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Gamma Ray Revolution: The Longest Burst and Cosmic Mysteries Unveiled · Space News Today

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This is Spacetime Series 28, episode 147
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for broadcast on the 17th of December
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2025.
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Coming up on Spaceime, discovery of the
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longest gammaray burst ever detected. An
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elemental bounty discovered in a
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supernova remnant. And for the first
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time, the International Space Station is
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full up with no spare parking spaces
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available. All that and more coming up
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on Spaceime.
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Welcome to Spaceime with Stuart Garry.
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Astronomers have discovered the longest
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gammaray burst ever detected, lasting
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over 7 hours, and in the process
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changing science's understanding about
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the death of the most massive stars.
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Astronomers have been trying to work out
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exactly what was responsible for this
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extraordinary cosmic explosion ever
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since it was first detected on July the
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2nd. The initial observations have been
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reported in the monthly notices of the
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Royal Astronomical Society and in the
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Astrophysical Journal letters. Gammaray
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bursts are incredibly rare. Put simply,
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they're the most powerful explosions
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since the big bang of creation 13.8
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billion years ago. And they come in two
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broad types. There are short period
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gammaray bursts which last just a few
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seconds and are thought to be caused by
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the merger of two neutron stars forming
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a black hole or by the merger of a
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neutron star into a black hole. Then
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there are long period gammaray bursts.
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They can last for more than 10 seconds
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and are thought to be caused by the
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explosive supernova deaths of the most
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massive stars, turning them into black
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holes. This specific gammaray burst
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named GRB250702b
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continued not for hours but days and is
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now thought to have herald a new kind of
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stellar explosion.
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Astronomers still think the best
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explanation for this outburst is a black
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hole consuming a star, but they disagree
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on exactly how this would have happened.
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Possibilities include a black hole
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weighing a few thousand times the mass
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of our sun shredding a star that passed
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too close or alternatively a much
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smaller black hole merging with and
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consuming its stellar companion. One of
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the study's authors, Eliza Knights from
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George Washington University in NASA's
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Godard Space Flight Center in Green
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Belt, Maryland, says the initial wave of
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gamma rays lasted at least 7 hours, and
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that's nearly twice the duration of the
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longest gammaray bursts previously seen.
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It was unlike anything observed in the
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last half century, and it had some
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really unusual properties. On average, a
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gammaray burst is detected somewhere in
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the universe at least once a day. They
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can appear anywhere in the sky without
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warning. Usually, they're very distant
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events with even the closest known
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example erupting more than 100 million
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lighty years away. But the record
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setting duration of the July burst
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places it in a class by itself. Of the
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roughly 15,000 gammaray bursts observed
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since the phenomenon was first
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recognized back in 1973, none have been
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as long and only around half a dozen
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have even come close. Because
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opportunities to study such events are
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so rare and because many reveal new ways
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to create gammaray bursts, astronomers
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are especially excited about the July
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event. All gammaray bursts are thought
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to be generated by matter falling into a
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black hole. But not all the matter
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falling into a black hole is immediately
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consumed. Most of it first forms an
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accretion disc around the black hole.
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There it's crushed and torn apart at the
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subatomic level. Most will pass beyond
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the point of no return called the event
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horizon after which it falls forever
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into the black hole singularity. But
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black holes are messy eaters and some of
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the material is caught up in magnetic
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fields which channels the matter into
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tight jets of particles that stream out
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across the universe at almost the speed
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of light in the process creating gamma
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rays as they go. The thing is none of
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this is thought to be able to readily
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create jets able to keep firing for days
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on end. And that's why 2550702b
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poses such a unique puzzle. The gammaray
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burst monitor on NASA's Fermy gammaray
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space telescope discovered the burst and
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triggered multiple times over the course
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of 3 hours. It was also detected by the
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burst alert telescope on NASA's swift
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space telescope, the Russian Kronos
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instrument on NASA's wind mission, the
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gammaray and neutron spectrometer on the
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psyche spacecraft. That's the NASA
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mission currently on its way to the
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asteroid 16 psyche and by Japan's
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monitor of all sky x-ray image
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instrument aboard the international
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space station. The thing is this burst
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went on for so long that no high energy
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monitor in space was equipped to fully
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observe it and so it took the combined
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power of instruments on multiple
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spacecraft to better understand the
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event. The Whitefield X-ray telescope on
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China's Einstein probe also detected the
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burst in X-rays and showed that a signal
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was already present the previous day.
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The first precise location came early
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July 3rd when Swift's X-ray telescope
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imaged the burst in the constellation
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Scootum. That's near the crowded dusty
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plane of our Milky Way galaxy. Now given
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this location and the day earlier X-ray
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detection, astronomers initially
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wondered whether this might be a
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different type of outburst from
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somewhere within our own Milky Way
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galaxy. But images from some of the
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largest telescopes on Earth, including
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those at the KEK and Gemini
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Observatories in Hawaii and the European
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Southern Observatory's VT or Very Large
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Telescope in Chile, indicated that there
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was a galaxy at those coordinates. And
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so astronomers turn to NASA's Hubble
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Space Telescope for a clearer view.
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Andrew Lean from Redbound University in
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the Netherlands says it definitely is
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another galaxy, proving that it was a
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distant and powerful explosion, but he
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admits it was a very strange looking
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one. He says the Hubble data is a bit
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ambiguous. It shows either two galaxies
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merging or one galaxy with a dark band
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of dust splitting the core into two
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pieces. And more recent images captured
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by NASA's web space telescope strongly
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support Leven's interpretation. The web
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observations clearly show the gammaray
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burst shining through this dust lane
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spilling across the galaxy. In late
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August, astronomers using web and the
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very large telescope to determine the
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galaxy's distance and other properties
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concluded that the burst was remarkably
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powerful, erupting with the equivalent
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energy emitted by a thousand suns
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shining for 10 billion years. Amazingly,
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this galaxy so far away that light from
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this explosion began racing outward some
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8 billion years ago, long before our sun
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and solar system had even begun to form.
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A comprehensive study of the X-ray light
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following the main burst used
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observations from Swift, NASA's Chandra
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X-ray Observatory and the AY's Newar
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Nuclear Spectroscopic Telescope Array
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mission. The Swift and Newar data
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revealed rapid flares occurring up to 2
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days after the burst discovery. The
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continued accretion of matter by the
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black hole powered an outflow that
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produced these flares. But the process
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continued for far longer than possible
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in standard gamay burst models. The late
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X-ray flares showed that the blast power
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source simply refused to shut off which
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means the black hole kept feeding for at
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least a few days after the initial
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eruption. A firmian swift data indicate
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a typical if unusually long gammaray
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burst. But spectroscopic web
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observations didn't find a supernova
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explosion, which typically follows a
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stellar collapse gammaray burst,
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although it may have been obscured by
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its dust and distance. The Einstein
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probe saw X-rays a day before the burst,
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while New star tracked the X-ray flares
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up to 2 days after it, but neither was
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typical for gammaray bursts. In
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addition, a detailed study shows that
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the host galaxy appears to be very
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different from the typically small
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galaxies that host most stellar collapse
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gammaray bursts. It turns out this
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galaxy surprisingly large with more than
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twice the mass of our own Milky Way.
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Now, in both the two scenarios we've
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discussed here, the black hole should
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have consumed the star in about a day.
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The first involves an intermediate mass
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black hole, one with a few thousand
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solar masses and an event horizon a few
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times larger than the Earth. As a star
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wanders too close, it becomes stretched,
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spaghettified, if you will, along its
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orbit by gravitational forces from the
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black hole and is then rapidly consumed.
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This describes what astronomers call a
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tidal disruption event, but one caused
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by a rarely observed middleweight black
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hole with a mass much greater than those
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born in stellar collapses and much
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smaller than the behemoth super massive
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black holes found at the centers of
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galaxies. Right now, the Gammaray team
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are favoring a different scenario
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because if this burst is like the
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others, the black holes mass must be
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more similar to that of our sun. Their
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model envisions a black hole with about
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three solar masses with an event horizon
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just 18 km across orbiting and then
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merging with a companion star. The star
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would be of similar mass to the black
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hole but much smaller than the sun.
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That's because its hydrogen atmosphere
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has already been mostly stripped away
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leaving just a dense helium core forming
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an object which astronomers call a
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helium star. Now in both cases, matter
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from the star first flows towards the
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black hole, then collects into a vast
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accretion disc from which material makes
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its final plunge into the black hole. At
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some point in this process, the system
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begins to shine bright in X-rays. Then,
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as the black hole rapidly consumes the
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stars matter, gammaray jets are blasted
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outwards. But notably, the helium star
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merger model makes a unique prediction.
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Once the black hole is totally immersed
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within the main body of the star,
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feasting on it from the inside, if you
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will, the energy it releases explodes
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the star and powers a supernova.
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Unfortunately, this explosion occurs
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behind enormous clouds of dust and gas,
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meaning even the power of the web space
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telescope wouldn't be enough to see the
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expected supernova.
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While the smoking gun evidence to
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explain exactly what happened on July
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the 2nd will have to wait for future
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events, GB250702b
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has already provided new insights into
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what is now the longest gammaray burst
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ever seen.
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This is spaceime still to come.
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Astronomers have for the first time
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detected the elements chlorine and
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potassium in a supernova remnant. And
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the International Space Station's been
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forced to put out the fully occupied
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sign for the first time with all eight
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of its docking ports now in use. All
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that and more still to come on Spaceime.
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Astronomers have for the first time ever
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detected the elements chlorine and
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potassium in a supernova remnant. The
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discovery reported in the journal Nature
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Astronomy was made using Chrysom, the
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X-ray imaging and spectroscopic mission
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spacecraft. Chrysen observed the
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elements in the supernova remnant Casia
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A, which is the remains of a star that
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exploded some 340 years ago. This
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expanding cloud of debris is located
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some 11,000 lighty years away in the
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northern constellation Cassiopia and is
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now some 10 lighty years across. Other
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than hydrogen and helium which were
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produced in the big bang 13.8 billion
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years ago, all the elements in our
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universe are manufactured in stars
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either during their lives or when they
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die. This includes the iron in your
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blood, the calcium in your bones. Heat
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and pressure fuse lighter elements like
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carbon and oxygen into progressively
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heavier ones like neon and ion, creating
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onion-like layers of materials inside
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stars. But nuclear reactions also take
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place during explosive events like
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supernova, which occur when a star runs
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out of fuel and collapses and explodes.
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Elemental abundances and different
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locations in a stellar wreckage can tell
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astronomers a lot about the progenitor
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star and its explosion, even after
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hundreds or thousands of years. Some
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elements like oxygen, carbon, and neon
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are more common than others and are
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therefore easier to detect and trace
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back to a particular part of a star's
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life. But other elements like chlorine
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and potassium are far more elusive.
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Since scientists have less data about
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them, it's more difficult to model where
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in the star they formed. But these rarer
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elements still play important roles in
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life on Earth. Potassium, for example,
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helps cells and muscles function, and so
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astronomers are interested in tracing
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its cosmic origins. This study's lead
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author, Tashiki Sato from Menai
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University in Tokyo says the discovery
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helps illustrate how the deaths of stars
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and life on Earth are fundamentally
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intertwined.
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As Carl Sean once said, we are all
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stardust. Now, thanks to Chrysom,
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astronomers have a better idea of when
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and how stars might make crucial yet
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harder to find elements. The roughly
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circular Cassia supernova remnant has a
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super dense neutron star at its center,
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the remains of the progenitor stars
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original core. Astronomers using NASA's
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Changer X-ray observatory had previously
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identified signatures for iron, silicon,
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sulfur, and other elements within
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Cassiopia. In the hunt for other
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elements, the authors used Chrysom to
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look at the remnant in December of 2023,
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and they were able to pick out the
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signatures for chlorine potassium,
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determining that the remnant contains
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much higher ratios than expected. They
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also detected a possible indication of
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phosphorus, which had previously already
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been discovered in Cassopia A through
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infrared observations. The study's
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authors think stellar activity could
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have disrupted the layers of nuclear
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fusion inside the star before it
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exploded. That kind of upheaval may have
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led to persistent large-scale churning
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of material inside the star that created
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the sorts of conditions where chlorine
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potassium formed in abundance. The
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authors also combined their crisis
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observations with those from the Chandra
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Earth orbiting X-ray telescope, showing
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that the elements were concentrated in
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the southeastern and northern parts of
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the remnant. This lopsided distribution
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may mean the star itself had undergone
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asymmetries before it exploded.
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Something that the Chandra data had
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previously suggested. The authors had
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always suspected that a key part might
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be asymmetry. And now they have more
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evidence to support that hypothesis. But
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there's still a lot they don't
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understand about how stars explode and
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how they distribute all their elements
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across the cosmos. Being able to make
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measurements with good statistical
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precision of these rarer elements allows
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astronomers to develop a better
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understanding of the nuclear fusion
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process going on inside stars before and
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during their supernova explosions and
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spacecraft like Chrysom helps to
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accelerate that understanding. This
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report from NASA TV.
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>> Krism is our newest X-ray telescope in
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space. It's a Jackson NASA collaborative
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mission with ISSA participation and will
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revolutionize X-ray observations of the
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universe.
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It does this with a one-of-a-kind sensor
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that captures data with 36 super cooled
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pixels.
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Yes, you heard that right. This
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groundbreaking detector isn't measured
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in megapixels. It's a 6x6 grid of 36
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pixels. But they're unlike any others.
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Although this detector called Resolve
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can create lowresolution X-ray images,
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that is not what makes it unique. Each
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pixel in Resolve is a microc
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calorimeter, so it can measure tiny
16:05
amounts of heat. A six-stage system
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cools it to 50 ml or a fraction of a
16:12
degree above absolute zero. This extreme
16:15
low temperature allows Resolve to
16:17
measure how much a pixel warms when it
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absorbs a single X-ray and therefore
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measure the energy of that one particle
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of light. It's basically a precise way
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of measuring the X-ray's color.
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As a result, Krism can create the most
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detailed X-ray spectrum ever for distant
16:37
objects. This spectrum can give a great
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deal of useful information like
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temperature, what elements are present
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and in what quantities, and how fast an
16:47
object is moving towards or away from
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us, even if we can only see it as a dot
16:51
in the sky too distant to resolve
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details.
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This would be a revolutionary
16:57
achievement for a detector with a single
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pixel, but Resolve has 36. This allows
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Chrysom to observe extended objects that
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aren't point source dots and create
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spectrum maps of their different regions
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that can reveal speed and temperature
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differences in extremely hot gases.
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Using that information, scientists can
17:18
determine how nebula and galaxy clusters
17:21
have evolved and interacted over time.
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The resolve detector was invented and
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built at NASA's Gddard Space Flight
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Center. The detector success in Crism
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will enable Goddard to further the
17:34
design and follow up with X-ray microc
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calorimeters with hundreds or even
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thousands of pixels.
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So while it may not sound as impressive
17:44
as 4K or 50 megapixels, the resolve
17:47
detector on Chrism will be
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revolutionizing our understanding of the
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large scale high energy universe. And
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that's pretty amazing for a mere three
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dozen pixels. This is spacetime. Still
18:00
to come, the International Space Station
18:02
puts out the full up sign with no spare
18:04
parking spaces available. And later in
18:06
the science report, a new study claims
18:09
flavoroids may help improve insulin
18:11
resistance. All that and more still to
18:13
come on Spaceime.
18:31
For the first time in its history, the
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International Space Station is fully
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occupied with all eight of its docking
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ports now in use. The houseful sign went
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up following the redocking of the
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Northrrook Grumman Signis cargo ship
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under the Earth-facing port of the Unity
18:45
module. The orbiting outpost is
18:47
currently playing host to a pair of
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SpaceX Dragon spacecraft, the Signis
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cargo ship we just mentioned, Jax's
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HTVX1
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cargo ship, two Roscosmos Soyuse
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capsules, and two Roscosmos Progress
19:00
cargo ships. The Signis is flying
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Northrup Grman's 23rd commercial
19:04
resupply mission for NASA and was
19:06
repositioned using the station's Canada
19:08
arm 2 robotic arm. NASA Northrup Grman
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and Ros Cosmos jointly planned the move
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to clear the way for the arrival of the
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soy MS28 spacecraft late last month and
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its new threeperson crew. The signis is
19:21
expected to remain docked until March
19:23
when it will depart loaded with up to
19:25
11,000 lbs of trash and excess gear and
19:27
then re-enter Earth's atmosphere where
19:29
it will burn up. Meanwhile, the 10
19:31
member expedition 7374 crew are about to
19:35
drop down to seven with the scheduled
19:37
departure of the Soyuse MS-27 spacecraft
19:39
and its threeperson crew slated to
19:42
undock from the PAL module and return to
19:44
Earth landing in Kazakhstan.
19:47
This is spaceime
20:04
And time now to take another brief look
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at some of the other stories making news
20:07
in science this week with the science
20:09
report. A new study claims flavoronoids,
20:12
chemicals found in dark colored fruits,
20:15
orange, citrus tea, white wine, and dark
20:17
chocolate may help improve insulin
20:19
resistance. Previous research has linked
20:22
flavonoid intake with benefits for
20:24
cancer and blood pressure. Now, a report
20:26
in the journal plus one examined data
20:29
from Australian health and nutrition
20:30
surveys showing a link between the
20:33
intake of these foods and lower insulin
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resistance, a condition that can lead to
20:37
type 2 diabetes and other metabolic
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events. Now, this type of study can't
20:42
prove flavoronoids are the reason for
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the link, but the authors say their lab
20:46
tests were able to show evidence of
20:48
flavoronoids affecting insulin
20:50
resistance in cells.
20:53
The Israeli Defense Forces banned
20:55
Chinese vehicles from their bases and
20:57
production facilities, issuing blanket
20:59
orders that any military personnel or
21:01
civilian employees who own Chinese-made
21:03
cars must park them well away from
21:05
bases. The new IDF regulations are based
21:08
on security concerns about data leaks
21:11
from built-in cameras, GPS technology,
21:13
and other sensors which are fitted to
21:15
these vehicles and which can be remotely
21:17
controlled and monitored from China. The
21:19
fear is images, audio, or other data
21:21
collected by these devices is being sent
21:24
back to China and then handed over to
21:26
Chinese intelligence agencies. Earlier
21:29
this year, the United Kingdom imposed a
21:31
similar ban on parking electric vehicles
21:33
built with Chinese manufactured parts
21:35
near British military bases because of
21:37
their own espionage fears. Concerns were
21:40
also recently raised in Australia about
21:42
Chinese manufactured solar panels,
21:44
batteries, and inverters, which are
21:46
equipped with unexplained additional
21:47
communications technology, allowing
21:49
Beijing to remotely control them and
21:51
change their settings or turn them off
21:54
without any local approval. And concerns
21:56
about Chinese spying don't end there. In
21:59
2023, the Australian government began
22:02
removing cameras made by Chinese
22:03
companies from government facilities,
22:05
also on the grounds of security.
22:08
A new study suggests that over the past
22:11
50 years, top hit songs have grown to
22:13
become simpler, more negative, and to
22:15
contain more stress related words. The
22:18
finding published in the journal
22:20
Scientific Reports analyze song lyrics
22:22
from the Billboard Hot 100 charts
22:24
between 1973 and 2023. Now, that's some
22:28
2,186
22:30
songs and have found that these changes
22:32
in the lyrics coincided with increasing
22:34
rates of depression and anxiety and also
22:37
with increased levels of negativity in
22:39
the news media and literature. The
22:41
authors also looked at major events and
22:43
they found that the Islamic terrorist
22:45
attacks of September the 11, 2001 and
22:48
the beginning of the CO 19 pandemic in
22:50
2019 were associated with lyrics
22:52
becoming more complex and positive and
22:54
containing fewer stress words, which the
22:56
authors say might signify some form of
22:59
escapism during stressful periods.
23:02
After just a week, it's already clear
23:05
that kids across Australia are easily
23:07
getting around the federal government's
23:09
social media ban for under 16s. The ban,
23:12
which affects some 2 million children,
23:14
was designed to protect them from cyber
23:16
bullying and inappropriate material
23:17
online. But it was hardly selective in
23:20
nature, not including gaming chat rooms
23:22
or left-wing social media platforms like
23:24
Blue Sky. But as forecast, kids are
23:27
fighting back. Kids are easily getting
23:29
around the restrictions by simply
23:31
switching to a range of other platforms
23:33
like Lemonade, Yelope, WhatsApp, and
23:35
Coverstar, or by simply scanning an
23:37
older friend's face, by using VPNs, or
23:40
by using their parents' social media
23:42
accounts. And the age verification
23:45
technology itself has also turned out to
23:47
be fairly poor with many under
23:49
16year-olds being judged as over 16 by
23:51
the software. Technology editor Alex
23:54
Harov Royo from Tech Advice Start Life
23:56
says all of these workarounds were
23:58
always going to happen.
23:59
>> Well, I mean that was already known
24:01
before the ban came into place. There
24:02
were stories of teenagers finding out
24:04
how. as Tohea Field on X who's a
24:07
commentator and was showing lots of
24:09
information about voting and how to vote
24:11
your preferences in the last federal
24:13
election in Australia. He said look
24:14
parents have an obligation to show and
24:16
teach their children because if get
24:17
around the social media banned and they
24:19
can't talk to their parents because
24:20
somebody has subjected them to online
24:22
harm which honestly we should teach the
24:24
children how to deal with if they've
24:25
been subjected to something and well
24:27
they can't talk to the teachers or the
24:28
government about it because it's against
24:29
the law. The only people they have left
24:30
they can trust are their parents. If the
24:32
children know how to get online safely
24:34
and they can talk to their parents about
24:35
it, we have some trust there. Then not
24:37
worried that your kids are going to be
24:38
doing this thing behind your back, which
24:40
is what the government rules have
24:41
created this this reality. So, um, yeah,
24:44
week one, it's chaos already. And of
24:46
course, Albo, our prime minister, has
24:48
said it's the finest thing he's done.
24:49
All throughout history, I've seen this
24:50
on X under Elon Musk and other people
24:52
posting the same thing, but the people
24:53
trying to censor speech are never the
24:55
good guys. And that's really what it
24:58
comes down to.
24:58
>> Now, you're a multiple award winner.
25:00
You've won in creative writing and uh
25:01
this time you've won for controversy.
25:03
>> Ah yes. Well, there's the consensus
25:05
group awards. They've been giving awards
25:06
for over 20 years mainly to companies
25:08
for their innovations in software,
25:11
agricultural technology, medical
25:12
technology, hardware. It's a business
25:14
awards, but they also have an IT writers
25:16
award which you know going for just
25:18
about as long. Well, it's the most
25:20
controversial writer award, and it's an
25:22
article I wrote about Telstra and their
25:24
$10 a month discount, which removed a
25:26
Wi-Fi 7 router that cost several hundred
25:28
to buy if you bought it separately. It
25:30
removes the 4G 5G SIM card backup in
25:33
case your wide connection goes down. If
25:35
you were to have one of those from
25:36
Telstra, it would cost you a lot more
25:38
than $10 a month. You also miss out on
25:39
the AI fix for any Wi-Fi problems that
25:41
you have. And really, the this discount
25:43
makes it easy for Telstra not to serve
25:45
you as a customer properly. and all for
25:47
you to save whopping 32.9 a day. So I
25:50
just said this was a terrible discount
25:51
and it was Telster was playing a joke on
25:54
all of us to offer this and their PR
25:55
people said oh it's competitive with the
25:57
market. I said well it's still bad and
25:59
here I am a few months later winning an
26:01
award for pointing that out and I did
26:03
tell Telster about it but I've heard
26:04
nothing back.
26:05
>> That's Alex Harro from tick advice.life.
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