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POTB 551: Assessing IU basketball's up and down 8-3 start with Ryan Phillips · Podcast on the Brink

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a new episode of Podcasts on the Brink.
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Speaker 1: It's Thursday, December eighteenth. Joined this week on the show
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Speaker 1: by our good friend Ryan Phillips. You know him from
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Speaker 1: the Assembly Call. He's also writing for Sports Illustrated, which
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Speaker 1: we talked to him the last time he was on
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Speaker 1: about just how surreal I guess that is for him
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Speaker 1: to be able to see his name there as a
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Speaker 1: writer for that staff. So continued good work there by, Ryan, Ryan,
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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. Good to have you back,
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Speaker 1: Always good to see you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I always a blast. I love this I love
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Speaker 2: this podcast.
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Speaker 3: It always nice being a guest on a podcast you
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Speaker 3: actually listen to, so I can't say I listened back
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Speaker 3: to the Simply Call. So I you know, it's nice
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Speaker 3: to be on one where when the episode comes up,
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Speaker 3: I'll probably skip this one because I don't, like, you know,
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Speaker 3: want to indulge myself.
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Speaker 2: But I love being on the show.
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Speaker 1: So I asked you this before we start recording. But
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Speaker 1: you have the unfortunate break of having to work on
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Speaker 1: New Year's Day, so you will not be at the
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Speaker 1: Rose Bowl. I mean that that's got to hurt a
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Speaker 1: little bit, right, I mean, Indiana and the Rose Bowl
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Speaker 1: not far from you, and you don't get to make
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Speaker 1: the trip. I'm not trying to rub salt in the wounds,
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Speaker 1: but you're.
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Speaker 2: Doing a good job. It's a tough brank man. That's
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Speaker 2: a tough break. It is, and and it is a bummer.
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Speaker 3: And I think that I'm the first person all my
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Speaker 3: friends in our friend Guruve breached out to like, well,
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Speaker 3: I know you're going because it's you know, right up
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Speaker 3: the road, and so yeah, it is a bummer.
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Speaker 2: I you know, we.
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Speaker 3: Set work plans and schedules like two months in advance,
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Speaker 3: and I shame on me. I did not project Indiana
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Speaker 3: to the Rose Bowl. I knew they'd be in the playoff.
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Speaker 3: I knew they would probably, you know, at some point
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Speaker 3: get a bye. But I don't know why I never
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Speaker 3: put together they'd be in the Rosewls. Soas yeah, sure
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Speaker 3: I'll work on New Year's Day.
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Speaker 2: That's fine. If I get near z eve off, I'll
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Speaker 2: go on New Yr's Day, you know.
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Speaker 3: And and then we've got some great college football writers
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Speaker 3: who are going to be covering it in person. So
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Speaker 3: I was not up for that assignment, unfortunately. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: it's a bummer, man. I have know so many friends
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Speaker 3: who were going to be out there. I know so
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Speaker 3: many Southern California users who are going. I know so
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Speaker 3: many people who are flying in. I you know, people
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Speaker 3: who got on the off chance they were gonna make it,
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Speaker 3: got an Airbnb a month in advance, which I should
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Speaker 3: have done that, but I didn't. So yeah, I think
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Speaker 3: that it really snuck up on me. And then you know,
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Speaker 3: the complete incredible you know, I say, I was in
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Speaker 3: disbelief when they beat Ohio State. I knew they could
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Speaker 3: and I knew that, you know, they were capable of it,
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Speaker 3: and certainly as good a team, and I thought that
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Speaker 3: for sure they were no worse than the number two
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Speaker 3: team in the country, but actually going through in that
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Speaker 3: game of beating Ohio State, I was in a state
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Speaker 3: of shock.
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Speaker 2: At the end.
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Speaker 3: Not again, not because I didn't believe they were capable,
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Speaker 3: because it actually happened. And my girlfriend was sitting next
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Speaker 3: to me, and she looked at me and said, you're
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Speaker 3: not really celebrating what's going on, And I'm like, I
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Speaker 3: don't know how to celebrate this moment, you know, I
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Speaker 3: mean it's as a as an Indiana fan for more
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Speaker 3: than twenty years.
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Speaker 2: In football.
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Speaker 3: This isn't something we're used to doing, and so I
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Speaker 3: think that you know, really happy and proud of what
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Speaker 3: that team has done, but unfortunately I will not be there.
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Speaker 2: I'll be cheering for my couch, I promise.
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Speaker 1: So just before we get into basketball, because that's I
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Speaker 1: want that to be the focus of our conversation obviously,
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Speaker 1: but I do want to ask you quickly on football,
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Speaker 1: because you you know, you're right about college football. Some
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Speaker 1: for Sports Illustrated, you follow the sport more on a
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Speaker 1: national level. But I'm curious just for your thoughts on
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Speaker 1: how sustainable long term this this is in your eyes
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Speaker 1: for IU football because it kind of Obviously Indian fans
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Speaker 1: are are thrilled with the last two seasons and not
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Speaker 1: to look ahead because there's a path here obviously for
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Speaker 1: Indiana to win three games and win the national championship.
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Speaker 1: But when you thought you'd be saying that, man, you
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Speaker 1: see these commitments of you know, paying Bryant Haynes, the
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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, what they're going to pay him. You see
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Speaker 1: Indiana starting to creep up on more lists of recruits,
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Speaker 1: not just from the high school ranks. Obviously the portal too.
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Speaker 1: I'm curious just in your mind how sustainable this feels
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Speaker 1: in the long term, not asking specifically can they go
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Speaker 1: undefeated and win the Big Ten again, because it's unlikely
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Speaker 1: that that happens every season. But I think coming into
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Speaker 1: this year, most of us felt like last year was
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Speaker 1: a great story and then this year, you know, they
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Speaker 1: lost some players and there was a lot of uncertainty.
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Speaker 1: Maybe they win nine games and go to a really
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Speaker 1: good bowl game, and here they are thirteen to oh
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Speaker 1: the number one seed in the college football playoffs, So
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Speaker 1: who knows? I mean, maybe this is what to expect
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Speaker 1: now with Kirsty Knight, the Helm is a perennial college
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Speaker 1: football playoff contender, But is that realistic in your mind?
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Speaker 2: Just curious for your thoughts.
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Speaker 3: I think that the thing Signetti has done is not
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Speaker 3: only raise the ceiling of the program, but he's he's
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Speaker 3: tremendously raised the floor, I think, which is maybe even
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Speaker 3: more important for Indiana because there's a baseline of success.
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Speaker 2: I think you can expect every year.
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Speaker 3: If they're going to do try and do this every
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Speaker 3: year and be a top five team and get to
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Speaker 3: the playoff.
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Speaker 2: And have a chance to win a national championship. The
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Speaker 2: one thing that has to get better is the high
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Speaker 2: school recruiting.
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Speaker 3: If you look at national champions champions of the past decade,
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Speaker 3: twenty years and look at the teams they played in
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Speaker 3: the championship game, look at teams they played.
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Speaker 2: In the semi final.
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Speaker 3: All those teams wind up in the top fifteen of
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Speaker 3: recruiting pretty much every year, Top top ten, top fifteen,
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Speaker 3: and Georgia Alabama, the teams that have won it the most,
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Speaker 3: are in the top three every year pretty much. Indiana,
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Speaker 3: I think they finished in the thirties this year with
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Speaker 3: their high school class, which it's understandable. You start recruiting
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Speaker 3: these kids when they're freshman, sophomore, you start building those relationships. Today,
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Speaker 3: he's only been here two years and so he's way
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Speaker 3: behind these other guys. And I think that even after
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Speaker 3: last year, still had to prove that he could sustain
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Speaker 3: that success.
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Speaker 2: I think that's going to get better.
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Speaker 3: But and I think that the transfer portal for Indiana
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Speaker 3: will be very successful of here because they'll say, look
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Speaker 3: at all these transfers we have turned into NFL caliber players,
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Speaker 3: Look what we've done with them. And so I think
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Speaker 3: they'll be successful there, particularly at the quarterback spot. I
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Speaker 3: think they'll get whoever they want as the quarterback pretty
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Speaker 3: well within reason, pretty much. But I think that for long, long,
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Speaker 3: long term success, the recruit the high school recruiting has
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Speaker 3: to get better, because that always has to be the
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Speaker 3: life blood of your program. I think we've seen that
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Speaker 3: in college basketball too. You can get recruits that put
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Speaker 3: you over the top one, two here or whatever. But
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Speaker 3: these teams, and we'll talk about this, the teams that
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Speaker 3: are built solely from recruits are not the ones that
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Speaker 3: have transfers, I mean, are not the ones that give
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Speaker 3: you sustain success over a long period of time. So
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Speaker 3: I do think that's the next step. I don't have
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Speaker 3: any questions about his ability to develop talent or spot
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Speaker 3: talent that other people are missing, and to take the
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Speaker 3: guys he has and make them play good football. It's
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Speaker 3: just a matter of how high can the ceiling be
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Speaker 3: if you're not building with those top, higher tier recruits.
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Speaker 3: I think there's a direct correlation between stars and recruiting
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Speaker 3: rankings and all of that and consistent national championship caliber success.
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Speaker 3: So again, he's in year two of a long building project,
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Speaker 3: and I think that he's done very well in the
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Speaker 3: first year is obviously incredibly well, but I think long
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Speaker 3: term he's going to have to make that part better,
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Speaker 3: to make this an annual thing.
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Speaker 1: Whatever, if it's a building project, I mean, I think
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Speaker 1: Indiana fans will take more of the same what he's
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Speaker 1: done the first two years if he can continue to
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Speaker 1: build off this. I mean, it's it's been remarkable just
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Speaker 1: to watch.
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Speaker 3: And I think his bad years will from an old perspective,
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Speaker 3: look great, you know, I mean, you know, I mean,
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Speaker 3: for you know, you will consistently win nine games at
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Speaker 3: Indiana and everybody should be thrilled with that. Now the
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Speaker 3: expect are going to raise. But if you want to
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Speaker 3: do more than that, I think he's really got to,
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Speaker 3: you know, bulk out that recruiting class.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so switching gears here obviously to basketball. That's kind
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Speaker 1: of what the Bread and Butter podcast on the Brink
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Speaker 1: has been for such a long period of time. And
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Speaker 1: you know, you you've been on some of the postgame
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Speaker 1: shows this year for Assembly Call. I know it's kind
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Speaker 1: of a different setup now with Jared not being on
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Speaker 1: there as much, but I feel like you and coach
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Speaker 1: probably have as good a feel as anybody for the
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Speaker 1: temperature of the fan base because you're on these shows
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Speaker 1: and you're probably seeing some of the comments that people
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Speaker 1: are leaving after the wins and the losses.
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Speaker 2: Where do you feel like.
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Speaker 1: This team is right now through eleven games and how
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Speaker 1: the fan base feels about how things have gone so far.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think through the last performances are objectively just
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Speaker 3: not good performance. I thought at first half against Kentucky
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Speaker 3: they really weathered a storm of some bad luck, some
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Speaker 3: bad fouls, missing shots all that had a I think
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Speaker 3: a seven point lead at the half, and I was
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Speaker 3: kind of like, well, this is how it is. After
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Speaker 3: what it looks like a bad half, I think they're
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Speaker 3: gonna win this game. And then really just fell apart
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Speaker 3: in the second half. And you know, against Louisville, they
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Speaker 3: you know, that was a nine point loss, it felt
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Speaker 3: like fifteen, you know, or so, and they kind of
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Speaker 3: cleaned it up at the end. Minnesota really not a
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Speaker 3: good good performance at all either, And I think the
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Speaker 3: the issues in all three games were pretty much the same.
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Speaker 2: There's there's a.
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Speaker 3: Lack of upper level athleticism and size on this team
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Speaker 3: that really struggles when it's pressured and so and you
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Speaker 3: got to in that case, you gotta hit a lot
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Speaker 3: of shots to make up for that.
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Speaker 2: You got to find ways to get shots and make them.
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Speaker 3: They did against Penn State, and I thought they played
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Speaker 3: a lot better against Penn State in more of an
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Speaker 3: attacking mindset than a kind of rushing and running away
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Speaker 3: from pressure mindset.
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Speaker 2: I think that you can objectively say those are.
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Speaker 3: Three pretty bad performances. I can also say that it
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Speaker 3: is the first year of a new coach's tenure, so
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Speaker 3: I do think we need to give it a little
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Speaker 3: bit of pause when you recognize that none of these
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Speaker 3: players have ever played together before.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I end Right and Debries have played together before.
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Speaker 3: You know, there's little things, but as a group, this
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Speaker 3: this group has not been together before, and it's very
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Speaker 3: tough to build that chemistry in short order.
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Speaker 2: That's why they went to Puerto Rico. That's why they
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Speaker 2: played those big exhibition games.
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Speaker 3: So I think that the temperature the fan base is impatient,
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Speaker 3: and the fan base is impatient. Not everybody, but there's
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Speaker 3: a chunk of the famish that's very impatient. The reason
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Speaker 3: they're impatience is because Indiana hasn't been.
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Speaker 2: Very good for a decade pretty much.
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Speaker 3: And I think that that gives you.
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Speaker 2: A short clock or people will be patient.
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Speaker 3: And I think I do think that part of the
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Speaker 3: issue is just the way the roster is constructed, and
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Speaker 3: not all of that is on the coaching staff. They
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Speaker 3: tried to bring in other players in this recruiting class
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Speaker 3: that just signed. They were trying to get some some
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Speaker 3: more big guys, some athletic big guys who can move
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Speaker 3: around and maybe hit some shots on the outside and
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Speaker 3: do some things something that's missing from this year's team,
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Speaker 3: and they just missed. You cannot force kids to go
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Speaker 3: to your school, and so I think that's part of
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Speaker 3: the problem. And I think another part of the problem
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Speaker 3: is just the limited upside of some of the guys
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Speaker 3: on the team is really hurting them at the moment.
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Speaker 1: What so far has maybe been the most encouraging thing
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Speaker 1: in terms of what you've seen from this team through
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Speaker 1: eleven games.
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Speaker 3: I like the style of basketball. I think it's a
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Speaker 3: style of basketball that can win at the college level.
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Speaker 3: It's this team is heavily reliant on three point shooting
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Speaker 3: because of the way it's constructed, but the spacing the
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Speaker 3: ball movement, when that offense is being run correctly, you
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Speaker 3: see it, you get it. It looks like upper tier
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Speaker 3: college basketball, and it looks like the kind of system
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Speaker 3: that wins nowadays, and so that's been encouraging to me.
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Speaker 3: I think that the discouraging part is you need a
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Speaker 3: guy who can get to the rim to make this
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Speaker 3: system really hum and they don't really have that. An
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Speaker 3: upper level guy who could beat the first level defender,
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Speaker 3: draw the second level of defense to them, then create
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Speaker 3: those kickout lanes or finish the rim. You need that
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Speaker 3: guy or else it just turns into overplaying the three
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Speaker 3: point line, and I think that they don't have the
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Speaker 3: guy to do that right now. And I think, you know,
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Speaker 3: a guy on the point, like taking Connorway, he's up
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Speaker 3: and down, but when he's on, I love it. I
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Speaker 3: love the way he plays. I love his aggressiveness on
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Speaker 3: both ends. Connor inright, I love his defense. They're both
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Speaker 3: limited in certain in various ways, and that shows up
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Speaker 3: when the team isn't playing well, and so I do
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Speaker 3: think that's the big key they're missing on offense. Defensively, again,
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Speaker 3: just it's a lot of the rebounding issues because of
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Speaker 3: the lack of size and athleticism, and I think just
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Speaker 3: having a rim protector that can actually intimidate driving lanes and.
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Speaker 2: Things like that are both two things that are missing.
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Speaker 1: Going back to connor Way for a second, because I
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Speaker 1: think you bring up an interesting point just in terms
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Speaker 1: of how crucial he is to this team. And he
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Speaker 1: is a guy that can go a little bit to
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Speaker 1: the rim, but a lot of times when you look
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Speaker 1: at the guys that transfer up from the to low
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Speaker 1: major teams that like to get to the rim and finish,
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Speaker 1: a lot of those plays that that he finished last
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Speaker 1: year probably at Troy are not so easy now to
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Speaker 1: finish at Indiana, and I think it's going to get
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Speaker 1: even tougher as the Big Ten schedule rolls around, I
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Speaker 1: think from a just Indiana being able to reach its
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Speaker 1: ceiling as a team, he's a crucial not just from
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Speaker 1: the being able to finish in the paint, but making
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Speaker 1: better decisions. If you watch that Onentucky game, the first game,
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Speaker 1: the first half on they built that seven point lead,
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Speaker 1: I don't think he had a turnover that first half
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Speaker 1: at all. Second half he comes out turns the ball
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Speaker 1: over four times. And thinking back to a conversation I
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Speaker 1: have with Darren de Reeze back in the summer when
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Speaker 1: I got a chance to sit down and talk to him.
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Speaker 1: He mentioned with Connorway, you kind of have to take
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Speaker 1: some of the he likes to take chances. You kind
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Speaker 1: of have to take some of that with the the
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Speaker 1: good with the bad. In terms of how he plays
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Speaker 1: how likely, I guess you think it is that he
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Speaker 1: can kind of adapt on the fly and maybe makes,
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Speaker 1: you know, make it more of a habit of kind
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Speaker 1: of making the simple play more often than not, because
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Speaker 1: it seems like when he does play under control and
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Speaker 1: just makes a simple play, he's pretty effective. But as
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Speaker 1: you saw in the Kentucky game, he had a couple
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Speaker 1: of drives where he just gets up in the air,
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Speaker 1: throws the ball away, or just makes a poor decision.
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Speaker 1: And that's really when those are really the mistakes that
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Speaker 1: he can't afford, especially on a team that they don't have.
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Speaker 1: You mentioned being a guy being able to just drive
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Speaker 1: to the rim and score, but they really like when
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Speaker 1: defenses are really putting pressure on Devrees and Wilkerson, they
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Speaker 1: don't really have an easy way to get a bucket.
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Speaker 1: Everything feels hard, and that's one of the limitations to
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Speaker 1: the team. So I think Connorway in many ways is
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Speaker 1: a key just from the standpoint of all right, you
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Speaker 1: have this talent, you can go off the bounce, you're
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Speaker 1: relatively good at getting the bad in the ain't. But
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Speaker 1: when he gets there, he needs to be better with
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Speaker 1: his decisions.
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Speaker 3: I I one hundred percent agree, and I think that
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Speaker 3: that he's a guy who, at least in the Kentucky
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Speaker 3: game and at some other points I've noticed this, but
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Speaker 3: only for a player too. But if he makes a mistake,
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Speaker 3: he'll then come down and want to make up for
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Speaker 3: it and sometimes wind up compounding that.
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Speaker 2: Mistake with another. And as for a senior, that's discouraging.
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Speaker 3: You know, a couple a couple of things I've seen,
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Speaker 3: you know, especially in that Kentucky game and they turn
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Speaker 3: the ball over. All the place is seeing these upper
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Speaker 3: classmen and seniors making these mistakes.
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Speaker 2: That's what's discouraged.
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Speaker 3: If they're all freshmen, you say, well, that's the way
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Speaker 3: freshmen play, and they'll figure it out and they'll get better.
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Speaker 3: These guys, I think are feeling pressure to deliver immediately,
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Speaker 3: and they should be because of you know, how veteran
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Speaker 3: they are and really are struggling, and I think that's
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Speaker 3: just compounding the pressure on themselves for that. So yeah,
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Speaker 3: I think he is. He really is a hinge point
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Speaker 3: for the team, both offensively and defensively. If he guards
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Speaker 3: without fouling, he's actually he's an outstanding point of attack defender,
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Speaker 3: and I think that he really in Big ten play
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Speaker 3: will be very important. I think one of the things
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Speaker 3: defensively for me that has been so discouraging is how
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Speaker 3: much they're fouling. Now, they're bad fouls called across college basketball,
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Speaker 3: but I am seeing a lot of guarding with hands,
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Speaker 3: a lot of slapping down at the ball, things like
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Speaker 3: that that you are taught not to do, and that
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Speaker 3: they will in a big game, they will whistle you
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Speaker 3: for immediately. You're playing a good you can get away
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Speaker 3: with that against a bad team. You're not going to
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Speaker 3: get away with that against Michigan. And so this team
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Speaker 3: is also so thin because of injuries. They cannot afford
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Speaker 3: to go to second that second unit because there isn't
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Speaker 3: much of one right now. And so those leaders, those veterans,
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Speaker 3: need to get better at staying on the floor, your
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Speaker 3: best abilities availability, you know. I mean, that's a cliche
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Speaker 3: thing to say, but it is so true. Lamar Wilkerson
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Speaker 3: sitting on the bench for ten minutes is not a
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Speaker 3: recipe for this team to win so conorway too. So
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Speaker 3: I think as until these guys get until the depth
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Speaker 3: guys get healthier and more in the flow of the game,
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Speaker 3: I mean, they have to stay on the floor. And
17:04
Speaker 3: so again that's those are things that veteran players should
17:07
Speaker 3: know and be able to adapt to, and you haven't
17:10
Speaker 3: seen it so far.
17:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think that that's a really good
17:14
Speaker 1: point because looking I wasn't in Puerto Rico, but I
17:18
Speaker 1: followed those games as closely as I could with Josh
17:20
Speaker 1: being down there. But he had the spreadsheet that he
17:23
Speaker 1: updated like throughout the game. It was keeping stats as
17:26
Speaker 1: they go, and it was jarring even that trip how
17:30
Speaker 1: many fouls they were picking up. And then I went
17:32
Speaker 1: to the Baylor exhibition game, which they won, but they
17:35
Speaker 1: didn't found anybody out and if they would have fouled
17:38
Speaker 1: guys out, they would have had two or three guys
17:39
Speaker 1: that filed out during that game. So it's been a
17:41
Speaker 1: pattern over a long period of time, and you mad,
17:43
Speaker 1: you know that that's excellent point just in terms of
17:46
Speaker 1: the fouls that they're getting. It's not that they're sometimes
17:49
Speaker 1: they're out of position, so they reach, but it's some
17:52
Speaker 1: of them are just being too aggressive in times in
17:55
Speaker 1: terms of trying to go after the ball. It's like,
17:57
Speaker 1: just move your feet and get in a better position.
17:59
Speaker 1: And their defensive metrics overall are pretty solid. So they
18:04
Speaker 1: have two or three guys, you know, I would say Tucker, Devreeze,
18:07
Speaker 1: Connorway and Wilkerston. They those guys cannot consistently be in
18:11
Speaker 1: foul trouble in Indiana expect to win games.
18:14
Speaker 3: The other thing, there was one one moment that I
18:17
Speaker 3: think personifies this. It was against Minnesota. They put the
18:19
Speaker 3: press on and they had I don't remember who it was,
18:22
Speaker 3: trapped in the corner off the press. It was exactly
18:24
Speaker 3: what they wanted and they hadn't pinned. He had nowhere
18:26
Speaker 3: to go, and Tucker slapped down at the ball to
18:28
Speaker 3: try and get a steal. And it's like you have
18:30
Speaker 3: him in the corner. Even if you slap the ball out,
18:32
Speaker 3: it's gonna go out of bounce that you can't steal that.
18:34
Speaker 3: Like there's no just calm down, take a breath, and
18:37
Speaker 3: you've got exactly what you want here. He tries to
18:40
Speaker 3: pass this, you've got somebody running up to steal it. Like,
18:43
Speaker 3: whatever happens is going to be bad for Minnesota, and
18:45
Speaker 3: then to slap down and give him an easy out
18:47
Speaker 3: to free throws is you know, just that's just not
18:50
Speaker 3: smart basketball, and you have to be more aware of that,
18:53
Speaker 3: especially from a veteran.
18:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially to like you. As you mentioned, the depth
18:57
Speaker 1: on this team is so limited. Yeah, and they don't
18:59
Speaker 1: really to guard. Depth in particular is well, really it's
19:02
Speaker 1: across the roster because there's no front court.
19:04
Speaker 2: Dept at all.
19:05
Speaker 1: I think they're hopeful that I think Jason Drake can
19:08
Speaker 1: get back here soon. I don't know Josh Harris at
19:10
Speaker 1: some point, but they've got to develop at least one
19:12
Speaker 1: or two more guys that are consistent option if they
19:15
Speaker 1: hope to, you know, eventually make the NCAA tournament. The
19:19
Speaker 1: other the other thing that's been interesting to watch is
19:24
Speaker 1: just how they've used Reed Bailey. And I think this
19:29
Speaker 1: is maybe more of on Reed Bailey than it is
19:32
Speaker 1: the coaching staff, because he is a guy that came
19:38
Speaker 1: from Davidson had really good numbers last year, but he
19:41
Speaker 1: kind of looked at his rebounding numbers. They weren't great.
19:44
Speaker 1: I think he averaged eighteen points a game, but he
19:46
Speaker 1: was an all A ten type of player, So to me,
19:49
Speaker 1: he's a guy that's whose game should have translated at
19:52
Speaker 1: least somewhat to the Big Ten. But it seems like
19:55
Speaker 1: he's either playing really well or giving them absolutely nothing.
20:00
Speaker 1: There's really not much in between. Like the Kansas State
20:02
Speaker 1: game played really well, Penn State game played really well,
20:06
Speaker 1: but these had other games, the Louisville game and the
20:09
Speaker 1: Kentucky game he looked basically unplayable.
20:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, which one do you think.
20:15
Speaker 1: Is the real reed Bailey? And when we get to
20:17
Speaker 1: the meat of the Big ten schedule, is it going
20:18
Speaker 1: to be the guy that we saw against Louisville Kentucky
20:21
Speaker 1: or is it going to be the guy that played
20:24
Speaker 1: against Kansas State and Penn State? Because I don't think
20:28
Speaker 1: Indiana can afford to have him basically offering nothing statistically
20:32
Speaker 1: and expect to win games with any consistency.
20:35
Speaker 3: Well, correct you, They absolutely cannot have that this season.
20:38
Speaker 3: I mean, as you said, there's basically no frontcourt and
20:42
Speaker 3: no length or you know, a ton of size. They
20:44
Speaker 3: need him to be something. I'm going to give a
20:46
Speaker 3: real boring answer to say, I think the answer is
20:49
Speaker 3: probably somewhere in the middle. But I think the thing
20:51
Speaker 3: Reed Bailey needs to take personally is everybody across the
20:55
Speaker 3: Big ten is going to look at him and say
20:56
Speaker 3: he's soft. I'm going to attack him right in his chest,
20:59
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna push him around when he goes to
21:02
Speaker 3: post up. I'm gonna push him around on cuts. I'm
21:04
Speaker 3: gonna get right up in his face when he has
21:06
Speaker 3: the ball. Because if you look at Reed Bailey's build,
21:09
Speaker 3: that's immediately what you think. He's a tall, kind of
21:11
Speaker 3: lanky guy, doesn't have a lot of meat on him.
21:13
Speaker 3: He's not super strong, he doesn't come across as super strong.
21:17
Speaker 3: Against Penn State played pretty dang well. Against Kansas State
21:19
Speaker 3: played pretty dang well.
21:20
Speaker 2: He has the ability to do that.
21:22
Speaker 3: It's just he cannot be intimidated by going up against
21:26
Speaker 3: size and strength, and they're gonna try and push him
21:28
Speaker 3: around and intimidate him all season. And he's another guy.
21:31
Speaker 3: He and Connorway are just if they play well.
21:34
Speaker 2: Indiana can win.
21:36
Speaker 3: Maybe not against anybody, but against most teams on their schedule,
21:39
Speaker 3: they can probably win if those two guys give you
21:42
Speaker 3: what they're capable of. If they don't, either one of
21:44
Speaker 3: them doesn't.
21:45
Speaker 2: I think it's real hard.
21:46
Speaker 3: I think it gets real difficult because teams are just
21:48
Speaker 3: going to try and take away Wilkerson in devrees on
21:51
Speaker 3: the three point line. As you said, there's no easy
21:53
Speaker 3: baskets when you do that. If those guys don't have
21:56
Speaker 3: something going on. Sam alexis God loved him, tries on
21:59
Speaker 3: the ball, you know, to score, and he's more aggressive
22:02
Speaker 3: and it's sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But this
22:08
Speaker 3: those two guys are going to be very important. And
22:09
Speaker 3: I'll also say I think Cicily's gonna be very important.
22:12
Speaker 3: And he's a freshman, so when he has a bad game,
22:13
Speaker 3: you're like, but he's a freshman. You expect that to
22:15
Speaker 3: be up and down. But his development is gonna be
22:18
Speaker 3: very important coming from that second wave. His ability to
22:21
Speaker 3: hit from the outside, his ability to take it to
22:23
Speaker 3: his confidence taking it to the rim or posting up
22:26
Speaker 3: or any of those things can be very important for
22:28
Speaker 3: this team as it moves forward. And it's unfair to
22:31
Speaker 3: him that he's got to have an accelerated learning curve
22:33
Speaker 3: as well. But those two guys Conorway and Bailey really
22:36
Speaker 3: have to get it together or India is gonna struggle.
22:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the one thing that I've noticed when
22:42
Speaker 1: Bailey plays well, he's playing more in space in terms
22:47
Speaker 1: of getting kind of on the move towards the basket.
22:50
Speaker 1: When he's in a situation where he has to post
22:53
Speaker 1: up or try to like go at someone's chest in
22:55
Speaker 1: the stationary yeah, it's not usually a good outcome. But
22:59
Speaker 1: when in is able to maybe put him in a
23:01
Speaker 1: ball screen situation or have him catch the ball at
23:04
Speaker 1: the high post and you get a cut in the
23:07
Speaker 1: floor space out better, he seems to be more effective.
23:09
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure why that's happening in certain games
23:13
Speaker 1: and why it said. I'm not a coach, but it's
23:15
Speaker 1: just an observation and i think something to watch moving forward,
23:18
Speaker 1: because as poor as some of the games that he's
23:23
Speaker 1: played have been, you also have those other games where
23:27
Speaker 1: he's played really well. So anything the coaching staff can
23:31
Speaker 1: make it to be where maybe it isn't more in
23:33
Speaker 1: the middle of those performances at least gets something out
23:35
Speaker 1: of him. Whether it's yeah, six or eight points and
23:38
Speaker 1: four or five rebounds. It can't be a situation like
23:40
Speaker 1: the one at Kentucky where I'm pretty sure he didn't
23:43
Speaker 1: score a point and have one rebound. So that's just
23:46
Speaker 1: not a sustainable formula when you're trying to go on
23:49
Speaker 1: the Kentucky game. In many ways, if you look at
23:51
Speaker 1: some of the stats, it's incredible that it was as
23:54
Speaker 1: close as it was. They say, varrible from three point
23:57
Speaker 1: line they got killed that you know was chance points
24:01
Speaker 1: and they made like less than twenty percent of the
24:03
Speaker 1: threes and they lost by twelve.
24:05
Speaker 2: So I mean they asked what that says about Kentucky.
24:08
Speaker 1: Not being able to really blow them out of that
24:10
Speaker 1: game based on how poorly they played.
24:11
Speaker 2: But there was a lot of things that went terrible
24:14
Speaker 2: for Indiana.
24:14
Speaker 3: That I mean, somehow Indiana out rebounded Kentucky and that, well,
24:17
Speaker 3: that was the stat that stood out to me the most,
24:19
Speaker 3: just like what and I guess it's because so many
24:21
Speaker 3: turnovers kind of even you know, like late lead you
24:24
Speaker 3: to believe differently than it actually is. Well, Kentucky got
24:27
Speaker 3: fourteen more shots in the game, I know, if I.
24:30
Speaker 2: Mean, you know, Indiana med in that game.
24:31
Speaker 3: Indianimated and I'm going off memory here, but they made
24:34
Speaker 3: fifteen shots I think in the entire game. Actually said
24:37
Speaker 3: four of twenty four from three and and yeah, I
24:40
Speaker 3: mean Kentucky shot very poorly as well under forty percent,
24:44
Speaker 3: and then I think they were like they only made
24:45
Speaker 3: like three threes and and so you know, that's what
24:48
Speaker 3: kept them in the game, quite frankly, and I think
24:50
Speaker 3: it was more Kentucky not as you said, not taking
24:53
Speaker 3: advantage than it was in Kentucky play the same way
24:55
Speaker 3: in the first half as they did in the second half,
24:57
Speaker 3: that it would have been a twenty point game. So
25:00
Speaker 3: I think that then a lot of that was was
25:02
Speaker 3: based on just Kentucky not performing well, and Kentucky hasn't
25:06
Speaker 3: had a great.
25:06
Speaker 2: Season so far.
25:07
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean the the no points in one rebound,
25:10
Speaker 3: only playing I think he had a fewer than ten
25:12
Speaker 3: minutes in that game, you know, and and it's like
25:14
Speaker 3: you can't do that, man. I know he was coming
25:16
Speaker 3: off the bench, but he's got to be able to play,
25:18
Speaker 3: and he's got to be playable.
25:19
Speaker 2: As you said, there are.
25:20
Speaker 3: Times he looks unplayable and they they have to play him.
25:24
Speaker 2: I mean it's there's no depth, they have to play him.
25:27
Speaker 2: And so yeah, I think that's reed.
25:29
Speaker 3: Bailey's just got to kind of it's gonna be a
25:31
Speaker 3: type thing where, yeah, Debries has to and the staff
25:34
Speaker 3: has to do something to game it out, so he
25:35
Speaker 3: is in a better position, as you said, figure out
25:38
Speaker 3: where he's most effective and use him more in that way.
25:40
Speaker 3: But Bailey himself has just got to take offense to
25:43
Speaker 3: the fact that people are going to try and push
25:44
Speaker 3: him around and turn it on.
25:46
Speaker 2: And he looked he had that. Kansas State came agreed
25:49
Speaker 2: that was that.
25:50
Speaker 3: I thought that was the turning point, But it's kind
25:52
Speaker 3: of gone back and forth, and I think that, yeah,
25:55
Speaker 3: he definitely needs to to take it on himself to
25:57
Speaker 3: to step up.
25:59
Speaker 1: The other thing I want to get your take on,
26:01
Speaker 1: and this is just to me as someone who follows
26:03
Speaker 1: the analytics and the computers and everything as closely as
26:07
Speaker 1: I do. It's just been refreshing to see Indiana and
26:12
Speaker 1: these a lot of these guarantee games just blow teams
26:14
Speaker 1: away and help their numbers. And then and the losses
26:18
Speaker 1: that they did have you said the Kentucky the Louisville
26:20
Speaker 1: game felt like fifteen. It could have been fifteen or twenty,
26:23
Speaker 1: and they lose by I think nine. That actually goes
26:27
Speaker 1: into the overall strength of the computer numbers, because a
26:34
Speaker 1: twenty point loss is viewed much definity than a nine
26:37
Speaker 1: point loss. So that's one thing that again, no loss
26:41
Speaker 1: should be viewed as a good thing or acceptable. But
26:43
Speaker 1: I think the overall understanding from debries just in terms
26:46
Speaker 1: of the numbers and how to kind of manipulate those.
26:48
Speaker 1: I mean, Indiana's twenty six and can palm right now.
26:51
Speaker 1: They started the season at forty. So as bad as
26:54
Speaker 1: some people think three of the four last three of
26:57
Speaker 1: the last four games have been they've still made up
27:01
Speaker 1: grounds since the beginning of the season. What the preseason
27:03
Speaker 1: expectations are. There's obviously a lot of basketball to play
27:06
Speaker 1: in the Big Ten, and we'll see they're gonna have
27:07
Speaker 1: to actually start winning some of these high profile games
27:10
Speaker 1: to build a tournament resume. But overall, I think if
27:13
Speaker 1: you told me before the season that Indiana would be
27:15
Speaker 1: eight and three right now, I thought maybe they'd be
27:18
Speaker 1: nine to two. So the Minnesota game was I figured
27:21
Speaker 1: they could.
27:21
Speaker 2: They could. That's truly the one.
27:23
Speaker 1: But that's really the only one that you look at
27:24
Speaker 1: and say, you know, so far, they've performed just about
27:28
Speaker 1: what you expected.
27:29
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean yeah, if it started today, they'd
27:31
Speaker 3: be in the tournament. No quie, I think easily be
27:33
Speaker 3: in the tournament. And I think that that's because of
27:35
Speaker 3: where their ranking comcruters. And you're right, I think the
27:38
Speaker 3: overall understanding of like just don't get blown out and
27:42
Speaker 3: blow out the teams are supposed to blow out, and
27:44
Speaker 3: they've been able to do that. They've done exactly what
27:46
Speaker 3: they had to do. In the lower tier games. I
27:50
Speaker 3: think linden Wood felt a little closer than it need
27:52
Speaker 3: to be for a while, but they wound up winning
27:54
Speaker 3: by twenty and even if it's not a great performance,
27:56
Speaker 3: one by twenty incarnate word too close, But all right,
28:00
Speaker 3: I eight, that's your one screw up in those games.
28:03
Speaker 3: But yeah, I thought that. You know, in the Louisville game,
28:06
Speaker 3: it looked like they pushed it as hard as they
28:07
Speaker 3: could to make it a little bit closer at the
28:09
Speaker 3: end and kept playing. And then Minnesota, you know, I
28:14
Speaker 3: lost to Minnesota's bad, but again, it's not fifteen twenty points,
28:18
Speaker 3: and that is important. And I know people used to
28:20
Speaker 3: say last you know, last year, I used to get
28:22
Speaker 3: a lot from people it was like, well if they
28:24
Speaker 3: lose the Gonzaga by twenty five, why does it matter
28:27
Speaker 3: they lost, And it's like, well, it really actually matters,
28:30
Speaker 3: and so you know, whether that's okay or not, and
28:33
Speaker 3: whether that's the system we should be using or not.
28:36
Speaker 3: The teams that take advantage like knowing that and taking
28:39
Speaker 3: advantage of that system is smart when it comes down
28:42
Speaker 3: to March and you're on the bubble and you need
28:44
Speaker 3: to get into the tournament. So yeah, I think I
28:48
Speaker 3: do think it's been They've done all the right things.
28:50
Speaker 3: I mean, you look at the metrics, and I think
28:52
Speaker 3: based on how they've played, I don't think people would
28:56
Speaker 3: know that their number eighteenth, number eighteen in DEFENSI of fiefficiency.
29:00
Speaker 3: They're number fifty in offensive efficiency, which given debris system,
29:04
Speaker 3: should be much higher. But it's not as bad as
29:08
Speaker 3: I think we think it is. Based on the latter
29:11
Speaker 3: the three line, I mean.
29:12
Speaker 1: To be eighteenth in defensive efficiency right now with how
29:16
Speaker 1: much they're fouling and the lack of really any rim
29:18
Speaker 1: production is pretty expressed. I think from what could I
29:23
Speaker 1: mean imagine in future years if they have a big
29:26
Speaker 1: who's more more more of an athlete, the shot blocker,
29:29
Speaker 1: guy that can challenge shots, well, I mean you could
29:33
Speaker 1: change things.
29:34
Speaker 3: Well and you look last year and his West Virginia
29:37
Speaker 3: team was pretty high, don't they They were, Yeah, they
29:40
Speaker 3: were top. Yeah, they were fifteenth, and I mean they
29:43
Speaker 3: were missing their two of their best scorers and finished
29:45
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty fourth in offense, which is the
29:47
Speaker 3: opposite of what you'd think his system would provide. But
29:50
Speaker 3: he's coached good defenses, and so I think that it
29:54
Speaker 3: is encouraging to see that.
29:55
Speaker 2: For sure.
29:55
Speaker 3: I think you're right, especially with the lack of athleticism
29:59
Speaker 3: and upper tier athleticism and upper tier size.
30:01
Speaker 2: On this team to be eighteenth defense.
30:03
Speaker 3: Now they're gonna play some tougher games and we'll see
30:05
Speaker 3: how that pans out.
30:06
Speaker 2: But so far, that's pretty dang good.
30:10
Speaker 1: Last thing before we kind of wrap up here just
30:12
Speaker 1: in terms of just Devreese and you know, we've talked
30:16
Speaker 1: about the basketball, but in terms of how he's handled
30:20
Speaker 1: the job so far, how he's engaged the fan base,
30:22
Speaker 1: how he's kind of dealt with the pressure of the
30:27
Speaker 1: job so far. How do you think, I mean, I
30:29
Speaker 1: know you're not up close and around the team, but
30:31
Speaker 1: you're kind of watching them from afar, You're I'm sure
30:33
Speaker 1: you're watching some of the press conferences and things like that.
30:35
Speaker 2: How do you does he seem like the.
30:37
Speaker 1: Indiana like he's comfortable yet as being the Indiana basketball coach.
30:42
Speaker 2: I think that I said when he got hired.
30:43
Speaker 3: I don't think he's ever going to be the politician
30:46
Speaker 3: that's out there, you know, like like a John Calipari
30:49
Speaker 3: who's just the most charm in you know, I'm sorry
30:52
Speaker 3: to say this Indiana fans, but a very charming guy
30:54
Speaker 3: who's like in press conference is like holding court and
30:58
Speaker 3: having fun with it and is that you know, you
31:00
Speaker 3: want to be one on one with that guy.
31:01
Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to be that guy.
31:03
Speaker 3: But I do think that the one word I keep
31:05
Speaker 3: getting from people since that, you know, right after he
31:08
Speaker 3: got Hiredrik he's really humble and he's not, you know,
31:10
Speaker 3: above He doesn't. He doesn't feel like he's above anything else.
31:14
Speaker 3: So he's willing to take in new ideas. He's willing
31:16
Speaker 3: to adjust what he's doing. He's willing to go to
31:19
Speaker 3: Kurt Signetti and talk to him about coaching and things
31:22
Speaker 3: like that. So I'm like, some guys don't do that.
31:24
Speaker 3: They they know best and it's going to be theirs.
31:26
Speaker 3: I think that's really important. I also think he's very
31:29
Speaker 3: even keeled, Like I think he doesn't get too high,
31:32
Speaker 3: it doesn't get too low, and I think that's going
31:34
Speaker 3: to be very important for the program moving forward, because
31:37
Speaker 3: the truth is in sports, very few programs are always
31:40
Speaker 3: having a good season. In college sports, there's ups and downs.
31:45
Speaker 3: Even the best programs are gonna have off, off seasons,
31:47
Speaker 3: off stretches, and you need to like not panic.
31:50
Speaker 2: And I think he's that guy.
31:52
Speaker 3: We'll see how he adapts his coaching style as this
31:55
Speaker 3: season goes on, and then also looking at how this
31:58
Speaker 3: roster has built, how it goes move being forward. What
32:00
Speaker 3: he prioritizes may change based on what happened in his
32:03
Speaker 3: first year in the Big Tent. Uh. But I will
32:06
Speaker 3: say I think that he's definitely a guy who's pliable
32:08
Speaker 3: and willing to He's he's less of an ideologue and
32:13
Speaker 3: more of a let's figure out what works kind of guy.
32:15
Speaker 3: And I think I think that's very much a positive
32:17
Speaker 3: for for how you moving forward.
32:19
Speaker 2: For sure.
32:19
Speaker 1: I mean I think so far, I feel like he's
32:22
Speaker 1: handled everything well. I don't think the scrutiny has obviously
32:25
Speaker 1: been what it's going to. I mean, you know, it's
32:28
Speaker 1: you know, there could be a schedule in January gets
32:32
Speaker 1: really tough towards the back end of January if they
32:34
Speaker 1: lose four or five or something like that, five of six,
32:38
Speaker 1: obviously it's gonna get We all know what it's like
32:42
Speaker 1: when indianas like they're winning against Penn State and having
32:45
Speaker 1: that great win, and all of a sudden, people are thinking, well,
32:47
Speaker 1: this could be a team that makes a tournament. Wins
32:50
Speaker 1: a game, and then they're losing like they did a
32:52
Speaker 1: Kentucky looking as bad as they did in the second half.
32:54
Speaker 1: People are wanting, as this team and we're gonna get
32:55
Speaker 1: the tournament. I think the truth is probably somewhere in
32:57
Speaker 1: the middle. This is probably a bubble team. I mean, realistically,
33:01
Speaker 1: I picked him in tenth in the Big Ten before
33:03
Speaker 1: the season. I think that's probably right around where they
33:06
Speaker 1: are right now. I mean I did power rankings on
33:09
Speaker 1: the site recently. I think I had him ninth, which
33:12
Speaker 1: is probably fair for.
33:14
Speaker 2: What they are. We'll see.
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Speaker 1: It's encouraging to me that seems to have a coherent
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Speaker 1: plan for how he wants to run his program. I
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Speaker 1: agree with you on the even Keel they I was interested, Laura.
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Speaker 1: I listen to his radio show Earli this week on
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Speaker 1: the night he's never gotten a technical as a head.
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Speaker 2: I know that shocked believe that.
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Speaker 3: No. I mean I think that you know, your assistant
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Speaker 3: says something and they blame you, like at some point
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Speaker 3: you know that.
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Speaker 1: I mean that's got to change by the end of
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Speaker 1: this Big ten season.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, given given some of the fouls
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Speaker 2: they've been absorbing lately, some of the calls they've been
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Speaker 2: absorbing lately, I would be shocked.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Ryan, thanks for thanks as always for for
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Speaker 1: hopping on the show. I really appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: Everybody.
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Speaker 1: If you enjoy UH podcasts on the break is definitely
33:59
Speaker 1: for sure, make sure you're listening to assembly call. What's
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Speaker 1: what's kind of the schedule for you with what the
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Speaker 1: postgame shows these days, I know you're on SLOM and
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Speaker 1: you're not on others. Is just kind of based on
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Speaker 1: your availability with work.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that you know this stretch, I've
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Speaker 3: been travel I've been moving around, traveling a lot. But
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Speaker 3: I think once the Big ten season really kicks in,
34:17
Speaker 3: I'll probably be on, if not all, most just because
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Speaker 3: you know, that's it's more. That's more when we plan
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Speaker 3: to be on because the early season stuff is around
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Speaker 3: the holidays is tough. But yeah, I think for Big
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Speaker 3: Ten you can count of me being there for the
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Speaker 3: most for the most part.
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Speaker 1: Any chance you make it out to either of the
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Speaker 1: games against UCLA and usc.
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Speaker 3: Out there, No, I well, I might, I might be
34:38
Speaker 3: able to go to usc In in February, but I
34:41
Speaker 3: will be will be assembly call, will be in Bloomington
34:45
Speaker 3: for the Io game. So I want everyone to come
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Speaker 3: visit us. We'll have information on on the Twitter Twitter
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Speaker 3: account follow that did you break Did you break that
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Speaker 3: news here? Or do people already know that We've We've
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Speaker 3: put it out there kind of slightly. We're gonna make
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Speaker 3: the announcement on I think Saturday, so you get it
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Speaker 3: first here the.
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Speaker 2: Podcast a first. Appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Ryan for coming on.
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Speaker 2: Really appreciate it. Yeah, anytime, Alex.
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