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The Kenny Report | 25 June · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Live from the sky New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 3: Well, good evening. I'm Jamie Rodgers filling in for Chris
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Speaker 3: Kenny tonight. We're coming up on the program as O
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Speaker 3: Boss Mike Burgess warns Australia's terror threat is worse than
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Speaker 3: the official level suggests. Former Foreign Affairs Minister Alexander Downer
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Speaker 3: joins me to unpack the growing security risk facing our nation.
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Speaker 3: The government is being accused of sabotaging the housing market.
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Speaker 3: Chief economists at the Institute of Public Affairs Adam Crichton
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Speaker 3: with his analysis. And we have a new political party,
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Speaker 3: Community Strong Australia, was launched by Teal independents Zalie Stegel
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Speaker 3: and Allegraspender. So what does this mean for the community
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Speaker 3: independent movement. Well, Australia is becoming a more dangerous place.
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Speaker 3: That's the warning from Australia's spy chief Mike Burgess. He
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Speaker 3: says the threat level of probable doesn't tell the full story,
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Speaker 3: that politically motivated violence is becoming more likely.
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Speaker 4: Probable does not tell the full story. We do know
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Speaker 4: the environment is degrading and acts of politically motivated violence
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Speaker 4: are becoming more likely than probable suggests we cannot stop
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Speaker 4: every terrorist, just as we cannot catch every spy.
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Speaker 3: And mister Burgess also said that AZIO had stopped fourteen
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Speaker 3: significant terrorism cases since the Bondaim massacre. Iran backed networks
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Speaker 3: could be carrying out arson, vandalism and even assassinations right
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Speaker 3: here on Australian soil, and global terrorist organizations like ISIS
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Speaker 3: and al Qaida are once again re emerging. Now. At
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Speaker 3: exactly the same time of these warnings, the Albanesi government
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Speaker 3: confirmed Australia's last remaining ISIS bride will now be allowed
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Speaker 3: to return Hoigh. This woman had a temporary exclusion order
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Speaker 3: against her due to her potential security risk. Home a
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Speaker 3: Fairs Minister Tony Burke tried to reassure voters this morning,
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Speaker 3: explaining the level of monitoring she will receive.
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Speaker 5: She will have to report and we will have to
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Speaker 5: know where she lives, where she works, where she studies,
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Speaker 5: if she books a ticket to anywhere. For telecommunications, you
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Speaker 5: cannot use any telecommunications device without twenty four hours notice
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Speaker 5: being given, and that applies to a phone, to an
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Speaker 5: email account, to anything on the internet, even if you
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Speaker 5: want to use a public phone.
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Speaker 6: It's twenty four.
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Speaker 5: Hours notice any social media. Twenty four hours notice on
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Speaker 5: everything has to be given so that there will be
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Speaker 5: a very high level of scrutiny and surveillance and we
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Speaker 5: have gone absolutely to the legal limit that we're able
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Speaker 5: to now.
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Speaker 3: Shadow Home Affairs Minister John O Dunnam, he said on
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Speaker 3: am Agenda the government could have stopped her return.
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Speaker 7: The Minister can revoke these permits for returns. We've asked
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Speaker 7: for a briefing, but it is not a good outcome,
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Speaker 7: particularly when last night, as this permit was being sorted out,
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Speaker 7: Mike Burdess was talking about the threats to our national
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Speaker 7: security and of course these isis brides are I think
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Speaker 7: a group of people that do continue to pose a
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Speaker 7: threat to our security.
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Speaker 3: So here's the question. Mister Burke is trying to reassure
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Speaker 3: Australians that safety won't be an issue as this woman
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Speaker 3: will now have twenty four hour surveillance. So how much
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Speaker 3: is this going to cost tax payers? The bill won't
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Speaker 3: be cheap. Plus every hour spent monitoring one high risk
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Speaker 3: individual is an hour that can't be spent anywhere else.
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Speaker 3: And for how long will be monitoring these isis brides.
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Speaker 3: Neil Fergus security expert and CEO of Intelligent Risk said
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Speaker 3: on two GB that monitoring these women it's going to
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Speaker 3: be a big challenge.
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Speaker 8: Yes, it is challenging. Mark There no question that it's
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Speaker 8: going to test our services, notably the AFP of course,
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Speaker 8: but we have the ability to put control orders on
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Speaker 8: and we're just going to have to own it and
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Speaker 8: do it.
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Speaker 3: At a time when AZO is warning australia security environment
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Speaker 3: is becoming more dangerous, we allow these ISIS linked women back.
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Speaker 3: These women made a conscious choice to turn their backs
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Speaker 3: on our country and align themselves with Islamic state. Mike
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Speaker 3: Burgess has delivered the warning. Australians have heard it. The
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Speaker 3: question now is when will this government start listening. The
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Speaker 3: biggest myth in Australian politics has been exposed. The Teals
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Speaker 3: were never really independents. They were a political party hidden
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Speaker 3: as a movement, sharing donors, volunteers, campaign infrastructure and the
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Speaker 3: same agenda. Today, Zali Stegel and a Legraspender confirmed what
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Speaker 3: we all. They were a party and now it's official.
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Speaker 3: Despite numerous times saying being independent was the best way
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Speaker 3: to serve their community and as an independent I'll be
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Speaker 3: free to vote on what's right and what's fair to everyone.
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Speaker 9: This is what independence can do, is they can truly
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Speaker 9: stand for the values of the community.
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Speaker 3: I'm absolutely proud to be an independent.
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Speaker 9: I think this is what the Parliament needs, is actually
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Speaker 9: strong independence holding the government to account.
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Speaker 10: When we turned Warringer independent in twenty nineteen, you know,
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Speaker 10: the talk was all that it was just a personality
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Speaker 10: thing and a pushback from the previous member. I would
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Speaker 10: argue this electorate has embraced the new style of politics.
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Speaker 11: The community is really happy to be represented by an independent,
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Speaker 11: to have a real voice and a real seat at
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Speaker 11: the table in Parliament. I think the big party machine
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Speaker 11: is broken and has lost touch with communities and I
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Speaker 11: think my re election shows that we're in a Turning
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Speaker 11: independent in twenty nineteen is not a slop.
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Speaker 3: So this new party is called Community Strong Australia and
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Speaker 3: it's being sold as something different. Zally Stegel says it's
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Speaker 3: a centrist movement, a middle ground, but be careful. Allegra
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Speaker 3: and Zali's voting record tells a very different story. Time
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Speaker 3: and again tlmps have sided with the Greens on major legislation.
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Speaker 3: The voting record of Zali Stegel, so she has voted
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Speaker 3: with the Greens seventy two percent of the time, while
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Speaker 3: Allegra Spender sixty six percent. Now, by contrast, Opposition leader
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Speaker 3: Angus Taylor has voted with the Greens just six percent
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Speaker 3: of the time. Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi, well, he's voted
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Speaker 3: with the Greens eighty nine percent of the time. So
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Speaker 3: Australians are being asked to believe that politicians who vote
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Speaker 3: alongside the Greens are suddenly the champions of the sensible center.
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Speaker 3: But why become a party now? Well, a Llegra Spender
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Speaker 3: gave the answer herself, telling the SMH the donation changes
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Speaker 3: were a major party stitch up. I remember being reassured
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Speaker 3: by one labor person that don't worry, incumbents will be fine,
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Speaker 3: But I believe in competition. If they construct something that
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Speaker 3: means innovation and competition is harder, I have a problem
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Speaker 3: with it. In other words, becoming a party isn't just
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Speaker 3: about ideology, It's about money. New political donation laws come
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Speaker 3: into effect next year. Individual candidates are capped at eight
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Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars on their campaigns, but parties can use
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Speaker 3: their national campaign budget, which is capped at ninety million.
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Speaker 3: These same politicians who spent years attacking the major parties
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Speaker 3: are now rushing to adopt the very party model they
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Speaker 3: claimed was broken. How convenient And let's not overlook another
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Speaker 3: remarkable admission from Zali Stegel.
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Speaker 10: We also know that as an independent it's practically impossible
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Speaker 10: to get elected to the Senate, for example. So I
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Speaker 10: look at the work David Pocock does on half the
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Speaker 10: people of the ICT, and I say, where is that
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Speaker 10: voice for New South Wales? How do the people of
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Speaker 10: Warringa and Wentworth have that opportunity for a strong voice
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Speaker 10: in the Senate. And so that is why, after seven
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Speaker 10: years in this space, I have come to the view
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Speaker 10: that it is time to evolve to this model.
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Speaker 3: So in explaining why this new party is needed, Zally
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Speaker 3: acknowledged the restrictions of the independent movement. Zali said in
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Speaker 3: the SMH today that I saw the limitations of being
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Speaker 3: one vote out of one hundred and fifty the limitation
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Speaker 3: of our current movement. It's our lack of impact in
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Speaker 3: the Upper House.
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Speaker 8: Now.
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Speaker 3: For years Australians have been told electing independents would transform politics.
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Speaker 3: No one of the movement's architect is openly conceding that
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Speaker 3: independents simply don't have enough influence where many of the
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Speaker 3: big legislative battles are decided. So the solution build a party.
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Speaker 3: The Teals didn't become a political party this week. They
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Speaker 3: seem stopped pretending they weren't won. The Liberal Party is
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Speaker 3: in danger of snatching defeat from the jaws of opportunity.
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Speaker 3: The Australian is reporting today that Liberal MPs are leaking
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Speaker 3: against Angus Taylor, voicing concerns he isn't getting cut through,
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Speaker 3: saying he has six to twelve months left in the job.
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Speaker 3: Here we are again, leadership speculation, internal politics. Stop it.
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Speaker 3: Every leak aimed at your own leader isn't a shot
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Speaker 3: at Angus Taylor. It's a shot at your own party.
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Speaker 3: While Liberals are busy firing at each other, Labor gets
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Speaker 3: to walk through the middle untouched. And that's the problem.
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Speaker 3: Stop shooting yourselves in the foot and start firing shots
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Speaker 3: at this hapless government. Australians don't care who's plotting against
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Speaker 3: two in the Liberal Party. They care about whether they
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Speaker 3: can pay their mortgage, whether they can and afford groceries,
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Speaker 3: whether their kids will ever own a home. That's where
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Speaker 3: the fight should be. Now that doesn't mean agus Taylor
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Speaker 3: gets a free pass. He needs to lead, and leaders
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Speaker 3: don't wait for the national conversation, they create it. Take
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Speaker 3: the debate over social cohesion this week. Instead of allowing
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Speaker 3: days of argument over labels like monocultural, just answer the question.
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Speaker 3: Australia welcomes people from every corner of the world. You're
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Speaker 3: free to celebrate your religion, your culture and your heritage,
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Speaker 3: but in return, respect Australia's values, respect your fellow Australians.
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Speaker 3: And if you can't respect the country that welcomed you,
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Speaker 3: then people are entitled to ask why you chose Australia
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Speaker 3: in the first place. That's it. Thirty seconds, answer the question,
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Speaker 3: move on, then get back to talking about cost of living, housing,
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Speaker 3: government spending, small business, energy, the issues that actually determine elections. Well,
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Speaker 3: let's not forget what happened after the last election. Susan
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Speaker 3: Lee spent nine months on a listening tour. Listening has
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Speaker 3: its place, but opposition parties don't win a election simply
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Speaker 3: by listening. They win by leading. Those nine months should
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Speaker 3: have been spent rebuilding confidence, developing policy and holding labor
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Speaker 3: to account every single day. Instead, political space opened up
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Speaker 3: and one nation filled it. Nature hates a vacuum and
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Speaker 3: so does politics. If the coalition isn't occupying the opposition space,
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Speaker 3: someone else will and they have, which brings me to
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Speaker 3: another point. Angus Taylor needs to speak with Pauline Hansen.
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Speaker 3: I'm not saying to merge the parties or agree on everything,
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Speaker 3: but Australians who want a different government expect the parties
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Speaker 3: on the right to find common ground where they can
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Speaker 3: hold labor to account together stop treating each other as
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Speaker 3: the enemy. Well, Anthony Albanesi sits back and enjoys the show,
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Speaker 3: because divided oppositions don't win elections. United movements do. Well,
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Speaker 3: let's look further into asy Oboss. Mike Burgess comments about
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Speaker 3: the trajectory of terrorism threats in this country. I'll bring
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Speaker 3: in now former Affairs Minister Alexander Downer. Alexander, thanks for
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Speaker 3: joining tonight. What do you make of the comments and
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Speaker 3: the warning by Mike Burgess around these rising threats in Australia.
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Speaker 12: Well, I think it makes good sense to give those
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Speaker 12: sorts of warnings because there are always possibilities that people
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Speaker 12: of ill intent will maybe in the extreme resort to terrorism.
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Speaker 12: After all, it's not that long ago. In December last
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Speaker 12: year we had massacre of the Jews in Sydney on
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Speaker 12: Bondai Beach, and you have to ask yourself, not in
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Speaker 12: that particular case, I'm not sure of the details, but
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Speaker 12: you have to ask yourself yourself, what is Iran doing
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Speaker 12: behind the scenes too in these implementing terrorism In any case,
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Speaker 12: it's the best way to put it. You have to
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Speaker 12: ask yourself those sort of questions. So it's very important
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Speaker 12: as keep a watch on this. When we were in government,
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Speaker 12: we gave a very high priority to counter terrorism.
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Speaker 3: Well, Alexander, let's head overseas now. There's a few things
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Speaker 3: that I want to unpack with you. And first of all,
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Speaker 3: it is Surkei Starmer who resigned and reports that his
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Speaker 3: potential success at andy Burnham is already having handover meetings.
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Speaker 3: But in your opinion, where does labor go from here
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Speaker 3: in a situation with what they're facing.
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Speaker 12: Well, the problem with the British Labor Party, as it
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Speaker 12: is with the Australian Labor Party, is a question of policies.
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Speaker 12: I mean, what they've basically been doing is expanding the
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Speaker 12: public sector very rapidly spending money on welfare and windmills,
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Speaker 12: and the problem with that is it's not growing the economy.
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Speaker 12: So by spending a lot of money and having anemic
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Speaker 12: economic growth, you're going to have reduced revenue or you're
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Speaker 12: not going to have some substantially increased revenue, and so
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Speaker 12: you're going to expand public debt. The UK now has
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Speaker 12: public debt of around a one hundred percent of GDP
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Speaker 12: and so unless they cut spending and they do something
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Speaker 12: about reducing taxes, they're not going to They can change
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Speaker 12: their leader, fine, but then you're not going to do
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Speaker 12: anything about an anemic economy. So there's a very very
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Speaker 12: clear lesson from Australia as to what's happening in Britain.
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Speaker 12: You can change the politicians, but if you don't change
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Speaker 12: the policies and the direction, then the economy is going
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Speaker 12: to stall.
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Speaker 3: And it has been interesting to watch the calls from
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Speaker 3: Nigel Faras who is saying that they should be having
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Speaker 3: a general election because the people need to vote for
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Speaker 3: who their prime minister is. Is that the way forward
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Speaker 3: that they should go and have a vote of who's
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Speaker 3: to lead their country.
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Speaker 12: Well, they're not going to do that. Because the Labor
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Speaker 12: Party in the UK, which is the governing party, is
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Speaker 12: currently polling around the eighteen percent, so they're having a
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Speaker 12: general election and they have a huge majority in the
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Speaker 12: House of Commons. So our positions will always call for
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Speaker 12: a general election. I think the problem here is changing
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Speaker 12: prime ministers. The public elected Labor with Keir Starmer as
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Speaker 12: its leader and changing midterm. Well it's two out of
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Speaker 12: five years into their term. Changing the leader is going
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Speaker 12: to cause some resentment amongst the public. I mean we've
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Speaker 12: been through all of this in Australia in the Rad
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Speaker 12: Gilad years and then Abbott and Turnbull and Morrison changing
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Speaker 12: the prime minister in party coups. Honestly, in the end,
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Speaker 12: it's very unlikely that it will succeed in the medium term.
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Speaker 3: Yes, it certainly going to be one to watch play out.
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Speaker 3: Alexander Downer, thank you so much for joining me this evening. Well,
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Speaker 3: two tier independents officially launched a political party today. Let's
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Speaker 3: get the reaction from Shadow Health Minister Rustin and love
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Speaker 3: you to see you tonight. First up, Zalie Stegel and
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Speaker 3: Alegras Spender. They announce it they're forming a party. Doesn't
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Speaker 3: this contradict everything that they have stood for. They were
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Speaker 3: very anti party and really believed in the value was
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Speaker 3: being independent.
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Speaker 13: Well, I mean you've only got to have a look
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Speaker 13: at the track record of the so called Teals. I
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Speaker 13: mean they usually vote together, they're funding sources or main
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Speaker 13: funding sources the same. So I think they've sort of
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Speaker 13: been acting as a semi party for some time. But
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Speaker 13: what we saw in the last couple of days is
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Speaker 13: a party of two, which I'm not sure that many
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Speaker 13: Australians would think two people joining together is really a party.
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Speaker 13: But I think just look at their track record and
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Speaker 13: they're voting, look where their funding comes from, and I
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Speaker 13: think it tells the whole story.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely does. They are very much siding with
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Speaker 3: the Greens. I want to talk to you about the
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Speaker 3: isis Bride to the final one is now returned to
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Speaker 3: Australia and this woman had an exclusion order on her.
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Speaker 3: Doesn't the government have the power to stop her coming
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Speaker 3: back and being open with Australians of the seriousness of
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Speaker 3: what we've imported.
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Speaker 13: Well, it is a very very serious issue, Jamie, There's
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Speaker 13: no question about that. And if the government doesn't have
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Speaker 13: the power to do what it needs to do to
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Speaker 13: stop these dangerous people returning to Australia. The offer has
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Speaker 13: been on the table from the Coalition that we will
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Speaker 13: work with the government to make sure that they do
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Speaker 13: have the strength in their laws to enable them to
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Speaker 13: be able to protect Australians. Like I think every Australian
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Speaker 13: expects their government to protect them. But the other question
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Speaker 13: that I think that Australian should be rightly asking about this.
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Speaker 13: This person has got such a serious record that they
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Speaker 13: will require twenty four to seven surveillance when they return
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Speaker 13: back to Australia.
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Speaker 3: What is the cost of that to the.
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Speaker 13: Australian tax payer? And I just do not understand why
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Speaker 13: this government is being so blase a firstly with the
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Speaker 13: security and safety of Australians by allowing these people back
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Speaker 13: into the country and with Australian taxpayers money, because obviously
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Speaker 13: this is going to cost an awful lot of money
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Speaker 13: to monitor this person once they let them back into
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Speaker 13: the nation yea.
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Speaker 3: And on top of that all of the deradicalization programs
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Speaker 3: that taxpayers are expected to fit the bill for that
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Speaker 3: as well. I wanted to Labour's tax Bill and pass
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Speaker 3: the Senate today. You would have been in the room
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Speaker 3: as this was all happening. I do want to just
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Speaker 3: quickly play you some comments that the Treasurer said in
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Speaker 3: question time.
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Speaker 14: This tax reform bill passing the House today is a
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Speaker 14: win for workers, it's a win for first home buyers,
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Speaker 14: it's a win for future generations, and that's why we'll
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Speaker 14: be voting for it.
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Speaker 3: He still just speaks so confidently about a budget that
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Speaker 3: is just an absolute disaster. He had to do another
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Speaker 3: backflip around removing the widow's tax, which was just absolutely
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Speaker 3: horrendous that was even included. What do you make of
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Speaker 3: Jim Chalmers comments, but also the fact that this budget
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Speaker 3: is still being fast tracked through the approval process despite
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Speaker 3: there's so many ongoing consequences and ramifications of it.
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Speaker 13: Well, I think, quite frankly, the only winners that we've
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Speaker 13: seen out of this budget, in this particular tax package,
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Speaker 13: are accountants and valuers who are going to have plenty
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Speaker 13: of work to do over the coming months to try
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Speaker 13: and deal with the fallout from the changes that have
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Speaker 13: been passed through.
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Speaker 3: The Parliament today.
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Speaker 13: But I mean, this budget, I've got to say, has
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Speaker 13: got to be the worst budget that I've seen since
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Speaker 13: probably nineteen ninety three. It is an absolute train wreck
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Speaker 13: of a budget. We've already seen a couple of backflips.
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Speaker 13: I mean, you know, who in their right mind would
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Speaker 13: think it's a good idea to tax widows after their
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Speaker 13: partner or their husband has just died. And the bill
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Speaker 13: that was actually passed today that the Labor Party cheered for,
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Speaker 13: still includes the tax on these widows. They are going
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Speaker 13: to be required to come back and make amendments to
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Speaker 13: this bill in order to forget this particular provision out
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Speaker 13: of the bill. So what passed today, that widow tax
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Speaker 13: is still in this legislation and it just goes to
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Speaker 13: show that this government is all about headlines. They don't
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Speaker 13: worry about the detail, and they wait and see what
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Speaker 13: happens afterwards. And I think you will see backflip after
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Speaker 13: backflip after backflip as we see the actual implications raverifications
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Speaker 13: of these tax changes, this huge tax hike on just
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Speaker 13: about every Australian. As it plays out, I think you'll
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Speaker 13: probably start to see it completely unravel. But unfortunately, the
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Speaker 13: tax payers of Australia are the ones who are going
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Speaker 13: to wear and suffer the consequences of a government that
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Speaker 13: quite frankly, doesn't do it at homework, doesn't prepare properly,
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Speaker 13: love is a headline and doesn't do any work.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're already starting to see the fallout from this
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Speaker 3: budget around the housing market. Just quickly before I let
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Speaker 3: you go. The Australian has reported today that Liberal MPs
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Speaker 3: concerned about Angus Taylor's leadership that isn't cutting through and
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Speaker 3: don't think he'll be there for more than six to
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Speaker 3: twelve months. What do you think is there's another leader
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Speaker 3: on the way.
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Speaker 13: Look, I don't think there's much in this at all.
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Speaker 13: I think Angus has got the full support of his
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Speaker 13: party room. You know, he's certainly working really hard to
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Speaker 13: make sure that we've got a really good policy agenda
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Speaker 13: that he's rolling out along with our coalition partners, the
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Speaker 13: National Party. So I wouldn't read too much into what's
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Speaker 13: been written in the paper today.
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Speaker 3: Alanne Ruster and I appreciate your time tonight, speak too
22:34
Speaker 3: soon well after the break headline. Inflation has fallen, But
22:38
Speaker 3: beneath the surface it's not as rosy as the treasure
22:41
Speaker 3: would like us to believe. And later we'll cross to
22:44
Speaker 3: the US as they celebrate two hundred and fifty years
22:47
Speaker 3: since the nation's founding. Welcome back headline, inflation has fallen
22:56
Speaker 3: and the treasure is celebrating. But beneath the surface, the
22:59
Speaker 3: picture sure isn't nearly as rosy. Australia's underlying inflation is
23:04
Speaker 3: going up, raising fresh concerns about the direction of interest
23:07
Speaker 3: rates and even the prospect of stagflation. Well, at the
23:11
Speaker 3: same time, there's growing criticism of the government's housing policies.
23:14
Speaker 3: With auction clearance rates falling and house prices beginning to soften.
23:18
Speaker 3: Let's bring in the Institute of Public Affairs Chief Economists
23:21
Speaker 3: Adam Crichton. Adam, the government is being accused of sabotaging
23:26
Speaker 3: the housing market, and this is off the back of
23:29
Speaker 3: auction clearance rates going down. Prices are dropping. Housing Minister
23:33
Speaker 3: Clara O'Neil she said that this is just a correction
23:36
Speaker 3: of the market. How much is the May budget, in
23:39
Speaker 3: your mind, responsible for the mess that we're seeing now
23:42
Speaker 3: in the property market?
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Speaker 1: Well, certainly, I would say to a great extent.
23:48
Speaker 15: The truth is the housing market was already softening before
23:51
Speaker 15: the budget came in, but that trend has accelerated. I
23:54
Speaker 15: think the May figures which I think we can attribute
23:56
Speaker 15: fairly to the May budgets or prices in Sydney and
23:59
Speaker 15: Melbourne at least.
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Speaker 1: Down one percent for the month.
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Speaker 15: Now, of course, if that continues for twelve months, then
24:04
Speaker 15: that's going to be more than twelve percent decline, and
24:07
Speaker 15: some analysts are saying that they expect more than that.
24:10
Speaker 15: I mean, the front page of the finn Review yesterday
24:11
Speaker 15: had some suburbs in Sydney and Melbourne down twenty five
24:15
Speaker 15: thirty percent over the last three years already, and so
24:18
Speaker 15: you'd hate to be those people that bought they're in
24:20
Speaker 15: twenty twenty three, twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 1: They're sitting on massive losses.
24:23
Speaker 15: And of course think of the poor people that took
24:25
Speaker 15: advantage of the five percent deposit scheme last year. Many
24:29
Speaker 15: of them would now be underwater. But you know, it's
24:31
Speaker 15: not just the federal government by worried. State treasuries should
24:34
Speaker 15: be concerned because stamp duty revenues, which is the second
24:37
Speaker 15: or third biggest revenue stream for most states, are going
24:40
Speaker 15: to dry up significantly as the number of sales falls
24:43
Speaker 15: and the prices.
24:44
Speaker 3: Fall to well. Inflation numbers were released yesterday and it
24:48
Speaker 3: did show that there was a drop from four point
24:51
Speaker 3: two percent down to four percent. But how concerned should
24:55
Speaker 3: we be about the underlying inflation going from three point
24:59
Speaker 3: four up to three two point six percent.
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Speaker 15: Well, very concerned, I would say, missus Stroida is pretty
25:06
Speaker 15: much the only developed country where the inflation rate is increasing,
25:10
Speaker 15: and I mean the underlying rate, which is the only rate,
25:13
Speaker 15: the three point six percent rate you just said, Then
25:15
Speaker 15: that's the rate the Reserve Bank looks at. That's the
25:18
Speaker 15: rate where you exclude all the volatile items such as fuel.
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Speaker 1: Recently, of course, because we.
25:23
Speaker 15: Had the excise cut, that's what the RBO looks at,
25:25
Speaker 15: and that's increasing. So they're in a very difficult position
25:28
Speaker 15: because they probably should increase interest rates one more time
25:31
Speaker 15: if they were solely concerned about the rate of inflation,
25:33
Speaker 15: and there's indeed a thirty percent chance that they will
25:36
Speaker 15: in August when they make their next decision, which which
25:39
Speaker 15: would make four increases. I think this year they may
25:42
Speaker 15: not do that because by the time that comes around,
25:44
Speaker 15: you may see even sharper falls in house prices, and
25:47
Speaker 15: then the RBA will be concerned about a loss of
25:49
Speaker 15: confidence and potential concerns about credit worthiness.
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Speaker 1: Of financial institutions, et cetera.
25:54
Speaker 15: So look, it is concerning because you know, there's not
25:56
Speaker 15: many people out there except maybe for public sector a
25:59
Speaker 15: union employees who are getting three and a half percent
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Speaker 15: a three and a half percent wage.
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Speaker 1: Increase every year.
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Speaker 3: And we're hearing the term stagflation being used quite a lot. Now,
26:09
Speaker 3: can you just explain to us what exactly that is,
26:12
Speaker 3: but more so why this is such a big problem.
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Speaker 15: Well, stagflation is a word that came from the nineteen
26:20
Speaker 15: seventies experience when you had both rising unemployment and rising
26:23
Speaker 15: inflation at the same time. Now, the jobless rate here
26:26
Speaker 15: is relatively low, So yeah, I think it's four point
26:29
Speaker 15: four percent or four point two percent. I think the
26:31
Speaker 15: new figure came out today. It's you know, it's historically
26:33
Speaker 15: fairly low. So I don't think we have to worry
26:35
Speaker 15: about stagflation per se. But you know, the concern is
26:38
Speaker 15: rising inflation. And also I would say that that jobless
26:41
Speaker 15: figure four point two percent, the official figure, you know,
26:44
Speaker 15: that's a very misleading picture. There's actually millions of people
26:47
Speaker 15: who are excluded from being technically unemployed because they simply
26:51
Speaker 15: haven't looked for a job in the last week, or
26:53
Speaker 15: they can't start work in the next couple of weeks.
26:56
Speaker 1: You know, when you add in.
26:57
Speaker 15: All those other people the joblet's rate some more like
26:59
Speaker 15: ten fifteen percent. That's not the figure obviously the government
27:02
Speaker 15: likes to talk about, but that is the reality. There
27:05
Speaker 15: are millions of people out there who want to work
27:07
Speaker 15: who can't, or indeed there's people in work who want
27:09
Speaker 15: more hours.
27:09
Speaker 1: You can't get more hours.
27:10
Speaker 15: So you know, four point two percent is a very
27:12
Speaker 15: misleading figure.
27:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to be an interesting one to watch
27:17
Speaker 3: with the economy. Adam Crichton, I will leave it there,
27:20
Speaker 3: thanks so much. Well after the brag, President Trump has
27:24
Speaker 3: met with NATO's Secretary General with questions over America's military
27:29
Speaker 3: commitment to Europe, and the soccer US are in action
27:32
Speaker 3: for their final group match at the World Cup tomorrow.
27:34
Speaker 3: Sports broadcaster Mark Robinson will join me with the latest.
27:42
Speaker 3: America has celebrated a major milestone, marking two hundred and
27:46
Speaker 3: fifty years since the nation's founding with a huge event
27:50
Speaker 3: on the National Mall in Washington. President Donald Trump headlined
27:54
Speaker 3: the celebrations, declaring it would be a rally to end
27:57
Speaker 3: all rallies. While at the same time, the President has
28:01
Speaker 3: been meeting with NATO Secretary General with questions over America's
28:05
Speaker 3: military commitment to Europe, or for more, It's time to
28:08
Speaker 3: bring in Sky News contributor Kristin Tate. Kristin, let's start
28:13
Speaker 3: with the party. It's obviously America's birthday, and it did
28:16
Speaker 3: look incredible. President Trump, he spoke at the celebration here.
28:20
Speaker 6: He is, America is back. As you know very well.
28:31
Speaker 6: A short time ago, we were a dead country. We
28:34
Speaker 6: were dead. Now we're the hottest country anywhere in the world.
28:39
Speaker 6: We're respected by everybody. Nobody's laughing at us anymore.
28:45
Speaker 3: Kristin, what did you make of those comments? I mean,
28:48
Speaker 3: watching from over here in Australia, he certainly knows how
28:51
Speaker 3: to rev up the crowd and get everyone excited.
28:56
Speaker 16: Sure, yes, I appreciated the president's comments of the optimism
29:02
Speaker 16: that he has shown about the state of America. Obviously,
29:06
Speaker 16: the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of this country is
29:08
Speaker 16: a major milestone. But as I wrote about in my
29:11
Speaker 16: recent Boston Globe column, planners have spent years preparing for
29:16
Speaker 16: this miles milestone, but they haven't really answered an important question,
29:21
Speaker 16: which is what story should America be telling about itself
29:25
Speaker 16: on this anniversary? It's great to project optimism about the country,
29:29
Speaker 16: but the fact is, Jamie, that a record number of Americans,
29:32
Speaker 16: particularly younger Americans, know very little about the history of
29:36
Speaker 16: this country anymore and about the people who made it great.
29:39
Speaker 16: So I thought it would have been great to use
29:40
Speaker 16: the opportunity to celebrate America and educate people about the
29:45
Speaker 16: many Americans who built this country into the greatest country
29:49
Speaker 16: in the history of the world, people like Benjamin Franklin,
29:52
Speaker 16: Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, even more recent entrepreneurs, and the
29:57
Speaker 16: people who really built the country brick by brick. Unfortunately,
30:01
Speaker 16: because of a range of factors, including failed education, you know,
30:05
Speaker 16: young Americans just don't know a lot about the history
30:07
Speaker 16: of the United States of America anymore.
30:10
Speaker 3: You know, that's really sad because it's a similar issue
30:12
Speaker 3: to what we're having here in Australia, where students just
30:15
Speaker 3: aren't being taught about the amazing things that our country
30:19
Speaker 3: has achieved and that you should be proud of. What
30:21
Speaker 3: is the feeling right now on the ground towards the president.
30:25
Speaker 3: There's obviously a lot going on with the war in Iran,
30:27
Speaker 3: and they're going through the peace negotiations at the moment.
30:30
Speaker 3: But what's the feeling like, is helling poorly heading into
30:35
Speaker 3: the midterm elections?
30:37
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean the war in Iran is really what
30:40
Speaker 16: has dominated discussions here on the ground in America and
30:44
Speaker 16: particularly among Trump's base. They want to see this wrapped up.
30:48
Speaker 16: They want to see it done, particularly because gas prices
30:52
Speaker 16: here are through the roof. Americans are paying over four
30:55
Speaker 16: US dollars per gallon of gas, which is quite high
31:00
Speaker 16: considering what we are used to paying here. So people
31:03
Speaker 16: are kind of done with it, especially because Trump campaigned
31:06
Speaker 16: on not starting any new wars and focusing on domestic
31:09
Speaker 16: issues and strengthening the country from within. So over the
31:12
Speaker 16: past few months, his his poll numbers have slipped a
31:14
Speaker 16: little bit, and that's primarily been with mag of voters.
31:18
Speaker 16: He's rebounded a bit in the last week, but if
31:21
Speaker 16: he wants to remain strong, especially going into the midterm
31:23
Speaker 16: elections this fall, which are very important for Republicans, this
31:27
Speaker 16: war in Iran needs to be wrapped up. The discussions
31:31
Speaker 16: and the energy of this administration needs to be focused
31:34
Speaker 16: back on those domestic issues that drove voters to the polls,
31:38
Speaker 16: things like our immigration crisis, crime in US city's inflation,
31:42
Speaker 16: which is still particularly high here. So the Iran war
31:47
Speaker 16: is kind of casting a shadow right now on the administration.
31:51
Speaker 3: There's been an interesting mating between nito's Secretary General and
31:56
Speaker 3: President Trump. So he's over in Washington pretty much trying
31:59
Speaker 3: to convince the resident of NATO's importance. And this is
32:02
Speaker 3: at a time where the Pentagon is reviewing America's military
32:05
Speaker 3: footprint in Europe. Let's just take a quick listen to
32:08
Speaker 3: what the President has said.
32:10
Speaker 17: I think if anybody else were in that position, we
32:13
Speaker 17: wouldn't need to be meeting today, to be honest with you,
32:15
Speaker 17: because we were let down.
32:18
Speaker 6: We didn't need help on this at all. We'd demolish
32:21
Speaker 6: them and literally the first week.
32:23
Speaker 2: But it would have been nice if they would have said,
32:25
Speaker 2: we'd like to help.
32:28
Speaker 3: Just quickly, Kristin, what can you tell us about this meeting?
32:33
Speaker 16: I mean, Trump has been pretty consistent on his stance
32:36
Speaker 16: with NATO, and he's not changing anything now. He's always
32:39
Speaker 16: been very critical of this alliance, and you know the
32:43
Speaker 16: fact that America is consistently putting more funds into defense.
32:48
Speaker 16: I will say there is a good case to be
32:50
Speaker 16: made for our European allies that they weren't necessarily consulted
32:54
Speaker 16: before this Aaron war was waged. But Trump has been
32:58
Speaker 16: very consistent on this and I do think this is
33:00
Speaker 16: one issue where his followers completely agree with him.
33:04
Speaker 3: Well, Kristin, I will leave it there. Thanks so much
33:06
Speaker 3: for your time tonight.
33:08
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Jamie, and.
33:11
Speaker 3: Don't forget to tune in next Wednesday at eight pm
33:14
Speaker 3: Eastern Standard time for Trump's America two hundred and fifty
33:18
Speaker 3: Years in the Making, Paul Murray travels through the heart
33:21
Speaker 3: of the US as Americans celebrate two hundred and fifty
33:25
Speaker 3: years of independence. That is going to be one not
33:28
Speaker 3: to miss. Well, Tomorrow, the soccer US face Paraguay in
33:32
Speaker 3: their final round of the group stage at the World Cup.
33:35
Speaker 3: So let's bring in sports broadcaster Mark Robinson. Mark, it's
33:40
Speaker 3: a big match tomorrow. The soccer Us have been forced
33:42
Speaker 3: to make some changes.
33:44
Speaker 17: Who's out, well, Lecky's out and then Italiano he's out.
33:49
Speaker 17: But always in these sporting events, Jamie, the socceros aren't
33:53
Speaker 17: going to be judged on who's not playing. They're going
33:56
Speaker 17: to be judged on who he is playing because these
33:58
Speaker 17: are unfortunately, but the way that soccer roos have been.
34:04
Speaker 1: Their selection.
34:04
Speaker 17: Over the first two games, they've got players going in
34:06
Speaker 17: and out, in and out. And this is exactly why
34:09
Speaker 17: if you lose a couple of players, you got others
34:11
Speaker 17: who can step into the plate. So Lecky and I
34:14
Speaker 17: tell you and I aren't playing midfielder and a center back.
34:19
Speaker 17: But I said, once that whistle goes, we won't be
34:22
Speaker 17: thinking about those two. We'll be thinking about the performance
34:25
Speaker 17: of the eleven on the field.
34:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, we certainly were, and we spoke about it on
34:30
Speaker 3: the show yesterday that kids in Victoria there were calls
34:34
Speaker 3: that they should be allowed to watch the game during
34:36
Speaker 3: school tomorrow, especially because it's their last day of term.
34:40
Speaker 3: What do you think should kids all be allowed to
34:42
Speaker 3: just pause school for a moment and tune in and
34:45
Speaker 3: watch the soccer.
34:45
Speaker 17: US Okay, one, that's an easy question to answer, of course,
34:48
Speaker 17: the answers. Yeah, it's Jamie. As you know, we stelt
34:51
Speaker 17: for the Melbourne Cup and I think the next biggest
34:55
Speaker 17: patriotic event we have, and I said this to two
35:00
Speaker 17: weeks ago, the soccer Rouse. I think our most patriotic
35:07
Speaker 17: bring it together of all our national teams. The kids
35:11
Speaker 17: are going to be stopping here in Melbourne. I've already
35:14
Speaker 17: read about a couple of schools. They'll be setting up
35:16
Speaker 17: in the in the big Hall and they should be
35:19
Speaker 17: watching it. And they should be watching it because there's
35:22
Speaker 17: nothing like the World Cup, and then it's probably the Olympics,
35:25
Speaker 17: but the World Cup and the underdog status of the
35:28
Speaker 17: Australian team always brings all of Australia together.
35:32
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's why to your point, where sporting
35:35
Speaker 3: teams like the soccer rus that brings everyone together. There's
35:38
Speaker 3: now calls for businesses to go along and host watch
35:41
Speaker 3: parties or head out of the office and go and
35:44
Speaker 3: support local venues. I know in Melbourne and fed Square
35:48
Speaker 3: that's really been going off as well. Everyone needs to
35:51
Speaker 3: embrace it and take a few hours off. Tomorrow.
35:55
Speaker 1: Where will you be watching it, Jamie.
35:57
Speaker 3: I'm actually going to an RSL club to watch it.
36:00
Speaker 3: Was a working nighttime, Mark Is. I'll be around tomorrow
36:02
Speaker 3: to watch them.
36:03
Speaker 17: Yeah, now I'll be watching it. Unfortunately I've got a
36:06
Speaker 17: funeral tomorrow afternoon, so I'll watch it before I go
36:10
Speaker 17: to the funeral. But you're quite right. People going to
36:14
Speaker 17: work will think of way and talk to their to
36:17
Speaker 17: their bosses, or the bosses will talk to their their
36:20
Speaker 17: staff to say, right, we're going to watch it here
36:22
Speaker 17: and people who aren't working they're going to be they'll
36:25
Speaker 17: be watching it and it will be one of the
36:27
Speaker 17: most watched events in sport this year. Unfortunately, we're playing
36:33
Speaker 17: in South American country killed Paraguayan. The South Americans are
36:36
Speaker 17: known for a lot of things, but yeah, what they
36:38
Speaker 17: can play soccer and if we can knock over Paraguay
36:42
Speaker 17: to if we win, we finish in second and we
36:45
Speaker 17: definitely go through to the squad of thirty two.
36:48
Speaker 3: Now, before I let you go, I just wanted to
36:51
Speaker 3: get your thoughts Andrew Johns. He has responded to calls
36:55
Speaker 3: around him coaching New South Wales Origin side. What can
36:59
Speaker 3: you tell us about this?
37:02
Speaker 17: I can tell that he said he's not ready to
37:04
Speaker 17: do it. He couldn't He said he couldn't be he's
37:07
Speaker 17: not calm enough. I mean every State of Origin match
37:11
Speaker 17: I watched, no one's calm. No one's calm, so I
37:14
Speaker 17: don't know why he cannot be calm. If he's if
37:18
Speaker 17: he's the cache this event and we've been speaking about
37:24
Speaker 17: it for thirty years, this event has got historical foothold
37:28
Speaker 17: already in this country. It's one of the great sporting events.
37:33
Speaker 17: But what adds to the height is when the great
37:37
Speaker 17: former players get it involved.
37:39
Speaker 18: Now.
37:40
Speaker 17: I don't know about you, but you know Billy Slater
37:42
Speaker 17: who played for the Melbourne Storm and took over as
37:45
Speaker 17: a big name Queenslander and he's given a little bit
37:49
Speaker 17: of aura, I reckon to the Queenslanders who already had aura.
37:54
Speaker 17: If Matthew Andrew Johns got involved in New South Wales,
37:59
Speaker 17: I think and that would be absolutely ben tasty for
38:03
Speaker 17: an already great sporting occasion.
38:07
Speaker 3: Well, you never know. We can watch this space because
38:09
Speaker 3: they say they're not going to do it. He said
38:11
Speaker 3: it might he needs to learn. So you can still
38:13
Speaker 3: leave the door open, Mark Robinson, I will leave it there. Well.
38:18
Speaker 3: After the break, Pauline Hansen says she was embarrassed by
38:21
Speaker 3: David Farley voting with the Greens and should Karl Stefanovic
38:25
Speaker 3: have been sacked from Channel nine over his podcast with
38:27
Speaker 3: Tommy Robinson. That and plenty more with the panel next, Well,
38:36
Speaker 3: welcome back. It's great to have your company. It's time
38:39
Speaker 3: to bring in the panel now. And that's Daily Telegraphs
38:41
Speaker 3: Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson from step Mate Studios gentlemen,
38:46
Speaker 3: I do want to start with the Teal party that
38:49
Speaker 3: was announced today with Zalie Stegel and Allegra Spender. Tim.
38:53
Speaker 3: I just feel as though it's just making it official
38:56
Speaker 3: what we always knew.
38:57
Speaker 1: They're a party, absolutely, Jenny.
39:00
Speaker 19: I do love the new name, very catchy. It's like
39:03
Speaker 19: they had the worst focus group in history. You know,
39:06
Speaker 19: we need, we need something that indicates community and we
39:09
Speaker 19: need we need to show that we're strength strong. We've
39:12
Speaker 19: got strength and a local angle, community strong Australia.
39:17
Speaker 1: My god, that's rubbish.
39:19
Speaker 19: And I also like the fact that their new party,
39:22
Speaker 19: they haven't even waited to become a party before the
39:24
Speaker 19: first factions happened. This party is born from a faction
39:28
Speaker 19: because the other Teals haven't even joined it.
39:30
Speaker 3: Jamie, I know there's just the two of them that
39:33
Speaker 3: are there, standing, standing strong. And Mark. I must say
39:36
Speaker 3: when it came to that logo, there were a few
39:38
Speaker 3: people around me when it came through and said, gee,
39:40
Speaker 3: that looks like it's come out of chat GPT. They've
39:43
Speaker 3: gone in there and said these are the ideas that
39:45
Speaker 3: we want and this is what it has sput out.
39:49
Speaker 18: Well, you're one hundred percent right.
39:51
Speaker 2: It looks like it looks like it's overthought, looks like
39:53
Speaker 2: consultants did it. They look like maybe they are ready
39:56
Speaker 2: for government to be honest, if that's the sort of
39:57
Speaker 2: track they're going down.
39:58
Speaker 18: But Tim's hundred percent right, they've overthought it. This is sterile.
40:02
Speaker 18: It's like they've sat in a meeting. This is hr
40:05
Speaker 18: driven community strong.
40:06
Speaker 2: They should have just called it the Champagne Socialists Australia
40:09
Speaker 2: keep up the same anagram, you know CSA.
40:12
Speaker 18: They should have just kept it. They would have been great.
40:14
Speaker 18: Lean into it, guys, we'll call it the Teal Party.
40:16
Speaker 18: Whatever you want. You could have done a million things,
40:17
Speaker 18: but you overthought it.
40:19
Speaker 3: And Tim, this does contradict though, everything that they have
40:22
Speaker 3: said previously, slamming parties that being independent was the best
40:26
Speaker 3: way to serve their community. Just take a listen and
40:30
Speaker 3: as an independent, I'll be free to vote on what's
40:33
Speaker 3: right and what's fair to everyone.
40:35
Speaker 9: I'm absolutely proud to be an independent. I think this
40:37
Speaker 9: is what the Parliament needs, is actually strong independence.
40:40
Speaker 11: The community is really happy to be represented by an independent.
40:45
Speaker 10: This electorate has embraced the new style of politics.
40:49
Speaker 3: So now what do they do? They can't keep saying
40:51
Speaker 3: they're a community independent and that's the way forward. They've
40:54
Speaker 3: just contradicted everything that they've been campaigning on for years.
40:58
Speaker 19: Oh no, no, no, no, that's entirely wrong. J. They're
41:01
Speaker 19: united independence. Now they've got greater power than ever because
41:04
Speaker 19: they all think alike and they're bonded together. George Orwell
41:07
Speaker 19: wrote about this a long time ago, very admiringly. So
41:10
Speaker 19: I think they're onto something with there, their united mass
41:15
Speaker 19: of uniformly behaving independence.
41:18
Speaker 3: Now let's move over now to One Nation where Pharah
41:21
Speaker 3: MP David Farley. He says he voted by accident with
41:25
Speaker 3: the Greens and the Teals, and this was around capping
41:28
Speaker 3: fuel tax credit rebates for large mining companies. Pauline Hansen
41:32
Speaker 3: was asked about this on Bolt and this was her response.
41:36
Speaker 20: I said to David, I said this is a problem.
41:38
Speaker 20: I said, you know, I've worked thirty years to get here,
41:43
Speaker 20: to stand up and fight for the austrain people. And
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Speaker 20: I said, your performance in there is going to reflect
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Speaker 20: on men and the One Nation, my members here that
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Speaker 20: we've worked so hard to represent the austrain people. Do
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Speaker 20: you understand what I'm saying? He said, Pauline, I said,
41:56
Speaker 20: I'm orange he said, I agree with all your policies.
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Speaker 3: Mark, what do you make of this? Because I actually
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Speaker 3: think this is going to highlight an issue I think
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Speaker 3: for one nation, when you've got a stack of inexperienced MP's,
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Speaker 3: if they get elected in Pauline can't be replicated over
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Speaker 3: and over and over again. So this is going to
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Speaker 3: be an issue that one nation is going to have
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Speaker 3: to overcome.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And to be honest, internally, we've we've we've actually
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Speaker 2: been referring to when you make a little little harmless,
42:27
Speaker 2: silly mistake.
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Speaker 18: Has just paul O A Farley.
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Speaker 2: It has happened a few times with David Farley unfortunately.
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Speaker 2: But I can tell you right now that phone call
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Speaker 2: probably reverberated through every chamber, both chambers of Parliament, I
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Speaker 2: reckon most people in Canberra probably heard that phone call
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Speaker 2: between Pauline and Farling. Unfortunately. But in fairness to him,
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Speaker 2: it was a by elections. He barely knows where the
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Speaker 2: forks are in his kitchen at he's been there for
42:55
Speaker 2: you know, a collective, you know, a couple of hours.
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Speaker 18: He has no idea where anything or anything like that.
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Speaker 2: He should have known when he sat down that you
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Speaker 2: never sit with the Greens and Tails. He should have
43:04
Speaker 2: known that that should have been done on instinct.
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Speaker 3: But that's exactly what I was about to say, Market
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Speaker 3: and Tim. Surely you would look around and think, okay,
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Speaker 3: I'm probably not really sitting with the type of people
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Speaker 3: that I should be voting with. Didn't wouldn't that absent
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Speaker 3: alarm bells off?
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Speaker 18: For David Farley, it should said alarm bells off.
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Speaker 19: If you're on a bus and you're surrendered by Teals
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Speaker 19: and Greens. It's as Mark says, it's a matter of instinct.
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Speaker 19: But I think Pauline is right to be angry about this.
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Speaker 1: It does.
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Speaker 19: It embarrasses the party. It reinforces the image, as you're saying, Jamie,
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Speaker 19: of a party of inexperience and someone. But you know,
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Speaker 19: I don't think we should be too shocked when politics
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Speaker 19: is an insider's game and it's difficult for outsiders to
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Speaker 19: quickly get a grasp on it. The new member is
43:53
Speaker 19: not a foolish fellow. He will get a hold of this.
43:56
Speaker 19: But yeah, this is there's there's there's rules and regulate
44:00
Speaker 19: and structures here that he hasn't previously encountered. And I
44:03
Speaker 19: think all of us would struggle a bit in our
44:05
Speaker 19: early days, would be to be in his position now.
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Speaker 3: The fire the liar trucks today were circling around Parliament
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Speaker 3: House and Pauline she looked so happy as you would
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Speaker 3: be that this campaign has now got close to five
44:19
Speaker 3: million dollars in donations. But Mark, it is just cutting through.
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Speaker 3: Everyone is talking about it. The marketing behind this is amazing.
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Speaker 2: And it's just the beginning, Jamie, it really is. We're
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Speaker 2: having chats about some really exciting things that it's going to.
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Speaker 1: Break their hearts. They are going to be so upset with.
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Speaker 2: Some of the stunts and some of the things we're
44:43
Speaker 2: going to be able to do. And again thanks to
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Speaker 2: everybody for supporting the campaign as well, because it's just
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Speaker 2: given us so much more opportunity to be able to
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Speaker 2: do some really fun stuff. It's really going to hurt them.
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Speaker 18: It's awesome. Stay tuned, it's going to be sick. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: It's certainly just been interesting to watch this all play out. Tim,
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Speaker 3: I wanted to talk to you about Karl Stefanovic. He's
45:04
Speaker 3: paying a very high price for interviewing Tommy Robinson in
45:08
Speaker 3: the UK and reports out today that he has been
45:11
Speaker 3: sacked from his role at Channel nine. But when this
45:15
Speaker 3: was all happening, I thought, this really risks creating a
45:19
Speaker 3: chilling effect where journalists will potentially avoid controversial interviews over
45:23
Speaker 3: fear of losing their jobs. When do we stop this
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Speaker 3: cancel culture?
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Speaker 19: Absolutely, we've got a problem in this country with freedom
45:32
Speaker 19: of speech. It's kind of essential and basic. We've got
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Speaker 19: a kind of reflexive response to any kind of troubling
45:39
Speaker 19: character of running away, closing doors, you know, deplatforming people,
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Speaker 19: canceling them from different roles, all because something has said
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Speaker 19: that is perceived as disagreeable. Tommy Robinson is like him
45:56
Speaker 19: or not, is fairly much a mainstream character these days
45:58
Speaker 19: in UK politics. He's got quite a substantial readership that
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Speaker 19: people like this should be heard. We don't even know
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Speaker 19: the nature of the chat that Stefanovic came with him
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Speaker 19: in any great detail, so that the fact that everyone
46:11
Speaker 19: should pile in and demand the need leaves I mean,
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Speaker 19: I think it also reflects that journalism culture is broadly
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Speaker 19: left wing, and that once you step outside there's boundaries. It's,
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Speaker 19: you know, the weight of hell comes in upon you.
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Speaker 19: I think the broader community is more towards the centable
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Speaker 19: towards the right, and I think they'd be far more
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Speaker 19: embracing of Stefanovick.
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Speaker 3: Mike, what do you think, because I know that you've
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Speaker 3: been quite active when it comes to the Pauline Hansen cartoons,
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Speaker 3: which I know a lot of people have a very
46:40
Speaker 3: good laugh about. But is there ever that fear that
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Speaker 3: you can cross over the fine line of oh, you
46:46
Speaker 3: end up being canceled and that's the end.
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Speaker 1: Not at all.
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Speaker 2: No, No, we get to live without that fear, to
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Speaker 2: be honest, and that's what I think Karl is about
46:57
Speaker 2: to experience. I'm about to enjoy himself. You know, we
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Speaker 2: had we were an animation studio. We were working with
47:02
Speaker 2: Channel seven, who immediately pushed back on our very first
47:06
Speaker 2: scene that we wrote and said, oh, the RSPCA are
47:09
Speaker 2: going to write in letters you guys.
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Speaker 18: Will get canceled.
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Speaker 2: That was the first scene we wrote and they did
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Speaker 2: not let go for that entire thing. We've not received
47:16
Speaker 2: a single note from one nation, and we've had to
47:18
Speaker 2: enjoy the creative freedom and that's why the series is
47:21
Speaker 2: so much more successful that what we got. And that's
47:24
Speaker 2: why everyone's moving away from mainstream tally and they want
47:26
Speaker 2: to go independent.
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Speaker 18: And they want to see freedom again.
47:29
Speaker 2: I think this is going to be Nine's loss and
47:31
Speaker 2: it's going to be Carl's game.
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Speaker 18: This game's one.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you are right there, guys. World Cup
47:38
Speaker 3: is on tomorrow. We were just speaking with Mark Robinson
47:41
Speaker 3: about the match against Paraguay one. Where are you going
47:44
Speaker 3: to be watching it? And who do you think is
47:45
Speaker 3: going to win?
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Speaker 19: Okay, there's a lot of buzz about this World Cup,
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Speaker 19: so I looked it up. It turns out it's just
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Speaker 19: a soccer tournament. It's nothing much, really important at all.
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean it happens every four years, but you
47:58
Speaker 3: know that's okay, nothing major.
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Speaker 19: I'm making a note about that.
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Speaker 3: Journey and Mark, we're going to say the soccer us.
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Speaker 3: It is now over to Peter Crudlin, whose life from
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Speaker 3: London