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"Top Gun" with UFC's Miranda "Fear The" Maverick · Caught on the Mike...

• 0:02
  SPEAKER_00: Warning due to some language and subject matter, listener discretion is advised.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_01: Hoping to get somebody to deserve it.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: But she also has the prestigious distinction of having a 10 in four mixed martial arts record.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: Currently, she is fighting in the UFC's women's flyweight division, and just as last weekend scored another submission victory by a rear-naked joke.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: But trust me, the fear is setting in.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: Miranda, fear the maverick, is joining me on the show today.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: Ladies and gentlemen, this is Caught on the mic.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: As I said in the intro, I'm feeling a little bit of fear right now, especially after seeing that rear-naked choke this last weekend.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: Miranda Maverick, how the heck are you?
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_00: I'm doing great.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_00: Doing great.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_00: Glad to be here.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: Glad to have you.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like we were saying just a few moments ago, we were talking before I pressed record.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: That shiner is healing nicely.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: It is, it is.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: The swellings went down, and even the bruising is going away very fast.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: So And you said you said you didn't even know that she made contact or what?
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_00: I I recall when I was hit, but I didn't think it was going to be that bad at all.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_00: It was just because the location, and like I had told you, I've had retina surgeries in the past, so the scar tissue around my eye makes it uh swell up compared to a lot of people.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome performance this last weekend.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's an honor to have you here today.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: And without any further ado, why don't you introduce yourself to my audience and let's start talking about your origin story.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: Sounds good.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm Miranda Fear the Maverick, right?
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: In the cage, but uh just Miranda in life.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, it all started in so many different ways.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: I always tell different ones because there's so many aspects of how I started the sport.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, one could say that I got into it from a self-defense aspect.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_00: My dad had raised me and my siblings to wrestle around at home, and we watched the UFC growing up.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: And uh one side story of that is when I was about 14 years old, we were sitting on the sofa, and here comes the first women's fight I had ever seen in the UFC, Rhonda Rousey versus Liz Carmoche.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, wow, I didn't know women fought.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: And my dad was like, sure do.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: Looks like the first fight ever on the UFC.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, wow, I'm gonna watch this.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_00: We watched the fight, and he's like, You could do that, you could be world champion someday.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, no, I'm not getting punched in the face.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: And that's legitimately what I told him at the age of, I think I was 14 years old.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_00: And then uh fast forward about two, three years, I come up to my dad and I tell him I want to start at an actual gym doing jujitsu because all we were doing was wrestling around at home, and I had two little kids to wrestle around with, and then my dad, who's about 220 pounds.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Yeah, this isn't great for uh learning the sport, it's great for learning self-defense, of course.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: So he was like, sure, find a way to pay for it and go to a gym.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_00: I'm completely behind you.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: And so I did.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: I went to Springfield Fight Club in Springfield, Missouri.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: I actually started at another gym, but stayed there only like a month and a half, two months until they told me I wasn't allowed to compete there and I wasn't for that.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: So I went to Springfield Fight Club.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: They had a lot of black belts.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_00: I went in there, had to put a ghe on for the first time, and I was like, whoa, this is crazy.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_00: Go in, and all these white belts are beating my butt when I was used to beating up adult men in the other gym.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, this is legit.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: I want to stay here, right?
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_00: I can learn a lot.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: And that is where I stayed until I got to be a professional in Invicta, actually.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: And then I moved for school, not because I chose to necessarily.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I watched some women fight, an amateur fight, when I was about 17 years old.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's what finally sparked me to decide I was gonna try MMA.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, wow, that didn't look so bad.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_00: Girls don't really hit that hard, you know, or at least not those girls.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I can do better than that performance I saw.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_00: And my coaches were quick to say, you know, don't say anything until you've been punched in the face.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, eh, I've been kicked by cows, I've been hit by tree limbs.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm pretty sure I'd be all right after growing up where I grew up.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, I told myself up for my first fight, if I won and I like the feeling of beating up this girl potentially, I would go be the best I could ever be.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: And if I lost, or I didn't like the feeling, I would never do it again, and I would just check it off as a bucket list item.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: And the rest is history.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's amazing.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: You wrestled in high school and college as well.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so so that's kind of skewed, right?
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_00: So I actually started Brazilian jujitsu first.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: I was a junior in high school when I started jujitsu, and I decided I'd try out wrestling to see if I could go to college for it.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_00: And so I did wrestling like three months in high school and actually quit during Christmas break because it was taking so much time that I could have been making money doing a job and also helping on the farm.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_00: And so I quit because my coach one was pretty sexist.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't care for me too much, and I was doing well on the men's team or the boys' team, right?
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_00: But uh the boy who I had taken his varsity spot was coming back and he was able to beat me after an injury.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, well, if I'm gonna do junior varsity and I'm gonna already have a full ride to college on academics, I don't really want to be an athlete through college anyway, because that's hard and I want to go do other stuff and work my way through college.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: So then I started jury university.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: I get a free ride there basically on my academics.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_00: I was a good student, you know, valedictory and all that.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_00: Went to college, and my sophomore year at the school that's known for its academics, they end up getting a wrestling team.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I have this gruff guy, you know, all big and muscular, come into my class in the middle of my class and pull me out and be like, uh, can I talk to Miranda Maverick?
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh, the security guard, what did I do?
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a good kid, right?
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_00: And my professor looks at me and she winks at me and she's like, Go ahead, you're you're free to go.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Is she in on this?
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: You know, because she was a professor I really liked.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: She was a she's still a friend of mine.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I walked outside and he's like, So how would you like to join a college wrestling team?
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, uh, women's?
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_00: And he was like, oh no, men's.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, no, I was like, I'm gonna get beat up.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, I'm already a fighter.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, I know, that's exactly why I'm asking you.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: Not so that you can compete, but so that you can provide us exposure while also getting training yourself.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, but I can't make it to the practices, right?
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: I've already got my own practices, I work, and I go to school.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_00: He was like, I'm not telling you you have to do anything, just show up when you can and be a good poster child.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, All right, I'm in, right?
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_00: So I would come to practices and do the strength and conditioning and wrestle live with them when I could.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_00: And he was an amazing coach for that, you know, tried to get me to get along with the team, was always using me as an example for the guys and stuff.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_00: And and I loved being able to learn from them.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I still think that's where a lot of the grit came from.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: But I did learn that I don't like live wrestling with guys because they'll try to break your knees in half.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm glad you brought up the the first issue where you you talked about the coach in high school that was a little bit sexist because you and I share a kinship in the fact that we're Midwesterners.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: You're originally from Missouri.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_01: I've got family all over Missouri.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm actually living in Nebraska right now.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: I went to school in Iowa.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_01: We're a wrestling part of the country, right?
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, very much.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: From your standpoint, you were kind of breaking some stereotypes in a certain way, right?
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was the only girl on that team.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: I was the only girl in college, of course.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: And it was funny, the year that I got out of high school, or college actually, my sister started high school and they had a the women's wrestling team.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: That was the first time they had had it.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_00: And so she has gotten to compete as a female as a women's team throughout her years in high school and torments me because she's made it to state twice, you know, and she's like, You never made it.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, Well, I never got to wrestle girls, but fair.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, for a while, and I don't want to say the whole sports like that by any means.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like I said, the college coach was amazing.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it was just one of those things where I was kind of treaded on the feet of his boys, you know, and able to beat them up.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I didn't even get to train with anybody but the other girl on my team until I finally like pinned this boy in nine seconds, my first ever match that I had, and then he was like forced into letting me wrestle with the boys.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: But if the girl wasn't there, he'd just make me basically sit on the side or do warm-up drills.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: It was crazy, really.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: You brought up academia, and I think one of the most interesting footnotes to your story, and I don't know where you're at with it.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_01: Are you still pursuing the PhD?
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: Uh no.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_00: So um, I'm actually finishing up my thesis, lost motivation for about a semester, maybe two.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh working on it right now, and it's one of those things where when I get time, I work on it.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I was pursuing my PhD and May of 2021, I was given an ultimatum to continue my PhD or decide to do MMA by the school.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: And there was no reasons behind it.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: I I still to this day like wonder if I should pursue legal action, you know, but I'm not going to.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's one of those things where I'm just gonna get it done and I'll probably never go to school a day in my life again.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it ended up being for the best.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm I believe in God and I think things happen for a reason, and it's one of those things I had zero control over.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: And at first I felt like I had failed, but in reality, there was nothing on me for that one.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: And so I just I moved on.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: And I I literally moved like a couple weeks later, I was done with it.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: I I hated even being around after that had happened.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I obviously chose MMA, and I could always go back and get my PhD if I wanted.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, as fate would have it, I got a job offer about three days before I got that ultimatum.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I wasn't going to take it because I was, you know, a student.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: I was a full-time student, almost done with my PhD, actually.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'd already done all my doctorate classes except one semester.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: All I had left was my research.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I said, I'll take the job, you know.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: So now I have a job working as a um contracted statistician for Hershey, like the chocolate company.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I do that on the side of my fighting, along with finishing my thesis.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's amazing.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: That is amazing.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, congratulations, and good for you for standing your ground.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like that is very, very, very admirable.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it was industrial psychology?
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: Is that what it means?
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, industrial psychology.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: The focus explain that a little bit.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_00: So industrial psychology is a little different than what most people think it is.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's based around employee well-being, employee health.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you go into a business and you basically try to make it as good functioning as you can from looking at the people perspective, right?
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like good leaders, um, how to make them through developmental, through, through training processes, and how to make your employees happy through those training processes, through hiring good people, finding out the different traits that you need for employees, and then transferring that into either the industrial or organizational side of a business, um, and basically making the overall overall business work.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like a lot of people that are industrial psychologists get hired as talent acquisition experts, or they work for actual like hiring companies.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we're the ones that seek out the talents.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: Some of us work as consultants for businesses.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then I somehow got into a spot where I'm a statistician working more in the commercialization side of things and the behind the scenes.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's timely.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, when you consider the employment crisis that's going on in our country right now, um, I don't I never talk about what I do for a living on the show, but I I'll just say I manage people about a staff of about 26, and I have never seen anything like I have seen in the past year as far as staffing and onboarding and all of that stuff.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's hard, and it's hard from many perspectives, and you'll hear some people say there's no jobs, and then you'll hear other people say there's too many jobs and no one will work because the government's handing out money like candy, and everybody can make just as much money going on unemployment and whining about COVID as they can getting a real job.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'll get on my political stance too much.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: But my mom's a general manager of a restaurant, and she just can't get people to work for her that are worth anything because they'll just quit instantly if they if they don't get their day off, or you know, we don't have good workers anymore, and they're not incentivized to work hard because of the crisis that these companies are having to go through and the regulations that they have to meet, all the way down to it can't be discriminatory.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_00: So you have to hire this many of this and that, and just every little thing politically comes into play with employment nowadays that it's hard from both a capitalist perspective and an employee perspective.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, it totally totally is.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: And it's I'm glad you brought that up because people want to throw the fact that it's it's the minimum wage or it's a dollar amount, and it's like you can throw as much money at an unmotivated person as you want, and they're still an unmotivated person.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so like the way the mind works, specifically from a leadership perspective, it I honestly it's one of those things that I love talking about this stuff.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: I love talking about the generation gap that's in the workforce right now, and how there's like five different five, six different generations in the workforce, and that's the first time ever happened in American history.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: I I I love talking about this stuff.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry if I'm nerding out a little too much.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_00: I could do the same thing.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: I could do all the numbers.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man, I think I think you and I just became b best friends here.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: So let's uh let's talk about your move to Colorado and what what kind of inspired that?
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh well, I just told you about the uh school thing, right?
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um I was already ready to get out of Virginia, get out of that environment.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: It was a little bit just I wasn't happy there.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um I lived a long way from home, you know.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm getting to see my family once, twice a year, maybe my dad three times if he came to a fight.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't like it, I hated it.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I met my current husband there, and he was in the military at the time.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: And the day that he got out of the military, we moved to Colorado.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: The day, like literally the day we got in New Hall and we drove to Colorado.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: And we were ready.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: We were both ready to go.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: And Colorado was the choice because it was all based around my training, and we knew we were gonna go wherever the best training was.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: We're free birds in that sense, you know, we don't have responsibilities that hold us down in any one location right now.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: And my career is one that is based on where I'm at, um, really heavily focused on finding a good training camp.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: So we sat down, looked at a whole list of the states, you know, and first canceled off like I refuse to live here, here, and here, you know, and then we went through and I'm like, okay, here's our list of 10 states that we might live in.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: Now let's find good gyms.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: And if they don't have good gyms in these states, we're marking them off the list.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: And we got down to Colorado and Florida and we're considering Kansas City.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but at the time I chose just not to go there.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, wanted to come where there's a lot of female training partners and just bigger camps and wanted to kind of feel how it was to have a lot of coaches to choose from.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: That was very important to me, the freedom to choose my coaches and have good training partners.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: And when I say good training partners, I mean like high-level females, not just females, like people will be like, oh, I want girls to train with.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't care about that.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: I cared about having girls that were in the UFC that know how to fight, that I'm not going in there and just getting my confidence given to me by beating up girls who are amateur fighters.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: That doesn't help anybody.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and Denver ended up being the place I wanted to go.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: I see it as like one of the fighting capitals of the world.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of crazy how many females and male fighters are right in Denver.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: And people don't even know it.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: They're like sea fighter every time they walk in the gym, you know, if not 20 of them.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's crazy.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: It is insane.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: I I love it.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like I make the pilgrimage to Colorado at least twice a year, and it's I I first of all, uh how do you like living there?
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: Just the scenery and the things to do.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's beautiful.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, one thing that we liked about it was moving here and seeing the health of people.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I know that sounds crazy, but living in the south most of my life and moving a lot, and even in Missouri, like um obesity rates are higher, and just people that aren't active outside, and out here, everyone is outside, everyone's doing something active, and it's just such a high energy feeling out here.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and part of it could have to do with the altitude, you know, that helps with the health and all that, in terms of like putting your body under stress and making you lose weight easier.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: But I love how pretty it is.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I love the outdoors.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: The one thing I don't like is still not being close enough to family, you know, and I don't like cities very much.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: But Denver area is one of those places that doesn't feel like a city unless you live like right in the one mile stretch of it.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: Other than that, it feels like you're kind of in the middle of nowhere or in a little suburb.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: I lived in Arvada as a kid, and a lot of my extended family lives in Aurora.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I I know exactly what you're talking about.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: When we go, when my family goes, we normally go to Colorado Springs area and we hang out around Manitou Springs and do a lot of hiking and stuff.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's pretty out there.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: And and you're right, like it maybe it is something to do with the altitude there, because I just said on a prior episode of the podcast that every time I go out to Colorado, I come back like completely reinvigorated, like a brand new person.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it's the nature too, you know, being around it all the time and just seeing God's beauty everywhere, like trees, the mountains, just the water, you know.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: When you say when I say water, I mean like the snow and all that.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's just beautiful.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, fantastic.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: So far, since you've lived out there, who's been your favorite training partner?
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that one's hard.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um Claire Guthrie and Raquel Pennington have been two of my main training partners throughout my time.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but a lot of them are great training partners.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to leave any of them out.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: JJ's been really quality in my fight camps.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then the girls who just show up every day, even some of them that aren't fighters, you know, like some of the grapplers.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: I have Adrian, we have Emma, uh, Mallory Martin's there.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we have a lot of girls.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: Montana De La Rosa comes up.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of females that come in and out too.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: They'll come up here for their camps or they'll come here for a week just to get some work in.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it just keeps growing and keeps changing over time.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, some of the guys are really valuable too that I train with at pound for pound, just a lot of people.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I like that some of them are my size, some of them are a little bit bigger.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, like Tisha, she's a little smaller than me, but heck, she's so fast, like you can get uh work with anyone.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: From your observation from the time you were a fan as a kid and watching UFC with your dad, how much has the sport changed just in general?
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: And then how much has the sport changed for females in such a short span of time?
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'd say it's the same for both the guys and the girls in terms of evolution.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like we have these people that are finally training when they're kids.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's crazy.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like you have a sport that was only like, okay, I started doing this when I was 24, you know, and it's like, okay, now they're in the UFC, they're doing great.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: Some of them are champions.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: And then it got to where if you don't start at 18, you're not gonna be anywhere.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: And now it's if you didn't start when you were six, you're probably not gonna get anywhere, you know, unless you're a freak athlete.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what you're seeing, like uh coming up in the younger years.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: I started when I was 16, but I didn't start training any striking until I was almost well, I was 18 when I technically started, but I didn't get decent at striking until I was like 20, 21.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: And now we see, you know, the Aaron Blanchfields, the Kay Hansons, they're all coming up and they've been training since they were children.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: And we're gonna have more and more of those.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: So it's just gonna keep evolving.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why I respect the girls who have stayed in there so long.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there is Rod Keller's Tisha, there's JJ, all these girls that I watched when I was younger and they're still there, and now I'm getting to train with them and be my rivals instead of just my, you know, the whole, the whole saying instead of just my idols.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: I agree wholeheartedly, specifically the last five years.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think this is a sport that just grows incrementally year over year over year and and matures year over year over year.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I can't recall any time in my lifetime where I've seen a sport evolve as fast as MMA has in general.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: And um, it's funny because that's starting to break some of the stereotypes.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: We were talking about stereotypes before, you know, 10, 15, 20 years ago, there was a bad perception of a stereotype that MMA was human cockfighting, and now it's like high-level athletics from start to finish.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: The problem is there's still such a small population that sees it that way, you know, it is still growing, and you see that in even generationally, there's gaps of who and who thinks what.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, obviously, here I am with a black eye.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: Certain people think certain ways about that, you know, and females still fighting, and and even guys, you know, and there is the stereotypes you're talking about, like you don't have an education if you fight, obviously.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: You don't do it to make money, you just fight because you just got out of prison or something, you know, like that's what so many people think, or they think you're a violent person.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: And like for me, I always laugh because nobody assumes I'm a fighter, you know, and then when they find out I am, they're just kind of like, What?
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and I'm like, Yeah, that's what I do for my most of my living, you know.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: And they're like, Why?
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know, why would you choose to do that?
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know, or uh the the old lady phrase of why would you do that to your Pretty face, you know, and I'm like, ah, well, this is the worst injury I've ever had.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'll be all right, you know, and uh it's worth it.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's worth it to have the potential of making it to that top, right?
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: And that will always be hopeful there.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: And if I can make a living in 45 minutes in a year of more than anybody else makes for their income, I will, you know, and obviously work goes into it.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: I pay for fight camps, I work my butt off every day.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: But to literally go in a cage and work for 15 minutes max, I'll take I'll take some thousands of dollars for that instead of saying that's a job nine to five.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody that's interested in how the human mind works, and even even if it is industrial psychology, you've you've got a base level psychology.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: For sure, yeah.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: There's something that I've oh I've noticed, specifically since I've been hosting a podcast and talking with a lot of fighters and uh a lot of the Colorado fighters and such, to where there's such a measured and balanced mindset with fighters.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's like you you play into the stereotypes and you think that everybody's a meathead when realistically, you guys are some of the most mellow and cool people and well-rounded people I've ever had the pleasure of talking to in my entire life.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it is the fact that you're able to get that aggression out in a healthy manner.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's that, but I also think people have to understand we are doing this every day.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like the fight's just we're built up all this anger and we're going in and fighting.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like it could be therapy for some people, and some people say, I just love to fight.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, okay, but do you really like getting punched in the face and getting hurt?
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like, not really, not too many of us like that, right?
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: But it's just the fact that we're good at something, right?
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's where the psychology comes in.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: I could be a sewing queen, you know, and be awesome at sewing, and I would become loving that if it made me money.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, whatever makes money and you're good at, you're going to like and you're going to love doing it.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: And once you figure out how to balance your money, and that's something that a lot of fighters I feel like lack, um, I don't agree with the pay, first off.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: But two, even with the pay we have, you should be able to manage your life on that wage once you're in the UFC, right?
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: After you've had a couple of fights in the UFC.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: But a lot of people squander it away or that they spend it immediately.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: And this is such a short ride that they can do that, you know.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm 24, but I don't plan on being in this sport when I'm 40, you know, and I don't think anybody should.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's not good for your health long term if you do this for too long with the weight cuts and the punching to the head.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like women honestly are more blessed than a lot of the guys in that aspect.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_00: We don't take near as hard of punches, and all of our brains are the same thickness and stuff.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like the guys have thicker schools, you know, like regardless of the jokes.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's that's great analysis.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's so let's talk about some fun stuff for a moment.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: You eloped in November, right?
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, on Thanksgiving.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: How how did you make that happen?
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: On Thanksgiving, nonetheless.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so uh it's kind of a funny story.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: So we were talking about getting married, and it was only a couple weeks prior to Thanksgiving, I think, that we decided to do it.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: And uh Pete was like, let's try to do it on Thanksgiving.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, but that's pretty quick, right?
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like I was the one kind of pushing for it, but that was really quick.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, why?
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, ah, just to show appreciation, you know, like I feel like that's a big focus in our relationship and with God and everything, what we're going through in life.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, good idea.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: And so I had a photographer that I knew that actually like did photography for the uh fight promotion that I was commentating for, Sparta Media.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I contacted Jesse and I was like, I know it's Thanksgiving, but we could get it over with early in the morning if you don't mind taking some pictures for us for a couple hours.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'll pay you, you know.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so he came and took pictures, and uh it's kind of almost an embarrassing story, but we hired a like pastor online because we didn't have enough connections here, right?
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: And even the church we went to, nobody's coming off at Thanksgiving with their family to do it.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: So we got this older pastor that like lived by himself, was alone, and he uh he wedded us in the morning at like 8 a.m.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: And then we went and took some pictures, and I literally rushed to training at noon straight from my makeup on and everything, and went and got dressed in the locker room and went straight to training.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: So this is this is point number two where we're new best friends because my marriage was one week's notice, and it was in our backyard, and we didn't tell anybody until like the day of, and it was kind of a similar situation.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: We were just like a phone call later that afternoon after I got back from training, and we were like, All right, let's call the parents, let's call the family, and we set up, we disguised it as we want to talk to everybody for Thanksgiving, do the little prayer in a circle thing, and we want to participate too, even though we're not there, and uh so that's what we did with both of them.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: And when it came our turn to say what we were thankful for, we told them what we did, and both were like super happy for us.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: We're still having an actual wedding in October on my family's uh farm.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I'm really excited about that.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, we thought it was time to just go ahead and do it.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: We were already living like we were married, nothing really changed from us getting married, which you know, we could give advice to future couples to not do it that way, but that's how our life was, and we figured why not?
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: Why go with our timing instead of God's?
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like we're just making it convenient for us instead of doing what was right.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, do what works for you.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure you get asked a lot what kind of advice you would have for younger fighters.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna put a spin on this.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: I have a 14-year-old daughter, she is in Taekwondo.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, she is naturally gifted, she is really good at it, okay?
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: And you, me being the fight fan that I am, our Saturday nights, every Saturday night, we treat it like the Super Bowl.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: We order wings, we do the I'm sure your upbringing was very similar.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you're watching the fights with your dad.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's what my kids do with me.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: But my 14-year-old, she is just naturally talented.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: She doesn't have a bit of interest in pursuing that talent whatsoever.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, get after it, Lizzie.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: You're so good.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: What type of advice would you have for somebody in that situation?
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I have a little sister, and uh, I'll be honest with you, she would be able to whoop my butt probably in three years if she actually trained and tried to do it, right?
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: She's more violent than me, she's always been more aggressive, and she's basically stronger than me.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: And people don't believe me, but she's a she's an athlete too, my whole family is.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: And she chose not to pursue it.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: And it's one of those things where I'm completely behind her because it's so hard.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: And it's so terrible.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: And especially because I truly believe you have to find other ways to do it too.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: You have to do something else at the same time.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: And others will say, well, you're not focused 100% on fighting.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: But if you are capable of multitasking and even like a little part-time job as a waitress, which is what I did through Invicta and through college, you know, but I made decent money, I made enough to make a living and have savings once I was done.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_00: And now I've been able to invest and make smarter decisions as I've gotten more money and gotten out of school.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: But find another avenue because it's only gonna last so long, right?
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: If you're 18 years old and you're like, this is all I want to do, I'm dropping out of everything and I'm doing this, it may work.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: It may.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: There's there's cases out there, and I'm not saying, you know, people will be like, oh, she said that the way you did it's bad.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying that, but there's very slim chances that's gonna work.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: I know plenty of people that tried and failed, and now they're back to being some waitress somewhere, you know.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, well, you could have done that anyway the whole time, and now you would have had job history and you could be manager there or something, you know.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: So do something else if you pursue it.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: And if you're not willing to pursue it, then then don't.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: But if you do, you need to have like full discipline, right?
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: It takes so much discipline.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's kind of where my sister sidetracked, too.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, I'm not willing to put in what it takes to get to that level.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, that's fine.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: You do what you want.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's you have to be committed.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I wouldn't push anybody into it, but my children are going, uh, you know, future children are going to learn jujitsu at least so that they can defend themselves.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: And then that's that's exactly it.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's just the discipline of everything, and and and learning that discipline.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: And it's that was the exact answer I was hoping you were going to give.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's funny story.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: Again, another parallel, number three for us, Miranda, is that my son started my son, her younger brother started first, and then she started about a year and a half later.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like, ah, I'll try it.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, she's whooping up on him now.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's in it's I will watch her and testings and everything, and I'm like, dude, really?
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: Come on, Lizzie.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: But she's got she's got her fingers and everything.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: She's in musicals, she's doing the art, she's doing this.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like my dad torments me over it.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: When you have so many talents, it makes her life almost harder because you can't decide which irons in the fire you want to keep going.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right, right, right.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: So, what's in the future?
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: What do you hope happens, say, six months from now?
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: Uh well, I'm hoping to have a fight, renegotiate my contract, get another four-fight contract with the UFC, get paid a little bit more in the meantime, um, and hopefully get up into that top 15 area.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: If they're not gonna pay me enough, I don't care about going to the top 15.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'll keep fighting whoever I can fight until I get paid enough money to be worth going to the top 10, top 15 girls.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I was already there and I didn't get paid enough, definitely when I was there.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: And now I'm back down from what I consider to be one loss, but in some people's eyes, two losses.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: One.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, yeah.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm just waiting for another fight.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: And on the side, of course, I'm gonna be investing my money in what I need to invest it in, hopefully paying off a piece of property that I bought and uh working on kind of purchasing another with my siblings and perhaps starting a business from there.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm already working on my own gear and starting like a manufacturing thing on the side for shirts and gloves and things like that, not just my personal brand, but to where the general public will like them.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and people can see that on my Instagram and stuff.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_00: Shameless plug.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: And uh like the Instagram shop and stuff, but that's a side thing I'm doing.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_00: I I do seminars.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: So if anybody wants me out at their gym, um, I I gladly come out there, travel paid, and come teach whatever I can to people.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: I love that's one thing I'd love doing that.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_00: I started last year.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, last year, and I've done about 30 since then.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I absolutely love it because I get to share my knowledge to kids, to to women, to the guys that are fighters, and at least make some good in people's lives, hopefully, even if it's a couple.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's fantastic.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: And speaking of those two really one loss, do you want to run it back with Macy Barber?
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, but she doesn't want to run it back with me, so I guess we'll have to meet later down the road.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: I've already tried to get a rematch with her, and she's given it a very uh staunch no.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: Jeez.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: What do you have to do to make that happen?
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I don't think she won't have to say yes until we become like top five and have to like fight for contenders.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: So I doubt she fights me again.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: Why would she?
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_00: I don't blame her.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: So is there uh is there anybody else in particular like closer to that ranking that you wanna that you have your sights set on?
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_00: For them to give me an offer, but um, as far as in the rankings, wouldn't mind fighting Jessica I, wouldn't mind fighting Joanne Calderwood.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_00: She's a little bit further up there, both of them, but I think it just comes from which matches you get, right?
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: Rankings don't always mean anything.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_00: But there's a lot of girls that aren't ranked that I just you know raise their hand, I'll fight them.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: Well, hey, I'm gonna give you an opportunity.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: Shameless plug, plug whatever you want, plug away.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: All right, get to double plug now.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so on my Instagram, it's at fear the maverick, Twitter's the same, Facebook's the same.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_00: Go there.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: I have an Instagram shop, I have a Facebook shop, and then I have fearthemaverick.net.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: They all have the same gear on them: hats, shirts, boxing gloves, shin guards, my boxing gloves.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm starting to do some really neat designs.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: I just got done coming out with a camo one that says focused hunter on it with like a deer and stuff.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: Another one that's called uh uh darkness awaits.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was kind of clever, and it has like a galaxy with like yellow cat eyes on it and stuff.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so really neat designs that I'm trying to come out with for that.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then also if you guys want to donate or go there and shop or even donate to the wedding registry that I have, just message me.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: Would love that.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: And hopefully, since they delayed the release of it, they can work you in a cameo and Top Gun 2, right?
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's right, exactly.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: I still haven't even seen my own walkout.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_00: They said it's on Fight Pass, but Fight Pass is having glitches.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I tried all day looking for it.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna, I'm not joking.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: I was sitting at my desk at work and I was like, I gotta find this walkout.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's not on YouTube, it's nowhere because it's fight pass, but fight pass is like having a glitch, it won't even show the other night.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um didn't show the walkout, obviously.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: That kind of frustrated me.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: That three walkouts in a row they haven't shown of mine, but oh well, I tell you what, I am uh I'm glad we got to connect for this.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: This is a lot of fun getting to know your story and getting to know you.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I think we should do this again sometime.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think?
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: Let's do it every fight or something.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, yeah.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: Let's you have my contact, I got yours.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: Miranda Maverick, thank you for doing the show.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: The world is a better place with you in it.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, thank you.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_01: I want to take this opportunity to once again thank Miranda Fear the Maverick for doing the show today.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: Fun story about her.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: I had been messaging back and forth with her on Instagram for a few days, and this came together really last minute, I think within like six or seven hours.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: That just goes to her intestinal fortitude.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: She's awesome.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: Check her out at Fear the Maverick on all forms of social media.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: And while you're checking out people's social media, make sure you give me a like and follow on all forms of social media as well.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: And check out my website at www.cotonhemic.com.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: Give me a follow everywhere.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: It would be much appreciated.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: Make sure you give me that five star review on Apple Podcasts.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: And now Spotify also has a rating system.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: This has been Caught on the Mike with Michael Clark.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Michael Clark.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: Until next time.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.