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Ian Knowles | The Christian Reeve Podcast | #46 | · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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Hello and welcome to another episode of Christian read
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podcast. Today's guest is a mystery and
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Knowles. He is the author of The Noir
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crime, Thriller audiobook, neon shadows, and Noir tail.
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And he's from all the way in the USA, from Cleveland Ohio.
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Hello, and welcome to the podcast.
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How you doing? It's going to be here.
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Yeah so it's an audio drama just so you know what do drama sorry?
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Yeah, he's awesome. Awesome awesome.
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Well what served as your sources of inspiration for this audio
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Audio Drama? Well, I really like that Noir
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genre. And I feel like it's not heavily
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represented in podcasting, especially podcasting, even
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though it's been around for a while.
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All relatively new medium in terms of how the whole world as
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a whole perceives it. So I just wanted to make sure
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that Noir was brought into this generation and make sure that
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there's a couple staples, you know, available, if people want
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that kind of that kind of style that kind of genre.
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So that is definitely a driving force in kind of like picking
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that medium in that style. Bullshit bullshit and is there
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any in particular sources that you draw inspiration from be it?
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Movies or other audio, dramas order books to exist or anything
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like that or perhaps books even? Yeah so I guess a lot goes into
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some. Some of the inspiration isn't
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even necessarily Noir but it's like like the old Bond films.
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Have always been a huge fan of those.
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So the whole the Sean Connery bombed era.
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He's very inspirational. What's also inspirational is The
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old shows like Maltese Falcon Dick Tracy.
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And then there's also movies that especially in, like the 60s
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and 70s era, like Chinatown movies like that with Jack
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Nicholson that really, that really sells the concept for me
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and then for a more recent reference Sin City, it's Loosely
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Noir, compared to maybe the In on stuff, but it's got a unique
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art style and it still has that heavy inner monologue, you know,
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character narration that, you know, the dark rainy, Alleyways,
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and the violent. Seedy underbelly of a city.
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Kind of vibe. It's a little more gritty and I
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suppose more modernistic, isn't it?
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Like, what do you tend to prefer?
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Do you like the more modern style?
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Would you like to sort of Cloudy?
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Classic sort of 40s 50s. Sorry on 40s, 30s style.
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I think they're both important. Important and I think that what
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I tried to do in my show is bring both to the table, you
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know, take the strengths from both of them you know been a
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writer for a while but I don't have a lot of published work out
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there but I am really good at identifying like patterns and
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tropes. So I want to take the positive
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tropes and you know kick out the negatives.
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Okay, I get that, I get that and talk to us a little bit through
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the story if you can, like what can we kind of expect from this
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Audio Drama. So the main character's name is
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Frank Dixon. He's a private investigator.
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He tries to avoid close physical like close emotional ties with
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people. Some of the characters you could
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tell. He's been close to them for a
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while so they kind of chink away at his armor.
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And there's some social Dynamic there.
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And then there's also a case that he normally doesn't work
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any kind of murder cases, because he leaves that, you
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know, the police typically handle those buddy.
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Got a special request to look into it because he didn't,
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because his client didn't feel that the police could handle it.
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So, He's looking into a murder and it as the evidence piles up,
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it gets, stranger and stranger and harder to find.
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So most of that first season is in anticipation of getting a
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break in the case clever. Yes.
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It kind of makes you fully anticipate season season 2, then
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us. Yeah, that's a good one.
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And also, one question I wanted to ask you right off the bat
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because obviously we've audio dramas podcasts in general, you
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know it Is tricky to figure out, you know, how long it should be.
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Some people say shorter. Some people say longer is
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better. I suppose it really depends on
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the medium and what you're trying to achieve.
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And also whether or not you, you know, structure things as far as
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like segments or anything obviously is a bit different if
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you're doing the story. But, you know, it's a fair thing
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to sort of consider how did it or how did you decide on the
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right amount of time because every episode of your audio,
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drummers roughly 20 minutes over a row, Rhonda, how did you how
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did you decide on that number? So when I made the pilot it's
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like 15 and a half minutes or so and I was telling myself you
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know everybody's got 15 minutes. You know 15 minutes is not
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asking for much of your time. It's just a little bit longer
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than the average YouTube video. Nowadays maybe even less with
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vlogging being what it is. So you know 15 minutes isn't a
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lot to ask and it's even probably less when you take out
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the intro and outro it's probably you. 12 13 minutes.
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So it's kind of like a selling point for, like, I felt like
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everybody had that amount of time to give it a shot.
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They do get a little bit longer, like they average about 20
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minutes in the first season. And I chose that because I felt
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smaller sizes were more digestible.
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And personally, when I listen to podcasts, I don't listen to
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podcasts that are over an hour, typically And so I try to keep
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mine in a risk in what I consider like a respectable
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space. Especially for, like, cutting my
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teeth on this whole Audio Drama concept because this is my first
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finished product when it comes to like writing, essentially, an
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audio screenplay. Congratulations on.
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Do you think it's gonna stay the same in this in the second
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season as far as that's concerned?
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I'm now it's going to be a little bit longer.
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So we're going to look at it's going to be closer to the
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30-minute mark on most episodes. We have a couple episodes that
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are in between 20 and 30 and then we're also going to have
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one that's a lot longer the finale, which I'm finishing up
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writing right now. Excellent.
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Excellent. And in terms of the time scale
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of this when can listeners expect to hear that yeah,
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hesitate to give an exact date. Don't want to make any false
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promises because it is quite a production.
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But You know, I think it'd be fair to say and a January
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beginning of February. Okay.
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So not too far then. Yes.
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And I look forward to in the New Year.
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Awesome. Awesome.
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And how long does it roughly take you to put together an
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episode generally speaking well so there's the writing concept.
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So like that were, you know, while a season is airing I'm
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writing the outline for the next season and then essentially
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after I can sort through the how I want the story to pan out in
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terms of major conflict points and and then I just kind of like
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letter right itself in between but yes, actually the writing
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portion takes a couple months and then the recording portion
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As long as everybody's got the time and we're on top of it.
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Me and my voice actors, it takes about, you know, like probably
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like a week or two of them actively because they've been
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practicing and then when it's time to, you know, show up and
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record especially because we all record remotely with their own
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home Studios. Now that part's not very time
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intensive. It's more, like most of the time
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is in preparation and then building the skill to be even
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better than they were last. ISM, most of the time is sucked
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up in Sound Engineering. It's the it takes over an hour
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probably per minute produced. So until you're actually a
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professional sound engineer as a sort of a profession.
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If I'm understanding correctly. Is that right?
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No, but I wouldn't call myself a professional, but he'd been
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modest. But I do have like, a 9 to 5 job
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but I do but I also So help other people with their videos
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and podcasts also edit their writing and then all that's
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pretty much just for fun just to get better at what I do.
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And but I do all the Sound Engineering for neon Shadows.
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Awesome, awesome, awesome. And do you intend to create
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other audio books, you know maybe in different styles or
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genres in the future Yeah. Actually.
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We are currently in the me and one of my voice actors were
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currently beginning to kind of formulate a world where we're
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going to do kind of like a cyberpunk kind of thing.
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It's going to be, it might still be in the Noir genre, they will
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definitely be in a much more, extravagant scientific setting.
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And, you know, futuristic We're thinking, you know, like a mega
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City on a space station, you know, kind of thing and with
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lots of different alien races and lots of really cool out
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there but things like weapons and kind of like also, the
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concept of what's crime out there, you know, where, you
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know, there's all these different races with all these
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different concepts of morality and how that race is always
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lived. And, you know, it's just,
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there's Just thousands of options.
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So it is an exciting thought emotion.
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And what would you say your main goals and aspirations are as an
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author? I want to make you feel like
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these characters are real and true to their world that they
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live in. So I don't want you to feel like
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they're in this world. I want you to feel like you're
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in theirs and their, reacted, their reactions, their emotions.
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The politics between the characters.
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I wanted to seem realistic and its own space and I want, you
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know, I want to help you escape and have an immersion - you
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know, like I just have like, a complete immersion in the show
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and I have to break that to that. 20 minutes is a, yeah, I
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just want to go back to that point, which I think is a really
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good idea that it's around, that, that kind of 20-minute
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mark, because one of my previous guest actually is doing an audio
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drama as well. And he sort of decided on that
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20 minute marker. I think it's as a kind of
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General experience, it is a lot easier to digest.
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I think it really depends, you know, that sometimes when I look
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at my podcast, like some of my episodes, you know, I only like
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half an hour. Some of them are two hours,
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three hours, one hour like it really depends.
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And I often look at that. Like I try to think about when
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people are most likely going to listen to.
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It's one of the reasons why I started clipping up my episodes
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for YouTube as well because I figured like, you know, not
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everyone's got the time for this.
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Yeah. And it's different audiences as
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well. There's Audience for people, you
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know, that my listen for example, to look a fool Joe
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Rogan episode. And then there's people that
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might just want to hear Clips or something small.
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So you really got to think about your audience when you're doing
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these things. And I think it's a good example
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because I would say, Joe Rogan has some really interesting
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guests and it creates some really interesting
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conversations, but I don't want to listen to the whole three
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hour show, I just want that. I just want that, you know, four
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and a half minutes of good conversation and then when He
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goes off on conspiracy, theories and whatever else, you know that
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is not related to my interest, then I don't have to listen to
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the rest of it. It's funny as well.
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How many mediums this actually can apply to?
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Because I was watching a bit of box in last night and I caught
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the highlights, not the full fights, right?
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And I was thinking the same thing.
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I was like, it's just way better to watch the highlights.
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Why on Earth would you watch the full fight?
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When you can just watch the best bits?
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I just just all the good bits. None of the crap bits.
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None of the boring talking or anything.
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I mean that's don't get me wrong.
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Obviously, those people that are into that and I get that but,
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you know, maybe it's just the best.
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Yeah, that's not me. That's what I prefer even when I
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was into MMA, I really just wanted to see, you know, the
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highlights of a match. Yeah, I think like, particularly
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with some sports, it can be very thankless.
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I remember going to see baseball for the first and only time
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years ago in In California. And I remember being blown away
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by just how long the whole process is and I've never won
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one experience, this it some someone told me it can go as
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long as eight hours in some cases extreme cases, but often
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it's around five hours and people will come in.
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So, I saw people coming in, like, three hours in who haven't
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been there, the whole game, and they just drop in.
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And it's a community thing, like everyone's kind of just there.
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Like, oh yeah, I'll be here for half an hour.
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I'll go, and I'm like, what is this madness?
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Yeah, yeah. Baseball is a weird one when it
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comes to time, that's for sure Jesus.
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What move it on and you are the host of your own podcast known
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as the anecdote podcast, how and why did you get into podcasting?
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And tell us a little bit about this podcast.
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So that podcast it's it's not currently running, it was kind
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of made to be like a Like a multi Avenue Network.
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In a way, we had a core talk show which has been discontinued
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just because, you know, people grow out of it because we were
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doing it for a for a couple of years.
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So we're all workers and that was more of a talk show, but it
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wasn't very well, produced is the first one I've ever put out
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so don't worry is that's a good rum.
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Well yeah and So moving forward with that, we wanted to create
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other avenues of things to kind of like touch on.
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Because I mean, the base is around the anecdote podcast was
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that, you know, it's based off an anecdote.
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So what's relevant to your life? You know what's?
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So there's a talk show and then there's also with a separate
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host, we kind of did like finance and socioeconomics so
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What affects your life? How does it affect your life?
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And how can we help? So, we basically and those
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videos are still up on YouTube. Basically, we show people the
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basics of Finance, the basics of investing, kind of like the
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hocus-pocus of investing to avoid completely things that are
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basically there. If you hear about it and your
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grandma's Tony about it, don't invest in it.
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It's not working, you know, it's already hit its, you know, its
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peak but yeah, so things like that.
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Things like buying a house buying a car.
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You know, if you're buying a car, do you go used or new and
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why? And then which brands are rated
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best over the last, you know, decade and which ones are you
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going to have the best balance between Um, you know, cost
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average cost of repairs per year versus what it costs to buy the
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car and how much it'll be worth with, you know, the diminishing
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worth of the car and how much a d values as soon as you drive it
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off, the lot, it cetera. So, yeah, we just wanted to make
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something basically, it's a compendium of things that school
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should have tell you, but they don't, especially here in the
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states. Oh, they just the same in the
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UK. I often look at my school days.
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Like, what was the point? You know?
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Like I never learned about, you know, taxes or banking or
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anything useful? It was Pythagoras Theorem.
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Yeah. Anyway, and it also says here
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that you were a host or are a post host of a true-crime
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podcast and as the fief podcast, you still Hostess.
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So that's actually in like Pre-production.
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So, basically everything you see out right now is just kind of a
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teaser. We're building the brand, I
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designed the logo and we came up with the concept and put the
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name out there, so that it's ours.
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I can't believe nobody's taking the thief, it's one word.
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But uh, but yeah. So basically what that's going
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to be is we're basically waiting on some technical things too.
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He figured out, but that is going to be about kind of like
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heists throughout history and will not only talk about Heist
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that really happened, but also about like anything else that
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pertains to that. So like maybe a legend or some
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type of Mythology that has to do with thievery, or heisting, just
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to mix it up, you know, just kind of give you a little bit of
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everything but it's essentially it'll be essentially like 90%
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True Crime with like, a little bit of, maybe speculation or
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Mythos. Awesome.
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Awesome. And when do you reckon people
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can expect to see the First episodes of that, or first one
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should be in a month earlier. So I'm expecting within the
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month of December also 20, okay. So going to be a busy busy man
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for the next couple of months. Yeah, what do you think it is
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about True Crime, that makes it so popular because it is very
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particularly popular right. Now, as far as podcasting is
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concerned, you know, and documentaries and everything.
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I mean, Can obviously, I have my understanding of it.
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You know, I can see why it's popular.
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But in your opinion, why do you think it's so popular?
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What is it about True Crime? That just gets people
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fascinated? Well, I think that there's
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multiple things there that people love of mystery which is
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part of the drive between behind making me on Shadows.
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It's you know, it's a mystery wrapped in a mystery and also I
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think people like to follow crimes along and try to solve
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them as they Ago. I think that's why a lot of
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people like procedural cop. Dramas.
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They like to kind of work with these detectives first hand,
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and, you know, suss out who they think is the killer, you know
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what, their motivations were. And then I also think that
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because a lot of these crimes could happen to you or be your
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neighbor, you know, like a lot of these people.
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A lot of these True Crime events are.
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It could be somebody's, like, one bad.
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Day that separates them from someone else.
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So I think all that kind of plays into it.
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Yeah. Like for some reason it kind of
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reminds me of this Among Us game that's currently out of the
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moment like it's it was the game as made obviously two years ago
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but it's recently become very popular and I look at the
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getting. I've played it myself.
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It's clearly a lot of fun. But I think the reason why it's
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so popular is kind of the same reason that things like True
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Crime. Abso popular's.
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Like you say that problem solving element obviously with
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Among Us, there's the added kind of thing of, you know, how
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successfully can you lie and you know, how can you sort of throw
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people off the scent? So to speak and then play the
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bad guy or or convince people that you're the good guy, you
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know, It's Tricky is I guess it's that basic human psychology
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really isn't it? But it's it's just interesting.
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It's like an interactive murder mystery and you could be
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murdered. If the funny thing is well like
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a particularly in the in in the UK and Yeah.
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In the US as well like I would say crime, dramas in general
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have just been eternally popular.
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They never seem to go out of fashion.
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You know, the only thing that really changes is maybe like a
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different version of the same thing.
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Like, I know in the UK, we've always had famous things like
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Midsomer Murders, or Miss Marple or whatever.
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And obviously in America you've got shows, like NCIS.
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And what's the other one? The I can't.
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Yes, I do. Yes, I that's the one.
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Yeah, yeah. And there Hugh even here they've
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been popular in the UK and my favorite British ones is Luther,
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hmm. Yeah, Thief.
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I wish it lasted longer because it's just solid.
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I mean, I love each other's elbow.
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But it's a, it was just such a solid show, is it was a modern
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Sherlock other than Sherlock, you know, because that was also
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a good show. No, but she met people that
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don't like Sherlock, which blows my mind, like, I always thought
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it was a great. Eight show father's people out
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there who just don't have any taste.
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Yeah, I say it's interesting. It's interesting.
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I think I think on the mother time, as you said, people like
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to follow the The case and kind of see like if they can work it
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out from the very beginning. Like, I know, when I watch
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these, a lot of the time, I'd be like, looking for something,
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this irregular, but not obvious, because if it's a good show,
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they'll make it seem like a particular person is really,
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obviously guilty, but it's never that person.
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It's always someone who's, like, two or three steps down.
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He does something a bit suspicious, but not like
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straight away, obviously. Yeah, yeah.
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I'm a big fan of the red herring.
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And that's, that's, there's even a bar.
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My show, that's called the red herring because of how much I
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like to use those. So I just tried to like shoehorn
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the actual name onto a dive bar in the.
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I'm Shadows just because in a way is to just openly say
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prepare for them. You know, there was that there
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was a game years ago, wasn't there, very famous game.
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I can't remember what it's called, but it was this kind of
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new. Art film.
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Noir / detective game. Or l.a.
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Noire. That's the one.
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Yeah, and I remember it had a lot of that.
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There were certain people in there that were very suspicious
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and then it would turn out. They done something may be
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morally not just but they won't actually the killer.
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They were just like a very questionable person, but it does
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go to show just how easily people can become a suspect in a
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case and there's a almost seemingly perfect Alibi but it's
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wrong, you know. It's crazy to think about it
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makes you think, doesn't it as well?
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Like, how many people are in prison right now?
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Who are completely and utterly innocent?
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And then the reverse how many people are out the shouldn't be.
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Statistically, I'm in the u.s. they said one percent of people
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convicted of a crime. Were framed or they grabbed the
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wrong guy. Yes, crazy as well.
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When I see some of them get released from prison after say,
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like, I don't know like 20 years in prison where they get, you
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know, cleared of all charges. Charges and they get given,
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maybe, I don't know, five mil or something.
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And it's like, I think after that I would, I mean, sure it's
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nice to have the money but like you've lost 20 years, your life
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did. I mean, don't forget any amount
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of money's really going to. I mean, how do you integrate
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back into society? Like it?
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I mean, you'd rather have five million then not but also yeah
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I'd probably rather have the 20 years of my life to try and make
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my own 5 million. This is a big stigma as well for
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This is, I mean, certainly in the UK, it exists, you know,
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like, I don't care what you say, like, whenever I see that thing
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on an employment form that says, you know, oh, you have to
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declare if you've had any unspent convictions and you just
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know that nine times out of ten, they're just looking at people
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going criminal, okay, no chance, right?
25:28
And it's like, well, I don't know, I think that, that's
25:30
necessarily fair mean, if you believe in the criminal-justice
25:33
system, then you sort of believe in the idea of Rehabilitation
25:37
Ian and I don't know. I sometimes, look at those
25:40
companies is kind of like hypocritical in a way.
25:43
Yeah, they say the directness, but it is something else.
25:47
Yeah. Like are we saying that the
25:51
system works and these people are redeemed or are we saying it
25:54
doesn't actually work, but we're not going to address that.
25:56
We're just not going to hire this guy.
26:00
Bring it back to your true crime podcast.
26:02
Well what can we sort of expect in the coming year from that
26:07
podcast? Like how how will it differ from
26:10
what you're doing with your Audio Drama in terms of length
26:13
and time and segmentation and stuff?
26:15
So it's going to be around a half an hour.
26:18
They might run over a little bit, we definitely want to keep
26:21
it under an hour preferably under 45 minutes but I could see
26:25
some episodes especially special is going up and too close to an
26:29
hour. But typically we're going to sit
26:31
around the half-hour Mark. I think that the question the
26:34
conversations are going to be much more Dynamic and it also
26:39
gives us the the room to kind of focus on one specific Heist or
26:44
do a couple small ones and how frequently do you think we'll
26:49
expect to see these? It will probably be weekly for a
26:53
defined set of episodes. I'm, you know, probably for the
26:57
pilot season probably like 12. Besides and then once we kind of
27:02
will probably you know sit down and think about what we've
27:08
completed so far and how to move forward, you know, I tried
27:11
always analyze and gauge and you know, adjust my targeting, you
27:18
know. So if everything's working out
27:20
good and we know what we need to change, what we need to keep the
27:22
same, then we could do that. And then we can say like, hey
27:25
we're just going to be weekly till we're not, you know, that's
27:29
fun. Excellent.
27:30
Well, best best of luck with that.
27:31
I hope it goes. Well sounds very interesting.
27:33
Same with the, the Audio Drama, some good ideas, moving it
27:38
Forward. I wanted to just briefly ask
27:41
you, how covid-19 has affected you in your particular area
27:45
because I asked some of my guests this from time to time,
27:47
just to kind of gauge how it varies from state to state and
27:51
from country to Country. So, what's your experience of
27:54
it? What have you seen heard
27:57
excetera? Like, how's it been for you?
27:59
in Ohio, we were one of the first states to lock down and
28:05
make movements towards Like, we were the one, the first states
28:11
to shut down, like concerts and like large, social, Gatherings,
28:16
and the first initiate lockdowns and stuff.
28:18
And then then others followed after us.
28:21
And I don't know if it's made too much of a difference just
28:28
last week over the last week and a half.
28:32
We've had an increase of about 17,000 cases.
28:37
Yeah. And I think it's because there's
28:40
a stale. There's like an official stay at
28:41
home order as of two weeks ago. So I think people being indoors
28:47
with their recycled air and you know, because that's how you get
28:51
the cold and the flu during cold and flu season is Microbial, you
28:55
know consolidation? So I mean I'm thinking that all
28:59
these people staying at home or just kind of making each other
29:02
sick but but you know that's just my opinion.
29:07
But in terms of how it's affected like the projects that
29:12
I'm working on, it hasn't really made that much of an effect
29:16
other than I don't have if I'm if I need to record in my home
29:22
studio with some of my voice, Hers.
29:24
I just have really small groups of just like two or three people
29:27
at a day, you know, and so that like there's not really that
29:33
many people in and out, you know, we're all staying apart
29:37
and recording and everything with everyone's Health in mind.
29:44
But luckily, most of my voice actors are recording remotely
29:51
for this next season. So, We won't really have to jump
29:56
through many Hoops. I think there's only one, maybe
30:01
two, voice actors that are going to need to use my studio.
30:03
So that's that's easily manageable with regards to this
30:08
stat home, or do. We have something similar in the
30:11
UK? Basically, in the beginning of
30:13
March onwards, we entered a first initial lockdown.
30:17
So, everything was to shut down. Essentially apart from like, you
30:20
know, essential workers essential business.
30:24
Etc such as supermarkets. Maybe some banks were open but
30:27
everything was shut. And then somewhere in summer, we
30:30
reopened and we entered this really flawed kind of like tier
30:34
system which was currently in. But we've just will we're
30:39
approaching coming out of this second knockdown, which we were
30:41
in for a month. And then now we're going back
30:45
into this tier system, which I mean I won't go into loads of
30:49
details but basically the tears reflect various different.
30:55
Things you're allowed to do, not allowed to do and so on.
30:57
But one of the biggest things which connects to your story is,
31:00
there's a thing about how you have to stay at home and you're
31:04
forced to stay at home and stuff.
31:05
And I wanted to ask you just briefly about that and I guess
31:10
more from the enforcement side of things because obviously
31:13
around the world we kind of see what it's like in the US and you
31:18
know, it's difficult to know exactly how it is, you know.
31:24
Cuz like, some people say, all these can be very violent it's
31:27
not very safe. Other people say very
31:28
differently different things on that.
31:31
How strict is it as far as like policing as concerned?
31:35
I'm in terms of actual policing it Spritz.
31:39
I would say that if you've heard that there is strong
31:42
enforcement, I think people are just a little bit soft over
31:46
here. A little bit quick to condemn
31:50
everything. Okay, I mean I haven't heard of
31:53
anybody being forced to actually stay home.
31:56
I mean, I haven't even heard of anyone even being pulled over
32:00
for being out past our like we have kind of like a soft curfew,
32:04
right? Like they would, they would
32:06
appreciate you not being out past 10:00 and bars aren't
32:09
supposed to be open past 10 p.m. to encourage people to stay home
32:13
and I and but they said there's like a 250 dollar fine for being
32:19
at a bar and stuff like that. But I haven't heard of anything
32:23
being a actually imposed. We just had Thanksgiving and
32:28
they just said, you know, keep it the small families and and
32:33
then on social media. The governor was a proponent of
32:38
people ratting people out who are having too big of a
32:43
Thanksgiving. Yeah.
32:45
And they said like, he's basically telling people to
32:48
tattle on their neighbors, but as far as I know, that didn't
32:51
really people didn't really take too kindly to that.
32:54
We don't as a state doesn't seem like a lot of people like him
32:57
anyways, but because he's, you know, he's, he's telling people
33:01
to stay inside. They're not out Pat a lot out,
33:03
past 10:00 p.m. or not. They have more than, you know
33:06
like six yes for Thanksgiving or whatever the number is, but he's
33:12
telling people to go out Black Friday, shopping and supporting
33:15
local businesses together. So it's you know, it's it's
33:19
really inconsistent this blows my mind because what you've just
33:23
described there is pretty much exactly the problems we have
33:27
here. So that's it.
33:29
More than six thing we have that week.
33:31
It's called the rule of sex and I do Pens on the tears that
33:36
you're in. But, yeah, for example, like
33:37
Christmas is a big one for in us and you can do is obviously in
33:41
the us and our government is sort of said that it can kind of
33:47
happen, but you can only have a certain amount of households
33:50
together mixing or something like that.
33:52
But it's so ridiculous because, you know, any most people's
33:55
families are huge, you know, more definitely more than what
34:00
18 people, like, you know, it it's just nonsensical, and
34:05
Everything that you're describing has happened here
34:07
that the 10 p.m. curfew thing we have that as well.
34:09
I don't know what difference it makes, if you get drunk and stay
34:13
a place at 10 or you leave it to am, you know what I mean?
34:16
Like, yeah, anything in the UK, it's led to situations where
34:20
everyone groups together to get, you know, leave at that time
34:25
rather than staggered throughout the night.
34:27
And there's more of a, this people Gathering, and then
34:30
there's more of the issue. So, but yeah, the same thing
34:33
like not Necessarily with Black Friday, but we had a scheme here
34:38
called eat out to help out which basically just first of all, is
34:42
just hilarious just the name. Yeah.
34:44
Secondly it was a 50 percent discount off like General
34:51
restaurants you know basically encouraging you to go out and
34:54
help the economy, right? Because the company's screwed
34:57
since since these lockdowns have been put in place they then
35:01
close everything down and blame the public.
35:05
For, you know, spreading covid and making it worse, even though
35:08
they did encouraged us to go out and do these things.
35:11
Yeah, that sounds about right. Well, I mean else, whether what
35:17
kind of like stuff have you seen, you know, as far as like
35:21
weird, behaviors are concerned because I think, the weirdest
35:24
Behavior I've seen here in the UK is just, you know, people
35:27
stocking up crazy amounts, you know, on toilet paper and stuff,
35:33
or like, seeing some Supermarkets ransacked, but we
35:37
often hear about some of the craziest stories coming from
35:40
countries like the u.s. So what have you seen?
35:43
I mean, in terms of things that are actually happening that we
35:48
see like in our news locally and nationally, it's just
35:52
essentially the same stop. I think a lot of us like whether
35:56
it's us, you know, you k, you know.
36:00
Like I feel like Any Commonwealth country is
36:04
basically rat reacting like the same way.
36:07
I think we're seeing a lot of things.
36:08
We probably hear a lot of nonsense about the other ones,
36:11
but I feel like it's, you know, over here.
36:14
It's always, we always assume you guys have more rules and
36:17
licenses and Leo. That's always a joke on the
36:19
internet, but I think essentially, we're all mostly
36:24
the same and, you know, I'm sure there's been some extremes here
36:30
and they're all over. But essentially yeah, the thing
36:33
that pops up the most is just people, just panicking and then
36:38
resource guarding, you know, just like like like a bunch of
36:41
wild dogs. Who feel like they're not going
36:43
to get fed their next meal. So they hoard things.
36:46
And so you have just like the single person household, just as
36:51
a wallet toilet paper that they're never going to use in
36:53
their lifetime, moving it forward.
36:59
So, you are a part-time streamer on Twitch.
37:02
To talk about the type of games that you like to play on your
37:05
streams and what do you like about streaming?
37:09
Well I like about streaming is I can just kind of get on and do
37:16
whatever it is. I was already going to do and
37:18
make some friends while doing it.
37:20
It's kind of I have met a few people that I wouldn't have
37:24
otherwise that are my friends now just because I was
37:28
streaming, they jumped in, they wanted to moderate for me and
37:32
just hang out with me and joke around in the chat while I play
37:36
games and then eventually we play games together.
37:39
And so I think that's a really cool concept.
37:44
And kind of what got me into. It was About a year and a half
37:52
ago, I was just playing like, competitive games with my
37:59
friends. I was just thinking, you know,
38:01
there's so many instances where like we get on a funny rant.
38:06
We're really have like, a lot of funny jokes and like, it's just
38:09
like if nothing else. It's just a really good memory
38:11
and friendship, but it could also be entertaining others.
38:14
And then also like some of the plays we would make we're just,
38:18
you know, really awesome. I wish I had Up with this or
38:21
that when you're streaming here, it's just constantly recording.
38:25
So when I'm done streaming I can just go back and clip a memory
38:29
and keep it for myself or Market it you know, whatever I want.
38:33
And so that's what kind of got me into it was, I'm already
38:36
doing this thing. I might as well be able to
38:39
extract like memories from it and, you know, keep them and
38:44
we're produce content out of it. And so that's what got me into
38:48
it and I mostly play. Jay.
38:52
Competitive Shooters and jrpgs and so, like Japanese RPGs.
38:59
That's those are my favorite games.
39:02
Awesome. Yeah.
39:03
Obviously same for me, I do a lot of streaming on Twitch as
39:05
well and stuff for YouTube, and yeah, I think it is awesome.
39:10
Isn't it like it, especially when you can kind of track back
39:13
as well? Like, I like for instance it's
39:17
only partially related. But sometimes, when you're on
39:19
Instagram you get like A clip back of like, oh, this happened
39:23
like this time this year, or like, you know, this time five
39:25
years ago and I have the same one I'm looking through memories
39:28
of previous streams or certain clips that have happened or
39:31
whatever and I'm like, oh yeah, like I remember that or, you
39:35
know, but yeah, I think the whole aspect of meeting people
39:38
online, I couldn't agree more with you.
39:40
I've met some really good people because of it and we've even
39:43
done stuff together. Even though we've never met each
39:45
other in real life, which is still mind-blowing, right?
39:49
The power, the internet, I suppose.
39:51
Yeah, awesome. Awesome.
39:53
Well as we draw kind of everything to a close for today.
39:56
Do you have any final thoughts or upcoming projects that you'd
40:00
like to share with us? Um well I guess I thought would
40:04
be we just finished our Kickstarter campaign for season
40:08
two is it was a success. So I'm really excited about
40:12
that. I've never I've ran a couple
40:15
campaigns before but you would just essentially call those
40:19
failing up so that I would like be able to comprehend how to
40:24
launch a campaign better to make this one successful.
40:29
So luckily this one was a success and we met our goal.
40:33
So we will be making a it's actually almost done already but
40:37
we will be releasing a Christmas episode of neon shadows and it's
40:42
going to be kind of like a non-canon feel-good episode
40:45
because typically both with the genre and our show, it's
40:50
typically kind of Dark and mysterious and dangerous and
40:55
whatever kind of friendship or love that the characters
40:58
experience. You know, it's just a little
41:01
small little pinpoint of light in this dark sea of Despair.
41:05
So I thought, you know, I would I really like is Christmas
41:09
specials that are kind of like non-canon like even kind of like
41:14
the bad guys are the in between people, like they're kind of
41:16
like in this alternate universe of happiness.
41:20
I just thought It's something that was it's mostly a comedy
41:23
and it kind of like a feel-good holiday special.
41:27
So that's going to be very different and I think it's gonna
41:29
be pretty cool, cool, so nothing?
41:32
Yeah, that would be very well-received to be interesting
41:34
to hear it. I don't think I've ever heard of
41:36
a kind of Christmasy film Noir, kind of stuff.
41:40
Yeah, so that's that's cool. Cool.
41:41
Well, best of luck with that and a big thank you for agreeing to
41:46
appear on the podcast. It's been an absolute pleasure
41:49
to have you. I wish you all the Best of all
41:51
of these projects can see that. There's a lot of exciting stuff
41:54
here and interesting stuff that certainly your listeners will
41:58
love. I know that there's probably
41:59
people in my listener base, that would love to check this out.
42:02
So, make sure you go and check it out if you are listening or
42:04
watching and yeah, all the best with that.
42:09
Thank you so much. Thanks and to everyone listening
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42:41
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42:43
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42:45
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