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How To Lighten Your Mental Load Before The End Of The Year · Two Broke Chicks

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  Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gaddigal Land Always was, always
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  Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land. Hey cheeks, I'm sal and I'm
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  Speaker 1: out And this is two Broke Chicks to show that
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  Speaker 1: shares life lessons and tips to make you rich in life.
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  Speaker 2: And today we are joined by one of our best
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  Speaker 2: friends and the host of.
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  Speaker 3: The Psychology Funny podcast, Jammus Beg.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome back, guys. My voice is cooked. I hadn't really
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  Speaker 4: realized how bad it was. It's why I jump onto mic.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you for you still sound so sultry. You always
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  Speaker 5: have such lovely dulcet tones.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 4: I'm that episode of Friends where Phoebe gets the yeah
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  Speaker 4: and she's like, smelly care I love it.
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  Speaker 2: Well. Today we've got you on one because we love you.
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  Speaker 4: But we're also going to.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about how to lighten your mental load. And we
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  Speaker 2: got a lot of questions sent.
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  Speaker 5: In by the Chicks.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of the questions that we'll be asking you
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  Speaker 2: today are inspired by the dilemmas that they sent in.
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  Speaker 2: But before we get into it, what's your life lesson
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  Speaker 2: of the week.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I've got a few, as always, but I'll stick
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  Speaker 4: with one. My life lesson of the week. Related to
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  Speaker 4: my voice is do not put you know, multiple important
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  Speaker 4: events in a one week period, being like yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: then I can just get through them. It's going to
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  Speaker 4: be so exciting. Just space the amount, space them ount
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  Speaker 4: space out the big events. Say no to some things
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  Speaker 4: because I am paying the cost right now. I do
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  Speaker 4: it all the time. Remember last year when I was like,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to do I went away for two months
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  Speaker 4: and I was like, and I'm going to do all
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  Speaker 4: my episodes before I leave. Why did I do that?
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  Speaker 4: There was the dumbest decision, and then of course I
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  Speaker 4: got sick for like the first week.
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  Speaker 1: Of my own. Like, I get that approach, but I
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  Speaker 1: think it's a good life lesson to be like, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, you are actually better off spacing it out.
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  Speaker 2: Slow down, girls, and say no, yes, that's a general
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  Speaker 2: good rule of thumb.
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  Speaker 5: What's your life lesson?
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  Speaker 4: Now?
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  Speaker 1: The life lesson is to not forget about renewing your license.
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  Speaker 5: I want to preface this with no one is allowed
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  Speaker 5: to yell at me.
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  Speaker 6: I know it was naughty, and it was only by.
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  Speaker 4: Like two dates.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm driving into the office and I'm like blasting
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  Speaker 1: Pink Pony Club and then there's a police behind me,
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  Speaker 1: but like, I don't care because I'm not doing anything wrong.
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  Speaker 6: And then the lights go on behind me, and I
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  Speaker 6: was like, why am I getting pulled over?
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  Speaker 5: And so I pull over.
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  Speaker 6: And as I'm pulling over, I'm like thinking.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, what could it be? And then I'm like,
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  Speaker 5: oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: And I've thought about the date and my license has
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  Speaker 1: expired by two days, my two days, and I was
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  Speaker 1: like oh. And then he was like, oh, can I
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  Speaker 1: get your license? And I was like, yeah, sure, and
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  Speaker 1: I just keep my license on my phone. So I
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  Speaker 1: pull it up and I pull it up and I
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  Speaker 1: show him as in like there's nothing wrong with it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like where as on the screen in a big red
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  Speaker 1: banner it's as renew license.
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  Speaker 6: And I'm just like, here you go. And he's like cool,
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  Speaker 6: reading out the number and he doesn't say anything, and
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, oh my god, I think I've gotten away.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: And then he goes, now your license has come up,
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  Speaker 1: has expired. And this is my moment, this is my
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  Speaker 1: Oscar Worthy moment that I go what And I whip
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  Speaker 1: my phone back up and look and I go, shit.
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  Speaker 6: I know it's expired. I was like fuck, oh my god.
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  Speaker 6: And I look at him and we're like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 6: can I just renew it now?
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  Speaker 1: And he goes, yeah, if you can just renew that
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  Speaker 1: now for me, and it's fine, and then anyways, like
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go check everything, and so then I'm
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  Speaker 1: renewing it with like lightning speed, and I'm going.
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  Speaker 5: Sorry, sorry, and he's like, it's okay, just do it now.
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  Speaker 6: And then he comes back and he's like.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I'm gonna give you a caution, but if I
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  Speaker 1: was going to give you a fine, this is how
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  Speaker 1: much it would be, and it was going to be
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  Speaker 1: six hundred and eighty two dollars.
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  Speaker 6: Six hundred and eighty two dollars.
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  Speaker 5: So my life lesson of the week is to check when.
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  Speaker 1: Your license is expiring and renew it and don't be
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  Speaker 1: a naughty little worm like me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, put it in your calendar the next time you
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  Speaker 2: pay your registration or renew your license. Put it in
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  Speaker 2: your calendar for a week, for a week before it's due.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. So yeah, that was my life lesson. Renew your lescense,
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  Speaker 5: be nice to that, and.
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  Speaker 2: Be nice, be nice to the people around you. My
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  Speaker 2: life lesson of the week I'm going to keep it
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  Speaker 2: brief because I want to jump into the episode, but
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  Speaker 2: it kind of relates to the topic of today's episode,
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  Speaker 2: and it's to ask for help when you need it.
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  Speaker 2: Last week, we were preparing for the live show, our
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  Speaker 2: very first live show. We you know, we're obviously preparing
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  Speaker 2: the show packing seven hundred goodie bags. You know, we
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  Speaker 2: worked extremely hard that week, but I don't think any
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  Speaker 2: of it would have been possible without all of the
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  Speaker 2: people who helped us, including you, Jem, and I think
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the time, you know, where we don't
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  Speaker 2: want to burden anyone, we don't want to bother anyone,
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  Speaker 2: or we think that we can just do it all ourselves,
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  Speaker 2: and sometimes we feel shame reaching out and asking for help.
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  Speaker 2: I know I definitely do, and I think this week
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  Speaker 2: both Alex and I really like just let our guard down,
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  Speaker 2: reached out to everybody that we could and we're like,
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  Speaker 2: can you please help, and recruited a lot of our
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  Speaker 2: friends and family, and we couldn't have done it without them.
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  Speaker 2: And I think even just having people by your side
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  Speaker 2: who believe in you and believe in the cause, because
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  Speaker 2: I think that, you know, we were so stressed about
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  Speaker 2: the show and we just wanted it to go amazing
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  Speaker 2: for you chicks, and everybody around us was like, what
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  Speaker 2: are you talking about?
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  Speaker 5: This is gonna be.
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  Speaker 2: Amazing, Like these goodie bags are like the best things
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  Speaker 2: we've ever seen. The show looks hilarious, like you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: kill it. So they're giving us like moral support as
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  Speaker 2: well as physical help like packing goodie bags or building
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  Speaker 2: the couch for the stage, all of these things. And
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  Speaker 2: I think it's just a good reminder that I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to remember the next time that I'm feeling stressed and
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  Speaker 2: trying to do everything myself that reach out for help.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that if people don't have the capacity
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  Speaker 2: to help you, that you know, they'll.
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  Speaker 5: Say I can't do it this time.
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  Speaker 2: That's okay, and that's totally fine as well. But I
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  Speaker 2: think a lot of the time people don't know that
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  Speaker 2: you need help until you ask for it. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's my life lesson of thanks.
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  Speaker 5: All right, let's get into it.
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  Speaker 1: So, for anyone who isn't familiar with you and your podcast,
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  Speaker 1: can you please give us a little backstory on the
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  Speaker 1: psychology of your twenties.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like it's in the name right. Basically,
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  Speaker 4: we talk about the biggest moments, transitions, events, situations of
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  Speaker 4: your twenties and we apply the science and the psychology
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  Speaker 4: to them. So if you're going through a breakup, I
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  Speaker 4: mean like, why does this suck so much? Like we'll
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  Speaker 4: have an episode that's like here is exactly why according
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  Speaker 4: to human psychology, or why do I feel so lost
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  Speaker 4: after university? Here is why it's normal. It's natural. Anything
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  Speaker 4: that you can think of that you're going through in
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  Speaker 4: your twenty there is a really special explanation. But also
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  Speaker 4: we talk about why it is so common, and especially
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  Speaker 4: that you're not alone because.
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  Speaker 6: You've got a background in psychology, right.
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  Speaker 4: I got a double specialization maybe and I used to
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  Speaker 4: work in link the mental health space for it for
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  Speaker 4: a while.
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  Speaker 1: As we mentioned, we did put an Instagram story up
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  Speaker 1: and ask the chicks to send in their questions and
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  Speaker 1: dilemmas for you, and a lot of people were asking
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  Speaker 1: questions about how to ask for help and also how
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  Speaker 1: to reach out to somebody if you think that they
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  Speaker 1: need help. So let's start with how can you reach
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  Speaker 1: out to somebody and ask for help if you're struggling.
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  Speaker 4: See, I find it's so interesting because that was your
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  Speaker 4: life lesson right, you guys will know better than anyone.
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  Speaker 4: It's really really difficult because when we ask for help,
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  Speaker 4: I think we also have this sense of shame that
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  Speaker 4: we're not able to do it all ourselves. And as
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  Speaker 4: people who are often you know, I know you too,
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  Speaker 4: And I'm sure a lot of your audience are very
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  Speaker 4: hyperindependent women who are very capable, very able to step
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  Speaker 4: up for themselves. It feels like a sign of and
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  Speaker 4: I don't like the word weakness, but in our minds,
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  Speaker 4: it feels like a sign of weakness or failure to
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  Speaker 4: ask or help. So I like to ask people for
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  Speaker 4: specific things that I need done rather than just being like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: like I just need help. I'm stranded to take things
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  Speaker 4: off my plate right Like. I had a pretty hard
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  Speaker 4: and mental health time recently and it was just being like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: do you want to just come over and like watch
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  Speaker 4: a movie. Think about like what you really need taking
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  Speaker 4: off your plate or added to your plate? Is it
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  Speaker 4: like a physical task that you need done? Is it
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  Speaker 4: something that is it like a mental task? Like can
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  Speaker 4: you figure out how to do this? Can you figure
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  Speaker 4: out this system for me? Is it that you just
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  Speaker 4: need social support? Try and think about what it is
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  Speaker 4: that you would benefit most from, and start by asking
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  Speaker 4: someone who's very trusted. You know. It was a mistake
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  Speaker 4: I made where I was like, as much as our
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  Speaker 4: friends are amazing, sometimes you can't expect people who aren't
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  Speaker 4: don't know you and honors close to you to give
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  Speaker 4: you the kind of support that you want, and then
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  Speaker 4: you end up disappointed. So start small. I would say, like,
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  Speaker 4: start with the people, right. The worst thing is when
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  Speaker 4: you're like, oh please, can I You're kind of like
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  Speaker 4: muttering yourselfing like I need help, and then like a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of people turn away, and it's like, well, that's
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  Speaker 4: not going to happen with the people who really care
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  Speaker 4: about family friends.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have any tips on how you can offload
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  Speaker 1: to people around you without like trauma dumping on them.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a hard one, right.
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  Speaker 1: It is, because sometimes like just to even open up
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  Speaker 1: to someone, you just want to get it all out,
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  Speaker 1: but you don't want to put too much on.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. It's kind of the thing that I find difficult
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  Speaker 4: about that is that often when you're in the state
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  Speaker 4: of just needing to trauma dump, we're not great. It's
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  Speaker 4: sensing how someone else is doing and I know that
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people suggest this and everyone's like it
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  Speaker 4: sounds so clinical and it sounds so artificial. Genuinely just
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  Speaker 4: ask them and be like, hey, I was like going
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  Speaker 4: through some really heavy stuff. Can you just come and
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  Speaker 4: sit with me and like can we discuss it? And
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  Speaker 4: just being like, oh, this might be a little bit heavy.
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  Speaker 4: Tell me if you're up for it or not before
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  Speaker 4: they get there. That's something that I actually did because
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  Speaker 4: I had a friend who was at the same time
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  Speaker 4: as me, like going through rough stuff, and she was like, Oh,
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I don't think I can talk about it.
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  Speaker 4: You have to respect that other people also know what's
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  Speaker 4: best for them as well sometimes, and so as much
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  Speaker 4: as we try and anticipate what's going to be best
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  Speaker 4: for them and what's not going to harm them, sometimes
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  Speaker 4: you just have to trust that they know the answer
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  Speaker 4: for themselves, and if they're uncomfortable, if they're unhappy with
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  Speaker 4: what's happening, they can stand up for themselves and they
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  Speaker 4: can walk away or find.
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  Speaker 5: An excuse they're not able to take.
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  Speaker 4: It on, and just respect that when they give you
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  Speaker 4: that kind of sign.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that's also a good thing to
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  Speaker 1: opening that conversation because sometimes if someone is also in
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  Speaker 1: the trenches, you can kind of be in there together,
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  Speaker 1: like yeah, and I were like, oh, kind of in
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  Speaker 1: the trenches recently, and we're both like and like Rather
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  Speaker 1: than with it, like the three of us like dealing
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  Speaker 1: with what we were dealing with it on our own,
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  Speaker 1: we spent time together and were like this fucking sacks it.
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  Speaker 5: And like that makes you feel better.
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  Speaker 4: That was the best.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's not you're not there to help, You're just
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  Speaker 1: there to be like commiseration in community.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, that's literally what we did one night, like a
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  Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago, like three weeks ago out Like
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  Speaker 4: I was like, all right, come over to my house.
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  Speaker 4: I've got some wine and I've got some cheese at yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and we're going to just sit here and play and play,
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  Speaker 4: drink wine, drink wine, cry And it was Honestly, I
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  Speaker 4: remember leaving that and being like, Wow, that's really what
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  Speaker 4: I needed, because sometimes actually what you need most is
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  Speaker 4: to not be isolated.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, how do you reach out to somebody who you
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  Speaker 2: think could be struggling but they haven't reached out for help.
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  Speaker 4: Or don't expect them to ever do it? Like, don't
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  Speaker 4: expect them to reach out for help, because it can
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  Speaker 4: be very, very difficult. Also, sometimes you're just like I
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to go on my phone. I don't
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  Speaker 4: want to talk to anyone. I don't I'm not even
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  Speaker 4: thinking about asking for help. But at a certain stage
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  Speaker 4: I did have a friend actually be like, oh, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I was just waiting till you reached out to me.
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  Speaker 4: And I really appreciate where she's coming from and love
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  Speaker 4: her to bits, So this isn't like a criticism of her,
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  Speaker 4: but it was a bit like why is that my job?
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  Speaker 4: Like why is that my job? At this point? Like,
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  Speaker 4: if you're aware that this is going on sometimes and
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  Speaker 4: it is the selfish, it can feel selfish. But sometimes
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  Speaker 4: you're like, I don't want to be the one who
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  Speaker 4: has to now navigate asking and putting myself on the
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  Speaker 4: line and making plans. So if you know that your
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  Speaker 4: friend is going through a rough time, think about the
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  Speaker 4: support that you would most need. Now. It doesn't have
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  Speaker 4: to be an explicit you're going through a rough time.
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  Speaker 4: I want to talk to you about that rough time.
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  Speaker 4: It can be like what you did where it was
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  Speaker 4: just like, oh, come over and let's just like have
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  Speaker 4: a drink and we don't even have to talk about it.
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  Speaker 4: We can just sit or I had a friend recently
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  Speaker 4: when I was going through this who was like, every
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  Speaker 4: morning she's like, hey, you're just thinking of you, just
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  Speaker 4: thinking of you, leaving the door open. I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: just thinking of you, and oh, like would you like
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  Speaker 4: me to drop over something today? Like would you like
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  Speaker 4: me to come over today? Leaving that kind of invitation
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  Speaker 4: space open. I know it can feel really awkward to
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  Speaker 4: be like.
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  Speaker 5: Or even just to know that you're thinking about them.
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  Speaker 1: I think sometimes people can be worried about overstepping. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: they because one thing that when you are dealing with
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  Speaker 1: a large mental health load is even the idea of
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  Speaker 1: someone coming over and having to host them or talk
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  Speaker 1: about your feelings. That's even more struggle. And I think
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  Speaker 1: your friends can be worried about putting that on you that.
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  Speaker 1: I think even just the little bit of I'm thinking
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  Speaker 1: about you and I'm here if you need it, which
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  Speaker 1: is exactly what you're saying, is a really helpful way
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  Speaker 1: to like navigate those types of situations with friends.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Also, the other thing is like I really got
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  Speaker 4: in my head about was well, I don't really want
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  Speaker 4: to invite someone over and like my house is a
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  Speaker 4: mess and like, oh, I'm going to have to clean up,
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  Speaker 4: but it just takes so much process. So being completely
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  Speaker 4: gentle and completely like no expectations about it, no, what's
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  Speaker 4: the word, like, no responsibility on their behalf. Also just
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  Speaker 4: I know it's gonna feel cringe, You're gonna feel like
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  Speaker 4: you're overstepping. It's better to overstep than to understep. I guess,
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  Speaker 4: like it's better for someone to come out and be like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, wow, they were really, they were really there
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  Speaker 4: for me, then to be like where was where was she?
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  Speaker 4: Where was that? Friends? Like I've never I don't think
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  Speaker 4: I've had someone in a hard time ever say the
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  Speaker 4: wrong thing to me with the right intentions, Like surely
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  Speaker 4: they could have said things better, but in those moments
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  Speaker 4: where it's going, well, you know, you're just emotionally not
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  Speaker 4: doing well, it's really anything that anyone can say like
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  Speaker 4: feels pretty comforting and great to know they're there.
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  Speaker 6: That thing that you said before as well is so true.
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  Speaker 1: But like even in moments that like I've you know,
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  Speaker 1: been in a bit of a I call them like
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  Speaker 1: tired spots because I'm like, I'm just too tired to
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  Speaker 1: deal with it, like whatever that is, it is like
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  Speaker 1: the way that I'm feeling it is like the mental load.
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  Speaker 5: It is like the stress.
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  Speaker 1: That's like my apartment will be really messy and then
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  Speaker 1: you beat yourself up for that. Soal will literally be like,
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  Speaker 1: why didn't I come over and help you clean it?
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  Speaker 1: And like it's not like that's it, Like that's all
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  Speaker 1: you have to do sometimes to help someone that it's
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  Speaker 1: like I'll come over and I'll help you clean your
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: apartment and.
• 15:35
  Speaker 6: She's literally just like yeah, body double all the time.
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: It's the best.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: But I do want to ask a question that we
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: did get a lot from the Chicks, and it's how
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: to know when you need to take action on something
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: that is weighing on your mental health and on your mind,
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: because lots of people were asking how to know when
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: a relationship has run its course, whether it's romantic or friendship,
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: any relationship.
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: Really, here's my rule, So I have I have two rules.
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: I like this.
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: My biggest rule is if I'm thinking about still thinking
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: about something within forty eight hours, I need to say
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: something to that person. And if I'm still thinking about
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: it in ten days, then something I need to take action.
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: So if you know you're sitting there being like, oh
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: my god, I don't know if I want to be
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: with my boyfriend. I kind of want to break up
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: with him. You know, something that he's done has really
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: pissed me off as just a deal breaker within forty
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: eight hours, if you're still ruminating on it, you should
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: say something instead of boundary And then in ten days
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: if you're like, well that wasn't enough, you know they
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: haven't changed or actually it's something deeper. If you're still
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: considering like should I break up with them and it's
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: been that long, then you have to take an action
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: because I just think that's a pretty clear sign that
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: this isn't a passing or fleeting urge. Because so I've
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: heard this thing about women who right before their peers,
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: it's get this intense urge to break up with their partners.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: It's like part of PMS. Yeah, yeah, I was reading
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: about it the other day. There was like an article
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: written about how it's like a really rare PMS symptom.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: Don't make the decision right then, yeah, because that's like
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: something you're gonna regret. But if you have, if it's
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: been sitting and weighing on your mind for that long, like,
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: it's probably not going to change. Your circumstances might change,
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: you might be distracted, but then in three months you're
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: gonna go through the same cycle again, wishing that you
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: had done it three months earlier. Same thing with friendships sometimes,
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: And I think about this in terms of my past relationship.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: I kind of knew that it wasn't gonna work six
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: months in, and then I stayed for another year, yeah,
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: because I you know, and there was periods where it
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: was like a month where I was thinking every day
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: I should break up with him. But then, you know,
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: you move on, holidays come around, and.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: Something, Why was that? Do you know that's so silly
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: of me.
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: Oh, you're just lonely, and you're like, oh, maybe it's
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: just better to just stay with this person. There's my biggest.
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: Tipicy I like those. I think those are good.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: I think that's a really good rule to use in
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: any situation, even if it's with co workers or friendships.
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: Especially.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: I think friendships we can very easily sweep things under
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: the rugs because confrontation in friendship is a lot more
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: awkward than in relationships.
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: For some reason.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: But that's why friendships fall apart because you just don't
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: say anything, and then you build resentment and tension, and
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: you can always tell yeah.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: And I think that's a good way to distinguish whether
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: or not your self sabotaging or if you are truly
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: listening to your gut and giving it that space to
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: know that, no, this is the decision that I want.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: To make, and like, trust yourself.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Another question that we got from a chick was I'm
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: really depressed and seeking help. I just want a glow
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: up overnight. And I wanted to get your thoughts on
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: this because I just thought this was so relatable, like
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: wanting to click your fingers and be like, I just
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: want to fix this.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: Can I fix it?
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: My god? Have I not been in that? I'm sure
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: you both have as well. I've been in that headspace
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: of being like is there a magic pill? Is there
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: like an exercise routine? Is there a diet? Is there
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: like a you know, furniture change, even like what in
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: my life needs to change? Therapy, hypnotherapy. I just think
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: that it's a natural human tendency to want a very quick,
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: instant solution to a problem that's probably a lot deeper
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: and a lot more innate, because of course, we don't
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: want to be in pain, we don't want to be uncomfortable,
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: we don't want to be depressed. What I'll say about
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: the instant glop is that let's just be completely straight.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: It's not going to happen, and maybe that's comforting so
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: that you don't every day wake up expecting for something
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: huge to change. It will be gradual. But the thing
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: about it being gradual is that it will stick, so
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: as you slowly build better habits, but then also better
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: mental hygiene skills. But then additionally have that you know
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: therapeutic safety as well, and maybe you start medication, you
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: get someone you really trust who can speak to you,
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: you go and see a psychiatrist. Like, all of those
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: are little steps up to the glow up platform that
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: you're seeking. Yeah, it takes time.
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: You just said something there that piqued my interest.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: What are mental hygiene tips that you can use to
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: have a glow up? Oh?
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: My god, I love mental hygiene.
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: I've never heard of this.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: Okay, So mental hygiene is basically like you've got physical
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: hygiene right where you like, wash your.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Pits and you mix yep, exactly, my favorite.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: You know you wash your face, you brush your teeth,
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: you wash your hair. You need to do that with
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: your brain as well. Okay, so for example, like you
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: need to I would say journal every now and again.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: I like your biggest anxious thoughts or what you're overthinking about.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: You need to sit down and really think about how
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: you're doing in your life and where you want to
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: be in six months. You need to go and do
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: something that's fulfilling and purposeful. Like, all of those are
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: mental hygiene tips that keep I would say, like I
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: don't like the word clean, but keeps it fresh, keeps
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: your brain feeling fresh, keeps your perspective on life feeling fresh.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: It's a huge thing.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: I think that's like so amazing.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I've never heard that term before, and I feel like
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: that's a very large key, not the key in looking
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: at this. And if your mental load is feeling very heavy,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: maybe you just need to do a load of washing
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: in your.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: Brain, in your brain, in your brain. I don't know,
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: if you guys have like an overflowing laundry bucket in.
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: Your house, shut up your fucking mouth.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's your brain. Sometimes, like I can't deal with
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: this is to throw it on the path throw it
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: on the path. Some of these are clean thoughts that
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: I need to bring back in. Some of these are
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: like absolutely, like.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: I feel like I'm in therapy right now.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Oh my god.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, So for this chick or for anybody who has
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: listened to this and can relate to it, what's one
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: tip that somebody can do today to get started on
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: that journey and begin their mental hygiene.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, to get to get out of this depressive state.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, like, if we just have to pick one thing
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: that'll kick start them on this journey.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: The one thing that I would tell you to do
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: is to start keeping a toada list, toda a toda list.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: So this is yeah, toda like this This was something
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: I found where it's like every day it's not going
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: to get better, but it will get like one percent better,
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: and they'll be like one percent one more moment where
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: you're like, oh, I'm not even focusing on this bad
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: thought or I'm more present. Start keeping a list of
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: those moments and see how they begin to accumulate. Or
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: if you don't want to keep a list, just start
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: noticing them more. So I felt like the day, Yeah,
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: highlights of the day, or just be like, oh, I
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: just felt really good when I was like making dinner
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: and just start like capturing those points in your life
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: where you do feel better and start introducing more of
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: them in So it felt really good when I went
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: for a walk in the morning instead of just like
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: rolling over and watching TV. Maybe I should do that more.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: I love that. That's why we put in the rich
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: in life planners.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: We put the highlight of the day because like that's
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: something that you know, like is not a concept, but
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: every night when my family would sit down for dinner,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: like even if you had the worst day, you had
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: to think of.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: A highlight of the day. Like it was a rule basically, and.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: It does truly make you find like forcing yourself to
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: find something good about that day does relieve it.
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: But I like the tadar list. Yeah, tadar List, that's sexy.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: I have my smile file as well.
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: Yes, I love your small file. Can you explain that too.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: Yes, my smile file is like I have to find,
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: like deliberately try and find things in my day that
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: make me smile and like take photos of it, so
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: like it would just be stupid things like one of
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: my ones from like a couple days ago was like
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: my blueberries. I had this punet of blueberries that when
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: I was in the office and it matched my like
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: denim jacket perfectly, and I was like, that's so cool.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: So it goes on my smile file.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: You need to make like an Instagram account that's like
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: your smile file so I can follow it.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: I post a lot of them on my main but
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: I need to I.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: Blocked you on that side. Maybe I love it.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: I'm so aesthetic, and then I love a smile file.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: People looking to submit things from their smile file, like
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: the whole thing is like a smile file, the whole
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: also maybe like I also get if you want to
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: keep that for yourself too.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: I post them sometimes though.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: We've spoken about this in our office quite often, and
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: it's that kind of end of year burnout that like September, October, November,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: December vibe. We're like, everything just gets a little bit hectic,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: and it gets and the burnout from the year is
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: just so real.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: I think basically everyone we've all spoken.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: To individually and together is all feeling just this weight
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: that You're like, I just want to get to the
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: end of the year. So we'd love to know what
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: tips you have for kind of relieving the burnout. I
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: think at this point it's not necessarily an avoiding situation,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: it's it's a relieving burnout and also managing other people's
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: expectations during this time, whether it's familial friendships, work, Like,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: how can you help relieve burnout at this time of
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: the year.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah. My biggest tip is to have an end date.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: So have like a day where you're like, I stop
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: work on this day, this is my last day of work,
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: and I will be putting my phone down. I will
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: not be accepting further shifts, Like have an end goal
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: in sight. Yes, it just makes it a whole lot easier. Also,
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: say no to fifty percent of things that come through
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: your door, even if it's difficult. You cannot go to
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: every Christmas party, you cannot do every single piece of work,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: you cannot do every last minute Christmas shift or last
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: minute Christmas hangout. Fifty percent of it is a no,
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: and of it can be yes, so that you're being
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: more selective and then have like this is something I
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: still do in my life now. It's like Friday afternoons
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: are like no work solo time where it's like not
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: doing any work. I'm gonna go to the beach. I'm
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: going to go and do something really really fun. Maybe
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: I'll do chores, which is kind of lame, but like
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: it's time just for me to just recenter because I
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: find that on the weekends it's not going to happen.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: And obviously I have the luck of working for myself.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: Well the privilege you've worked very hard, I'm able to
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: do that.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: But yeah, just.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: You're in like a situation where you can.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Like is a privileged situation, but I don't undermine your
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: work that you've made to be able to achieve that.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just it's a great circumstances. But you can
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: do it on a Sunday afternoon. I have a friend
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: who does that. Or it's like phone on D and
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: D after one pm on a Sunday.
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: You're a Saturday morning early, aren't you.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's when I like to get all my shit done.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if I would try to call it sown on
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: a Saturday morning, I've learned.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: I've learned.
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: I think I learned this later the phones are not
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: on me into our.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Friendship that if I called you on a Saturday morning,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't get it and I would get the text
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: back in like the afternoon and you're like, what's up, Well, I.
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: Get the close balls deep in washing.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: So we have one final submission from one of the
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: chicks that, again I think is extremely relatable and something
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: that we actually have spoken with you about previously on
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the show, and it says, I feel like I've lost.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: My spark and I don't know how to be fun anymore.
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: I just feel so angry.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: And someone sent this in which, again I just think
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: many of us can relate to it at some point
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: in time. So what's something that people can do if
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: they do relate to that, to help get their spark back?
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: Oh? And you're right, I relate to that so much.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: I feel like I've lost my spark multiple times. But
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: my formula for getting it back is to move into
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: like a chapter of experimentation and a chapter of newness
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: and novelty, because you kind of have to identify, like
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: where where did my spark get lost? Did it get
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: lost in boredom? Did it get lost in a relationship,
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: did it get lost in fatigue? Did it get lost
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: in anger and resentment? I think that the way out
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: of all of those situations is to provide your brain
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: and even your soul to an extent, to get philosophical
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: with something new, something new, to enjoy, something new, to do,
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: something new, to take on, whether it's like going and
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: doing like a six week seramic course, which you guys know,
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: I love my ceramics course. I've been begging soal to
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: do one. Also really beyond novelty, also try and provide
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: yourself with a bit of rest. I think anger comes
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: from expectation of in this situation, I'm just assuming, like
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: of wanting to do it all, wanting the life that
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: maybe someone else has, feeling angry that you don't have that,
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: angry that you've been let down by someone, Angry that
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: you know other people who you don't think deserve it
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: have it and you don't. So I think, take a
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: break from ruminating on all those negative assumptions and start
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: to pour all that energy back into your own life.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: Make it a deliberate part of your day, a deliberate
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: part of your life. All that negative feeling. And I
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: don't like to say toxicity because I think it is
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: just a natural feeling to sometimes be angry and resentful.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: Take that, pour it into something else. It's actually like
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: this strategy called sublimation, where we take something quite negative
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: and we convert it into a creative endeavor, a positive endeavor,
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: something of that sort. Like that.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I also think one thing that I've seen you do
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: that I feel like I just watch you sparkle. When
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: you do it is like prioritizing your inner child.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: Oh fuck yeah, Like you love.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Your sunny angels and your jelly cats and like it's.
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: Just like you're like the little girl in you.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Like that's when I see you be like really sparkly
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: and giggly and silly.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: How matching mugs?
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, get away you play with fashion as well?
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think like one something you could do
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: is ask your friends of like when when do I sparkle?
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: Like what am I doing?
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Like so like you would yours would be like music
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: for sure, Like that is when you get all sparkling,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: being like a little fan girl with my element. But yeah,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: like whatever, I feel like one thing, if you feel
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: like you've lost your sparkle, like what made you sparkle
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: when you were.
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: Little, is also something that you can do to find it?
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: And asking your friends, Yeah, if you feel lost, if
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: you feel.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Like you can't see that and you can't see how
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: you sparkle. Ask the people around you, because they can
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: see it.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yours is talking about I'm trying to think about yours.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: What do you think? I think when you talk about
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: when you have a sense of justice, fairness, or when
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: you're talking about people you care about.
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, my friends made me sparkle.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, like around people that are that's my
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: spark list.
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: And I think also like for you justice you're really like.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: But I also think like you have a deep passion
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: for like books and film and being able to talk
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: about that and share that with people. You really shine
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: when you're doing that because you like, you want to
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: share that experience with someone else. Yeah, and you want
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: them to have that too. So even that, like all
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: of those things are so simple. One thing that I
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: did want to ask you, Jem, was what's your number
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: one mechanism or tip to deal with anxiety or panic attacks? Oh?
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  Speaker 4: My god, not only one.
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  Speaker 2: If we have to pick one thing that someone can
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  Speaker 2: do one strategy, I know there's lots.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, wait, can I do one for anxiety? One for panic?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, for anxiety. Try and convince yourself that what you're
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  Speaker 4: feeling is excitement. So, for example, every I'm really terrified
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  Speaker 4: of flying, but anytime I get incredibly anxious on a plane,
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, Wow, I'm just really excited by this feeling.
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  Speaker 4: I'm excited by this feeling. This is excitement. I'm excited
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  Speaker 4: about where I'm going. I'm excited about you know, how
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  Speaker 4: brave I'm being. I'm excited by this. If you're anxious
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  Speaker 4: about you know, going to going to a party or
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  Speaker 4: a social situation you don't know anyone, be like, oh,
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: this is an anxiety. This is excitement. And I said
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  Speaker 4: this to you the other day. It's like, when that
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  Speaker 4: anxiety is quite as bubbling at the top, you can
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  Speaker 4: easily take all those feelings and sensations and like turn
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  Speaker 4: it around and throw it back and be like, actually,
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  Speaker 4: this is this. All these sensations are like operating in
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  Speaker 4: the exact same areas of my brain.
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  Speaker 1: That say, does an anxiety and excitement come from the
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  Speaker 1: same part of your brain?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because excitement is basically like alertness. Yeah, when you
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: feel excited, you're basically just alert, and you're alert and
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  Speaker 4: you're like intrigued, And when you're anxious, it happens basically
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  Speaker 4: like within our kind of limbic system, old brain area.
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  Speaker 4: It's the same thing. It's like, okay, I want to
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  Speaker 4: pay attention. I want to be alert. I'm like both
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  Speaker 4: equally inquisitive and like quite you know, highly strung. But
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  Speaker 4: think about like when you know, like you're about to
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: walk into a surprise party, same feeling. My biggest tip
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  Speaker 4: if you are panicking, you're having a panic attack is
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: carry Warheads around with you. You know, the sour candy. Yeah,
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: I love them, extra extreme sour ones. Put one in
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  Speaker 4: your mouth, and immediately your brain is going to be like,
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  Speaker 4: oh my god, wait can we just put that on
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: hold for a second. What the is that? Like that's
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: sour feeling? And your brain is immediately like, okay, let's
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  Speaker 4: just pay all this attention to that. Same with cold showers,
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: same with like basically shocking your system. It was like
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: I was going through a real panicky episode and I
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: always had war Heads in my bag. I love the best.
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  Speaker 1: My face is like just thinking about it, Oh don't
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: my tongues.
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  Speaker 4: She'd be like, I love it. I love it.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's such a good tiar I love that. I
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: put some links to buy some more heads Okay, Well,
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: to wrap up our episode with you, what has been
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: your biggest life lesson on your journey so far.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: Sometimes it's not happening to you, it's happening for you.
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  Speaker 4: Like every time I've been like this was just such
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: a huge disappointment. All this was just like so awful
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  Speaker 4: that this happened to me, It's always made me better
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  Speaker 4: And in like two, three, sometimes five years time, I've
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: looked back and been like, oh wow, I can see
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  Speaker 4: the string between Yes, that moment and this moment all
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: wrapped up into one.
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  Speaker 1: So that's my favorite thing at the moment. It's my
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: hyper fixation on like every string. Yeah, it's like every
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: bad thing that has ever happened to you is also
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: why every good thing has happened to you. I Yeah,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: that's I think I've said it like seventy two times
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  Speaker 1: this month.
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  Speaker 4: I love that so much.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: But for anyone who is struggling with their mental health,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: where are some resources that people can go for help?
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: I always recommend Beyond Blue because I think they just
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: have an amazing list of like where you can find
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: help everywhere. Black Dog Institute also has like some great
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: resources if you're like experiencing just stress right now, call
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: your local mental health crisis sign they are spectacular or
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: they do all days, get you into services that you need,
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: or obviously call life.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: We'll put like links in contacts in the show notes.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: And I also do think like, if you're dealing with something,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: go talk to your GP, yeah, and see if you
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: can potentially chat about like your options there or getting
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: onto a mental health plan and start the conversation. I
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: think making that first appointment is the hardest part, so
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: it's priceless though.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: Also, if you can afford to pay for your GP,
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: I would really recommend it. If you can afford to
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: get like a really good GP who you'll end up
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: seeing for a long time, you should do so. Mental
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: health is something that you struggle with.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us Drop, thanks for
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: having holes chicks.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: We love to be here, and then you do. M
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Ik made for making today's episode two Broke Chicks Happen.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: You buy Chicks, take care of yourself by I guess play.
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  Speaker 4: Bye Jim, Bye
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  Speaker 1: Bye hes past m