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Missing teen Karlie Guse's mom raises questions: 'I just don't understand' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: for a sixteen year old girl missing in Monto County,
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  Speaker 1: east of Yosemite National Park. Cardie Goose was last seen
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  Speaker 1: early Saturday morning in Chalfont, about fourteen miles north of
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  Speaker 1: Bishop What. He says. She doesn't have her cell phone
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  Speaker 1: or any personal belongings with her and may be disoriented.
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  Speaker 1: Police dogs and helicopters have been assisting in the search,
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  Speaker 1: but as of last night they've not been able to
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  Speaker 1: locate her. Carly described to me five seven pounds with
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  Speaker 1: dark blonde hair and blue eyes. Carly absolutely gorgeous. Please
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  Speaker 1: help us now bring Carly home, and being joined by
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  Speaker 1: a very special guest. Carly's mother is with us. With
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  Speaker 1: me is Lindsay. Lindsay Fairly. This is Carly's biological mother
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  Speaker 1: and we have been waiting to speak to her. Also
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  Speaker 1: with me Robin wi Lynskey, Joseph Scott Morgan, Dr Michelle Duprie,
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  Speaker 1: and Dr Brian Russell. But first to Carly's mother, Ms. Fairly,
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  Speaker 1: Please tell us what you know about the evening. You're gorgeous,
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  Speaker 1: young girl. You know I've got a little girl and
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  Speaker 1: a little boy about to turn eleven. You're a little girl,
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  Speaker 1: just a couple of years older than that. Tell me
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  Speaker 1: about the evening your girl mysteriously disappears. The morning I
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  Speaker 1: got a call from my ex husband, Zack, Carly's father. Um,
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  Speaker 1: he informed me that she was gone. Just called me up.
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  Speaker 1: And I didn't have any other answers other than she
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  Speaker 1: was gone. And I said, what do you mean she's gone?
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  Speaker 1: Tell me what led up to this situation. I have
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  Speaker 1: answered that I need answered, questions I need answered, and um,
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  Speaker 1: he said, I don't know, She's just gone. And I said, well,
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  Speaker 1: can you did you call everyone to see if you
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  Speaker 1: found her? Did you you know, UM, make any calls?
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  Speaker 1: Was she was friends? Like? I was asking a million
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  Speaker 1: questions And he's like, I don't know, she's just gone.
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  Speaker 1: She was at a party and she's just gone. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now I find that very unusual to just call and
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  Speaker 1: say she's gone. Um, let me let me understand this.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone joining me right now in the search for Carly.
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  Speaker 1: A gorgeous team California girl missing. Just so you know,
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  Speaker 1: the tip line seven six zero nine three to seven
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  Speaker 1: five four nine seven six zero nine three two seven
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  Speaker 1: five four nine. Her mother is with us right now
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  Speaker 1: and asking for your help to bring her daughter home
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  Speaker 1: with me. Lindsay, fairly, this is Carly's mom. What was
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  Speaker 1: his demeanor your he's your ex your ex husband, What
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  Speaker 1: was his demeanor? And was he was she Carly your
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  Speaker 1: daughter with him or supposedly staying at his house at
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  Speaker 1: the time she goes missing. Um, she was staying at
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  Speaker 1: his house. Um. She had been residing with him for
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  Speaker 1: since about And the reason for that was because I
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  Speaker 1: was living in a larger city and I didn't feel
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  Speaker 1: comfortable with her going to the school there, and she
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  Speaker 1: wasn't comfortable. So I had just said, you know, your
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  Speaker 1: friends are in Bishop, We're going to just keep you
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  Speaker 1: in the schools up there, and everyone agreed. So that
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  Speaker 1: was to kind of close the mind of all these
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  Speaker 1: inquiring minds, Like I've always had a relationship with my daughter.
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  Speaker 1: We'd never had an adoption of where Melissa adopted my daughter,
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  Speaker 1: and she always just it was an agreement, you know,
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  Speaker 1: mutually between Zack and I that she lived there so
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  Speaker 1: she was safe and comfortable around her front hold on.
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  Speaker 1: I just gotta tell you, Lindsay, I made a similar decision.
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  Speaker 1: I was based in New York for many, many, many
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  Speaker 1: years and raised the twins there at a certain point
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  Speaker 1: I wanted them to be with their grandparents. And um,
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  Speaker 1: it was very, very difficult to start a life going
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  Speaker 1: where I go back and forth and back and forth
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  Speaker 1: from New York to here and to there to relocate
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  Speaker 1: the twins. But as a parent you do what. It's
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  Speaker 1: not about you being happy, it's about what is best
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  Speaker 1: for your child. And that must have been a very
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  Speaker 1: difficult thing to do to let her stay there so
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  Speaker 1: she could stay in school there. Everybody we're talking to
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  Speaker 1: Carly's mother, lindsay fairly, now, this is not the stepmother, Melissa,
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  Speaker 1: this is her mother, her biological mom. Okay, So the
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  Speaker 1: the ex husband calls you and said, at what time
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  Speaker 1: of the morning, noon or night did he call to
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  Speaker 1: tell you this? It was about nine thirty my time
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  Speaker 1: am my time on Saturday morning. How long had she
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  Speaker 1: been missing? Um? So he claims that, um, she last
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  Speaker 1: time anyone saw her spoke to her was when Melissa
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  Speaker 1: saw her at supposedly five thirty am, and that she
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  Speaker 1: was the last one to be and at five thirty
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  Speaker 1: a m. When the stepmother or seize your daughter, where
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  Speaker 1: is your daughter Carly? At that moment five thirty am. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: that's when he said she was just gone. Well, prior
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  Speaker 1: to that, Melissa had said that she was sleeping in
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  Speaker 1: bed with her. Okay, So at five thirty a m. Carly,
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  Speaker 1: according to the stepmother, Melissa is in bed with Melissa
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  Speaker 1: at five thirty a m. Is that correct? Yes? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: they have do they do they have a burglar alarm
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  Speaker 1: on the home? No, it's a small community, so I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure there's no reason for it. So was the door unlock?
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  Speaker 1: Was the door unlock or open? Did they find the
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  Speaker 1: door open? Uh? Slightly cracked, they said. Interesting? Um, was
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  Speaker 1: there any sign of a forced entry? Nothing that I saw? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm asking you a quick lightning around series of questions.
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  Speaker 1: Were Carly's pj's that she was wearing in bed still
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  Speaker 1: in the home? Not than I'm aware of. There were
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  Speaker 1: a couple items of clothing What do you mean? There
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  Speaker 1: were a couple of items of clothing were on the floor,
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  Speaker 1: but not on her bed or anything. I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: could have just been a pile of dirty clothes. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure were those clothes there when they went to bed?
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  Speaker 1: Um that I don't know. See what I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: get at and Uh, Joseph Scott Morrigan forensics expert. What
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get at, are her pj's missing? Is
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  Speaker 1: she was she taken out of the home or left
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  Speaker 1: the home wearing those pj's, because that would tell me
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  Speaker 1: a lot, because a teen girl is not just gonna
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  Speaker 1: trapes off in her pj's, Joe Scott and is there
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  Speaker 1: an indication that she had prepared in any way? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Did she go? Question? Good question? Uh, you know, she's
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  Speaker 1: a teenager. She leaves without a cell phone. Uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: which is kind of odd. Let's sin the question to Lindsay,
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay Fairly, Carly's mother, where she's missing? What about her
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  Speaker 1: cell phone? What can you tell me? Um? The cell phone,
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  Speaker 1: from what Zach told me, was was left on the
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  Speaker 1: um kitchen counter where Carly left it. Now, earlier that morning,
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  Speaker 1: Carly's boyfriend had also gone over to the house after
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  Speaker 1: he got a call that she was missing, and the
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  Speaker 1: cell phone, he could have swore, was next to Carly's
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  Speaker 1: bed when he went there, so there had been obvious
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  Speaker 1: campering with the cell phone. Okay, that that's that's very disturbing. UM.
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  Speaker 1: I want to go straight to Dr Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologist,
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  Speaker 1: host of investigation discoveries, hit series Fatal Vows. Dr Russell,
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  Speaker 1: whenever you have this triangle going, there's gonna be tension, tension.
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  Speaker 1: You've got the biological mom with me. Right now, Lindsay
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  Speaker 1: Fairley is trying to bring your daughter home, and I
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  Speaker 1: can tell from what she's saying, she's concerned about the
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  Speaker 1: way she was called, what she was told. Uh, the
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  Speaker 1: scenari the timeline, the events, but we have to consider
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  Speaker 1: that there is a natural tension between the mother, the
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  Speaker 1: father living with the stepmother in a different location with
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  Speaker 1: the child. I mean, that would just throw me over
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  Speaker 1: the edge. And to hear Lindsay describe how she made
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  Speaker 1: the decision to let her daughters stay there in that
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  Speaker 1: school district, it's just breaking my heart because she did
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  Speaker 1: this to help her daughter, to make her daughter Carly happy.
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  Speaker 1: You don't just yank up a teen girl out of
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  Speaker 1: her school if you don't have to. Dr Brian, would
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  Speaker 1: you agree with that? Well, there, there's that's one consideration
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  Speaker 1: among many. But what I would say is, any time
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  Speaker 1: you have a situation like this, there is apt to
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  Speaker 1: be uh feelings of guilt on the part of both
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  Speaker 1: parents about oh I should have, could have would uh?
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  Speaker 1: And so sometimes what you get is defensiveness, uh, not
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  Speaker 1: wanting to necessarily tell about all of the mistake that
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  Speaker 1: he may be made in not watching her closely enough
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. And maybe, um, you know, maybe for uh
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  Speaker 1: you know the mom, you know that you could feel
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  Speaker 1: guilty that well, if I just would have brought her
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  Speaker 1: with me, this wouldn't have happened. And you have to
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  Speaker 1: put all that you have to put all that aside
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  Speaker 1: and and and give the full truth and give people
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  Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. But but get asked and
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  Speaker 1: demand answers and and just put all the emotional stuff aside. Well,
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  Speaker 1: speaking of asking and demanding answers, while we still have
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  Speaker 1: with us, Carly's mother, Lindsay ms fairly, is am I
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  Speaker 1: correct that the stepmother said she picked Carly up from
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  Speaker 1: a party that evening that Friday night, and can we
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  Speaker 1: confirm that? Um? She told me that she picked my
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  Speaker 1: daughter up from her boyfriend's um health around UM, she
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  Speaker 1: spoke to me and said that she had called Carly
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  Speaker 1: and said, I'm on my way home from Taco Bell.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going home. Do you need a ride or is
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  Speaker 1: your boyfriend Donald giving you a ride, and my daughter
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  Speaker 1: said at that moment, she said, I'm just going to
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  Speaker 1: get a ride home with Donald. And that was that.
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  Speaker 1: Then a few minutes had passed and Melissa called back
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  Speaker 1: to my um daughter Carly, and at that moment, I
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  Speaker 1: guess I'm no, I'm sorry. Carly called to Melissa and said,
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  Speaker 1: never mind, hurry up. Change. I changed my mind. Come
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  Speaker 1: get me. I'm booking it down Dixon Lane. Hurry, hurry.
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  Speaker 1: I'm scared now. This is Melissa telling me this. This
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  Speaker 1: is the story I received from Melissa, And I said
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  Speaker 1: what she What was she scared of? I'm not understanding.
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  Speaker 1: The searching for a sixteen year old girl missing in
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  Speaker 1: Monto County, east of Yosemite National Park, card Goose was
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  Speaker 1: last seen early Saturday morning and shelf bot about fourteen
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  Speaker 1: miles north of Bishop Thor. He says she doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: her cell phone or any personal belongings with her and
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  Speaker 1: may be disoriented. Police dogs and helicopters have been assisting
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  Speaker 1: in the search, but as of last night, they've not
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  Speaker 1: been able to locate her. Carly described to be five
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  Speaker 1: seven pounds with dark blonde hair and blue eyes. Where
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  Speaker 1: is Curly Goo say tipline seven six zero nine three
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  Speaker 1: nine zero nine Crime nine zero nine four nine two
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  Speaker 1: seven four six three To Bunny in South Korea. Hi, Bunny,
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  Speaker 1: you're a long ways away. Thank you for joining us
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  Speaker 1: at Crime Stories. What's your question, Bunny? Well, I just
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  Speaker 1: want to figure out, as much as her mother and
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  Speaker 1: everybody does, what happened to her and what the timeline is,
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  Speaker 1: because Melissa has said so many different things as to
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  Speaker 1: what happened and has changed her stories, so nobody in
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  Speaker 1: the public knows exactly where they should be looking at
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  Speaker 1: what's going on because she changed your stories. I meantime,
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  Speaker 1: my question is what is exactly the timeline that what
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  Speaker 1: area was she in that we can actually look to
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  Speaker 1: be we can find any evidence that she was there?
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  Speaker 1: Bunny that it's an excellent question. Bunny calling from South Korea.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go straight out to Crime online dot Com. Investigative
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  Speaker 1: reporter or author of Beautiful Life, The c s I
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  Speaker 1: behind the Casey Anthony trial and my observations from the courtroom,
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  Speaker 1: Robin Willinsky with me right now. Let's answer Bunny in
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  Speaker 1: South Korea's question. Robin Wilinsky well, apparently she was at
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  Speaker 1: this party, but you know, we don't even know Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: if that's actually factually correct. My big question about all
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  Speaker 1: of this is, why are they saying that she could
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  Speaker 1: be disoriented? Is that because of drugs? Uh? Was she
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  Speaker 1: on ad ocation? You know, sixteen year old girls, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: as you know, are our emotional creatures. We were once
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  Speaker 1: sixteen years old. Did she have a fight with the boyfriend?
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  Speaker 1: Did someone else give her drugs? The allegation that she
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  Speaker 1: may have been high? Was it her first time? Hold on,
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, just a moment, Hold on, just a moment.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have any proof that there were any type
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  Speaker 1: any marijuana, any anything, because miss Fairly, her biological mother,
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  Speaker 1: Carly's mom says the stepmother told her that Carly was
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  Speaker 1: last in bed with her inter PJS at five thirty am.
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  Speaker 1: So let me understand something, Robin. Where did all this,
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  Speaker 1: all this line of factual allegations regarding marijuana even come from.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to get back through, back to the
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  Speaker 1: potential time line that Bunny asked about, because I've got
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  Speaker 1: two very different stories about what happened that night. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: there there is there is this uh situation from the
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  Speaker 1: stepmother that says that she was in dead with them.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just not sure if I buy that that a
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  Speaker 1: sixteen year old at five thirty in the morning, sixteen
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  Speaker 1: years old and you're in dead with with your stepmother,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that that that makes sense to me.
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  Speaker 1: But that's the story that is currently out there. Well,
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  Speaker 1: what about this allegation that she was saying walking towards
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  Speaker 1: Highway six a shell Phant early Saturday morning according to
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  Speaker 1: the Mono County sheriffs offs. Where did that come from?
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  Speaker 1: Apparently from the stepmother. But what makes no sense to
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  Speaker 1: me about that, Nancy, is if you look at the geography,
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  Speaker 1: the geography of this that is fourteen miles north of Bishop,
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  Speaker 1: you can't she didn't walk there. She's not an Olympic
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  Speaker 1: athlete who dropped her off. Who's saying that she was
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  Speaker 1: actually there? Let me go back to Lindsay Fairley, the
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  Speaker 1: bio mom of Missing Curly Doo. Say all right, Lindsay,
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  Speaker 1: you're closer to it than we are. Can you give
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  Speaker 1: me what you believe is the answer to Bunny in
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  Speaker 1: South Korea's question the timeline, because that really is where
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  Speaker 1: every case starts. Um, you're concerned, are actually just as
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  Speaker 1: concerning as my own. I've been hearing about four or
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  Speaker 1: five different stories now and very very unsettling with me. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I'm very anxious to find my daughter. I've even so
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  Speaker 1: to my ex husband about possibilities of you know, do
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  Speaker 1: you think this is possible for Melissa to possibly hurt
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  Speaker 1: our child? I asked questions, and his response to me
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  Speaker 1: was three deep breaths, and then he says no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: huh no, and he got defensive, as any normal human
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  Speaker 1: being would when you discuss that, And I just found
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  Speaker 1: it to be rather odd how he immediately called me
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  Speaker 1: Saturday morning distraught, but yet he hadn't even called our
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  Speaker 1: almost twenty one year old son came to to see
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  Speaker 1: if my daughter had been to her or to his house. Um,
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  Speaker 1: nothing is adding up. You don't call somebody saying somebody's
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  Speaker 1: gone if in fact they're just out on a walk.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if this was normal behavior from my daughter
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  Speaker 1: and she's just out on a walk, is it normal
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  Speaker 1: behavior that they follow her? Because that's what happened here. Um,
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  Speaker 1: what do you mean who followed her? Apparently they woke
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  Speaker 1: up and Melissa said she was missing from the bedroom,
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  Speaker 1: and that's when she immediately woke up Zack. I got
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  Speaker 1: another story that Zach said from Zack personally that Melissa
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  Speaker 1: had got up and went out looking for Carly prior
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  Speaker 1: to even waking him up. We know that investigators have
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  Speaker 1: searched nearby neighborhoods and the desert terrain using helicopters and
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  Speaker 1: scent dogs. They have not found any clue. We are
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  Speaker 1: also learning, according to her mom, Lindsay Fairly, and according
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  Speaker 1: to police and k NBCTV, that the mom took the
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  Speaker 1: hit by letting her daughter go and stay with the
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  Speaker 1: dad and the stepmother so she could stay in that
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  Speaker 1: school district to be with her friends. With me right
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  Speaker 1: now is Carly's mother, and we are begging for your help.
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  Speaker 1: Did Gina North Carolina? Hi? Jan, what's your question? So
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  Speaker 1: watching this all the way from North Carolina, there has
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  Speaker 1: been so much information put out there by the step
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  Speaker 1: mom and everyone helping her, and there's been there's been,
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  Speaker 1: you know, as soon as Lindsey was gonna start to
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  Speaker 1: go fund me, it seemed like the mom had to
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  Speaker 1: one up her and did it before she could. And
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  Speaker 1: there's no like United Front, and there's been a different
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  Speaker 1: story from even dateline day I think it was Dayline
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  Speaker 1: that said that she there was nothing about sleeping in
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  Speaker 1: the same bed. It's that she checked on her at
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  Speaker 1: five thirty. And this whole Facebook page, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: Like the Facebook page is like it's like a sorority there.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the emotion of these live videos is anyone
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  Speaker 1: can see through it? Um and that is just a joke.
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  Speaker 1: You know. They've got this podcast where this you know
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  Speaker 1: lady on their name Jamie like controlling everything. It's not
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  Speaker 1: about Carly at all. It's about it's about Melissa and
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  Speaker 1: these fake tears, and it's just it's just heartbreaking to
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  Speaker 1: see because the group has gone crazy and you know,
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  Speaker 1: here Lucy is She's the only one with sincere emotions
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• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Carly lane go Say is missing. Still she's been missing
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: stints breathe, mm hmm. She's been missing since six thirty am.
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  Speaker 1: The last time that I spoke to her was thirty
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: She didn't take her cell phone. We're coming up on
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: ten hours and now it's a part where I'm saying
• 22:41
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  Speaker 1: Thank you to HP, Love you, and um, we are
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: going to potentially have the helicopter. Did the search over
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: a very large area so far, all the way around us. All,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: welcome back. This is Crime Stories. I'm Nancy Grace. We
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: are trying to find answers in the disappearance of a
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: gorgeous young girl, Carly. You say, and with me it
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: is her biological mom, Lindsay Fairly, who is begging for
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: your help. Now, what you just heard is not Lindsay.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: What you just heard is Melissa Goose Say, the stepmother
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: who we believe as the last person to have seen
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Carly before she disappears. Robert Wilinski, what was that? I
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: was just listening to wow, do you have an Academy
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: award that is the step I think that that is
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: so bogus and so fat and she is definitely you know,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I hate the point fingers, but wow, you can dissect
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: every sentence of that. To me, it's the talk about
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: an acting job. There's so many different stories out there.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I think I think that the police really need to
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: put her in a room and get the timeline. Exactly
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: what the timeline is. Did she really pick her up
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: at the party? Did she really sleep at the house?
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Was she really in the room at five thirty six thirty?
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: You know what is the timeline of events? Because to me,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: that is really forced and really think well to Dr
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Michelle dupre joining me uh, South Carolina Medical examiner, author
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: of Homicide Investigation Field Guide, Dr Dupree, just in the
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: space of a few minutes, there are so many inconsistencies
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: with the stepmother's story. However, before I throw a stone
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: at that, there may be rational explanations. For one. Okay,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: she says she was in bed with her. Then we
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: hear no, I just checked on her. I could rationalize
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: that to think I went into check on or I'll
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: laid down for a few moments then I got up. Okay,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: there's a way to explain that inconsistency away. What I'm
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: worried about. Dr Michelle is right now. From a an
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: investigatory point, I'm sure that Joseph's Got Morgan is gonna
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: agree with me on this. There's a big difference between
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: five thirty a m. And six thirty am. If this
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: little girl is out in her pj's in a desert
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: climate in the early morning, the the elements can take
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: a toll on a young girl dressed in her pj. So,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: just got Morgan, isn't that true? Yeah, you're absolutely right, Nancy.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: And keep in mind this time of year in the desert, Uh,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: those temperatures begin to drop precipitously. People think of the desert.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: I think it's all hot, arid. That's worth thing at night,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: tom Uh, those temperatures can get down really, really low.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: So that's the reason. Yeah, yeah, it does matter. You know.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Back to Carly's mother, Lindsay Airly Lindsay. Uh, police have
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: put it out there and various well, let me just say,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: various news outlets have put it out there that Carly
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: was last seen outside her home and this is a very.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: You know, it's a low population Small Senses designated area.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: It's a few miles from the border with Nevada. So
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: let me. I don't understand that either. I know the
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: last time I saw the twins. Okay, I know exactly
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: the last time I saw the twins. I know what
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: they were wearing. I know my son didn't have a
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: coat on, and I wanted him to have a coat,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: and I gave him a coat, and he jumped out
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: of the car without the coat. I know what they
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: were carrying with them, Okay. I know what they had
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: in their hands because I packed it myself. I know
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: that I know what their socks, their shoes, their underwear.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I know the whole thing because I set it up
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: for him. Okay. Now I've got a big problem with
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: was she in bed? Was it six or was she
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: standing out in front of the house. And where did
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: this whole thing come up from about her being at
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: some party and she was afraid. None of that is
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: making sense to me, lindsay, we can't do the investigation
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: without a timeline, right right. It's not making sense to me,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: and I wish I The thing that was disturbing to
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: me was after the fact I went over to my
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: daughter's residence nine hours after she had been missing. Um,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the whole investigation was dirty from the start. UM. While
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I was there, Melissa played an eight minute audio of
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: my daughter's behavior, which was rather calm. On the audio.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I don't really see what would cause you to video
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: or audio tape someone's behavior if you're not, in fact
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: concerned about it. Like if why why was she videoing?
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: She said that she was really paranoid when she had
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: brought her home and Carly got into the car with
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: her and said, Melissa, you're gonna kill me. No, you're
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: gonna kill me. Now, this is Melissa's side again. I
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: didn't get any answers from her dad or answers from
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: law enforcement on this. In fact, law enforcement walked through
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: me like I was a ghost. When I came there.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: I introduced myself as the biological mother of Carly, and
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: they walked right past me, and UM, to go ahead.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Oh no. They they walked up to Melissa and they said,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: there's one more thing we have to do at this house,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: and that is clear inside the house to make sure
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Carly is not in fact inside. I said, you've got
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: to be kidding me nine hours after my daughter went missing,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: and you guys are just now upping in the house.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: You let I don't know how many people come in
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: and walk in my daughter's room. I said, you guys
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: didn't go in and treat it as a crime scene.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I understand that, but you didn't see if there was
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: any form of foul play involved. You didn't see if
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: there was any pulled out hair follicles in her head.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: But you know if there's traumas to a hair like
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I want answers, like nobody's treating this as anything other
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: than a missing person at this point, which they never
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: took a look inside the house. They never saw if
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: there was a scuffle, because at the eight minute audio,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: at the end of that there was a scuffle and
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I said, Melissa, what happened at the end of the audio,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: and she specifically just walks away. It's going on ten
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: hours that she's been missing, and I want to put
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: this on blast because I don't think she's out in
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: the desert. I think that she could have been abducted
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: or taken because we do the Via highway and it happens,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: and I'm being real and I just want to let
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: everybody know, Alicia, you're calling me. Are you watching the video?
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: She's not watching the video. That's okay. I want to
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: put this on Blast because I don't know what to
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: do to consider her a missing person. Um, you can't
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: do an amber alert because she didn't leave in a
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: car and I don't have a physical description of a vehicle. Guys,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: you are hearing the stepmother Melissa you says Blast on
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Facebook Live. She's stating that she believes her stepdaughter may
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: have been abducted, but an amber alert it's not possible
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: because there's no physical description of a vehicle. Well, you're
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: talking about a beautiful young girl, Carly Goosey, who is missing.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Tip line seven six zero nine, three to nine with
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: me right now? Is Carly's mother, Lindsay fairly, Lindsay, I
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: want to talk to you about a clime that Lindsay's
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: excuse me, that Carly's footprints were found in the mountains.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: That to me is suspicious as well. Her dad was
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: the one to have found them, And um, I there's
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: no confirmation. There's not even a confirmation that my daughter
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: was even spotted. As far as I know, she was
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: never seen leaving that house at all. That morning, and
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: all the tips that were coming in, we're going straight
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: to me Lista's cell phone and I said, how do
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: you guys, have all your neighbors have your cellphone? If
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: you just moved in here three months ago, don't I
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: mean I don't. I don't meet my neighbors till I
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: move out this with me Robert lets crime online dot
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter and author of Beautiful Life, Robin, what
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: can you tell me about that? The footprints that seems
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: very odd, Yeah, is extremely odd to me, has nothing
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: to do with the case. It sounds like somebody is
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: trying to put something else out there to divert the
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: police to something that could be completely bogus. I happen
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: to believe that it is possible that she never did
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: leave the house in the morning, but who knows, because
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: if there's no videotape, if there's no security cameras on
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: the exterior of this home or on neighboring homes. To me,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: if I was an investigator on this case, I would
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: go door to door and say, have you seen this woman,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: the sixteen year old girl, and really look at video
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: cameras in the town house to house. Did she ever
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: leave the home she was in. I don't know. There's
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: so many inconsistencies in the story. Uh, it's hard to
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: know what to believe. The footprints though, I don't buy it. Well,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I don't understand how out in the desert you can
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: identify footprints that's your Baillywick did Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: forensics at Jacksville State University, death investigator and author of
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet Just Scott, I've done a lot
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: of footprint cases, but not from desert sand um by
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: by any any footprint, you're gonna have to have a
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: shoe tread. Yeah, Yeah, you're right. It's a specific identifier.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: And I don't see how this, Uh you know, how
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: this person, the father who allegedly made the statement, can
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: narrow this down to this little girl's feet. I don't
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: see how that's possible. And how how would you know
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: specifically to go to a particular area in order to
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: identify these things? Uh, I'm I'm just I'm just very
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: curious about this whole thing. Where's law enforcement and all
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: of this. Why isn't this being locked down and they're
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: talking about this thing as a crime scene at this point,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: because all of this is this is time is precious,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: physical evidence is precious, and right now it seems like
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: it seems like a three ring circus at this point,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: very very for us. So back to Jenne in North Carolina,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: our caller along with Buddy in South Korea. Jen, I
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: still can't give you a timeline. Okay, all I can
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: give you. It's like opening up a box of chocolate.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Just pick one and that's that's way way wrong. Jenn
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: in North Carolina. We've got a possible five thirty last
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: time she's seen Carle seen in bed with step mom.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Then we've got a six thirty last time she's seen
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: in bed with stepmom. Then we have a last scene
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: outside the front of the house. Two Lindsay. Fairly, this
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: is Carly's bio mom Lindsay who saw her in front
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: of the house allegedly, No nobody all my daughter? Um,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: where'd we get? That? Was a man supposedly sitting in
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: his hot tub at six thirty am? And he he
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: claims he saw a young girl walking by with a
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: piece of paper And I said that a piece of paper?
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: What would that have been? Melissa? You know? A suicide note?
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Worst case scenario I'm trying to wrap my head around
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: this too, And she said no, she was in the
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: counseling um group at her school, and she was really
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: adamant about getting her counseling paper back. I said, on
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: the Saturday morning, there's no school, Like, what's what's going
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: on here? My ex husband didn't call me until am,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: supposedly three hours after my daughter has been seen. We
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: did four hours, four hours. Let me understand what happened.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Say at five thirty, let's go with that story that
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the stepmother was in bed with her at five thirty
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: A m Okay, did the stepmother get up at five thirty? Is?
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Did she get up for the day at five thirty?
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Where did she go at five thirty? She told me
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: that she woke up and noticed that Carly wasn't there,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: and got up and started searching the house immediately. And
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: that was all I got. And I did not like
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: the fact that when Zack called me that more name,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: within twenty minutes, I called him back, you know, have
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: you heard anything? Where do you think she would go?
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: And he got really irate with me on the phone,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: and he's like, I've got to go. I just broke
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: my truck I've got to go, And I said, what
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: do you mean you broke your truck? Where are you?
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: When he hung up on me, And that was around
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: nine thirty. Were contacted relations with the stepmother and the father?
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: How did they get along and how often did you
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: speak to her? Um? There were times my daughter would say,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I hate Melissa. She drives me nuts. She's such a
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: bit this step and together? What teenager? Doesn't you know?
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: You know they say that about step parents all the time.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I just pushed it off as a teen thing. Um,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: she was spoiled, But that doesn't mean they had a
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: good relationship. Um, she just she was bored all the time.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: You know. The they move out of town about fourteen
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: aisles and she said, I'm bored. I have no friends
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: out here. All my friends get to hang out in
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: town and I'm just bored all the time. So the
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: relationship part, yeah, yeah, the relationship part. I mean I'm
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: hearing more and more she didn't have a good relationship,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: but I mean I wasn't physically there all the time,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: so I can't really pinpoint how it was. How often
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: did you guys talk? We would talk all the time.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: She would text me and she'd usually say hey mom,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: and I'd be like hey Carly or hey daughter, Hey,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: you know, because it was just cute, like that's how
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: we were. And and I just missed her conversations and
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: her little quirkiness, and I just wanted to find her, honestly,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: And if I find out somebody her tortured her, put
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: her through any pains, They're definitely going to see the
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: wrath of God. I mean, I just I don't know
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: what to do. I just I literally I want to
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: see her and touch her and smell her. I know
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: that sounds crazy, but I missed her, and I just
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I want answers. And I see the consistencies that you
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: guys see and her car, Melissa's cars now in the
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: auto body shops. And I called investigators yesterday. I said,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: are you aware of this? Why is her car in
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: the shop? Is she trying to get it detailed? Is
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: she trying to get it repaired? What I want answers
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: on that too. I mean, I feel like I've been
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: put in the closet and just you'll be fed your
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: meal in ten hours when we're ready to give you
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: any information. You know, That's how I feel. I'm not
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: getting the answers either, and I just don't understand. Tomorrow,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: join us as we talk to the stepmother and Melissa,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: you say, and the bio dad, Zachary, what happened? Where
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: is Carl? You say? Tipline seven six or nine three
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: two seven five for nine Bring her home, Nancy Grace
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Crime Story, signing off, goodbye friend, h