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129 // What Is LDN and Can It Help with Hashimoto's ⎸ Interview with Pharmacist Steve Anderson · Health with Hashimoto’s - Thyroid or Immune Education for Autoimmune Thyroid Disease

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  Welcome to this super special episode of Health with Hashimoto's.
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  I am so excited for you to listen in.
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  On this episode, I interviewed a pharmacist. So a little backstory,
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  I have had LDN the last couple winters.
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  And when I got my prescription this winter, I had to get it from a new pharmacy.
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  And when it came, it came with a gorgeous packet of information along with what
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  LDN is and how to track my symptoms.
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  It was so well done that I reached out to the pharmacy and I was like,
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  hey, can I interview one of your pharmacists?
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  So you are going to hear this interview with Steve Anderson.
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  I forgot to ask him how people can contact him or work with him.
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  So if you are in Minnesota or Wisconsin, I do have a link and I will put that
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  down in the show notes how you can access his pharmacy.
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  Another way is in our school community, skool.com is school,
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  and we are the Health with Hashimoto's community.
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  In there, before the interview, I asked our community, what questions do you
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  have for the pharmacist?
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  And so I was able to ask a lot of those questions during this interview.
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  And Steven Anderson is going to come into our school community and he's going
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  to do a call with us at the end of January.
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  So if you are in our school community, you can hop on that call and you can
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  ask him questions whether or not you live in Minnesota or Wisconsin.
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  He is there to help us all learn about LDN, how it can benefit people with autoimmune problems.
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  And to answer our questions, he is a pharmacist at The Apothecary.
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  It is again in Minnesota and Wisconsin, and he is going to be serving all of
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  us in the school community at the end of January. So come over to the school
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  community so you can get in on that live call.
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  All right, here is the interview. This episode is a little longer than my normal
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  episodes because I wanted to ask him all of these questions.
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  Enjoy the interview and I will see you in our school community.
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  Welcome back to Health with Hashimoto's.
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  Today, I have a special guest. You guys are going to love this podcast episode.
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  We have Steve Anderson, and he is a pharmacist. He is going to tell us all about LDN.
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  If you haven't heard of that, you're going to find out what it is,
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  how it might benefit you if you have Hashimoto's.
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  Steve, thank you so much for being here. Let me introduce you.
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  Steve Anderson is a pharmacist and owner of The Apothecary. It's a compounding pharmacy since 1994.
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  Over the past 30 years, he has combined his expertise in functional and integrative
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  medicine with advanced training in naturopathic approaches to health.
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  The apothecary provides personal compounded medications for individual needs
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  and offers a wide selection of quality nutraceuticals, vitamins, and supplements.
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  And outside of his work, Steve enjoys spending time with his wife,
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  four kids, and two grandkids.
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  They play a lot of sports and outdoor adventures at the
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  lake thank you so much for joining us today
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  and can you kick us off by telling us like what
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  is a compounding pharmacy thanks for having me today oh so compounding pharmacy
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  is where we're licensed pharmacy like others but you know all pharmacies can
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  compound most pharmacies probably don't do a lot of compounding just you know
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  they you know getting occasional prescription here there we've decided to you know years back
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  to, you know, focus on compounding and preparing medications.
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  So it's preparing medications that aren't commercially made.
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  Just to give some ideas of some things that why we get asked to compound,
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  could be somebody who's allergic to medications, they have sensitivities to
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  things, sometimes for children or hospice patients, you know,
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  they can't swallow pills anymore.
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  So we might make a cream or suppository or some oral suspension that they can take.
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  We do some veterinary medication a little bit too, same, kind of the same principle
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  as pediatrics, just getting lower doses of things for the pets.
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  One of the areas, we do a lot of hormone therapies as well.
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  So what they call bioidentical hormone
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  therapies too, because that's very individualized dosing for the person.
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  So know, of estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, they use, you know,
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  it's very individualized dosing on that too.
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  That is something that needs to be compounded. There's not commercially made
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  products for, you know, for this whole range of strength that people need.
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  So things of that nature, just things that aren't commercially made and specialty
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  items that for, you know, very individualized patients need.
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  Very cool. Well, I know that when I got my most recent prescription for LDN,
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  the pharmacist I used to use or the pharmacy I used to use was out of business.
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  And so my PA looked around and found your pharmacy.
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  And I am so impressed with the information I got.
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  I got a full little packet with some flyers all about LDN, a symptom tracker, a welcome letter.
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  I was blown away. I love it. So can you tell us what is LDN and how could it
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  benefit somebody with an autoimmune problem?
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  Okay, yeah. So LDN stands for low-dose naltrexone. It's not a commercial-made product.
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  So that's why we get asked to compound it, get like the hormone therapies,
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  very individualized dosing in the end, you know, to find the right dose for
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  the right person, but it, it works on the immune system. So it was,
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  it was like a lot of good discoveries.
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  It was an accidental discovery. There's a higher dose of naltrexone that they
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  use for different things.
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  Not sure exactly how they got to this lower dose spectrum of it.
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  I think probably part of it is the high dose causes a lot of side effects.
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  So they use lower dosing to hopefully avoid some of that too.
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  But it's kind of interesting within that framework, once they started using
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  lower doses of it for that issue they use it for, people started to note, God, my pain is less.
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  My inflammation seems better. I feel better. I have a better mood.
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  And it was probably perplexing to the docs because they're like,
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  well, this medication doesn't do that.
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  So, but it was kind of an overtime discovery of, so they find out in the end
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  that it has two big actions that can help for pain and inflammation,
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  including, you know, all autoimmune conditions.
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  It increases the endorphin levels in the body.
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  By a large degree and you know most people think well
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  endorphins that helps for pain and it and it does but if
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  you really if you look into an endorphins affect our whole body
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  you know bone health heart two degrees has very good brain health mental health
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  aspects as well it's just uplifting and people feel better on it which is a
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  a great aspect of it that people aren't even aware of and nobody's unhappy about
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  that part of it the other side of its action you know and i'm not sure exactly if it's 50-50 or what,
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  but the other huge side, it's working on the immune system side,
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  improving that and increasing many of our body's anti-inflammatory markers that are naturally present.
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  So in the end, endorphin increase is helpful because most autoimmune,
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  not all of them, I guess, Hashimoto's not necessarily pain involved with it,
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  but nonetheless, that's there, but that, You know, it's always having anti-inflammatory
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  action from on the body, from head to toe.
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  So as far as autoimmune, very, we have many, many prescriptions on the Hashimoto side.
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  That's a very common one. But really, technically, any autoimmune inflammatory
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  condition is beneficial for it. It doesn't really matter the diagnosis.
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  You know, LDN is not treating a particular diagnosis.
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  It's just, in the end, just making the body work better. So it's helping normalize
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  the immune system through its actions.
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  And maybe somebody can't explain exactly the precise aspect of how it's doing that.
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  But in the end, the end result, it's doing all these things that that's what is happening.
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  That's awesome. I love it when we can find things that help the body work better,
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  like the body do what it's supposed to do. Yeah.
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  Yeah. So how does it affect labs? Does it affect hormone replacement therapy?
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  And does it affect any other supplements? Can you go over them?
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  Actually, I would say it's as far as other questions,
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  The first part, other supplements, I would say all of them are just complementary
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  or beneficial with low-dose altruxone.
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  If you think about it, if it's lowering inflammation in the whole body,
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  inflammation is just a disruptor of everything.
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  So if you've got inflammation bogging up your body, the proper signaling and
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  communication isn't done properly too.
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  So by removing the inflammation, that's opening up all the pathways in your
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  body that, you know, that are necessary to get hormones,
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  mediators, you know, so the hormones, just even in the brain as well,
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  serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine.
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  GABA, all the brain neurotransmitters, when you have inflammation clogging out
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  the pathways, you know, they don't get to the receptor site.
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  So, you're clearing up the pathways to make everything work better.
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  So, in theory, your supplements, when you take those, are going to be more beneficial then.
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  So, the LDN is clearing up the body to make things work more efficiently,
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  and it's going to help the supplements.
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  As far as the labs are going, there's no labs necessary for this, technically.
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  It's, you know, if somebody has autoimmune conditions, more than likely their
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  providers have done different inflammatory labs, CRP,
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  RA, I don't even know all of them, but there's numerous ones that are measuring
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  some aspect of inflammation or autoimmune things.
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  It's not necessary to do that on this, but their docs are doing the labs anyway.
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  We see those coming down over time, you know, so that actually with Hashimoto's,
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  it's TPO and the thyroid antibodies.
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  So with the LDN, it has the ability given the right dose and time to bring labs down.
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  So it should just have a positive impact on those labs.
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  If they're being taken, it's not going to interfere.
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  It doesn't interfere with any other medications. You can take LDN,
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  just begin it without regard to other medications other than opioid or narcotic
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  drugs. That's the only thing it interferes with.
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  But it'll affect labs in positive ways. You mentioned on the thyroid side and
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  on the hormone side, in the end, if it's doing what it's doing,
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  lowering inflammation, opening up the pathways, the body can work more efficiently in those ways.
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  So it could improve the labs as they're on the LDN, too, where they're,
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  because we do hormone therapies, they may have to lower their hormone dose as
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  they get down the road because their body's just working more effectively.
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  A lower dose will work better.
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  We have many of those that began LDN have to lower their thyroid dose in the
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  end because the information's being lowered.
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  The pathway, again, pathways are better.
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  Whatever thyroid you have present in the body is going to get to the site better,
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  more effectively, and work better.
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  So it's not uncommon to see when the labs are done in thyroid,
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  they might come up a little high.
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  Not the TPO side, but the actual T3, T4, reverse T3, whatever is being checked.
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  Because the levothyroxine or armor thyroid, whatever you're taking,
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  you don't need as much anymore because it's working better. So that's one thing
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  you have to watch for if you're taking LDN and on thyroid medication. That's so interesting.
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  So is LDN something people would have to take the rest of their life?
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  We go to conferences on this and that gets asked all the time.
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  In the audience, there's a lot of doctors learning about it as well too.
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  But the response to that is, well, if somebody has some circumstance,
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  some inflammatory injury or whatnot going on, If they're taking the LDN and
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  maybe they take it for a year or two and they get assessed that it's like,
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  okay, everything's back to normal where, you know, there's no issue here whatsoever.
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  You know, you could go off the LDN at that point if you've addressed that circumstance.
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  But there's a huge argument to be made to take it the rest of your life,
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  you know, as it's, you know, because behind pretty much, I think it's agreed
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  by most, you know, disease states are inflammatory and processed.
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  And we have, we just have this, you know, just plethora of autoimmune conditions
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  just across, you know, just across the country.
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  So, you know, and if you have this inflammatory process going on,
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  so if you're taking something that's lowering inflammation in your body every
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  day that you take it, you know, in theory,
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  that can prevent some of these auto, if somebody is healthy,
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  you know, that can prevent some of these autoimmune inflammatory conditions
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  from even, you know, arising. things.
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  You know to a certain state i mean when
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  you're 100 years old you know maybe you know it's it's going to
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  maybe run out of a little bit of juice then but you
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  know because of that aspect of it too just preventative and
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  you know to get that say because cardiovascular disease is inflammatory and
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  in underlying nature which is people we've known that for a long time but also
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  i think a huge part of it now that we understand that the some of the newer
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  understanding of low-dose cell trexone that's even arisen just the last couple of years.
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  So it's actually gotten a little bit lower dosing level than has been traditionally understood.
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  It's really opened up this whole positive aspect of just brain health, mental health aspect.
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  And that's, you know, we follow up with everyone that begins on their prescriptions
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  here at the LDN to help, you know, help most of the providers we work with will
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  have us help guide and monitor the dosing.
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  You know, we just, we don't know anybody's best doses, so you just start low
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  and then you taper up slowly and gradually to find whatever the best individualized
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  dose for the person is for whatever they're taking it for.
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  But it's, you know, the starting...
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  Point dose dosing point has lowered
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  over the last few years because they've found understood that
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  it has this very good mental health brain
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  health aspect so people in the early stages when they first started they just
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  said gas i just feel better i have more energy you know my mood is better you
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  know my anxiety is less you know my you know just even brain fog and memory
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  too there's There's a lot of kind of long COVID from that.
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  For instance, one long-term aspect of that is just brain fog.
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  And so it's just, again, it's just this brain health action that is a benefit too.
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  So again, that's kind of one of those long-term scenarios that you just,
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  we'd all like to be in good mood and, you know, good memory.
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  Not feeling anxious, having good energy, you know, is our whole life. Right.
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  So there's a huge argument to be made just to stay on it your whole life.
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  And even people are choosing to just go on it just for that reason,
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  you know, understanding that.
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  So a lot of the medical providers that are at the conferences that start to
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  understand all these things, even, you know, the young ones with no issues, they're all taking it.
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  Interesting. Yeah, it is. It's really interesting.
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  So if somebody has any of that, long COVID, brain fog, Hashimoto's,
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  and they decide to go on LDN, how do they know when to go up or down?
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  Because I mean, in the ER, when I was working there, it was always bigger is better.
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  That's what people come in feeling like. If it's not working, you just go big.
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  What is it with LDN? It's a quirky medication. You know, the high dose does
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  totally different 50 milligram tablets.
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  They use it in treatment centers, you know, for opioid or alcohol abuse.
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  So, again, the discovery of
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  this low dose was accidental, and it's an entirely different medication.
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  I mean, it doesn't even make sense at all what it's doing.
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  But the literature is there. There's tons of literature out there on that that
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  explains, you know, the details of it.
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  But the dosing to have success, what we found, you just need somebody to help
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  guide that and at least bounce things off as you're taking up the dose. So we just start low.
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  From our place, we'll follow up once a month. We just tell the patients that
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  are out, just call anytime you have any questions or anything.
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  We're here to help to the best of our ability.
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  Find your best dose for whatever that's going to be to try to,
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  you know, to slide into that range. If you get too high of a dose,
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  you know, you start to get some side effects.
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  There's not much for side effects with this, but it's you, as you're tapering
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  up, trying to find that if you
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  get to a dose, it causes some annoying side effects, you know, if it does.
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  So it just gives you a sign that you just have to work on the,
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  you know, tighten the dose up a little bit. But it could be a headache or an
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  upset stomach, you know, gut, you know, GI, gastrointestinal things.
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  It could be nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, you know, constipation.
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  It could be a little tired or fatigue. You know, it's doing a lot.
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  It's the immune system and it's doing a lot of internal things, changes.
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  It's transitioning to hopefully better states and stuff.
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  So that takes a little energy. So some people might get a little tired,
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  fatigued in the early stages.
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  You'll see some things on, you know, vivid dreams. Typically,
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  it's not like nightmares or terrors or anything like that, but part of that
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  is people are getting a different sleep state too, so it can change their dreams.
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  So it's vivid. It's just colorful dreams.
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  Somebody's dream, they don't notice much of a difference, but a lot of people
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  say, it's kind of actually interesting.
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  So they are colorful, and it's kind of enjoyable in a way. So the side effects
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  will tell you if you're too high, hone in on the dose.
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  But it's really important to find that best dose for a person.
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  You can't guess what their dose is.
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  And our thought is there's really what we've seen working with thousands of,
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  of those over the years on their dose too there's really no reason in the world
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  why it shouldn't help anybody because it's with every dose you're increasing
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  the endorphins you're helping the immune system increase all the anti-inflammatory markers so,
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  there's the so that's what the drug is influencing the body to do that you know there's really.
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  There's really no reason why it should but you need to just try to find the
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  right dose for the person.
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  And sometimes it's just, there's a little time element as well.
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  Okay. And one of the people in the community, Wendy, she wanted to know what
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  the best time is to take it.
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  And she's read that it does cause vivid dreams like you were talking about,
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  and that those can sometimes go away after a couple of weeks.
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  So what would be the best time?
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  Yeah, that's correct. It's typically more of the side effects,
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  these things that we mentioned before, most of the time it occurs
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  when people first start on it and if they're
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  on too high of a dose uh you know that's just if they notice that
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  we just say we go lower because it's starting to again affect
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  immune system and endorphins and you know so it's you know
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  it's if somebody's perfectly healthy they you know
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  they probably don't need to take ldn but most people
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  are taking it got there are issues going on too so to
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  get to a better state you have to transition to that
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  state you know too so that's it's so it just stirs things up
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  a little bit so the sleep part if
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  you it's always traditionally been said to take it
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  that time and usually in the
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  early stages if it does cause some issues with keeping a person
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  up or vivid dreams it can go away uh for most people it'll go away if you you
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  know kind of knuckle through it and and do that if it's a little more troublesome
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  we just tell people to take it at beef supper time okay just take it earlier
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  on that too and that that should alleviate in the short term, in the end,
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  it shouldn't matter either way if you take it earlier or later.
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  But there are some people that long-term, it'll affect their sleep in some way.
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  So they just take it earlier.
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  But typically people take it at bedtime?
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  Yeah, we usually tell them just take it in the evening, maybe when they start,
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  just to take it earlier, just to hopefully avoid that issue in the end.
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  But now it's very common now with some of the newer understanding of its great
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  benefits for the mental health, brain health too.
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  So we have many of those that start on it now. Most of that that we start with
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  actually take it twice a day.
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  It's just kind of a newer understanding of it. And the low dose in the morning,
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  less than a milligram, half a milligram or less, it's still increasing the endorphins
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  and the anti-inflammatory markers in the body.
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  But for whatever reason, there's a greater impact on mental health and brain
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  health with that low dose in the morning and energy.
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  So that is just within the last few years, that understanding has come about.
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  And that's what we've seen with thousands of people over the last couple of
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  years as that's the dosing schedule the docs have been ordering.
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  Very good benefits on the mental health, brain health, which,
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  again, everybody's really happy about that.
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  They weren't aware of that. That was even an aspect of this.
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  And then the evening dose is the one that ends up.
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  Being adjusted up to higher levels if needed
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  for the autoimmune disease so the
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  the twice daily dosing we've seen that and
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  it's it's it's borne out with all these patients we've worked with is lower
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  dose in the morning for energy and then the higher and mood and stuff too if
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  and most people will notice that earlier on so they'll stay there and then then
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  the second part is you know how oh, their autoimmune issues are coming,
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  and then the evening dose is the one that,
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  which is kind of the traditional dosing.
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  This is the one that you go up to whatever level that person needs to hopefully
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  start balancing out and recalibrating some of their autoimmune conditions,
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  whatever the autoimmune is.
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  So if somebody has been on LDN for a while and they have that evening dose that's
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  pretty set for them, if they added a morning dose, would they subtract that
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  from the evening dose or would it be above and beyond? How does that work?
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  Oh, that's a good question. I don't think there's a black and white answer on
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  that, but I think overall from what we picked up our confidence,
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  they're actually two separate doses.
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  Well, there's overlapping activity, but the morning dose, like you were saying,
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  we'll make adjustments on that
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  accordingly if there's benefits needed or adjustments on the brain health,
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  mental health side, And then the evening one will be more on the autoimmune
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  type conditions outside of that, the other brain health, mental health side of things.
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  I have one more question from the community, and this is from Colleen.
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  And she says that LDN was the medication that helped her feel normal.
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  She's really interested in hearing more about it. On the podcast,
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  I talk a lot about finding our root causes.
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  She says, I tried many treatments, medications, dietary strategies for a few
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  years, but I still struggled. My doctor finally prescribed LDN,
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  which helped me feel normal.
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  Did I shortchange my healing by taking LDN and not finding my root cause?
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  That was a fascinating question. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.
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  Okay, yeah, thank you. Well, I'll try on that, too. Yeah, there's just,
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  well, you know, there's a lot of factors with health, too.
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  And I know with your podcast, too, you talk, you know, there's dietary issues,
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  there's environmental issues that can create troubles as well, too.
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  So probably, you know, whatever the underlying root of the autoimmune thing
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  is, it's got to be something on the environmental, dietary side as part of the root of it.
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  But the LDN, it's not pushing or pulling the body anywhere where it doesn't want to go.
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  And this is not, I'm not an immunologist, right?
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  I don't have the background there. But just in the conferences,
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  too. I mean, in the end, kind of the summary is LDN is helping normalize the
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  immune system activity on that, too.
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  But if you think about it, it's helping normalize the immune system's ability
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  to work better and help us better and do a better job of what it's supposed
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  to do because you're removing the inflammation.
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  And that's, you know, one of the root causes of why we're having all these things
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  going on is the inflammation that's causing all these issues.
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  But I mean, there's one step behind that too. It's like what's causing the inflammation, you know, too.
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  So, you know, and I guess with the LDN, I guess you would say it probably doesn't
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  matter what the, you know,
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  what the particular autoimmune issue is or what it's the underlying thing is
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  you don't really have to identify that because through its actions,
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  it should be helping the body work towards,
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  in a way, starting to help resolve that.
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  Circumstance, whatever it is, just, you know, by doing, you know,
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  again, the endorphin increased immune systems working better.
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  So it should be helping get after that and just helping the body do a better
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  job what it's supposed to do. I mean, is that, is that kind of what?
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  Yeah. Yeah. That's great. I mean, helping the body do what it's supposed to
• 25:58
  do. That's, that's our goal. I love that. Thank you.
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  And it thinks that's what she was asking then too, but it, yeah,
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  I know there, they're a little worried about using low-dose naltrexone.
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  Doctors prescribing it for people with autoimmune issues that are on the biologics,
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  typically these injections that people think of that.
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  And again, they're kind of dampening and calming down the immune system and
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  helping the symptoms there.
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  And they're worried like LDN is because it's helping the immune system.
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  Their idea was, well, it's stimulating the immune system. And that's not what
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  we need with these biologics. that would be going against each other,
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  but it's not stimulating the immune system.
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  It's just helping normalize it.
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  I love that. Well, thank you so much for answering all these questions.
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  And for you listeners, Steve has agreed to come to our school community and
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  do a question and answer session over there.
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  So make sure you are in the school community, skool.com, health with Hashimoto's.
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  And I will have it in the calendar once Steve and I figure out a date.
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  It will be in January or February sometime so that you can get your questions
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  answered for as many as we have time for.
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  And thank you so much again, Steve, for answering these questions and being
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  willing to come back and do a personalized Q&A. I appreciate it.
• 27:23
  Okay. You're welcome. Thank you. This podcast is for informational and educational purposes only.
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  Music.