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Episode 54: The Subtle Science of Potions · Revelio: A Wizarding World Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to episode 54 of Revelio for October 1st, 2026.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Aimee.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm Nicole. In this episode, we decided to kick
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  Speaker 1: off the Halloween spooky season with a little discussion on
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  Speaker 1: potions and potion making. But first... You're listening to WWN,
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  Speaker 1: the Wizarding Wireless Network.
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  Speaker 2: Now for the latest headlines. All right, we have More
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  Speaker 2: casting news for the HBO series. So we've learned that
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  Speaker 2: Rafe Spall will portray Arthur Weasley. Molly Hewitt Richards will
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  Speaker 2: be Moaning Myrtle. And Jasper Ambrose will be Colin Creevey.
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  Speaker 2: And all of these will be appearing in season two
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  Speaker 2: of the series. I did run all of these names
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  Speaker 2: through IMDb. And the only thing I really recognized for
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  Speaker 2: Rafe Spall is Life of Pi, in which he played
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  Speaker 2: the writer. But I did find it very fitting that
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  Speaker 2: according to his IMDb page, his trademark is his mischievous grin,
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  Speaker 2: which I feel is perfect for Arthur Weasley. So that works.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And fun fact, he is Timothy Spall's son who played.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Well, my God, by Pettigrew.
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  Speaker 2: I wondered.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I wondered if it was a relation. That's cool. I
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  Speaker 2: like that. So not only do we now have relations
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  Speaker 2: of people in like the art departments and stuff working
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  Speaker 2: on this film, but we have an actor who's a relation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Cool. Passing it down through the generations. Yeah. So Molly
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  Speaker 2: Hewitt Richards looks to be a relative newcomer. She's only
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  Speaker 2: got a couple of TV credits from 2026 and 2025
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  Speaker 2: on her IMDb. And it also noted, like, she just
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  Speaker 2: graduated acting school, so that makes sense. She's young. She's
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  Speaker 2: just starting her career. Jasper Ambrose, as a child actor,
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  Speaker 2: is also pretty new, but he does have a couple
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  Speaker 2: credits in his career so far.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine, like, just, like, graduating, like, acting school, and you, like,
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  Speaker 1: Land a gig with Harry Potter TV series.
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  Speaker 2: As Moaning Myrtle. Like, that's such a good role, too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such an iconic thing. So, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We also got our first look at the character wands
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  Speaker 2: from the HBO show. So, the official HBO Harry Potter
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  Speaker 2: social channels posted pictures of the wands of five of
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  Speaker 2: the characters, including Neville, Hermione, Draco, Ron, and Harry. So
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  Speaker 2: I think it's interesting looking at the pictures of these wands.
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  Speaker 2: It very much goes with what we know they've been
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  Speaker 2: trying to do for the aesthetic of more like back
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  Speaker 2: to nature. Like these seem not as refined as the
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  Speaker 2: wands from the movies. They're a little bit more organic,
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  Speaker 2: I guess. Like, I mean, Neville's literally looks like a twig.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Draco's is... pretty a little bit more sophisticated
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  Speaker 1: but like of course it is right it like fits
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  Speaker 1: that character yeah it's got some it looks polished but
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  Speaker 1: like yeah levels basically looks like we just picked up
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  Speaker 1: this stick on the ground and started using it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah which i did see people um concluding that the
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  Speaker 2: two people running on the bridge in the trailer that
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  Speaker 2: we had been wondering about could be neville's parents because
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  Speaker 2: someone tried to zoom in and they think that the
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  Speaker 2: wand that the guy's carrying looks similar to this wand
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  Speaker 2: of neville's and we know neville got his father's wand right.
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  Speaker 1: So right and they have that written too on the
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  Speaker 1: graphic yeah that he inherited it from his father so.
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  Speaker 2: So interesting if that is neville's parents i'm still curious
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  Speaker 2: about that scene because i still don't understand what's happening.
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  Speaker 1: But and if it is his parents like that makes
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  Speaker 1: me even more confused and how it's gonna fit in
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  Speaker 1: like I think it made more sense to be like
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  Speaker 1: James and Lily um yeah I guess we'll see yeah
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  Speaker 1: but yeah no I think the wands look cool um
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  Speaker 1: Draco's is my favorite um I do think that Hermione's
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  Speaker 1: is pretty cool, too, with the way that they incorporated the, like, lines,
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  Speaker 1: the lines, I guess, around it. But, yeah, very different. And, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, definitely not as, like, ornate as, like,
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  Speaker 1: what we saw in the films. But, of course, this
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  Speaker 1: is only five wands. We might see a little bit more.
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  Speaker 1: And I do like that Harry's wand still kind of has,
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  Speaker 1: That little bit of familiarity to what we got in
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  Speaker 1: the films with just like that chunkier bit on the end.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Different but similar. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So then next, the Harry Potter full cast audio editions
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  Speaker 2: have received two nominations at the British Audio Awards. for
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  Speaker 2: Best Audiobook, Children's, and Best Performance, New Voice for the
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  Speaker 2: Younger Golden Trio, which that includes Frankie Treadway, Max Lester, and,
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  Speaker 2: of course, Arabella Stanton. And they also received a nomination
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  Speaker 2: for the narrator, Kush Jumbo, which, fabulous name. So we'll
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  Speaker 2: see if they win any of these. The first official
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  Speaker 2: merch for the HBO Harry Potter TV series is available
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  Speaker 2: on Amazon. So this is basically just a black t-shirt
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  Speaker 2: with the TV-style lightning bolt in purple with the words
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  Speaker 2: The Boy Who Lived in yellow on the front. It
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  Speaker 2: also has Harry's wand and the new HBO Harry Potter logo.
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  Speaker 2: On the back, it has the purple lightning bolt again,
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  Speaker 2: Harry's wand, and the logo again, and then in an
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  Speaker 2: arch around the bolt, And wand, it says, quote, it
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  Speaker 2: is curious that you should be destined for this wand
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  Speaker 2: when its brother gave you that scar.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Very, um, the shirt is, is ugly in my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm not yet. I.
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  Speaker 1: I saw it and I was like, yay, I'm safe
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  Speaker 1: from buying this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't need that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, the color choices on it are very interesting. However, um,
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  Speaker 1: It's yeah. I mean, it's, it's not, I think we'll
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  Speaker 1: see like cooler things from other retailers, but it is
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  Speaker 1: really cool to see. Um, like I, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: you said, it's got like the new logo on it.
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  Speaker 1: The lightning bolt matches like that new lightning bolt that
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  Speaker 1: we have for the show. So it's definitely like for
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  Speaker 1: the show. Um, but yeah, I mean, I guess, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we're at the end of September now, like we're a
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  Speaker 1: couple months out, so I guess we will start seeing
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm curious what we're going to get from New York
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  Speaker 2: Comic Con. Like, I would be shocked if they don't
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  Speaker 2: do something there and if there isn't, like, a booth
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  Speaker 2: down on the floor with stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, especially because, yeah, in the past, like, Cursed Child
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  Speaker 1: has had a presence at New York Comic Con and stuff, too.
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  Speaker 2: Fantastic Beasts, they had all the costumes.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. So it would make sense that they do something there.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, that's coming up. Is it like next weekend
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  Speaker 1: or the weekend after? It's usually the first weekend of October.
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  Speaker 2: I believe it's two weeks after we're recording.
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  Speaker 1: Gotcha.
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  Speaker 2: It's like October.
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  Speaker 1: 10th. So like, yeah, that would be the, so like
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  Speaker 1: the first full week of October, second weekend, first full
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  Speaker 1: week of October.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I guess we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: We'll have to keep an eye out. Interesting. That's it
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  Speaker 1: So as we mentioned for this episode, we wanted to
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  Speaker 1: talk about potions and the art of potion making, talk
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  Speaker 1: a little bit about some of our favorite potions, and just, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: thought it would be nice to kind of start off
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  Speaker 1: October with a little bit of a spookier topic.
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  Speaker 2: Spooky season.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to the dungeons.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, my favorite season, so I'm excited to talk about this.
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  Speaker 1: So a potion, which sometimes is also referred to as
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  Speaker 1: an elixir, is of course a magical mixture of various ingredients,
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  Speaker 1: commonly brewed in a cauldron, and is used to create
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  Speaker 1: various magical effects on the drinker. Potions... plural is the
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  Speaker 1: study of the magical ingredients and the brewing of the
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  Speaker 1: potions and is really kind of the equivalent of like
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  Speaker 1: muggle chemistry, but I think just cooler because it's got
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  Speaker 1: that magical element.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess one caveat to earlier when I said like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it creates magical effects on the drinker. So
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  Speaker 1: potions are usually drunk because they're liquid and, But there
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  Speaker 1: are some potions that work just through like physical contact
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  Speaker 1: or have an effect simply because you like created the potion.
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  Speaker 1: So like the more magical aspect of it. Mm hmm. Also, fun,
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  Speaker 1: unrelated fact, but if you're constantly writing the word potion
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  Speaker 1: in a Word document, you typically will say portion. That is,
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  Speaker 1: I thought I caught them all, but in our document,
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  Speaker 1: it says portion a lot. So apparently, fun fact. If
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  Speaker 1: you're typing potion a lot, make sure you double check it.
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  Speaker 1: So anyways, so some examples of potions that... work by
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily being drunk are the swelling solution, which is
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  Speaker 1: a potion that causes whatever it touches to swell in size.
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  Speaker 1: And there is the regeneration potion, which is a potion
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  Speaker 1: that restores a wizard whose body has been like maimed
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  Speaker 1: or disfigured and restores them to their original unmaimed self.
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  Speaker 1: And we do see this potion being used directly in
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  Speaker 1: the series. This is the potion that was used to
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  Speaker 1: return Voldemort to his full body form and got the fire.
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  Speaker 1: So obviously when you have a bunch of different liquids,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of like, okay, how do you know what
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  Speaker 1: is what? Which is kind of scary. I just feel
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  Speaker 1: like if you had this lineup of potions, like how
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  Speaker 1: are you supposed to like know what is what? But
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  Speaker 1: most potions can be identified by their properties, such as
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  Speaker 1: the color, the smell, or the way that the steam
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  Speaker 1: is coming from the boiling mixture.
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  Speaker 2: When you said lineup of potions, I immediately thought of
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  Speaker 2: Sorcerer's Stone in the book. when they have the potions
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  Speaker 2: and the logic riddle to try and figure out what
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  Speaker 2: they are. Like, I wonder if they were more advanced
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  Speaker 2: wizards at that point and not 11 year olds, I
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  Speaker 2: wonder if they could have been able to really tell
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  Speaker 2: the difference by like the color and the smell. I, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I, I think that the thing with potions is
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  Speaker 1: that I want to talk about this like a little
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  Speaker 1: bit later, but it's definitely like, I think one of
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  Speaker 1: the trickier sciences, if that's the word you want to
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  Speaker 1: use in the magical realm, because I don't think like,
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  Speaker 1: like almost anybody could master a spell or a basic
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  Speaker 1: spell or even like a moderately difficult spell. But I
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  Speaker 1: feel like potions is definitely like, a particular science a
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  Speaker 1: particular art and to be able to I feel like
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  Speaker 1: just however much you study them just to be able
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  Speaker 1: to go off to a potion be able to tell
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  Speaker 1: what it is by its color its smell like I
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  Speaker 1: think even a very intelligent witch or wizard would not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily be able to do that unless they were like
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  Speaker 1: really into the science of of potion making yeah true Um,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean, we see this like in the
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  Speaker 1: series as well. Like when the students learn about amortentia,
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  Speaker 1: which is obviously the love potion, um, we learn that, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it produces a smell that's similar or connected
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  Speaker 1: to something that the person you are attracted to remind
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  Speaker 1: you of them, something they like. Um, so that's, I
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  Speaker 1: think that's also interesting too, because this one, um, you
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  Speaker 1: almost can't fully like rely on the, it's the smell
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  Speaker 1: to identify it either because it's going to smell differently
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  Speaker 1: to whoever is smelling it. But we also know that
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  Speaker 1: it kind of has like a mother of pearl, like
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  Speaker 1: sheen color to it. But no, I think this one's
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  Speaker 1: interesting that this is one where the smell can change.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Some potions, obviously like there's a lot of potions out
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  Speaker 1: there for very specific things and, Some potions can be
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  Speaker 1: a little redundant and produce the same effects as certain
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  Speaker 1: spells and charms. So some examples of this is the
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  Speaker 1: babbling beverage potion, which is very similar to the babbling curse.
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  Speaker 1: And both of these can cause the person to just
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  Speaker 1: start talking like nonsensically. And this kind of got me
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  Speaker 1: thinking about like in what situations like would it be
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  Speaker 1: more advantageous to brew and use a potion over just
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  Speaker 1: using the spell like right why do we have both.
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  Speaker 2: The spell will be much more instantaneous like with the
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  Speaker 2: potion you'd have to brew it and then you'd have
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  Speaker 2: to like get the person to drink it so you'd
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  Speaker 2: have to be like hiding it and whatever to get
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  Speaker 2: them to drink it like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah Yeah, I couldn't really think of any good examples
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  Speaker 1: why I would choose a potion over a spell if
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  Speaker 1: there's both. But overall, witches and wizards kind of just
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  Speaker 1: use whichever method they prefer. But again, I can't think
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  Speaker 1: of a scenario where the preference would be to use
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  Speaker 1: the potion over just using the spell. Yeah. Yeah. So
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  Speaker 1: kind of diving a little bit into potion making. So
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  Speaker 1: wizards and witches who specialize in potion making are known
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  Speaker 1: as potioners or potions masters. And we definitely see the
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  Speaker 1: title like potion master really come into play when you
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  Speaker 1: are somebody who teaches the art of potion making. And
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  Speaker 1: when you are creating a potion, um, And one thing
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  Speaker 1: that is similar with all of them is that they
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  Speaker 1: require both wand work and a spell to be kind
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  Speaker 1: of successfully brewed. And this really helps because this is
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  Speaker 1: what makes it magical and gives it that magical element
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  Speaker 1: and kind of is what makes it different than just chemistry.
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  Speaker 1: Because as we know, Potions are brewed following like a
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  Speaker 1: manual step-by-step process, right? Like almost like following a recipe
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  Speaker 1: or like you're making like something from a cookbook. And
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  Speaker 1: so you need certain supplies, certain skills, right? which we
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  Speaker 1: see a lot of in the series, and obviously the recipe.
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  Speaker 1: So by also requiring some kind of wand work or spell,
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  Speaker 1: this also prevents muggles from just being able to follow
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  Speaker 1: the instructions and making a potion. Now, muggles can just
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  Speaker 1: follow the instructions and make the potion, but it would
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  Speaker 1: be just kind of that. It would just be this
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  Speaker 1: liquid potion. concoction of all those ingredients, it wouldn't produce
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  Speaker 1: a potion with magical effects because obviously they can't add
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  Speaker 1: the little magical touch to it. Now, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: where most muggles would find a lot of the ingredients
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  Speaker 1: that are used in the potions in the reasoning world.
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  Speaker 1: So I think we don't have to worry about muggles
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  Speaker 1: running around and finding like, I don't know, advanced potion
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  Speaker 1: making and following the recipes and making potions. because where
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  Speaker 1: would they get half the ingredients? But that's really what
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  Speaker 1: the differentiator is, is being able to make it magical
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  Speaker 1: at the end after putting all the ingredients in. So
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  Speaker 1: speaking of the ingredients, potions are made from lots of
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  Speaker 1: different ingredients. Some are plants. Some are animal body parts.
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  Speaker 1: Some ingredients are things that have magical properties. Others don't.
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  Speaker 1: They're just a standard ingredient. But overall, like, potion making
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  Speaker 1: is definitely very tedious. And I think kind of back
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  Speaker 1: to our earlier point of, like, people being able to
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  Speaker 1: recognize certain potions and stuff like that. I, like, in
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  Speaker 1: my opinion, I feel like potions is definitely this very, like,
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  Speaker 1: niche area of the Wizarding World in that everybody learns it.
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  Speaker 1: to some basic level because they have to for schooling.
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  Speaker 1: But really the only people that I think truly like
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  Speaker 1: master it are the people that really get into it
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  Speaker 1: and pursue it. And I feel like that's very similar
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  Speaker 1: to like chemistry because like I took chemistry in high school.
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  Speaker 1: Do I remember like anything from chemistry or anything, any
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  Speaker 1: of the labs that we did and the things we like, no,
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  Speaker 1: like I would not trust myself to, to mix chemistry.
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  Speaker 1: products and ingredients to create anything and then have someone
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  Speaker 1: drink it no yeah yeah so I think that it's
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  Speaker 1: probably one of those things where it's really good for
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  Speaker 1: the wizarding world when somebody really takes a liking to
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  Speaker 1: potions and really pursues it because I feel like there's
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  Speaker 1: probably not tons of potion ears or tons of you
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  Speaker 1: know potions masters but I guess it's very similar to
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  Speaker 1: I think in the muggle world, I guess thinking of
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  Speaker 1: like pharmacists or people that like make pharmaceuticals and drugs,
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  Speaker 1: not everyone can do that. Even if we all take
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  Speaker 1: chemistry in school, some of us go on to just
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  Speaker 1: perfect it more. So yeah, potion making is very tedious.
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  Speaker 1: You really have to follow the recipes to a T, right?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's so much that some recipes call for
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  Speaker 1: like stirring of the potions like a certain number of times,
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  Speaker 1: certain speeds, a certain direction. And some of the ingredients
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  Speaker 1: have to be harvested at like very particular times or
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  Speaker 1: they're basically void or they have to be harvested in
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  Speaker 1: very like particular ways.
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  Speaker 2: If you are not someone with attention to detail, this
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  Speaker 2: is not the field for you.
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  Speaker 1: Not at all. I think you also have to have
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  Speaker 1: patience because like I find myself to be someone that
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  Speaker 1: has very like good attention to detail, but I would
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  Speaker 1: not have the patience for potions at all. Just take
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  Speaker 1: me to the little shop and I'll buy the already
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  Speaker 1: made potions. I mean, and then too, so like pretty
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  Speaker 1: much everything and anything about the potion making process can
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  Speaker 1: affect the quality and the effectiveness. So this can go from,
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  Speaker 1: like I just mentioned, the quality of your ingredients, if
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  Speaker 1: you harvested it at the wrong time. the cauldron that
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  Speaker 1: you're using, like the material of the cauldron can affect it.
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  Speaker 1: It's just, it's really needs to be this like perfect
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  Speaker 1: circumstances in order to produce a quality potion. Um, and
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  Speaker 1: the other thing too, about kind of potion making and
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  Speaker 1: maybe like the anti potion remedy, I don't know why
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I can't think it has a word and I can't
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: think of it. The antidote. Yeah. Yeah, there we go.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: So the effects of potions are notoriously hard to undo.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: So even though we know that we have some antidotes
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: to certain potions, we get exposure to that in the
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: series as well. I think that there's probably most potions
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: don't have an antidote. And I think also antidotes maybe
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: are not necessarily guaranteed to work every time either. The
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: administration of the antidote I think is probably the biggest
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: variable factor there and getting it administered within a proper time.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: And it makes sense, right? Because you're ingesting a potion
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: for the most part and it's much harder to undo
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: something that is... And we see that in like muggle
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: life too.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Right. And plus, you'd have to know what the potion
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: was that the person drank in order to know what
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: antidote to use. And then you have to have the
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: antidote just like readily on hand. And if these potions
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: take a while to brew, you might be out of
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: luck if you don't just have a bottle of it
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: sitting there ready to go. Like it could take months
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: to brew.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Right. I think that if I was... like a witch
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: in the wizarding world one of like the things i
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: would really want to find in like my partner in
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: life is for them to be a potion master because
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: i think most like potioners potion masters probably have like
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: a little mini apothecary of potions because they just enjoy
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: it right um And I just feel like that's your
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: best chance of like having something readily available is being
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: with somebody who likes to make potions because yeah, to
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: your point, I mean the luck of you ingest this
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: potion that has an antidote, but that antidote takes a
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: month to brew under a full moon or something, right?
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Like you're probably out of luck. Yeah.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: I feel like I would like spend my life hunting
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: down every antidote possible to every single potion possible and
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: have like a little like bunker room. You know how
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: people have like their room for the apocalypse? Mine would
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: be just like shells of antidotes just in case I
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: get poisoned.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like people that have like the like food
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: that can last like 20 years. We just have like
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: this light up of antidotes. But that would be me too,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: because I'm so paranoid and anxious about everything and anything
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: that can go wrong that I'm just like, I need
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: to have it on stock just in case. But to
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: your point, I think the hardest part of any of
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: it is, like you said, having to know what the
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: potion was that was consumed.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: And if you are.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I imagine just, yeah. I mean, how
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: often is it that the person who gave you the
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: potion is the one that's also like, here's the antidote. Like,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I just feel like giving somebody a potion has a very, like,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: unless it's a positive potion and you're giving somebody the
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: potion specifically because it's a positive thing. Yeah. I think
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: that there is this like negative dark arty kind of,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: thing about giving somebody a potion just randomly.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Usually it's probably a little bit nefarious.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes. Unless, like we said, there are plenty of
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: very good potions out there. I mean, we think of
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: things like Skele-Gro, right? There are potions out there that
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: are used in that medicinal kind of way. And I think, obviously,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: those I don't think would have a little nefarious thing.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: But also, you would most likely be knowingly drinking that
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: as a treatment, right?
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: If you're just randomly getting a potion thrown in your goblet,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: it's probably more nefarious. So kind of like what we've
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: been talking about, there are a lot of limitations to
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: potions when it comes to, especially how we were talking
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: earlier about using magic versus just using a potion. Yeah.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: So of course, like as we've been talking about, just
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: like the difficulty of making potions is a huge limitation.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: So some potions also are like very advanced. So an
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: example is like the polyjuice potion and like all the
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: different specifications that are needed to create that potion is
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: what makes it so advanced. And as we mentioned earlier, too,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: everything needs to be done the right way for the
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: potion to turn out correctly, which is an insane amount
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: of pressure.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: And there are, like, I guess there are some, like,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: exceptions to that, is that, like, very skilled potioners and
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: potion masters are could develop alternative methods of prep versus
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: the instructions that we get. We see this in the
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Half-Blood Prince's book. But again, I don't think just anybody
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: could find a way to... produce the same effect a
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: different way. Like the whole reason that we have this
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: is because Snape was extremely advanced in potions and extremely skilled.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: And it's a lot of trial and error too. And
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: how many people are going to sit there and try
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: so many different ways and be like, oh yes, if
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I add a counterclockwise stir every fifth stir, it'll work.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I just don't have the time for that. But Snape,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Snape does.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Snape does. Yeah.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: So, yeah. So, I mean, I think, like, I guess
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: the whole point of that is that it's not necessarily,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: there's only one way or no, like, the wrong way. Like,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: it's not just, it's not so black and white when
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: it comes to making a potion. There is still that
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: gray area. Yeah. it really takes an advanced potionier to
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: be able to play around in that gray area. And
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I don't think that any witch or wizard should just
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: be playing around in the gray area of potions. So
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: another like huge limitation very similarly to that is that
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: if you brew a potion incorrectly, it could have very
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: dangerous effects.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Which then begs the question, how do you test that
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: it's safe?
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: In the same way that we test medications in the
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: muggle world, Amy.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: On Neville's toe, I guess.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Clinical trials. But it's like... Yeah.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: You're going to have somebody drink it knowing that it
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: could go horribly wrong. I don't know. And then with
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: the same antidote that was meant for the potion, if
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: it was brewed correctly, would it work if the potion
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: was brewed incorrectly?
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's a good question because I was going to say,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I bet when they're doing like, I'm just going to
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: call them potions. clinical trials because I feel like that's
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: the most similar thing to it. It's like, are you
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: ready with the antidote just in case something goes wrong?
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: But like, to your point, the antidote is for that potion.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: But if the potion is brewed incorrectly, why would the
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: antidote work? Because that potion isn't what it's supposed to be. Right. Hmm.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Just like everything else in the wizarding world, this just
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: seems very dangerous. Yeah. Like they haven't really thought of
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: a safety net here.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Well, and that's the thing too, right? Because to that point,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: every single potion that exists... was created right and somebody
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: sat there and is like i'm gonna mix these very
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: particular ingredients and and i'm.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Gonna come up with this well i mean i even
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: think of like fred and george testing their own products
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: on themselves of things that they've invented like that could
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: go horribly wrong.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Just have a lot of trust in yourself i guess
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: um Huh. There needs to be like one, and maybe
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: there is like one like master antidote that just doesn't
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: have to be specific to that potion, but just works
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: or works.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: A bezoar.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Just use a bezoar for everything. Yeah.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, and like I said, maybe it doesn't, fully
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: but but it removes the effects enough that you can
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: heal yeah or something yeah i don't know but it's
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: similar to like i feel like we talked about this
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: maybe it was back in our episode where we talked
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: about like the department of mysteries or i don't remember
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: exactly maybe it was that episode where we talked about
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: like spell creation and i feel like it's very similar
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: and that like that could go really wrong too, but
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like the potions could go more wrong.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, and then I think just another big limitation
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: is just some potions take a really long time to prepare.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And how do you know that far in advance
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: that you're going to need it?
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Right. Because I think of like, most people probably aren't
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: just like brewing up polyjuice potion and Right.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: I'm keeping it on hand for a rainy day. Right.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Right. Unless you like purposely know that you're going to.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: And I do like one. Well, yeah, I mean, I
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: guess every time we see Polyjuice potion coming up in
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the series, it is premeditated.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: And maybe that's kind of on purpose. Maybe it's to
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: try and deter people from abusing the use of these potions.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I think so. Because I think if you had a
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: potion that was so easily made and so readily available
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: that had pretty, I mean, I think of like the
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Polyjuice potion as being like a pretty nefarious type of potion.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: And I feel like you're using it probably in a
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: very nefarious way every time you're making it. Right. I
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: can't think of a positive thing for the Polyjuice potion.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: But that probably is it. And I think– I wonder
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: if some of the more useful potions are, like, easier
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: to make. I guess I wonder, like, what makes a potion, like,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: easier or more– I mean, it's obviously some of it is, like,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: the ingredients and it's, like, what the preparation is. But–
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I think of also like the process of making like horcruxes, right?
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: It's very advanced. It's very difficult. And I feel like
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: it's like that on purpose so that people aren't just
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: out here making horcruxes. And so I could see that
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: same with potions. Or if you have a potion that's
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: like very like a healing type potion, is it purposely
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: easier to make so that it can just kind of
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: be whipped up by anybody in a quick fashion? Right.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Or like something simple like the pepperette potion that's just,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: you know, to help with like the common cold. Like
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: something like that.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Anybody can whip it up very quickly. And that's something
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: that you would need to be made pretty quickly because
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: like common colds don't last that long. So if you
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: have something that takes forever. But I think also probably
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: potions like that are maybe readily available at like.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: You can just buy a bottle.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Whatever. I feel like that's what they would call
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: it versus like you go down to your local like CVS,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: the wizarding CVS to get your pepper up potion.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: And then again, like we've mentioned this a lot, like
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I think one of like the biggest limitations is like
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: the quality of the ingredients. And like you said earlier,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: the cauldron that's used to brew the ingredients or the
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: potion can affect ultimately the outcome of the potion.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: And this is interesting to me because it brings up
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: the question of accessibility. Like we've talked a lot already
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: about how potion making is kind of like this niche thing.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Whereas like, Most forms of magic just requires your one tool,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: your wand, and the Witcher wizard's skill in doing the
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: spell for whatever it is. But potion making could get, like,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: super expensive, and there could be a barrier there in
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: accessing all these ingredients and these different specialty cauldrons and
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: things like that. Like, this is, like, an expensive hobby.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: It's like golf.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Golf.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Where not everyone can afford a set of golf clubs
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: to go golfing and a club membership. Same with not
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: everyone's going to be able to buy this special golden
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: cauldron and all these expensive ingredients to dabble in their
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: potion making. So I guess, does that mean that this
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: is more of a rare field for people to go into?
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: And are there fewer potion masters out there? So, like,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: maybe they're a little bit more in demand. So maybe
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: this is, like, one of those fields that's, like, a
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: high-paying kind of job in the wizarding world because there's
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: so few.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I think, and, like, we talked about
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: that a little bit earlier, too, and I think liking
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: it to people that, like, make drugs and pharmaceuticals in
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: the muggle world or pharmacists, right? Like, it is a
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: higher-paying job. It has more advanced training.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I could see this being, like, very similar to that.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: And then I wonder, too, if, like, the potions masters
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: that are out there, like, specialize even further. Like, some
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: of them specialize in, like, certain types of potions. Like,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: making things like pepper up potions and things like that.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Or making those more advanced things. And I think even
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: thinking about accessibility as well. Like, just... I mean, just
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: even like, I don't even know, like some of these ingredients,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: like I just don't even get where you get them.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess magical shops would carry some of
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: these things. And obviously we see that, you know, Snape's
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: got his whole like storage of ingredients and stuff at
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Hogwarts and stuff. But I think Hogwarts is different because
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: it's a school. Like schools just have access to things
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: like that that the normal person wouldn't have. He put
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: in his purchase order and purchasing got those. Where there's
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: like stores out there to go buy these things. Like
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: obviously we know that, you know, there are those stores.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: But just some of these ingredients just seem so... I
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: don't know, specific. And I'm sure some of them have
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: a paywall to them. I'm sure some of them have, like,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: that access wall. But I also think the average witch
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: or wizard is probably not making most of these potions. True.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: So maybe there isn't as much of, like, a barrier, but... Yeah.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I think especially with the cauldron too. I liked your
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: little analogy to golf. It's like anybody can go get
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: like a golf club, but there's also some like really
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: good advanced golf clubs. And like, I think anyone can
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: go get a little pewter cauldron, but if the little
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: pewter cauldron just doesn't produce the best effect. Yeah. I mean,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: we know the Hogwarts students, that's what's on their list, right?
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: It's like a standard pewter cauldron. Um, but they're also
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: not doing like super, super advanced stuff either. Um, so
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: another limitation of potions is just like the duration of
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: the effect of the potion can vary greatly. Hmm. So
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: for example, and this also kind of goes back to
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: like the other limitations we were talking about, like the
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: quality of the potion. This goes hand in hand with that.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: So like depending on how well the potion is made
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: can affect how long certain potions last. A really good
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: example of this is, again, the Polyjuice potion. If you're
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: kind of just throwing stuff together, you're not super skilled,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: you have enough. I mean, we see this with Hermione
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: making the polyjuice potion, which is such an advanced potion
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: for her to make at the age that she made
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: it at. But we also see that the effects of
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: that potion did not last very long.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Versus you've got later on when you've got like Barty,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Barty Crouch Jr. using it for like Mad-Eye Moody. Like
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: it seems to be that was a little bit more advanced.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Because the effects were lasting a little bit longer there.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: I guess that's also like another... limitation, too, is that
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: some potions, if you need the effects to last longer,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: you have to keep ingesting the potion. So, right, you
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: have to always have, I mean, we see with Mad-Eye
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Moody's flask and taking a swig of it every once
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: in a while, like you just, you have to make
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: sure that you're keeping up on it to keep the
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: effects going. Mm-hmm. The duration of the effects can also
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: depend on how much of the potion is ingested as well.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: So I think that this is probably the case with
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: like polyjuice potion as well. Like I think if you
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: probably ingest more of it and you've got more of
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: it in your system, the effects might last longer. We
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: do see this with things like Felix Felicis that depending
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: on how much is ingested also plays a role in
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: how long you have the effects of that liquid look.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Which I think too, like probably another limitation of this
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: as well is when you've got those more advanced potions,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: do you have a good supply of it? Because if
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: it takes these like crazy ingredients or it has this
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: like crazy preparation, you probably have less of it overall
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: than something you can make in like a big batch.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: And then some potions actually have more of a very
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: fixed duration. So then, similar to what I was talking
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: about with Polyjuice Potion, those that have that more fixed duration,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: you would need to keep additional doses to keep up
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: the effects. And an example of this is the Love Potion, which,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: when used negatively, which we've seen in the series.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Makes it a little bit more complex because you've got
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: to make sure that you are continuously having said person
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: ingest the potion because as soon as it wears off,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: it's gone. Right. So obviously at Hogwarts, we have potions class.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: So like we talked about that earlier, very similar to
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: how most of us in muggle life take chemistry. And yeah,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I had to include the quote from Professor Snape because
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: it's iconic and it's so great. And he says about
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: potions class that, quote, you are here to learn the
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: subtle science and exact art of potion making. As there
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: is little foolish wand waving here, many of you will
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: hardly believe this is magic. Which I do have questions
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: about that because I know I talked about earlier that
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: there is like a magical component. But I do think
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: it is very different than magic. like charms and like
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: that kind of thing.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: There's not a whole lot of like bangs and flashes.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: It's no. Yeah.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So he then goes on to say, I don't
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: expect you will really understand the beauty of the softly
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: simmering cauldron with its shimmering fumes, the delicate power of
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: liquids that creep through the human veins, bewitching the minds
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: and snaring the senses. No, Snape, I don't think I
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: will really understand that.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: I think he's not in love with Lily. He's in
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: love with his potions. That's what this is giving.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: But it's giving somebody who's really dedicated to the art.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: And I think it's a very similar description of the
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: people who get into very niche, creative type of things
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: talk about what they do.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: I love that he calls it a science and an art.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Instead of magic. Like this is like science and art
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: is very specific. There's a reason why it works the
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: way it works. And there's a theory behind it.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: I think. Right. And I think, I mean, right at
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: the beginning of this episode, I mean, I think I
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: referred to it too, as like the science of potion making.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: I think that it's, Compared to a lot of the
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: other classes that they take at Hogwarts, like, this one
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: is very science-based. But also, yeah, to your point, I
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: think the use of science and art are very specific
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: because it's science in that you're creating something in this, like,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: experimental way, but it's also an art because it takes such,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: like we said, precision and skill. That art takes as well. So. Right. Yeah.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I just like how he describes it. So we talked
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: earlier about how like potions is like a required class
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: at Hogwarts, at least through the fifth year. So they
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: have to at least get to the point of doing
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: a potions OWL. Mm hmm. Um, but as we've been
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: talking about potions is so challenging and difficult that a
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: lot of students don't do very well at potions and
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: very few students are able to advance to sixth year
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: potions or the new level. Yeah. And again, we see
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: this too, that like this can vary as well based
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: on who the potions professor is and their requirements. Snape
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: has very strict requirements, which I think is actually needed. Yeah.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I think this is one area where his strictness makes
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of sense.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Again, comparing this to the medical field. Like, if you
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: can't do certain things required at med school, you will
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: fail out because... You're putting people's lives in your hands. And, like,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: if you can't do those things, you should not be
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: a doctor.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: If you cannot get the potion right, you should not
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: be a potion master because you could poison someone.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Right. Right. Yeah, I mean, and we see, like, I think, like,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Slughorn is, like, maybe a little bit more lax with
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: his requirements. Especially letting, like, Ron through to.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: You know. Slughorn's requirements are, do you have connections?
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Excellent. You can advance to the next year.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Which is, which is a little, a little scary, but,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: but then too, it's like really interesting because you get like, like,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I would necessarily think of students
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: like Fred and George being like advanced at potions, but like,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: like we mentioned earlier, they do create connections. several potions.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah and Hermione's like in awe at the advanced like
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: magic that they've done to make their products it's just
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: they have to channel it into the thing they're interested
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: in they're not gonna do it if they don't care.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: About it but which I feel like happens in real
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: life too right like you're just like I hate whatever field. Right.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: But then you find this one little part of something
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: you really enjoy that actually is related to that field.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: But like, because it's something you enjoy, you're able to
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: excel at it. And I mean, and then we know
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: like that, you know, Ron kind of like does go
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: on to help with the shop and stuff. So maybe like,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: maybe he isn't better at potions than we think, but
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: in a very niche kind of specific way, um, Yeah, so, yeah,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: not a lot of students make it to that level.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Slytherins are disproportionately good at potions compared to other houses.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: I won't speculate necessarily on why, but....
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's something... Slytherins tend to be good at it.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Something in the personality. Who knows? Yeah.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Which is so funny because I'm a Slytherin and I
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: think I'd be rubbish at potions. But I can follow
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: in an instruction. But I hate to follow recipes and
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I hate to cook and I didn't love chemistry class either.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: So I just think that potions would not be my thing.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so we know at Hogwarts it's taught down
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: in the dungeons. I guess where maybe the Slytherins feel
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: right at home. But I do want to add too
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: that I think that herbology and potions class are like
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: very intertwined because in a lot of ways in herbology
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: you're like learning about a lot of the potion ingredients
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: and the properties like of plants and certain plants and
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: it is these exact plants that are then used um
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: in the potions and then obviously in potions it's a
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: study of like combining those ingredients so I think somebody
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: who kind of excels in both areas of herbology and
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: potions probably is very well off because especially if you're
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: someone who's creating potions or like playing around with like
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: different potions, like really understanding the, the nature of your
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: ingredients is going to do nothing but help you in
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: the process of combining those ingredients.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And we see this with Slughorn and how he
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: goes to Professor Sprout to help him get ingredients. And, like,
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: there seems to be, like, a good, like, mutual respect
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: there between the two of them and those, like, interactions
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: that we saw in him, like, going and... talking to
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: her about the different plants like yeah it seems like
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: there would be respect between those two disciplines which is
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: also interesting because herbology is so Hufflepuff dominated and potions
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: is so Slytherin dominated another similarity and that Hufflepuffs and
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Slytherins make excellent friends.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: I agree I agree But yeah, I mean, that's just
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: like obviously a little bit about potions and the creations
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: and everything. And so I thought it'd be fun for
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: us to talk about some of like our favorite potions
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: that are there. And maybe eventually we could do like
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: similar to our like spell episode where we like ranked spells.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: We can like rank potions for like usefulness and stuff
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: like that. But the first one I thought of is
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: the Draught of Peace. We learned from Snape that this
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: potion is there to help calm anxiety and soothe agitation.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: But this one is also a really good example of like,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: if it's not brewed exactly right, it can have pretty
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: like dire consequences. So if the drought of peace is
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: brewed correctly, you get that nice, um, reduction in anxiety
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: and agitation. If it's brewed incorrectly, or maybe you put
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: a little bit too many of the ingredients in and
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: it's not exactly right, it can put you into a very,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: very heavy and sometimes irreversible sleep. So basically like death.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a really good example of just the
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: that fine line of potion. So the ingredients of this
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: potion are powdered moonstone, syrup of halbor, powdered porcupine quills,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: and powdered unicorn horn.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: Lots of powdering going on here.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: So I did find that like when I was kind
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: of just looking at different potions, lots of powdered ingredients.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: And so actually like a very good potion master would
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: also usually have a crap. What is it called? A
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: mortar and pestle. Yeah. Mortar pestle to help powder your ingredients.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Because I think a lot of these things, you're not
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: just like going to the store and maybe buying them
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: already powdered. You have to do that as part of
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: your preparation. But I think like, this is a really
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: good example too, of like how easy it is it
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: to really get like unicorn horn to then be able
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: to powder it for something like this. It just seems
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: like a very harder ingredient to acquire.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Because as we know, slaying a unicorn is like an
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: act of evil.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Is there a way to harvest part of the horn
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: without slaying the unicorn?
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Or do you just have to wait for it to
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: naturally die and come across it? I don't know.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Because it also reminds me of how people will like
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: poach certain animals for their horns. Um, which again is
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: kind of like that same thing of like we're slaying
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: a unicorn. So yeah, I don't, I don't quite know. Um,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: just seems very difficult to acquire this particular ingredient. Yeah.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: But this is also like a very beneficial potion too.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: So it's not like you're doing it for nefarious reasons either.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: This is a really good portion. And also is kind of,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: to me, this is an example of something that reads
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: like a medicinal type of potion. I think this is
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: very similar to, um, anti-anxiety medication, um, that we might have,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: you know, in the muggle world. Instead, you would get
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: this potion. Yeah. But it's, so this is, I think,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: a really pretty potion. So it's turquoise blue in color
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: and emits light silver vapors. And kind of like we've
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: been alluding to, like this is considered a difficult potion
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: to brew. It is considered an advanced potion. Um, which again,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: we've kind of already alluded to it. It makes sense
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: because I think the ingredients are quite hard to acquire
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: and also the consequences of making a mistake in this
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: potion can be quite dire. Um, so I really like
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: this potion because as someone who has anxiety myself, I
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: feel like this potion would be very beneficial to me.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: And there is like a similar potion to this called
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: the calming drought, draft, draft, draft. Not exactly sure how
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: to say that. It sounds weird when I say it.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Which this is very similar and that
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: this is used to help lower panic or like extreme
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: distress or agitation. And I think like this one, the
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: calming draft seems more like a short-term kind of sedative
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: where the drought of peace is like more slowly over time.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: So I think like this could be very similar to
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: like medication. We see that, you know, you might take
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: daily for anxiety, but then there's certain medications that are
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: available that are not for long-term use, but are used
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: in that short term, you know, to help like a
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: panic attack or something like that. That kind of seems
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: like what these potions are very similar to.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. So I chose Veritaserum because I
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: find this potion really interesting. Obviously we know it forces
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: the drinker to tell the truth, but it should be
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: noted that the potion makes the drinker reveal what they
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: believe to be the truth. So it's not necessarily the
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: facts of the situation and I really like this distinction because,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, the mind is, like, crazy and complicated. And
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: I like that this recognizes that multiple people can witness
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: something and all come away with a different truth of
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: what it was. Yeah. I mean, like, as scary as
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: it is to think about something like this existing, it
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: would also be kind of helpful.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: So this is one of those ones that like, I
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: don't know. Yeah. So this one, I don't think we
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: know the ingredients to I couldn't find them anywhere. But
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: it is clear and odorless. So obviously that makes it
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: really difficult to detect if it's mixed with another liquid.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: And it's very highly regulated by the Ministry of Magic
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: and only used in high-level interrogations. Unless you are Dumbledore
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: and just use it on Party Crash Jr.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Which is interesting to me is, well, one, I
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: think one thing that makes it so scary is that
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: it's clear and odorless, but it also makes sense that
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: it's clear and odorless given what it does. You don't
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: want somebody, if you're using it on somebody, you don't
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: want them to detect that you're using it on them.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: And also, yeah, being highly regulated, like I just have,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: I just don't know if I trust that the Ministry
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: of Magic is really, I mean, obviously, like you just said,
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: they can say it's highly regulated, but all you need
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: to do is. How do they know? No, I mean,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: I just feel like there's probably like a black market
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: for it. Like, you know what I mean?
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: Right. And like Umbridge uses it all the time and
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: she's a ministry employee and like, yeah.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: That's probably why, I mean, that's probably why she gets
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: away with it, but it's like. Yeah, I don't know.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: I can understand the sentiment between regulating it, but it's
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: just how effective are they actually at regulating it?
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Like, how do you know if somebody's brewing it in
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: their basement?
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: You don't know. You don't. Like I said, or selling
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: it in the black market in the dark alleys of
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Nocturne Alley. Someone's doing a beer to serum deal. Yeah.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: They get caught.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: What? It's just water.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Right. Oh, my God. It's like the metal.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Here, have a whiff. It's fine. Yeah.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's funny. So another one that I found that
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: was really cool is, I don't know if it's Barufio.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say Barufio. It's brain elixir. And this
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: is a potion that's used to increase the drinker's brain power.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: So think like mental agility, concentration, wakefulness. So I think
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: it's pretty self-explanatory why this one would be super useful.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: Just think of how productive you could be getting through school.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: getting through your work day. I just like think this
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: one is so cool. But again, this is another potion
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: that can have pretty harmful neurological effects if brewed incorrectly,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: which makes sense because you are drinking something that is
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: altering the brain. And again, it can have some pretty
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: negative side effects, which we do see in the muggle
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: world with medications that are out there to alter the
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: brain chemistry can also have some, you know, side effects,
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: but this one's probably like way worse because of the
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: whole magical, you know, component. So this potion is green
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: in color and the known ingredients are leaping toadstools as
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: opposed to regular leaping variety.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Sitting still toe stools.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Um frog brains yum runes for eggs powdered dragon claw
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: so again how you get close enough to a dragon
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: to get one of their claws to then powder it
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: don't know but uh you need it and oil Don't
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: know if that's the canola variety, the olive oil variety,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: the vegetable, like not sure. Yeah. So again, I think
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: a potion that sounds really cool on the surface of
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: what it does, but it seems like it would just
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: be very challenging to actually obtain. Yeah. But we see it.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: So I guess you can make it. But again, I
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: think that some of these potions too, like you mentioned
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: just with limitations of accessibility, I think some of these
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: potions you probably could make when you're at Hogwarts because
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: they have access to just a lot of ingredients, but
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: in like your everyday life. And some of these ingredients
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: I just imagine would be really pricey. Like I feel
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: like powdered unicorn horn, powdered dragon claw are probably going
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: to cost a little bit more. Yeah. Cause they're harder
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: to get.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: So I thought of the Elixir of Life, which we
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: know comes from the Sorcerer's Stone. And I just find
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: this one like truly fascinating. So I want to read
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: the quote that we get from the book when they
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: find the library book that talks about the Sorcerer's Stone.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: And that says, quote, The ancient study of alchemy is
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: concerned with making the philosopher's stone a legendary substance with
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: astonishing powers. The stone will transform any metal into pure gold.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: It also produces the elixir of life, which will make
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: the drinker immortal. So it can prolong life and it
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: can also return a disembodied earthbound soul to a body,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: which is why Voldemort wanted the stone. Um, but I
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: had many questions and I'm just going to read all
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: these questions. Cause this is just the stream of consciousness
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: consciousness that was rolling through my brain last night, writing
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: this out. So basically I'm like, okay, how does the
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: stone produce a potion? Does it ooze out of the stone?
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: Do small bits of the stone need to be like
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: chipped off and added to the cauldron? Then you eventually
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: run out of a stone. Do you soak the stone
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: in the cauldron? Like a soup stone? Or do you just, like,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: need to possess the stone and then, like, add other
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: ingredients to a cauldron? And because you possess the stone,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: those ingredients will then make the elixir? Like, I need
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: to know how this works, and I don't think I
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: will ever know how this works. And that's sad to me.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: Well, and I think it's probably... for the best that
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: it's not very well known how it works because like
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: we talked about before, right? I think this one is
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: probably purposefully vague and purposefully advanced and difficult so that
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: not everybody is out there just making elixirs. Obviously not
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: everyone can just get the sorcerer's stone. That's the biggest barrier,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: but like, yeah.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: It's just so funny because I remember being a kid and,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: And watching the Sorcerer's Stone movie. And I was so
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: puzzled by this part. And all I could picture was
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: just the red stone sitting there. And there's just, like,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: liquid coming out of it. And, like, it's just, like,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: liquid flowing into, like, a bottle. Because I'm like, how
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: does this work? I don't know. But that's what I pictured.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: I think maybe I always thought that it was, like,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: you know how people put, like, lemon peel, like, zest? Yeah.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: On stuff. I just picture them taking the stone with
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: a little, like, grater and just, like, grating off some
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: bits of it into the potion. I think both are incorrect,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: both of our thought processes. Yeah, I mean, and we
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: don't ever find out how this potion is created.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: No. And we don't know the other ingredients. We've got
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: no idea.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: And then I'm also, I guess, wondering, like, so the
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: stone also has the ability of turning certain metals into
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: solid gold. How? Obviously, that has nothing to do with
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: the elixir of life, but just thinking about the stone, like,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: thinking about, like, how the heck does a stone create, like....
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, do you have to be, like, holding the
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: stone and then touch something, and then the thing you
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: touch turns to gold?
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: Right, because we don't see, I mean, I feel like
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: once the stone is gone, the stone is gone. Mm-hmm. So, like,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: if you had to, if the stone, if part of
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: the stone had to be placed into the, like, if
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: the stone itself was an ingredient... eventually it's going to
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: run out yeah and so I don't think that's how
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: it works because I think that it would have run
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: out given how long the flamels were using the elixir
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: of life right.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: That's why I'm wondering if it just has to like
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: soak in the substance I don't know or if it's
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: just merely that like you have the stone in your
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: possession that makes you able to make this I don't know.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: It's so confusing I mean, I also think it's something
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: that only Nicholas Flamel could do. I mean, he is
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: the only one, the only known maker of it. Right. And....
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: Only he knows.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that secret died with him.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So just like a lot of our other potions,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: the Elixir of Life does have limitations.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: So if it's used to extend the drinker's life beyond
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: their normal lifespan, they will become totally dependent on it,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: which we see Nicholas and Perenelle are, is the only
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: thing keeping them alive. So once they stop taking the elixir,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: they will die. If the stone is lost, obviously no
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: more potion, you're dead. It also doesn't stop the body
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: from aging. As we see with Nicholas Flamel. So you've
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: got eternal life, but you're also going to be like
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: old and decrepit. So is it really worth it? Like,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: I feel like.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: But I also like, what is your like safety like? Like,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: I think about... Obviously, we know like Voldemort, right, is
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: after this because he wants this, you know, and I'm
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: sure to him something like the elixir of life is
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: exactly what he wants. And I think about even comparing
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: it to something like the Elder Wand, right? And when
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: you have people that are out there that are determined
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: enough to get that. Right. The owner of the Elder
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: Wand is kind of like perpetually not safe. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: And it's not like they hid the fact that Nicholas
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: Flamel made the illiterate life.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: They publicized this.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: He's on a chocolate frog card.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I'm just like, I don't know if I'd
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: want that safety risk on me of people coming to
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: me to be like, you need to make this for me.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: And obviously we know like they hide the stone for
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: that reason. Like, well, I mean, cause of Voldemort and everything,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: but like, I just, yeah, I don't know.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: Is it worth it? No.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: And then another one that, like, came to mind for
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: me was, like, the wolf's bane potion. I just think
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: this one's really cool in that, you know, we know
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: that this potion allows werewolves to keep their human mind
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: after they've transformed. And unfortunately, it's not a cure for lycanthropy,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: but it is a very... good way to make a
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: very difficult condition more manageable, which is why I think
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: it's really cool. And this one too has like quite
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of like interesting ingredients. Um, and I didn't put,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: there's like in all these ingredients, you need a specific
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: amount of them, too. So, again, going back to, like,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: that exact science and art of what you need. But
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: this one has wolf's bane leaves, juice of mandrake leaves,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: dragon blood, powdered moonstone, which is, like, I think one
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: of the most common ingredients across, like, every potion.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: We hear that a lot.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Yep. The syrup of Halbor, again. Martlap tentacles, Sapa forest beans,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: and an Occamy egg.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: We're going into Newt's case.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: So I think probably, again, a more challenging potion for
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: just anybody to make.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: This potion has, other than just the ingredients that are needed,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: there's like a lot of like limitations, I think, to
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: this potion because there's just a lot of very specific
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: things that need to happen. So the person who is
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: taking the potion has to take a goblet full of
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: the potion. I don't know if this is measured in
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: certain ounces because I feel like goblets come in different sizes.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: But anyways, a goblet full of the potion must be
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: taken each day for a week leading up to the
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: full moon. So you've got to track when the full
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: moon is, know exactly when you got to start taking it,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: make sure you're taking enough of it and missing even
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: one dose can basically render it useless. So that's like
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. You also have to find a supplier,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: a maker and a supplier, right? And it's very, very
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: advanced potion, very complex to brew, which again makes sense
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: why Snape can. And yeah, I just, very similar to
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: what you brought up earlier, the Wolfsbane potion is a
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: very good example of accessibility concerns. Because you have this
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: potion that is essentially a game changer from those that
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: are suffering from lycanthropy. However, the ingredients are very expensive, which,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: and the potion itself is very advanced, so it makes
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: it very hard for werewolves to brew it themselves. Because
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: we did talk about this a little bit in our
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: Lupin episode, and also when we had our Patreon extended
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: discussion on werewolves, that many werewolves are living in poverty
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: due to their condition and their inability to hold jobs.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: So basically, you've got this potion that is so helpful
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: to them that is just behind this massive paywall that
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: makes it pretty inaccessible for most of them. And really, like,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: what helped, like, when we think of Lupin in particular,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, the whole reason why he even
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: has access to the Wolfsbane potion is that one year
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: that he's a professor at Hogwarts and has... you know,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: not needing to go and buy it himself and has a,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: somebody who can produce it, you know, right there in
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: the school for him.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: Right. Makes you wonder, did he have access to it
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: before he got that job?
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Right. Right. So yeah, a really, really good potion that
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: could do a lot of good, but unfortunately just is
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: really plagued by, I think a lot of the limitations of,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: of potions, unfortunately. Yeah.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: Um, so my last one is amortentia, which we've talked about, um, already,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: but this is just another one of those ones that
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: I find very questionable, but I'm also very intrigued by. Um,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: so amortentia, as we know, is the most powerful love
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: potion in existence, but what it creates is infatuation and obsession,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: not true love. Um, so a little bit of etymology.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: We know that Amor is the Roman God of love
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: and Amor with a U in it in French means love.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: Amor without the U means love in Spanish and Portuguese
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: and Tentia is Latin for held. So basically you're holding
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: someone's love or you're kind of like holding someone hostage
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: in a way. Um, As we mentioned, it has that
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: mother of pearl sheen. The steam also rises and spirals
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: and it smells differently to each individual person depending on
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: what they're attracted to. I find it interesting that they
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: teach this potion to students at Hogwarts because that seems
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: like a disaster waiting to happen. But I guess it's
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: so advanced that maybe they wouldn't really be able to
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: brew it successfully. So, Maybe that stops stuff from happening.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I feel like we just have it
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: being taught because obviously it's a plot point.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: For like, you know, Voldemort's backstory. But yeah, I think
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: that most of the potions that they probably teach them
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: are not successfully made and will never be successfully made.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: So I think it probably doesn't like necessarily work. pose
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: a threat in that way. I also think that, like,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: most people... I don't know, like... But what's interesting, though,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: is we've got the, like, little love potion that's sold
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: at Fred and George's shop.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: So, like, they're kind of, like, joke-ifying it. But it
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: also is, like, really scary. But I also think that...
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: Most people are not using it in a nefarious way.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: I think the average Witcher wizard or especially younger Witcher
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: wizard is probably doing it in a joking way. And also,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: like we mentioned earlier, this is one of the potions
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: that has like a very fixed time duration. Yes, it
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: wears off. I think that unless you're trying to administer
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: this potion in a nefarious way.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: I guess it's just the danger of what happens while
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: you're under the influence of the potion.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: Correct. Correct.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: That's where it gets shady.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: Right. I mean, and then obviously we see kind of
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: what happens with. Tom Riddle and like Merope and obviously
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: like a child is born out of this and won't,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: we won't go into just the darkness of that. But yeah,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: I think that the good thing is that probably is
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: more Rare. Hopefully. And yeah, I mean, and I think
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: in order to really keep that up, you need to
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: have like such a supply of it just like constantly.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: On hand because you have to just keep administering it.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: And I just think most people probably don't have the
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: dedication or the patience of that. But yeah, I imagine
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: that there's a lot of really not good things that
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: can happen while you're in this post under this, this potion.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: So I do think it is kind of questionable that
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: you can just go buy it and like a joke
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: kind of shop.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: Um, cause it could, yeah, it can lead to some
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: not good things, even if it only lasts for a
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: couple hours. Right. But I think too, that that's, that
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: is actually a really good example of just like how
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: dangerous like potions actually are, even if on the surface, um,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: They have a positive, you know, like a positive use
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: or they're for good. Mm-hmm. They kind of all have
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: that like pros and cons list to them. Yeah. And
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: the con just is like pretty big cons.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: Yes. Not just this little like, oh, you feel a
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: little weird. Like, no, like you could die. You could.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: You're never going to wake up.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: Right. You can take this, but you might never wake up. Or. Yeah,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, we see things like cauldrons blowing up and
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: fire and just like just it's. Yeah, kind of scary.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: It's just kind of scary. A little scary, but also
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: very cool. And again, there's like we said, there's so
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: many good potions out there in the same way that
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: we have a lot of really great medicine out there
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: as well. So the pros and cons of potion making.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: It's about to leave. Grab on to the portkey. Okay.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: So for today's portkey segment, um, I took a little
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: different spin here. So obviously our Porky is usually someplace
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: you can travel and this is absolutely a place you
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: can travel. And I was inspired by our discussion to
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: hunt down what could be like the oldest real world
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: equivalent of a potion shop. And I found one. I
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: thought that Google search was going to come up empty,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: but here we are. So basically, there are no magical
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: potion shops that we know of being muggles. But the
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: closest real world equivalent is... Officina Profumo. I'm not Italian.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: This is going to be rough. The Officina Profumo Pharmaceutica
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: di Santa Maria Novella in Florence, Italy. And that may
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: be the last time I say the name of this shop.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: From herein known as the shop.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: The shop.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: The shop is widely recognized as the oldest apothecary and
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: pharmacy in the world, established in 1221 by Dominican friars
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: when they arrived in Florence. So the friars would have
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: been based at the Basilica of Santa Maria della Vella,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: thus the name of the shop. They used medicinal herbs
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: from the monastic gardens to make medicines and bombs used
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: in the monks' infirmary. Word spread about the healing properties
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: of the medicines that they were making, and they opened
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: the apothecary to the public in 1612, which is already
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: wild that this thing was going on from 1221 to 1612.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: and was around for that many years. And it's even
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: crazier that it's still open. So very condensed history here.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: But in the 1700s, it became world famous due to
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: the quality of the products made. So like people in
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: like Russia and China knew about this apothecary in Florence, Italy.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: In the 1800s, the Italian government confiscated the church's assets.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: And so the the company became state-owned. But later, the
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: shop would get handed back over to Césaire Augusto Stefani,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: who was the nephew of the last monastic director. And
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: Stefani ran the shop, and it has now been overseen
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: by four generations of the same family. So that's kind
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: of cool. Um, so today in the year 2026, customers
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: can visit the herbalist shop to purchase elixirs and remedies
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: made from natural ingredients, many of which are grown locally
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: in Florence. And the shop also sells items made from
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: original recipes from 800 years ago from those original fryers
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: that founded it. Um, So in the name of the shop,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: you may have noticed that it's the Profumo Pharmaceutica. So Profumo, perfume.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: They also sell perfumes. The monks first made perfume in
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: 1533 when they created a perfume for Catherine de' Medici
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: when she left Florence to marry King Henry II of France.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: So that was kind of like their little wedding gift
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: to her. You can actually buy perfumes. that scent, um,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: at this shop still, which is really cool. Like they
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: still have the recipe and they recreate it. Um, so yeah,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: if you ever find yourself in Italy and you stop
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: in Florence, you can go and visit the Officina Profumo
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: Pharmaceutica of Santa Maria Novella. I didn't do too bad
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: that time.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: That's acceptable.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: I was like, well, she said she wasn't going to
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: say it again. Is she going to go for it?
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: I did it. I got confident.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Great job.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: Great job.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: No, yeah, that's really cool that it's just been around
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: for unfathomable amounts of years. 800 years.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: That's just wild, but so cool. It's the noise.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So last episode, the question that we asked is,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: would McGonagall have been better suited for Gryffindor or Ravenclaw?
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: And we got a response from Jerry who said that
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: she thinks that in the case of Minerva McGonagall, it
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: made the right choice. However, I think that like many
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: of us, she had bits of the other houses mixed in.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: She certainly has a very bright and educated mind and
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: values that. So there is a Ravenclaw secondary house. In addition,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: no one can doubt her loyalty and hard work, her
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: Hufflepuff side. And while ambition is not a strong part
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: of her character, for example, although she became headmistress of Hogwarts,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think she longed for that and would have
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: been happy to remain deputy under Dumbledore for many more
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  Speaker 1: years if it had been possible. She did want to
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: win slash succeed at things that seemed important to her,
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  Speaker 1: such as defeating Voldemort and Voldemort winning. Not Voldemort winning.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Let me do that again. Like defeating Voldemort and Gryffindor
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  Speaker 1: winning at Quidditch. As for her Quidditch position, I tend
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: to think she was a seeker as a young woman
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: slash teen. After all, Quidditch through the ages does say
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: that the worst fouls tend to be aimed at the seekers.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: But as you address in the discussion, she could have
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: played any position except perhaps keeper, which would have involved
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: a bit too much staying in one place for such
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: an active young woman.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. If not a chaser, which is my
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: original theory, I would say seeker. Mm-hmm.
• 1:24:36
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• 1:24:40
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• 1:25:02
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• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: All right. Well, we are well into spooky season, so
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: we'll definitely have a Halloween-related episode, I'm sure, coming up.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: So stay tuned. Until then, I'm Amy.
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