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Sharri | 18 March · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News nis.
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Speaker 2: Is Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Good evening, the United States drops bunker buster bombs on
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Speaker 3: underground missile sites near the Strait of Hormus. This is
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Speaker 3: breaking news and it comes as Trump deals with a
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Speaker 3: pylon despite the fact he's the only president trying to
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Speaker 3: stop the Iranian terror regime. We've also got tonight the
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Speaker 3: inside story of how Israel is hunting down Iranian officials
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Speaker 3: in their hideouts, and in more breaking news, an intelligence
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Speaker 3: officer might have been targeted in the past few hours.
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Speaker 4: We'll get the.
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Speaker 3: Latest with former IDF spokesman Jonathan Conricas and Dave Sharma
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Speaker 3: will also join me live. Major concerns the Albaneze government
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Speaker 3: is leading us into an economic catastrophe, soaring inflation, rate
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Speaker 3: rises and fuel supply issues. We've got the data for
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Speaker 3: just how many days each country in the world has
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Speaker 3: left of fuel. Australia is at the very bottom. Michael
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Speaker 3: Kroger and Adam Crichton will be here, Plus Pauline Hansen's
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Speaker 3: rock star reception spark speculation one nation's primary vote will
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Speaker 3: be higher than the coalition at the South Australia state election.
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Speaker 3: I'll talk about this with Paul Kelly in a moment
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Speaker 3: for first tonight, Western nations are pathetically refusing to support
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump in the Iran war. They won't even send
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Speaker 3: naval ships to keep the Strait of hor Moves open.
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Speaker 3: In response, just in the past few hours, America has
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Speaker 3: dropped five thousand pound bunker buster bombs on underground Iranian
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Speaker 3: missile sites near the Strait of Hormo's coastline. As I said,
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Speaker 3: just hours ago, as you can see, the US Central
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Speaker 3: Command announced the move to protect the flow of shipping
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Speaker 3: through this vital passageway. It's set in a statement the
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Speaker 3: Uranian anti ship cruise missiles in these sites posed a
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Speaker 3: risk to international shipping in the strait, and it spoke
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Speaker 3: about the five thousand pound deep penetrator munitions on these
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Speaker 3: hardened Iranian missile sites along Iran's coastline near the Strait
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Speaker 3: of hor Moves. Now, these bombs are reportedly similar to
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Speaker 3: the bunker busters that the US unloaded on Iran's underground.
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Speaker 4: Nuclear sites just last year.
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Speaker 3: Now, this breaking news comes after a big win for
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Speaker 3: America and Israel in taking out Iran's top terror leaders.
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Speaker 3: This just as we went to air last night, and
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Speaker 3: the stage is now set for a pathway to encourage
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Speaker 3: an Iranian uprising to bring down the IIGC regime. Now,
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Speaker 3: when we're on air, last night, we brought you the
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Speaker 3: breaking news that Iran's top security chief Ali Larijani and
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Speaker 3: the head of the besiege Voss Golombrezza Solomoni, plus his
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Speaker 3: deputy and others have all been killed. Larajani's death is
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Speaker 3: the most significant. He was Kamena's hand picked deputy. He
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Speaker 3: was Iran's hardline de facto leader, and he directed the
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Speaker 3: deadly execution of Iranian protesters in January. He'd also made
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Speaker 3: quietly several trips recently to Russia. Well, we're now learning
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Speaker 3: that he was at a hideout on the outskirts of Tehran.
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Speaker 3: Israel discovered his location and killed him with a precision
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Speaker 3: missile strike. The Wall Street Journal reports that Israel is
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Speaker 3: hunting down Iranian regime members in their hideouts one by one.
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Speaker 3: President Trump today spoke about the significs of these figures
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Speaker 3: being targeted.
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Speaker 5: Their leaders are gone. I guess one of the top person.
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Speaker 5: They say a lot of people say their actual top
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Speaker 5: was killed yesterday along with somebody else that who was
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Speaker 5: responsible for the killing. The man that was responsible for
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Speaker 5: the killing of thirty two thousand people over the last
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Speaker 5: two weeks. He was in charge of the killing of protesters.
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Speaker 5: It's an evil group.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 3: Just six days ago, Ali Larajani posted this taunt on x.
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Speaker 3: Trump says he's looking for a speedy victory. While starting
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Speaker 3: a war is easy, it can't be one with a
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Speaker 3: few tweets. We will not relent until making you sorry
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Speaker 3: for this grave miscalculation, and he had the hashtag. As
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Speaker 3: you can see, Trump must pay well. It didn't end
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Speaker 3: so well for Lara Johanni, as he said, can't be
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Speaker 3: one with tweets, and Iran has confirmed the news that
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Speaker 3: he has been taken out now. This also shows the
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Speaker 3: difference between the propaganda war that has been so successful
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Speaker 3: for the jihadists on social media versus the actual war,
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Speaker 3: where America and Israel appears to have been winning with
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Speaker 3: superior intelligence, sophistication, and the determination of young men and
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Speaker 3: women from the IDF fighting for their country.
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Speaker 4: Taking out Iran's top.
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Speaker 3: Chiefs has been described as a decapitation strategy, and it's
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Speaker 3: meant to help the Iranians rise up.
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Speaker 4: That's the plan.
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Speaker 3: The former deputy commander of Israeli's special Operations. Doron Kempele
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Speaker 3: outlined this process on Fox News today.
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Speaker 6: We'll know in about two weeks whether the CIA and
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Speaker 6: the Mossad give the green light and that the conditions
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Speaker 6: on the ground allow for so called friendly general to
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Speaker 6: start the uprising. If that is impossible, and we'll know
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Speaker 6: in the next two weeks. Now, if there is an
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Speaker 6: uprising and the Iranians become friends with us, then trucks
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Speaker 6: can come in and take the uranium out.
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Speaker 4: So that's the hope. In about two weeks.
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Speaker 3: The plan is for there to be an Iranian uprising, perhaps.
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Speaker 4: A civil war, a civil uprising.
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Speaker 3: So far, Israel and the United States have dropped ten
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Speaker 3: thousand bombs on thousands of different Iranian targets, and Israeli
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister benjaminette Na who again urged Iranians to rise up,
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Speaker 3: and he said, we're watching from above.
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Speaker 1: This is meant to enable the great people of Iran
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Speaker 1: to celebrate the festival of Fire. So celebrate and happin
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Speaker 1: rules we're watching from above.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: The war has sparked the very real prospect of a
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Speaker 3: global oil crist its movement has been very limited, if
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Speaker 3: not stopped, through the Strait for around a week now now,
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Speaker 3: Trump has lashed out at America's supposed allies after they
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Speaker 3: all refuse to help keep the Strait of Hormus open
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Speaker 3: for international shipping. President has hit out at Australia, even France,
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Speaker 3: the UK, and other NATO allies for refusing to help well.
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Speaker 3: Sitting right next to Ireland's Prime Minister Michael Martin in
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Speaker 3: the White House, Trump was asked directly about Ireland's criticism
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Speaker 3: of the war, and his answer was gold.
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Speaker 5: He's lucky I exist. That's all I can say. Because
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Speaker 5: if you're going to allow countries that are sick and demented,
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Speaker 5: and they are demented to have nuclear weapons, everybody in
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Speaker 5: the whole world should be very thankful. And I'm disappointed
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Speaker 5: in NATO, very disappointed. I'm disappointed in a couple of
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Speaker 5: other countries too.
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Speaker 3: He then specified which other countries they were. He wrote
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Speaker 3: on social media about Australia, he said, the United States
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Speaker 3: has been informed by most of our NATO allies that
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Speaker 3: they don't want to get involved with our military operation.
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Speaker 3: We no longer need or desire the NATO country's assistance.
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Speaker 4: We never did.
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Speaker 3: Likewise, Japan, Australia, or South Korea, and he pointed out
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Speaker 3: just how much money the US has put into NATO.
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Speaker 5: I'm disappointed in that we spend trillions of dollars on that.
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Speaker 5: To think of it, trillions over the years, many trillions
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Speaker 5: of dollars. It's one of the reasons we have deficits now.
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Speaker 3: Andrew Hasey today described Trump's social media comments as petulant.
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Speaker 3: But you can understand why the President might be disappointed
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Speaker 3: or even angry, because he's asking for allies not to
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Speaker 3: join the war, not to fight, simply to and a
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Speaker 3: military presence to help keep the straight of hor moves
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Speaker 3: open for transporting oil to stop a global oil crisis.
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Speaker 3: Pretty simple request. And this isn't necessarily even to help
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Speaker 3: the United States because it has its own domestic supply
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Speaker 3: of energy. This is to help countries like Australia which rely.
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Speaker 4: On oil imports. Now.
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Speaker 3: Matt Canavan said that Australia should do what we can
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Speaker 3: militarily to support the US. He said this on Andrew
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Speaker 3: Bolt's show just a little while ago.
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Speaker 7: I made my points about the initial tax weeks ago.
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Speaker 7: But our friend the United States is in this now.
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Speaker 7: Our other friends of the golfer subject to unjustified attacks
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Speaker 7: from a theocratic regime. We should do what we can
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Speaker 7: to help protect our friends. Obviously, we also need to
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Speaker 7: protect our own national interest and be mindful of the
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Speaker 7: situation here in the Asia Pacific. But we've got to
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Speaker 7: help friends out. But there's also a self interest here.
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Speaker 3: He's right, of course, but the Albanese government doesn't even
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Speaker 3: want to help itself here, unfortunately for our diesel and
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Speaker 3: petrol prices in Australia. Not to mention the cause of
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Speaker 3: democracy and freedom, Trump is dealing with left leaning global
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Speaker 3: leaders like Albanezi, who, as you know, once yelled into
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Speaker 3: a megaphone at a pro Palestinian protest outside the American
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Speaker 3: consulate in Sydney, where flags were burned. What a contrast
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Speaker 3: between these weak need leftist leaders today and those who
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Speaker 3: stood alongside the United States in the past.
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Speaker 4: And on the mantelpiece behind Trump.
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Speaker 3: To the right, you might be able to spot there
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Speaker 3: a sculpture of Winston Churchill. Well, as Trump has said,
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Speaker 3: Starmer and his Zilk are no Churchill. It's also a
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Speaker 3: reminder of the greater reason that Trump is in this
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Speaker 3: war to prevent the global spread of terror and radical Islam,
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Speaker 3: to defend our freedom, our democracy, and Western civilization, and
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Speaker 3: an added benefit, of course, to help the Iranian people
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Speaker 3: who are being cruelly repressed. The axis of evil Iran, China,
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Speaker 3: and Russia are working together. Zelensky has said that Russia
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Speaker 3: has been supplying missiles to Iran, but the Allied nations
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Speaker 3: are not working together. Meanwhile, Trump also has his own
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Speaker 3: dissenters to deal with In the United States. The director
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Speaker 3: of the National Counter Terror Center, Joe Kent, made headlines
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Speaker 3: today for quitting, saying he doesn't support the war, and
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Speaker 3: he claimed that Iran posed no imminent threat to America.
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Speaker 3: He said, it's clear that we started this war due
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Speaker 3: to pressure from Israel and its powerful American lobby. He
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Speaker 3: said early in this administration, high ranking Israeli officials and
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Speaker 3: influential members of the American media deployed a misinformation campaign.
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Speaker 3: This is a dangerous smear blaming Jews in America for
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Speaker 3: starting the war.
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Speaker 4: Of course, it's false.
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Speaker 3: It's the same line that Meek and Kelly has been
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Speaker 3: running when she tries to.
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Speaker 4: Blame Mark Levin, among others. Ben Shapiro too.
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Speaker 3: It was Trump who decided to take military action after
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Speaker 3: the disastrous decisions of former President Obama who did that
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Speaker 3: deal in twenty fifteen that gave a run billions of
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Speaker 3: dollars which.
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Speaker 4: They used to finance terror.
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Speaker 3: Now, Joe kntis clearly a far right figure, an isolationist
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Speaker 3: influenced by the likes of Tucker Carson and Megan Kelly.
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Speaker 3: Instead of being so obsessed with American Jews in Israel,
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Speaker 3: he should be worried about the terror that Iran has
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Speaker 3: reached on the world, including the assassination attempts on President
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Speaker 3: Trump and on former Secretary of.
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Speaker 4: State Mike Pompeo.
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Speaker 3: For many in the far right, MAGA orbit grossly underestimate
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Speaker 3: the threat that Iran poses globally. And there's no greater
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Speaker 3: illustration of it than the fact that even here, many
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Speaker 3: thousands of kilometers away in Australia, we've had synagogues and
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Speaker 3: Australian businesses fire bombed in attacks orchestrated by Iran. The
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Speaker 3: threat is global and our Albanezy government, among others, should
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Speaker 3: remember that.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to come back to that shortly with Jonathan
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Speaker 3: Conricus and Dave Sharma. But now let's look at interest rates,
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Speaker 3: and it's clear that Middle Australia will be smashed by
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Speaker 3: higher interest rates, sticky inflation and the fuel crisis. Families
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Speaker 3: are left wondering whether we're already living through a recession
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Speaker 3: in everything but name. The Daily Telegraph reported on this
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Speaker 3: today with a damning front page, a nightmare on Chalmers
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Speaker 3: Street and families painted a brutal picture of what this
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Speaker 3: economy now looks like for them. Adma Musa, a mother
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Speaker 3: of two, had the line that says it all. She said,
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Speaker 3: the moment your salary hits the bank account, it's gone
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Speaker 3: just on bills. Her husband, Tony, who runs a concrete
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Speaker 3: delivery company, put it bluntly. He said, I have to
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Speaker 3: pass on my costs to people, cement, my materials, the
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Speaker 3: cost of diesel, it's all gone up. Where in a
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Speaker 3: recession there's no way when not Families are stretch to
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Speaker 3: the brink. Yet, Alberneze's campaign pledge both in twenty twenty
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Speaker 3: two and twenty twenty five was to make life more
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Speaker 3: affordable for people. He's done the exact opposite, but he
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Speaker 3: doesn't seem to grasp the extent to which families are struggling.
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Speaker 3: A case in point today, he blamed motorists for buying
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Speaker 3: too much petrol.
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Speaker 8: Just take what you need, be sensible. There has been
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Speaker 8: in some places a doubling of demand.
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Speaker 3: It's in this climate of economic uncertainty that Pauline Hansen
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Speaker 3: is soaring in the polls and received a rock star
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Speaker 3: reception when she did a street walk with Chris Kennelly
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Speaker 3: in Adelaide Today.
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Speaker 9: Can should be the Prime Minister of Australia.
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Speaker 1: Every day of the week.
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Speaker 4: There's for ken Hello, Peter, thanks, thank you very much.
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Speaker 10: Photo for you.
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Speaker 11: South Australia is not really one nation country.
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Speaker 8: Is this surprising how much truction you're getting here.
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Speaker 12: I've got this all over the state as I've traveled around,
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Speaker 12: no different and you'll see people from all different cultural backgrounds.
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Speaker 12: So to say that the migrants don't support me, or
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Speaker 12: to call me a racist is just a word throwing
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Speaker 12: out there because you have a no argument with me.
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Speaker 12: You don't know how to debate me on the issues
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Speaker 12: my policies.
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Speaker 3: And joining me now for analysis is The Australians Editor
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Speaker 3: at Large.
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Speaker 4: Paul Kelly. Paul, great to see you, thank you for
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Speaker 4: being here.
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Speaker 6: As always, great to be with your showing.
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Speaker 3: Starting with the economy, interest rates of cost Rose yesterday.
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Speaker 4: Inflation was already rising before the war.
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Speaker 3: The war contributes to these economic conditions, but the stage
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Speaker 3: was already set. What's your analysis of how the government
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Speaker 3: is reacting to this.
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Speaker 2: Well, the first point to make is that this is
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Speaker 2: the interest rate increase that we didn't need to have.
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Speaker 2: We've had this interest rate increase because the Reserve Bank,
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Speaker 2: the Central Bank has mismanaged monetary policy over the last
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Speaker 2: couple of years. It was too soft, it was too
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Speaker 2: dubbish in tackling inflation. It should have increased interest rates higher,
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Speaker 2: and then it cut interest rates. It misjudged the inflationary situation,
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Speaker 2: and what happened was that the bank had to correct.
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Speaker 2: We've now had two increases in interest rates. And the
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Speaker 2: fundamental point to make is this is not connected with
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Speaker 2: the Iranian war. This is not connected with higher petrol prices.
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Speaker 2: Where are yet to come to grips with those challenges
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Speaker 2: when it comes to monetary policy. So this is the
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Speaker 2: first point to make. And I think the interesting point
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Speaker 2: made by the governor when she raised the issue of recession. Now,
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Speaker 2: the bank doesn't want a recession, the government doesn't want
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Speaker 2: a recession, nobody wants a recession. I think This is
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Speaker 2: all about the governor trying to reclaim interest rate credibility
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Speaker 2: for the bank. And what she's saying is, we're going
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Speaker 2: to take inflation seriously, will be inflation hawks we will
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Speaker 2: take the decisions required. If that means we have to
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Speaker 2: go to a recession, we'll accept that. So, in other words,
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Speaker 2: what she's doing is she's reclaiming the monetary policy credibility
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Speaker 2: that the bank has lost. The other point she's making,
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Speaker 2: I think is she's sending an indirect message to the government,
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Speaker 2: and that message is we want your help. This is
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Speaker 2: a serious situation. Interest rates may have to go up
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Speaker 2: further depending upon what happens in the war, what happens
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Speaker 2: in the Gulf, and this means that we want support
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Speaker 2: from the government in terms of the battle against inflation.
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Speaker 2: I think that's the other really significant message she's sending.
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Speaker 4: Now, this is the.
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Speaker 3: Issue because it does seem like the fight has been
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Speaker 3: one side.
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Speaker 4: It has been from.
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Speaker 3: The RBA in its one lever of rates spending restraint.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we're unlikely to get that in the upcoming
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Speaker 3: May budget, are we.
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Speaker 2: Well, we'll have to see. I mean we've had the treasurer,
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Speaker 2: we've had the Treasurer telling us that he's prepared to
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Speaker 2: take tough decisions in the May budget. My personal view
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Speaker 2: is that I don't think we'll see a lot of
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Speaker 2: hard decisions when it comes to spending. But look, we're
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Speaker 2: now in a fascinating economic policy situation. The Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: today has given a really important speech saying we need
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Speaker 2: a new economic model in Australia. And this model is
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Speaker 2: about strengthening the supply change in this country. It's making
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Speaker 2: Australia a far more resilient and independent economy, whether we're
19:25
Speaker 2: talking now about vaccines when it came to COVID, whether
19:29
Speaker 2: we're talking about fuel reserves, whether we're talking about critical minerals,
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Speaker 2: the digital, the high tech economy. So essentially, what Albanezi
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Speaker 2: is saying is he wants to define the government's response
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Speaker 2: in this crisis as being one of economic resilience. That
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Speaker 2: means a very active role for industry policy, it means
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Speaker 2: more government intervention. This is quite similar to the sort
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Speaker 2: of things that Matt Canavan and Andrew haste You have
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Speaker 2: been talking about. Now the Prime Minister has put that
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Speaker 2: model up in lights today. But the interesting thing is
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Speaker 2: when it comes to the Treasurer what's the Treasurer been
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Speaker 2: talking about. Well, in recent times, the treasure has been
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Speaker 2: talking about the need for more savings and a greater
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Speaker 2: commitment to productivity. So how will these two concepts feed
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Speaker 2: together when it comes to the budget.
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Speaker 3: What I find so frustrating is we heard from politicians,
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Speaker 3: including Albanisi, this message of self reliance.
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Speaker 4: After the COVID pandemic.
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Speaker 3: He has been prime minister for four years. Paul, Why
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Speaker 3: are we only hearing that now when petrol's supply is
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Speaker 3: going to be a very critical issue in about a
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Speaker 3: month's time if the strait of hor moves remains closed.
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Speaker 3: I mean, what action did anyone take to make our
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Speaker 3: nation more self reliant after we hit with these very
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Speaker 3: same issues as you just identified during the COVID pandemic.
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Speaker 2: Well, the fundamental question when it comes to economic policy
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Speaker 2: over the past four years is whether the government has
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Speaker 2: had the right policy settings for them challenges the country phases.
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Speaker 2: I mean, essentially, what's happened before the election. We had
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Speaker 2: a seven quarters of negative per capita income growth. This
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Speaker 2: is extraordinary. We've had stagnant living standards.
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Speaker 4: A session for families.
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Speaker 2: Well, well, we'll see what happens, yes, but when it
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Speaker 2: comes to family incomes. Yes, that sort of family income
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Speaker 2: measure means that there's been stagnant increase in living standards
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Speaker 2: and a number of households have actually gone backwards. The
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Speaker 2: question is the government has not applied the sort of
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Speaker 2: pro productivity measures that were needed to increase living standards.
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Speaker 2: One of the questions now is will this happen in
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Speaker 2: the budget or not? Now, it couldn't be too confident.
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Speaker 2: The Treasurer has talked up the need for action, but
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Speaker 2: talk is one thing. Action is another thing altogether, and
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Speaker 2: I think we're yet to see that the decisions coming
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Speaker 2: out of the cabinet which will tackle these issues. But
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Speaker 2: I think people have made the very valid point. This
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Speaker 2: is the second budget of the second term. We know
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Speaker 2: the economic challenges are really severe in terms of productivity,
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Speaker 2: in terms of inflation. We know the government is in
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Speaker 2: a commanding political position. Now is the time for an
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Speaker 2: ambitious policy budget. Will the government break away from its
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Speaker 2: addiction to incrementalism and reset economic policy. I think that's
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Speaker 2: the fundamental question, and you wouldn't be confident the answer
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Speaker 2: will be yes.
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Speaker 3: Just finally, Paula want to ask you about the rise
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Speaker 3: of one nation We've seen this in the polls for
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Speaker 3: a while.
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Speaker 4: But Chris Kenny on the.
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Speaker 3: Streets of Adelaide today doing that street walk with Pauline Hanson,
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Speaker 3: I mean he saw it first hand.
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Speaker 4: She was barely criticized.
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Speaker 3: Rock star reception was how he described it. Are you
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Speaker 3: expecting that the One Nation primary vote in the South
22:55
Speaker 3: Australian state election this weekend could be higher than the
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Speaker 3: coalitions close to it?
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not making a prediction along those lines, but
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Speaker 2: all the signs are that One Nation's primary vote will
23:07
Speaker 2: be fairly strong at the next weekend South Australian election. Look,
23:11
Speaker 2: I'd make a couple of points about this. The first
23:14
Speaker 2: point is that the Liberal Party is in an existential crisis.
23:19
Speaker 2: It's got to sort out what its core beliefs are,
23:22
Speaker 2: what its core identity is. This will take a while,
23:26
Speaker 2: and there's no doubt that people have been very disenchanted
23:28
Speaker 2: with the coalition with the Liberal Party, they have moved
23:32
Speaker 2: to One Nation. The point I'd make is this that
23:36
Speaker 2: within the broader cultural debate on the right, Pauline Hansen
23:40
Speaker 2: has been treated as a political heroine and a cultural celebrity.
23:46
Speaker 2: She doesn't deserve that status, but it's everywhere. It's everywhere,
23:50
Speaker 2: and it's seemed, particularly in the interviews Pauline Hanson gives,
23:54
Speaker 2: the interviews are more friendly exchanges, then they're not professional
23:58
Speaker 2: interviews that people would conduct with the Prime minister or
24:03
Speaker 2: opposition leader. I think Matt Canaban made some very good
24:06
Speaker 2: points the other day asking what has Pauline Hansen contributed
24:11
Speaker 2: in terms of meaningful policy in this country, in terms
24:14
Speaker 2: of economic policy, in terms of social policy. The answer
24:17
Speaker 2: is nothing. And when you look at a social policies,
24:21
Speaker 2: clearly they are very divisive for the country, just as
24:24
Speaker 2: progressive support for identity politics is also divisive. So what
24:30
Speaker 2: I'd say is this the status that people on the
24:34
Speaker 2: right have accorded Pauline Hansen is not justified, is not
24:38
Speaker 2: justified by her history, by her performance, or by her
24:43
Speaker 2: current policies.
24:44
Speaker 3: It's a reflection of the times and the weakness of
24:48
Speaker 3: the Liberal Party.
24:48
Speaker 2: As you point out, it is a reflection of the times,
24:51
Speaker 2: the weakness of the Liberal Party and the delusions of
24:55
Speaker 2: much of the cultural and political right in this country.
24:59
Speaker 3: And there's probably also part of it a response to
25:01
Speaker 3: the Bond Eyed terrorist attack. I would say as well,
25:04
Speaker 3: Paul Kelly, as you know, I always love having you
25:06
Speaker 3: on the program.
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Speaker 4: Great honor to have you. Thank you very.
25:09
Speaker 2: Much, Thanks very much, SHELI, thank you.
25:12
Speaker 5: Right.
25:13
Speaker 3: Let's return to the war in Iran now, and we're
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Speaker 3: hearing more details of how Mossad agents are reportedly directly
25:21
Speaker 3: calling Iranian commanders as Israel Is hunting down regime figures
25:26
Speaker 3: in hiding. There's an incredible article in the Wall Street
25:29
Speaker 3: Journal that gives this inside story on the intelligence operations.
25:34
Speaker 3: It details one phone call between a senior Iranian police
25:38
Speaker 3: commander and a Mossad agent.
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Speaker 4: Have a look at the transcript. Can you hear me?
25:43
Speaker 3: A Mossad agent says in FARSI, we know everything about you.
25:49
Speaker 3: You're on our blacklist and we have all the information
25:52
Speaker 3: about you. The commander says, okay. The Mossad agent says,
25:56
Speaker 3: I called to warn you in advance that you should
25:58
Speaker 3: stand with your peace sight and if you will not
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Speaker 3: do that, your destiny will be as your leader. The
26:06
Speaker 3: Uranian police commander says, I swear on the Quran. I'm
26:10
Speaker 3: not your enemy. I'm a dead man already. Just please
26:14
Speaker 3: come help us.
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Speaker 4: Let's bring it now.
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Speaker 3: Former IDF spokesman Jonathan Conricus Jonathan, thanks for joining the
26:22
Speaker 3: show once again. Does this show the total intelligence penetration
26:27
Speaker 3: in Iran? And tell us about this strategy, this decapitation strategy.
26:35
Speaker 10: Yes, hello, and.
26:36
Speaker 4: I mean that, sorry I should.
26:37
Speaker 3: Say I mean that in a metaphoric sense.
26:39
Speaker 4: There's not literally decapitations going on.
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Speaker 10: No, there are eliminations going on. But we don't have
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Speaker 10: two mince words. What you described is not even you know,
26:51
Speaker 10: the tip of the iceberg. There is a lot lot happening,
26:56
Speaker 10: a lot of very frantic activity, tempo activity by Mosad
27:03
Speaker 10: and by CIA and by other agencies military intelligence, and
27:09
Speaker 10: it's coupled by or it's supported by kinetic activity, meaning
27:13
Speaker 10: taking out Iranian masters of violence of terror. There's reports
27:19
Speaker 10: in Fox News which I think are pretty credible that
27:22
Speaker 10: iswel also eliminated Israel and the US together eliminated the
27:27
Speaker 10: Iranian Minister of Intel, which is the title Ismail Hatib,
27:32
Speaker 10: and he is really the overseer, the political overseer of
27:36
Speaker 10: overseas operations, including attempts at Westerners' lives, political assassinations, perhaps
27:43
Speaker 10: even the one who was behind the attempts on President
27:48
Speaker 10: Donald Trump's lives. But there's this effort ongoing which has
27:52
Speaker 10: various various approaches. One approach is the kinetic one, where
27:57
Speaker 10: as you said, Israel is targeting the leadership, the high
28:01
Speaker 10: profile and the generals of the Iranian military and terror establishment,
28:07
Speaker 10: and that is ongoing as we speak, it's relentless. Coupled
28:10
Speaker 10: with that, and in support of that, Israel is also
28:13
Speaker 10: doing a soft information psychological warfare approach where as you showed,
28:18
Speaker 10: calling and using other measures its text messages and other
28:22
Speaker 10: ways of communicating as well, in order to apply additional pressure.
28:27
Speaker 10: The overall objective is, of course, to weaken the regime,
28:30
Speaker 10: and true to what Israel has said and what the
28:33
Speaker 10: US had said, Israel wants to weaken this regime in
28:36
Speaker 10: order to make it more possible for the Iranian regime
28:40
Speaker 10: to actually reclaim their country. It is early days, you know. Honestly,
28:45
Speaker 10: I don't know how well it will work and how
28:48
Speaker 10: solid the outcome will be, what the Ranian people will
28:51
Speaker 10: eventually decide to do, and to be clear, it's up
28:53
Speaker 10: to the Iranian people. Is well in the US can help,
28:56
Speaker 10: but the future of Iran lies in the hands of
28:59
Speaker 10: the Iranian people. But Israel is definitely helping.
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Speaker 4: Well, that's the concern.
29:03
Speaker 3: As you say how good the outcome will be. I
29:06
Speaker 3: just want to reiterate the breaking news that you just
29:09
Speaker 3: mentioned in your answer there, the breaking news that Israel
29:12
Speaker 3: has targeted Iran's intelligence minister Ishmael Katib in an overnight strike.
29:19
Speaker 3: Reports that he's been killed, but not confirmation as I
29:23
Speaker 3: understand it, Jonathan, correct me if I'm wrong, But this
29:26
Speaker 3: is another very senior official intelligence minister, as you said,
29:31
Speaker 3: responsible for a lot of the attacks on Western nations. Jonathan,
29:36
Speaker 3: I just want to go to the outcome though. So
29:38
Speaker 3: there's this incredible success sophisticated intelligence taking out these commanders.
29:44
Speaker 3: We're seeing the leadership along with other strategies to try
29:48
Speaker 3: and urge the Iranian people to rise up. But clearly
29:52
Speaker 3: Iran is still firing missiles and it's still having success
29:57
Speaker 3: in effectively shutting down the straight up homers, which is
30:01
Speaker 3: impacting on the global economy, and that could result in
30:04
Speaker 3: Donald Trump ending the war to So what's your comment
30:09
Speaker 3: on this.
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Speaker 10: It could, but I think it's relatively unlikely. And I
30:14
Speaker 10: think that when you take a you know, no spin's assessment,
30:19
Speaker 10: no political spin, and just a military, hard, cold assessment
30:23
Speaker 10: of the two sides that are fighting Iran, on one hand,
30:27
Speaker 10: the US, Israel and certain Gulf states on the other.
30:30
Speaker 10: When you do an analysis of that, it's not even
30:33
Speaker 10: a contest. The Iranian regime is going to lose militarily.
30:37
Speaker 10: It is not even a question. It's a matter of time,
30:39
Speaker 10: and it's a matter of application of deliberate military force.
30:43
Speaker 10: And the Iranian regime will be without military capacity to
30:47
Speaker 10: do anything not you know, the acts of piracy and
30:51
Speaker 10: declar war and international shipping. They will not be able
30:55
Speaker 10: to continue to fire their ballistic missiles and drones at
30:58
Speaker 10: civilians all across the Middle East, and they will be
31:01
Speaker 10: left perhaps in control over Iran. And that's also a
31:05
Speaker 10: question mark over there, because when you look at what
31:07
Speaker 10: you know that that what the sites are capable of.
31:10
Speaker 10: The US and Israel dominate the skies, the seas and
31:14
Speaker 10: have complete freedom of movement to attack targets, to collect
31:17
Speaker 10: intelligence and attack targets at will, and that is what's
31:20
Speaker 10: doing and every day, that's what's what they're doing. And
31:23
Speaker 10: every hour that goes by, additional Iranian military capabilities are decimated.
31:29
Speaker 10: And you know, had it been a different US president
31:32
Speaker 10: and a different administration, I would have been perhaps more
31:35
Speaker 10: worried in terms of you know, pulling the plug before
31:39
Speaker 10: the work is done. I think that this American president,
31:42
Speaker 10: you can, you know, we can feel whatever we feel
31:44
Speaker 10: about style and other things. But at the end of
31:47
Speaker 10: the day, I don't think he's bothered too much by
31:50
Speaker 10: whatever mainstream or left leaning biased media is saying. I
31:56
Speaker 10: don't think it really He cares so much, and I
31:58
Speaker 10: think he has very thick skin and very importantly, I
32:01
Speaker 10: think he has a very clear sense of where he
32:04
Speaker 10: wants to bring the situation, and I think he has
32:07
Speaker 10: the cards to be able to do it as he says,
32:10
Speaker 10: and I agree, the strongest militarire in the world, it
32:12
Speaker 10: doesn't hurt to partner up with the strongest military in
32:15
Speaker 10: the Middle East, perfectly capable of fighting and together, I
32:19
Speaker 10: think Israel in the US will be able to actually
32:22
Speaker 10: see this through, and I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful for the region.
32:25
Speaker 10: I'm hopeful for the Israeli people. I'm hopeful for the
32:28
Speaker 10: Iranian people, and I think that if the US and
32:31
Speaker 10: Israel will be able to see this through, we can
32:33
Speaker 10: see real positive change in the Middle East despite everything
32:38
Speaker 10: that the naysayers and pessimists and whomever I'll talk not.
32:43
Speaker 3: Just the Middle East, but it would make our lives
32:45
Speaker 3: safer even here in Australia, where as I said, we've
32:48
Speaker 3: had a couple of terror attacks in the past year
32:51
Speaker 3: orchestrated by Iran. Jonathan conrich Is, thank you as always
32:54
Speaker 3: for your insights, really helpful. Right still to come Albitezy
32:58
Speaker 3: scrambles over Australia fuel supply, plus how we rank compared
33:03
Speaker 3: with other countries when it comes to days left of fuel.
33:07
Speaker 3: Bring you those details so much. Still on the show,
33:09
Speaker 3: Dave Sharma, Michael Kroger, Adam Crichton, all coming up. Let's
33:17
Speaker 3: bring in now former Victorian the Party president Michael Kroger
33:20
Speaker 3: and Sky News host Joey hilde Brand.
33:22
Speaker 4: Great to see you, by.
33:23
Speaker 2: Great to be here.
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Speaker 4: How are you sorry, Michael. At the side of the show.
33:27
Speaker 3: In my editorial tonight, I spoke about how the week allies.
33:30
Speaker 4: Are refusing to help Trump.
33:32
Speaker 3: He's the only president actually taking on the terrorist regime
33:36
Speaker 3: of Iran.
33:37
Speaker 11: Do you agree, yes, Well, there are reasons for that.
33:41
Speaker 11: You've got to remember look at these individually. In Britain,
33:45
Speaker 11: Kirstarmer has no political authority whatsoever. He's a cork in
33:49
Speaker 11: the ocean. He couldn't decide anything major in foreign pology
33:52
Speaker 11: because he's weakened position. The French speak for themselves, and
33:57
Speaker 11: all you've got to know is that every every Arab country,
34:01
Speaker 11: every Arab country in the Middle East is egging on
34:05
Speaker 11: Trump and net Nyaho. Every one of them are supporting
34:09
Speaker 11: the Americans. So you can forget about the rest. The
34:12
Speaker 11: people who's real instau at heart are these people. And look, Sharry,
34:16
Speaker 11: this is World War III, as I've said, and what
34:18
Speaker 11: we've seen here is the one of the most extreme
34:21
Speaker 11: regimes we've seen Cincinnati, Germany. I mean, look at what
34:24
Speaker 11: happened in Poland when lec Valessa was leading the Solidarity
34:29
Speaker 11: movement up to the fall of the Berlin Wall and
34:32
Speaker 11: communism in Poland. He wasn't murdered by the communist regime.
34:36
Speaker 11: As bad as they were, they didn't kill members of
34:39
Speaker 11: the Solidarity movement or kill Valesse. If you go to
34:42
Speaker 11: Czechoslovaki Vasklav Havel, the regime there didn't kill him or
34:47
Speaker 11: his supporters. They let them live and speak, and ultimately
34:51
Speaker 11: there were revolutions in those two and other countries. Fast
34:54
Speaker 11: forward to Iran, people say, oh, why isn't the revolution
34:57
Speaker 11: in the streets because the Iranian government are murdering. That
35:00
Speaker 11: puts the head out of the street. That's one of
35:02
Speaker 11: the reasons this regime has to be defeated. They are
35:05
Speaker 11: the most brutal regime we've seen, you know, since Hitler,
35:10
Speaker 11: probably as bad as Paul Potts and Idio men and
35:12
Speaker 11: some of these other threats to world peace. So it's
35:16
Speaker 11: terribly disappointing to see what the Allies have done. But
35:20
Speaker 11: the people a matter, the countries in the Middle East
35:22
Speaker 11: the right behind Trump, and they're right behind it. Yahu Joe, what.
35:25
Speaker 4: Do you think?
35:26
Speaker 9: Yeah, look, I think, I mean there's a limit to
35:28
Speaker 9: I think if Trump is looking for moral support, which
35:31
Speaker 9: the US often is, he's got it from Australia. The
35:34
Speaker 9: US doesn't really need our military support. It can do
35:37
Speaker 9: the job on its own or with Israel, as it's
35:40
Speaker 9: been proving it can, and the addition of Australian firepower
35:44
Speaker 9: is not going to help bring about regime change, either
35:47
Speaker 9: that happens organically and it happens in the context of
35:50
Speaker 9: the current conflict, or it doesn't. So I was very
35:53
Speaker 9: pleased that Australia came out immediately and said we support
35:55
Speaker 9: this action, we support this war we've immediately deployed troops
36:00
Speaker 9: or service personnel and the wedge tail aircraft for what
36:05
Speaker 9: we're saying as a defensive posture. But of course that
36:08
Speaker 9: you know, a good defense is often the best offense,
36:11
Speaker 9: and so that I mean, that's just much of a muchness,
36:14
Speaker 9: that's splitting hairs. And of course we know that there
36:16
Speaker 9: are Australian forces are providing details and information and intel
36:22
Speaker 9: to American and Israeli forces, certainly American forces anyway, which
36:27
Speaker 9: they are then using in their campaign. So I think
36:30
Speaker 9: Australia has shown and that's the difference between Australia and
36:32
Speaker 9: somewhere like France and the UK who've been who've been
36:35
Speaker 9: equivocal about even just supporting the war. And Kostama, I agree,
36:39
Speaker 9: has been incredibly limp, wristed and pathetic about this. Even
36:43
Speaker 9: when British assets in Cyprus were under attack or under threat,
36:48
Speaker 9: he did absolutely nothing that is completely different to the
36:51
Speaker 9: position Australia is taking. So I think it's very unfair
36:53
Speaker 9: of Trump to issue any criticism of US. We immediately
36:57
Speaker 9: backed him, and we've already committed troops or air personnel.
37:02
Speaker 9: We don't know exactly how many or what type day
37:04
Speaker 9: are it's hush hush and so and so. I think
37:07
Speaker 9: as is in it as much as it can be.
37:09
Speaker 9: And I'm with Michael. I want to see this regime
37:13
Speaker 9: burn to the ground.
37:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, and let's hope it does pant out that way,
37:16
Speaker 3: although that's still a big if.
37:18
Speaker 9: Well, that's right, we can damage that, we can kick
37:20
Speaker 9: the hell out of them without the regime actually falling.
37:22
Speaker 9: And that is the problem exactly.
37:24
Speaker 11: Shari. It is Shari. And well you've got to think
37:27
Speaker 11: that the regime's breaking, wouldn't you. I mean, the leaders
37:30
Speaker 11: have been killed one by one, The IGC head officers
37:33
Speaker 11: are being smashed, the intelligence chief is now reportedly may
37:36
Speaker 11: have been killed. We saw what happened last night. Besiege
37:39
Speaker 11: bases there. Officers are being smashed. I mean, sooner or later,
37:44
Speaker 11: this regime will break. I'm not sure it's going to
37:46
Speaker 11: be the former you know, Shah's son who comes in,
37:50
Speaker 11: because I don't know how he's going to arrive. How's
37:52
Speaker 11: he going to arrive? But you look at someone like
37:54
Speaker 11: mcmood Amandinajad, who was a previous president of Iran now
37:58
Speaker 11: an extremist by and layer the two thousand and nine
38:01
Speaker 11: Green Movement protests. We remember he had the besiege killed protested,
38:05
Speaker 11: but he was barred from running as the president of
38:09
Speaker 11: Iran in the last three elections. He was a known
38:13
Speaker 11: opponent in the last seven or eight years of Kameni.
38:17
Speaker 11: He was a post of the regime opposed the IERGC
38:20
Speaker 11: made some comments supportive of the Royalists. So even though
38:24
Speaker 11: he's got a bad history, he could be one person
38:26
Speaker 11: who the Americans and the Israelis could talk to. Because
38:29
Speaker 11: I think sooner or later Trump's going to keep on going.
38:32
Speaker 11: He keeps saying, oh, Len, sooner, Lens, And I don't
38:33
Speaker 11: think he's got any intention of ending it soon at all.
38:36
Speaker 11: It could be weeks or another month to go. There's
38:39
Speaker 11: going to be short term pain for long term game.
38:42
Speaker 11: And Shari. You know, as I said last week, the
38:44
Speaker 11: World War II went for six years, of Vietnam ward
38:46
Speaker 11: for twenty years. Four hundred thousand Americans were killed in
38:50
Speaker 11: World War II. So far thirteen you know, less than
38:53
Speaker 11: two thousand people has been killed in this war. Two
38:55
Speaker 11: thousand people have been killed. Terrible of that is, seventy
38:58
Speaker 11: million were killed in World War II. For good sake,
39:00
Speaker 11: But just.
39:01
Speaker 3: On that point, I mean, are we day seventeen of
39:03
Speaker 3: the war, something like seventeen or eighteen of the war.
39:06
Speaker 3: And the question that I hear Trump getting asked the
39:09
Speaker 3: most is when will this end? What's your exit strategy?
39:14
Speaker 3: When are you getting out? And it's like, it's seventeen days.
39:17
Speaker 4: The top of.
39:18
Speaker 3: The regime that's been in place since nineteen seventy nine,
39:22
Speaker 3: give them.
39:23
Speaker 11: A minute, doesn't strategy, it doesn't. It show you how
39:29
Speaker 11: out of touch the media are with the world and
39:34
Speaker 11: with world history. Just imagine if after you know, three weeks,
39:37
Speaker 11: they'd said to Chamberlain in thirty nine or Churchill from
39:40
Speaker 11: forty onwards Wednesdays forever, war going to end. It's been
39:42
Speaker 11: going for months now, I mean seventeen days. Look what
39:45
Speaker 11: the Israelis and the Americans have done in seventeen days.
39:48
Speaker 11: And as I said, every Arab country, right, every Arab
39:51
Speaker 11: country in the Middle East, from you know, Egypt, Bahrain, Qatar,
39:54
Speaker 11: the Saturday's a q eight is everybody, the UA, everybody.
39:57
Speaker 11: They all support what the Americans and the Israelis doing.
39:59
Speaker 11: All that and by other people.
40:01
Speaker 4: Matter ultimately exactly.
40:02
Speaker 3: And Trump sought their counsel. I don't think this has
40:04
Speaker 3: been reported enough.
40:05
Speaker 4: He sought their.
40:06
Speaker 3: Counsel for a couple of months before actually deciding to
40:10
Speaker 3: take this action bit because it inevitably.
40:12
Speaker 4: Would involve the whole region.
40:14
Speaker 3: Just to change tack for a second, Jess Wilson, the
40:17
Speaker 3: Victorian opposition leader, has stripped down her speedos.
40:20
Speaker 4: Yeah, really changing tack here.
40:22
Speaker 3: She's jumped into the pool social media video that's kind
40:26
Speaker 3: of gone viral today. She's marking what would have been
40:29
Speaker 3: the Commonwealth Games opening ceremony and she's making the point
40:34
Speaker 3: that this was a six hundred million dollar cancelation bill.
40:37
Speaker 4: Have a look at this.
40:40
Speaker 3: Today, would have been the opening ceremony for the Commonwealth
40:43
Speaker 3: Games here in Victoria.
40:45
Speaker 11: The fifteen billion dollar discus, how far.
40:48
Speaker 7: Can taxpayer money be thrown into waste and corruption? High John,
40:52
Speaker 7: highest taxes and highest debt, the dead dive, the budget bomb.
41:01
Speaker 3: I mean, Joe, she probably needs to do something a
41:05
Speaker 3: little bit different to cut through, given she's got such
41:07
Speaker 3: a long road ahead of her before the state election
41:10
Speaker 3: later this year.
41:11
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's always a double edged sword. This is the problem.
41:13
Speaker 9: So you get a video like this, it's a viral sensation.
41:15
Speaker 9: It's had I think hundreds of thousands of hits, perhaps
41:18
Speaker 9: even six hundred thousand. I think I read that's a
41:20
Speaker 9: crazy figure and it obviously shows the Liberal Party is
41:22
Speaker 9: pushing it very hard, but also shows that people are
41:25
Speaker 9: genuinely looking at it and it does seem like a
41:27
Speaker 9: really funny idea. It is quite funny when you see it.
41:31
Speaker 9: The question is, though, does this then damage her and
41:35
Speaker 9: her team's credibility down the line, Because.
41:38
Speaker 4: As much jumping into a swimming pool.
41:39
Speaker 9: Yeah, as much as we like to say that we
41:42
Speaker 9: want our politicians to be human and to be colorful
41:45
Speaker 9: or to say what they really think, history always tells
41:48
Speaker 9: us that whenever they actually do that, we turn on
41:50
Speaker 9: them and say, well, you're not a serious and respect
41:52
Speaker 9: to a person. And the number one example of this
41:54
Speaker 9: is of course Nick Xenophon, who was odds on to
41:57
Speaker 9: become the next South Australian premier a little while ago
42:02
Speaker 9: and instead got completely and utterly wiped out after releasing
42:06
Speaker 9: a similar.
42:07
Speaker 3: Sort of agree with Nick xanaphone and I've been meaning
42:14
Speaker 3: to cover this for a while. By the way, he's
42:16
Speaker 3: not doing great. He's had a health issue surgery for
42:20
Speaker 3: eight hours then for a brain tumor that affected him
42:23
Speaker 3: and he's not doing well.
42:25
Speaker 4: But to come back to the point.
42:26
Speaker 3: He was always a very colorful figure who was constantly
42:30
Speaker 3: doing publicity stunts, whereas Jess Wilson is a serious figure.
42:34
Speaker 4: Her background is economic, so I think she can afford
42:36
Speaker 4: to do a.
42:37
Speaker 9: Video like background he was leading until people thought that
42:40
Speaker 9: it just went too far. So I've got no problem
42:42
Speaker 9: against Polties being fun. I like to see more of it.
42:44
Speaker 4: But let's bring you Michael.
42:45
Speaker 3: What do you think also about Jess Willison, not just
42:48
Speaker 3: a video about her prospects up against Jacinta Alan at
42:51
Speaker 3: the Victorian state election, which is a more important question.
42:54
Speaker 11: So people know the vibe in Victoria is people treat
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Speaker 11: Jess Wilson as a very serious person. Why because they
43:01
Speaker 11: know she work for Fredenberg. You've got to be good
43:04
Speaker 11: to work for Josh Froenberg. Let me tell you you're
43:06
Speaker 11: not going to stay working for him, given the rate
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Speaker 11: and pace he went, unless you're an outstanding person, have
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Speaker 11: a very good mind, which is what Jess Wilson's got.
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Speaker 11: And then they knew she had a very senior position,
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Speaker 11: the position at the Business Council Australia. So Jess Wilson
43:21
Speaker 11: comes with instant credibility.
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Speaker 6: That video.
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Speaker 11: Whether people like it or not has gone through the roof.
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Speaker 11: It is incredibly popular. It's not for people like me
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Speaker 11: or Joe. It's for the twenty to thirty five year
43:33
Speaker 11: old audience and they love that stuff. Albow does a
43:37
Speaker 11: few of those. That video is one of the most
43:40
Speaker 11: spectacular successful advertising things I've seen for Yoms and humanizes herd,
43:46
Speaker 11: humanizes the team, and it makes the point about the
43:48
Speaker 11: wasted money on the Conworth game. So you know you've
43:51
Speaker 11: got the numbers, don't lie And in this case, that
43:53
Speaker 11: has been a phenomenal success, that video and.
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Speaker 9: Has it the first hit out. My question is just
43:58
Speaker 9: whether or not you know how many of those images
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Speaker 9: are going to be used in the next labor attack
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Speaker 9: AD to make it look like they're not serious.
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Speaker 11: I think they've got other problems and worrying. They certainly do.
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Speaker 3: All right, look, let's turn to something great that the
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Speaker 3: Men's government has done today. Yet again another could move
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Speaker 3: from the Men's government.
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Speaker 4: So displaying IIGC.
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Speaker 3: And his BUTOK toier symbols could soon mean two years
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Speaker 3: in jail. So this is Chris Mins moving to ban
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Speaker 3: these terror groups or symbols rather less sorry. He has
44:34
Speaker 3: moved to ban the symbols related to these terror groups.
44:38
Speaker 3: It would bring them into line with Nazi symbols. Also
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Speaker 3: the Islamic state flag with fines up to twenty two
44:43
Speaker 3: thousand dollars for individuals and one hundred and ten thousand
44:45
Speaker 3: dollars for corporations. Now, Joe, the issue is here. You
44:51
Speaker 3: don't often see the police actually enforcing these laws. And
44:56
Speaker 3: full credit to Chris Mins.
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Speaker 4: He takes action and and I can't praise him enough
45:02
Speaker 4: for that.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, really led from the front on this issue. So
45:06
Speaker 9: this is Michael was talking about the Second World War
45:08
Speaker 9: before and one of the things I always think about
45:11
Speaker 9: when you're talking about things like free speech and you
45:13
Speaker 9: know where the line has to be. I remember when
45:15
Speaker 9: they first went to ban the swastika in the UK
45:19
Speaker 9: ahead of the outbreak of the war, because of course
45:21
Speaker 9: we were now at war with that country and all
45:23
Speaker 9: the there was a story that all the intelligence agency says, no, no, no,
45:27
Speaker 9: you can't do that. That's how we find them. And
45:30
Speaker 9: so sometimes I think about that and think, if you
45:32
Speaker 9: have an extremist element in your community, you want to
45:35
Speaker 9: be able to find them and identify them. But the
45:38
Speaker 9: flip side of that, of course, is.
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Speaker 3: If you know you have to take They're very sorry, Joe,
45:43
Speaker 3: but they're very noisy. These people are posting on social
45:45
Speaker 3: media they're turning out to that's right.
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Speaker 9: And so the flip side of that is if you
45:48
Speaker 9: need to take these people out, you need a law
45:52
Speaker 9: under which the police can say, right, guv your knit
45:55
Speaker 9: and you know, if they're using weasel words to get
45:58
Speaker 9: it away from other things, they can at least say
45:59
Speaker 9: that's a sim And the other thing is, of course
46:01
Speaker 9: you've got the safety of a community, especially the Jewish
46:05
Speaker 9: community in Australia, for whom this is a constant reminder
46:07
Speaker 9: that we want.
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Speaker 2: To kill you.
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Speaker 4: So I've got to go Joe hud Around, Michael Kroger,
46:11
Speaker 4: thank you both. Soviet still to calm.
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Speaker 3: Australia could be alone among OECD nations to face a
46:17
Speaker 3: recession because the others have inflation under control. I also
46:22
Speaker 3: get Dave Sharma's view as Trump onloads on his allies.
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Speaker 4: That's next.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back and joining me now is Liberal Senator Dave Sharma. Dave,
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Speaker 3: thanks so much for your time. Look, I want to
46:37
Speaker 3: start off by showing you this graph which shows oil
46:41
Speaker 3: stockpiles by country. Let's bring it up if we can,
46:45
Speaker 3: and as you'll see, Australia is sitting near the bottom.
46:50
Speaker 3: If you've got good eyesight, Australia is right down the bottom,
46:54
Speaker 3: with roughly fifty days of imports covered well shot of
46:58
Speaker 3: the IEA's ninety day and Schmark Dave. This is the
47:02
Speaker 3: big issue and could be a serious problem over the
47:05
Speaker 3: coming weeks.
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Speaker 8: It could be a serious problem of sharing. You couple
47:10
Speaker 8: that with low oil stocks, inflation that's already running too high,
47:15
Speaker 8: government debt that's really too high, government spending that's already
47:18
Speaker 8: too high in the government'scity. The capacity of fiscal and
47:23
Speaker 8: monetary policy to respond to the external shock of an
47:27
Speaker 8: oil crisis is already very limited. All our shot or
47:30
Speaker 8: shot buffers, if effectively, have been shredded away, and this
47:34
Speaker 8: will only exacerbate that. And that's why we've seen price
47:37
Speaker 8: rises of fuel in Australia of around fifty cents a
47:40
Speaker 8: lead over the last three weeks, whereas in other countries
47:42
Speaker 8: with bigger stock piles the price rise has been more
47:46
Speaker 8: like twenty to thirty cents a leader. It's still significant,
47:49
Speaker 8: but not nearly as significant as what we've seen here
47:51
Speaker 8: in Australia.
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Speaker 3: I want to ask you about Trump's position on allies
47:57
Speaker 3: not coming to not even to during the war, but
48:00
Speaker 3: just to help keep open the straight of home moves.
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Speaker 4: What's your view?
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Speaker 8: Well, look, you know Australia has Center Airborne Early Warning
48:10
Speaker 8: and Control aircraft and eighty five military personnel. I think
48:13
Speaker 8: that's appropriate and if there are other further US requests,
48:17
Speaker 8: we should consider it. But you know, look, I just
48:22
Speaker 8: I just say that the US administration did not bring
48:25
Speaker 8: other allies into its confidence before initiating this conflict.
48:28
Speaker 3: Why would they, Why would I could trusts any of
48:32
Speaker 3: these left leaning leaders.
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Speaker 8: But unlike the operations in Iraq Afghanistan, where it was
48:38
Speaker 8: a coalition from the beginning, the US administration decided to
48:42
Speaker 8: act with Israeli diplomatically and otherwise politically. I support the
48:47
Speaker 8: actions they've undertaken, but you can't take allies by surprise
48:53
Speaker 8: and then say, well, you're not helping out when you
48:55
Speaker 8: hadn't given them any warning. I do have some sympathy
48:58
Speaker 8: with the position of European allies here on that one.
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Speaker 4: There was plenty of warning.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this was all canvassed in the media over
49:05
Speaker 3: about it two months period.
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Speaker 4: Whether this was going to happen or not. And when
49:08
Speaker 4: it was going to happen.
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Speaker 8: Yes, But then that's the time that you would have
49:12
Speaker 8: expected if the United States did want allies to contribute
49:16
Speaker 8: to this operation, that you would have started having conversations
49:19
Speaker 8: with those countries about what they could contribute and when
49:22
Speaker 8: they could contribute. Now, clearly those conversations weren't had, and
49:25
Speaker 8: the United States, for perfectly good and justifiable operational reasons,
49:29
Speaker 8: obviously didn't want allies involved in the initial stages of
49:33
Speaker 8: this campaign. But if they do now indeed want that
49:36
Speaker 8: to happen inevitably, you know, I'll mean the US spent
49:40
Speaker 8: two months moving assets into position, at least two months,
49:44
Speaker 8: possibly longer before this operation.
49:46
Speaker 4: Everyone knew exactly.
49:47
Speaker 3: I've got to go out of time, but just very
49:49
Speaker 3: quick final point is that the war began with that
49:53
Speaker 3: element of surprise attack on Ayatola coming as you couldn't
49:57
Speaker 3: risk it getting out. Dave Sharma, thanks so much for time,
50:01
Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Jerry. All right, and that's it from
50:04
Speaker 3: me tonight. I'll see you tomorrow at eight and after
50:06
Speaker 3: the break is poor Murray And tomorrow night on the show,
50:13
Speaker 3: we're going to have a sneak peek at the Australian's
50:15
Speaker 3: Rich list, the Top two fifty Rich List.
50:18
Speaker 4: That's it for me again. And here's poor Murray