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Talk Local with Englewood: CityCenter Redevelopment · Talk Local with Englewood

• 0:16
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh well, welcome today to our second edition of Talk Local with Inglewood.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Tim Dodd, I'm the interim city manager.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, very excited to have my guest with me today, uh, Terry Ware, who's our redevelopment manager in our community development department.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so we're gonna be talking about something that's been top of mind uh for a lot of folks um over the last several years.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: I've been in Inglewood a little over six, and this has been a topic of conversation at least that long, if not longer, and it's the redevelopment of the space we're sitting in right now, the Civic Center.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so those of you who have um knowledge and have been around Inglewood for a while know that um there's a lot of history here.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh this was actually a city park where I believe there was a swimming pool where a lot of kids learned to swim.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and then in 1968 or so it became a relatively or actually very well-known mall uh called Cinderella City, and it was a mall for many years.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I've talked to a lot of folks here that have very fond memories of working there, first dates there, first jobs there, things like that.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then uh for about 25 or so years, it's been a transit-oriented village uh that's had some retail, um, some apartments, some homes, um, as well as the offices and uh some of this of the city and also our civic center.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_01: And so for the last couple years, we've been looking at, you know, what could the future be?
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_01: And so uh Terry came to Anglewood uh several months ago with a ton of experience in the metro area leading efforts like this, and so I'm really excited that he's here today to talk about it.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, Terry, why don't we jump right in to probably a huge question, uh, which is based on the history we just talked about, why now?
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, what is the city looking to do with Civic Center?
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_00: Well, thanks, Jim, for having me on the show.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_00: Cities continue to evolve, and I think you know, there's never an end state.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_00: There's never any point where you where you clap your hands and go, Whoa, we're done.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: And so these buildings, these facilities always constantly need uh reinvestment and re-improvement.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_00: So right now we're facing a situation where the initial goal of the redevelopment, transitory development, has kind of waned because culture has changed, work habits have changed, uh, there are a number of retail vacancies in the area, and so I think all that's precipitating this discussion.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: City facilities are aging, community wants something different, and so I think this is an opportune time to begin having that discussion.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_01: Great.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so tell us a little bit about so I know you've only been here a few months, but last year in 2025, uh the city partnered with an organization known as New Englewood LLC, um, and together they reached a property agreement.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, can you talk a little bit about that agreement and kind of what it means going forward for the future of the city center?
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, in this particular case, you have much more background uh and history in this particular case.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_00: But uh New Inglewood has stepped into a situation where they purchased the larger portion of all of the property, which included city facilities as well as some parcels that are adjacent to us, where previously there was an IHOP and Cadoba, and some of those things are still there, Harbor Freight, that property, and then further to the east properties uh right in front of Walmart.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_00: There was then executed, I believe it was in February, an agreement where they transferred a portion of that land, most of the area west of Inca to Santa Fe, back to the city, which includes most of the city facilities.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: So now we're landlords of some retail, strip retail that's across the plaza, the existing city hall, 24-hour fitness.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: We have an option within that agreement to purchase the Tokyo Joe's facility, and then our wonderful parking garage, which is just to the south.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_00: So uh the discussions have really been about the two components.
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  SPEAKER_00: Those include New Englewood's parcels and the city's property.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so much of the discussion has been how do we work together to determine what the future looks like on each of those parcels with the idea that the sum of the parts is going to be greater.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's where we're at is those discussions.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the other night, Monday night, we had a study session and presentation with city council to present a variety of ideas and background on how this might unfold.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thank you.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: And that's actually one of the reasons we wanted to have this conversation this week, two days after the uh city council discussion.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_01: So tell us maybe a little bit more about that discussion.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is there a specific direction?
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: What are what are some of the next steps that came out of that meeting on Monday night?
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: To try and set the stage for that, we conducted a community survey uh over the summer.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: And we got 500 responses, which may not seem like a lot, but given other surveys that have been done, I think that was successful.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_00: And the input from that was from people who lived in every neighborhood around Inglewood, and that was good because it wasn't just those folks that live adjacent to the city center or those folks who may not have any interest.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_00: There seemed to be a lot of interest.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_00: And that really set, I think, the stage for the city council to feel somewhat comfortable that the community had been engaged and they understood what the community wanted out of that.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: The things that came out of that are in many ways are no surprise: parks, open space, areas for community gathering, some conservation efforts for existing city facilities, uh, a concern about fiscal responsibility and how the city spends its money.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_00: So New Englewood presented plans for the area.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: The downtown Englewood Development Association was also part of that discussion because they've developed a downtown plan.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_00: They're collecting revenues from the area between here and the medical district that they can invest in public improvements in that area.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_00: And then the city discussion about the existence of our city facilities, what we see our needs in the future being for the various departments, recognizing what the community wants in terms of public open space and gathering spaces, new library perhaps, or a new cultural arts facility.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: So the discussion was fairly broad, but out of that I think there was consensus from City Council, if not about our specific plan, although there was one that they really latched on to, if you will, but generally about the level of investment, because I think you know it caught them that they want to really try and create some identity for the city, some civic heart, some gathering space.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think what was really encouraging is that they weren't just looking at a five-year or 10-year time horizon.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_00: They were looking at a 20-year time horizon, which I think in this marketplace today is you know admirable, as well as the understanding that, as I mentioned earlier, the evolution of the area will continue.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's really going to be ongoing.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's really, and you kind of describe this really nicely, but the way I look at it is a once-in-a-generation really opportunity.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, we're we're a fully built-out city, you know, we're very different from some cities that are to the north of us or south of us that are really growing horizontally.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so really, really don't have opportunities like this that come up every day, right?
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_01: And so um I think also as we've been looking at kind of how how to revitalize other parts of the city, you know, there's synergy, right, between um the wellness district and Inglewood South and the Broadway downtown corridor and this area, right?
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think it's really important to kind of get those community voices and views around how all those pieces kind of work together.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um I was gonna say I think the challenge that Westminster and other communities have faced, you know, Westminster's trying to build a town center, Aurora's trying to build a town center, Superior is trying to build a town center, is that these areas traditionally, even though Inglewood's closer in, have been developed in a suburban model, you know, large format retail uses.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_00: And so trying to make that transition to more urban pedestrian-oriented environments has been challenging for all of these communities.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_00: And so we're going to sit face a lot of those same challenges.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: Right here around the city core, it's fairly compact, but there's still some distance, and I've walked it frequently to get to South Broadway, and so you're walking past a number of uh empty parking lots and a number of vacant buildings, and so the vision has to be broader than just Civic Center and the property that New Englewood controls, but includes all those properties and property owners between here to Broadway, and so that creates its own set of challenges because people have different interests, different levels of investment.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it actually reminds me a lot of my small hometown in Massachusetts that had a historic downtown going back a couple hundred years, um, and then an area next to it that was really being developed about 15 years ago.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I think to for this to work, right, it needs to kind of again have the synergy with the other retail parts of the city and other um kind of core commercial areas.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: So um you talked a little bit kind of about some future ideas for this space, but on Monday night, uh New Anglewood LLC presented kind of three ideas, right?
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um, for kind of renderings, I guess I should say, for what this space could look like.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to share a little bit about what those are?
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe some of the main, I know you mentioned, you know, cultural elements, where the library could go.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: But do you want to talk maybe a little bit more about those three proposals and maybe how they're similar but also how they're different?
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's a little hard without having some you know uh graphics to to illustrate the different plans, so I'll try as best as I can to describe them.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_00: Plan one, essentially sort of a steady state, if you will.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_00: The existing city facilist facilities, excuse me, stay where they are.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: New Inglewood, as I said, controls what they've referred to as parcel C2, which is where the existing vacant two-story retail uh buildings exist, with Codoba on the bottom floor and what used to be IHOP as the end cap.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_00: And at this end on the west end, uh the retina medical building.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: So in plan one, essentially that all goes away and it's replaced with multi-story residential development of somewhere around three to four hundred units.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: Uh more than likely with a parking structure in the center and the residential wrapping around it.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: Everything else would stay essentially the same.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_00: So that's plan one.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: And based upon some initial analysis, we require no or very little public subsidy.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: Uh any kind of public investment would probably go into the streets or sewer lines, infrastructure, etc.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: And plan two, that's probably their most expansive, most visionary plan, which also required the greatest degree of public subsidy.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: And in that plan, not only were they building residential on parcel C2, but across the street on a parcel that faces Hamden Boulevard, which is where uh Harbor Freight is located, and then there's a vacant mid-sized building to the west end of that block.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: In plan two, that would all go away and it'd be replaced with three to four hundred additional units of multi-story residential development.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: Moving west of Inca, the existing city hall, the old Broadway department store building built in 1985 would be demolished.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: City facilities would move into 24-hour fitness, and then around us, a hotel could be developed, would be developed, uh, another multi-story residential development, and then probably the most interesting element of that plan is uh affordable housing on the upper floors with a cultural arts facility housing someone like Swallow Hill and a new central library.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_00: And so very ambitious, each of those parcels would require its own structured parking, lots of public investment necessary to make that happen.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: But that seemed to be the one that Council uh engaged the most with.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I think because it was visionary, it really talked a lot about creating the plazas and public gathering spaces for concerts and activities that would attract families and kids and a wide variety to be very inclusive of the Inglewood community.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: Plan three was sort of a hybrid of the two.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: It included some of those same elements, city facilities staying here in the existing Broadway department store building, but other development still occurring with it, perhaps a new library, public facilities, parks and open space, and some development of parcel C one facing Inglewood Parkway, and parcel C2, excuse me, facing Hamden Boulevard.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: So sort of a hybrid, still requiring some degree of public investment, but perhaps not as much as Plan 2.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so consuls seem very excited about the visionary portions of Plan 2, it being much more expansive and engaging more of the community.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: So generally, I think that's the direction we're going to end up going.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, now, as I say, the devil's in the details.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_00: How do you make it work?
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  SPEAKER_00: Order the planning pieces that need to be put in place, what's the phasing, and how do you pay for it?
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_01: So you've only been here a few months, um, but you may know this.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: One of our, I guess, brands or areas of focus is what we call uniquely Englewood, right?
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_01: And so, as you probably know, Inglewood is very unique in a lot of ways.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: We have a lot of things that really make us a very special place.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_01: And so my next question is you know, I know we want this to be a uniquely Englewood redevelopment, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And we want it to kind of fit with everything else we're trying to do as a city.
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  SPEAKER_01: And above all else, we want it to be something that the residents and community members want.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but you've you've been around uh doing this type of work, right, for a while in the Metro Denver area.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you've seen other redevelopments that have worked, probably some that haven't worked.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I definitely don't want to ask this question in terms of like, oh, which development or redevelopment do you want this to look like?
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: But but my question is more of the projects you've worked on or things that you've observed, are there lessons learned, you think, from some of the big revitalization or redevelopment projects over the last 30 years that you think could be helpful to us as we develop something that's um going to work well and going to be uniquely England?
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's a really hard question to answer.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, as you said, partly because I've only been here a few months, and really I see my role, the role of staff, is doing the analysis and presenting a variety of options to city council and to the community for them to make those decisions and to bring forth what that image is as you've described it.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: What is it that makes it unique in their eyes?
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: And we touched a little bit upon that uh in the community survey that we did.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, there's a focus on a lot of the local businesses that occur along South Broadway, the type of housing that's in the area, the density that's there.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: So to the degree that there is a division defined by the community, I think that's it.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: I say that because relative to my experience in other projects, a lot of what's happened in these other projects really is determined by the marketplace, what's feasible.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: So I know oftentimes that the challenge is that people want small businesses that reflect the community.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's a coffee shop or you know, a restaurant, and it's difficult to incorporate that into a lot of newer developments because of the cost factor.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: You know, everybody has to go to the bank to get money.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: And so developers are in that same situation.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: So when you go to the bank and you say, we're gonna build a new development and we want retail on the ground floor, well, is it gonna be Mama's Noodles that you know has a lot of history in the community, or is it gonna be a chain, a subway?
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: And from a banker's perspective, they tend to lean towards the subway because they know they're credit A tenants, they've been in business forever, and that's the challenge.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know, how do you integrate the sort of local mom and pop's uh local architecture into that?
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: I do think that there are some, there is a key element though that sounds very pragmatic, which is sort of like, well, we need electricity and we need water kind of question.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: And that really comes down to the issue of parking.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think about the development ninth in Colorado Boulevard, one thing that made that a very successful development is twofold.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: One, they had a developer continuum who is very visionary and is in it for the long term.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: And the second thing that they had was parking.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: And as dry a detail, as dry a subject as parking is, that really makes a difference in how it unfolds.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and the other part is revenue.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: So I worked on the redevelopment of Stapleton, and Four City came in there and they were able to develop the retail along Quebec Street, King Supers, Walmart, and that really generated the revenue that they needed to do the infrastructure investment.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: I worked on uh the redevelopment of the old Villa Italia shopping center in Belmore.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: Once again, Continuum was a developer there and they were in it for the long term, and so having a good developer who's interested in the long-term vision and is going to be there for the long-term investment is gonna be key.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: We'll see where New Englewood falls in that.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully, they're gonna be in it for the long term.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: And then provisional parking, which allows density to occur, is the other thing.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: Once again, those are pretty dry subjects.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: They're not as visionary as building a new carousel or a new park.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: But that's really sort of the successful pieces that I've seen in other these other developments.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe talk to me a little bit about those successful developments, but also what you see here relative to how a new um in a redevelopment can tie back to history.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: So, as you know, right across the hall here, we have a museum sponsored by a local uh historical society that's all about Englewood's history.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: Their first exhibit was all about Cinderella City.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's still some signage and some other elements left.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, how do you think um, you know, we could, the city and its partners could revitalize the space in a way that also has a nod to the unique, uniquely Englewood history of this area?
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well, at least from the plans that have been discussed so far, the two things that have popped out in terms of structures are the library.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: You know, having a new library that really attracts and is open to the community, having kids feel safe coming there, having parents and families coming there.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: And then the other part is a cultural arts historic facility.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: And so I really think that's the opportunity where we can bring in those elements of historic Englewood and Inglewood Arts, as well as existing entertainment facilities and users and organizations from outside the area who want to be here, they really will really give the opportunity to create a unique identity for this.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, you know, how we get there, how we pay for it, for me, I mean, that's really I see my role as taking the vision that the communities articulate it and trying to make it happen, make it real.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think it'll be challenging, but I think that's the direction we're going.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you mentioned a little bit about kind of the financing, and I think one of the terms that was uh brought up quite a bit on Monday night is this concept of a uh financing stack.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, do you mind just at a very high level telling our listeners what is what is a financing stack?
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: What does that mean?
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe what are some at a again very high level, some of the financing options that the city could look at?
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: During the presentation, uh there was one particular graphic and we identified at least 12 different funding sources.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: Some of those are more real than others.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, as an example, the city receives community development block grant funds, but we don't receive a lot, and most of those are dedicated to housing programs and community programs.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: There's tax increment financing, which is probably one of the most utilized tools, and the downtown Inglewood Development Authority has a tax increment district that they've established that starts at the medical district and continues over to Santa Fe Drive.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: Portions of it, without getting into a lot of technical details, are operating now where they're collecting sales and property tax.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: There are other areas such as around City Center where they haven't started the clock, if you will, of collecting revenues from this area.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: So that's certainly one way.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: The issue of general obligation bonds is another way where communities come together through a vote to determine what community facilities are they going to build.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I know, you know, uh the city recently in 2024 did an issuance for parks and park improvements.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: So it would be along those lines, but we want to be sure to identify what is it that the community values.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: I keep coming back to the idea of a library.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: Out of the survey, people seem to think that a new library might be a good investment.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's certainly one way to get there.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: There are grants through DOLA, through the state, uh, that might be available for planning activities.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: If we talk about affordable housing, usually you're talking about uh LITEC, low income housing tax credits that are managed by uh Colorado Housing Finance Authority.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: There's a middle income housing tax credit program that was writ recently initiated.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: By the state a couple of years ago.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: So there are a wide variety, and when we talk about stacking, it means that each of those will have some role in financing different portions of the project.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: If it's infrastructure, so roadways and new parkways, pedestrian facilities, it's more than likely going to be TIFF revenues from the economic from excuse me, from the downtown development authority.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: If it's bonding, we might issue those.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: There's going to be private finance that the developers are going to bring to the table, which includes both debt financed by banks, as well as equity, which is going to be private investors that invest in the development organization that are going to look for some rate of return.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: So that's sort of the 10,000 foot level until we get deeper into it to understand what facilities we need, when they're going to be built, what kind of revenue, if any, is going to be received from those, then we'll have a better idea, and that picture will change over time.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: For sure.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we're kind of rounding the corner, Terry.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: We're almost uh almost at time.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but one of my last questions for you is there's a lot going on, some really exciting things.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: You mentioned a survey.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: What are some ways that members of the community and our listeners can stay up on what's going on and how can they be involved in the future?
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's certainly clear that City Council wants and is going to push to get the community engaged throughout this process.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh there's a website that they can go to, the city's website, which we continually update.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: The developers, New Inglewood, also have a website that they can go to to receive updates.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so, and I'm committed to community engagement throughout this because it's going to be uh opposing opinions, it's going to be conversations that are going to make this project real and make it worthwhile.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, the idea that, you know, I know some people are, well, there's we don't have a role in this.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: No, absolutely not.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: There may not be a vote that occurs per se, but you know, who knows as we unroll this.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: But I know City Council, as I said, is committed to making sure that the voices of the community are heard and that those ideas are incorporated into these efforts as we go forward.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and as you mentioned, Terry, of course, like for this to succeed and for this to be a really special and unique project for Englewood, we need those voices from the community.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: And so there'll be many opportunities.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: We've had a few open houses.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, as you mentioned, there's a website, it's uh engage.inglewoodco.gov slash city center hyphen redevelopment.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: We'll drop that in the show notes as well.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but as we wrap up, Terry, is there anything else you'd like our listeners to know about the project?
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I often see my job as managing expectations.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: And so this isn't gonna happen next year.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, really, and I think members of city council recognize that, and that was one of the pluses that came out of that discussion.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's not a five-year vision, it's not a 10-year vision, it may well be a 20-year vision because as I said at the very beginning, these things are going to continue to evolve, and the marketplace changes, financing changes, the sites are gonna mu morph into different things, and so really I just hope that people you know manage their expectations about what's gonna happen, but stay engaged and involved.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: Sounds good.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you for being my second guest um on the Talk Local with Inglewood podcast.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um Tim Da, the interim city manager here of the City of Inglewood.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and we've had Terry Ware, our redevelopment manager from community development, on with us today.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, if you you mentioned the Park Spawn, that was actually my last guest, uh, Gina Oberding a couple weeks ago.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we talked about that project, and we have another episode in store um that'll be hitting in November.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you, Terry.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's been great to have you on the pod and uh hope you have a great day.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Tim.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't discuss sports at all, but that's okay.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.