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Talks to Nathan Bottomley about his choice of The Parting of the Ways (2/2) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I'm so drunk. Welcome back to have some of a
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  blunt penknife the Doctor Who consciously podcast after a
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  thrilling experience on satellite five with my dear
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  friend and love of my life. Nathan possibly, but I'm now
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  heading into passing of the ways.
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  How are you feeling about that? I'm a little bit nervous.
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  I'm not sure. This is going to turn out very
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  well for anyone involved. And the death count in this one
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  is pretty high. Yeah.
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  Yeah and Not high in a kind of cynical Eric's a weird way it's
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  high in a cynical Russell T Davies way which is orders of
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  magnitude more satisfying but it is really properly Bleak.
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  Yeah in a way where I actually remember the time thinking are
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  we just leaving that hanging? Is that really how that ends?
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  You know? Like it it's really something.
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  It's all characters that we care about their dietary.
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  Yeah. We thought of death lands, mmm.
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  And some of the real ABS, our boy will get that.
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  Yeah. But then it'll be all sorts of
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  the culmination. And I know is how was forced by
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  Christopher Eccleston deciding to leave before the series even
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  aid. But even the doctor dies in
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  this. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Do you remember the thing?
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  So this is a regeneration story. Forgot a well I guess it's a
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  regeneration story like the first one.
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  I don't know. But anyway, it's a regenerate.
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  Right? There's a regeneration in and I
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  remember wondering, you know, at the time because like we had
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  seen the first episode, then the announcement came out like a day
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  or two later than Eccleston was leaving and so the entire time
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  we're now watching this thinking, fuck is this even
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  going to continue after this year?
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  And then I think we hear that tenant has been cast and but
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  what I didn't, No was were they going to be able to do?
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  Did they do are they going to do a proper regeneration scene or
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  is it? They're gonna have to fudge it
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  in some way because Eccleston stop shooting and staff.
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  And so the fact that they ditional suspense when you are
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  watching this say well yeah this thing you know and he's going
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  yeah that's right and I think you kind of forget maybe because
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  so much is happening that you forget that this is Chris's last
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  episode. I think as you're watching it.
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  But it really was a surprise that we got a regeneration
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  saying and a regeneration seen that was so incredibly good
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  because this is the Hartnell to trout and regeneration episode,
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  isn't it? Because it's like what it is.
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  But I still think that there was a big mystery around now, you
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  know, a bloody clue what was going on.
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  Whereas here, no, it spans are being held at in saying it's
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  alright, it's going to be okay. Yeah, you know I'm Gonna Change
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  Because but Russell has to be careful about it because you
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  remember the, you know, like in the Riders tail, there's a copy
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  of like something that's like the plan for the thing, like the
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  plan for the first season or something and it says explicitly
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  there. You know.
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  It says the thing about the doctor not being a news and
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  public school boy, like you always has been or whatever.
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  And it also says that we don't, we're not mentioning
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  regeneration, we're not mentioning anything like that,
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  you know, we just not going to bring that up because you
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  remember that in the 80s, the doctor's regeneration thing
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  happens, you know, gets And all the time and in the mafia it
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  kind of does a bit as well. Yeah yeah laughing more feet
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  tall. Yeah but but he wasn't going to
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  bring it up and so suddenly has to do it and it's this show
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  that's been huge and successful. And then you're going to pull
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  the stupid stunts of just recasting the lead actor, you
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  know, quite, when everybody's Fallin In Love.
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  Yeah, and it's stupid like the whole regeneration thing is Is
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  so paper thin and so are totally ridiculous.
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  That, you know, really the doctor comes from a race of
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  people who get recast every three years or so you know, like
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  and and so it was absolutely the right thing for them to do, but
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  it could so easily have failed and here, when the show's Soho
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  high profile High-profile, you know, that it's been in decades
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  and they replacing the guy and Russell does such a Deft job of
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  making it. Okay?
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  And, you know, obviously we then lead into the, you know,
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  children in need special and the Christmas Invasion, which does
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  that brilliant job of selling David Tennant, but these white
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  Generations, we introduced an amazing doctor that everybody
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  fell in love with, and then recast him with an even more
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  amazing, actor, the audience. Absolutely were bowled over by
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  yeah and they didn't. You're right.
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  That did not have to work. In fact, every single time, the
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  doctor regenerates, it doesn't have to work, they know.
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  I don't, you know, like, I mean, I'll point out Colin Baker.
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  I won't say it was a failure, but there was some resistance
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  up, Peter Clarity, there was some resistance there.
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  Yeah, yeah. See shit, head off.
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  So, you know, what's our awesome?
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  Yeah. But I did, like, I think because
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  the show are round, he him is so strong, you know, that it's sort
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  of manages to survive the transition.
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  I don't think tenet is quite the actor that Eccleston he is, but
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  he's as charismatic as hell. And, you know, those, those
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  three years of Doctor Who are just getting bleep, right?
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  That's part of his success. Is that some via the
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  storytelling is so incredibly good in those three, See ya, you
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  think we should play out differently?
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  Then if this wasn't a regeneration story, I don't
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  think so. Because I think that what you do
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  is that you have the doctor save but somehow survived at some
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  cost but you know Michael something eat have to go back
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  for Jak straight away though. I'm in the Regeneration.
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  Rather takes his mind away from that but yeah.
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  Yeah. And he does a great job like
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  Jackie's like a question mark hanging over the series because
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  he's kind of left him to die and you know, as far as he knows,
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  Jacks dead and Earth is destroyed like completely
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  destroyed. And there is that throwaway line
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  in the children in need special where, you know, tend to go.
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  So he's, you know, building and up the Earth again or rebuilding
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  the Earth, you know, and, you know, he just sort of throws it
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  away and we go off and do other things, but it does make for a
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  great reunions in Topia a really, really good reunions
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  where they've got business. You know, you guys are what, you
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  know, absolute error because I want them asking what's
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  happening to jack for a whole year.
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  Hey, year after, I know, he's so good.
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  So he just knows how to manipulate his audience.
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  Yeah, yeah. Well, shall we think?
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  I think we should. Yeah, quiet.
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  I will comes in this time, if you're Ready.
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  Okay yep. I'm ready in five four, three,
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  two, one off. We owe and Robinson again.
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  Yeah, that's such a shocking moment.
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  Is that a user? Brilliant pianist and I shan't
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  get some little caviar. Yeah, it's great and it's really
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  fun at like she's, you know, killed Rose, but everything's
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  okay. Now and it's just a terribly fun
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  caveat that you absolutely have to see.
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  I think it's really good. I love all this.
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  I was just packing all the excitement of bad wolf in about
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  30 seconds. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah I love how
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  the Daleks call her he's associate it's I'm funny they're
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  not going to say friend that would just sound ridiculous.
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  Having the Daleks say the word friend wonderfully parched on
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  the piper in brown dwarf. But I did there is yeah.
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  Moments in this where she proved her worth and then some I mean,
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  she's terrific scene in the cafe crater?
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  Yeah, I think it's one of those. It's so surprising.
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  Again, the show ends up in a place that you could never ever
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  have predicted. So we get that trick, the doctor
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  pulls that trick on Clara twice in Time of the Doctor where he
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  just sends her back, you know, out of Harm's Way.
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  But here, it's absolutely gutted.
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  It sounds good Leah. Yeah Franny places so well econ
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  so brilliantly. Yeah yeah.
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  And again it's the mask thing and even Murray joins in on the
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  deception will get there but Marie actually helps to sell
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  that. He solved the problem.
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  I remember watching this with my ex-husband and he was quite
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  interested in this series and the bit where roses at console
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  screaming. Take me.
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  A back and she's like, you know, pulling all believers are left
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  over. Yeah, tears.
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  It's all right. So I'll never forget that but it
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  wasn't a very emotional blow. I'm like, Rusty.
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  This is tapping into something here.
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  So, look, we've got the extrapolator on the console and
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  that's from Boom Town, isn't it? That was what Margaret sylvain
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  was going to serve angle? A so, yeah, so yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  the doctor materializing. The Artists around the two of
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  them are the first time. We've never done that before.
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  It's so incredible. This Dalek here.
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  The dying Newson is had eyes, doesn't it nothing?
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  This is lovely. All hugs.
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  And and she. And then, yeah.
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  Yeah. You know, they're such a lovely
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  card esteem, or they, oh yeah, just terrific.
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  And a bit later, where they kiss. oh, absolutely incredible
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  though the two of them and that was a thing that we were really
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  kind of waiting for I think The dog says in a minute.
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  Come on. Look, it's got meet the
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  neighbors. I think that Rusty Davis
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  understood that we never ever, should have seen the time or
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  ever. No, yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, hints. And Whispers And imagery, and
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  crazy Concepts, and then our brains do the rest.
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  The second, you see the time War.
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  Cowboys. He's boring.
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  Yeah, it's like a It's Like a Star Wars thing, you know like
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  and the way that he describes this time or in the Rose
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  novelization is pretty incredible to like just amazing.
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  We didn't talk about the end of the next time trailer, which has
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  the voice that we heard just now.
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  Go they survived through me to remember that and so it was like
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  that I thought it was Adam. So here was my dear.
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  You right? I did well.
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  So how do the Daleks know about 20th century TV programs in the
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  2000 Century or whatever it is? That would make sense one day.
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  Yeah. And what I didn't realize was
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  that Doctor Who because does that need explaining or not.
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  And at this point, we don't know whether this version of Doctor
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  Who Needs to explain why three contemporary Why the doctor and
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  his companions are in three contemporary reality shows?
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  And it turns out this version of Doctor Who doesn't need to
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  explain that. The reason is that doctor who is
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  confident 2005 and it's exactly. But I thought maybe Adam knew
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  about it or something because he's left behind and this is a
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  sequel to the long game. Gosh, this is Darling, wasn't
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  it? That was a lot of people.
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  Booting now idea about, in fact, yeah, the next Four Seasons as
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  well. Yeah.
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  Well no, I thought he was probably He was canceled the
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  actor and, and so he cancelled. Yeah.
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  What is a station active? Okay, I'm fine.
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  I approve of cancel culture, you know, this would be use a lot of
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  blue screen in these seats. Yeah, but I really love all the
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  beat out like behind Chris reckling.
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  See these little, these tiny, little Daleks.
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  Don't know about their travels. Yeah.
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  Lovely. Little details.
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  Yeah, honestly. You see the Army.
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  Flying about That's really great.
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  Yeah I think it's the blue screen when so he's in front of
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  a practical said, isn't he? But when he's facing the a Dalek
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  hmm and the emperor Dalek sounds like the emperor.
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  Dalek from Evil. It doesn't need a lot like
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  Nicholas Briggs to me. Yeah, yeah.
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  And but it's the thing that Nicholas Briggs does it is
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  season where he does die, like voices and he's imitating.
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  Like, eventually does this shtick where he's imitating
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  Peter Hawkins and David Graham, and you can kind of tell which
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  Dalek is trying to do and maybe he does the occasional who said,
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  other guy, who I don't think is very good.
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  It's good. Zippy yeah, we didn't have zp.
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  When I was a child and I feel fine about that, it's not
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  actually that he has absolutely mastered doing interesting
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  things with the Dalek Voice by out big finish because he didn't
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  early. The original tale.
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  Yeah, which is great. He's giving like very good vocal
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  performances by our might be facetious about Nicholas bricks
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  but the the work he's done with the monsters throughout the new
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  sea routes, right. It's like revolutionaries
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  playing that, you know, Newton on the woman's back, the police.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Which is a another great
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  reformers. Yeah.
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  I think the Blue Screen Works incredibly well, it's so So, you
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  know, these scenes where ecosystems looking back at the
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  Daleks behind him and then behind him is the a Dalek, which
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  is all blue screen and just looks really terrifically,
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  convincing. I think the all of this about
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  being driven mad by your own flesh on Steve, Daleks into
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  racial Purity and now they're made out of humans.
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  But it's also that their religious Maniacs as well.
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  Like when the doctor says, there's a joke about the TV
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  movie here. Isn't that where the doctor says
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  All half-human or part human and the Daleks a that is blasphemy.
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  But that but the Daleks, so the Daleks are Nazis, you know, like
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  in Genesis of the Daleks, they're sort of Communists in a
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  way when they're first introduced.
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  Although there's an element of Nazism in there as well.
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  But here here, their religious maniacs, and we're four years
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  after 9/11 where a bunch of, you know, radicalized religious
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  maniacs. Did the big terrorism
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  everywhere? And and we've already dealt with
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  that story, with that event earlier on this season, in
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  Aliens of London, I just think, you know, he's reinvented them
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  and made them something different.
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  And there is a thread of negativity, towards religion, I
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  think, in this season, or at least ambivalence to it, there
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  are plenty of throw. I think he cracks a little in
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  gridlock. That's me way, I think, yeah.
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  In gridlock is is beautifully done.
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  It's an incredible meditation on religion, that that sequence of
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  second ago. Yeah, I'm so skip back to the
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  80s, right. You got Eric's award writing
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  stories where by the end of it, it's been a huge Massacre and
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  the doctor standing there going. Oh, there should have been
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  another way. Well, I'll tell you now, Rusty
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  Davis, mates, the point of the doctor in that kind of situation
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  where he leans his head against the wall of the TARDIS and the
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  camera. In about 2 seconds and it's so
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  good. It's really good.
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  Yeah, it's the sort of shot just would not have any Classic
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  series, you know where do we are inside the doctors heads.
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  Yeah, that's it. Yeah, the doctor has no interior
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  already particularly in in the classic series but although
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  there are moments charges to Jesse, dude.
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  Yeah, but that's a beautiful thing.
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  I suggested it, you know, terribly.
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  Yeah, yes, I'm and yeah, just what I was gonna say, I don't
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  think there's ever a point in Doctor, Who before, or since
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  where the threat of the Daleks coming for you, is as effective
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  as it is, in this story. Yeah.
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  So we've got the scene with the, the CG CG I model or the
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  computer model of the station, and it's made clear to us that
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  there. As you know, we've just been on
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  4000. We're up at floor 500.
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  We already know that. That's how many flaws there are
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  from the long game. And so this whole thing is about
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  them. Gradually coming up to floor,
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  500 and they don't do quite what the doctor predicts know is that
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  they go straight down, all those people.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  I'll probably be. Okay.
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  Yeah. And they do it for no other
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  reason than that, their dialects, you know, and you know
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  what to make stick. Is Jo join us reaction which you
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  can hear them all spring. She's trying to touch the
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  console to turn it off because it's so perfect.
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  It's really good. It's good.
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  It's so dramatic. Look at roses face.
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  Well, they're being cute together.
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  She's such a bitch because I love it.
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  She could be a horrible cow. Aren't you groans?
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  She goes, I really played into those moments because I love
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  Well it's it's something that Russell does like rose like
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  roses often really compassionate.
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  I just think of, you know, how like at the end of love and
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  monsters you know, like she's really cross with Elton because
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  elton's been horrible to her mother or whatever and then
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  she's really kind of she's concerned for him and stuff you
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  know is she's he just draws characters so deaf.
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  Italy. And they can be Comic
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  characters, but they're not quite sitcom characters, like
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  they're not caricatures even Jackie, you know, who's the
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  closest I think to a, sitcom character that the show has,
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  he's a real person heads that these people are always nice and
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  lovely way of. I love that there.
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  Then, it's, you and me. I know that.
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  Ya know you're gonna say that. These are.
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  Yeah, yes, Harvest. But I said to you, this is the
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  closest I've come. I think, right?
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  What could be jealous? And I can be nasty and I can be
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  all of those things. I like it.
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  I know people don't because they want to see idealized versions
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  of people on there, when you know what, you get?
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  Then, you get Clara Oswald. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  That's right. And that, like, I think Clara is
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  a flawed character eventually when they decide to play that
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  beat harp when they decide that he's a control freak.
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Suddenly that comes out of the air in time in the doctor and
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  she's kind of sweet until then you know, Is it constantly
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  looking after children and staff?
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  What's going on with bamas hair? Yeah.
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  I never liked the kind of his has terrible here.
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  When he's in Torchwood. It's a huge embarrassment.
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  That's it. He's got his army of about 10.
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  People saved on the darling. I mean, I think they notice a
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  fruit. That's a fair, right?
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  But I mean, there's lots of people, you know, downstairs.
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  And I love that look, they probably won't come their head.
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  A upstairs to the control room, you'll be okay.
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  I see even if the rumors are true and things were not great
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  between Augustine and Piper in this episode.
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  It's worth noting that chemistry and you know it's great but I
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  think this scene is is really terrific.
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  You know, the two of them are really good together and like
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  they're not making lots of eye contact.
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  Here we go. But it works in context because
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  he didn't even occur to you tomorrow.
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  Why she responds to the she responds to that in such a cute
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  way. It's how I'm so good.
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  You know. But this you know suddenly he's
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  had an idea and Mari comes in there with a musical that's kind
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  of yes you know, for the whole thing with brittle, All of the
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  performance up till now is we're doing this at, but the Daleks
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  are going to come and probably kill us.
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  And we've had, you know, that we've had Jack go downstairs
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  saying CU, you know, it was nice, whatever.
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  And this is so amazingly great. And when Rose looks around the
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  corner of the console later, you know, waiting for something to
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  happen. It's so good.
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  It's so great. I just gotta go out and pull
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  these leavers. There's something about yes.
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  Nice toss. Yeah yeah.
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  Got ya is what is a kid? Yeah.
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  Yeah. He just stops and like all of
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  that fan has drained from his face and he's doing this thing
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  and as he's doing it look look at her.
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  She's looking around waiting for him to come back in.
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  Haiti is still a holding the button waiting for him to come
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  back. It's Mickey isn't it?
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  What they did to make it? No, that's later that's in.
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  Rise of the Cybermen, where Mickey's been holding down the
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  control for half an hour because the doctor forgot to tell him to
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  let go of when the Hologram in, it looks straight at the
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  audience know that. I think I tear up then because
• 23:35
  it's it's not just that because the Hologram is all kind of like
• 23:40
  the Holograms in Star Wars, you know.
• 23:42
  It's flickering and there's interference patterns and stuff
• 23:44
  like that. And then suddenly he decides to
• 23:47
  dump all of those interference patterns, he's in close up
• 23:51
  rather than, you know, a long distance away.
• 23:54
  Like we've see a long shot of the Hologram here but then
• 23:57
  suddenly he just turned straight to camera.
• 23:59
  There's none of the interference patterns or anything like that,
• 24:02
  it's a perfect hologram and he just says, have a fantastic
• 24:06
  life. And and that's the thing that
• 24:11
  doctor who is about in this era in a way like, I think, and And
• 24:16
  it loses even your best life. Yeah.
• 24:19
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 24:20
  Yeah. You know the docs are taught me
• 24:23
  a better way of living my life through the motions.
• 24:27
  Well, I mean let's go back to Clara and Capaldi.
• 24:29
  Again, we're being with the doctor is like a destructive
• 24:32
  addiction that will eventually be men.
• 24:36
  Yeah, yeah, where they have a toxic relationship with each
• 24:38
  other and that has its do that and she reacts she reacts to
• 24:44
  the, it's the Voice treatment. Isn't that?
• 24:47
  Like the voice treatment changes to?
• 24:49
  Yeah it's very it's very clear. What's up?
• 24:52
  Yeah, desperation here. Yes.
• 24:58
  She's literally just beating up the console.
• 25:00
  This isn't. Yeah.
• 25:03
  She's really good. Like, she just, hey, solutely
• 25:06
  going for it. But, you know this, okay, so
• 25:09
  this stark contrast of the station, the Tardis, and then
• 25:12
  this concrete block this girl. Yeah, I think it just
• 25:17
  encapsulating rusty Davis's, Dr. Who that's where the saw, the
• 25:21
  Fantastical, and the mundane. And the urban this happens a few
• 25:25
  times. Now we go back.
• 25:26
  To the Daleks attacking people. And then suddenly there's a shot
• 25:29
  of roast chickens honest. Yeah, yeah.
• 25:33
  Yeah. And it's just a mixture of the,
• 25:36
  to the Rusty family stuff. Really.
• 25:39
  He's also canceled, but I still love the character.
• 25:45
  I'm I do too. I think he's magnificent and I
• 25:48
  think null does a great job like a really, really properly could
• 25:53
  job. And can you even like where it's
• 25:56
  like, Character in the series while yeah, where he's talking
• 26:00
  Rose was interesting, what? That recording block was a
• 26:03
  problem, wasn't it? And I like to blame Keith Keith,
• 26:07
  a good director is not very good, but but, you know, like
• 26:12
  he's really good and by the Cyberman, two-parter, you know,
• 26:17
  or even even that Moffat episode, where he kind of joins
• 26:20
  in is, it's really terrific - I've been doomsday, you know,
• 26:24
  where p and Jackie are. In the corridor, and he's just
• 26:28
  standing there against the wall with his arms folded.
• 26:30
  Loving the whole thing playing out.
• 26:32
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ari's Come Blow.
• 26:35
  Look at that Daleks ghoulish, isn't it?
• 26:38
  That's really good. Yeah, it's great.
• 26:41
  You know, and we need more puppets.
• 26:44
  I want more puppet monsters on Doctor Who and here is a
• 26:47
  fantastic puppet monster. Let's just really properly, well
• 26:51
  realized it's great. I like the shorthand between
• 26:54
  doctor and Jack as well. He basically just said, Says
• 26:56
  that Rose has gone, she's out of the way.
• 26:58
  Let's do this thing. You know, there's no arguing no
• 27:02
  and the doctor knows what I mean.
• 27:04
  Jack knows what the doctor has done without even needing to be
• 27:08
  told, and he approves of it, like, he predicted it would be
• 27:13
  like, right, well so I tricked her.
• 27:15
  I sent her in the time and we would have had an argument about
• 27:19
  it. But like so here's the doctor
• 27:25
  being where we Setting it up where the doctor makes the has
• 27:29
  to make the same choice that he made in the time or.
• 27:32
  Yeah. And what, and also been
• 27:34
  avoiding, he's been avoiding making big choices at the climax
• 27:38
  throughout the entire season. Yeah, yeah.
• 27:40
  Yeah. We made it go that people do
• 27:42
  stuff. Yeah.
• 27:43
  And I think we need to do that and I don't think I think that
• 27:47
  Moffat is still right that. There's a problem and The Day of
• 27:52
  the Doctor is the right time to deal with it, to get it to
• 27:55
  replay itself. Elf and in the usual Moffat e
• 27:58
  way. It's kind of like, will it's a
• 28:00
  story. So let's do a narrative.
• 28:03
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It like I've, you know,
• 28:17
  Gallifrey yeah, you can do you think Russell will destroy
• 28:22
  Gallifrey again like when he comes back?
• 28:24
  I love you. Oh, so like Alternate the
• 28:28
  chickens. Oh yeah, I love it.
• 28:31
  This whole Secrets. I taste, my dear friend.
• 28:35
  Fraser Gregory valency update. This, he's absolutely is
• 28:39
  absolutely wrong about this thinks she's better than.
• 28:44
  And she never says that she never once has actually says,
• 28:47
  I've got you expect a way of living at my wife.
• 28:49
  She likes blissett. Lee doesn't say that she
• 28:53
  explicitly. Doesn't it like she explicitly
• 28:54
  says, no, not that. That she just loves you.
• 28:57
  It's not about aliens. It's not about planets.
• 29:00
  It's about who I am when I'm with ya.
• 29:04
  That's great sitting here eating chips and far out.
• 29:08
  I can't say how much I love Camille, Could you?
• 29:13
  Hurry, I just think she's so so good like in this whole thing
• 29:18
  and it is, you know, she's the most comedy character in it but
• 29:23
  she has real interior already and real, real heart.
• 29:28
  And, you know, I could choose a top ten come here.
• 29:33
  A jury moment says, just too many to fit when you realize
• 29:36
  she's in the Tardis and I'll be a ghost.
• 29:39
  Yeah, I think I think love and monsters is unbelievably great
• 29:44
  like it when she finds a picture.
• 29:46
  Yeah, yeah. But even before that even before
• 29:49
  that when she spills the drink on Elton because she's being
• 29:53
  flirty and silly and then realizes that that was wrong and
• 29:57
  a bit pathetic, you know. And realizing why she's behaving
• 30:01
  like this or even The moment know what the meaning of the
• 30:05
  Christmas Invasion beginning of the Christmas Invasion where she
• 30:08
  just has the Christmas present for Rose and puts it down.
• 30:12
  Oh yeah. Now I love the bit where he's
• 30:14
  like any distinguishing features.
• 30:16
  Yeah a fire extinguisher break your heart.
• 30:24
  Make you belly. Yeah yeah well it's that thing
• 30:28
  you know people have rightly said the doctor who wouldn't
• 30:30
  have lasted as long as it did. If it hadn't been for In for
• 30:35
  Jackie heels Barbara because she grounds the show and stands up
• 30:41
  to the dock is just tremendous I do too and I but I would say the
• 30:45
  same thing for Camille. I just think that she grounds
• 30:51
  this show and makes like this is a show with like stupid CGI.
• 30:57
  Daleks pouring out of a over being even but it's incredible.
• 31:03
  Hot. But the show only works as
• 31:06
  something that just an audience, a big Mass audience of millions
• 31:11
  of people on Saturday night. I was watching this are about
• 31:14
  the people because there's recognizable people in it is
• 31:17
  it's not space, but he did. That deliberately didn't.
• 31:20
  Answer is why every episode in some way on Earth.
• 31:25
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gets you know, it's this thing
• 31:30
  where they're making this show in.
• 31:33
  Secret with no idea of how it's going to be received.
• 31:36
  If it's even going to get a second season and they're super
• 31:39
  careful, not to alienate this material.
• 31:43
  They must have no empty child doctor dances this.
• 31:46
  Yeah, surely. But you know, like the Sylvester
• 31:50
  McCoy era, was brilliant. Not as brilliant as this but
• 31:53
  brilliant in classic Doctor Who terms and no one gave a shit.
• 31:56
  You know, like it wasn't you know like it didn't have to
• 32:00
  work. No and they try really.
• 32:03
  Hard to make it work and I think the pressures off in the series
• 32:07
  to to some degree. And it's still hugely popular
• 32:12
  and that's pretty great season. But you can see that they don't
• 32:16
  feel. They have to quite go to those
• 32:18
  lengths to sell it to the audience, they kind of assume
• 32:21
  that it's all. Okay.
• 32:23
  I think these hundreds of dollars pouring into this set.
• 32:27
  Yeah. There's apps that the effects
• 32:32
  like come on, or are they did not have a massive budget.
• 32:35
  I just think it's extra, probably hundreds of Daleks
• 32:38
  either. It's the meaning was working
• 32:39
  Round the Clock. Eric, right?
• 32:41
  Yeah. But they weren't they,
• 32:42
  apparently they were just so desperate to make this as good
• 32:45
  as it can possibly be. Yeah.
• 32:47
  That was a labor of love, wasn't it?
• 32:49
  Oh God. You know what?
• 32:50
  Being a minute that? I mean it's one thing after
• 32:52
  another these seats. But the bit where she tells
• 32:56
  Jackie that she saw pain, Emotional runs through that
• 33:01
  scene where she's like you know Jack like stop it.
• 33:05
  She's like that's how good the doctor is.
• 33:08
  Yeah yeah. Well in up here.
• 33:10
  It's really good. Isn't it?
• 33:11
  And yeah. Oh no.
• 33:16
  He's gonna do what he's doing that.
• 33:17
  Wonderful thing. The five doctors they're
• 33:19
  throwing the dark shadow on the wall before you see it.
• 33:22
  I love that. Yeah.
• 33:26
  And you've got Joe, join us character, basically saying,
• 33:28
  where they are? Are in the station.
• 33:32
  Yeah, yeah. Like she's basically there to
• 33:34
  get bet to kind of, you know, to sort of explain it.
• 33:40
  Ha ha. Wow and so they were lasers that
• 33:43
  were going to explode them all but they never they never they
• 33:46
  never work. Are we get a Eric's a would
• 33:49
  reference up here somewhere? She not think it's fabulous that
• 33:51
  they are bullets so far for the laser guns.
• 33:54
  Yeah. But they are bastok bullets
• 33:56
  which are excited invented for revelation of the Daleks going
• 34:03
  back to what you were saying earlier about.
• 34:04
  You know, you can fill the screen for the dialect, but
• 34:07
  unless you have no characters that you care about, About then
• 34:10
  it is just, you know, a lot of matching that's resurrection of
• 34:12
  the Daleks in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 34:15
  But also the Daleks are kind of boring in that.
• 34:17
  They're just another group of people with guns.
• 34:19
  Whereas here, there really kind of Epic.
• 34:21
  Like they pose a massive massive and very clear and obvious
• 34:25
  threat. It's kind of like, but also
• 34:28
  they're sending Androids to impersonate.
• 34:30
  The doctor to kill the time Lords.
• 34:31
  It's like really, I couldn't possibly care less about that
• 34:36
  right? Is that Rusty Davis uses a plot
• 34:39
  point from Edge Of Destruction about the heart of the TARDIS
• 34:43
  and yeah. A group so they say that yeah
• 34:46
  yeah yeah yeah hello. Mickey Mickey's Mickey's got a
• 34:50
  new car hmm. Remember the yellow Volkswagen
• 34:54
  he had an episode 1 and now he's got to meet you.
• 34:58
  Yeah I think that's maybe very excited that Rusty Davis has
• 35:02
  gone from you know, given us you know, farting aliens and burping
• 35:07
  bins and getting all the kids nice and comfortable.
• 35:10
  Yeah and now he's delivering this a fucking Massacre.
• 35:18
  It's so the Android. Yes, yeah, yeah, she's gone.
• 35:33
  Wow. Yeah.
• 35:35
  All right. Blows up in the air as well.
• 35:36
  That's better. Yeah, that is pretty great.
• 35:39
  By all accounts, you know, Russell Davis.
• 35:40
  And Phil Coulson said that when they met with a, they were
• 35:44
  calling that Miss Robinson or the time, and she said, they
• 35:47
  were looking at her, like they were, like they were mad, but
• 35:49
  they were outside. Hello, Miss Robinson.
• 36:00
  Yeah. Yeah they go.
• 36:03
  They've gone down and so the Daleks disappeared to be in the
• 36:09
  time war that. So no one believes that the
• 36:11
  Daleks exist because they went off to fight the time or and so
• 36:15
  they are no longer a thing and then I guess the doctor
• 36:19
  destroyed them and no one knows about it.
• 36:22
  Oh my God. And so that's her.
• 36:24
  Yeah. She's adjusting the Monitor and
• 36:25
  stuff and yeah. Buildable.
• 36:31
  Oh my God. Oh my goodness.
• 36:33
  She's good. Sorry good and the big West well
• 36:37
  it's coming off there. Yeah.
• 36:40
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 36:41
  But our in staff read about it. I was so shocked.
• 36:44
  You know rapidly of Jojo. Yeah it's really.
• 36:50
  So here we go. Right heading into this
• 36:51
  fabulous. See that with rows.
• 36:52
  And yeah. Yeah and so because there's
• 36:56
  something like I think father's days are magnificent Episode and
• 37:01
  having this be in some way like I haven't get involved here.
• 37:06
  So Jackie has always told rose that her father was a an amazing
• 37:14
  guy and then she goes back and sees that she was going to break
• 37:19
  up real nice for having a thought it was a massive loser
• 37:22
  and stuff. They find you trust me.
• 37:26
  All right. Yeah yeah.
• 37:27
  Yeah. And then and then Having her
• 37:31
  tell Jackie that she was the blond woman.
• 37:37
  Do you remember it? It's so clever because that
• 37:39
  story starts with her telling the story and it was as though
• 37:45
  there was no one there and the boys stops like the boy.
• 37:49
  Oh, it's all, it's all your eyes.
• 37:53
  Chin forgiveness. Yeah, it's that thing.
• 37:56
  Whether the boy, who kills him in the revised, Timeline stops,
• 38:02
  and it was a mistake and Jackie's forgiven him.
• 38:05
  It was an accident like, rather than a hit-and-run, it's so
• 38:08
  good. So good.
• 38:09
  Here we go. We've just destroyed Europe and
• 38:12
  they goes North America is Australia, all of Europe.
• 38:15
  I'll spit baby. Looks like they'd Square.
• 38:17
  They just do Australian after that in the shot afterwards.
• 38:22
  I mean, they show it as a melting map but like there's a
• 38:25
  lot of people dying. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 38:29
  But You know, I think that that's probably as explicit as
• 38:33
  we want it to be. Do not a main and the guys are
• 38:37
  dead. I've created heaven on Earth.
• 38:40
  Yeah, yeah yeah. Yeah, because he's a religious
• 38:43
  Maniac. That's the thing.
• 38:44
  You know, the Daleks of crazed. I love this bit worried because
• 38:49
  of you and she goes, well, you know, I'm not cut out and then
• 38:58
  she dies and then Then he's like plist over the wine.
• 39:03
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 39:04
  If these characters these moments we didn't have these
• 39:06
  moments in Resurrection of the Daleks.
• 39:08
  Wow that's part of the problem, isn't it?
• 39:10
  Yeah. Lies like it not buyer would be
• 39:13
  better directed towards the end against Vladimir doctor but you
• 39:17
  know, it's because he can do this so skillfully and so
• 39:20
  quickly, it doesn't take a lot of time for him to do the thing.
• 39:24
  And now he's still have vivid characterization.
• 39:30
  Yeah, false incredibly good track.
• 39:33
  He waits and nobody's saying, you know what?
• 39:37
  I'm talk to who, you know, it's wonderful but it's, she's
• 39:41
  borrowed, it off Rodrigo who she's clearly having a
• 39:44
  relationship with at the moment. She's having a relationship with
• 39:48
  somebody but don't ask me why. Yeah yeah, it's so good but
• 39:54
  she's with someone else by the Christmas Invasion.
• 39:57
  She's with the guy who gives her the satisfaction Zoomers.
• 40:01
  That's right. He's got a minute.
• 40:04
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. People there beyond that tiny
• 40:12
  little pathetic barricade. Well, those Daleks coming in.
• 40:15
  Yeah, you know what, we haven't even talked about the redesign
• 40:19
  dialects, which it's really good.
• 40:24
  Yeah, and time rivet, some things like that, just make it,
• 40:28
  it was manufactured is so, yeah, Yeah.
• 40:30
  So it makes them more tank-like without changing the the
• 40:34
  silhouette and I think the big thing about the Daleks is the
• 40:37
  silhouette and the proportions have to be right.
• 40:39
  So what he does is there exactly the same but they're just more
• 40:43
  detailed and they seem more like tanks and Moffat.
• 40:48
  Like I don't think that it was moffatt's idea.
• 40:51
  I'm sure that he was as horrified as everyone else.
• 40:52
  When he finally saw those red all I kind of like the minister.
• 40:57
  Did you ever you see that confidential We're aiming P
• 41:01
  Cusack you know desired products and they bring, I bring the new
• 41:05
  Dalek ID to show you and you know he's a fabulous old crank
• 41:08
  in he's really durable down and he goes what you've ruined.
• 41:13
  It, haven't you. They still put it into the
• 41:16
  confidential. That's brilliant.
• 41:19
  Yeah, I have. Okay, I'll just about the
• 41:21
  direction in this scene, where they cut, open the door.
• 41:25
  And you absolutely think this is how she's gonna go.
• 41:28
  Yes. Yeah, Have you seen this?
• 41:32
  We've seen this done. So many times someone cutting
• 41:35
  through a door, but I don't think it's ever ever been done
• 41:38
  better than this. It looks like really, really,
• 41:41
  really real. It's always been like a bit of
• 41:43
  an effects shot in Planet of the Daleks and diet so I guess but
• 41:47
  it's always rafted as drama. Yeah, yeah, but it's also like
• 41:52
  always like a heated Rod going through polystyrene as well.
• 41:55
  Whereas, this looks as much more convincing and then this, holy
• 42:00
  Shit. And the idea, the most
• 42:03
  brilliant, simple idea that we will, we know they're saying
• 42:08
  exterminate because of the rhythm of the lights and that
• 42:13
  Jesus Christ and you come away from her.
• 42:16
  Yeah, yeah, God just like sorry to make this mobile a comic one
• 42:23
  but Steven Alexander was convinced.
• 42:24
  The Dalek says, let me in and not external.
• 42:31
  How are you? What are you watching on TV?
• 42:39
  No, but I actually really love how this is Chinese chain and
• 42:47
  I'm from the Tardis console. I don't really get it to because
• 42:50
  those those Hall things do have a big chain with a thing but it
• 42:54
  wouldn't be that. But I actually I actually love
• 42:57
  how kind of, I guess we have to think maybe the chain will break
• 43:03
  and maybe that's it. But I actually love that they
• 43:06
  just manage to pull it open with a fucking please.
• 43:08
  Trust energy going into Rose and she goes all glowy.
• 43:12
  I that it absolutely reminds me of that and too serious for of
• 43:16
  Buffett. Remember when they put and the
• 43:18
  initiative and they put all this, she came out was
• 43:23
  deflecting bullets and all sorts it.
• 43:25
  I think Russell. Yeah, we watched a lot of
• 43:27
  buffing so he does pull this trick again, at one of the end
• 43:31
  of one of the series of wizards. Vs.
• 43:35
  Aliens as well, doesn't he? I think we're all the magic goes
• 43:39
  into Tom and he becomes a super all-powerful because No, I don't
• 43:48
  think we do. I'm glad they go there because,
• 43:54
  you know, like, it makes this incredibly Bleak, doesn't it?
• 43:58
  Look, it's so good, isn't it? And in fact, do you see how that
• 44:02
  would look like there's blood running down that were behind
• 44:04
  him? Yeah, although yeah, maybe
• 44:08
  that's blood, although they are kind of doing Rusty, you know,
• 44:12
  turning these Flats into rusty metal, And I say those Daleks in
• 44:17
  silhouette with the glowing liar.
• 44:19
  It's dark. It's really good.
• 44:23
  Isn't it? That just that they like the
• 44:24
  front of them is dark. They're not lit from the front,
• 44:26
  a little it from around a behind.
• 44:28
  They look so good. He was just convinced he was
• 44:32
  determined. Sorry to scare the shit out you
• 44:35
  of the Daleks this year was amazing and I feel like yeah,
• 44:37
  subsequent episodes. I've failed to capture this.
• 44:41
  Yeah. And it's a clear reaction
• 44:45
  against the fact that The Daleks kind of ridiculous in the in the
• 44:48
  classic series and there's three of them, you know, and or five,
• 44:52
  you know, at the most and so, you know, being able to
• 44:56
  duplicate the making them look solid and making them win.
• 45:00
  You know. Putting them in a situation
• 45:01
  where they actually, we, in indolic of turning that Dalek
• 45:05
  into a character. Yeah.
• 45:08
  Over the just a drone, you know. Yeah.
• 45:11
  I mean, I think Rob's to him, and that's how it's do with that
• 45:13
  as well. Oh, absolutely.
• 45:15
  Lutely. But I don't think the Daleks
• 45:18
  like I like the Daleks in the finale of the next season
• 45:24
  because their appearance is so unexpected because we're all
• 45:28
  Cyberman, you know? And then suddenly the dogs
• 45:31
  appear at the Cliffhanger and they are pretty great but I
• 45:34
  don't think there ever is good again.
• 45:36
  As they are here. I don't think the new series
• 45:39
  ever ever does properly good job of the Daleks after this.
• 45:43
  And I know we've But it's off Bottle Shop.
• 45:46
  Not let me walk through the day without trying to do all sorts
• 45:49
  with them and it never excited. Well he never writes a story
• 45:53
  where he's particularly interested in the Daleks and
• 45:55
  that's one of the things he's not actually particularly
• 45:58
  interested in Monsters apart from, you know, like, you know,
• 46:02
  he creates The Silence of the weeping angels and stuff, but
• 46:05
  he's more interested in plotting things and characters and stuff
• 46:09
  like that. He doesn't care about monsters.
• 46:12
  I do like that desperate a lead but that desperate darling,
• 46:15
  moving In resolution though? Who wants to build himself?
• 46:19
  Yeah. But a lot of that is just
• 46:20
  borrowed from Dalek isn't it? And like I'd give no specialty
• 46:24
  that? Yeah I mean I think there are
• 46:26
  moments in that special that are not bad but on the whole I don't
• 46:31
  think it's very good. I regard super Rose.
• 46:37
  Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah.
• 46:42
  But when he says come here you It's so good.
• 46:49
  It's so good. And, you know, like all of the
• 46:51
  people who don't want there to be romance between the doctor
• 46:54
  and the companion and whatever and what the doctor to be like,
• 46:56
  totally sexless and things, you know, they can still imagine
• 47:00
  that. There's a special science
• 47:02
  fiction thing where you had to suck like it went into her eyes.
• 47:07
  I don't know why they're trying to suck it out of her eye is but
• 47:10
  whatever. He's just getting his rocks off
• 47:14
  in that one. Yeah, yeah.
• 47:15
  Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
• 47:18
  I bet Frosty flavors watched all my gosh of Darkness against that
• 47:21
  true. Well, yes, I reckon he said,
• 47:24
  let's do it properly, you know, laid some actually properly, do
• 47:27
  it this time. And I love that moment.
• 47:32
  I just he ceased and credible dais like, another, is it?
• 47:36
  Oh yeah, literally. But, but it doesn't come out of
• 47:40
  nowhere, you know? Like it comes out of me.
• 47:45
  He and Jackie rather than failing, kind of butthurt
• 47:51
  because Rose is, you know, because they're worried about
• 47:53
  their negative about the rose going, going with the doctor,
• 47:58
  you know, Jackie's warned, warned her about it.
• 48:03
  Mickey says you're going to die if you go back there and she
• 48:07
  says I'm going to do it anyway and they love Rose and so they
• 48:11
  help they love Rose and they recognize that this is what she
• 48:14
  really wants. I wish that we'd seen more of
• 48:17
  these ships. We see one ship, kind of explode
• 48:19
  like disappear that way, and it makes me think.
• 48:22
  Is there just one ship then? Now, let's label for.
• 48:26
  Yeah, I think they would have tried to make it.
• 48:28
  So you don't know that characters.
• 48:29
  Hey, to make about father, all of this has been established in
• 48:32
  the Caesar the doctor? Hell yeah, the waist.
• 48:35
  Yeah, he and Jackie been set up in previous episodes.
• 48:39
  Yeah, you know caring about Rose, robbing the adventure, the
• 48:43
  heart of the TARDIS will set up in boo.
• 48:45
  Town. Like it's all.
• 48:46
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. If Emily's pieces are bad,
• 48:49
  wreck. Everything comes together.
• 48:50
  Father's Day long, game, everything.
• 48:52
  You know, like it's all here. It's so good.
• 48:57
  It's such a good summary without, you know, I don't know.
• 49:01
  It's not a comfortable on fuss roses got this.
• 49:03
  Fabulous glowing eyes going on. She's a superbeing right now,
• 49:06
  but she's wearing a top. That says, Punky fish on the
• 49:08
  back. Yeah.
• 49:15
  When I smoke, you know, it's all done in silhouette.
• 49:18
  Isn't it? Awesome lovely.
• 49:19
  Yeah, yeah. And then thing about the doctor
• 49:23
  being able to see that all the time.
• 49:24
  That's what he sees all the time.
• 49:26
  That remember that turn of the earth happened to that road
• 49:29
  rage. Yeah, yeah, that's so good off
• 49:32
  and get that Glimpse inside. You know how he experiences
• 49:36
  things. Look at that kiss.
• 49:39
  That's a proper kiss. All right.
• 49:43
  Yeah. Yeah, then there's no mistaking
• 49:48
  that the same thing in empty child got Stars they what he's
• 49:52
  taped sending all that Nanobots of pixie dust coming out of
• 49:56
  Christopher Eccleston. Yeah.
• 50:01
  Wow he still seems butchers hell.
• 50:03
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 50:04
  Well there's that there's this moment here where he's just
• 50:07
  staggers, like, his eyes like his eyes.
• 50:10
  He knows doesn't, he know? Yeah, yeah, yeah it's so good.
• 50:15
  He's Those, you know. That's right.
• 50:18
  He blows it out first and then he staggers he blows it back
• 50:20
  into the into the Tardis, so good.
• 50:24
  Yeah. And everyone else is buying
• 50:26
  everyone else's dad wakes up track but we don't know.
• 50:29
  Where does he go now, does he go back to?
• 50:32
  This is where he saw as Torchwood?
• 50:34
  Remember? No, I can't remember either.
• 50:38
  It's all very complicated and we spent a long time wondering as
• 50:41
  well, how he got there. We might actually watch that
• 50:45
  word in order to lower it and I don't really want to do that.
• 50:47
  I don't think I'll do that. I may watch children of Earth
• 50:50
  again but I think otherwise I won't although I have a Seek
• 50:55
  fantasy about one day watching series for watching Miracle Day
• 50:58
  again, I think was a little underrated you though.
• 51:03
  It is share the Pines. It's got John de Lancie in it
• 51:08
  and now the visit on this tight. Yeah, yeah.
• 51:11
  Trek convention, isn't it? It's got Jane espenson, writing,
• 51:14
  a really great episode. Here we go.
• 51:17
  Now, we basically policies in the Tardis is so what judged
• 51:21
  isn't it? Yeah, yeah, well, I mean he
• 51:25
  knows Russell knows what has to be done to and in fact, this
• 51:31
  scene is primarily for the Audience's benefit and not for
• 51:34
  Roses because Rose is still upset and doesn't properly know
• 51:38
  what's going on as if you know she hadn't listened to this and
• 51:42
  you know that's right. And he he's trying you know it
• 51:50
  looks the same looks like he's trying to reassure a rose that
• 51:53
  it's going to be okay. But what he's really doing is
• 51:56
  reassuring the audience that it's always looking directly to
• 52:00
  camera these two. To, even on the same set, okay.
• 52:07
  I don't have much time together. I think so.
• 52:10
  Well, there's a shot where she becomes where she wakes up out
• 52:13
  of unconsciousness. But I don't know.
• 52:16
  I can't remember how this works because there's all that stuff
• 52:20
  about, you know, obviously tenant, is there much later and
• 52:24
  all of that sort of thing and nowhere near this.
• 52:26
  So it's sort of piece together, an all shot over a distance.
• 52:31
  It's so good. I just think Piper index them
• 52:35
  together are gold. Yeah, you know I don't think
• 52:38
  there's a moment in the series where they don't work together.
• 52:42
  Yeah. And I think Eccleston is just
• 52:44
  magnificent. Again, you know, even hadn't
• 52:47
  been if he hadn't been as good as this we wouldn't have.
• 52:50
  It's enticing to think about things like the show's net but
• 52:53
  then I almost wonder like that would it would it would have
• 52:56
  gone out as well? I don't know.
• 52:59
  Yeah, yeah, I've got it in. Told you I don't know.
• 53:02
  What do you just have delivered more?
• 53:04
  Incredible work? Yeah, I'm like I think Eccleston
• 53:08
  like I like Eccleston as an actor better than I like tenant.
• 53:12
  But tenants charm in the role is just you know, inescapable isn't
• 53:18
  it? He's so good honey.
• 53:20
  I mean he comes in bursts out of Christopher exit.
• 53:23
  Now he said hey yeah he's amazing looks like Baby.
• 53:28
  Doesn't mean. Yeah, I know he's so baby-faced.
• 53:32
  It's crazy. Oh it's so hot.
• 53:37
  Here we go. Yes a is the stock standard I'm
• 53:40
  going to be quirky. Yeah yeah yeah.
• 53:45
  Ginger still not ginger doesn't like the color of these cuties
• 53:50
  knees. I mean yeah lucky Jody just goes
• 53:56
  fantastic. Doesn't shoot some brilliant.
• 54:00
  Brilliant. Yeah.
• 54:01
  It's pretty good. Yeah.
• 54:02
  Thats Right. Thats Smile as well.
• 54:06
  Holly crap, it's just magnificent.
• 54:15
  So, that couple of male and female programmer, they do well,
• 54:18
  the the male programmer gets a name but he doesn't get a name
• 54:21
  in the closing credits, so good because I was credits go by so
• 54:26
  fast. You can't see anybody's name
• 54:28
  anymore. No, that's true.
• 54:30
  That's true. Yeah, I you know what comes now
• 54:35
  for you? The children need special.
• 54:43
  Well, clearly, you not been listening to too many episodes
• 54:45
  and handsome. A blunt penknife recently have
• 54:47
  you. Okay, so we have two three,
• 54:51
  reasons a piece back and forth, start with you.
• 54:59
  Oh well, just because it's possibly the best story in the
• 55:04
  run of the show from 1963 onwards and so that's why you
• 55:08
  should watch it, okay? Well, I need to be a little is
• 55:13
  your objectives will be a bit more specific, okay?
• 55:21
  Gonna say because I think it's the most climactic.
• 55:26
  Doctor Who Adventure? I don't think there's a season
• 55:29
  that builds to a climax. Yeah.
• 55:31
  Well after this and the fact they knocked out of the park
• 55:37
  first time round Bravo notable back to you.
• 55:42
  Okay. Another reason is that Eccleston
• 55:46
  and Piper get unjustly overlooked.
• 55:49
  I think is a tireless team and this is them at their very best.
• 55:53
  And you know, Go back and visit a time when Doctor Who was fresh
• 56:01
  and ridiculously popular and unbelievably wonderfully
• 56:05
  entertaining, you know, when it was being written and run by
• 56:11
  Just One of the most skilled British TV, writers ever.
• 56:17
  So, that's another reason. How's that?
• 56:21
  I'm gonna say those roast chickens on a spit, look.
• 56:25
  Really entice not. So I'm gonna say they tasted a
• 56:28
  bit clinical. Yeah.
• 56:30
  Well that's the coals fall. That's right, you're right.
• 56:34
  I've we didn't really mention him at all and I'm going to save
• 56:38
  Marigold who burst into one with some criticism.
• 56:42
  For some God knows reason why it's Absolutely like scores
• 56:49
  every scene and deliver the emotion perfectly.
• 56:54
  So good, it's such a great choice, isn't it Russell at work
• 56:59
  with Mario and over again. He does Queer as Folk and stuff,
• 57:02
  and he's picking me back. I'm hoping he will be.
• 57:06
  I'm hoping like after an absence because he did years and years.
• 57:10
  Did he do? It's a sin.
• 57:11
  I can't remember play his music for years of years was just so
• 57:16
  brilliant. It So brilliant.
• 57:19
  That was back to you, okay? So I think that like I said
• 57:23
  before, this is the best Dalek story and it's it's a story
• 57:31
  where the Daleks are as terrifying and evil as they have
• 57:36
  ever been. And watch that if you like it,
• 57:41
  when the dogs aren't crap, personally, I quite like it with
• 57:44
  the Daleks of crap as well, but if you want to watch them being
• 57:48
  really good, you could watch this.
• 57:52
  Well, if you like your other dialects are crap, then I'm sure
• 57:55
  you'll frequently. You are not disappointed.
• 57:57
  Yes, the crap quite a lot. I'm going to say because I think
• 58:01
  a lot of people like love sort of from 2/3 into bad on words.
• 58:07
  But I think that first Thought through that, where Russell T,
• 58:12
  Davies is a blast celebrating and ripping the shit out of
• 58:18
  reality TV simultaneously and turning it into something.
• 58:22
  So since top, yeah, yeah, that's very, that's all very good.
• 58:28
  But it's also his incredible skill is to just pivot the tone
• 58:32
  of a scene, or the tone of something like just so quickly.
• 58:37
  And so, it goes from being funny to being comedy threatening, you
• 58:42
  know, with the chainsaw and stuff like that, to being really
• 58:46
  like, really properly disturbing with the death of Crosby and
• 58:50
  then absolutely terrifying and heartbreaking with the death of
• 58:53
  Rose. Like, you know, he's just a
• 58:56
  master of I enjoying the tone of a scene so quickly, it's so well
• 59:03
  done you just you know he's magnificent.
• 59:06
  Incredible Rider. It's genius.
• 59:09
  Is it that you can't really argue with each other because we
• 59:11
  both love it, you know. Yeah.
• 59:14
  So how do you feel about 2023? 2020 is re one Rusty, Dave is
• 59:22
  coming back. Mmm, if you had told me a year
• 59:26
  ago that was going to happen, I would have laughed in your face
• 59:29
  and said 90 million years. If you just had to meet a David
• 59:32
  Tennant at Catherine Tate, we're going back.
• 59:34
  Yeah, yeah God just that's my favorite season series for.
• 59:39
  Yeah right. Yeah.
• 59:42
  Right yeah absolutely. It's the Heyday of this show.
• 59:45
  I mean I love season 1 but the end of series for that whole
• 59:49
  life. Seven or eight episodes.
• 59:51
  He's the best run that the shows ever had.
• 59:55
  I think it's incredible. And so to have that back, I just
• 59:58
  think, you know, and to have Russell back years later when
• 1:00:02
  his interest in different sorts of tally and has different
• 1:00:06
  interests as written, lots of different types of things.
• 1:00:08
  In many ways, he was playing it safe in some of these early
• 1:00:11
  years. Now, he knows what he can get
• 1:00:14
  away with well. Yeah, prepare yourselves.
• 1:00:18
  Yeah, well, I'll tell you what I'm going to say.
• 1:00:21
  Obviously, thank you very much for your time.
• 1:00:23
  It's always the greatest pleasure of my life, to talk to
• 1:00:26
  you about Doctor Who on Star Trek or anything.
• 1:00:29
  Thankfully, but you and I are both for that adore what's
• 1:00:34
  coming up in 2023, and I feel like we should make an oral
• 1:00:37
  contract. Now, that at least one of those
• 1:00:39
  stories will do one of these hamster commentaries for.
• 1:00:43
  Oh, okay, yep, I'm absolutely up for that, for sure.
• 1:00:46
  That is a legal document. Now, thank you very much.
• 1:00:48
  It's legally. Binding.
• 1:00:50
  Yep. Yep.
• 1:00:52
  Thank you very much for your time.
• 1:00:54
  I mean right now for a yeah when are we doing there just this
• 1:01:01
  past weekend? I think of Mike but should you
• 1:01:05
  be featuring a for the myself. There's about 40 old episodes of
• 1:01:10
  Untitled Star Trek project out there now yeah.
• 1:01:13
  Yeah I think we're about to episode 46 or something.
• 1:01:17
  We've been doing it for nearly a year.
• 1:01:19
  Personal favorite, you know, mileage sub, Rosa still, I do
• 1:01:23
  like Subrosa a lot because I had covid and was in covid.
• 1:01:28
  Isolation. And so when I get like super
• 1:01:32
  shrill, like when I'm in credulous and shrill at how
• 1:01:37
  something terrible, how terrible something is you can hear the
• 1:01:40
  covid kind of like, wow, Gulf Coast.
• 1:01:43
  Yeah, this is Nathan. Absolutely loving everything
• 1:01:51
  that you see here wherever you want to hear about.
• 1:01:55
  Yeah, I I think cogenitor any Enterprise episode that we've
• 1:02:00
  done so far are usually get angry doing.
• 1:02:02
  Nothing has no. So well I'm going to out as now
• 1:02:10
  that thank you very much for your time and I'll just say
• 1:02:13
  until next time. Yeah, I'll see you later.