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Joe Rogan Experience _2365 - Rep. Anna Paulina Luna · Luke's English Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Joe ro podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Check it out The Joe Regan Experience Train by Day, Joe.
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  Speaker 1: Rogan Podcast, by Night, All Day. So what did you
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  Speaker 1: think about the whole UFO thing before you got an August?
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  Speaker 3: So I actually had when I was stationed at Portland
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  Speaker 3: Air National Guard. My job there was an airfield manager,
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  Speaker 3: so I would interface and work a lot with the
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  Speaker 3: fifteen pilots at the unit. And so there had been
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  Speaker 3: an airspace incursion that had taken place when I was
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  Speaker 3: still at the time at the Guard, and I remember
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  Speaker 3: kind of talking to some of the pilots about it
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, what was then, and they're like, eh,
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  Speaker 3: we can't really talk about it, and no one really
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  Speaker 3: wanted to address it. And so from what I'd gathered,
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  Speaker 3: that had been likely a UAP, and so that kind
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  Speaker 3: of was my perspective. Granted, I also grew up in
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  Speaker 3: the generation of the X files and you know, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if you remember ninety four Independence Day, So
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  Speaker 3: like for me specifically, I didn't look at it with
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  Speaker 3: like a crazy lens of perspective. I'm like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you never know if you know, we're the only ones
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  Speaker 3: out there essentially, But.
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  Speaker 1: Why did you assume that if it's a top secret encourageion,
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  Speaker 1: then he couldn't talk about that it wasn't just a
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  Speaker 1: military craft from another country.
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  Speaker 2: Because of the way that he was discussing it. How
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  Speaker 2: did what he says, so he had been.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't want to from what I gather, get taken
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  Speaker 3: off flight status and he's like, I really can't discuss it.
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  Speaker 3: We couldn't really like identify it essentially, and it had
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  Speaker 3: outperformed them. And so that was my first from a
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  Speaker 3: military perspective kind of experience with someone who basically, you know,
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  Speaker 3: there's a stigma within the flight community. Do you want
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  Speaker 3: to lose your security clearance? What you know, is there
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  Speaker 3: this level of crazy that people kind of brand that
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  Speaker 3: will stick with you and kind of ruin your career.
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  Speaker 3: But doesn't he have instrumentation on his jet well at
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  Speaker 3: the time, right, so an older platform, but he really
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  Speaker 3: didn't want to even talk about it. And I bring
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  Speaker 3: that up because now with our investigation and the task
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  Speaker 3: force that I run. Actually the reason why the task
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  Speaker 3: force was formed was because the event that happened at
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  Speaker 3: Eglin Air Force Base where both myself, Representative Macates and
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  Speaker 3: Representative Tim Burchett actually had responded and gone to investigate
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  Speaker 3: multiple Air Force pilots that had come forward in regards
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  Speaker 3: to UAP incidences that had occurred. They were alleging that
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  Speaker 3: the Air Force was covering it up.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, so that was that, and like, I'm happy to
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  Speaker 3: go into detail on that one, but what I will
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  Speaker 3: tell you is the stuff that I saw eglin, how
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  Speaker 3: the military responded me being a former service member, and
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  Speaker 3: then ultimately what I saw with the pushback of the
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  Speaker 3: military not even wanting to share with Congress information, which
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  Speaker 3: is a big problem because when you have Congress that's
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  Speaker 3: supposed to be the advocate and voice for the American
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  Speaker 3: people to oversight body and you're being denied access not
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  Speaker 3: just from a base commander, but high level up at
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  Speaker 3: the Pentagon, even Secretary of Defense, it's a problem.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that it's possible that these are US
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  Speaker 1: vehicles that are top secret?
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  Speaker 3: I definitely think that there's a level of advanced technology
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  Speaker 3: that the US government has, and I think that that
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  Speaker 3: tech can be housed within the defense contractor realm. And
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  Speaker 3: of course some information is going to be classified. But
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  Speaker 3: I can also tell you, and this might sound crazy,
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  Speaker 3: but based on our investigations, and stuff that we've seen.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, there is.
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  Speaker 3: Definitely something that I think would rival what we know
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  Speaker 3: currently with physics and a tech that potentially is out
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  Speaker 3: there that we don't have the ability to reproduce because
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  Speaker 3: it would basically be like dropping a cell phone right
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  Speaker 3: off back during the time of maybe the cavemands.
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  Speaker 2: So like we just don't have the tech to develop
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  Speaker 2: it yet.
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  Speaker 3: What I can also tell you is based on our interviews,
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  Speaker 3: and this has been something that you can go back
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  Speaker 3: and watch with the congressional hearings, but I was actually
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  Speaker 3: able to ask some of the witnesses, you know, what
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  Speaker 3: are these things? And they keep saying interdimensional. And then
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  Speaker 3: when you talk about the interdimensional aspect of you know,
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  Speaker 3: are these things pre existing maybe outside of what we
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  Speaker 3: currently know as our own dimension. That stuff can kind
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  Speaker 3: of all sound crazy. But at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 3: you know, my job as an investigator is to receive
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  Speaker 3: all the information, decipher it, and then ultimately from a
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  Speaker 3: congressional aspect, if you do have contractors that are withholding
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  Speaker 3: information or operating outside of the purview of the federal government,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there's budgetary issues, but there's definitely something that
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  Speaker 3: I can tell you with confidence that exists that we
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  Speaker 3: don't know how to explain currently.
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  Speaker 1: So when you say that it operates outside our understanding
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  Speaker 1: of physics, what specifically are you saying, like what happened to.
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  Speaker 3: I guess break it down in simple terms, is that
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  Speaker 3: I think that some of the tech that exists that
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  Speaker 3: whatever these things have, these energy things have, yeah, well
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  Speaker 3: they call them interdimensional beings. I think that they can
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  Speaker 3: actually operate through the time spaces that we currently have.
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  Speaker 3: And that's not something that I came up with on
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  Speaker 3: my own. That's based on stuff that we've seen, that's
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  Speaker 3: based on information that we've been told. And then also too,
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  Speaker 3: I think that there's this historical aspect of you know,
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  Speaker 3: this gets into the deeper theories and concepts of religion
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  Speaker 3: and I think the history that we currently know and
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  Speaker 3: that kind of spins off into another topic of you know,
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  Speaker 3: you have the modern day Bible, you have this aspect
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  Speaker 3: of Bibles or books of the Bible that have been
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  Speaker 3: removed that explain and kind of touch on these topics.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that we're in a time and age
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  Speaker 3: where you have such a vast amount of information that
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  Speaker 3: we have access to via social media via your cell phone,
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  Speaker 3: via the Internet, and so it's really changing the way
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  Speaker 3: that we understand, you know, the origins of life and
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  Speaker 3: the spiritual reality that we know.
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  Speaker 1: When you say interdimensional beings, that they know that these
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  Speaker 1: are interdimensional beings? How do they know that that?
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  Speaker 3: So based on testimony would be based on witnesses that
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  Speaker 3: have come forward.
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  Speaker 2: But what I can tell you is that they've that
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  Speaker 2: they've seen things.
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  Speaker 3: And what I can tell you without getting into classified conversations,
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  Speaker 3: is that there have been incidences that I believe where
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  Speaker 3: very credible people have reported that there have been movement
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  Speaker 3: outside of.
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  Speaker 2: Time and space.
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  Speaker 1: That's very vague.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so look, yeah, look, have I seen a portal?
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  Speaker 1: But no?
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  Speaker 2: Have I seen a spaceship personally?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 2: I seen evidence of this. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Have I seen photo documentation of aircraft that I believe
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  Speaker 3: were not made by mankind?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: Is there historical significance to this Yes? Is there multiple
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  Speaker 3: events that go back to I would argue maybe even
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  Speaker 3: before the time of Christ that have documented this in texts?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: So do I believe that the government has access to
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  Speaker 3: certain technology, Yes, to an extent. And I believe that
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  Speaker 3: certain contractors potentially have back engineered this tech. I think
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  Speaker 3: that that's what can explain the advancements that we're seeing.
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  Speaker 3: But I also believe that this is a dangerous level
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  Speaker 3: of hidden information from the American people because if you
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  Speaker 3: have an aspect of the federal government, which I can
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  Speaker 3: tell you, I with two other members of Congress were
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  Speaker 3: denied access to information at Eglin Air Force Base pertaining
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  Speaker 3: to whistleblowers because of the fact and we can get
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  Speaker 3: into that story and what happened to Eglin in a second,
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  Speaker 3: but we were denied access and told that we don't
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  Speaker 3: have security clearance or the read and authority on a
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  Speaker 3: special access program. That's a problem because I'm supposed to
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  Speaker 3: represent and be an investigative body, and you have then
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  Speaker 3: people who are unelected that are operating basically in secrecy,
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  Speaker 3: and that's a problem. That's a big problem.
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  Speaker 1: And so how do these people have the authority to
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  Speaker 1: do that?
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  Speaker 3: I think it's been decades of classified secret information. Then
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  Speaker 3: also this aspect of the intelligence community that's been empowered,
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  Speaker 3: and it's kind of serendipitous with timing because when you
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  Speaker 3: talk about the intelligence communities and what they've done essentially
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  Speaker 3: to the trust in this country with the American people,
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  Speaker 3: I think this goes all the way back even into JFK,
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  Speaker 3: with how they basically have operated outside of the purview
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  Speaker 3: of Congress and basically to an extent, have gone rogue
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  Speaker 3: up until recently, you're seeing a big push and pull to.
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  Speaker 2: Try to rain in these intelligence agencies currently.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So what I want to bring it back to evidence.
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  Speaker 1: You said that you've seen evidence, Like what kind of
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  Speaker 1: evidence have you seen?
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  Speaker 2: I have seen photos, I have seen.
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  Speaker 1: What have you seen photos of?
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  Speaker 3: So I was in a skiff and I can't discuss
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  Speaker 3: all that was in a skiff, but what I can
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  Speaker 3: tell you is based on the photos that I've seen,
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  Speaker 3: I'm very confident that there's things out there that have
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  Speaker 3: not been created by Mainkain.
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  Speaker 1: It seems crazy that people have access to information that
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  Speaker 1: shows that there's something outside of us that is more intelligent,
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  Speaker 1: at least more capable than we are, and they hide
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  Speaker 1: it from everybody else.
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  Speaker 3: What I can tell you is that when you have
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  Speaker 3: thousands upon thousands of people around the planet throughout time
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  Speaker 3: that have reported something right to say that there's are
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  Speaker 3: crazy to say that. You know, the whole concept of
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  Speaker 3: even just asking the question that you might not necessarily
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  Speaker 3: be psychologically sound that in itself, you know, that's a
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  Speaker 3: disinformation campaign to get people to shut up about it,
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  Speaker 3: and that's that's a problem. We know that the US
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  Speaker 3: government has not exactly been clean, and a lot of
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  Speaker 3: what they've done with the American people, specifically to the
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  Speaker 3: topic of UFOs you have, actually.
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  Speaker 1: Makes you think that it's probably because there's something there.
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  Speaker 1: If you think about the motivation they had with the
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  Speaker 1: Project blue Book. When Jay Allen Heinech was running Project
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  Speaker 1: blue Book, this specific intention was to discredit all.
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  Speaker 3: Stories and he ended up ultimately though, after all of
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  Speaker 3: his investigations, becoming someone that was like, I think there's
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  Speaker 3: are something.
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  Speaker 2: But that's true.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, a lot of people might not necessarily
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  Speaker 3: go onto Google and look up that information, but you
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  Speaker 3: can actually look up the declassified reports from Project blue Book.
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  Speaker 3: What's also interesting, though, is when we're talking about tech, right,
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  Speaker 3: the ability for this tech being that it exists to
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  Speaker 3: change dependence entire governments on things like fossil fuel, et cetera.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's look, I think everyone has a moral
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  Speaker 3: obligation to do what they think is right, Okay, and
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  Speaker 3: so if you're in a position of power and you
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  Speaker 3: see something wrong and you're not addressing it. I think
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  Speaker 3: you know this in itself, getting the truth out there
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  Speaker 3: for people to decide for themselves.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not telling you what to believe.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just telling you in our investigations and what we
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  Speaker 3: are pushing for in regards to transparency, I would like
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  Speaker 3: to see the federal government roll out some of the
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  Speaker 3: stuff that we've been given access to, because I think
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  Speaker 3: that that information belongs in the hands of the American people.
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  Speaker 3: And it's not even just the US government. I mean
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  Speaker 3: there's other countries around the world that have done certain
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  Speaker 3: things like this. Now, look, I've had a lot of
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  Speaker 3: crazy people show up at my office and say, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I like, I've heard it all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been to Mars.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I have a chip in my brain all
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  Speaker 3: this stuff. We had this one guy that showed up
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  Speaker 3: that was like trying to give us a USB's like
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  Speaker 3: put this in your computer.
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  Speaker 2: That's gonna kill me for this, and like runs away
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm not putting that in my computer.
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  Speaker 3: But based on our investigations, what I will tell you is,
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  Speaker 3: you know, there's been two members of Congress that are
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  Speaker 3: actually helping to lead out these investigations with me. And
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  Speaker 3: the reason I say that is because up until last Congress,
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  Speaker 3: if you even said the word uap or ufo, people
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  Speaker 3: actually told us that if we went forward with these
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  Speaker 3: investigations that we were going to ruin our political careers.
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  Speaker 3: And so you know, we're in the mindset of, well, like,
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  Speaker 3: why wouldn't we ask these questions? And also too if
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  Speaker 3: no one wants to touch it, like there has to
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  Speaker 3: be something here right right, And so in these investigations,
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  Speaker 3: I mean the amount of people that will come up
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  Speaker 3: to us, very successful people, to multiple members of Congress
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  Speaker 3: that believe the same thing. It's definitely changed in regards
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  Speaker 3: to the stigma that used to exist about disclosure and
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  Speaker 3: all this. And so what we're trying to do currently
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  Speaker 3: was there's a big documentary that was filmed about a
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  Speaker 3: year and a half ago, and we're trying to get
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  Speaker 3: a screening up on Capitol Hill. But look, I think
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people say, well, this is a distraction
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  Speaker 3: from everything else happening in the country right now, And
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  Speaker 3: all I'm simply trying to say is it's not a distraction.
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  Speaker 3: The people that are kind of helping to divulge all
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  Speaker 3: this information. You have an intelligence community, you know, Tulsi, Gabbard, Radcliffe,
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  Speaker 3: Cash Battel there. They have been truly in regards to
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  Speaker 3: our other investigations, extremely transparent and wanting to get this
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  Speaker 3: information out. But it doesn't mean that within these intelligence
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  Speaker 3: communities er isn't pushback. And so part of the reason
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  Speaker 3: why the task force was formed pertaining two things like UAP,
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  Speaker 3: pertaining two things like the Jeffrey Epstein stuff, pertaining two
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  Speaker 3: things like the GfK MLKN RFK investigations, is because even
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  Speaker 3: though we don't hold declassification authority, what we're trying to
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  Speaker 3: do is push these agencies and be, if you will,
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  Speaker 3: the pipple and the attack dog on trying to get
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  Speaker 3: this information release and to a lot of these agencies credits.
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  Speaker 3: They've been extremely transparent and we have gone win specifically
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  Speaker 3: on the GfK stuff, and we're still looking to declassify
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  Speaker 3: and ask specifically on the EAP topic, what.
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  Speaker 1: Would be the rationale for keeping a photograph of a
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  Speaker 1: known app absolute not of this world craft from the
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  Speaker 1: American people or from the world. Why would anybody think
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  Speaker 1: that that would be the smart thing to do is
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  Speaker 1: to limit the access of that information to a very
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  Speaker 1: small amount of people.
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  Speaker 3: I think the part of the fear is is that
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  Speaker 3: you have advisors that think that, you know, the American
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  Speaker 3: people or humanity might not be able to handle it.
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  Speaker 2: There's this like protective complex.
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  Speaker 3: But then also too, I think when you are talking
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  Speaker 3: about these things for a lot of people, I think
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  Speaker 3: that it kind of can rock your world a little
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  Speaker 3: bit in regards to where you stand in a faith perspective,
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  Speaker 3: and then also too an aspect of well, how do
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  Speaker 3: you even begin to explain it? And all I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to say is, look, and we can go into some
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  Speaker 3: of the books that were removed from what we know
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  Speaker 3: as the modern day Bible.
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  Speaker 2: But I read through the Book of Enoch multiple times.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that these things are angels. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: that's that's not at all what I'm saying. But what
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  Speaker 3: I am saying is that depending on where you are
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  Speaker 3: in regards to your whole perspective on whether or not
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  Speaker 3: God exists.
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  Speaker 2: Like I believe in God, I'm a.
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  Speaker 3: Christian, there has to have been and there's admissions that
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  Speaker 3: there was other creations that God made, but that we
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  Speaker 3: were the most priced creation. And so I think that
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  Speaker 3: this can open up a bigger topic of discussion. What
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  Speaker 3: I will say is that what's been interesting is and
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  Speaker 3: I've had a mass array of people that have come in,
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  Speaker 3: right like, we have people that come in that claim
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  Speaker 3: that you can use this ability to basically dog whistle
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  Speaker 3: these things in from like a psychic ability.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard people say that.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that there's some something there. Otherwise they
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't necessarily be able to provide some of the video
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  Speaker 3: evidence that they have. But then that also brings up
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  Speaker 3: the question of if these things are interdimensional, which we've
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  Speaker 3: had witnesses testify to to members of Congress, and that
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  Speaker 3: was all publicly out there. That would then bring up
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  Speaker 3: the whole well, if this is really transcending dimension.
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  Speaker 2: The power of what you say thought all of.
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  Speaker 3: That, and then you know, you can look into our
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  Speaker 3: own government's declassified documents that the CIA had on different experiments.
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  Speaker 3: I mean you can literally last week I was going
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  Speaker 3: through actually on a Friday night, just put my son
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  Speaker 3: down and I was going through some of the declassified
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  Speaker 3: You go to ci dot gov slash reading room and
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  Speaker 3: you can see all the declassified documents. And so I
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  Speaker 3: believe it's called Stargate and it was talking about, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the basically psychological experiments where they were trying to basically.
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  Speaker 2: Remote view and all that.
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  Speaker 3: Why would our own government be looking into that if
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  Speaker 3: there wasn't something there, And so I'm appreciative to all
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  Speaker 3: that information being publicly out there, but I think this
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  Speaker 3: whole idea and stigma of trying to make it sound
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  Speaker 3: crazy when people actually have these questions that needs to stop,
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  Speaker 3: which is why the task Force is in existence. And
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  Speaker 3: then also too they need to release information.
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  Speaker 1: If I was going to play Devil's advocate, I would
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  Speaker 1: say that the government would look into that to find
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  Speaker 1: out if there's anything there, and that would probably take
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  Speaker 1: a long time if they're really being careful. So if
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  Speaker 1: I was going to fund a program, if someone told
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  Speaker 1: me that there's some people in Russia that can remote
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  Speaker 1: view military sites in America, I'd be like are you sure,
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  Speaker 1: and like yeah, yeah, there's a technique involved, and we
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  Speaker 1: know the technique and we want to find some sort
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  Speaker 1: of a study to see if we can do it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, let's go, what do you need? Because if
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: maybe it's real, so I don't buy that they wouldn't
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: spend money on it unless it's real. I say they
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: would spend money on it to find out if you're
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: really looking out for national security, right, you've got three
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: hundred and plus million people that you're responsible for. You
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: got to dot your i's and cross your t's, and like,
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: if i'm you know, if I'm good at my job
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: and I'm not an egomaniac, I'm gonna go maybe there's
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: some shit I don't know.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: You know, well, there's looking into it and then there's expanding, right,
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: And so if you look at all those declassified files,
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: you know, you can pull up and this is just wild.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: But there's one where I was looking through and they
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: had basically, you know, the Coastguard had called in. There
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: was a ship that they had been given information on
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: that was running drugs, and so they called in one
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: of their remote viewers and they're trying to give coordinates,
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: coordinates of the ship and actually like basically locate these things.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: And actually it's laughing because I was reading this off
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: the website. I'm telling my like, imagine, you know, you're
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: trying to run drugs and then all of a sudden
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: you have some like weirdo at Langley.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: In a basin. They're like, no, duce like, did you
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: use the chordancy? You know, beam me up Scotty.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know if they write things down
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: or type them out or what. But I talked to
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: hal put Off about it, and he said they used
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: it to very specifically find the location of a down
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Russian craft within like a couple kilometers, which is nuts.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: If you think about the area where this thing crashed,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: it's like remote wilderness, the middle of nowhere. Russia hadn't
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: found it yet, and apparently we found it first. According
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: to how put Off, it's just because I haven't done it,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: and because I don't know that it's real doesn't mean
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: it's not real. And that's this is a problem with
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: people that they don't want to get duped, and they
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: don't want to look stupid. They want to don't want
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: to look naive, and so they dismiss things. They dismiss
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: that there's there might be frequencies that you don't tune
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: into all the time, and someone might get really good
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: at that and they might be able to see things remotely.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think that this gets into the bigger discussion
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: of what do we know right? Going back to some
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: of these books that were removed, there's a good podcast
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: right now called The autistic tapes, and it talks about
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: how some non speaking or nonverbal autistic kids actually are
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: exhibiting tapes. Yeah, yeah, sorry, the telepathy takes nonverbal autistic
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: kids are exhibiting telepathy. You know this concept again, if
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: you were to talk about it twenty years ago, if
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: people will call you crazy. But you know, I think
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: based on what we're seeing now, based on the fact
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: that our own governments looked into it, based on the
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: stuff that you were saying. I mean, you can find
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: all this information publicly available and it's out there, and
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: I think that there's something to it, and so you know,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: wor seeing and we've heard this is in non classified settings.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: We've heard from people that have come forward that are saying,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: you know, we're being able to via meditation and we're
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: essentially like downloading information. We can communicate with these things. Granted,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: you know, when I'm sitting in my congressional office and
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: I'm hearing this, I take it with a grain of salt,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: because we do get a lot of crazy people. But
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: when you have people that are high level executives, very successful,
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: clean cut, not on drugs, are coming in and they're
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: telling you this stuff, and then you know you're kind
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: of cross referencing it with various people and intelligence agencies.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: I just I think that there's something there. We need
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: to be at least open to hearing the discussion and
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: the argument for these things.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Oh for sure. I mean, like I said, if there's
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: a photo out there, I think you owe humanity a service.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: You're supposed to release that photograph. There's no reason why
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: a small group of people in the government should have
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: photo conclusive evidence that aliens are real.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: And there's a it's crazy.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: And there's an overclassification aspect of this too, right, Like
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: if you're serving in the military and you're taking a
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: photo on your personal device or a video on your
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: personal device, that shouldn't be the purview of the federal government.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: And either which way, I mean, they're there's been now
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: so much stuff. There's granted, there's been a lot of
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: fake stuff put out there, but the stuff that is
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: legitimate that we are seeing, the stuff that we had
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: people testify to in our congressional hearings.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's not a joke.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: And what's even more interesting to this is that I
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: was actually able to talk to David Grush, who now
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: is actually working with the Task Force to kind of
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: chase down a lot of these leads in regards to
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: some of these contractors that allegedly have this tech. Right, So,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: in talking with him, again not in a skiff, we
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: were able to actually flesh out that prior to him
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: testifying that he actually received very real threats against his
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: life and his wife, his wife's life, he's a sound guy.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: And then shortly after he testified this was there's this
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: massive smear operation that was launched against him to try
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: to discredit his testimony. And so, you know, again going
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: into wolf, this stuff wasn't real, or if he wasn't
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: telling the truth, why would there be this massively orchestrated
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: effort to you know, completely just disprove what he was
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: trying to say or to discredit his actions in his testimony.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: And so it is kind of coming full circle, right,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: going back to what the Task Force has been able
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: to find out. I mean, we're conducting these investigations simultaneously,
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: and we're doing this in addition to everything that we
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: to everything else that we have to do as members
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: of Congress. Right, So although I would love to just
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: dedicate my full time and attention to this, we still
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: have to balance it out. And so I've again had
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: some great investigators who are working with us on oversight,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: as well as a lot of cooperation from the intelligence agencies,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: and we are going to be asking for this information
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: to be declassified, at least information that has been showed
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: to us.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I think the first break in the wall was that
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: twenty seventeen New York Times report where they were talking
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: about it in logical, sensible language, that these things might
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: be from another world. But I think that movie that
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: you're discussing, which is the Age of Disclosure.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't seen it. Have you seen it?
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: It's very good. Yeah, it's very good. It's very good.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't even have any UFO footage. I mean
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: maybe like a little bit. It's just testimony, just testimony,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and at the end of it you kind of draw
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: this conclusion like, oh, this makes sense, Like this. What
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: they're essentially saying is one of the problems is if
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: they have been funding these secret programs, then for all
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: these years they've been misappropriating money. Oh yeah, and they've
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: been aligned to Congress and that's super.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Illegal, very illegal, but you know legal, it's Congress going
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: to do anything about it. Because it's not the first time,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: like we have the ability and this is the most
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: frustrating thing. So as a this is my second term
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: in Congress now, but as a first term member of Congress.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: You know, when you Joe, when you get elected to Congress,
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: you would think that they would bring you in and
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: they'd say, Okay, this is how you do the legislation. No,
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: you get elected, you show up to kind of a
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: crash course for about like a week and a half
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: on you know how to not get in trouble with ethics,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: and then you're basically wined and dined by lobbyists. They
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: don't actually tell you how to do the legislation. Basically,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: the only rules that you're told are never vote down
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: a rule which is a procedural motion to bring legislation
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: to the floor, and don't really ever vote against your party,
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: of which within the first week I broke both rules
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: and so I was on the naughty list for usual.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: But the thing is, is.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: That tell you how to do it? That's kind of crazy.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Well, they tell you basically those are the tool rules
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: and don't go against that and you won't have any
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: issues les though, Yeah, because it's like you know, You're
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: supposed to represent your constituency. So if you have people
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: calling your officing, don't you devote for this and then
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: you vote against it.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: It's like people.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Forget that you're supposed to represent right representative instead of
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: just do what the party wants. But you know, there
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: is there are mechanisms that have existed since Thomas Jefferson,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: who wrote our damn Rule Manual that enable us to
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: actually pass legislation and actually hold agencies and people accountable
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: from a punitive perspective. And I don't know if you
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: were tracking, but like I brought a vote on the
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: former Attorney General for basically refusing to testify to Congress
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: and respond to a subpoena. And that was called inherent contempt.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: And a lot of Congress is like, what the hell's
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: the inherent contempt? It hadn't been done since the early
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: nineteen hundreds. And I actually read it in the rule Manual,
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: and I read the Rule Manual twice. It's like, so
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: crazy what happens when you read books. But we were
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: able to find this out. Oh, and it was a
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: mechanism that Congress can use to actually basically send the
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: sergeant at arms to go arrest people.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Jeez. Okay, So one of the things that this documentary
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: was calling for that I think is the only logical
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: way to solve this is a mass amnesty for these
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: people that misappropriated money and.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Or whistleblowers or whistleblowers.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: The whistleblowers thing is crazy, like they leave them alone, Like,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: come on, of course everybody should fucking know this stuff. Guys.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: The real crime is you keeping this secret from humanity.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: That's the real crime. Okay. The other stuff is horseshit.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: It's just the interpretations of what you're writing down on paper.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: You're making up rules. But if you ask the general
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: public how they feel this should go, a rational, normal
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: person would say, there's no fucking way. The defense contractor
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: should be the only people who know that. We're not alone.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Fuck you, especially when we're facing a massive deficit and
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: you see that they're like the Pentagon hasn't been able
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: to pass the audit and I don't know how many.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: All that stuff is great, but just for humanity, just
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: for humanity, that is a giant piece of information that
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: no one should have. No one should secretly keep information
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: that would change our entire perspective on our existence.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: It's definitely wrong that it's happening, for sure. What I
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: will tell you, though, is the issue that we have
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: with bringing forward legislation that would give mass amnesty imparting
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: to these people, is that there are people within the
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: intelligence community and within Congress on both sides that will
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: try to if you come forward with us, and I'll
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: tell you a very prime example of this in a moment,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: that they will block it. They don't want it to pass,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: they will stop it from even coming to the floor.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: They won't bring legislation that will address it because they
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: want to keep this information secret.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: So Representative Tim berche before, why.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Do they want to keep the information secret?
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Because I think that their mouthpieces in control of the
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: deep state, and that's a thing, and it exists on
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: both sides, Okay.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: So someone will come to them with marching point marching.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Or one hundred percent.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Representative Tim Burchett, before I got elected, was kind of
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: on his own little islands in regard to the UAP stuff.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: And he will himself tell you that you know, this
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: is one hundred percent like a thing, and that these
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: defense contractors and what he believes, you know, the Pentagon
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: not passing audits all this these black budget programs. I mean,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: like he will tell you he's again been leading out
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: the suffort way before I got there. He had a
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: piece of legislation that was supposed to enable the FA
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: to report and develop a different reporting a different reporting
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: procedure for UAP stuff. And at the time, the Chairman
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: of Intel ensued that that legislation was not brought forward,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: that it was stopped. The piece of legislation that actually
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: passed out of the Senate it really had no teeth
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: to it. And then Representative Burchette drew a primary challenger
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: that was being backed by the Chairman of Intel. And
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: so you know when you are touching these it's like
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: you know that meme where you have that stork that's like,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: don't touch this, and then the little foot comes out. Yeah,
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: it's kind of like what we're doing. And it's not
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: exactly easy because you will take heat from both sides.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: But there has been a good group that's been assembled
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: that's by camerale, meaning it's both in the House, in
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: the Senate and bipartisan, meaning both Dumkutsch and Republicans are
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: saying like, hey, this should actually happen.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Are they publicly talking about not releasing the information or
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: is all this stuff done in secrecy.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: It's done behind the scenes, because.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: If they had to do it publicly, if they had
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: to announce their position on it publicly, it would be
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: very damaging I think to anybody's political career on the
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: right or.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: The left, people would be pissed.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, they're pissed because I'm pissed because if if
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: they've had it for this long, if they really did
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: recover something as early as nineteen forty seven, excuse me.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you for us specifically, we actually
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: were made aware some people had come forward that said
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: that they wanted to brief So about two years ago
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: when all this kicked off, we had requested briefings from
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: AIR that's in charge of kind of compiling the investigative
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: aspect of VAP stuff. And by the way, from the
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: get go, I like even a talking to Arrow is
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: like this organization is literally a BS organization. They're never
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: going to tell us anything. And every interaction that we
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: had in this gift, I was like, this is a
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: nothing burger. But then these people came forward and said
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: that they were actually denied, They were told to not
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: brief our group specifically on this topic, and that it
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: was from at the time members of House leadership, but
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: they wouldn't say who, And so I actually went with
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: another member of Congress and confronted multiple people and they
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: all denied denying as access. So it's done behind the scenes.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: You'll see these random little troll blockages that might pop up.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: But what I can tell you is that with the
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: new administration, specifically with the FBI, specifically with OD and I,
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: we have gotten transparency to where previously we would have
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: been stonewalled.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: We were actually given briefings.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: And so what I will tell you is we are
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: going to push for the information that we sought to
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: be out there for the American people to see.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: So do you think that the whole idea of disclosing
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: is maybe a multiple step, very agonizing, frustratingly slow process
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: rather than a big dump of all the information that
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: they've had from Roswell to the AZTEC one. Apparently there's
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: a whole slew. I don't know if it's astek, I
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: forget the name of it. But there was another during
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: that same time period, there was a really prominent UFO
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: recovery thing that was not as publicized as the one
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: in Roswell. The big mistake with the Roswell one was
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the newspaper printed it, and so then they had to backtrack,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: and then they had to do the press conference where
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: they had like some scattered pieces of a weather balloon
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: that didn't look anything like a UFO. And then yeah,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: but meanwhile they flew the wreckage to right field. They
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: flew the wreckage and Truman met them there.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Supposedly, Well, I can tell you in our hearing, we're
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: actually notified and you can pull this up. We were
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: I think it was one of the witnesses had talked
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: about what had happened at Vanderberg Air Base where there
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: was this thing that appeared over the base. It actually
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: had multiple blotterers reporting on it from phone calls into
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: law enforcement from like hundreds of people, and whatever had
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: appeared over the base was basically bigger than a football
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: field and basically a cube, a red cube, with some
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: weird thing in the center of it. I actually had
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: our witness draw this out. This guy's sober as a priest,
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, was a great pilot, and he's talking about
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: all this and so you know, you talk about this,
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: it seems like a sci fi movie. But based on
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: the evidence that we've seen, I don't have any reason
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: to believe that these people are lying. Based on the
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: evidence that I've seen from our own government, I think
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: that there's something there that the American people deserve to
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: have access to. And so I've been this is not
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: just on this topic, but again in other topics as well.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: This has been my perspective is transparencies what builds trust.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Other governments have revealed certain information on it. To think
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: that we are the only you know, life form on
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: this planner in this galaxy, I think is a little
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: bit crazy, given you know, the fact that I also
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: think gods and that there's other creations. But then again
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: you get into this aspect of you know, why is
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: it that you also have this aspect of you know,
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: a certain religion that has been very controlled and I
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: think ruled out in a certain aspect. And you know,
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: when you have certain books that are removed because they
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: don't think that people should have access to this information
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: or know it. You know, why remove a book from
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: a Bible?
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: What did wes Huff did he touch on that? Did
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: he talk about that are there people that don't believe
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: the Book of Enoch was really a part of the Bible.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: I don't remember how. I don't remember how he discussed
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: the missing books. Yeah, hesically brought it up, but I
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: don't remember how.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: That's the guy to talk to. Yeah, so from what
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: to talk to about it, you know what I mean,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: because you have to really understand the history of the
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Bible to be able to figure out what you like,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: what's legitimate, what's not, why they put it into the
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: New Testament. I had some very erroneous ideas about it
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: until I talked to intelligent people that really really know
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: the history of it, and it's it's very strange stuff.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Well, so from from what I gather, and but by
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: the way, I'm not a theologian in any capacity, but
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: just from my personal opinion on this. So you have
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: the Ethiopian Orthodox Text, which has I think eighty eight
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: books of the Bible in total. But in the Ethiopian
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Orthodox Text, it's basically kind of like a mainline og
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: version of the Bible. And then sometime in the fourth
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: century there was actually a group that came together and
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: they removed certain books, and the story goes that revelations
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: actually had replaced Enoch.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: And so it's.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Interesting because when you're looking kind of full circle on,
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: you know, you hear the stuff that some of these
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: people are talking about, and then you see and you
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: read the Book of Enoch, which is a wilde read, okay,
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: and then you look at kind of what our modern
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: day description is of what angels and entities are versus
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: what Enoch was seeing and reporting in his language and
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: ability at that time. I just I think that there's
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: a lot that brings you to then ask the question, well,
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: why would they remove this information? If it's truly, you know,
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: written in part of the oldest by in the world,
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: why would they then take it out and water it down?
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that you can't find God through
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: the New Bible, right like, everyone's on their own spiritual journey,
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: and I think everyone can pray and you can access God.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: But I just find that very interesting.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: And so what I will say is that I like
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: to have the whole kind of picture in front of me,
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: and so I feel like to fully understand a through zero,
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: you kind of have to be able to read it.
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  Speaker 1: just don't know about the history of it. Is there
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: any debate about the the reality of that book. Is
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: there any debate about whether or not it was either
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: fraud or discredited or something? Yeah? Like why did they
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Because I know there was some kind of controversy that
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: wes Huff described. I just can't remember it. I don't why.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: Just look through a transcript real quick. I didn't see
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: you guys discussing were discussing Isaiah and then the Dead
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: Sea Scrolls and stuff like that. I didn't see Enoch discussion.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: No, it must have been me privately talking to him
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: about something another video that I watched. The thing about
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: like what wes Huff does. That's so interesting. It's like
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: he he he really understands, like the history of the text,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: the language in which they use, the names in which
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: they chose, and when he breaks it up. One of
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: the things he told us that was the craziest was
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: that the Book of Isaiah was exactly the same in
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: the Dead Sea Scrolls as it was a thousand years
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: later they found one that was a thousand years older,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: and it was direct. It was word for word verbatim.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's bananas, a thousand year old story that's
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: exactly the same written that they didn't know there was
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: a version of it a thousand years ago, and then
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: they find it in.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: These kids confirmed texts.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: It's nuts. It's really weird. I mean, that's really really
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: weird stuff.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: And the fact that this kid, you know, Shepherd kid,
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: was able to even find these scrolls, that they were
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: set up and you know, just has led to that
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: point right in time where he finds this massive, basically
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: admission that the Bible's real. You can actually look into
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: you know, there's a new King James, and then you
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: can actually look into the Catholic Bible as well. That
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: also has they call them apocrypha texts because the King
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: James Bible doesn't acknowledge them. But there are also other
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: books that are not considered you know, approved by the
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: King Shames. So look, I was on my mom's side,
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: I was actually raised Catholic and then had my Catechism,
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: did all that. And then on my dad's side, I
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: was raised Christian and then later on Messianic jew And
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: so I feel like I kind of have like a
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: good cross section and I've been exposed to a lot
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: of this growing up, but it's definitely interesting. And so look,
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: I don't tell people like I'm not saying that like
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: aliens created mankind. I don't believe that, because I, at
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: the end of the day, believe that God is responsible
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: for our creation. But I do think that what we've
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: been programmed to believe in regards to our ability to
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: be able to use our mind, the spiritual aspect of
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: us really does exist. And I think that once you
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: kind of remove yourself out of this basically rat race
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: and you can like really reconnect with that, I think
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: that that's when you kind of realize, hey, there's a
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: bigger purpose here in life, and like what is our
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: end objective? And if you're given a position of influence
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: or a position of power and you're not doing the
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: right thing for humany, you're not guiding people, then that's
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: something that you have to answer for.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: So I want to make sure that I'm good with God.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I hear you. That's a lot I think these stories,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: especially when you get to stories like no One in
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: the Arc, and that these stories exist and basically every
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: religion the real similar, the real similar. I think all
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: of these people are trying to document a truth. It's
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: just what is that truth is where it gets weird
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: and when it gets to like other gods and giants
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: and giants a man talks about that. Yeah, oh, I know,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: it is crazy. It's wild stuff. It's if it's legitimate,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: it's wild stuff. And then do you know anything about
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: the Ethiopian church that supposedly has the Arc of the
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Covenant in it?
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've looked into that. I actually wanted to. And again,
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: you're in the government, you can like, yeah.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: So I actually wanted to do a codell to just
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: but of course, like we're focusing on other things.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Right, raise seals find that fun.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: I was like, I need to pay for this for myself,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: so we're not using tax for your dollars. But just
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: go check it out. What's interesting is this CIA allegedly
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: located the Arc.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Of the Covenant. I think the remote viewed they remote
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: they remote viewed it.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: You can actually find that you should actually no, not
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: an Ethiopid, but it was in the Middle Eastern country.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: They weren't able to locate the actual I think the
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: New York posted article on it where they actually had
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: the handwritten notes on the ark of the Covenant location
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: and they remote viewed it. You should ask them, Yeah,
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: I'm serious about it?
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Did they go there and see?
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: If I don't know what I did? I don't know.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: This is like Indiana Jones.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: But decades old CIA documents on Arc of the Covenant
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: resurface and mid classified group text bat what wait? Like, yeah,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: it was a group text argument that caused this stuff
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: to be no.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Check out, pull up the New York Post one, because
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: they actually have the handwritten notes from the remote viewer
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: that actually documents it. Okay, it should be Yeah, like
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: the New York Post.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: That's so funny.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: There you go, holp one.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: This is wild because it actually goes into descriptions of
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: angels too. And so actually if so an Enocha talks
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: about well if you if you scroll down now that's
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: that you can probably click on the scribe because it'll
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: show you all the documents from the actual declassified file.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: This is also on CA document. Year was this this
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: happened recently? This was like a couple months ago that
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: this just kind of came all.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Up, right, But what year was this project? Eighty eight
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: eighty eight.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Five December nineteen eighty eight. Wow, So scroll down.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: So in eighty eight they found the arc of.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: The allegedly, allegedly they remote viewed it. We don't know
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: if they've followed up.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Who was president back then? Reagan?
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Go down Bush Senior. Okay, so scroll down and then
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: you'll see this. So this is like are so they're
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: going through in the notes you have to read it,
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: but you can scroll down.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: This is kind of drawing where it is the remote viewer.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: So you have like the different things that are describing it.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: And if you keep going, you'll see like a cherubim.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Keep going, it's like showing the peak of Oh wait
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: wait sorry, go up a little bit.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: So that's interesting because if you look into actual, so
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: there's like a wheel text. If you look into enox
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: description of angels and it is guilty.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I think that that's kind of a tithe but go
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: down more so.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: But yeah, you have like the actual your purpose of container.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: They should have like a cherubin drawing somewhere down here.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: I see, So that would be the seraphim. So it's
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: interesting the seraphim how it's opened. Yeah, so basically when
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: they describe the arc and so he's going through describe it.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: So these are the handnotes for it, and then actually
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: says that it's in the Middle Eastern country. The remote
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: viewer describes the clothing in which individuals are in the area.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm describing like an Indiana Jones movie,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: but this is actually from the CIA.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: This this image scroll back to where then what is
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: that thing? Is that at the corner of.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: The box of the Covenant. Yeah, he's describing.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: If you go up and these are actually the handwritten
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: notes on what was described by the remote viewer, and
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: you have to go through the entire document, but yeah,
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: that's what's described surrounding the arc.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Do you know what they asked him to find?
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Well, if yeah, the Ark of the Covenant, you can
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: find him to go look for the if you go
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: higher up in the documents, it's over right.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: But if you asked me to go look for the
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Ark of the Covenant, like I know what I'm looking.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: For, right, Well, apparently.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: I think it's going like show me that they fucking
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: found it.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they did, but they.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they did either. But it's like
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: it's interesting, but it's not as interesting because you're saying,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: show me the Ark of the Covenant, Right, so he's
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: drawing what we all saw in Indiana.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Jones or can you locate it?
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: The dis was that that was before Indiana Jones the
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: same time period. When did Indiana Jones come out?
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: The nineties?
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Right? I don't know.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking and like the first two or the best?
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: The Raise of the Lost Arc was the first one. That's
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: the one.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: What year was that nineteen eighty one? Okay, so precursor.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: So that's seven years earlier. Everybody saw that movie one
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: hundred times. You know what it looks like. You know
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: what the arc looks like. So if I tell you
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: go draw me the arc? Where is it at? You
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: think all we have is subscribbles on paper unless they
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: actually went there and found it.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Well, what's interesting? I should probably ask for Radcliffe, like Radcliffe,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: can you tell me this?
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Jams?
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: It says the mission is to access and describe the
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: target identified by coordinate and then there's coordinates. The tasking
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: is to see mission statement training target is the Arc
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: of the Covenant.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: So they did say, go find us the Ark of
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: the Covenant. And then this dude apparently said it is
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: keep aol to a minimum.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: What is that paper earlier.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I have to be careful with editing, though this does
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: not seem to be a problem at this time. Just
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: something to watch for. Attained excellent site contact.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, definitely interesting.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Well, it's weird that they're talking about it like it's
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: a real talent, like some can actually do its. Yeah,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: target is in a container. This container is in another
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: container has another container inside of it. The target is
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: fashioned of wood, gold and silver. The target is similar
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: in shape to aol. So that's that something of location, right,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Is that what it means? Yeah, that's it coffin and
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: it's decorated with the seraphim see sketch. This target is
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: located somewhere in the Middle East, as the language spoken
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: by individuals presence seemed to be Arabic. Well, wouldn't you
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: want someone who could fucking decipe for Arabic to do this?
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: We don't know how far it went, and I definitely
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: have questions, but this would not be the first time
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: that a government would have looked for something, especially because
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: people theorize that the Ark of the Covenant had these
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: abilities as a super weapon.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: I know, but I'm saying, like the remote viewer is
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: limited by his ability to understand the language. Stop stop,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: scroll back up please right. So it's somewhere in the
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Middle East. Visuals of surrounding buildings indicated that the area
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: that the presence of mosque domes. Individuals in the area
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: were clothed in virtually all white, had black hair and
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: dark eyes. One figure I honed it on wore a mustache.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: The target is hidden underground, dark and wet were all
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: aspects of the location of the target. See. The only
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: problem I over have with these things is if these
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: places are all controlled by terrorists and it's all you know,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: dictators and crazy people over there, if they found out
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: that the arc was there, they would fucking take it.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Well, I think there's this aspect of if you look
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: at from a biblical perspective, no one would be able
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: to access it anyways because it would be protected.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Right, That's what the Bible says.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: So here, too, cannot be opened until the time is
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: deemed correct, Oh Jesus.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Once the time to open the container, the mechanisms of
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: lock systems will be found to be fairly simple. Individuals
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: opening the container by prime or strikeing are destroyed by
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: the container's protectors.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Well it's interesting, is remember in the Bible always talks about.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Through the use of a power unknown to us.
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: They melt you.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they had to, you know, go through this special
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: process of being considered you know, wholly basically to access it.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: So all that to say that there's something out there, right,
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: I think that obviously God's real, and this job has definitely,
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: you know, put me in a position to where we're
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: able to help get other truths out there, if.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: You will, and you need to get the truth of
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: that thing out there. They need to find that change
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: if you found the actual ark of the Covenant, and
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: you could explain a lot of things like look, if
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: these Ethiopians have it, which.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Graham Hancock believes allegedly they do.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Graham Hancock believes that they do. And he said
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: that these guardians they all get cataracts and they die
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: of like radiation poisoning.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's something to be said about the Ethiopian
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: people as a whole. And going back to the Ethiopian
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Orthodox text. Actually, when I first launched this task, course
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: actually went and I met with a Ethiopian Orthodox pastor,
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: if you will, just to kind of see and explain
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: and ask questions that I can't exactly go to you know,
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: the Smithsonian and ask, and you know, his response was interesting,
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: especially from their perspective. You know, you have a lot
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: of this aspect of I think religion that tries to
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: be doom and gloom. And then in the Ethiopian perspective,
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: he's like, first of all, your timeline's wrong, and I'm like,
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: what do you mean your timeline's like, well, the biblical
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: text in modern day Christianity, it's it's a little bit off, right,
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: so we use it completely separate. I think it's a
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: three hundred and sixty four days out of the year.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: And he's explaining all that, and he's like, but even then,
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: so you know, we don't have the perspective of you know,
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: we are in the end of days, et cetera. But
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: you know, the way his perspective just seemed very optimistic
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: as opposed to pessimistic and filtering and controlling information.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Oh that's probably not online took.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not subjecting.
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: The new posting about that says that the viewer was
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: identified with the target and didn't know what it was
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: and being the ark of the Covenant. After all the
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: explanation they.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Found, Oh well, that's much different, So that whole thing
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: at the end of it was what they were saying
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: it was when they wrote it on that report at all.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: It's just a bunch of words they're putting together and
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: got hearing how put Off talk about that.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: That's way more interesting. If he didn't know what he
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: was looking for and he found something that looked like
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: the arc of the Covenant, that's pretty crazy.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: They kind of like talk them on, right, They'll like
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: give them something and say, like, walk us through.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: I'm just doing Devil's Advocate because I have no skin
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: in the game. I don't know if it's real or
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: not real. I'm open to it. I think there's something
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: going on. I think there's there's more going on with
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: people than we let on. There's some some extra thing
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: that's happening with human beings, the way we're all connected
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: to each other that we don't really totally understand. And
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I think the idea that you can access information that's
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: not local, I don't think that's that weird. I think
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: that might be an emerging aspect of human consciousness, or
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: an aspect of human consciousness that's atrophied, or.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: Just an aspect of spirituality that we've previously forgotten because
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: we're in such a digital age that kind of programs
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: you into the rat race. And I think people the
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: more that they're kind of like, you know, there has
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: to be more to life than just like a nine
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: to five and you know, working for this aspect of materialism,
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: Like don't get me wrong, I like, you know, a
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: nice car in a clean house and all that, but
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: you know, there's also this aspect of you know, being
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: a human and like you know, if you have kids,
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: I think that's like one of the things like I
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: have you have a daughter, I have a son, and
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: it's like when you're a parent, it kind of like
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: makes you realize like wow, there's this aspect of like
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: love I didn't know existed before, and you can kind
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: of really be there and help you know, grow this
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: next human and influence that person. And it just kind
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: of the human experience is something that you know, you
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: can make it as special as you want. And this
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: aspect of you know, us being able to have those
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: little quantum bread what I like to call them, Like
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: have you ever have you ever been like talking about
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: something and like you'll go somewhere hear something and there's
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: like confirmation of what you've been talking about, or you know,
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: something happens and you're like, you know, asking a question,
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: then all of a sudden it pops up kind of
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: there's an answer. And I think that those little things
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: just when you're on the right path and doing what
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: you're supposed to do in this bigger picture.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's a good way to live life if
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: you believe that. It's healthy, smart, It's like a good strategy.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I wonder, like why some people seem to have like
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: the idea of if it being an emerging aspect of
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: human consciousness, our ability to like sense things and know
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: things that are going to happen or reminition or know
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: someone's a liar or a weirdo, like an instantly. Those
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: I always wonder if is it that or is it
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: that we used to have that, like before language that's
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: all we had.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: I think that before tech really evolved, there was a
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: bigger aspect of spiritual day that actually talks about that.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: So like discernment in the Bible, you can talk about,
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: you know, this aspect of being. People say like, oh,
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: if someone has like really bad energy, you're picking up
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: on it.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: There's something to that.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: But I think that because and it's really happened I
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: think in the last like forty years, where people are
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: kind of forgetting that. But when you actually go back
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: to like for example, we're talking just now about the
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: Ark of the Covenant, the Ethiope and Orthodox texts and
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: all this, there's more of that aspect of spirituality that
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: I think has been removed from society. I think it's
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: actually taken away our ability to really respect one another
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: and value human life. And I think that that, you know,
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: from like a political perspective, influences decision, like you get
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: really pro war people, those people are usually not that
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: spiritual and they really don't have a value for life
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: in that aspect.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that that's definitely a real thing. That's unfortunate
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: that there's a and the fact that those are the
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: type of people that always want to be in power.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: They are they're the worst type.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: That's that's probably the scariest part of it. I have.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: I actually had a really gnd baking, groundbreaking conversation. So
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: like the way I'll described Congress is you ever have
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: like a job where eighty percent of it ninety percent
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: of it's just like really eating shit, and then like
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: the ten percent's like really cool, yeah, and it makes
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: up for that like eighty ninety percent that you're just like,
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: actually my factor. Okay, So yeah, that aspect of I
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: think really exists in politics if you like actually care.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: And I had a meeting recently where I was with
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: two other members of Congress that were helping me with
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: the GIFK investigation, and we actually met for the first
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: time since nineteen ninety with the ambassador to the Russian government.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: And I bring that up because at the time of
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: the JFK assassination, the KGB had actually come forward with
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: their own independent investigation and they actually gave it at Kennedy's.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Funeral to US officials.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: We never got those documents, and it's my belief that
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: the CI actually destroyed that information and evidence because it
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: would have confirmed with this the KGB. And mind you,
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: at the timeff K was actually in talks with the
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: President of Russia at that time, and his perspective is
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: that he actually wanted to do a joint mission between
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: the US government and the Russian government to the Moon.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: And there are aspects and divisions within the intelligence community.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: You obviously saw the Cold War was happening. They wanted
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: war in Cuba. They wanted war with Russia. So for
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: them to be able to say that Kennedy, who was
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: not a communist, but that he was a communist sympathizer,
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: and how dare he talk to these dirty communists? I
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: mean that in itself would have given them any ammunition
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: to turn a blind eye or at least not fully
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: figure out who assassinated Kennedy. But I bring that up
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: to say that, you know, when you have these people
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: in power, you know, you can see a lot of
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: it in regards to there's a summit on the fifteenth
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: actually with President Trump and Vadimir Putin, and I think
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: the aspect of you know, anytime you have peace and trade,
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: it's way better than war for everyone involved, for the
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: people Ukraine, for Russia, for the American people, and I
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: think for the surrounding regions. Like I recently got back
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: from meeting with government officials in Romanian and Moldova, and
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: it didn't matter if and I actually met an actual
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: member of the Dovan government who is a communist, like
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: an outward communist, And it didn't matter who I talked to.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Everyone wanted peace.
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: And then when we had met with the European Parliament
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: and the EU some of them wanted peace, but then
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: the countries that had the shittiest economies excuse my language,
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: they were the ones that were advocating for war. Well,
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: you have a war based economy, it always helps your economy.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: So if you have terrible policy perspectives, obviously you would
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: advocate for something like that. But it just goes to
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: show that the people that are going through it, the
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: people that are living it, that are directly impacted it,
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: no one would advocate for war. And so in even
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: just having this conversation, you know a lot of people,
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: even you know, to administration ago, maybe two administrations ago,
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: probably would not have had that conversation, but to be
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: able to develop that dialogue. The end result of that
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: meeting was the Russian government agreed to release their investigation
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: onto JFK that the previous Congressional Task Force in the
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: nineties had tried to obtain from the Russian government and
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: they said no. So they agreed to release that and
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: they'll be posting it publicly for the American people to
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: go through later on this fall.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Have you seen it yet?
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: I haven't, so I'll be seeing at the same time
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: everyone else.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: What do you think is in there if you had
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: a guess.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: So, when I was talking to the ambassador, he's actually
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: a history buff two and so he had actually said
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: that the Russian government, when Oswald was actually in Russia,
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: had done a psychological profile because they thought, you know,
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: they're like, is this guy part of American intelligence?
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Like what's the story? And they thought he was basically nuts.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: And apparently he'd tried to go hunting when he was
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: out there and they were observing him and he couldn't
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: shoot for shit, so they're like, you know, he didn't
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: meet our psychological profile. Then he shows up to the
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: Russian embassy in Mexico City with a gun and they're like,
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: what the hell is that? Like crazy guys showing up
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: at them, Like what's going on? And then we find
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: out simultaneously as this is all happening, that the CIA,
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: kudos to director Radcliffe, had actually released something called the
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: Joe Needes File, and George Joe Neidie was actually he's
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: basically our version of James Bond, but more corrupt, and
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: he was basically a observing Oswald.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: He had lied to Congress. This was all his file.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: He was then the CIA lis Onto Congress during the investigations,
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: stonewalled their investigations, was later awarded something from the CIA.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: So we have the CIA admitting that they lied to Congress,
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: covered up the assassination, or covered up the investigations. We
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: had admissions from the Warren Commission people that had been
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: subject to the Warren Commission's investigation saying that the Warren
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: Commission engaged in witness intimidation. They omitted evidence. The single
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: bullet theory never exists. The CIA admits that Lee Harvey
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: Oswald was not alone gunman. People ask, well, you know,
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: does this mean that you'll ever get the name of
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: who killed him? No, because I don't think the CIA
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: was like kill JFK on this day and use this gun,
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: have this person assigned.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: But there was evidence of multiple shooters for sure.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: Well there had to be multiple shooters. There's injuries, like
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: one of them was the front of his neck.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: We had testimony to that.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: And actually what's interesting is when we first launched the
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: task force, we had left leaning news outlets that were
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: trying to write hit piece of saying that I was
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: basically launching a conspiracy theory task for us, and they
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: had to print the truth weeks ago you can actually
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: what is what is.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: It about people that don't want to believe that some
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: conspiracies are real? What is it a comfort thing? Is
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: it you think you're gonna erode trust in the government?
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: Is it you just have such a rigid worldview and
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: in your mind that there's always been Lee Harvey Oswald
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: acted alone. That's what happened. And because of that, anything
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: that challenges your belief system you fight against.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: Well, specifically to JFK, for decades, the intelligence agencies were
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: influencing what the print and press was doing.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Now, Rivera, you know when Dick Gregory brought that film
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: on the Heraldo Rivera show and you got to see
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: the Uppruder film and you got to see what looks
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: like a shot that makes his head go back into
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: the left and which would indicate he got shot from
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: the front. I think you got shot multiple times by
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: multiple shooters frommultiple different directions, and I don't think necessarily
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't in on it. Well, here's the problem.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: People say, oh, Lee Harvey Oswald couldn't shoot. You don't
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: have to be that good with a rifle to be
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: you're on a ledge, so you have a secure rest
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: if your rifle sighted in And they said his scope
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: was off, but that doesn't mean shit, because you could
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: just drop your scope and it's off. Like all you
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: have to do is take your rifle off of that ledge,
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: drop it on the ground, and now that scope is off.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: You never drop your gun like that, and if you do,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: you can knock your scope off. Well.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: There's multiple problems though, because the Warrant Commission actually never
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: even put into the report, right, So like if.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: You're well, let me finished, let me finish. My point
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: is that wasn't a far shot. It was like, what
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: was it one hundred and forty yards from the book
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: depository to with a scope, Yeah, and a rifle with
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: a rest. No, you could kill a guy like that,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: and he could have been the shooter. He could have
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: been one of the shooters. But I think there's too
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: much witness testimony, there's too much evidence, there's too the
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: whole idea of the magic bullet. There was just because
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: they had to account for all the wounds in the
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: bodies with just three bullets. And they found a guy
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: who got hit in the overpass. In the underpass, rather
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: he got hit with the ricochet. Yeah, so now they
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: knew that bullet couldn't have hit Kennedy or Connolly. So
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: how do you attribute all these wounds to two different guys,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: from multiple gunshots to a single bullet.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: It's a magic bullet, you know.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: You have to find this bullet that fucking for sure
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: didn't hit any bones. And there's more fragments in Connolly's
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: wrists than they were missing from the bullet. The bullet
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: looks almost pristine. It looks like they shot it through
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: like feathers, or they shot it into water, which is
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: what they do when they do ballistics tests on rifles.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: Well, what's interesting is is the Warren Commission did omit
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: multiple female witnesses who were actually at the book depository
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: that day that actually stated that they had never witnessed
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: Oswald actually in the location or going down the back
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: of the book depository.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's possible that he could have snuck passed them.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: There was a lot of chaos. You hear gunshots, it's
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: the president's shot. People don't always think straight when things
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: are going nutty. People have a terrible memory right after
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: traumatic events. Yeah, like yes and no, like he might
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: have been there, or he might not have been there.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: He might have shot at Kennedy, or he might not
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: as Kennedy. But for sure he was some sort of
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: a government operative. We sure he was traveling back and
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: forth from Russia. He married a Russian citizen. There was
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of weird.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: It was under surveillance by the CIA, so there's a
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: lot there. However, I will say this, what the official
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: narrative was we now know.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Is BS right, and that I thought from the beginning.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but a lot of the American people did. But
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: to have their own government say no, that's not true,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: to gaslight them, and to push this narrative of if
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: you question it, you're wrong, you're crazy. That in itself,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: I think when you're talking about like why do the
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: American people not trust their government, it's really this fracture
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: that starts around the Kennedy era and timeframe, and you
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: can see then that distrust kind of evolves. But why
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: do you going back to your original question, why do
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: people refuse to kind of question conspiracy theory? Maybe the
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: stub to it, and I think it's because it's more
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: comfortable for people from a psychological perspective to live in
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: this comfort area that their government might not do something
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: like that, right, or might not try to cover up
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: something like that because that's just an easy way of life.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: But look, it's too scary.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: It's too scary.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: But the fact is that, Look, I've traveled a lot,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: I've dealt with a lot of world leaders. We are
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: still the greatest country in the world, make no excuse
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: about that. But it doesn't mean that we can't call
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: out and hold our own government and officials accountable. And
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: so that's kind of what I've guessed my mission has
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: been this Congress and what I hope that it will
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: continue to be. But I'm not trying to do this
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: for like even the next ten years. So for someone
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: like me, you know, people are like, oh, initially you're
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: going to ruin your political career talking about this. This
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: is crazy, why would you even want to do that?
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: And then you know they're seeing all these big wins
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: coming out in regards to transparency. And I will say,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: had it not been for the secretaries that have been
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: appointed by this administration, this won't have happened. Because in
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: under President Biden, he actually also tried to declassify things
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: pertain to JFK, and the National Archives never released it,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: and so in addition.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: To it's not a good sign. None of that's a
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  Speaker 1: good sign. Like, if you want trust from the American people,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: do you release information? If you want us to distrust you,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: you hide everything, And you're hiding everything on one of
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: the most important events in human history.
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  Speaker 3: They were up until recently, and we're still documents that
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: the GfK community because mind you, I'm actually working with
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: his name's Jefferson Morley. He is not a Republican who's
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: at Bernie Sanders Democrat, but on this issue, we're working
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: great together and he's actually been helping me and he's like, look,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: I've been waiting for this stuff for like thirty years.
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  Speaker 1: It is a hugely biparty.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's super bipartisan.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: It is something we can all get to get that.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: What's the one thing Democrats and Republicans both completely agree on, like,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: tell us what's up? Tell us what's up? Who killed them?
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  Speaker 1: And are they real? That's those are two giant questions
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: that we all have.
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  Speaker 3: I think they're real. The other part is still outstanding.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: But hopefully when the documents are released from the Russian
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: government later on this fall, that might be able to
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: provide a full picture. Granted I'm going to take it
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: with a grand stalkins it's still you know, it was
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: written by the KGB. But at the end of the day,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: we have a good mosaic that's been put together with
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: at least the documents that have been released with this administration,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: and for any outstanding documents, actually have a team assigned
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: to me from the CIA that is actually helping me
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: chase down these documents. And I've already had some interesting
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: experiences like not creepy, but for example, after President Trump's
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: ligned the Executive Order and Radcliffe has been super helpful.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: We actually were made aware of.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: This allegedly there had been a document that was at
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: the CIA that was a report from the Inspector General
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: that had implicated the CIA allegedly in the assassination of JFK.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: So I'm following up on this lead and trying to
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: find this report and the Archives is like, we don't
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: have any documentation of this. The CI says they don't
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: have any documentation and they've been good with us so far.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: So I go to the Archives because they're like, we
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: found this weird bag though, and it's in the skiff
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: and it's been here for five years and it was
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: left by our former attorney for the Archives, and so
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: we don't know what's in it. And I was like,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: we'll go open it, like, well, we don't have the
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: key and it's in a vault, and I said, well,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: I'm coming over. So I drive over literally like put
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: myself in the car again in the car and I
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: go over to the National Archives. We go into the skiff.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: I pull up this bag and I'm like, does anyone
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: have scissors? And we like cut open this little folder
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: and there was a cd ROM in it. And this
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: is again BINDI classified now so I can talk about it.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: But there was this cd ROM of a ton of
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: wires from the State's Department. Some of the wires were
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: pertinding to the Kennedy family and it was actually a
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: WikiLeaks document. And so I think the reason why I
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: was kept at the Archives is because you're not actually
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: supposed to have these documents on government computers.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: Wiki leaks oxide what happened with that. But here I
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: was like cutting it out of a bag.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: That's a that makes sense that you would have the
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: most top secret documents burned on cd ROMs. That way,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: no one could ever get access to it by hacking
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: into your computer.
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  Speaker 2: To this day, I don't know even who left the
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: CD ROM. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: And there was some other stuff in that that I
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: don't need to get into, but uh.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: You need to get into it.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: I don't get in trouble.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: But the stuff that was on there was interesting, and
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: I think I saw recently Tolci had actually talked about
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: some of the State Department wires that had been found
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: that and I think to do the same ones that
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: had talked about the assassination of RFK. There were wires
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: going up from the State Department prior to his assassination,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: which is interesting. So our next investigation, so we've done multiple.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean by that, like, how did they
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: specifically discuss it?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: Well, that's I haven't seen the actual wires themselves yet,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: but what that would imply is that the State Department
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: knew about the asassination before it took place.
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  Speaker 1: Oh geez.
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  Speaker 2: So and now something she talked about.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: Did you get into the MK ultra stuff at all
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: with Jolly West?
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: And so I look at that on my free time,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: but that's not the purview of the task force. But
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: there's stuff that you can again see IDUCA of Wristslash
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: reading Room, super creepy. I did find a document on
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: the archives website that actually ties the initial phases of
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: the mk Ulture program to Operation paper Clip.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, interesting and so in.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: A sense, right, and is there it?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: I'm reading this to my husband.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Use, for sure the Nazis were experimenting on drugs with people.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: They're doing a lot about stuff.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, they were doing a lot of horrible stuff. But
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: for sure they were experimenting on their soldiers and on
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: the prisoners, and they're experimenting on all kinds of people.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: Creepy stuff.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if we took some of that and applied
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: it that The Jack Ruby connection to it is that
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: Jolly West went to visit Jack Ruby after he shot
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: Lee Harvey Oswald, and Jack Ruby was like pretty rational
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: before then, and then after Jolly West leaves, he's like
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: freaking out seeing things that aren't there. I think he
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: said something about jews burn. He could see jews burning.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Alive like a psychosis state, full on lost it.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: Most likely got dosed the fuck with acid. Most Likely
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  Speaker 1: Jolly West just hit him with a fucking way to
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: shot glass of acid. It doesn't like he went so
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: far off the deep end. Then he died later, I
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: think a few years later cancer, but I think he
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: completely lost his mind after Jolly West visited him, and
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Jolly West was he was involved with the Manson family thing.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: He was involved with Operation Midnight Climax where they they
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: had brothels. The CIA was running brothels and they would
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: get these johns to come in with the prostitutes and
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: the prostitutes would give them acid and they didn't know it.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: And so they were sitting there and there was two
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: way mirrors and they were filming them. Why these guys
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: were well for blackmail, for observation. They knew these people
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: were never going to say, hey, you did that to me,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: you know, the look at the government did it dosed
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: me up with acid? Because they're not going to admit
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: they went to a brothel. Well, so you have like
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: the perfect group of people to victimize and just try
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: stuff on.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: Well, and they got in trouble for it too, like
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: the CIA had to do payouts, they were getting sued
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: for it. And then when all this did flush out,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's always actual.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: Freedom of Information Act. And then they found a bunch
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: of documents they found documents that were I forget who
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: found I forget Tom owned Neil, who wrote the book Chaos,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: goes into great detail about this.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: It's interesting about.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: The Manson family and mk Ultri. It's a fantastic book.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: Well, even just this conversation right now. They're such a
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: stigma that exists around it because it's such a spooky topic.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so it's like I don't want to look stupid.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: You don't want to look stupid.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: And so look, anyone watching this can go look at
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: this information, go to CIA doc ov slash reading room
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: and no, it's not going to like be a fishing
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: website that's going to steal your information.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: But like you can find sure it is. This guy
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: is like right accessing.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: But you know, it's it's always been one of those
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: things and that you know, if people ask me, I'm
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: just very transparent about it, and I will say something
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: that started out with a stigma of being you know,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: this conspiracy theory investigation wasting taxpayer dollars has been arguably
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: one of the coolest task force in Congress, I think,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: and we have a lot of good people that are
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: behind it, and I.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: Think the tide is turning on that kind of thinking
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: that these conspiracy theories are silly to pursue. Like some
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: of them, Yeah, some of them.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: Are so crazy true, but that.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: Doesn't mean that some are true. Also, there's a time
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: honored tactic of taking Look if I was an intelligence community,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: and I'm not accusing anybody doing this, but if I
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: was an intelligence community and I had some truth that
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: I was very inconvenient to a narrative, and I wanted
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: to label that truth as being a preposterous conspiracy theory,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: I'd add a bunch of kookie shit to.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: It, or have disinformation campaigns, or dole it out to
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: the nuttiest people on the internet.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Dole it out to the craziest people. You know, this
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: guy's got a drinking problem, he's got a conspiracy theory website.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Or take a little into him.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, get it to him and tell him you're helping
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: him out. You're gonna give you some insight. Get him
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: to spread a bunch of cookie stuff so that when
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: that stuff gets disproven, the other thing's attached to it,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: so the other thing looks stupid too. That's what I
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: would do.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've had our fill.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: Like the one thing I wanted to do when I
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: first got the task force is open up a skiff
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: to any person who held a clearance to come brief
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: us on what they knew about UAPs.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: And I can tell you that we've now had.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: First conversation, like when the door shuts and you're.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: Like, oh boy, well the problem.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: The problem is is I've reached out to some of
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: the biggest names in UFO lore okay, and they all
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: got skiff flu, and we called skiff flu, meaning like
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: the day that the skiff was open that we reserved it,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: We're like, we're here, like, come on, come brief us.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: They get sick or they dog that they.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: Didn't recover, and then they just don't talk to us anymore,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: so they ghost us. Yeah, so I'm like, well, if
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: you're not gonna tell me to skif, then you're full
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: of full of craps.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: Or you're scared for your life because you're just a
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: scientist who doesn't Maybe they got threatened, maybe someone let
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: them know that, maybe someone hung something on their door
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the night.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: But if people say they're going to go tell us
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: in a skiff and then they don't show up, it's
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: a problem, right.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: But maybe those people don't feel like the government's going
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: to protect them.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: That is one of the biggest things that we've had
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: people bring up is that you're whistleblower, but whistleblower protections
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: only go so far, and you can't do anything for
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: my physical safety, and some of them do allege that
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: there's these actual physical concerns. We actually had someone that
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: we wanted to bring in to testify because our next
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: hearing on UAP is going to be a believe it's
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: next month. And the individual that was actually told tests
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: by David Grush is actually a former combat controller and
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: so my husband air.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: Force special operator at combat Control.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: But so we knew the guy via some friends, so
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: we knew that the guy was a nuts or crazy
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: and reached out to him and he did not want
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: to come in.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: He wanted nothing to do with it. Was like I
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: am not touching this and so you know that stuff
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: like that happens.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: Well, also you put those folks on TV, right.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: Well, we don't have to we can do private, but
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: if we testify.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: I think yeah, if it comes time where they have
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: to testify, and there's a lot of time in between
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: people finding out that this guy came and told you, guys,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: what's up to testify?
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: Don't freak out our witnesses.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: Jo. That's the problem. Why what I was talking about
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: is what's being advocated in the documentary that to me
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: makes perfect sense is mass amnesty. Now here's the bad part.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: For sure, you're dealing with enormous sums of money, and
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: I'm sure people got really rich off of that, and
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it's super illegal if it's real.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: But the back engineering, yeah, potential, yeah.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, and also the competitive competitive advantage you would
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: give company a if this company gets access to a
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: down craft that can traverse space and time, that can
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: move through the universe instantaneously, that utilizes an unknown element
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: that has some unknown process of defying gravity. It's utilizing
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: no interior mechanisms of control. Everything is done with the
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: mind of the pilot. If this is the truth, If
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: this is what they're saying, and this is these are
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: the kind of things they find that getting to a
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: contractor would be a massive advantage over the other contractor
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: that also should be on equal standing with the government. Right,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: they both make jets, they both make whatever it is.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: So it's like, what do you do? Do you divvy
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: up your spaceships in between these folks like are they
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: the only ones who get to know it? And then
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: where how do private contactor contractors? How are they the
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: gatekeepers of the most important information in the world if
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: it's true?
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: Well so, and that brings us to what happened at
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: Eggland Air Force Base. So in a nutshell, we had
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: been told by so Representative Gates had come forward and
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: said that he had two or two or three pilots
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: that had contact him saying that the Air Force was
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: covering up information regarding to UAP activity in the pandemic
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: handle and he wanted.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: Us to go with them to investigate.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: So we show up at Eggland Air Force Base, were
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: met by the base commander previous tess even showing up
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: on this congressional delegation to investigate. The Pentagon had tried
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: to cancel the meeting, and you can't. So this is
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: under the last administration, So you can't just cancel a
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: meeting and say you can't come to the base.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: That doesn't work.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: So Gates actually was on House Arm Services at the
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: time that oversees the US military, and so Gates got
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: the chairman involved, calls back onto the Pentagon gets this
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: meeting on the books, and you know, we told them specifically,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: we want to see information on UAP's we want to
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: see the evidence, and we want to have the pilots
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: that saw these aircraft whatever they are, or these spacecraft,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: we want to have briefings from them. In a nutshell,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: we get to Egglin Air Force Base. They keep bs
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: us or besting us about the Chinese spy balloon. That's
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: not what we were there to see. And ultimately we
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: were in the skiff. We got into a verbal disagreement
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: with the base commander at the time who was denying
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: us access to the pilots and to the information, and
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: so that we didn't have the authorization. In the skiff,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: there was many members of the intelligence community. We then
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: go back upstairs to the conference room and proceed to
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: again basically have it out with this commander, and Representative
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: Burchett said, you know, we could do this the easy
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: way or the hard way.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: You choose service.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: Movie kind of but at the time, yeah, the hard way.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: And if it's a hard way, you're going to have
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: you know, Representative Gates and Luna and DC questioning you.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: So I suggest you do it the easy way. So
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: he actually in the middle of the meeting, you know,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: we're kind of holding his feet to the fire on it.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: He like kind of got.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: Nervous as we were talking to him, and he I
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: kid you not. He goes, you know they're gonna like that,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna let you see this. So he like
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: kind of was like thinking out loud but didn't realize
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: that he was basically saying it. And then in the
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: middle of our meeting, he gets up and leaves the
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: room like I have to go to the restroom or something.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: And then maybe like five minutes later, this tech sergeant
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: comes in and says, oh, the base commander's been authorized
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: to go and leave to Georgia.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: He won't be coming back.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: And I'm sitting there looking at Gates in bersion. I'm like,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: he just left, like in the middle of a congressional delegation.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: Like that's never.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: Happen, said out loud, they would be happy that I'm
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: not telling you.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like like verbally articulated it.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: Gates was there, My husband was there, was there is.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: Like if that guy's he's in a powerless situation, right,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: if he does give.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: You access, he's gonna get in trouble he's in.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: He might be really in trouble, you know, like.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: But here's a problem.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: He can't even if it was someone at this like
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: the Secretary of Defense, right because at the time this
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: got pretty high level. I'm not saying, yeah, he still
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: at the end of the day, you're in the military.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: How our government functions is the military does not decide
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: what the civilian sector and what representatives can and cannot see.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: It's not supposed to function like that. So he got
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: up and left, like, I've never seen this happen.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: I was in the military. I've never seen like in
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: the middle of a congressional delegation. These are big deals.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: You just get up and go and leave to Georgia
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: and you just don't come back, like in the middle
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: of the meeting and never.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: Have what state were you in the time?
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: You're in Florida, Like, drove.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: To Georgia, Like, what the hell are you doing in
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: Georgia the middle of the congressional delegation. Yeah, And then
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: his second his second in command, comes in and they
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: managed to get one pilot to come down and brief us.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: And what I will tell you is I will say
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: it Representative Gates has gone on record.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: He actually did as.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: Soon as he left office that we've seen stuff that
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: I don't believe was created by man kind.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: So you can't tell us what you saw.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: But I'm going to let you infer.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: Infer see that this is the problem that I have
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: with all this stuff.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: You should be able to I should be able to
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: tell you without losing my clearance.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: Well, not just that that people that have that information
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: should give that information to the general public. Correct, and
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: stop treating us like you're smarter than us and that
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: you can handle it and we can't.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: That's silly, which is why we have to declassify, which
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: is why help put off stuff now.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: Also, okay, how put off. During the Bush administration was
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: assigned he was one of many scientists and this is
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: also in the age of disclosure. He was one of
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: many scientists that was assigned to put a numerical value
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: to pros and cons of UFO disclosure. So they said
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: to him, we have a crashed UFO that we have
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: been back engineering, and we want to release information to
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: society to let people know that UFOs are real and
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: that there is something else out there that's not us.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: It's much more intelligent than we are. So they have
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: this list of pros and cons banking, religion, societal structure,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: you know, everything, everything on one side, and then the
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: pros like, you know, whatever the positive aspects of it
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: would be. And every single scientist said that the cons
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: outweighed the pros. And he said, I would have loved
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: to have had disclosure, but this was just what they
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: asked me to do. They asked me to compile numbers
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: and to do it in a way that's super objective.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: And he said, if I'm doing my job, this is
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: where I think it would completely wreck our government, completely
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: wreck any idea that the people that are in charge
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: of us have any position of authority. When there's something
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: that can go one hundred million times faster than we
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: think is physically possible through the universe, appear out of nowhere,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: stop all of our nuclear programs, shut down bases, do
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: weird shit.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: But don't you think that that's where kind of it's
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: been interesting because society has moved away from this aspect
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: of like having a spiritual grounding and even believing, and
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: like you know, most people today, I think when you
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: talk about like praying, even that whole concept is kind
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: of just like, oh, you know, they're just and I
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: feel like that thing's kind of pu puoed. But if
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: you have like a grounding in that, and going back
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: to what I was saying earlier, I think that that's
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: not like I don't think that society would do that. Granted,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: I'm not a scientist, I'm not running numbers, but just
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: based on how we've kind of been evolving with access
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: to information and kind of the questions, the discussions that
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: have been happening, not just here but I think internationally,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: I just think a lot's changing now to say that
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: we were you know, and I've heard some wild theories,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: like people think that, you know, humanity was seated by
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: UFOs and that's I don't. I don't agree with that theory.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: I'm going to address.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: It's one one.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: It's an interesting theory.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: You found out it was true, would you tell everybody?
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'd be transparent about it, but I just like,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: don't personally believe it.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: But would you believe it if you found out that
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: was the information I mean, the government had had.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I put it out there because that's what right, But.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: What would that do for your belief? System?
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: Suck?
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: But it really Maybe that's what's confusing about the Bible.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe what's confusing is that it was an oral tradition
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: for hundreds, if not a thousand years before it was
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: ever written down. Right.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that it depends on what book you're
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: talking about, right, So.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: I mean the Old Testament. If you go back to
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: the oldest works of the Bible, weren't most of those
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: stories handed down generation after generation and then eventually written
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: right into texts.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: Well, some of them are written by prophets and then
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: but Enoch is apparently supposed to predate even the time
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: of Genesis.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: And we'll talk the nuttiest one is Ezekiel.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you Enoch is even crazier than.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: Oh I've read. I just don't. Did you find anything
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: about whether or not Enoch is controversial?
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: You can look up look up the fourth century.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: It was discluded as well, I guess since the fifth century.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: It wasn't in.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: Can in fifth century?
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: And why why did it get discluded?
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: It says the Jewish scribes or priest didn't believe, the
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: rabbis didn't believe it was canon. Huh, So it's considered,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: it's regarded as scripture.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: But what's interesting is is it even if that's the case,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: though you have the Ethian Orthodox Church that actually there's
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: Ethiopian Jews and that's considered the most pure form of
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: the Bible. So like you actually have a division of
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: like the Ethiopian Jewish Classic actually recognized Enoch.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: How weird is it that some rabbis five hundred years
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: ago made a call.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: But that's what I'm saying that you can't you can't
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: discredit it because it's weird, But you can't discredit it
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: because again, like when you have people removing books, I
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: just I think, look, and I'm not telling people what
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: have believed. I'm just saying you should take a look
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: at it.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, here it is the main reason for the Jewish
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: rejection of the book is that it's inconsistent with the
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: teachings of the Torah from the standpoint of rabbinic how
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: do you say that rabbinic rabbinic rabbinic Judaism. Sorry, the
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: book is considered to be heretical. Another reason for the
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: exclusion that the text might be the textual nature of
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: several early sections of the book that make use of
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: material from the Torah. For example, Enoch is a mid
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: rash of Deuteronomy thirty three. The context, particularly detailed descriptions
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: of fallen angels, would also be reason for rejection from
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: the Hebrew canon at this period, as is illustrated by
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: the comments of trip Fo the Jew when debating Justin
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: Martyr on this subject. The utterances of God are holy,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: but your expositions are mere contrivance, contrivances as is plain
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: from what has been explained by you, nay even blasphemous,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: for you assert that angels sinned and revolted from God.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: So it was a hum It seems like some people
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: made a decision that something shouldn't be in there.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they but that's the thing is, it's a disagreement
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: in religion and perspective. But they should have still not
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: removed it. And so it's interesting because then you have,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: you know, the evolution of what the King James Bible,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: as we all know that story he wants to get
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: remarried there rewrote it.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: But you even have the.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: Catholic Bible that has it's what happened, right, You have
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: the Catholic Bible that had books that were taken out,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: and then we have the King James.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: So I'm not saying that.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: You know, if you read the King James, you're not
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: getting you don't have access to God. That's all I'm saying.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: But I am saying that there's a bigger picture here
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: that we need to discuss.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: Well, there's always a problem when people get involved and
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: when people get involved in making decisions that this could
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: be real and this could not be. The problem is,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: like all these years later you're dealing with the repercussions
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: of that. Like, imagine a world in which if Enoch
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: was left in the Bible and people were like, wait,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: what happened? Like explain the nuttiness of the Book of
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: Enoch to people.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: Well, it's okay, So if you read it, it talks
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: about the fall of angels, thus creating really the precursor
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: of civilization that led to the First Flood. I think
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: that when you even go into potentially the technology that
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: was given to mankind by these angels, it talks about
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: the hidden beliefs and theories in astronomy, et cetera, metalworking
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: is all of it.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: But it really does explain.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: You know you were talking about earlier, how you have
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: a lot of these religions around the world.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: That kind of say the same thing. This is kind
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: of the og text that leads to those.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: Stories that we're hearing from many religions around the world
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: to talk about angels mixing with the mankind and then
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: seeding a super essentially race of humans that essentially were
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: responsible for basically damning mankind to the flood. I mean,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: you hear about stuff in Greek and Roman mythology people
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: who had these super crazy powers, and you talk about
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: it out loud and it sounds crazy, but that's what
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: the book says. And then the fact that it was
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: taken out and then it's papoud. Yet you have one
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: of the oldest religions in the world via the Ethiopians
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: that actually still have it. You have, you know, the
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: Catholic Church that has books that are missing out of
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: the King James version. I'm just saying that, you know,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: when you read it, you should read it and decide
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: for yourself. Don't listen to what I'm saying, don't listen
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: to what you're saying, but truly give it a chance
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: and see what you have to say. And then you know,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: you're going back to this whole concept of if you
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: have this information pretending to UAPs whatever might they might
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: be the origins. I mean, if you have an understanding
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: of what Enoch was talking about, kind of makes sense.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: Well, I go back to my thoughts on all this stuff.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: It's like very few people could even read back then,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: very few people could write, right, So you're not going
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: to write. You're probably going to try to capture a truth.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: You're probably not writing necessarily to deceive people and make
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: up a story. So the question is with all this stuff,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: is what was the original truth that they were trying
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: to write down? And how much of it is getting
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: distorted by translations from ancient Hebrew to Latin degree, Yeah,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: like how much of it? And is it is it
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: possible to even understand what they're saying without understanding the language.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: And my friend Rick Strassman, he's a very fascinating guy,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: but brilliant guy. One of the things that he did
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: is he taught himself ancient Hebrew so he could read
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: the Bible in ancient Hebrew. It took him sixteen years. Wow,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: but he did it because, like, I want to know
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: it in that language.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: Director.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's smart, because there's always an aspect of
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: translation where you lose implication.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: If you're playing the telephone game. You want to be second,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: you don't want to be fifteenth exactly. And whoever whoever
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: was writing it down the earliest, that's probably your closer
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: to their depictions of what that truth is. Then after
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: King James starts fucking around with it and knew what,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: people start getting involved. But boy, when you go to
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: the really old stuff, you know, the really old stuff
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: is very strange.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: The Orthodo, I'm telling you, the Ethiopian Orthodox Bible. I
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: actually had a staffer that went to Ethiopia. She was
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: on a church trip, and she actually brought me back
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: a copy and she's like, you can translate it via
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: Google Translation. So kudos to modern day technology. So I
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: have it in my office and actually when I did
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: my swearing in, I actually did my swearing in on
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: the Ethiopian Orthodox Bible.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: Cool, it's direct translation.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: That's kind of crazy. It's it's you know, I would
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: wonder what the impact to all these religions would be
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: if we had definitive proof that we're not alone, Like
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: if there was an introduction, like a some sort of
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: an event where they decided, look, this government is too
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: secretive with all this information you're holding back the understanding
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: of these intelligent life forms that they are not the
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: apex of this planet not, nor are they anywhere close
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: to the peak of the intelligence that's available out there
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: in the universe. Just let me show you real quick
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: and then what was what does everybody do now? Like
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: what happens to the Mormons? I think everybody's gonna fucking
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: blow a gasket.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: Well, I think that brings us back to squirrel. And
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: so by the way, I'm by no means saying that
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: you know, aliens are gone, That's what I'm saying.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: But I think that brings us back to the fundamental
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: question on do you believe that God exists? Because if
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: you do, then you realize that our freedom, you know,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: the freedom of choice, is not a man given right,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: but a God given right. And I think that that
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: goes back to the fundamental principles of like what we
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: believe in true representation. So if you believe that God
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: is real, God is powerful, then it shouldn't be a
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: king or a man that you're looking to, but to
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: God for divine inspiration and to make your life decisions.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: That's ultimately what freedom of choice is.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: But I think even the Catholic churches acknowledged that the
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: idea that if there is intelligent life somewhere else, it
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that God didn't create it.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: Well, that's true, and it's maybe God just.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: Didn't tell you about the neighbors.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: Well, it does say in Enoch.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: And then also too, I think in Genesis that the
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: stars cried out, and so if you're looking, well a star,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: if it's not, you know, what do they mean by
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: stars crying out? And then Enoch actually alludes to stars
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: in certain capacities being potentially angels. Now I'm not saying like,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: and this is kind of interesting because you know, I've
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: had this aspect of my task force, what we've been investigating.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: But then I have, you know, my personal beliefs, and
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: you know my religious beliefs. And what I'm telling you
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: is that in my position officially, I've seen men pervert
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: information to get what they want.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: So it's not unlikely that an.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: Entire you know, very secret, very truthful text was omitted
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: in an effort to control population and to insert yourself
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: between individual's relationship between them directly in God. And I
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: think that, you know.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: Especially if it doesn't agree with your interpretation whatever I
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: got the issue with these rabbis, right.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if you're having people determine any information, yes,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: you should not be able to do that, just the
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: same thing.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: As the UFO stuff. You should be No one should
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: be the gatekeeper of information.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: Exactly, and hence the transparency on the information.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: Especially something that's it should be for all of us.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: This is nuts.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: I think we're probably going to be responsible for like
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: the Book of Younox sales probably increase on Amazon.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: I'm going to buy it. I'm going to buy it.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: I need to read it now, I think, well, I
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: wish I could. I mean, I'm sure there's some interpretations
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: of the Dead Sea scrolls that I could sludge through.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: But the thing about it is I could really love
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: to be able to read it in arab Man. I
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: really wish I could read am. I just don't have.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: If I did, gone you should see if there's like
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: an audible.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: So I'm sure there is. But what I'm saying is
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: I really like the Strassman idea of learning ancient Hebrew
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: to be able to read the source material. That's so
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: that is That's where it gets really interesting, because like,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: what were these people trying to write about and if
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: these people like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson are correct,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: and these folks that believe in the younger Dries impact theory,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: you know, the Bible was written a couple thousand years ago.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: These people that are talking about the younger Dryes impact
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: theory are talking about a cataclysmic event that wiped out
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: advanced civilization eleven thousand, eight hundred years ago.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: Well, Plato talks about it, hearing it from Egyptian teachers
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: and then going back to the Lantean civilization and what was.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: My point, what was their Bible? Well, so I mean
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: like if you can get back to eleven eight hundred
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: years ago and read what they thought went down, because
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: I think that's probably where the oral traditions come from.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: The oral traditions come from the complete collapse of society.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: Rebuild over time takes forever, and then a re understanding
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: of what you know to be true about the origin
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: of man and the birth of the universe and why
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: we're here, and then you got to figure out what
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: Jesus is.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: So I actually, when I was in my early twenties,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: actually went to Egypt to see the Megalithic structures there,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: and then I went to Turkey to see the Sumerian
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: inscriptions and carvings and what they thought the ancient Sumerian
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: gods were the Onunaki all that. What's interesting is in
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: ENOCHA actually has reference to the Anaki, but a different
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: I think it's like a news like the term the
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: root term that's used for it.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: So have you read the Zacharis hich and stuff. No,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: do you know of it?
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: I've heard of it.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's the most fun.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: Well, I will say with all of that, going back
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: to if you read Enoch and then follow about the
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: fall of mankind and the angels with you know, and
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: this is Christian theology, right, so like angels came down
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: Ribald against God and are read with humankind, that would
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: be I think a good starting point for what potentially
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: the Anak you were.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. God probably didn't like that they were coming around
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: and taking the ancient hominids and juice them up, make
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: them chest.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: Heaven did not approve.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably against the code of the universe. God
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: probably says, look, you can go visit, but don't mess
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: around with it.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: Well, there's definitely something to be said it actually talks
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: about this in Enoch about a divine justice, and so
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: I think, you know, again going back to what is
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: our job. You know, how society function. You have aspects
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: in like government. Do you trust your government? Is government
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: going to follow through and bring accountability? You know, that's
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: our job at the same sense, and that we have
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: to ensure that if we are true true you have
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: an equal in fair society, that you have to have
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: this aspect of justice that has to be carried out.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: And I you know, I can go back to something
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: that I've found kind of crazy, but you know, the
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: mandatory minimums for child predators are not that high in
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: this country, and so Congress can actually increase in mandatory minimums.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: But there's been a lot of lethargy about that. It's like,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: why would you, you know, not want to increase it.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: Some people against the death penalty, and I would say
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: that it's not you know, my job to play god
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: or to judge people, just to help to arrange the meeting.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: M Yeah, it's a weird job, right, I mean, you're
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: you're involved in the disclosure of things that have questioned
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: that people have questioned forever. I mean, these are those
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: are the huge questions that exist from the nineteen sixties
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: on UFOs, JFK, Martin Luther KRK, RFK. Those are the
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: big ones, especially.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: For IT, and there's there's a good group of people
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: that are assigned to it. I did say recently, so
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: the MLK documents just came out and we're wrapping up
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: our GfK investigation. So after we finalize the GfK investigation,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: we're putting out an official congressional report on our findings
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: and people can read it intside for themselves. Then we
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: have RFK and then MLK. But I think a lot
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: of the MLK family was actually very concerned that we
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: were going to go into extracurriculum, and that's not the
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: objective of the task force. It's to specifically expose what
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: the government was doing if they knew about the potential threats.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: And people say, well, why do we care about I
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: constantly get well, we shouldn't care about this, No, you should,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: because there has to be a check in balance. And
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: when you know if the CIA was operating outside the
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: purview of the federal government, if you know that whistle
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: blowers are being punished, if needs to be reformed to
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: the FOI act all this stuff, then we have to
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: be able to put forward legislation to ensure it doesn't
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: happen again. And what's been very interesting and almost serendipitous
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: about the whole GfK investigation is you have President Trump
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: now in the second term that's released all this information,
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: and multiple presidents tried to but they were worked against
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: by their own secretaries within these agencies and then deep
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: sate actors that try to block the efforts for release.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: Now you're seeing kind of a flush of the system.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: And even though information hasn't come out as fast as
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: we would like it, to the fact that they've made
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: these admissions is really good. But moving forward into how
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: do you prevent this from happening again, it's people really
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: do like young people, especially because there's so much fatigue
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: for people that have been in office for you know.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: And the reason I say that, like, I don't even
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: want to do this for the next ten years, is
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: because everyone, even people I've looked up to, after a
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: certain amount of time, they lose their edge. And I
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: think that that's because, like you're up there, you're taking
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: in a lot of incoming. It's it's not a fun job.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: Like you're getting attacked, like you're getting beat down.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: It's stressful.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: But if you can put all your energy in it
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: now and then you can cut ties and pass it on.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: That's how our founding fathers wanted us to do, is
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: like pass the torch, stand up the next right.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: But we have a bunch of career politicians that want
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: to stay in office for fifty sixty.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: Years, correct, And that's the problem. And it's on both sides.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's on both sides.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: So I'm trying to do a discharge petition now on
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: term liments. So back in Janney of my first term,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: so back in January of twenty twenty two, I'm sure
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: you saw there was like this massive speaker's fight about
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: confirming Kevin McCarthy as speakers of the Speaker of the House.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: And I was part of one of those twenty that said,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: we're not going to vote for you just yet. We
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: need to reform the institution in the way that we
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: function because power had been consolidated within the speaker's position
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: so much so that how it's supposed to work is
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: you're supposed to be able to bring a bill forward,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: that bill's supposed to.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: Come to the floor.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: All these policies were being consolidated in one person, and
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: if you didn't step fall in line, you wouldn't get
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: committee assignments, you wouldn't be able to fundraise.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: They would basically.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: Cut off all aspects of fundraising in Washington, and the
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: mainstream media for a while was like, you guys are
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: disrupting the process, you know, like you guys are fighting, Well,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: what the hell do you want Congress to do? You
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: wanted to just fall in mine and not argue our principles,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: Like that's last time I checked that you're supposed to
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: fight for that. And so we were able to reform
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: the institution. But one of the things that we had
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: negotiated with the former speaker was we wanted a vote
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: on term limits, and that never came up. And so
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: now because of our very slim majority, one of the
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: most slim majorities in US history, we have the ability
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: to do something called a discharge petition, and it's where
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: you can physically go down and basically collect signatures on
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: a bill. And so I'm bringing forward to that have
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: already been filed. One is going to be to force
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: a vote on termament. So I'm going to see if
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: members of Congress will actually put their name to actually
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: bring that bill to the floor. There's going to be
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: a massive, I hope, pressure campaign to activate members to
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: do that.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: And then the other one is banning insider trading.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's been talked about for a while.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: But hasn't been done. And we can do it.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: It just needs a little more money and then she'll quit.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: Well, it's not you know, there was a Comms director
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: meeting for the entire GOP and I'm calling up Burchet's
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: bill on banning insider trading, and we were not invited
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: to that to that meeting, our staff was excommunicated from that.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: I wonder why, Yeah, I know something we're making money with.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: Shocker. It's crazy, how like openly corrupt that part of
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: the businesses. But the thing is, once you've become accustomed
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: to be able to do something, and you've been able
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: to do it for decades, you're very reluctant to give
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: that up. Why would you give that up? That's a
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: huge advantage.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: People say that it doesn't exist, but last time I checked,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: when you are given access to CEOs, when you're given
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: access to information that are affecting markets, and then you're
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: on the committee or that has purview over those bills.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: You do have information, like.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: Like you have a little you have a little more
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: than the average person, and.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: There's a lot, you know, you can look at people's
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: you know, they go in, you're making one seventy five
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: a year, and then all of a sudden you come
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: out You're worth like twenty million, two hundred million.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: It's kind of shady, not really gambling. The stock market
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: is kind of gambling, and you're not, Like the UFC
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: doesn't even allow me to gamble, and I can't even
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: affect the outcome.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: But yeah, see, so you can't do it, but Congress.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: Can Congress can you know? For not at least the
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: inside information that I have, anybody could have mostly not really, No,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: that's not true. No, I know some stuff sometimes unfortunately.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was told if I forced to vote that
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: I was going to cost us the republic, is what
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: I was doing.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: But to think about the insider trading thing is the
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: amount of money is so egregious, Like isn't Pelosi now
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: worth four hundred million?
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: Was the upwards I saw upwards of two hundred million?
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: But I thought she jacked up her portfolio recently significantly.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: But it's not just hurts. It's on both sides.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, she's just the poster lady. Unfortunately, no
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: slight at her. It's all across the board. If you
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: look at how many people, it's red blue, red blue,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: it's the whole thing. Everybody's doing it.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: I told my husband, I was like, we're not going
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: to do stocks because it's just that's the one thing
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: you can talk to anyone. I actually was reading an
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: article so and the local press are like Rep. Bluon
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: is trying to force a vote on this right, and
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: so like I'm always the kind of red headed step
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: child usually with especially in dumb circles, but this one
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: lady post I to actually start laughing. She goes, well,
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: a broken clock is right twice a day, and I
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: started laughing because I'm like, it's such like a Byparson issue,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: Like over eighty percent of Americans don't think that congresshould
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: be able to trade stock, and it's true because we're
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: given access the information and that that's truly influencing your
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: Did you ask.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: Her what the rest of you are wrong about?
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, I tend to I think it's just I
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: think it's party party associations, Like some people just will
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: never vote brown clack.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, people are rabbit and they're super upset
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: now obviously because Trump's an office again, so that that
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: rabbid nature has been over amplified.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: It has I think a lot of it.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: Those driven by like bought activity, I think is really big.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 3: I can tell you that when I first launched the
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: task force, people were like, she's an intelligence asset, She's
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: never going to release information. That it came out that
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 3: I actually don't have declassification authority, but we have been
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: able to produce wins and we are getting full cooperation
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 3: from the executive branch. So we're just simply investigating the findings,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: collecting the information and pressing for release.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: There's real people along with those bots, but real people
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: are also influenced by bots as well. There's waves of
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: negativity and positivity to go in certain directions that are orchestrated,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: and there's companies that are known companies that you can
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: actually hire them to kind of do stuff.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: In Florida, actually, there's a couple of social media influencers
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: that have been approached. I've seen it, so I know
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: it exists crazy. What's interesting though, is it goes back
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: to the you never want to get in trouble in
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: a crowd of people because they'll just look at each other.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: You ever see like someone getting beat up and they
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: just like film it, right, So going to help that person,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: And that's part of that group. Think it exists online.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: I do think X need to do something at least
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: like be able to label bought accounts because I've seen
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: it happen, especially on certain things like I had done
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: something to allow new moms to vote when you're recovering.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: Our job is different, Like only thirteen women in US
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: history have ever given birth. It's about to be fourteen
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: who are members of Congress, and god forbid we enter
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: a war something, we're not going to be able to
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: vote if you're recovering in a hospital. That's a pretty
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: like rare circumstance. And so there was definitely bought accounts
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: that were attacking me for that and accusing me of
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: like destroying the republic. Again, I said, I don't think
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: that that's the case, But.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not tinfoil had stuff.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: Folks.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: You really need to know that. Why wouldn't there be
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: this is the thing like if you were whether it's
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: this country, a corporation another country, why wouldn't you automate
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: your system or have AI or even just have actual
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: people that have a job and their job is to
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: type inflammatory So whatever whatever it is, insults, whatever it is, like,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: whatever their their accomplishment, whatever their goal they're trying accomplish,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: is why wouldn't you have a group of people that
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: you have at your command if it's legal.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: So it is legal, So it is legal.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: And in politics, what's interesting is they'll test, Like especially
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: when you're running for office, it's kind of interesting because
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: you'll actually during my first race, I actually had a
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: firm that I was going to for consulting, and they
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: had someone that had worked at the firm that had
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: also worked with like McDonald's branding. So if people that
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: are running for office will bring on these firms and
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: then they'll like give them kind of like a branding profile.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: What was interesting about that is that you know, you
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: have this aspect of bought activities. Social media at the
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: time was kind of just resurfacing. Is if you want
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: to be kind of influenced, you have to be able
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: to use social media, share your message and get that
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: out there and could I think Trump really kind of
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: refine that was kind of one of the leading figures
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: in that, especially when Twitter one point zero was in existence, right,
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: But then you had this aspect of people that were
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: running for office, and then there was actually a censorship
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: state in this country. And we found that out that
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: Twitter one point zero was coordinating with the Department of
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: Homeland Security. We found this out actually in a congressional
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: hearing where they were actually in DHS had a division
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: under SI said that was supposed to be monitoring terrorist
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: organizations and they were using it on the American people
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: to censor information, specifically on COVID on January six. All
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: that that is scary. You still have censorship issues in
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: places like the Euse, so like to think that they
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: wouldn't use social media platforms, especially to influence the masses,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: is just that's not a conspiracy theory.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: That happens. We have evidence of that.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: Court censorship is influencing. It's also causing people to self censor,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: which changes discourse.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not wanting to have conversations.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you can get banned from Twitter for a
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: variety of things, particularly during COVID. But I think code
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: was also a great test case for them. I see,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: like if there's some sort of a catastrophe, some natural disaster,
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: some national security issue where we could now enforce new
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: regulations of censorship.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: Well and scary regulations at that, because COVID was really
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: kind of dystopian. And going back to kind of you know,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: I think you'd mentioned foreign government influence using bots. The
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: one thing that's been interesting is in our investigation, so
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: like taking now my task force hat off and going
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: into actually problems that we see right now happening. You
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: saw this like massive a couple of weeks ago, a
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: riff that was taking place between the American people, specifically
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: on immigration, and all of a sudden, these like pop
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: up riots. I actually called them the Tamu Riots, like
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: the Tamu Chinese app because it came out via actually
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: this woman, her name's Data Republican on X and she
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: actually tracked down the funding line and what was happening
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: was the Chinese government was basically propping up this billionaire
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: American billionaire, Neville Singham, and actually he was donating money
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: to organizations like Party of Socialism and Liberty and where
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: they were actually funding a lot of these riot pop
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: ups in the area. So you had people that were
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: being used divided. For example, on the immigration topic, you
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: literally have them passing out you know, Mexican flag saying
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: that they cared about immigrants, when in actuality, the financial
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: ties is actually coming from the CCP, so the Chinese
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 3: government on many occasions, and it's not uncommon within Congress
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: to not even on apps like TikTok, they were showing
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 3: certain information and in order to cause a rift and
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: influence people, this same individual nevill seeing him. Actually, once
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: we got this information, we sent a request to have
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: him come testify to Congress. And he spends part of
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: his year in Shanghai, China, and so we were not
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: able to deliver him his subpoena basically. And so there's
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: a lot of letter that Chairman Comber has now authorized
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: to be sent that will go to the Treasury Department
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: to freeze his assets unless he comes to testified it
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: to Congress. Wow, and that mind you, this is not
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: you know people, and like, look, I started out before
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: politics with my feet getting wet as an activist, Like
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: that's actually how we started out in politics. So like
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: I understand the immigration the board, I'd like understand all
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: arguments because I've been through and I've had a debate
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: on debate it. But what's the problem for me is
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: that you have foreign governments trying to cause a rift
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: and then promote ideologies that will empower people, specifically to
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: push forward policy that will actually put us as like
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: second tier as opposed to the Chinese government. And I
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: do think that the Chinese government in their execution has
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: been very very specific about how they want to hinder
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: our ability to be global dominators. I think when you're
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: looking at what happened in COVID timeframe, right, So, like
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: a lot of people said that Wuhan lab leak, that
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: was a conspiracy theory, we now know that it happened
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: and that was true. But at the same time, if
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: you look at what President Trump was doing, he was
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: actually trying to negotiate trade with China and he was winning,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden COVID happened. Well, what
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 3: was interesting second time around in Trump two point zero
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: is that you have all these TEAMU rights taking place
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 3: at the same time, and it almost got no coverage
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: in the mainstream media, but you had multiple Chinese nationals
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: that were caught trying to release agro terrorism weapons.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about those, yeah.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 3: Agro terrorism weapons. And then at the same time the
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: tariff war was taking place, and then you actually saw
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: them trying to infiltrate. So I don't think it's by accident,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: but I do think that it's important to remember that
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: just because you see something happening on the mainstream media,
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 3: the media will always try to amplify something because it's
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 3: rage baiting and its click and its views, which translates
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: to money.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: And if it's negative against Trump, it gets front page of.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: Course, of course, but when you actually look at where
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: the funding stream is coming from, it actually goes back
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: to China. And this is not the only incident where
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 3: they try to drive a wedge between Americans and then
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: actually like sexual like compartmentalized with Hispanic Americans specifically. So
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen, now the largest voting minority in the
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: country are Hispanic Americans, specifically of Mexican descent, and I
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: think you can find that sat on Phispanic dot org.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: So when you're looking at voting demographics, how could you
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: influence an entire demographic to help skew or influence the
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: midterm election? And it would be specifically, probably on the
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 3: immigration topic to try to.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: Race bait people.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 3: But then you have this aspect of the same guy,
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: Neville Seeingham, his wife actually funds an organization called Code Pink.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: So this is all Chinese money now going to a
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: separate cause, and this one specifically is on the Israel
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: versus Palestine issue. They don't care about Israelis or Palestinians.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: This is a Chinese funded group and what they're doing
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: is they're using that front in an effort to then
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: divide on that topic as well. So it's a multifaceted
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: approach using minority classes in order to actually push the
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: end goal, which would be communism.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: And also too, you can actually look on the flyers
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: for these organizations, so PSL Neville Seeingham is actually an
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: open admirer of Mao Zedong. I mean, like it's all
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: up there and it's out there for you to find.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: But it's just crazy because most people, you know, you
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 3: see this aspect of propaganda that's being shown to you,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: and you're not gonna be like who's funding that? You know,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: You're gonna say, like, you know, tell with that person,
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: I'm going to fight for this. But that's they don't
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: actually realize the more nefery perspective of what's happening behind
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: the scenes.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: So I absolutely believe this is true that I'm sure
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: other countries fund similar things. But also it was in
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: reaction to some of the ICE raids, right, I mean
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: it was. It was a visceral reaction that a lot
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: of people had the idea of people just showing up
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: and pulling people out of schools and pulling people out
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: of home depot and pulling people that were just hardworking
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: people that maybe snuck over here because they didn't have
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: a legal way to get over here. But since they've
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: been here, they've been good people and they're a part
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: of communities. And that's what freaks people out, because what
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: people when people thought about ICE, they thought, great, we're
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: going to get rid of the gang members. They didn't think, great,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: you're gonna get rid of a landscaper.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: But the question is why didn't they do it then?
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: During why did these rights and why did this.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: No, no, no happen. I don't disagree with you.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: I think I'm a Biden.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: Listen. I'm sure these riots, some of these riots absolutely
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: are manufactured. I'm sure they are I'm sure these palettes
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: of bricks that get left off on corn owners when
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: they know that there's going to be Oh yeah, that's bananas.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: Well they fund they fund raised.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 3: But to your point, so, how do you fix something
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: like the immigration system as a whole.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: Right, So you definitely don't have an open border, that's correct,
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: because you need to know if people are criminals that
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: are coming in. You don't want cartel members coming in.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: You don't want murderers coming in and serial killers. Like,
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: there's there's a reason why we have borders. All the above, Right,
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: there's a reason why we have borders. But the thing
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: that freaks people out is like how many corporations rely
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: on illegal labor? Oh?
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: One of them?
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: I actually, yeah, we actually last year I was putting
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: out some messaging on them because I'd watched this documentary
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: about the slaughterhouses. How are they're actually using migrant children
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: like fourteen fifteen in some of these slaughterhouses? And the
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: lobbyist from Tyson Chicken Corporation contacted my cheapest staff at
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: the time and was like trying to basically say like hey,
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 3: like basically back off, but like I don't care, like
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 3: it's wrong, Like I don't care where you're on the specrum.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: We shouldn't allow migrant labor with children, specifically because child
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: slave labor.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you a story that a high level government
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: official told me. Okay, I don't want to I don't
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: know if he said it on here or not, so
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say his name.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: Wait, so he was on here, so then that narrows it.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, guy, someone actually said to him that they don't
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: want to stop the illegal immigration because they need cheap labor.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: Correct. I actually think that it'll never stop at.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: Least, but they don't have to pay them any benefits.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: They don't they don't.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: Have to take care of their insurance or pay them
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: at all.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: Well, they pay them, but they don't have to pay
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: them what they're supposed to pay them.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: Well, I've heard cases where people, specifically contractors, will walk
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: on people if they know that they're here illegally. And like,
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: so going back to like, how how do you fix this? Right?
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 3: Is one of the top cases that I handle, aside
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: from Social Security help and refund like within my congressional office.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: So a congressional office does constituent services, and it's basically
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: like customer service, like have you been victimized by by
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: the federal government, you know, call this number that's your
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 3: congressional office. So specifically on immigration cases, like if you've
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 3: had an issue with the state Department visas all that,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: you can contact your local congressman. And so what I
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: will say is that we've had people that have spent
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 3: like tens of thousands of dollars to come here, but
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: it takes like twenty something.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: Years to do.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: And that's part of the problem is there's been such
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 3: an influx and such a bog down of the actual
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: system that our actual system is not functioning at the
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: capacity that it should to actually help people come here
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 3: the correct way, well.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: Especially poor people. Right. And if you want to immigrate
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: to the United States, the application, one of the things
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: they ask you is are you an expert in something
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: where people in the United States can't do it, like
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: a doctor, Or maybe you're a musician and like no
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: one else could sing your songs. You maybe you could
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: get citizenship from that. But if you're just a landscaper,
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: you're just a guy who lives in a third world
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: country and you want a better life, and you say,
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: I heard you can get across and I heard when
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: you get across you can get work, Like, what is
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: that guy going to do? That guy doesn't have the
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: money to hire a lawyer, He's not going to How
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: is he going to prove that he's more valuable than
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: a United States citizen that's already here at doing the
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: exact same job.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 3: I do think that unless we are able to a
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 3: assign probably more lawyers, more judges to actually hear these cases,
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 3: it's going to continue to be a problem. And I
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: have heard, okay, on the floor, these are conversations between
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 3: members that to a certain extent, especially when you're talking about,
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 3: you know, like an e verify system within the ad industry,
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: that actually members of that committee don't want that because
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 3: they know that the farmers are actually heavily relying on
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: some of these illegals to work Annecy, Yeah.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: And construction crews and fill in the bland.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: So I can confirm that.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So isn't the solution force people to pay everybody
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: exactly the same way?
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because you don't have the decrease in wages. However,
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 3: I think the bigger problem that we have here, though,
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: is that, at least specifically in my district and then
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: also to having argued this is that this gray area
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 3: that's been created, in my opinion, they don't want a
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 3: solution for They do it intentionally with the understanding that
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 3: both sides are going to fundraise off of it. In
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: my opinion, if I was to be able to actually
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: fix this, I would say that you have to. I
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: would say pause, let the system run through, take everyone in,
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: vet them, make sure that they're not criminals, et cetera.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 3: But then the system allows time for it to actually
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: catch up to itself, and then you can continue as is.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: What you just said was so scary that they don't
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: want to resolve it because they want the issue to
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: exist so they can fundraise for it against it. Yeah,
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: that's so nuts and probably so accurate. That's probably so
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: accurate because anytime anything ever happens, one of the first
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: things they do is like, please donate, like throw it up.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: So all the people that are very reactionaryily, I can't
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: believe this is happening.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 3: And you know it's crazy, as the most elected officials
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 3: might send out that email, but the email fundraiser is
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 3: actually taking like eighty percent of that dollar. That's like
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 3: usually the average preasure and It's like, I'm in the
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 3: wrong business.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: This is crazy.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: Scariest thing nonprofits is how much profit they make. It's
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: really weird when you see the salaries of some of
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: these people. They are in nonprofits.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: I will never I will.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: Dollars a year. You're like, what is how is that?
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: And they do nothing?
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: Crazy? Or what's going on with the La fire thing?
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: You know where they can't figure out where all the
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: money went? It went to one hundred and eighty eight
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: different nonprofits.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: Oh is it Spencer Spencer? I was like, Spencer Pratt
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: for gun there's a little.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: Pit bull that's on that thing. They burnt his fucking
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: house got burnt.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 3: Down, and then they promised all these celebrities are like, yeah, donate,
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 3: We'll give it to the victims.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: It's like, where did it go? There's like this fine
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: print that he wrote.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: It's really weird, but it exposes the legality of these
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: systems there. It's legal for them to operate like that,
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: where you know, an enormous percentage of all the money
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: that comes in goes to overhead, it goes to salaries.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: It's like, but it's such a scam. It's such a
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: weird scam and it's such a devious thing because you're
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: pulling on people's heart strings, which.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: Is why, going back to what I said, we need
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: younger people and we need more normal people.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: To run for office.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: We need AI to take over.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: But I don't know about it. God no, no, no.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: AI is our governor. AI is our king, That's what
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: we'll say in school now, as our.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: King, we need to I think AI can be used
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 3: in good senses like I can, and I asked ROC
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: things a lot, and I will argue points, but I
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: think we need to work alongside it because there's this
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: aspect of AI that removes the humanity, Like I don't
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 3: think you can teach AI empathy, and there's a certain
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 3: aspect of humanity that needs to be kept involved in
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 3: these decision making processes. For example, if you have a
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 3: drone that's been targeted to, let's say, eliminate a terrorist
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 3: at this grid location, and it's functioning solely on AI, well,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 3: what's going to enable it to be able to pause
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: on destruction of a location if there's children within it?
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, if it's a bot, it's not thinking and true.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: But the US history of drone use is no better
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: than what you just described.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 3: Well, there are oversights and massive investigations, especially if it's
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 3: in regard to civilian casualties, right.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: But civilian casualties are the majority of deaths from drones.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: I would say, based on the people that I've talked
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 3: with and interacted, it's definitely happened in the past, and
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 3: it's definitely problematic.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: However, it's but it's the majority, I'd have to I mean,
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: The majority of the people that are not that died
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: were civilians. They weren't the intended targets.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: Well, and that's a problem, and that's where a lot
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 3: of these people do. You have low ax, So there's
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 3: massive investigations with the jags, et cetera that get involved
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 3: in these investigations.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, would AI be better than that, I
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: I think you can have I think you can have
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 3: an AI decision making process, but where there's a human
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: involved in that step process, so like the human would
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: be the final step in authority, so the AI would
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 3: rank it maybe, And like, granted I'm not an AI programmer,
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: but I am saying that I think that there's an
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 3: interface where you can have humans involved in the finale.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: Well, the most terrifying solution is not that is, don't
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: use the missilest you have a drone that specifically targets
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: one person.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's suicide drones. Yeah, but yeah, even.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: Worse, it flies through the house and like lands on
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: the dude's head blows up.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 3: Don't freak me out too much, because the Chinese have
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 3: a little spy drone that's like literally this big.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: I've seen it.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they just they have bug drones.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: Sure our government does too. There's no way that Chinese
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: are the only ones that do it, especially if they
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: really have been back engineering UFOs for the last forty.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: Five I don't think that any other government is as
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 3: advanced in regards to that topic as we potentially. And
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: I say that because if that were the case, then
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 3: they would be the world superpower.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: I agree with that, but I also think that even
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: though we probably have the best military contractors, we also
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: get infiltrated by the Chinese government and the Russian government
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: all the time. Oh that's they're always.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 3: And Congress gets infiltrated, yes, Like how many people like
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 3: have all of a sudden like girlfriends.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: Girlfriend, No comment on that one.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: Guys are weak. We're so weak. All you have to
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: do is be hot and yeah, stupid.
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: We find they span that guy.
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: Of course, there's always going to be people like that
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: that infiltrate universities, that infiltrate research centers they get information
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: back to the CCP. There's that famous story I think
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: Mark Andresen told us about how what was it in Berkeley?
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: I forget what the corporation was, but the power went
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: down and saw the CCP. People panicked because they were
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: supposed to send the information back and if they don't, hey,
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: maybe your grandmother doesn't get her medicine. Maybe you know
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: what I mean, maybe your family gets a visit, like
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: you have to be on time.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 3: The University of Michigan has now had like what too.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 3: I think those agroturism was like University of Michigan.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: And then he's like.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: All over the country they've been infiltrated by like these
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: governments have like very cleverly inserted their ideology into these universities.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: Like your investment off talked about this that Russia was
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: doing this in the nineteen eighties. It was nineteen eighty four.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 3: The one thing that's been interesting is and a lot
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 3: of people aren't talking about there's one representative member Republican
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 3: from California that's addressing it. But when they have surrogates,
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 3: have children here for US citizenship, but then they take
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 3: them back and fully integrate them and educate them in China,
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 3: and so technically they're US citizens, but they are being
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 3: totally raised with the ideology and perspective of the Chinese government,
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 3: and that's an interesting perspective.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: And then they come back over here and they're full
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: US citizens, full access to government.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 3: Yes, access to all of our resources, everything, education system.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: And then we sell the Chinese government land around our
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: military base.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 3: Oh that has been I I get you know, I
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 3: love our libertarian brothers, okay, but and sisters, But I
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 3: have gotten into so many debates on this because they're like, well,
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 3: you know, we shouldn't limit an American's ability to actually
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 3: sell their property. And I'm like, yeah, but the Chinese
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 3: government literally wants to eliminate the West as we know it,
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 3: and so we have to be cognitive that. And also
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 3: to by the way, it's not like you're just like
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 3: buying a military installation. You think that they're not actually
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 3: like actually putting tech or observing monitoring pulling all of
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 3: our resources.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: Not just that, Like Mike Baker talked about this on
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: the podcast, that they sell cell phone towers, see these companies,
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: well Huawei, which was they were really problematic, but they
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: so they sell these cell phone towers near these bases,
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: and so they sell them at a discounted rate. And
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: then the Huawei stuff was crazy because it actually had
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: like a third party access built into some of their
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 1: systems and.
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 3: A lot of the tech that they actually sell here,
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 3: whether it's to our law enforcement. So like anytime you
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 3: have specifically I would say, like within even our craning
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 3: and like our actual shipping operations, those things are sending
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 3: signals back home.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well we're so stupid we can't make those things.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 3: Well we should, we should be making So there's if
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 3: you have an American business, you can now actually get
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 3: a big tax instead of for manufacturing.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: Back up. That's great, but it's going to take ten
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: years for us to even catch up to where they
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: are now. We just got to stay what a dumb idea,
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: Like everyone has a cell phone, no one can make
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: a phone. What is that? No one saw that coming.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: That's bananas all.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 3: Out in the seventies for manufacturing, and I think that
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 3: that's where you're seeing this aspect of people that are
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 3: very like if you talk about and I'm not like
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 3: an isolationist by any means, but like I do believe
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 3: that we should have especially with COVID, everyone saw this.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 3: We should have certain things that are just manufactured here.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 3: I think tech is extremely important. I think Palmer Lucky's
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 3: doing like laptops or something now in the United is
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 3: trying to actually move that over it.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: Elonnch make a phone. I bet he's thinking about it
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: because he's in some sort of a dispute right now
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: with Apple because Apple won't There's something about the way
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: grock Ai shows up, and he's saying that their algorithm
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: is essentially rigged where open ai is like grock ai
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: is never featured.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: Oh really talking about app on my phone?
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: But so maybe that'll incentivize him to make a phone.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: Elon make a phone and we'll try it out.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: Elon muss is Apple's rigging the app store for chat GPT,
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: the tech mogul is threatening immediate legal action, accusing the
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: iPhone maker of unequivocable antitrust violation does ting to favor
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: his AI rival.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: Oh it is his AI rival, the sam Altman.
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, gay, Yeah, it's interesting. I wonder if that there's
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, you don't just say something like that, do you.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: No, No, he definitely he's not as dummy. He's smart.
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 2: There's definitely something.
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, readers added context twenty twenty five, Deep Seek reach
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: number one, and Deep seeks the Japanese, the Chinese one right.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 2: O, and Deep seeks freaky about some of the stuff
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: that it can.
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 1: Just one month ago, Perplexity also reached number one overall
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: in India's App store. Both of these occurred after the
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: Open Ai Apple partnership announced on June tenth, twenty twenty four.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: But what about the United States, Because the United States
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: is the biggest market when it comes to like, we're
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: probably the highest percentage of people to use Apple. I
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: mean in the world.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: It's literally when you go to buy a phone, it's usually.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: I'm almost I think it's something crazy. With kids, it's
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: like eighty four percent or something like that.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 3: Oh, don't get me. If you have a kid, keep
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 3: them off the phones as long as.
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: You can, Yes, for sure. But I mean, but the
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: point is, like the app store in America is that
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: is the monopoly in this country if you want to
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: get an app. I mean, it's not monopoly, but the leader, ye,
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: the head leader.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 3: To be honest with you, I've only ever had an iPhone,
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 3: and so that's the only platform I've ever used.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: I know. It's like Android versus iPhone.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: Now I have both. They're both really good. The Android's
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: way better than it used.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 2: To be, but it's still say I had it back.
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: In the day, but it's right there. Where then iPhone
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: is right now, just different and gives you a lot
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: more access to stuff.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 2: Well, it's still freaky though.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 3: Then you have these phones that are considered actual safe
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 3: phones that aren't ripping your data and basically turning on
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 3: every ten minutes to kind of be able to target
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 3: you for sales whatever it might be. I can tell
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 3: you that, you know, given my job and some of
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 3: this stuff, I'm totally freaked out by having an iPhone,
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 3: and I look forward to the day where I don't
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 3: have to have a phone.
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna get a flip phone.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: You're gonna keep it. They're gonna already have a chip
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: in your head by then.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 3: No, absolutely of me, of all people know chips for
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 3: a chip free.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there are any phones that really
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: truly are safe. I mean, I know that there's there's
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: some phones that run on alternative operating systems that aren't Google.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: What is that alternative system that they use with Pixel phones?
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: That now, at least the French government when they find
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: people that have Google phones, they immediately look at that
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: person as a point.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: Of interest because they're like, we can't track you, yeah.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 1: Because they're using this other operating system. What is it
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: called again, I can't remember it, but it's what Adam
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: Curry uses. It's a de googled iPhone that uses an
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: alternative operating system. So this doesn't send data. I'm sure
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: the GPS sucks. It's probably called graphe that's right, graphine os.
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: So there's multiple different different OSS that people use outside
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: of the Google but you can only use it on
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: Android phones and a lot of people use it on
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: Pixel phones. You can actually buy them. What is that
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: guy's name, The Asian gentleman who has that, Rob Braxton.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: He sells them and he is like a security advocate.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: He's always talking to you about how insecure all your
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: technology is and explaining why they added this and what
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: this means now and where your data is going and
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: how they can track you, and it's made me. So
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: he sells de goled googled iPhones. Oh he's a response
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: to Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan is wondering what I'm hiding.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: Five years ago, I was fucking around. I was just saying,
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: was that guy hiding? He's scared? So this guy's been
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 1: at this forever, right, So five years ago we were
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: talking about him and he was making these phones five
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: years ago.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 3: Well, and from a government perspective, you have this aspect
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 3: of a lot of people don't want to reform PAISA.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 3: PISA in the way that it can surveillance some Americans
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 3: is pretty freaky. We would like really freaky, really freaky.
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 3: And we you know, I actually did not get a
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 3: committee assignment on House arm Services as a VET because
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 3: I voted against FISA and I was one of two
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 3: that voted against it, and they said that I was
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 3: not a team player.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: But we actually look at play for the team.
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this seems to be like an ongoing thing. I
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 3: am playing for the team, but it's just not amazing.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: Ut is that a nutty thing to say?
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: Whatever happened to the representative of the people. What are
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: we doing?
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 3: There's they're actually there's still a few good representatives.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: I'm belive you. It's few in part between.
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's hard. It's probably hard to stay
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: the course. It's probably hard to keep your your your
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: morals and your ethics. Why everyone around you isn't.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 3: You You have to not so some of the best representatives,
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 3: best even people and government are the ones that did
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 3: not have to.
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: Do this job right.
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 3: And that's because if you're giving up something to come here,
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 3: it means that you're doing it for the right reasons.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 3: If you have nothing to gain from this position and
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 3: this is the only thing you've ever wanted to be,
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 3: you're usually not the best person for that job. And
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 3: I say that because you are then only going to
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 3: do what it takes to get re elected, which means
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 3: that you are willing to compromise your principles because there
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 3: will be decisions that you have to take where you're
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 3: going to have to stand firm on your principles and
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 3: be like, I can't vute for that. There's there's a
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 3: massive pressure campaigns, Like when a certain bill comes up,
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 3: if I'm voting against it, you have planted stories in
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 3: the press. You have super PACs that will come in
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 3: and drop text messages in your district to your constituents
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 3: saying that did you know that Representative so and so
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 3: voted against this? And so you have to be able
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 3: to be like, all right, I'm just gonna just disconnect.
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 3: And you know, at a certain point you do have
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 3: to do that, because then you're just you'll go crazy.
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: Definitely go crazy.
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 2: If you read all the bots, Oh you can't read
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: don't don't fight with the don't fight with the bots.
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: No, people do read them. It's just interesting that it's
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: like representative Like when you see representatives today, some of
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 1: them are kind of characters, you know, where they become.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: Like Gotham, Yeah, where they become.
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 1: Popular, you know, they become like Fetterman, you know, is possible.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: Not too he's changed it. He's like actually makes sense
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: on much.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: More reasonable than most. Yeah, he's a logical guy. He's
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 1: a very nice guy. I think it's hilarious that he
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: still wears the hoodie and the shorts like he's exploiting
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: a rule.
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 2: In the Sun's kind of right.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: He's kind of right, and that is really how he
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: likes to dress. Like when I saw him in DC,
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: it was like ten degrees out. This dude had shorts
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: on and a hoodie, a car heart hoodie, and he's
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 1: just but he's like that's genuinely him. I think he's
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: a good guy.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: But he's a big guy too, so like there's only
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 2: sweats a lot.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably easily warm, like not saying that.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 2: We know sweats, but just you know, for sure he does.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: He's a big guy. But yeah, I know he's he's reasonable.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: But the point is that he's kind of a character.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: Like Jasmine Crockett's a character, AOC's a character. There's characters
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: and they you know, they're like main characters in this
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: political show that we're all watching on telephones overs site.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 3: So I actually was on oversight with all this except
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 3: for Fetterman. And what I'll tell you is the oversight
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 3: tends to bring out the characters for sure, Okay. And
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 3: but I will say is that actually I have been
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 3: able to on certain things like with AOC, I introduced
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 3: a piece of legislation, so there was a partner bill
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 3: in the Senate with Bernie Sanders and I think Josh
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 3: hollytick hap credit card interest at ten percent and then
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 3: we started getting I started getting a lot of heat
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 3: for it because of the people like, you can't do that,
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 3: and I was like, well, most of these banks that
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 3: we're talking about are actually taking government bailout. So if
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 3: you're taking a government bailout and you're essentially operating off
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 3: the goodwill of the federal government, then you should be
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 3: held a standard because then you have like predatory lending
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 3: and ends up happening some of these people will take
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 3: out a a credit card or max at their credit cards,
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 3: and then for the rest of their life they're paying
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 3: back the debt. And then also there's something that we've
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 3: been able to introduce, so this is like the more
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 3: populous representation where you see both the right and the
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 3: left kind of agree on certain things. And there's another
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 3: bill that I'm introducing with another Democrat and another Republican
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 3: that's a more modern Republican but it's actually to cap
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 3: student loan interest at two point five percent.
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: That would be wonderful because I was just going to
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: ask you about that. I was reading this woman on
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: X and she was talking about how she graduated with
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: student loans that equaled I think it was twenty eight
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars, she's paid off, she's never missed a payment,
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: paid off twenty four thousand dollars, and she's still owes
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 1: sick thousand dollars.
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so what they do is they actually and I've
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 3: quote been quote on this, but it creates an indentured
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 3: servant basically for the rest of their life. They're paying
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 3: off the set and you can never actually you know, function.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: It absolutely insane. If she's telling the truth, and I
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: believe she is, that's absolutely insane that you could owe
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: sixty thousand plus dollars after a twenty four thousand or
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: twenty eight thousand loan when you've paid twenty four thousand
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: of it off.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 3: It's for people that are actually trying to better themselves
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 3: that might have to take out cripple once for that
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 3: it's crippling, and then they actually can't get a good
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 3: start at being contributing members of p cyety KAT actually.
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: In a debt.
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: Exactly. If you want to make America great again, have
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 1: less people in debt, have less losers opportunity. Yeah, I
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: have more people that can get things going on because
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: they're not burdened by some crazy debt that really is
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: not right. It's not right that you do that to
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: an eighteen year old kid. I saddle them down like
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: that for the rest of their life.
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 3: And to be clear, like, I'm not talking about student
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 3: loan forgiveness, and I think you're not either. But you know,
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 3: I had to join the military. I paid for my
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 3: college using the GI bill, And so do I think
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 3: student loans forgive this is fair?
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: And no?
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 3: But is this a way that we can actually make
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 3: a happy medium to where people are actually given the
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 3: opportunity to pay back the debt? And yes, and so
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 3: I look forward to introducing that. But that's a piece
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 3: of legislation that should be on the floor and that
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 3: it's not, and it's.
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: Taken an ideal world. Education is free. In an ideal
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: country where you really care about the people and you
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 1: really want more success stories, education is free. Difficult to
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: get into you have to be qualified a true meritocracy.
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: But education should be free. And if these certain people
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: from different parts of the country don't seem to be
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: getting in, address that, figure out what's wrong with their
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 1: school system and throw federal funds at that. It's not
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: impossible to figure out why certain school systems are doing
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: poorly and other ones are doing great.
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 3: Will I will tell you, like from a personal Lenson perspective.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 3: So when I was in my freshman year in high school,
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 3: I moved up to LA with my mom and I.
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 3: By the time I graduated, I went to six high
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 3: schools and an adult school. That's actually I like barely graduated.
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 3: And what I will say is that one of the
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 3: high schools.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: I went to different schools.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 2: It just how ended up functioning.
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 3: So like my freshman year, my mom went through divorce,
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 3: my dad got arrested, So I have an interesting background.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 3: So there was that live yeah, But I ended up
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 3: actually going to Venice High School one of these times,
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 3: and that was around my junior year. And what the
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 3: LA Unified School District was doing at the time is
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 3: they were actually bussing in kids from other parts.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: Of La County.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 3: And at the time, specifically in the early two thousands,
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 3: there was a big issue with the black and Chicano
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 3: gangs in LA and so you know, what was happening
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 3: outside and the neighborhoods was carrying on into the school districts.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 3: And when you have gang activity and like kids, the
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 3: only opportunity that they have is like being able to
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 3: join a gang and that's it. You know, they're never
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 3: going to go to college. They're never going to have
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 3: the opportunity, and so that carries on into the education system.
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 3: They're never given a chance. And so I think in
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 3: Florida we've been doing it right with school choice. President
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 3: Trump's been pretty big on that. But being able to
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 3: give students or their parents the ability to send them
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 3: to good schools without gang activity outside of their zip code,
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 3: that matters, and that does impact people.
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: And cracking down on gang activity.
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 3: It's so there was a kid that was shot in
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 3: the parking lot of my school, yeah, and shot and killed.
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 3: You guys, actually pull up the article of Venice High
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 3: School school shooting.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: No, listen, you don't have to tell me. Venice was crazy.
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: Back back before it's gentified.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: It was rough, yeah, and it's kind of getting crazy
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 1: now with homeless people.
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 3: I haven't been back since I basically left it. So
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 3: when I was nineteen, I joined the military, and then
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 3: my mom ended up leaving California with my little brother
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 3: and sister, probably about like five years ago.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 1: Now. Vennis is always such an interesting part of LA
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 1: because it's like LA but really weird, like weird people
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: like interesting lad as a whole. Yeah, but Venice has
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: like a surf culture, you know, dog Town, Dogtown. There's
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of people that are artists that live there.
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: That affects the vibe of the place. Like Venice in
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 1: the nineties was really cool.
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 2: Well in the early two thousands it was cool too,
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 2: but it was rough. I mean, I it's always been
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: filled with crime.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 3: Well I got jumped. Yeah, and when I was like, yeah,
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 3: I got jumped in high school. I swear like part
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 3: of the reason why I'm such a huge advocate for
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 3: like standing up to bullies is probably because of that.
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Damn, Venice was rough back in the day.
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: I had a buddy of mine who lived there. In
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 1: the park where he used to take his kid, someone
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: got shot in it, yeah, and he's like, Okay, great,
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 1: where do I take my kid now?
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 2: I can't, you know honestly.
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 3: So like seeing all that though, like being able to
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 3: see that and then kind of tell that story, Like
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 3: I do think that there's power in that because there's
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 3: people that go through that and like think, like, man,
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 3: I might not be able to like be successful, but
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 3: that's not true. You can always fight your way out
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 3: of it. I joined the military at nineteen best thing
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 3: I ever did. And I met a lot of other
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 3: people in the military who grew up inner city, Chicago
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 3: or wherever it was. They're able to go back and
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 3: help their family and like to my mom's credit, you know,
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 3: my mom also has like an incredible story, but she
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 3: had me at twenty years old, seeing a mom. My
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 3: dad ended up eventually getting clean, but my husband and
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 3: I moved him in with us and then he got sober.
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 3: And so that story in itself, I think, you know,
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 3: you tell your story and it empowers other people, especially
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 3: to be fighters and not just give up.
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of people have bad childhoods.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and people aren't going to tell you that, Like,
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 2: no one's going to be like you know.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: But but it's also great for someone to hear a
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: story like yours or someone who came out of a
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 1: similar childhood maybe that they're having yep, or maybe even
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 1: worse than they're having, and you see what you've been
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: able to do.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 3: Like that's powerful to people, well, and it is, and
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 3: it's powerful I think to an idea that would like
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 3: to box certain people, whether like you're a woman or
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 3: you're a Hispanic into this stereotype and like how you
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 3: should believe and think and vote, or you're.
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: Poor, you come from a single mom. I think that
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 1: was one of the most important things about Obama becoming president.
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 1: We heard like, oh, guys comes from a single mom
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: and he became the president of the United States. It was
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 1: like for a lot of people, it's like, okay, relatable. Well, yeah, well,
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: maybe my life isn't what I wished it would be,
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: but look what that guy's able to accomplish. Maybe I
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 1: could do something too, instead of thinking I'm going to
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 1: be a loser forever.
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 3: Well, what was interesting is I shared my story, so like,
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 3: remember I told you I started out as an activist,
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 3: and I would tell people this because you know, I
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 3: I do feel like to at a certain sense, when
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 3: you tell your story, you can share that you're empowering
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 3: other people to take something and turn it into a positive.
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 3: And within like maybe a couple weeks of me getting elected,
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 3: I all of a sudden started having this Washington Post
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 3: reporter reaching out to my family and actually asked my
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 3: mom whether she had proof that my grand my grandmother
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 3: had actually passed away HIV positive.
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: Oh god, and was herrassed?
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 3: Lying, Yeah, and so they put out this nasty, nasty
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 3: article about me, basically trying to say that I had
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 3: fabricated my dad's incarceration record. They had tried to say
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 3: that I was a registered Democrat in Washington, like all
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 3: this stuff that was categorically false, and I had actually
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 3: gotten contacted from like my.
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: Old Stare piece.
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 3: Oh was terrible, but I had receipts. And so after
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 3: this came out, I said, no hold up, and I
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 3: actually gave Fox News all of my stuff that I
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 3: had and I was able to refuse. And then Time
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 3: magazine had actually reached out and they said, would you
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 3: mind if we conduct like an interview on your background?
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 2: I said, how about it. Here's my information.
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 3: I had actually even gotten my DNA done to like
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 3: prove that I'm Hispanic because of the fact that I'm
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 3: lighter skin. When I got elected, there was like this
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 3: controvers how hispanic was I and like it was actually
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 3: a thing. I'm like, I'm not such like speedy Gonzalz
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 3: with a.
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: Sombrero running around. It's like one of my supposing.
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 1: It's so racists. That's so racist. How is spanic? Isn't
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 1: that funny that that the time where the left is
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 1: allowed to be racist.
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: It's like so crazy.
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: It is such a crazy thing to say, how hispanic
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 1: is right? How black are you?
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 2: Exactly sure?
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 1: Obama? You don't look that black?
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: To me, it was it was crazy.
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 3: But I actually gave all this information to Time magazine?
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 1: Are you rat? Just saying that to Obama? How black
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 1: are you?
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 2: When people would ask me?
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 3: Actually mention that to a reporter actually because of the
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 3: fact that he's half white and half black, And I said,
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, last time I checked.
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 2: Am I not allowed to be white too?
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 3: Because there's this aspect of I wasn't hispanic enough because
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 3: I'm white, But then also this aspect of I'm not
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 3: white enough because I'm Hispanic?
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 2: So like, which are you?
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 1: Boy? That's so ridiculous. That's such a ridiculous thing to ask.
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 1: It's like it goes in the face of what's supposed
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 1: to be about their principles. Their principles are supposed to
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 1: be not seeing color at all.
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, there's a lot to attack.
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 1: You and say you're pretending to be hispanic, or that
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 1: you're barely.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 2: Hispanic and not Hispanic enough.
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 1: What percentage are you?
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 2: I'm half that's fifty, I'm so crazy, and then I
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 2: had to explain though.
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 3: I said, well, if my mom's half and my dad's half,
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 3: what does that make me?
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 2: And she goes a quarter. I said, no, that's all.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: I'm three quarters Italian. Imagine someone I'm not Italian. That's hilarious.
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 1: That's so racist. That's such a crazy thing that they
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 1: allow it as long as it's coming from.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 3: Their side, and also to if I were on the
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 3: other side, I'd probably be like a rock star. So
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 3: long story short. So this this article comes out. Time
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 3: magazine invests Gates after doing like twenty something hours on background.
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 3: I give them all the evidence, and they actually ended
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 3: up writing an article on me called the Influencer that
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 3: came to Congress and then named me as Time Magazine's
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 3: next one hundred months.
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: Influence in the world.
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 1: Well, that's nice of them.
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 3: I'm just glad that it vindicated me, because it was
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 3: not a fun spot to the end.
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 1: It's just weird.
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 1: I know that it's always going to be a part
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 1: of politics, but it's so disappointing as an enlightened culture
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 1: that we don't disavow that kind of reporting and recognized
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 1: from both sides, how detrimental it is to finding out
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 1: what's real and what's true.
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 3: It's it was done though because of the fact that
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 3: people like me specifically don't meet a certain stereotype, and
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 3: so it was an effort to discredit that effort.
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: But it's like for people like wondering, you know why,
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 2: and so, like.
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 1: I think most people are going to know why they
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 1: did it. It's pretty obvious. But it's just bizarre that
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 1: we allow it as long as it's from our side.
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 1: You know, Progressives will allow like the most devious behaviors
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 1: from their cyber Republicans the same thing, the most devious shit,
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 1: as long as it's beneficial to their side. And that's
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 1: what's really stupid. And we need to disavow that you
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 1: could disagree with someone, don't think they're the right person
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 1: for the job, vote against them. That's all great, But
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 1: when you start like deceiving people with false depictions of
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 1: who a person is and making up a bunch of
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 1: stupid shit and calling in to question how hispanic they are.
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 2: That ridiculous.
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 1: Just stop. This is childish. It's like, this shouldn't be
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 1: where we're at in twenty twenty five. It shouldn't be
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 1: where we're at as a mature nation. You know, we're
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 1: three hundred years old, now, figure it out.
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 3: It was I think it was actually from my mom,
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 3: especially like I've I've been through the ring our politics,
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 3: so like I'm kind of battlehardened for I'm like, oh,
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 3: another hit piece, Like I don't care. But it was
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 3: my mom and like what she was subjected to. And
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 3: I was like, you know, my mom is really cool.
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 3: Like she put herself through law school when I was
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 3: in high school, Like she left an abusive marriage. She
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 3: has come a long way, and so for like her
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 3: to be treated like that, I was like, it's just
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 3: like one thing in politics, like its.
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 1: Moral, it's gross, and it's again, it's one of those
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 1: things that we shouldn't tolerate. We shouldn't be doing it,
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 1: we shouldn't advocate for it, we shouldn't be happy if
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 1: it's done against the side that's ideologically opposed to us. Gross,
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: it's gross. It's gross. As a civilized group of human
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 1: beings that calls itself a country, it's gross. It's gross.
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 1: It's like, there's other ways to do it, you know,
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 1: we don't. You don't have to just be a twat
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 1: all the time.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 3: I prefer debating on ideology tends to be the best,
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 3: but people always yeah, it's like in fighting, you can't
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 3: like just go and sucker punch someone.
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like the same thing.
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 3: And that was kind of they try to sucker punch me,
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 3: and I was like, what's awesome, Jackie Channon, I don't.
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 1: Have to be fighting. If you believe what you believe
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 1: and you have a rational argument, you can have a conversation.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 1: And this seems to be something that people don't want
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 1: to do anymore for some weird reason. They want to
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 1: just stick to what they think, stick to what they believe,
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 1: and they don't want to hear a rational opposing viewpoint
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 1: because there's so many do their stupid ideas.
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 3: It was it's a lot interesting how Congress functions when
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 3: the cameras are off, and I think people would definitely
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 3: change their opinion because a lot of people will do
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 3: it for clicks, ratings, and social media has not helped
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 3: with that because people are looking for what can go
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 3: viral next? Or is like this viral theory that people,
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 3: you know, they think that they can only be successful
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 3: in their policy or their argument, whether it's committee hearings
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 3: or whatever they want that clip that they can post
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 3: and then get notoriety for. So social media has been
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 3: both a blessing and a curse in this social media
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 3: sphere because or in the political sphere, because you can
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 3: get your information out directly to the American people using
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 3: it and refute bad information. But then there's also this
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 3: aspect of like I wish people could see the conversations
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 3: that take place behind the scenes, because it wouldn't be
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 3: so inflammatory.
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 2: Basically what I'm saying.
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 1: That makes sense. Well, full transparency will come with the chip. Anna,
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 1: just put the chip in.
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 2: Don't take the check.
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 1: We'll have full transparency. It seems like this whole thing,
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  Speaker 1: your whole journey in becoming involved in politics has been
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 1: pretty stressful.
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  Speaker 2: Is that it's definitely not something I want my son
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  Speaker 2: to do.
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  Speaker 1: What you thought it was? What did you think it
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  Speaker 1: was going to be like before you got in and
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  Speaker 1: what was different once you got in there?
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  Speaker 3: So when I first started out in politics, I started out.
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 3: So I joined the military at nineteen, I paid my
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 3: way through college. I wanted to be a doctor, so
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 3: I got into a med school program at SDU and Grenada,
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 3: and I was supposed to go to that and then
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 3: I kid you not. Like the day before I was
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 3: supposed to leave, I got recruited to work for a
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 3: nonprofit to basically help lead out Hispanic activism nationally, and
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  Speaker 3: I thought, that's how I can make a difference. And
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 3: then I realized that as part of that job, they
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 3: are putting me on television. I had a booker, and
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 3: so I was talking about stuff happening, but it was
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  Speaker 3: more the commentary on inflammatory things. I actually wanted to
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  Speaker 3: address what was happening with human trafficking, and I actually
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  Speaker 3: requested the state departments rapport.
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  Speaker 2: I was a big activist with that.
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  Speaker 3: I was working with the nonprofit at the time, and
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 3: I realized that they only wanted me to talk about
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 3: what was getting them the ratings, and so I did realize.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, well, they keep though talking about what
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 3: people in DC are doing, so if I want to
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 3: change the discussion and have to go to Washington to
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 3: do it. So I called my husband and I was like,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to run for off. As he goes, what
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  Speaker 3: do you mean? We yeah, because what do you mean?
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  Speaker 3: I was like, Well, from what I gather, everyone's like
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 3: a team effort, and it's totally true. If your spouse
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 3: isn't on board, good luck because politics is natty right,
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 3: and so he ended up basically figuring it out with me.
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  Speaker 3: And for someone like me, there's no how to manual
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 3: how to run from off. It's usually family like literally
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 3: family affairs, where like people like their parent did it
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 3: or they have like a.
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  Speaker 2: Direct immediate tie to it.
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 3: So I figured it out, and now that I'm in office,
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 3: I'm realizing that I can make an influence, an impact
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 3: to an extent with some influence, but it would be.
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  Speaker 2: A lot more helpful if there were ten other of me.
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  Speaker 3: And so when I'm done in office, I'm going to
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 3: help recruit younger candidates that have the ideological perspective that
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 3: I do to run them. And then I'm going to
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 3: help do things for them behind the scenes to help
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  Speaker 3: get them in.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to be a mastermind behind the scenes to
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  Speaker 1: help It just seems like a super broken process.
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  Speaker 2: It's not.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: I've traveled a lot. I've seen a lot of other parliaments.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a member of the Host Democracy Partnership into I've
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 3: gone to a lot of countries and we still have
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 3: the best system.
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  Speaker 2: I believe that, Yeah, but.
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  Speaker 1: We need But I still believe it's a mess.
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  Speaker 3: It's a mess though because good people don't want to run,
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 3: and they have to young people.
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  Speaker 2: Have to run.
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  Speaker 1: It's also a mess because the people that have been
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 1: in positions of power for so long or so set
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  Speaker 1: in their ways and are so deeply ingrained in the system,
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 1: and all the tentacles of all these different special interests
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 1: and all the money that's all connected to all these decisions.
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  Speaker 1: Is so it's just so I don't know if it's
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 1: possible to unwind all that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: It is if you have enough fresh blood. So like,
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 3: how do you shock a system right? And you need
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 3: to infuse it. And so right now we have an
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 3: interesting time period because we have divisions. So like going
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 3: back to kind of the declassification efforts that we've been
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 3: working on for the first time in US history. You
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 3: have an aspect of the government that's being transparent and
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 3: releasing information, like we're helping wherever we can on that.
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 3: But that is only possible because the right people with
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 3: the right mindset were pointed in those agencies to be
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 3: able to try to force the system to do something.
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 3: But there's this aspect of that's just executive branch. But
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 3: you have the legislative branch, and the legislative branch needs
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  Speaker 3: younger people that want to do this because they truly
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 3: believe in fixing the system. And you cannot be a
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 3: pessimist in this job or else you will go crazy.
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 3: You would go crazy. So you have to be an
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 3: optimist and understand that there is a solution for it,
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 3: and going back to kind of like those like little
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 3: quantum breadcrumbs. I've had enough stuff happen where I know
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 3: I'm on the right path, but I also think that,
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 3: you know, part of what I'm supposed to is like
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 3: to help other people do this, So I'm going to
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 3: help kind of execute that mission.
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 1: How's long are you going to be in office?
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but not definitely in the next ten years.
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 3: I promise you have going to be with a beekeeper
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 3: and a flip phone and that's it.
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 2: No no internet.
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 1: Well, if I'm still doing a podcast, then let's talk.
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 1: Tell me about the Hopefully then we'll know UFOs are real.
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 1: They've already landed.
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  Speaker 3: At least we get some declassified stuff, right, hopefully cool.
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 1: Remember back when we didn't know who killed j Okay? Yeah,
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 1: Well now I know, all right, Well, thank you very
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  Speaker 1: much for being here. I really appreciate it was fun
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  Speaker 1: to talk to. Good Bye everybody,