
- 5:05Speaker 2: this idea that the taser was the only way that
- 5:08Speaker 2: she could be disarmed is quite unbelievable.
- 5:14Speaker 1: White faced a two week trial in the New South
- 5:16Speaker 1: Wales Supreme Court and pleaded not guilty to the manslaughter charge.
- 5:20Speaker 1: Crown Prosecutor Brett Hatfield their Sea argued White breached his
- 5:24Speaker 1: duty of care to clan Eland and caused her death
- 5:27Speaker 1: either due to dangerous behavior or negligence, but the barrister
- 5:32Speaker 1: representing White at trial, Troy Edwards, sc said the Constable
- 5:37Speaker 1: was justified in discharging his taser because of the immediate
- 5:41Speaker 1: threat to his safety and the safety of others. White
- 5:44Speaker 1: gave evidence in his own defense, saying he believed the
- 5:47Speaker 1: situation would only be resolved through the use of force.
- 5:51Speaker 1: We've used a voice actor to bring you his words.
- 5:54Speaker 5: I understood it was going to cause her some sort
- 5:56Speaker 5: of injury and pain, but I felt that the risk
- 5:58Speaker 5: it elevated to the point where it needed a resolution.
- 6:01Speaker 5: It's not our job to shy away from those types
- 6:04Speaker 5: of incidents. I never intended for her to be injured
- 6:06Speaker 5: by it at all.
- 6:09Speaker 1: Many of missusn Allan's eight children twenty four grandchildren and
- 6:13Speaker 1: thirty great grandchildren sat in the public gallery for the
- 6:16Speaker 1: duration of the proceedings.
- 6:19Speaker 2: It's one of the most frustrating parts about this job
- 6:21Speaker 2: sometimes is not not being able to hear why a
- 6:24Speaker 2: jury makes the decision. The word that really sticks out
- 6:27Speaker 2: to me there is immediate, the immediate threat. There was
- 6:30Speaker 2: nothing immediate about this lady. She wasn't moving quickly, she
- 6:34Speaker 2: didn't seem like she was going to make any abrupt movements.
- 6:37Speaker 2: She was clearly able to be outrun. And so I
- 6:39Speaker 2: think I understand. While we don't know the exact reason
- 6:42Speaker 2: why the jury made their decision, I would have to
- 6:45Speaker 2: assume that it has something to do with the fact
- 6:47Speaker 2: that this woman was not an immediate threat to this
- 6:49Speaker 2: police officer because there were so many other opportunities for
- 6:52Speaker 2: him to take care of the situation other than deploying
- 6:55Speaker 2: his taser.
- 6:57Speaker 1: Coming up, What do you do with a guilty police officer.
- 7:18Speaker 3: So that there's no secret about it. I will not
- 7:22Speaker 3: commit a policeman to custody until I understand the conditions
- 7:26Speaker 3: under which he will be held. If he is to
- 7:28Speaker 3: be held.
- 7:30Speaker 1: Justice N. Harrison put on a rare display of frustration
- 7:32Speaker 1: in the New South Wales Supreme Court on Wednesday. His
- 7:35Speaker 1: words were read by a voice actor. The distinguished Judge's
- 7:39Speaker 1: name will be familiar to listeners of The Front and
- 7:41Speaker 1: the Australians podcast series The Teacher's Pet. It was Justice
- 7:45Speaker 1: and Harrison who presided over the twenty twenty two murder
- 7:48Speaker 1: trial of rugby league star Christopher Michael Dawson. There was
- 7:52Speaker 1: no jury in that trial due to the immense media
- 7:55Speaker 1: interest generated by our podcast. Investigated by national Chief Corspar
- 8:00Speaker 1: Hedley Thomas, Justice Harrison found Chris Dawson guilty of the
- 8:04Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two murder of his wife, Lynnette Simms.
- 8:08Speaker 4: Christopher Michael Dawson on the charge that on are about
- 8:11Speaker 4: eight January nineteen eighty two, at playview or elsewhere in
- 8:15Speaker 4: the state of New South Wales, you did murder Lynette Dawson.
- 8:19Speaker 4: I find you guilty the message there.
- 8:22Speaker 1: Dawson is serving a twenty four year sentence for the
- 8:25Speaker 1: crime after unsuccessfully appealing his conviction. Sometimes when defendants are
- 8:33Speaker 1: found guilty of a crime like manslaughter, they're taken straight
- 8:37Speaker 1: into custody. Here's how it happened with Chris Dawson.
- 8:41Speaker 4: Mister will be necessary to be taken into custody.
- 8:45Speaker 1: But because Christian White is a police officer, there are
- 8:48Speaker 1: extra considerations. That's a fact Justice Harrison acknowledged after the
- 8:52Speaker 1: jury's verdict was handed down.
- 8:55Speaker 3: I'm not going to be too specific about it, but
- 8:57Speaker 3: this is not a usual situation.
- 9:00Speaker 1: White's barrister, Troy Edwards sc made an application regarding if
- 9:04Speaker 1: and how White might be detained to protect his personal
- 9:08Speaker 1: safety until he's formally sentenced. He's Ellie Dudley.
- 9:13Speaker 2: Putting a police officer in jail would be putting them
- 9:15Speaker 2: in a terrible situation, more terrible than any other regular civilian,
- 9:19Speaker 2: because police officers are obviously so hated by criminals. I
- 9:24Speaker 2: was having a chat with a criminal barrister earlier today
- 9:27Speaker 2: and he was saying, well, we know that the maximum
- 9:29Speaker 2: sentence that Christian White could serve is twenty years. He
- 9:31Speaker 2: was expecting it to be much lower than that, somewhere
- 9:34Speaker 2: around the five year mark, if not lower. And he
- 9:37Speaker 2: was saying that's because it's likely the judge will take
- 9:40Speaker 2: into account circumstances that he was in He was called
- 9:42Speaker 2: out to a job, this woman was wilding a knife.
- 9:45Speaker 2: He was doing his job, and that will all be
- 9:47Speaker 2: taken into account when it comes to sentencing. But if
- 9:50Speaker 2: he does end up serving a custodial sentence, it will
- 9:52Speaker 2: be really difficult because he will likely end up in
- 9:54Speaker 2: protective custody. That's with incredibly dangerous criminals and other cops
- 9:59Speaker 2: as well. With we will make serving that sentence incredibly hard.
- 10:04Speaker 1: Ellie Dudley is The Australian's Legal affairs correspondent. You can
- 10:09Speaker 1: read all her outstanding reporting anytime at the Australian dot
- 10:13Speaker 1: com dot au