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Our Big Predictions For Jalon Daniels’ Bucs Debut · Hear The Cannons - Tampa Bay Buccaneers Podcast

0:01
[SPEAKER_02]: The bucks have a chance to get in the win column on Sunday, but they are riding with an undrafted free agent quarterback, and that is Jalen Daniels, and River, you and I had a lot of time to spend with him all throughout this offseason from rookie, many camp all the way through OTAs, training camp, and a lot of those preseason games.
0:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Kayle will be on here with us today and we'll discuss what we think will happen in this debut for Daniels against the Green Bay Packers and Raymond James Stadium.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We also have some injury updates some very important ones too.
0:39
[SPEAKER_02]: We are going to discuss what Gerald McCoy and also to Rob Gronkowski had to say about this team, the culture, what is happening at one buck, also McCoy being
0:48
[SPEAKER_02]: very voiceful on the coaching staff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to get to those comments and just a few and then we're going to end it off with our bold predictions and score predictions with me on this beautiful Friday morning and the bay as river wells are lead editor at Bucksandv.com and all the way to the other side is our veteran writer Caleb Skinner, gentlemen as per usual happy Friday, happy weekend, how we doing guys.
1:12
[SPEAKER_01]: doing good, getting ready to approach week four of the regular season.
1:16
[SPEAKER_01]: We got a bar and burn our last night, but we're going to look forward to a game.
1:24
[SPEAKER_01]: The bucks simply must win and we'll talk about what it means to start going forward in the national football league historically later.
1:33
[SPEAKER_01]: but a little quick preview.
1:35
[SPEAKER_01]: It's bad.
1:36
[SPEAKER_01]: So, there you go.
1:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Shopper.
1:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sports are just not fun for me right now.
1:43
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of like going wrong.
1:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I could desperately use a win in one of my, for one of my teams right now.
1:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And they have a great chance to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.
1:53
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll dig into that.
1:56
[SPEAKER_00]: hopefully this will be a little bit more fun of a game to watch, you know, just from from a consumer perspective.
2:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, what do you tell us, Skinner, Florida State just be Central Arkansas?
2:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Come on, yeah, yeah, whatever, and then you can get the starters off theino in the second half of the Central Arkansas.
2:10
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's it.
2:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, tough times the lightning last night and they're opening a season game lost to the Rangers five to one didn't even really feel close in that game so they're gonna have it bounce back.
2:23
[SPEAKER_02]: We got the raise though everybody's looking forward to being and they drop this weekend.
2:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna try to find my way and there's somehow some way of ticket prices aren't insane, but still from the left.
2:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's gonna be watching.
2:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, they're like selling out.
2:34
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I know I'm the Yankees and raise in Tampa.
2:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
2:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, gonna be insanity.
2:42
[SPEAKER_02]: So gentlemen, we got a lot to discuss.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's get to it.
2:45
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know what's crazy?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll open up right here, you know, with Jalen Daniels.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is going to be something that we haven't had since going all the way back to a backup quarterback starting since what Ryan fits Patrick in 2018.
2:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Fits magic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's been a long while and it's crazy like all of our eyes and attention as it should be that is on the quarterback situation, but
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[SPEAKER_02]: the box are oint three guys like that's kind of being overstated I think because of this going on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a strong chance they could go oint four we'll see what happens and how Daniels can operate offensively.
3:22
[SPEAKER_02]: But I just thought we'd kind of give a rundown of who Jalen Daniels is we put out an article early this week that the fans loved it so I thought on here on the show at least give a rundown for our listeners too.
3:31
[SPEAKER_02]: So he spent six years at Kansas
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[SPEAKER_02]: He had signed with the bucks as under at the free agent as we all know and all of us on here We're talking about competition at the QB3 spot for Connor Bay's lack and what ends up happening is that he jumps ahead of Bay's lack and we're like Wow, okay, and then Todd Bulls tells us that practice river and Chauksis says there's a quarterback too job opened right here between Browning
4:03
[SPEAKER_02]: and Daniel is insuring off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He ends up winning that QB2 job, Jake Browning says, I'm out of here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to stay out of this roster.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to try to go look for another opportunity in the pre-season.
4:16
[SPEAKER_02]: He went 27.44, 61.4% completion rate and then 239 yards, one touchdown, no interceptions.
4:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Guys,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where are you at going into this game and what should fans realistically expect from this rookie from Kansas River?
4:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll let you go first.
4:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Realistically, you should really time for your expectations going into this one.
4:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Daniel's is an undrafted for Agent Rookie, so every team passed on him seven times, and then now he's coming into this game, not to say the bucks don't believe in him, like him, to say they definitely do.
4:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely enough to make him QB2, they're like a talent, they're like what the energy he offers, but it's going to be a huge uphill battle for him on Sunday.
5:07
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked to Zach Robinson and Todd Bulls already, they mentioned we're going to simplify the offense, make it simpler, they're going to have probably Graham Barton and Ben Bryson help him set protections, because he's a rookie who has not had as much time with this offense as bigger may feel it has.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And with similar offense, it's like they can't even have the pass.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So a big or maybe he'll be helping him out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: East and sick will be helping him out and so will Brett Ripian who the team just signed.
5:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Interestingly enough, Jake Browning was on this team in the off season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: got cut in favor of Daniels is still a free agent and the box went and got bread riff in instead of him.
5:49
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of something note.
5:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's gonna be tough to me go top with him.
5:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Jonathan Ganon is gonna throw a ton of stuff at him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's according to the backers because he's a rookie.
6:01
[SPEAKER_01]: You would imagine they had to go short throws, RPOs, screens, and they're gonna really have to try and lean on Bucky Irving.
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[SPEAKER_01]: quite a bit.
6:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I would be surprised if he goes out there and plays like good, but you never know.
6:15
[SPEAKER_01]: It's he could just, you know, come out.
6:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I look at it really hot, but I think it's unlikely.
6:19
[SPEAKER_01]: So I would try and, you know, temper expectation of what you expect to see from Jayla Danes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, whatever, I've got a great stat for you here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Non-week one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: quarterbacks that didn't start in one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Back of quarterbacks who have been pushed into starter roles are six and up in the NFL right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's fun.
6:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got some pretty good confidence because we are earlier in the year early in the season that this could work out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in the book and years favors.
6:51
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have any film other than what you've gotten the preseason from them.
6:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's a lot of preseason film because he did get a lot of snaps during week two and week three in the preseason, but other than that.
7:03
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not really going to know how the buck owners are going to use JLo Daniels.
7:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you, quick reads, quick decision making, quick passes, relying on the run game, relying on RPOs, things of nature are going to be key to things being able to run smoothly.
7:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I think JLo Daniels would be able to do that.
7:20
[SPEAKER_00]: him being able to make off-script plays is going to be huge him making that decision to take off with the ball sooner than Baker Mayfield is going to be huge for Tampa Bay, especially when the offensive line hasn't been up to the par that we are used to.
7:34
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm kind of excited to see him in action and I think he might be
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[SPEAKER_00]: plenty of effective enough for Tampa Bay to go out there and get this big three.
7:43
[SPEAKER_00]: They have a lot of concerns when it comes to injuries and things of that nature is Chris Godwin obviously popping up on injury court, not ideal.
7:50
[SPEAKER_00]: But he still got playmakers around him and Green Bay is susceptible to the run.
7:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Their defense is not all that great.
7:57
[SPEAKER_00]: John, again, and loves to mix it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But
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[SPEAKER_00]: what we've seen through three weeks from them has not been great either.
8:02
[SPEAKER_00]: They've allowed teams to go up, run up and down on them, throw up and down on them.
8:05
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're going to have their chances.
8:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Jayland Daniels has the right mindset to be able to you know, come in and take this bull by the horns and then eat this offense and to be able to do enough and pull out a victory.
8:19
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm looking over at a stat right here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is going to be the first
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[SPEAKER_02]: that an undrafted rookie quarterback will ever start for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, which is really unique.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we talked to him earlier this week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Goes a great interview.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He always brings some energy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He is quick to answer questions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he is someone that you're going to be easily rooting for.
8:44
[SPEAKER_02]: just from the storyline itself, but whenever you get to know him and just the way that he operates his personality and getting to know him, he's a great young man and he did tell us, you know, all that time that he got to spend at the college level, which he laughed at.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was like six years, it's quite a long time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But he said, you know, you get to see a lot of defenses.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You see a lot of coverage is from defensive coordinators, and he feels like that experience is going to help him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we've seen that happen with a lot of quarterbacks across the league that come in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That might not be, you know, talented as, you know, one of those top picks, but can come in and be able to operate efficiently, take care of the ball.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and do things that might not be the caliber of some other guys like a patch of my homes and such, but they're looking to just see, and I think to Caleb the point of him being able to do some things with his legs and doing some things that are off-script is going to be able to maybe get this offense and some parts, not gonna say it to be pretty all throughout the game, but give it some opportunities that weren't there for the first three games because this offense has been ugly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the offensive line like you know you guys were mentioned or wherever you said earlier now they're gonna have to adjust some things for Daniels.
10:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Well first off they need to adjust some things from the very beginning of the song.
10:05
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been awful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It has been brutal and Baker Mayfield kind of felt like how he was last year on easy in the pocket and that also two is on bake.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know there's some we obviously he hold on to the ball way too long and you know maybe not seeing some guys some
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not just offensive line, but they are going to have to take a very big step forward to, I think, help cushion, you know, this debut for Daniels and also to don't you think River, they got to get that running game going and can you help us in the past any help.
10:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
10:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but he's done a lot and he's he's starting to get banged up there and that last game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
10:47
[SPEAKER_00]: and according to polls, he's not on the injury works.
10:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, the joke there, guys, for you watching on was that he was, in fact, on the injury for me.
10:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He actually was.
10:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he actually is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll get to more clarification on that today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean, you would think you would love to get the running game going, and I, it still stuns me so much that you can't get Kenny Gainwell.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Any kind of efficiency in this offense, I'd added such a concern to me moving forward that, you know, I thought we all thought just going through camp and the things that he was doing, I mean, he looked like almost RB1 and then now he's just nowhere to be seen at all, or Sean Tucker.
11:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, John Tucker 100% you know that's a player that gave a new contract to the game season and he just has not been, you know, not playing.
11:39
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's another deal.
11:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Perhaps to be under the microscope with this team.
11:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm sure that bucks fans are looking at her shot while being like, I'm sure he would have taken the money that they can he game at this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can he get more involved, but when he has had his opportunities, he hasn't really take advantage of those.
12:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's not been as effective as the runner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As we thought it would be, part of that's on the offensive line, part of that's on play calling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Drop passes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, everybody's got to kind of pick it up and not just kind of walk in.
12:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As you can see in this photo right here for our listeners watching on YouTube, I mean,
12:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude has a lot of energy and that was the number one thing that stood out to Todd Bowles whenever they brought him in for that top 30 visit and like you said earlier, remember this staff feels very confident in him, you know, on the outside from us, you know, we only get to see a few things and practices and the interviews and get to know him a little bit but from the
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[SPEAKER_02]: They feel very confident he said that Baker Mayfield has been hands on with him, but he also, you know, Baker told him just to play your game and, you know, you know, taking the moment, be out there, Raymond James, take it in, but also to play your game, don't play like me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is you and you operate the offense, how, you know, zacks do the play calling, but
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was not to be some players that need to step up and help them.
13:09
[SPEAKER_02]: We put out an article atbucksandbay.com and there's a handful of players.
13:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I know Chris got on as one of those.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He came up with an ankle earlier this week, but he's been cleared and he seems like he's a me a full go when we talked to Todd Bolton later.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But who else do you think when we're talking about the offensive line, of course, we hit on that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is there anybody else that needs to step up?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe a coach like Zach Robinson?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Chandler Whitmer is going to be important here too guys the quarterback's coach and I had a bold prediction that was going to be the biggest higher this off season with how Baker started the season and I don't think that's going so well for me but Whitmer is going to have to be very hands on with Daniels obviously this week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anybody else stand out to you that then you step up for your undirected free agent quarterback?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think oh does that
14:01
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to be creative here.
14:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you understand what's going to be coming at you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You understand that it's a young quarterback, a very unexpected and experienced quarterback when it comes to this level of football.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So being able to do things that
14:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you look at what Ben Johnson was able to do with with case keynum, and I know case keynum's been a better and this lead for very long time and understands things, but also he's a much different quarterback and capability.
14:28
[SPEAKER_00]: So he had to get very creative and be able to put case keynum in situations.
14:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ben Johnson was running two whiter severs through the sea gap on routes just to get them open for a case can so you never see that who does that it's psychotic right like who is ever going to think To run two whiter severs through a sea gap to be able to create and get them open for case can and when you've got a free blitzer off the edge so
14:50
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to find these little wrinkles that are going to work right like you can't just sit here and run the same old same old stuff because it is a different quarterback it might not be as effective as if bigger maybe over in the game so if Zach Robinson is able to buckle down this week and find these holes find these gaps where he's going to be able to take advantage of jailing Daniels talent as well as what he does know in his experience that he has from his college days then then that will be great if not then we're probably going to be
15:20
[SPEAKER_00]: looking at Zach Robinson, like, was this guy really the higher that we needed, you know, this year because it hasn't really done anything.
15:29
[SPEAKER_00]: The ground game has been awesome, which I think if you're running a lot of RPO, that's kind of free open a lot.
15:33
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're if you're running that RPO, given Daniels, that choice to, you know, keep the ball or hand it off be super effective.
15:40
[SPEAKER_00]: The buck and ears are one of the best, you know, once they're in the red zone, I'm running running the ball when they are in the red zone.
15:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they are the best
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[SPEAKER_00]: just taking advantage of those opportunities, getting J.L.
15:52
[SPEAKER_00]: and Daniels in some easy reads for him, making sure that he is able to see the field and not put too much pressure on himself to have to go out there when the game is going to be key.
16:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think this game a lot is going to rely on how Zach Robinson does.
16:08
[SPEAKER_02]: you in that same boat there, rivers, or anyone else that needs to wire serum.
16:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think in the wire sieve room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like everybody, you know, but Dan is going to need a really reliable option.
16:21
[SPEAKER_01]: And part of that's Zach Robinson, like you mentioned, Caleb, being able to scheme guys and get in the right place.
16:26
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, Chris Gouder and a mech and Boocker, they're going to be really important in this game.
16:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think both of them really need to be able to help him out in the best way.
16:37
[SPEAKER_01]: be open in the intermediate and if Lucas got to work on getting really good separation and and being there for him when he needs to be there for him.
16:44
[SPEAKER_01]: So those are going to be two important things, the routes and then the physicality need to take a step up in order to separate, get open and allow Daniels when he's going through his reads and progress, it's not the freeze up in the pocket, right?
16:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's partially on Robins and the scheme those guys open, first sure and that's partially on them to get open.
17:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, I, I think, uh, Chomuk Bay, one of his big, big saying, this chimps and joes of our exes and I was right.
17:10
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think in this league, uh, great players are more important than anything else.
17:15
[SPEAKER_01]: So being a great player to be able to help out guys, not only like Jale Nails, but like Zach Robinson and the, and the offense and the skiing, it's gonna be really important.
17:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think those swars, he was going to step up.
17:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's what Rob Gunkowski had to say about Jalen Daniels getting this start and you want to try it again.
17:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait hold on what I just say.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But he had it, right?
17:40
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have a fix up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Rob Grunkhouse seed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How old are you going to get this start?
17:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what were you to tape on that one?
17:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I need to know what I said.
17:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I need to be held accountable.
17:49
[SPEAKER_02]: I need to count it like this locker.
17:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I was like, that was the vibe I got from that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But no, no, no, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Rob Grunkhouse, you talk about Jalen Daniels.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the quote right here.
17:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Go for it.
18:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Rob Grunkhouse, you said, yeah, they can.
18:02
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't know what they're going to have with Jalen Daniels.
18:04
[SPEAKER_02]: They really don't.
18:06
[SPEAKER_02]: this could actually be a spark for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
18:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it will be.
18:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, with how dead the offense has been, I don't know if it can get any more lame duckie the last few weeks, but maybe there will be some juice here.
18:20
[SPEAKER_02]: And it felt like outside of that Jacksonville game at the very end of the preseason, you go to that chiefs game.
18:26
[SPEAKER_02]: That's when that offense kind of just showed you some life, and that's also too in every head.
18:31
[SPEAKER_02]: your offensive starters having a few drives to with Baker may feel to just felt like some things were flowing.
18:36
[SPEAKER_02]: And it is going to be intriguing.
18:38
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why it's very intriguing for any bucks fans going into this game.
18:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you said earlier, maybe temper your expectations 100%.
18:45
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: could this be a future quarterback for you down the road and depending on what happens with Baker Mayfield in the future wise you kind of get a first little taste at it and obviously the bucks feel confident that get I don't think they expected for him to have this opportunity so quickly since arriving in Tampa they would have rather this be after a year or so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and whatnot, but is what it is.
19:08
[SPEAKER_02]: This is what you did.
19:08
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a wrist at Jason Layton Todd Bulls are deciding to go with and you got to take whatever happens and we will see what goes on now.
19:17
[SPEAKER_02]: There's been a few comments also too from Grunkowski and Gerald McCoy about the current state of the Tampa Bay Buck in years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Gerald McCoy not too happy with the coaching staff.
19:27
[SPEAKER_02]: in Tampa, let's go over to, he spoke on first Rubin Bane and the slow start for him.
19:38
[SPEAKER_02]: He said he drafted him to generate a pass rush, a lot of people thought that he was a steal.
19:42
[SPEAKER_02]: If you haven't even established him as what he does best, and he's doing all this dropping into coverage.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a whole discussion right there as we've known with Todd Bulls dropping his outside linebacker.
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[SPEAKER_02]: in the coverage at times.
20:00
[SPEAKER_02]: He then went on to talk about David Walker.
20:01
[SPEAKER_02]: He really likes what he sees from him after two sacks.
20:04
[SPEAKER_02]: He said, Walker, he's the best past Russia we got and he barely plays.
20:09
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why he barely plays.
20:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Things of that sort and how these guys are being coached.
20:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it is a judgment on them, a detriment to them, tell about the players.
20:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, he also spoke on the offense, the most surprising thing is how off Baker and the offense looks.
20:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Zach Robinson, I thought he was going to put together something, you know, it is just not looking good.
20:30
[SPEAKER_02]: And our offensive lineman, Golly, it just don't look good.
20:35
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... robron calsky had a few things to say to about the losses of my heavens long-tailed david said they lost mike evidence the longest tenured player along with the long-tailed david as well those were culture guys they brought the team together so maybe ground calsky kind of saying there's not good culture inside of the the one book which was the whole off season narrative from national media sand since the day was asking for a trade invader made for one of his contract extension
21:03
[SPEAKER_02]: the culture was off, but I'll finish it off here, guys, with Ronpconkowski's comments on Todd Bols.
21:10
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to remember, Todd Bols was on this coaching staff where they won that Super Bowl and Ronpconkowski.
21:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I was on that team.
21:16
[SPEAKER_02]: He said, it's definitely going to be an option that's on the table, talking about the hot seat.
21:20
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to change up something when things aren't going right.
21:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Something needs to change, something needs to flip, and that is definitely going to be a conversation I would say leading up.
21:30
[SPEAKER_02]: to the future, that will be on the table for sure.
21:33
[SPEAKER_02]: So kind of holding back there, I think it is because he has some ties and what not to Todd?
21:42
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, he was on the offense, but y'all spots on some of these former players speaking out and a lot of it is on the current coaching staff at the Tambi Buccaneers.
21:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that makes sense because they are former players right and naturally having played especially guys like Rob Runkowski having played on a Super Bowl team.
22:04
[SPEAKER_01]: They know it's like when you have a great roster of great players and you're really clicking with the head coach.
22:10
[SPEAKER_01]: In this case it was Berserians, a scene league Berserians commanded a lot of us back in the locker room and I don't think the top bulls doesn't necessarily but naturally when things
22:19
[SPEAKER_01]: players are probably not going to go man the players need to be better they're going to be like all the coaches need to be better and I think both can be true and both are true in this case.
22:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Girl Kowsky's right and that's sometimes you do just need a change to kind of switch things up mentality wise scheme wise because I'm fresh in there and I expect especially if the buck and years lose this game on Sunday definitively they will probably go the new
22:49
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think there's some roster problems as well with talent there and that's something that, you know, could be a bigger problem of top.
22:56
[SPEAKER_01]: It's everything.
22:57
[SPEAKER_01]: It really is everything guys.
22:58
[SPEAKER_01]: It's from the ground up coaching, you know, roster staff, all that.
23:03
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a problem that runs pretty deep in the organization right now.
23:07
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that there's going to be some change.
23:09
[SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be very wide sweeping change all across the board time for kind of a reset.
23:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I think and we'll see what happens just off season.
23:18
[SPEAKER_01]: But to that point, that includes the coaching staff.
23:21
[SPEAKER_01]: So hard to disagree with Gerald and Rob there.
23:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Gerald and Rob both both of the team disorganization.
23:30
[SPEAKER_00]: That's probably why they weren't as harsh on things.
23:33
[SPEAKER_00]: It's because he really cared about it.
23:37
[SPEAKER_00]: to roll, Gerald, not, I mean, he had to keep, he would have retired like a year or two or a year before that will happen.
23:44
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's, you could see how it's hurting them to watching what is kind of transpired at this point.
23:52
[SPEAKER_00]: So I agree with them.
23:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I think everything other saying is warranted.
23:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, like River said, I feel like if things continue to go south like they are and you're pretty much In a scenario where you're playing out the year with the with the head coach that you know is going to be gone, which is similar to what Florida States doing with Mike Morvelle and you're going to start that that search because the glasers aren't going to fire him in season.
24:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And I do really to River as well.
24:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, top the bottom, right?
24:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything flows from the top Jason like decided to hitch his wagon to top bowls.
24:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is kind of how things have transpired though the draft picks haven't been great.
24:26
[SPEAKER_00]: clearly the offseason acquisitions haven't been great.
24:28
[SPEAKER_00]: There have been a lot of problems right yeah, every once in a while you're going to hit on one of these guys and it seems that way with Ted Hers potentially and maybe Ruben Bank, but we haven't seen enough to decide a trotters look pretty good at his time too, but
24:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Of all things, it's just not been good in Tampa and it's just been a slow steady decline ultimately since those super since the Super Bowl days, right?
24:51
[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got to change something and the culture seems still everything seems like we're just going about our jobs instead of, you know, going out there to want to Super Bowl, right?
25:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So.
25:03
[SPEAKER_00]: things got to change.
25:04
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to have a mindset.
25:05
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to have goals that are viable.
25:08
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to have a coach that is willing to push you to reach those goals.
25:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure Todd Bowles is at that point in his career where he's really digging into his players to be able to push them to see that.
25:18
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to come down to that right.
25:21
[SPEAKER_00]: So if things keep going that way, I think you really seriously got to look at the whole operation, not just who's leading the team as the head coach on the sidelines.
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26:36
[SPEAKER_02]: doing us three and also two if you have any questions topics please still in the chat we're going to try to get to as many as we can before these show ends alright let's get over to some injury updates river you were on hand yesterday we are going to be hand on hand later on this morning or we'll get some more definitive news from bowls what stood out to you of some players being out there i know godwin was back out which was a good sign
27:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah there's 14 players in the injury report.
27:10
[SPEAKER_01]: The books have kind of done this I think though throughout the years and the tables they tend to kind of sack the injury report with a bunch of people.
27:18
[SPEAKER_01]: See how many you can get.
27:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Even if some of them are fine, they're just like I've put them all on there.
27:23
[SPEAKER_01]: So, might look bad.
27:26
[SPEAKER_01]: But we've got our tally here.
27:29
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got a looks to be five players limited.
27:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Six players limited on Thursday.
27:36
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got three that returned to full.
27:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got quite a few didn't notice his debates.
27:40
[SPEAKER_01]: One of those you mentioned Logan is Jacob Parish.
27:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Hope Jacob Parish is doing all right.
27:45
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a personal matter.
27:46
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been away from the team for two days.
27:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I will see if he returns today on Friday.
27:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Other did not participate so far.
27:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Roofing Bane still not quite participating from his growing in shoulder injury.
27:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd imagine it's probably going to get tough as from there to come back on Sunday.
28:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Servassier Dennis at a personal matter yesterday.
28:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, hopefully he will come back on Friday as well.
28:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, we've got as well co-keeps dealing with an elbow injury.
28:14
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been an participant in the last few days.
28:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Bigger may feel, obviously, not on injured reserve.
28:20
[SPEAKER_01]: So he will be on the injury report until he is on the hour.
28:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, obviously, it did not participate.
28:25
[SPEAKER_01]: It was right thumb.
28:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then, of course, take a pair.
28:28
[SPEAKER_01]: So we talked about being personal.
28:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody else limited in some capacity, uh, some things to watch here.
28:35
[SPEAKER_01]: we've got a Benjamin Morrison quad injury that he didn't have on Wednesday, then did have on Thursday.
28:42
[SPEAKER_01]: There we go.
28:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Was limited.
28:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So if he's not practicing today, that would be something to watch.
28:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I just wonder if you just get a scratch on you.
28:55
[SPEAKER_02]: You get put on the injury or poor in Tampa Bay.
28:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm being serious, like yeah, it's to a player and you get a small bruise or you just tell the trainer that ah, man.
29:06
[SPEAKER_02]: my big room.
29:07
[SPEAKER_02]: It's feeling great.
29:08
[SPEAKER_01]: A good instance here is that Devante Cape part has a thumb injury.
29:13
[SPEAKER_01]: He was added to the injury report on Thursday, but he was a full participant.
29:18
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know how that works, particularly.
29:22
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm going to start adding myself to the, to the, I'm super important when you're playing interior.
29:28
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's stuff like that to note as well.
29:31
[SPEAKER_01]: The 800 avids and always has a rest day on Thursday.
29:35
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's not anything crazy.
29:37
[SPEAKER_01]: That's part of the course for him.
29:39
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that those are kind of some guys to watch for sure.
29:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we'll see you.
29:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Good.
29:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Manchin.
29:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Josiah Trotter, full.
29:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Chris Godwin, full.
29:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the Abby went from numbers to limited it yesterday.
29:53
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked to Todd Bowles on.
29:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Wednesday, and he said that he thinks I will probably just go.
29:58
[SPEAKER_01]: So expecting to be either limited or full today.
30:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he was like running, I noticed and he was working with a trainer off to the side, and that's times where we can't take video for you.
30:09
[SPEAKER_02]: So all we can do is just kind of tweet him pretty gingerly on his very gingerly wrapped, which is wrapped up.
30:15
[SPEAKER_02]: And we thought originally it was the shoulder because that's what he went down with in the game and we wouldn't see him running at practice if that was the case, but so I was like, oh, maybe that's lower body and sure enough, it seems to be a calf thing.
30:26
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it would be good to have him out there.
30:30
[SPEAKER_02]: If not, you would be without two of your starting outside linebackers coming off the edge and but you would see more I guess.
30:36
[SPEAKER_02]: So what rock ground cows he said, your best pass rusher, or maybe that was Droma Koi your best pass rusher in David Walker.
30:43
[SPEAKER_02]: So you get more in which Todd Bowles did say,
30:45
[SPEAKER_02]: indeed is going to see more playing time, which I think is much deserve guys.
30:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I really don't.
30:51
[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to end up being like five more snaps when you're talking.
30:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, he's been doing more snaps.
30:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, here's five.
30:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, it's not going to be.
31:00
[SPEAKER_00]: drastic as you would hope.
31:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I revolve in calling for it more than walker more than walker more than walker, but I think that knock on walker has been his playing the run game, but he made an excellent play in the run.
31:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was past game where he was able to shed that we he got into the block early and then was able to shed him and bounce outside and got attacked for loss.
31:21
[SPEAKER_00]: So whatever it shouldn't worry that much, right?
31:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, if you're looking at this game in
31:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Green Bay has no running back so they could desperately need somebody like Josh Jacobs, but unfortunately for them.
31:37
[SPEAKER_00]: That is not probably going to be the case for them for him to be available for the man I can point this year considering everything that he's dealing with.
31:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a good game.
31:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Get a more snaps.
31:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's going to be very minuscule a bump in my opinion just because that's toddlers and how he likes to run things.
31:55
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it's going to be awesome.
31:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited to see him on the inside.
31:58
[SPEAKER_00]: He's had a sack in every game that he's had defensive snaps.
32:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And so let's just hope that continues.
32:03
[SPEAKER_02]: absolutely.
32:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go to some comments real quick before we get into some price picks.
32:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Jabber jaw, love the name there.
32:11
[SPEAKER_02]: If the bugs go out and six, we must tank the season for the NFL draft.
32:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm already seeing you talking to the tank.
32:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you might play football and not all stuff.
32:20
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a drunken play and there's just might not be a good football team.
32:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you might not even have to try, but
32:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm already seeing their early projections.
32:29
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we were talking about it after the last, this last weekend to the Vikings that the bucks were at the very top of the NFL draft order.
32:39
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very, very early.
32:40
[SPEAKER_02]: We all know that in such when the time comes, and we can discuss further on that, but it is going to be an interest conversation because this is a short,
32:49
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... mount a time before the bucks after this game on sunday they only have a just really a couple days before they fly off to Dallas and they're going to jerry's world where they lost that game to a backup quarterback super rush that only any backup quarterback who tried to rush the super rush and he could for us and we in a soon i mean a soon after that and they don't look like there is bad it's been should we thought now that michael panics is in there so yeah
33:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, so we might be getting those to those discussions and play and I know those are fun ones to do, but of course you want the season do better.
33:22
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's just you would have a new coaching staff guys.
33:26
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
33:26
[SPEAKER_01]: That's well, we'll talk about this because we haven't brought it up yet on four the books are loose.
33:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, one team and NFL history has made the playoffs off of a no-one four star that was a 92 Chargers so basically it's nine possible to be able to claw your way back from that So this is the game of the books if they want to make the fly again playoffs, you know, I understand that they want to make the playoffs Hey, they're only one game back of the only one game back in the division lead, which that just happened in night.
34:01
[SPEAKER_00]: That was wild
34:02
[SPEAKER_01]: That was wild.
34:04
[SPEAKER_01]: There's always that.
34:05
[SPEAKER_01]: But yes, statistically, and using historical precedent, you can't start going far.
34:11
[SPEAKER_01]: So the bucks will turn to the UDFA rookie quarterback with potentially, there's season the line here on some of that.
34:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm coming here from the DJ saying everything is and has been the same.
34:25
[SPEAKER_02]: The offense is off because Baker is not a good quarterback.
34:29
[SPEAKER_02]: When in how Mike left to kill the morale, Baker has zero chemistry with anyone or a senior, only con and he's mid himself.
34:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I will bring this up and not address some of those things in this message.
34:49
[SPEAKER_01]: plays the cat on.
34:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I understand they paid him $10 million a year.
34:55
[SPEAKER_01]: as well.
34:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's never been a dominant, you know, he's had stretches where we're serious of an out and he's going to take the load, but I don't think he is a game record at Titan and ever has been and man, it seems like so many of these plays on offense are skiing with him in mind, which is one of the more interesting developments for me because previous two the game against the Vikings didn't run a lot of heavy personnel and they started and even then
35:22
[SPEAKER_01]: at halftime against the Vikings, oughtn't lead the team in targets.
35:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so they really love scheming the football to try and get it into Kate Ottons' hands.
35:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know how effective of a strategy that necessarily is.
35:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
35:41
[SPEAKER_02]: There's another one here.
35:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's another comment here from Sammy saying how much do you expect Jalen to use his legs and run this week a lot Correct.
35:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to have to Yeah, like I mentioned earlier Green Bay defense is kind of A firm style almost They wow a lot of rushing yards.
36:06
[SPEAKER_00]: They allow a lot of passing yards show
36:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, get the ground game going.
36:10
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to open up the pass and then it provides you a great opportunity to go and win the game design runs will probably be pretty big in that sort of backdrop.
36:19
[SPEAKER_00]: That's sort of.
36:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
36:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they are giving up 138.7 rushing yards per game.
36:26
[SPEAKER_01]: That is 28th in the NFL.
36:28
[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, they give up quite a few rushing yards.
36:31
[SPEAKER_01]: teams also run against them at a top three rate in the NFL, so yeah, that happens quite a bit to great, like I said, it's a great bounce back opportunity because it is, I'm not super enthused or I don't, I'm not, you know, super like, you know,
36:49
[SPEAKER_01]: uh, what sort of optimistic about jail and start, but if there's any defense to pretend to do some work against, it is just, and just, and just to build off that, I think river you have mentioned earlier that, you know, we need to temper expectations.
37:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a great thing that,
37:06
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, Daniels is coming to this game because there are no expectations with him.
37:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we have not seen what this offense would look like with him at quarterback.
37:13
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can go into this one and extremely open-minded as a fan of somebody who would be a power team or whatever it be and be like, okay, well, if he has a great game,
37:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, now I have a little bit more excitement and obviously moving forward with how this team's going to look while bakers out.
37:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And then if he performs badly, you can just be like, okay, well, that's just, you know, an undrafted rookie and his first NFL star, you'll see what he looks like next week and you can move on from there.
37:40
[SPEAKER_00]: So this week is just kind of like a litmus test, I guess.
37:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you can gauge the temperature, not to, I mean,
37:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess pun intended from.
37:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we have to be happy to be there.
37:51
[SPEAKER_01]: The difference has not been wrong.
37:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we got to go to that quote.
37:57
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a great quote.
37:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me read that because I wanted to bring that up here early, but I forgot too.
38:01
[SPEAKER_02]: But this was the quote that went viral.
38:04
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was asked from our, the question was asked from our friend, our good friend, rock, Riley.
38:10
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is what he said about just the vibe coming into this game and what he needs to bring in our GYs.
38:17
[SPEAKER_02]: He said, you can't be the thermometer, you have to be the thermostat.
38:20
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to be someone who comes in and is able to set the temperature of the room, not test the room and try to be able to blend in with it.
38:27
[SPEAKER_02]: If the teams low have to be able to pick it up to be able to make sure that they're even, and if we're high, then I have to be able to be low to make sure that we're even.
38:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I try to be as even Kiel as possible, and I think being able to go out there and have that even Kiel'd feel the team around you feels that.
38:45
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that, quote, yes, it went viral because it feels like a James quote and all that kind of stuff, but
38:52
[SPEAKER_02]: the experience from Jalen Daniels he has been in a locker.
38:55
[SPEAKER_02]: He has led Kansas.
38:57
[SPEAKER_02]: He has been around a lot of players.
38:59
[SPEAKER_02]: He knows how guys work and yes, this is going into the league.
39:02
[SPEAKER_02]: But a lot of these guys aren't far away from his age and, you know, experience of playing like.
39:08
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good thing.
39:09
[SPEAKER_02]: This is still some younger players on this team.
39:11
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not like he's just jumping in out of nowhere and not having a whole ton of playing experience and understanding guys in their personalities.
39:20
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's to me this was, yeah, funny, but also two just a guy that has played a ton of football at the collegiate level and feels pretty comfortable at where he's at and understands what his role is right now to try to lead the locker room while Baker recovers.
39:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it was fun.
39:40
[SPEAKER_02]: It was fun, yeah, because River you asked me in a locker and like, right after you're like, wait, what did he just say?
39:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Cause I did not get it either.
39:47
[SPEAKER_00]: What was the second?
39:48
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of the people I didn't understand in the first, but he explained it later on.
39:52
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just what the clip everybody got for social media was.
39:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:56
[SPEAKER_00]: But what I don't know what this means, but I love it.
39:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was so on support, but he explained himself and everything.
40:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's, again, going back to where I was saying before, you read that quote from him,
40:07
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's just kind of going to gauge like where we at what's he going to look like, and then we'll move forward from there could be really good could be horrific.
40:15
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't really know.
40:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I expected to be probably somewhere between maybe a little bit more towards the better side, given green based defense, but yeah, I'm excited to see him excited to see what the team looks like with him at a QB.
40:27
[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't mind, I'd like to throw out a few more stats here because the screen bay defense as I'm reading is astonishing.
40:34
[SPEAKER_01]: So they give up 30.3 points for game.
40:37
[SPEAKER_01]: That's 29th.
40:38
[SPEAKER_01]: They give up.
40:43
[SPEAKER_01]: third-down conversions, 50% of third-downs against Green Bay have been converted, which is 29th and this is unbelievable.
40:52
[SPEAKER_01]: If you get in the red zone against Green Bay, they have given up a 3.3% of their red zone touchdown.
40:57
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's 30th.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those rushing yards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One and a half field goals, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This game is at 1 o'clock on Fox and Raymond James stadium the current spread right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's around 3 and a half to 4.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Getting with the Green Bay Packers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The total is around, let 39 and a half to 40 and a half.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just looking at some odds makers, I believe, price fix, I didn't look at theirs, but they have theirs on there that you guys could go check out, as we know the bucks are O and 3, O and 2 at home, the packers have had a rough start to the season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They are one and two.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're only when is against the jets and over time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then they lost the Vikings 39 to 22 and then we know the routing that the Falcons put on them on Thursday night football 35 to 14.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was like, oh, Packers might not be that good this year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yes, both teams are O and three against the spread as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The last meeting for the
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the box didn't win 34 to 20, but that was up there at their house, the packers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was on December 17, 2023.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll head into you guys, Caleb, what stands out, of course, to you in this game, the most and river, can finish us off before we go in our bold predictions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think we've spoken heavily on it.
46:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a very susceptible defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the buck in here is going to be able to take advantage of that on all fences
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[SPEAKER_00]: players in good positions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It should be that big of a problem defense is where you're going to have to buck with down a little bit, especially if you're down more than a few players, it's going to seem like so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, that's kind of what it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think all the intentions going to be on Jaylon Dane was obviously, but I think the brilliant game is going to be huge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The buck and ears could easily go for like 150 plus in this game.
46:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so that's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just being able to exploit this defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're unable to exploit the Green Bay Packers defense, you've got some serious issues that are much bigger than what we currently see on the outs on the outside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, that's kind of one of paying attention to it.
47:13
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to be an exciting game by any means.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, it's apparently the thing it's going to be low scoring, which is interesting, um, given the defense, uh, low-sized really, but we got the stopable force in the moveable object.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's the offensive data.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And see that there would be just absolutely smack that that over.
47:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, it's, I don't know, it.
47:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's not like a whole lot to look for, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're at your own three.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just want to win however dirty hour ugly.
47:47
[SPEAKER_00]: It might be you just get a win.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm hopeful that this offense finally is able to show any semblance of what an offense should actually look like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some effectiveness, some efficiency.
47:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And if that's the case, then then I would love it to care the ball and you should win this game.
48:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I've really got to be aware of Matt with Thursday's passing game concepts because they don't run the ball at all in fact so far the last three games they have passed the ball 73.3% of the time that's insane but they just don't really have the wherewithal to run the football so they choose not to do it entirely and as a result.
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[SPEAKER_01]: really got to be up on your piece and cues when it comes to this passing game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A Jordan love can drop in the bucket.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely a good quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got some threats with Christian Watson out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They haven't been throwing down the field very often.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's something to note as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But defense and coverage has to be stopped.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If there's no pass rush, then you're going to get eaten out probably.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the key to everything, obviously, but it's going to be a big key here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and get pressure on the web is going to be big, getting it off that back foot, which sometimes he does drop some diamonds doing that, but he gets himself in the trouble.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The key word is sometimes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes he gets himself in the trouble too, so it'll be key, getting pressure on him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the secondary will be fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see Paris be the third, we'll play, but if not, you're probably going to insert Kevin Nose, which you know, had thrown head and mistake last week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I write it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like where they're positioned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, more Sean Lloyd, Kate Johnson, Chris Brooks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think is another running back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, not a whole lot going on in their back field and you just you're dealing with I mean they had Jane reads out with that that neck injury that he suffered at wider seaver.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so it's Christian Watson and Matthew Bowen and then Skymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, is who they will be running at wider seaver.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he really pay attention to two guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Matthew Bowen can kind of burn you in Christian Watson, obviously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They buy you type wide receiver, but depending on how he's feeling, we'll see, you know, his
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see how it goes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the bucketiers are well positioned to come out with a big three, but both teams are limping into this one looking for something to kind of shift the tides and bring some confidence into them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, speaking of limping, this offensive line for the packers are being the hell up dude.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And what they brought in three free agents this last night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They brought in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's Jagger button.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kevin Zyler Lake and Tom Watson and the guy back then so they're they're pretty big against offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're not able to get pressure there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Way to go.
50:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I just can't see still here.
50:41
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to do that a lot for a lot of our four state previews like are you is this person still here type of deal like come on man.
50:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it seems like Vita Vaya took a couple games which you hate because.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you get very pissed off about it that it took a couple of games because obviously he wasn't participating in any of training camp due to the contract stuff but dude you just woke up and now how I took you three games to get going that irritates the hell out of you but going into this game specifically you would love for Vita Veda to take full advantage of that interior offensive line that is banged up.
51:14
[SPEAKER_02]: for the Green Bay Packers to get in there with if Collyja can't see two wants to make some noise that would help but you would think that interior release should be able to do some things and pack this game heavily.
51:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Guys let's do some bold predictions because we do have practice in almost an hour that we got to get over to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, less than an hour actually.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's do some both predictions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we'll do a score prediction with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll go first actually.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why not?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, bold prediction.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am going to ride.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is going to be.
51:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God.
51:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I'm going to switch it up from what I had earlier, but I am.
51:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, goodness.
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[SPEAKER_02]: no interceptions from Jalen Daniels in this game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is a bold prediction.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And guys, our listeners, we were three for three practically last week on our bold predictions.
52:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Ripper had to head to hers, touched down that banged.
52:15
[SPEAKER_02]: KLAB said a bounce back game from Alexander Loney that ended up.
52:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I said specifically, he would lead the team in tackles and get a tackle for loss.
52:22
[SPEAKER_00]: He was tied for the team lead in tackles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and have a tackle for us, so I'll say that.
52:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah exactly.
52:29
[SPEAKER_02]: And what the heck did I have?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I forget what I had.
52:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, it hit.
52:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Guys, I know what hit though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's just go and say, it definitely hit.
52:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll think on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yes, I've got that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No interceptions for Jalen Daniels.
52:43
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll remember in a second.
52:45
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a late night, Steelers football last night.
52:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And then David Walker, right?
52:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Another check wasn't it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it was David Walker.
52:52
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to go bucks.
52:59
[SPEAKER_02]: My goodness.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my goodness.
53:03
[SPEAKER_02]: This is such a hard game.
53:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes, I don't really have the intro report to.
53:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
53:08
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just don't know if that.
53:10
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you'll get ParrishVac because it's personal stuff that you play in this game.
53:15
[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't, and then also, Bima has a quad, then we're looking at Sean Murphy bunting territory.
53:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there we go.
53:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I got it.
53:30
[SPEAKER_02]: I so badly I'm like maybe was Caleb earlier gave me some optimism out this game and such, but I I still think it's gonna be tough.
53:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I do have the Packers wearing this 23 to 21 So very close end up being a close one, but yeah, the bucks fall short and go on for Caleb.
53:49
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you have?
53:50
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you got?
53:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go to the book and he has half over two hundred yards of rushing to hold on.
53:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Lee.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
53:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Kenny Game will also get more and he's going to get going.
54:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Buckyburn is going to be heavily involved in the new add in the third piece with Jayle and Daniels and it's just going to be a recipe for a lot of rushing yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Matt even sees Sean Tucker right there and gets out of big one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's an explosive running back and in and of himself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I think you pound the rock all day until they can show that they can stop it and then you can let the ball throw and fly it down here.
54:25
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my ball prediction and then for my score prediction.
54:29
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very similar to yours, but I'm going to flip flop it 24 to 20 Tampa Bay.
54:35
[SPEAKER_01]: There we go.
54:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that would be such a fun instant reaction.
54:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't lie.
54:39
[SPEAKER_02]: That would be fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would like that.
54:41
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54:46
[SPEAKER_02]: say on for the four o'clock games that you have a couple, but just make a light no IPA's have you got to make what you got where do you have
54:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Chase McGlaw and kicks three field goals.
54:59
[SPEAKER_01]: That's my goal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he accounts for nine points.
55:03
[SPEAKER_01]: He accounts for nine points.
55:05
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a minus 300 build prediction there.
55:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
55:09
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to get them right.
55:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, fine, fine.
55:11
[SPEAKER_01]: He kicks four.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there he goes.
55:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, we're talking points.
55:14
[SPEAKER_01]: There we go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hold enough for you guys.
55:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that works.
55:18
[SPEAKER_02]: That's bold enough for you.
55:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's bold.
55:20
[SPEAKER_02]: That's bold.
55:20
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll go with that four field goals.
55:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll count for that in my,
55:25
[SPEAKER_01]: score prediction.
55:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the box will probably have some hard times getting into the end zone.
55:29
[SPEAKER_01]: They've already had some reds and shortballs this so far this year.
55:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Chase has been money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's entire year.
55:34
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think if he's in position to drill him, he will.
55:38
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the packers are going to win this one 26 19.
55:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the bucking I get a touchdown on top of those four field goals, accounting for 12 points, which is all on.
55:48
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's going to be a touchdown, Jalen Daniels is going to hit.
55:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say CG Chris Godwin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: CG in the end zone for touchdown.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's not part of my whole prediction that that's just you know that just so we're just messing around at this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But just having to make sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Better and wide receiver the rookie leaves in the vet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: See you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that would certainly help.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's going to do it for this show previewing this game time of Jalen Daniels debut We will have an instant reaction right afterward And that's all I always tell you guys hit that subscribe button.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll speak with also to Jalen Daniels.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see who's out there practicing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The cannons right here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Time to get it.
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