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Getting a Do-Over with Emerson Eggerichs and Joy Eggerichs Reed · All Mom Does Podcast with Julie Lyles Carr

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  Speaker 1: Purposely, your life, God's purpose.
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  Speaker 2: More podcasts at Purposely.com.
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  Speaker 3: So we decided to incorporate the childhood stories that he
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  Speaker 3: shared with this message and fuse them together. And so
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  Speaker 3: that's where we came up with Bega Gets a Do-Over
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  Speaker 3: in the Land of Nuff. It's silly, it's crazy, but
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  Speaker 3: it teaches those principles of is it true? Is it kind?
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  Speaker 1: Is it necessary? Is it clear?
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  Speaker 2: Hey friend, I'm Julie Lyles-Carr and this is the All
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  Speaker 2: Mom Does podcast, part of the Purposely Podcast Network. And
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  Speaker 4: The kids to nurturing your marriage to growing in your faith.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, we have been around For a while now,
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  Speaker 2: which means that every now and then, I get to
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  Speaker 2: have the honor of having someone back on who we've
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  Speaker 2: had on before. And this time, that repeat guest is
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  Speaker 2: also bringing a very important first-time guest with him. So
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  Speaker 2: I want you to help me welcome Emerson Egrich and
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  Speaker 2: Joy Egrich-Reed.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome so much to the podcast, guys.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, excited to be here. Excited about this.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: I've had, I think, one other father-daughter duo on, which
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  Speaker 2: was Walker Hanson and his daughter Avery. So this is
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  Speaker 2: really fun to get to have another father-daughter duo on.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm pretty sure people probably know who I'm talking to,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm going to give each of you an opportunity
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  Speaker 2: to tell us who you are and what you do.
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  Speaker 4: So Joy, let's start with you. Where are you in
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  Speaker 4: the world and what do you do? What do you love?
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  Speaker 3: All the stuff. Well, I live in Paris, France with
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  Speaker 3: my family. My husband and I came here about nine
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  Speaker 3: years ago. We got married later in life in our
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  Speaker 3: mid thirties and we thought, let's do a fun adventure
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  Speaker 3: in France. He was working for the French electric company.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a literary agent and a communications consultant. And I
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  Speaker 3: was like, I can live anywhere. Um, and nine years
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  Speaker 3: later and three children later, uh, we're still here. Um,
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  Speaker 3: so I eat, uh, croissants every day.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds just awful. Yeah, no.
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  Speaker 3: Um, and I work with my father, so I'm his
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  Speaker 3: literary agent. And the last time, um, we were kind
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  Speaker 3: of thinking through some of his marriage and communication books. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: my mom actually encouraged us to do the project that
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  Speaker 3: we're here to talk to you about today. And so I'll, I'll,
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  Speaker 3: Leave it at that.
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  Speaker 4: I love your mom. She's the best. All right, Emerson,
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  Speaker 4: you're up, my friend. I mean, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Figuring that you are a household word, but go ahead.
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  Speaker 4: Tell us who you are, what you do, and all
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  Speaker 4: the things.
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  Speaker 1: You're very honoring. No, I think for your audience, Sarah
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  Speaker 1: and I, my wife, Joy's mother, have been married since 1973.
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  Speaker 1: So we have been going on kind of 53 years here,
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  Speaker 1: and it's been a great run. But we do the
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  Speaker 1: Love and Respect marriage conferences. That's what we've done over
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  Speaker 1: the years. I wrote the book Love and Respect. based
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  Speaker 1: on Ephesians 5.33. And some may know about the crazy cycle.
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  Speaker 1: Without love, she reacts without respect. And without respect, he
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  Speaker 1: reacts without love. And that baby spins. And though we
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  Speaker 1: all need love and respect, Paul is kind of distinguishing that.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just made a lot of sense to a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people. And we've been helping people decode that
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  Speaker 1: dynamic and jump off the crazy cycle. Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely. And I mean, it's just a classic.
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  Speaker 2: I think for a lot of us, Love and Respect
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  Speaker 2: is up there with Five Love Languages.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it is just the go-to.
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  Speaker 2: And when you know that somebody is about to enter
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  Speaker 2: into this adventure, we call marriage. This is one of
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  Speaker 2: the ones that we just put in the shower gift
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  Speaker 2: because we know that it's going to help them go
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  Speaker 2: the distance. So thank you for all the ways that
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  Speaker 2: you have sown into generations now of marriages. That's such
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  Speaker 2: an incredible thing. Now, I have to ask, Emerson, before
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  Speaker 2: we go any further, and Joy, I want you to
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  Speaker 2: give me some intel on this. Emerson, I've known you
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  Speaker 2: a long time. you look exactly the same. I want
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  Speaker 2: to understand what is going on here. What is the
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  Speaker 2: skincare routine? Don't tell me it's a multivitamin.
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  Speaker 4: I mean.
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  Speaker 1: I look old 30 years ago, so I haven't seen it.
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  Speaker 4: It's pretty incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Well, y'all have been able to collaborate on a project
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  Speaker 2: that I think is so beautiful.
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  Speaker 4: And it started out of a tradition.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the things that I find that is
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  Speaker 2: so fascinating in families is My family has a whole
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  Speaker 2: vernacular and a way that we have of doing things
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  Speaker 2: that I never would have told you 10 or 20
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  Speaker 2: years ago would be something that would continue forward into
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  Speaker 2: today in the way that it has. And yet, whether
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  Speaker 2: it's nicknames or the way we tell little stories or
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  Speaker 2: little habits that we have as somebody is getting ready
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  Speaker 2: to go and head out somewhere and the things that
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  Speaker 2: we say.
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  Speaker 4: To each other, these things have turned.
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  Speaker 2: Into these beloved rituals and habits that And if I
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  Speaker 2: were to try to capture them, it would be kind
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  Speaker 2: of interesting to do that, to try to explain how
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  Speaker 2: these things developed. But what y'all have done is you
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  Speaker 2: have taken something that started when Joy was little and
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  Speaker 2: you've now captured it for us and you're sharing it
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  Speaker 2: in a book form. So Emerson, tell me the genesis
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  Speaker 2: of what this little ritual.
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  Speaker 4: Was when Joy was little.
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  Speaker 2: And then Joy, I'm going to ask you how it
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  Speaker 2: ended up being the project it is today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's a great question. And your observation on
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  Speaker 1: these dynamics expressions, we use it. No one else would get. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, my mother used to say, did it cut you?
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  Speaker 1: Burn you. And it cut you, burn you. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: these little things that we have that tickle us and
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  Speaker 1: you remember them and you use them as a reminder
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  Speaker 1: of the endearment factor there. And so I appreciate that
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  Speaker 1: insight you have on that. But Bega and Duga, and
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  Speaker 1: we have now this character called Tiny. So there are
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  Speaker 1: three characters in this. But when Joy was younger and
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  Speaker 1: we have Two other children, Jonathan and David. So the three,
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  Speaker 1: I would tell these bedtime stories about Bega and Duga
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  Speaker 1: and the land of Nuff. And she's now, Joy, taken
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  Speaker 1: this and put it on steroids.
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  Speaker 4: I love that. I love that.
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  Speaker 2: So, Joy, when did it occur to you, like, you
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  Speaker 2: know what? This was this little storyline that we had
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  Speaker 2: going that my dad would tell us at night.
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  Speaker 4: And hey, you know what? I'm checking my resume. I'm
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  Speaker 4: a literary agent. Maybe this is something that we should
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  Speaker 4: turn into a children's book. Tell me what that creative
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  Speaker 4: process was like.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it was multiple things. I mean, you know, one
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  Speaker 3: of the things my dad and I always say is
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  Speaker 3: we didn't grow up, you know, thinking we were the
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  Speaker 3: smartest kid in class. You know, we always felt like
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  Speaker 3: we were one step behind everybody else until we both
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  Speaker 3: were in college and sat in our first communications class.
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  Speaker 3: And we were like, ah. This makes sense to us
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  Speaker 3: and our brain and how we work. And we loved it.
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  Speaker 3: So I was a communication studies major. He has his
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  Speaker 3: master's in communication and several other degrees and things like that.
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  Speaker 3: But I have just always learned from him and my
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  Speaker 3: mom of just how to communicate well. And there's many
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  Speaker 3: things that I don't do well. And a principle that
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  Speaker 3: my dad taught me in college that just stuck with
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  Speaker 3: me was asking myself before I write an email, before
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  Speaker 3: I have a hard conversation, knowing when not to speak
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  Speaker 3: or when to speak up is asking myself these four things.
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  Speaker 3: Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? Is
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  Speaker 3: it clear? So that was just a side principle that
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  Speaker 3: helped so much in college, in my professional life, my
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  Speaker 3: personal relationships with my husband, because by nature, I have
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  Speaker 3: a bigger mouth and I will just, you know, Let
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  Speaker 3: it out. But if I actually take a second to
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  Speaker 3: stop and ask myself those questions, it's really helpful. And
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  Speaker 3: I've seen those principles help for people who maybe don't
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  Speaker 3: know when to speak up. They're a little bit shy.
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  Speaker 3: And so that has been a powerful message for me.
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  Speaker 3: And we thought, this is something that actually adults need.
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  Speaker 3: But if we could get this to children, it could
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  Speaker 3: really transform the way that we see the world communicating
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  Speaker 3: with technology and all those things. And I'm also really
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  Speaker 3: communicate with each other. And I'm like, what can we
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  Speaker 3: good lessons, but they're super boring. And my kids don't
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  Speaker 3: ask to read them again. And then there's a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of kids books out there that are so silly and funny.
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  Speaker 3: And my kids want to read them over and over.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, there's nothing of substance here. It's funny,
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  Speaker 3: a do over in the land of enough.
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  Speaker 4: It's silly.
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  Speaker 3: It's crazy. But it teaches those principles of is it true?
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  Speaker 4: I love that, Joy, because one of the things that
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  Speaker 4: I'm finding.
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  Speaker 2: Both in retrospect as I look at parenting my kids
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  Speaker 2: when they were younger, as I'm watching the next generation
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  Speaker 2: go forward with it, I love that we're trying to
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  Speaker 2: do a better job equipping children with being able to
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  Speaker 2: say how they're feeling, what their emotions are, what's going on.
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  Speaker 4: I love that.
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  Speaker 2: But part of what I think is going to be
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  Speaker 2: interesting to have to backfill is then to go through
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  Speaker 2: and teach this generation who's been equipped with a lot
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  Speaker 2: of great language about what their emotions are and how
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  Speaker 2: they're feeling.
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  Speaker 4: But teaching them, okay.
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  Speaker 2: But also here's what's wise, smart, paced about talking about
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  Speaker 2: how you're feeling. And I think to be able to
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  Speaker 2: infuse at an earlier age in a fun way. The
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  Speaker 2: ability to do that is going to serve as such
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  Speaker 2: a powerful tool for parents today who don't want to
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  Speaker 2: lose the beauty of helping their kids understand more of
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  Speaker 2: their internal world, but are going to need some help
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  Speaker 2: equipping them with tools as to how to say and
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  Speaker 2: what to say when, while still having the integrity of
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  Speaker 2: how you really feel and what's going on inside.
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  Speaker 4: Emerson, how was it for you?
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  Speaker 2: Because it's interesting to me at this point in my
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  Speaker 2: parenting with adult kids, there are things that I remember
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  Speaker 2: a certain way. And then there's the way that my
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  Speaker 2: adult children remember something. And I wish sometimes it was
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  Speaker 2: a little more flattering for me.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes it's not.
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  Speaker 2: But as the two of you began to excavate through
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  Speaker 2: these experiences that Joy had as a child of you
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  Speaker 2: telling these stories.
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  Speaker 3: With her two brothers and on and on.
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  Speaker 2: What were some things that surprised you in terms of
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  Speaker 2: what she remembered versus what your experience was as the
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  Speaker 2: parent as you were developing these stories and trying to
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  Speaker 2: get certain points across and sometimes just being silly and funny?
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  Speaker 3: Where was their convergence? Where were there some differences?
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  Speaker 1: That's an excellent question. And I've often said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'd have been a great parent had it not been
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  Speaker 1: for the kids. So they kept interfering. But I wrote
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  Speaker 1: the book Love and Respect in the family. I've got
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  Speaker 1: my PhD in family studies, and I waited to write that.
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  Speaker 1: Marriage kind of exploded prior to that, but the focus
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  Speaker 1: had been more on the family. But I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: wait for the kids to grow up so that they,
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  Speaker 1: as adults, could speak back in. And to your very point,
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  Speaker 1: the things I remembered I did well, they didn't recall.
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  Speaker 1: And the things that I did poorly that they really
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  Speaker 1: felt strongly about, I didn't recall. And there was one
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  Speaker 1: point while I was writing this over a two-year period,
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  Speaker 1: I kind of said to all three of them, You know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't write this. You know, I'm kind of
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  Speaker 1: feeling like, wow, this is kind of stunning to me
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  Speaker 1: because I wanted their candidness and transparency. But in the end,
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  Speaker 1: they were the three that said, no, you got to
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  Speaker 1: write it. They're the three that endorsed it. And then David,
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  Speaker 1: my son, who would express that I shamed him the most,
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  Speaker 1: was handing the book out to all of his buddies
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  Speaker 1: because he said they don't know how to parent. So anyway,
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of the story to that. But yeah, great question.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I talk a long time about those things,
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  Speaker 1: but I think, you know, that's where as parents, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we do what Hebrews says, we do what seems best.
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  Speaker 1: And we don't like that subjective element there. We want
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  Speaker 1: a formula. But children are moral, spiritual beings, and they're
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  Speaker 1: going to make their own decisions. And that makes us
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  Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable. So how do we become the real deal?
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  Speaker 1: How do we become the adult in the room and
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  Speaker 1: just stay consistent with that? in the midst of the chaos.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the challenge of parenting because we all feel
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  Speaker 1: like we're failing. You know, I must be a miserable
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  Speaker 1: person because my children are not responding to my great wisdom.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm over here like Yoda. Nobody's getting it.
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  Speaker 4: Where are my Jedi's? Exactly. Joy, how was it for you?
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  Speaker 2: I find this place in the relationship between parents and
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  Speaker 2: then adult children to be one that's really fascinating.
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  Speaker 4: I think one that we don't often have a guidebook for.
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  Speaker 2: When that is still your dad, And he has wisdom
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  Speaker 2: and experience and all these different things. But now you're
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  Speaker 2: operating as colleagues. You are producing a project together. You
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  Speaker 2: have a certain skill set and wisdom and experience. Now
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  Speaker 2: you're wanting to honor him as your dad. And at
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  Speaker 2: the same time, there are going to be creative choices
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  Speaker 2: and creative decisions that have to be made. How has
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  Speaker 2: that been for you viewing your dad through a colleague?
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  Speaker 3: Lens.
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  Speaker 2: And I know that you've worked with your dad for
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  Speaker 2: a long time, so this is not a new muscle
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  Speaker 2: for you to exercise. But I think it would be
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  Speaker 2: really helpful for the listener who has kids who are
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  Speaker 2: coming into adult ages and stages, and they're trying to
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  Speaker 2: figure out, for example, collaborating on Thanksgiving. And all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden, all the dynamics are different because mom who's
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  Speaker 2: been running the show all this time is now needing
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  Speaker 2: to incorporate and include adult kids as co-creators of this event.
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  Speaker 2: So How has that been for you and what has
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  Speaker 2: changed in the dynamics? What are some tips, tools, that
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  Speaker 2: kind of thing? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think, um, you know, my dad made a
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  Speaker 3: comment of, you know, being the adult in the room.
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  Speaker 3: I think, uh, it's so interesting now having kids and
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  Speaker 3: you said your kids are starting to have kids. I
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  Speaker 3: think that's really when the dynamic, you know, can start
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  Speaker 3: to change of like, wow, I see that, um, I
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  Speaker 3: have so much compassion for what my parents went through.
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  Speaker 3: And also like, I want to have a relationship with
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  Speaker 3: these little kids one day. And so there's just so
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  Speaker 3: much that kind of shifts when that happens. But I
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  Speaker 3: would say there were some certain just really pivotal moments
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  Speaker 3: of just some hard things that I went through kind
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  Speaker 3: of in my 20s that my parents really showed up for.
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  Speaker 3: And I would say that that actually changed the dynamic
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  Speaker 3: from parents who I was, you know, trying to seek
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  Speaker 3: their approval or do the right thing or whatever to
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  Speaker 3: an actual like mentor counselor and then deep friendship. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I just said last night to my in-laws that my parents,
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  Speaker 3: aside from my husband are my best friends, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and that, and so I say that to encourage people because.
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  Speaker 3: You know, my dad and I joke that in high school,
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  Speaker 3: you know, he, after a fight with my mom, I said,
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  Speaker 3: I said, just face it, dad, mom and I will
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: never be friends. So I encourage, I encourage the parents listening,
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: the moms listening who have teenage daughters, like it's possible
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: for you to be friends one day, even if they're
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: saying no. really horrific things like that. Um, but I
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: would say, yeah, I mean, it's, it's, uh, my dad
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: really does a good job of listening. Um, I, we actually,
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: that came up in one of the webinars we were doing, um,
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: as one of the pre-order bonuses, if people order be good,
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: gets a do-over, um, is I was just asking him
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: parenting questions. Cause again, that's what his PhD was in.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: I'm like, how do I get my kids to listen?
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: And he was recalling from his, um, dissertation that adult
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: children that were interviewed, um, of successful fathers. It was
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: the fathers who just learned to listen and be empathetic.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: And I would say there's a combination of my dad
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: having done that research, but also being a pastor for
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: so many years and a counselor. You know, so often
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: people will just be like, man, he just listened so well.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: And he will even say, I listen. And then I
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: say back to people what they've said. And I think
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: in friendships, in relationships, in marriages, in parent-child thing of
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: just validating someone. I just think our world's getting worse
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: and worse at listening. And so I would say that
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: that's one of the things that I really respect about
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: both of my parents is they will just be present.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: They will listen. And I know that they're actively listening
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: because they can repeat back to me afterwards what I've said. Yeah.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, it sounds to me like one of the
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: key components of this collaborative process with your dad is
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: that you already had established a trust that you.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: Knew you were going to be heard.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: And I think this is fantastic wisdom for parents out
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: there who have kids coming into more.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: Of those adult stages.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Because as we see kids launching and starting to do
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: all the things, and I'm sure Emerson can attest to this,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: there are moments where, oh, you really want to say something.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: You really want to go, oh, I wouldn't, I don't
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: know if I would. But I find so often that
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: I know I respond to this and I know that
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: my kids do too. If I am intentional about showing
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: them that I see them, I am listening, I am
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: hearing them, it really is establishing a trust, I think,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: that they will be seen and heard and that their
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: opinions will be valued, that it won't just be this
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: override of this momming on them that I am so
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: accustomed to doing, but now I'm taking this little step
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: back and making sure I'm letting them listen. Emerson, when
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: you look at parents today, when it comes to communication
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: and as part of this work of Viga Gets a Do-Over,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: you know, we talked about the four things that you
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: taught Joy as a kid and then have established in
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: terms of what's so important when it comes to what
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: we're going to say. But what are some other communication
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: things that you would love to see parents be really
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: intentional with as.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: Per a new generation?
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: As per to Joy's point, I think we have people
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: who are becoming very attuned to being able to debate,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: but I don't know that we're always listening, processing, and
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: capturing some of the nuance sometimes. So what would you
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: encourage parents along the lines of communication to also be
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: thinking about?
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: No, that's a very broad and excellent question. And I
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: think back, just circle back to that point, you know,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: adults with adult children, but who those children are not
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: married and have children, there is a period of time
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: that there's going to be healthy, heated fellowship. There's going
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: to be still these Thanksgiving times. I mean, you've got
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: to allow for a period of time where those kids
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: are adults, but they still don't fully appreciate. You kind
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: of got to anticipate, wait until they have children. And
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: then they'll begin to kind of come back around and
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: realize that maybe my parents weren't as foolish as I
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: thought they were. But that doesn't mean that we don't
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: still stay engaged. And one of the principles that and
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I think I violated it, was giving me more credit,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: there's a difference between validation and instruction. Validation doesn't mean
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: you say that what they're saying is valid, but you
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: try to empathize with it. You try to validate, you know,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: why they probably feel the way they do, and you
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: can empathize with it. You've been there. It may not
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: be the wisest conclusion, but it's not outside the range
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: of my experience and other people's experience. So validation before
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: moving to instruction. And I tended to, because I'm a teacher,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: move to instruction. I used to leave the three-page letter
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: to the kids. Here's what they need to do. And
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: that's kind of one of our histories of our family.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I instructed too much.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: You always knew you were in trouble when you had
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: a nine-page report on your bed when you got home.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Who got the longest this week? But Even with David,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: my son, there was a situation with some other people
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: that he's trying to minister to. And he was wanting
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: to move in on instruction with this buddy. And I said,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: let's start with validation. And his other friend was wanting
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: to move on instruction. I said, let's begin with this
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: guy's pain. Let's just sit with him in his pain.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: You don't need to get to instruction too quick. And
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: that was a mistake that I made. And I don't
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: know if that is valuable for anybody listening, but it's
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: certainly my poor experience for sure.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: No, I really resonate with that because I think sometimes,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: particularly if we are naturally fixers, you know, as parents,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: we bring our own personalities to the stage. And I
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: think sometimes that this is something that's a little bit overlooked. Now,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I'm all about looking at your kid and understanding their personality.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: And it's been a part of my early work. And
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I really love that. But a component that I also
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: want to make sure is in there is understanding that
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: you as a parent have a personality and strengths and
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: gifts that come forth. And sometimes the things that you
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: are very well known for within your professional field or
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: amongst your friends, you're the friend who can fix everything.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: You're the friend who has the answers. You're the friend
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: everyone comes to for advice. Doesn't always translate the same
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: way in your parental relationship to your kids as they're
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: entering those young adult stages. So the very thing sometimes
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: that you feel like you have the most to offer
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: and your kids may be like, no, thank you until
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: they have a little more life under their wheels. So
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: I love that you bring that up. that place of
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: really validating and making sure someone has understood what you,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: that you really are attending to what they're saying, that
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: you're really seeking to understand their perspective.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: And there's another side you and I enjoy. We'd be more,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: maybe the initiator, the teacher.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: But I remember a young man telling me that he
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: stayed away from Christ for years because when he was
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: in his early twenties, he said, my girlfriend's moving into
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: your house with me. And the parents thought we need
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: to validate him. We need to empathize with him. So
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: they let him, her come in, sleep in the house
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. And he said, I
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: stayed away from Jesus Christ for years because I concluded
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: that the faith of my parents was insincere. And he said,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: once I realized I was the one forcing myself on
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: them and they were trying to be accommodating to them,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: but they didn't realize that they had compromised. And once
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: they realized that, there was a re-calibrating that went on.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: But he said, I stayed away from Christ. So there's
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: that person maybe listening who isn't as vocal. So if
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: they hear validation to mean just to kind of be
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: compliant and go along with your kids, we're not saying
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: that either. That's why we say, is it true? Is
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: it kind? Is it necessary? Is it clear? And if
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: it's true, it needs to align with Christ. It needs
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: to align with the Lord. And we are called upon
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: not to compromise that, even if in fact our children
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: for a period of time, you know, distance themselves from us.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: And that's the challenge of parenting, isn't it? Right.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: Absolutely. Absolutely.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Joy, for you, Living in Paris, living as an expat
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: in a different part of the world, what have you
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: found that seems to be pretty universal when it comes
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: to the things you learned in your home of origin
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: and the ways that you navigated life as a kid
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: and then as a young adult and now as both
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: a daughter and a colleague to your dad that are
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: different culturally a little bit to where you live now?
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: And how does that play into your sense of what
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: is timeless and consistent in communication. And what we need
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: to sometimes take a look at is understanding might be generational,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: might be cultural, might be different in some other way.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Because I do think the expat life brings with it
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: some perspectives that sometimes for those of us who are
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: accustomed to living in a certain region in a certain
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: way and living life a certain direction, sometimes we can
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: miss out on. So what has your experience been in that,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: in this creative process as someone who is not now
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: hasn't been living in the U S for about nine years.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Oh man. I feel like 4,000 things just went off
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: in my brain because I think that is, I mean,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: before moving to France nine and a half years ago,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: my husband and I had an assessment done by a
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: guy who actually works with a lot of military and
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: a lot of people who are thinking of going to
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: the mission field and just figuring out like, are you
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: someone that can live in an international environment and succeed?
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: And thankfully we both passed because we have a natural,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: like the big thing was like, we're naturally curious about
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: other cultures. I think when you come in as one
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: culture to another culture and then are just expecting it
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: because maybe it looks a little bit like your culture
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: to function like your culture and it doesn't, you're going
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: to be endlessly frustrated. So There are frustrations, but I
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: think my husband and I have always just been like, oh, wow, OK,
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: this is how French parents seem to parent. And this
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: is how and there's even there are generational differences even
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: in France. And it's interesting to us. I mean, one
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: of the things that we talk about is bedtime. Even
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: it's just it's more of a Latin culture. Everybody goes
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: to bed later. They get up later. And we joke
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: that we still haven't let our kids know that they're
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: on an American schedule because all their friends stay up
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: so much later. We're like, no, you're going to bed
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: at 730. But, yeah, I mean, I think, you know,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: an interesting dynamic that I, you know, sometimes miss is,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: you know, we grew I grew up. My dad was
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: a pastor. And so we were in a really large
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: church community. And there was like a support group. They
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: called me. It was just a group of families that
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: all got together and really supported each other. You know,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: and I've tended to live in cities post-college. I lived
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: in L.A., I lived in Portland, Oregon, and now I've
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: lived in Paris, France. And I would say for me
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: as a Christian, I think I actually do better in
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: cities and places that are culturally that are not culturally
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Christian because it makes me think more about my faith
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: and why I believe. And yet I think about that
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: like I saw I lived in a more culturally Christian
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: environment growing up. always believed in Jesus and had a
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: strong faith and had that support group. And so sometimes
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: I wonder now, like, how will that be for my kids?
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: Is that going to be the same for them? And
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: so we have a smaller church community that we're a
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: part of, and it's the expat community. But yeah, these
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: are things that I think about, but I don't know
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: how they will impact our kids. But it's endlessly fascinating
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: to me.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Well, and I think if I could jump in there,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: and it may not be relevant to the audience, but
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I think it's a great teaching point You're dealing with
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: the fact that, is it called third generation, the study
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: that's been done?
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Third culture kids. Third culture kids.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Comment on that because I thought that was very insightful. Yeah.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: So we've always had our kids in full French schools.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: So there's a lot of the expat community that'll say, oh,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: we want our kids in a bilingual school or an
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: international school. And we never knew how long we'd be
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: in France. So we thought, we just want to make
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: sure they get the language because it was so hard
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: for me in school. to learn a second language. I
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: took German for two years in high school and I
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: can count to three in German. So I'm like, hey,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: if it's going to be as hard for my kids,
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: let's just full immersion for as long as we're here.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: But there is, the kids do still feel different. Like
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: they're like, we're not, we will never be fully French,
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: even though they were born here. This is the culture
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: that they've primarily grown up in. And someone told us
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: we went to, I don't know if you're familiar with Libri.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: It was started by the theologian, Francis Schaeffer in Switzerland.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: And I had spent some time there in my 20s.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: And so last year, we took the whole family to
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: La Brie in the Alps. And there was a family
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: that's lived there for about 20 plus years. And so
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: they raised their kids. So we were like, tell us
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: about this. If we end up staying in France, like,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: give us your wisdom. And they said, they're Canadian. And
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: they were like, our kids will never feel fully Canadian.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: And they'll never feel fully Swiss again. But the people
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: that they will connect with the most are third culture kids.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: So anyone, wherever they are, who has parents of a
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: different culture than where they are. And it's really, and
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: once we, our eyes open to that, we saw it,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: like even at our daughter's school, there is a little
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: girl from China, but her parents have met, she was
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: born in France. And, you know, my daughter Millie and
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: her are friends. And it's, and again, it's not, it's not,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: as my dad says, it's not wrong. It's just different.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: And we're observing it. And we took the kids to
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Disneyland Paris in June. And there was a frozen experience
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: where you could meet Anna and Elsa.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: And it was fascinating to me because we're standing waiting
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: and this little helper comes up and she goes, would
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: you like your experience to be in French, Spanish, or English?
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: And we were like, we'll do it in English. But
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: we were waiting and we heard Anna and Elsa just
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: flip from Spanish to French, whoever the people were that
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: were coming. And so I said to my daughter, Millie,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: I go, you... can be a Disney princess. That can
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: be your job. And she was so excited.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, my grandchildren are going to be
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: in that category because dad is from Japan and they
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: are speaking in Japanese and English as we talked about
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: before we went on mics earlier.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: And now.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: they're living in a community where Spanish is one of
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: the primary languages.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, it is that whole thing. So I'm going
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: to be able.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: To go back and go, okay, maybe at, you know,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Disney Tokyo.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: You guys tell me that. Exactly. It would be amazing.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: I love that. Well, Emerson, one of the things that
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: I love about this project as I consider it.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Is that I feel like we've had a season where
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: we've had some pretty amazing authors, people in ministry, pastors, musicians,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: on and on, who are coming into a time where
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: they're going to have to figure out how to hand
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: off the baton. And some of them are doing it
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: kicking and screaming and trying to stay young and hip
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: and gripping onto the mic.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: For all they're worth.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: And then we have the true sages like you who
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: are saying, we got another generation coming. We got some
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: things that we want to equip and do and show.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Talk to me about how it feels from a heart
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: level to be pulling joy into these various projects. And
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: now this beautiful new book that you have on Viga,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Viga Gets a Do-Over. And the intentionality of making sure
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: that we are equipping the next generation to lead, to write,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: to speak, to ideate, to share the wisdom God gives them.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: With a broader audience.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: And we do. You come to that point in your
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: life where you realize the legacy of very important. And
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I think we're all conscious of that. But there is
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: a felt need that starts coming to you the older
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: you get. And it's a great privilege right now for
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Joy to have that excitement and to catch this vision
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: for Bega and Duga and the four principles is a true, kind, necessary,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: and clear. And to see her really take that to
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: the grandchildren now, it just brings joy to my heart
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: and to Sarah's heart. And Sarah was the one that
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: really said, this needs to be done. And Joy took
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the challenge and has been running with it. But yeah,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think all of us need to step
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: back and really I think there is that sense in
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: which some people kick and scream because there's an ego
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: involved in this. And we have to come to a
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: point where we let go of that, that we say, Lord,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not necessary, that I'm not the center here, and
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: that we want to please Christ, that we want to
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  Speaker 1: please him, and then just ask him, Lord, now in
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  Speaker 1: this season of my life, what is it you want
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  Speaker 1: me to do to leave that kind of legacy? And
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  Speaker 1: I think it's important for us to think about that.
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  Speaker 1: Who is it that's going to cry at your funeral?
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  Speaker 1: And those are the people that you need to invest in.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: And I just love getting to see this multigenerational project
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  Speaker 2: come to light. I can't wait for it to be
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  Speaker 2: out in the world. Joy, where can the listener go
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  Speaker 2: to find out more about Bega and some of the
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  Speaker 2: great pre-release things that you guys are doing and pre-order things?
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  Speaker 4: So I want to make sure the reader has all
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  Speaker 4: the good stuff. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: You can head over to landofnuff.com. And Nuff is just
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  Speaker 3: fun backwards. And I did not realize that until I
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  Speaker 3: was an adult.
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  Speaker 4: I love that. Oh, the lore. It's fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Joanne Emerson, I am just so honored and thankful
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  Speaker 2: to get to have this conversation with the two of you.
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  Speaker 2: It's so great to connect again. And I just wish
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  Speaker 2: you all the best on this incredible story. It's going
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  Speaker 2: to do so much to equip not just kids, but
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  Speaker 2: moms and dads with principles to think about how we're
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  Speaker 2: communicating and the ways in which we represent Jesus when
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  Speaker 2: we do.
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  Speaker 4: So thank you so much for all your work and
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  Speaker 4: all your love.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for your work. And we hope this.
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  Speaker 1: Is a children's book for adults as well.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was just saying. We hope we
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  Speaker 3: entertain the parents, too, because I've read I've read so
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  Speaker 3: many kids books where I'm really bored and I really
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  Speaker 3: want parents to be laughing as well. They will be.
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  Speaker 4: They will be. Well, that's it, listener. I want you
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  Speaker 4: to go straight to those show notes.
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  Speaker 2: You know that's your directive every time because Rebecca is
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  Speaker 2: going to put all the links in for all the
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  Speaker 2: great stuff where you can find out more about what
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  Speaker 2: Emerson and Joy have been.
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  Speaker 4: Up to in this fantastic book.
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  Speaker 2: Be sure also to join us at the All Mom
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  Speaker 2: Does community, allmomdoes.com and allmomdoes on the socials because that's
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  Speaker 2: where you're going to meet other women right in the
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  Speaker 2: trenches where you are trying to figure out all the stuff.
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  Speaker 4: You're going to get encouragement. You're going to be challenged.
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  Speaker 4: You're going to love it. I love it too. When
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  Speaker 4: you come over and see me on Instagram is where
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  Speaker 4: I hang out the most, Julie Lyle's car.
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  Speaker 2: about the topics and the guests that you want to see,
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  Speaker 2: we absolutely listen. And so many of you are discovering
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  Speaker 2: that your questions are being answered. People you've wanted to
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  Speaker 2: hear from, we're bringing them on the show. Make sure
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  Speaker 2: and let me know how I can do my very
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  Speaker 2: best to allow this show to speak to you.
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  Speaker 4: And I will see you next time on the All
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