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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed MCC Lieutenant (Part 13) (5/4/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna dive right back
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  in to the unnamed Lieutenant and his interview with the
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  OIG inspectors about the death of Jeffrey Epstein. Question all right,
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  and do you mind just putting it like you did
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  the last time, just a little start next to it. Answer.
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  I've just got one question, real quick question. Yes, please
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  do answer? This is the four PM count? Right? Answer yep?
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  This outcount that you see right here? Answer for ZD.
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  Question for Za sorry, answer for Za. Question Za, see
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  that one? Is that one? Who is that one for?
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  Is that for? Redacted? Answer? Out count? Question who normally
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  gets marked off on the E one? That's out count?
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  It means he's still in the facility or the inmates
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  had to leave the facility. Answer you never usually see
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  an outcount for that one. Though, I don't know what
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  assignment this is. Question say that again. Answer, I'm not
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  sure what this assignment is. Question you don't know what account? Okay?
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  Answer it could have been some type of he gets
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  cut off by the investigator. I was just trying to
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  figure out if they were still counting him as Hey
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  there's a possibility of him coming back. They've left him
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  as an outcount, and eventually after evening they removed him
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  from the outcount. Answer no, so the outcount. Oh, I
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  know what you're saying. Now, you're trying to say, you mean,
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  who is the one that they have at the attorney conference. Answer, see,
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  we know that question. Yeah, that's the same thing. Answer,
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  that's the same thing. Question. Yeah. All the numbers is
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  repeats for the outcounts. Question so you hear what he's saying.
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  Answer yeah, okay. Question ten one two that equals thirteen
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  three plus one plus thirteen two equals nineteen. Answer got it?
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  So at this point redacted is completely off of the count.
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  Answer yeah, four. Yeah, he was off at this time.
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  Question okay, answer, but the thing is he could come back.
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  Question got it? Answer That's why I'm saying. I know
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  you're saying that, Hey, he should have I can't say that.
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  Question So you're not like upset at the fact like
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  that he didn't notify you and then you could have
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  notified the captain. You don't think that would have been
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  what he should have done. Answer I mean, yeah, that's
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  definitely helpful, and it would have been appreciated, but to
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  say that, you know, he's in the wrong for not
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  doing it and stuff like that. I can't say that.
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  Question okay, And he didn't notify you. Answer no, not
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  that I recall question okay, all right, So we're going
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  to move on from that. You can give that back
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  or you can hold on to it, whatever you want
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  to do. Do you know at any cameras in the
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  mcc shoe that were not working on August ninth or tenth?
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  Answer no, that they weren't working. Question yeah, answer no.
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  Question have you did you ever were you made aware
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  of that after August ninth? Any cameras were not working? Answer?
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  I heard something about it when they was like checking
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  videos and stuff. Question what did you hear about it?
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  Answer that some of them was showing grainy question and
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  who would have been responsible for making sure the cameras
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  were working? Answer facilities? Question who from facility should we
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  speak with? Answer I'm not sure. Question who worked in facilities? Answer? Whoever?
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  They manager? Is facilities manager? Question do you know who
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  that person was back in August? Answer was probably vacant.
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  Question vacant was there or redacted? Answer? Yeah, redacted he
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  was there? Question did he send a supervisor. Answer he's
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  not a supervisor. He's a contact, though he's a contact.
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  Question would he be somebody that would be good to
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  speak with on that? Answer? Yeah? Probably? Question all right,
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  were you aware though that prior to that time that
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  they weren't working? Answer the cameras? No question? No, okay?
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  Who is VOP employee redacted? Answer? I know him? Question
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  do you know what his position was in August of
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  twenty nineteen? Answer he would have been a manager. Question
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  what does that role entail? What are his duties and responsibilities? Answer?
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  He's a supervisor of a unit team? Question what unit team?
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  At the time? Do you know? Answer? I'm not sure.
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  Question did you have any communication with regard to Epstein
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  with redacted? Answer like what? Question just with them being
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  housed within the shoe? Answer I probably talked to him
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  about something, but I don't recall nothing specific. Question okay,
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  answer no communication like that. I don't know. Question did
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  you ever provide them with any kinds of special instruction
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  with regard to Epstein? Answer not that I recall. Question no,
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  what about did you ever communicate with redacted regarding rounds
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  being conducted in the shoe or Epstein needing a cell mate.
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  Answer not that I recall. Question are you aware that
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  redacted allowed Epstein to make a telephone call on the
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  evening of August ninth, twenty nineteen. Answer I think I
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  heard something about that. I don't know was it redacted? Though,
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  I just heard something. I think he made a phone call.
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  Question all right, so do you know anything about redacted
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  involved with the phone call? Answer? No question? All right.
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  What's your understanding of the phone call that took place
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  on August ninth with Epstein's telephone call? Answer it was
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  a regular phone call. Question did you hear that it
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  was made in the shower area? Answer? No question. Have
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  you ever heard of telephone calls being made in the
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  shower area? Answer in the shower area? Yeah. Question and
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  what's the purpose of that? Answer the cord can't reach
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  And I'll say we got them out taking a shower. Hey,
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  I'm going to give you a phone right now while
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  on while you're right there. I don't have to pull
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  you out. And it's like a time consuming method. Question
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  do you know if the line that would have been
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  using in that area would be a recorded line or
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  a legal line? Answer it's two. There's two. Question Okay, So,
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  would there be any reason to provide someone with a
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  legal line that's not recorded? Answer no, would there be
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  a reason? Answer a question? Yeah, answer no question. So
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  why if they provided Epstein a phone call in the
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  shower area for a legal line? Would that be wrong? Answer?
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  You mean an unmonitored line? Question? Yeah? Answer if they
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  gave them an unmonitored line answer question right answer yeah,
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  on that they didn't know which one it is. Question
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  And if they did not know that, they gave him
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  a legal line that was an unmonitored line. Should someone
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  have monitored that call? Answer you can't, though you said
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  it was unmonitored. Question No, I mean like sit there
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  and listen to the call. Answer Oh, you mean like
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  I mean they do that all the time. I think
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  they could, you know, they let the call. They're legal attorneys,
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  and yeah, they do that. Question Okay, and if they
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  didn't do that? Answer I don't know if it's a violation,
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  but it's not common. Question. Yeah. So let's say if
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  the captain even authorized it, Yeah, give him his phone call,
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  just make sure you monitor and log it. Answer no, question,
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  they didn't monitor it, they didn't log it. Would that
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  be a problem? Answer The captain telling me. Yeah. Question
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  all right, did you ever hear of the practice taking
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  place in the past? Answer unmonitored calls? Question yeah, or
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  like letting somebody in the shoe have a phone call
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  on that unmonitored line, walking away, letting the person talk.
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  Answer no, Now from an officer's standpoint, question yeah, answer
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  no question. You've never seen that before or heard of that?
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  Answer officers, no question. Okay, what's the policy for inmates
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  making calls from the shoe? Answer? I don't know. They
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  could get they got to come. There's an indiscernible in
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  shoe that everyone has a line, a compassionate phone line,
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  and they get with the captain or the chaplain excuse me,
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  and they can make a phone call, like say they
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  might you only get one phone call every thirty days.
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  So chaplain comes in, Hey, give this guy a call.
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  They come up, they bring him up, They let him
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  use the compassionate phone. Question And when you say, what's
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  a compassionate phone answer yeah, it's like something they have,
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  you know, a death in the family or something like that.
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  Question But is that a monitored call? Answer? I don't
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  think so, but I mean staff would stay with them.
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  It's monitored yeah, it's monitored. Question and so anybody in
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  the staff, it's either a monitored line or staff is
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  with them. Is that correct answer? If it's monitored in
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  the shoe question yeah answer yeah. Question. So when I
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  say monitored, I mean it's either a recorded line or
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  you're right there. And what are the reasons why you
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  would give him an unrecorded line or a non recorded line?
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  Answer I mean probably like an emergency or something. Definitely. Yeah.
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  So like the chaplain, ain't the hey you know, okay? Question?
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  But if it was in the shower area, they would
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  actually have the ability to do either a recorded line
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  or a non recorded line. Answer yeah. Question they're right
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  next to each other. Answer it's a jack yeah. Question Yeah, okay.
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  What about what's the MCC policy on conducting searches in
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  the shoe cell searches? Answer you have to search the cell.
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  Question do you know about them not conducting cell searches?
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  Answer staff not conducting question yeah? Answer like what question?
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  Like for instance, hear cell search from nine South or
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  the Shoe on August ninth. It's one cell search. It
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  was conducted at twelve thirty six pm during the day
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  by redacted. It's the only cell search that was conducted
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  on August ninth. Is that weird for you that you
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  would see only one search conducted on a day? Answer meh.
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  Question are they supposed to conduct more than one cell search? Answer? Yeah? Question?
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  How many are they supposed to conduct? Answer five? Question?
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  And is it at least five on night watch and
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  during the day watch? Answer per shift? Question? What's that answer?
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  Per shift? Question? Per shift, everyone's supposed to do five?
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  Answer yeah. Question is that including the morning watch? Answer?
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  No question, So day watch he gets cut off by
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  the lieutenant do area searches or morning watch? Question? So
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  your understanding is that on d watch and on night
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  watch it's supposed to be five per shift? Answer? Yeah? Question?
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  And are you aware if they weren't doing that? Answer
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  question or is it that you were saying before an
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  abnormal day? Answer? I mean, I don't know. I wasn't
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  aware that they wasn't doing it. No question, okay. And
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  is there any responsibility for the ops or activity? Is
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  lieutenant overseeing to make sure that these cell searches are
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  being conducted? Answer? Yeah, question there is answer yeah. Question
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  And what is that responsibility? Answer? I mean pretty much
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  we check every thirty days they've got to be done.
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  Every cell is supposed to be searched every thirty days. Question,
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  every selling there is supposed to be searched every thirty days.
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  Answer the whole unit question. Okay, and that's where the
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  Ops lieutenant and Activity is lieutenant come in. Answer any
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  lieutenant question, any lieutenant answer. It's everybody's responsibility question. So
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  I guess what I'm asking is on August ninth, there's
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  no shoe lieutenant in there as the Activities lieutenant or
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  the Ops lieutenant on any of the watches. Should have
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  they been like making sure that they were doing their job?
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  Answer I'm not sure. Question you're not sure? Answer? Yeah,
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  question because I mean that's in truscope. It's like you're
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  not checking truscope at the time. He gets cut off
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  by the investigator. Yeah, yeah, the lieutenant picks it back up.
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  And on top of that, I think the cells the
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  cameras probably show the cells being checked. I'm quite sure
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  they just didn't log them. Question all right, so you
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  think that they're actually searching them? Answer they got to
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  question and not locking it. Answer you got to, Hey,
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  get out, you're doing a feed and cuff up showers.
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  You come out and yeah, so they not locked. Question
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  but would it be surprising to you to hear that
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  there was a lot of extra linens and clothing and
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  all that kind of stuff in the shoe? Answer that's
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  not surprising. Question. So if they're doing self searches, wouldn't
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  they take that stuff out and keep them with the
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  he gets cut off by the lieutenant I suppose, so yeah.
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  Question all right, but you believe that they were actually
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  conducting the cell searches? Answer I'm quite sure more than
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  one was conducted. Question Okay, so you think it was
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  just this is all that they logged, but they probably
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  did more. Answer? Yeah, all right, folks, we're gonna wrap
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  up right here, and in the next episode dealing with
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  the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
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