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Ep. 148 : 2026 Topps Chrome Overview · Cards & Categories

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome everybody to episode one forty eight of
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  Speaker 1: Cards and Categories. I am Mike Couard from Baseball Perspectives,
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  Speaker 1: joined as always by my very good friend Jeremy BREWERU
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  Speaker 1: from Rasball. How you feeling tonight, buddy? It is TOPS
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  Speaker 1: Chrome released day July twenty second. We've made it through
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  Speaker 1: another year. Are you feeling the excitement?
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  Speaker 2: I am feeling the excitement. I was very conflicted today.
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  Speaker 2: I was tempted to go buy some types TOPS Chrome,
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  Speaker 2: but then I got stuck at work for an extra
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  Speaker 2: hour and a half and I didn't have time, so
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  Speaker 2: I probably a good financial decision was made for me.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm excited to talk tops Chrome. Even though the
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  Speaker 2: price point the print runs maybe a little out there,
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  Speaker 2: I still love the set. It's still one of the
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  Speaker 2: best sets of the year. So it's gonna be fun
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  Speaker 2: to dig in.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, so that is gonna be the main segment
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  Speaker 1: of our show. Definitely Already go to rasball dot com
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  Speaker 1: and look for the related post. It's also gonna be
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  Speaker 1: in the show notes show details here so that you
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  Speaker 1: can see pictures of this new set. Because there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot there's a lot of guards there's a lot of inserts,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of variations, and it's gonna take you
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  Speaker 1: a while to catch up before we even get to
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  Speaker 1: discussing it.
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  Speaker 3: Before we do.
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  Speaker 1: That, though, we're gonna get into some news and notes
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  Speaker 1: that are gonna affect us on the fantasy side. And
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  Speaker 1: like I said, we're speaking on July twenty second. Here,
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  Speaker 1: it's a Wednesday night. It is the evening where the
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  Speaker 1: Red Sox have won their fifteenth game. We'll see if
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  Speaker 1: they can pull off the sixteenth win they might have
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  Speaker 1: been cursed by. There was like a cursed photo of
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  Speaker 1: Jaron Duran going around on social media that Red Sox
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  Speaker 1: posted after the game of him winning the little like
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember what the trophy was off the
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  Speaker 1: top MyD I want to say it was like a well,
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  Speaker 1: it's not coming to me right now. But the thing
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  Speaker 1: that stands out is that he has one of the
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  Speaker 1: worst tattoos I've ever seen across his entire stomach is
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  Speaker 1: just the last supper painting, and obviously that might have
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  Speaker 1: cursed doomed the Red Sox. Here did you find the photo?
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  Speaker 1: Have you found the photo in question? To remember what
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  Speaker 1: plush toy.
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  Speaker 2: Was Bowser Bowser.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, the Bowser toy. I was going to say,
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  Speaker 1: like a Charis Ard, but I was a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: I'll give you credit from a from a sports card podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I'll give you the credit of of of mixing those
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  Speaker 2: those two up. Hopefully, hopefully if you're listening, then you
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  Speaker 2: are on the Pokemon Mario side of things. You don't
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  Speaker 2: give us on that one.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I thought you were going to chime in
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  Speaker 1: and say, this isn't that bad of a Last Supper tattoo?
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  Speaker 3: Look at mine?
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  Speaker 2: No, that's I mean, that's just impressive. Like, let's just
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  Speaker 2: leave it with that, like a I don't know, that's
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  Speaker 2: the work of art.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't know if it's impressive, positive or derogatory.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just worried for later life, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and playing baseball, and as a few pounds in the
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  Speaker 2: Last Supper will expand true.
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  Speaker 1: But anyways, let's get into those fantasy news and notes.
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  Speaker 1: Unless that was your fantasy news and note on Jared Duran,
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  Speaker 1: that was.
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  Speaker 2: It, like just pure vibes alone. I think you should
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  Speaker 2: own Jared Duran.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I don't. I might be on the opposite end
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  Speaker 3: of the coin.
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  Speaker 1: But let's get into some injuries that are affecting us
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  Speaker 1: out there, because I mean, we're just gonna rattle through
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  Speaker 1: the first three picks of every draft that happened.
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  Speaker 2: I just released my top ten for twenty twenty seven,
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  Speaker 2: and it's the top three guys that are on a
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  Speaker 2: rundown that are hurt. I had to clarify that as
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  Speaker 2: I was writing him, like this is next year, to
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  Speaker 2: not get after me because I'm assuming they're all healthy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you cursed everything out there too, So we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna start off with show heyo Tani. This one is
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  Speaker 1: less serious obviously for the fantasy game, because really the
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  Speaker 1: new news here is that he's got to bother some
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  Speaker 1: left knee and it's been barking at him for most
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  Speaker 1: of the season now at this point, and so he
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  Speaker 1: started to go underneath under treatment for it, where they're
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  Speaker 1: actually like they're doing injections to lubricate the knee, which
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  Speaker 1: means there's something going on with meniscus or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: I would imagine in the middle of the knee. Also
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  Speaker 1: doesn't seem like it's overly serious, But the thing is
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  Speaker 1: is that it's gonna keep Otani from pitching for a while.
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  Speaker 1: The news earlier this week was that it could be
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  Speaker 1: indefinite and people were starting to speculate towards maybe playoffs
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  Speaker 1: is when we would see Otani back. It sounds like
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  Speaker 1: Otani is actually getting closer to doing moundwork now as
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  Speaker 1: we're speaking on the Wednesday than it was even a
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  Speaker 1: couple days ago. Just shows you how fluid this situation is,
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  Speaker 1: just like the inside of Otani's knee. Like, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: he's still hitting, so he's putting up pretty decent stats
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  Speaker 1: for you. He certainly is not running this year, where
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  Speaker 1: you know it's only six to dolen bases on the
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  Speaker 1: year compared to twenty last year. We're never going to
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  Speaker 1: see that fifty nine again that happened in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: four as long as he pitches, So until he goes
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  Speaker 1: back to full time DH because of an injury on
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  Speaker 1: the pitching side to his arm, or they fully shut
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  Speaker 1: down the pitching to let him right at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the contract, we're gonna be seeing I think totals
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  Speaker 1: that are twenty and less for Otani and the stolen
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  Speaker 1: base side, so certainly trending that way this year. What
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  Speaker 1: is your take here? Because it's been a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more of a muted year at the plate, only twenty
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  Speaker 1: two homers in the ninety seven games, a one forty
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  Speaker 1: nine WRC plus when we've been used to marks in
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  Speaker 1: the one eighties the past three years.
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  Speaker 3: Are you blaming that on.
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  Speaker 1: The knee, You're blaming it on the aging curve and
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  Speaker 1: any just overall concerns about Otani going forward for the
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  Speaker 1: rest of this year or wanting to revise that top
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  Speaker 1: ten for twenty twenty seven.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I feel clearly some concerns for us
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  Speaker 2: of the year, but not terribly of anything. From a
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  Speaker 2: hitting perspective, it's probably the good news because he's got
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  Speaker 2: to focus. That's what he's gonna be working on. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you have to imagine, and you know he's a supreme athlete,
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  Speaker 2: so he's been able to somehow pitch and hit for years,
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  Speaker 2: but you have to think that it's got to give
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  Speaker 2: him some boost on the hitting side. From recovery perspective,
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  Speaker 2: things like that. Honestly, the way everything reads about this
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  Speaker 2: one is more of like he's probably okay, but we're
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  Speaker 2: the Dodgers and we're eleven games up, and it's okay.
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  Speaker 2: We'll just let him rest and recover and bring him
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  Speaker 2: back later because we want him to pitch in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: Like that, That's what this one reads to me. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm not terribly concerned. I think the biggest biggest question
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  Speaker 2: overall is what you got at, which is the speed.
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  Speaker 2: Is you know, at what point is Otani not really running?
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  Speaker 2: And six deals in the year are have they asked
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  Speaker 2: him not to run? Is he selected not to run?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know this. Spots aren't just aren't there. But
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  Speaker 2: that's the one thing for me that I do have
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  Speaker 2: him very high my rankings for next year. I believe
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  Speaker 2: that had number two, and if he continues to not run,
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  Speaker 2: I think it starts to put a little damper on it. Now,
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  Speaker 2: if you look at it from an overall perspective, and
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  Speaker 2: he's going to pitch fifteen twenty games and do what
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  Speaker 2: he's doing, he's still your number one pick. He just
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  Speaker 2: might not be your number one hitter, which is kind
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  Speaker 2: of a really odd odd thing to think about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the other component there too is the
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  Speaker 1: volume of runs and rbi are so crazy as long
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  Speaker 1: as he is at the top of the Dodgers lineup.
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  Speaker 1: But that I mean it is really tough to go
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  Speaker 1: away from him as number one, because it's also like
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  Speaker 1: a talent level ceiling too that you know, it's pretty
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  Speaker 1: easy for him to flip it on and turn into
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  Speaker 1: just an outstanding number one overall with.
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  Speaker 3: A bullet pick.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I'm there with you. This does
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  Speaker 1: read as like the Dodgers trying to manage things. Honestly,
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  Speaker 1: if I think it was the playoffs, it would be
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  Speaker 1: possible that Otani would be pushing his way through this
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  Speaker 1: and trying to make here and there when it really mattered.
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  Speaker 1: But you know where they're at right now. There's no
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  Speaker 1: one coming for them in the inn all West. They're
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  Speaker 1: kind of an unstoppable machine, and they've even got more
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  Speaker 1: talent coming through the pipeline there too.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, let's go up one notch.
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  Speaker 1: I think in seriousness, probably we have an update on
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Judge from the New York Yankees. Obviously, that four
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  Speaker 1: to six week window that we were originally talking about
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  Speaker 1: when they would check in on that rib fractory he
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  Speaker 1: had has happened. He says he's feeling ten times better
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  Speaker 1: than when he broke.
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  Speaker 2: The ribs, So is that an official medical diagnosis?
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  Speaker 3: There? Yeah, it is.
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  Speaker 1: It's quoted in this piece, so ten times better. So
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  Speaker 1: that's not good enough to get back to a rehab start.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently he needs multiple more times than ten. I think
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  Speaker 1: this is what we kind of talked about in terms
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  Speaker 1: of when the injury happened, where it was also.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit facetious.
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  Speaker 1: I would say on the original timeline that we were
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  Speaker 1: given where Judge was originally said to be out six
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  Speaker 1: to eight weeks, because that's when he's going to be
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  Speaker 1: like re evaluated, and certainly right now they don't have
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  Speaker 1: a great timeline for when he will be back, which, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: it almost is reading a little bit similar to Otani,
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  Speaker 1: where it seems like the Yankees are just trying to
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  Speaker 1: make sure Aaron Judge is ready to go for the playoffs,
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  Speaker 1: and that might mean fantasy players out there be damned
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  Speaker 1: because if you were waiting for Judge, he might not
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  Speaker 1: be back until September. I think at this point, just
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  Speaker 1: to get him some run before the playoffs. Are you
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  Speaker 1: there with me or do you think that there's actually
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  Speaker 1: more possibility that Aaron Judge is around the corner from
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  Speaker 1: a return.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm right there with you. I think this is one.
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  Speaker 2: If there would have been good news, would have came
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  Speaker 2: out right away after that imaging. The fact that it
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  Speaker 2: was kind of muted news means it wasn't good news,
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  Speaker 2: and I would be surprised if he starts a rehab
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  Speaker 2: assignment in the next four weeks. Frankly, I think your
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  Speaker 2: best case scenario is kind of what you got at there,
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  Speaker 2: which is a September return getting ramped up for the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: So that's why I think we're gonna get a judge here.
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  Speaker 2: Granted you can't drop him, he can't move away from him.
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  Speaker 2: He's still ever judge. When he's back, he's going to
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  Speaker 2: be one of the best players in the game, and
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  Speaker 2: you have to rely on that. You know, maybe there's
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  Speaker 2: a weird window here that you want to try to
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  Speaker 2: sell them in like a head to head league to
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  Speaker 2: like the top team, so that they can be gearing
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  Speaker 2: for their playoff run. Like there's maybe little little quirks there,
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  Speaker 2: but overall this is just a stash and sit on
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  Speaker 2: it maybe for more. From a long term perspective, this
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  Speaker 2: is probably the one that I'm a little bit more
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  Speaker 2: concerned about, not the rib injury, but like I just
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  Speaker 2: feel like the last few years we've been running on
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  Speaker 2: borrowed time with Judge, and this kind of injury that
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  Speaker 2: seems slow to heal is what I've had expected probably
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  Speaker 2: five years ago with Aaron Judge, and he just seems
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  Speaker 2: outside of twenty twenty three to healthy at all times,
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  Speaker 2: which is just odd. So I'm a little more concerned
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  Speaker 2: long term for Judge in what this means from health perspective.
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  Speaker 2: So am I changing twenty twenty seven expectations? Not yet,
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  Speaker 2: But he's getting up there. Judge is getting up there
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  Speaker 2: for sure.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he turns thirty five in April, so something
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  Speaker 1: to keep in mind that, like, you know, the spryness
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  Speaker 1: of his body is probably leaving him rapidly day by day,
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  Speaker 1: and so that's a factor I think where you know
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  Speaker 1: they also but also on the back end, like not
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  Speaker 1: only does he bounce back slower probably as he gets older,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they also don't want to push him harder
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  Speaker 1: to be able to make sure that they don't have
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  Speaker 1: to lose him for long stretches of the time. Where
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  Speaker 1: if anything, like Giancarlo Stanton has kind of paved the
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  Speaker 1: way ahead of a Hair and Judge that maybe the
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  Speaker 1: Yankees have learned a few things from the way that
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  Speaker 1: they have handled and man handled mishandled Stanton over the years.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, it is certainly more concerning. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: he's quite in like Byron Buxton territory, but I.
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  Speaker 2: Think but that's a tier.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's one year away from being there.
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  Speaker 1: I think that like, if he puts up another injured
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  Speaker 1: year next year and you only get a half a year,
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna start aging so quickly that I think he
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  Speaker 1: goes in that bucket.
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  Speaker 2: For me, this is an interesting one if you look
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  Speaker 2: at Judge's overall career line. I think if you if
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  Speaker 2: you talk about Judge, people just say, like he's probably
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  Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer. But I think people forget how
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  Speaker 2: injured he was and that he came up pretty late
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  Speaker 2: all things considered. He you know, he came up in
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  Speaker 2: his age twenty four season and only got twenty seven games,
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  Speaker 2: so he really was until he's twenty five. But he
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  Speaker 2: had a full run. He's only got three hundred and
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  Speaker 2: eighty five career homers, seventy steals, two ninety one batting average. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I get from a you know, WRC plus is one
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  Speaker 2: seventy six, War sixty three seven, but like this is
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  Speaker 2: what like those types of careers talk about, like the
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  Speaker 2: peak is so impressive, but the the length of the
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  Speaker 2: career isn't. And so it's just it will be another
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  Speaker 2: of those interesting dialogues for folks of what does a
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  Speaker 2: Hall of Famer look like? Judge looks like a Hall
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  Speaker 2: of famer, but does he perform like one? So the
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  Speaker 2: debate for a different day.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, are you really there's no debate?
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  Speaker 2: I think oh, as of now, I think there's a
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  Speaker 2: debate like if if Judge ends up in Injuryriddle season
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  Speaker 2: the next few years and ends up with like four
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  Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five career home runs, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: he's a Hall of Famer.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's already in.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so much war.
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  Speaker 3: It's so much peak, all the MVP Awards.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's probably in easy psy. But okay, that's
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  Speaker 1: why another day, All right, Well, let's ratchet up to
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  Speaker 1: concern one more level. We've got Bobby Witt Junior going
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  Speaker 1: down as well. He is on the injured list now
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  Speaker 1: with a back injury where he's been battling through this
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  Speaker 1: lower back tightness and they finally shelved him for the
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  Speaker 1: ten day. Now, what gives me concern here is that
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  Speaker 1: the Royals are like one of the few teams that
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  Speaker 1: are totally absolutely out of it in al.
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  Speaker 3: There's no hope for the Royals.
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  Speaker 1: There is no fifteen game run in this team the
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  Speaker 1: way that there was for the Red Sox, and so
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  Speaker 1: they might think about really slow playing this Bobby Wit
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  Speaker 1: junior injury and the recovery. You know, they have him
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  Speaker 1: signed through twenty thirty four. Back injuries aren't something you
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  Speaker 1: really want to mess around with, and so just something
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  Speaker 1: to keep in mind. I don't know if I'm necessarily
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  Speaker 1: like that level of concern. If I had to put
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  Speaker 1: a percentage on it, you know, it's maybe like ten
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  Speaker 1: to twenty percent there. But I do think he's probably
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  Speaker 1: out more like three weeks instead of the two weeks,
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  Speaker 1: just so that they make sure that he's ready to go.
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  Speaker 1: But what's your take here on the Bobby Wit junior
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  Speaker 1: injury and with the effect might be for the rest
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  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I do kind of read this as
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  Speaker 2: more of a very precautionary approach, knowing that they're generally
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  Speaker 2: out of things, so back tightness not being described as
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  Speaker 2: any single injury. I do see kind of the timeline
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  Speaker 2: that you're getting through probably a mid August return. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not sure that he's even gonna need to rehab assignment. Now,
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  Speaker 2: this is going to be something that they're you know,
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  Speaker 2: hiding not generally the Royals game to play around with
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  Speaker 2: the media from an injury perspective, So I think he
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  Speaker 2: truly just has to type back. He's going to be
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  Speaker 2: back in a few weeks. And I mean, I know
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  Speaker 2: some people have said he's had a down year, but
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  Speaker 2: like he legitimately could have finish with twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 2: homers and fifty steals and a pretty pretty rough lineup.
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  Speaker 2: So I still think he is one of the best
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  Speaker 2: hitters out there. And if this is a down year,
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  Speaker 2: I can't wait to see what the up year looks like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was twenty twenty four but with
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  Speaker 1: more steals probably, but like, yeah, but I mean that
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  Speaker 1: is certainly it seems out when you're looking at the
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  Speaker 1: one nineteen WRC plus a career low one seventy one ISO,
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  Speaker 1: but also still even this late in the season, like
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  Speaker 1: this is one of those situations where you know he
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  Speaker 1: rips off three or four homers in a week, and
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  Speaker 1: it's right back to that one thirty WRC plus that
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  Speaker 1: we saw last year, and the ISO pops back above
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  Speaker 1: one ninety quickly, And so yeah, I'm with you that
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  Speaker 1: like it. Certainly it's right in the range of outcomes.
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  Speaker 1: And the nice thing about Bobby Wood Junior from a
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  Speaker 1: draft perspective is the floor is so high on him
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  Speaker 1: that like, if this is the floor, that like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: that's a lot of guaranteed production.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, if you were to say, what guy's gonna
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: go thirty sixty next year, it's probably the only one
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: that I could say I would want to put a
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: bet on. There's other guys with the talent, but the injury.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: He's like an a quna or something like that with
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: you know, I would not be shocked to see him
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: pull off that kind of season.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I might might be on Ellie if you
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: had to make me put it on somebody, but Bobby's
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: right there.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's move to the pitching side.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: And this guy was not a first rounder, so we'll
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: get out of the first round for everybody. I mean,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: he is going to be a high draft pick next
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: year because everything has come together in twenty twenty six
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: for Max Meyer. But he's landing on the il now
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: with a next strain. Now, if you recall, this is
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: actually I think pretty similar to what Ben Brown from
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: the Cubs went down with a few weeks ago, and
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: it has not been great news on that front, where
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: it is not healed quickly and there haven't been really
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: any updates. The other thing with next strains is it
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: feels like they're happening more with pictures because what I
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: think has also been discovered is that it usually is
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: connected to the shoulder at the end of the day.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously your neck is right next to your shoulder,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: but there's like a link between neck injuries and shoulder injuries,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: and it all kind of coming together. Max Meyer is
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: twenty seven years old. It's been a career year two
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: sixty eight ERA three fifty one fifth and one hundred
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: and eleven innings, nine in one record. The K minus
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: BB has been pretty solid at seventeen point three percent,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: but the K percentage has been up twenty six point
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: two percent. I wrote about Meyer a few months ago
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: when he was like right at the at the precipice
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: of this blast off over at BP and a lot
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: of it has just been sequencing and tightening up of
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: that slider where he's always had a great pitch mix,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: and he just found the right groove with it this
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: year and has stayed consistent with it. So I used
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: to be a not Max Meyer guy. I am a
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Max Meyer guy now. But this has also been a
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: part of the Max Meyer experience has been the injuries.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: So where are you at with Meyern right now?
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say I'm generally not a big Max Meyer guy.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: There's a there's just a lot of things that are
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: going just a little bit better than probably should be,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: which I think is giving to some of the results.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: He doesn't have necessarily overwhelming stuff. He doesn't have the
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: best control, he doesn't do the best keeping on the
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: on the ground. He's definitely had some baby bluffs lucks
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: and left on base plucks, some Hormer fly ball olh luck,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: like a number of things. Is he a mid two
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: or mid three to four e RA, Yeah, I think so.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: And is that a viable fantasy starter? Yeah, I also
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: think so. But I do think because of the strikeout
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: up side and the era that he's carried, especially since
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: like the beginning of June, where he's carrying like a
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: two to twenty three era, it's gonna be the price
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: is going to go probably higher than it's worth, knowing
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: the injury risk and some of the luck metrics he's had.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: So I do like Meyer. I've I've picked up multiple
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: places and I will run with him, But I think
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: that the price is going to escalate above going into
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: next year what he's actually worth.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: So like I'm just pulling up some like rankings, and
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: you know, seriously rankings. Meyer was clocking in the mid forties.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Our boy Marmos Sad had.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Him fourteenth before the injury. I don't know if I
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: would go.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I feel that the forties seems like right ish, maybe
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: fifties for me, somewhere somewhere in.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: That range, Yeah, I think, I yeah, that is I
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: love you, Marmos, but that is very very rich. But yeah,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I think he's probably yeah, around forty ish for me
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: going forward. And I mean that's going to be a
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: solid number three starter, I think. And yeah, that's exactly
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: where I would have him where certainly you can see
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: the pathway to him becoming.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Like new age Sonny Gray, down down down the line.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: But the one thing that will have to be a
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: big hurdle for Meyer is just the volume we've never
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: This is already a career high in innings that we've
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: seen from him in the majors, and it might not
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: he might not be returning soon at that nick injury
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: is really serious. All right, Well, I brought up shoulder injuries.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Kingis shoulder injuries. Because Brandon Woodriff
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: underwent the knife for the baky shoulder he's been battling.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Now. I don't know what the what the long.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Term kind of like outlook is here because.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: It's another capsule surgery, which I.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Don't know if I can even name guys that have
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: come back from two of those, like I can name
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: guys that've come back from three. Tommy John's the way that,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: like Paul Reagins is trying to do.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: It's a very short list.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: But like this type of shoulder injury with thrascic outlet
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: syndrome that he's battled, I don't know if I can
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: really recall a guy who's been through this type of
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: uphill battle the wood Drift's facing right now. He's gonna
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: turn thirty four in the spring as well. So I
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: think you can tell read the lines here that I
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: think it's unfortunately probably the end of his career.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know how he makes his way.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Back from this appropriately, like without just coming up and
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: throwing ninety if he can even touch that. We saw
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: it kind of as his arm was giving out in
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: certain spots throughout starts this year where it was dropping
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: in the mid to upper nineties or mid to upper eighties.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: And yeah, unfortunately, you know, when he went down, we
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: were talking about how I don't know if we would
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: ever give up on Woodroff, but this was the outcome that,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: like now you do kind of have to give up
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: on him, where like even in like deep dynasty keeper leagues,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I don't even know if he's worth stashing it on
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: any measure, because not only are you looking at him
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: being out, I mean he's probably out next year too, right, Like,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know how he gets back on the mountain
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty seven, so he might not be back
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: till twenty eight, and at that point he's going.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: To be thirty five.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: And again, I don't know if he's gonna want.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: To go through all that. So what's your take? Here
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: in Brandon Woodruff, do you.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Maybe still want to stash him away in dynasty keeper
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: situations where he's cheap and not costing new roster space.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm always gonna be a Brandon Woodruff truther. I
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: think if you look at this just career like this,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: this shouts like ace profile. I mean, this is a
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: guy that has struck out on his career ten and
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: a half batters per nine, barely walking more than two
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: career whip of one oh two, career era of three ten,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: a fifty five and thirty win loss record, and a
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: guy that absolutely would go deep into games and shoves,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: but like, injuries have just been the nightmare. And so
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I think that's what was funny when we talked about
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: him last time, was like, if he ever pitches, I
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: will own him every single time he pitches. But I
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: honestly think you're right. I don't think he's back till
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: twenty eight. He's saying all the right things I want
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: to come back, Like, I think he knows how talented
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: he is, and this is a guy who's also figured
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: out how to pitch from like ninety seven mile hour
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: fastball to ninety two mile hour fastball and been just
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: as successful. So I think I still love everything about
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: brown Woodroff, but you can't hold on to him. There's
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: no reason. This is coming from a guy that will
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: own every injured pitcher like you just can't do that.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: It's two years of hanging onto this the hope that
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: he comes back, And I think I might be willing
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: to argue if he was on like a long term
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: contract or something. He's not. He go to qualify and
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: offer this year, and so he has no home for
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: the next few years, and a lot of teams would
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: be willing to take like I'm gonna lose you for
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: part of this year, maybe get you back to the part
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: next year, that kind of you know, two year deal
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: paying one year salary. I don't think that's gonna happen
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: for him. I don't, and I think that's gonna be
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: The issue is that he's not gonna have his platform
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: to show himself and that's gonna be the biggest downfall
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: of him. So yeah, I hate to say it, but
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm actually with you on this one. For once,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: I have to be selling rend Woodruff. I'm cutting him.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: I had to be that extreme of a case.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, his shoulder had to basically fall off.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: I get it's like, yeah, that thing is just like
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: mashed potatoes at this point, and that is where it
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: had to go. But I think that it also shows
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: like what talent he had and the fact that even
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: made it back from the first one was really impressive,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: and so yeah, it'll be it'll be really tough, I
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: think for him to make it back. So just something
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: to consider if you do see him pop up on
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: any waiver wires. Well, let's stick in Milwaukee. Because in
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: response to this, the Brewers did go out and make
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: a deal with the Astros. They went out and picked
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: up Lance mcculler's junior where also oddly the Astros are
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: shipping salary from themselves over to Milwaukee, which is a
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: strange situation. But they've also added Colton Gordon, who I
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: mean immediately everybody was like, Brewers win this trade. Colton
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Gordon's gonna get Cy Young Award votes. That, Like, I
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: do really like what a team like Milwaukee will do
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: with a Colton Gordon. Whenever you have a pitch ability
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: lefty like that, that's the type of play that Milwaukee
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: just absolutely shapes into a dependable back end starter, so
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: he is down in triple A. But certainly whenever Colton
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Gordon gets his shot in Milwaukee, he's got a full
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: endorsement from me, just because at this point they've just
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: proven that you should trust them every time until Milwaukee
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: doesn't do it. But should we be doing it on
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Lance mc coller Senior. I think that's probably the biggest,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: the bigger question because obviously the talent has certainly been
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: there from mcculler's in the past, and he has gotten
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: into a game in the big leagues for the Brewers.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: You actually already saw a pitch mix change right off
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: the bat for him in Milwaukee where they up the
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: usage of his changeup, and it looks like it got
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: two whiffs out of three swings in that little outing,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: So not terrible but also a really small sample size,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: but also really fascinating when you see a team as
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: sharp as Milwaukee make a change so immediately and as
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: right out, So something to watch there. The overall just
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Arsenal was also fastball lists, which was normally pretty much
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: what he was doing in Houston, but the velocities are
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: right in range and really was dialing back that knuckle
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: curve in Milwaukee for mccollers. So what do you what's
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: your take here on the trade for Gordon and mccoller's
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: and any any interest in either of them down the
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: stretch as they're pitching for the Brewers.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that I have a ton of interest.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, if we start with Gordon, I think your
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: assessment of like interesting arm in a good spot, it's
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: you have to be willing to consider a flyer. But
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: I don't see anything that profile was like screams I
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: need to own him or I need to have him
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: on a deep watch list. It's just kind of one
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: of those being the good spot. It's kind of like
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: what Quinn Priester became useful pitching for the Brewers type thing,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Like I think he could be valuable, but I'm not.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: I'm not too worried if I miss out on that
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: boat that it's gonna he's going to become snack, Sayga.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, I could be wrong, but I just I'm
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: not seeing the profile. And then from a mccoller's perspective, like, man,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: it's it's been what now like four or five years
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: since he was like a useful pitcher, and I think
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: when he did that he pitched like fifty innings and
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. So I'm I'm I'm really just I can't.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: I don't understand this deal.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: From the Brewer's perspective, maybe they see something McCullers to
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: your point, that they're willing to try. Maybe they're desperate
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: with knowing what's happening with Woodruff. But just McCuller is
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: just his stuff's not there, Like it's the he needs
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: his big velocity to make the stuff cut and move
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: and be be the nasty guy that he was when
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: he was when he was younger, and it's just not there.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: And I don't I don't think the Brewers are going
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: to find that. Uh, they need to find five mile
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: an hour on the fastball, and that's just that's not
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: gonna happen with plants McCullers. And so yeah, I'll be
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: on the sideline. I'm very very comfortable there.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the fact that like the cutters like
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: hovering around ninety, that's what's gonna make it tough. That
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: like there's just not enough variation in the rest of
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: the profile. If you do see any tick up in
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: the cutter, then maybe it's an interesting situation, but I
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: think he is going to be a longer leaf piece,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: probably for the Brewers long term, but certainly like if
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: the production starts coming along from a Collers, don't don't
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: doubt it.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Just hop on board.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm at that point on all Brewers pitchers
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: kind of across the board that there's not one that
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I will like second guess what they're doing.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: We've got another transaction in Milwaukee. We're gonna stay there.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: South Fraylik hit the el with a shoulder injury. It
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: sounds like he's been battling it. And you know, even
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: for how soft of a hitter south Freylick was, it
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: certainly showed this year to that the max EV was
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: only it was like two ticks belows max EV from
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: last year. The barrel percentage was a little bit down.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: The WRC plus was down from one to fourteen to
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: seventy six. So I mean Max or south Fralick was
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: sitting right on that edge to be able to be
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: a major league hitter and the shoulder injury was sapping.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: That sounds like he I don't know if there's really
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: a great timeline on this, because the Brewers might just
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: kind of let him really recover all the way and
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: nurse his way all the way back to health, because.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: They've got some great options.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: That's where I want to focus this conversation, because I
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: thought the odds on Winter for the playing time would
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: be our boy Luis Laura, the switch hitting phenom that
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: has been recently promoted and was signed to that extension.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: But the beneficiary of this playing time has actually been
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Andrew Vaughn, where they've started playing Jake Bowers in the
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: outfield more to be able to shift things around. And
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Vaughan was stuck on a short side of a plot
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: tune there for a long time and now has really
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: carved out some great playing time. That handmate injury has
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: not stopped him at all in Milwaukee fifty nine games
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: with a three ZHO six three eighty eight eighty one
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: slash line the one forty WRC plus uh he is
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: smoking the ball pretty well that like he just watches
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: that bats he's locked in U. So, is are you
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: all back in on Andrew Vaughn even with that handmade
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: injury or are you still thinking, hey, Luis Laura, even
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: though he's on the bench right now, might be lurking,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: might be ready for that right field spot after he
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: gets used to, you know, knowing where his locker is
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: in the locker room.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is the weird one where I'm
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: actually excited about both. And the funny thing is even
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Bowers has actually looked a lot better than I think
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: people expected Pratt. Pratts has been has been decent. I
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: wish somehow that kicks Joey Ortiz out to some degrees.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: That just doesn't seem like the Brewiser ever to want
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: to fully benish Joey Ortiz. But yeah, Vaughan, like ever
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: since he's coming to Milwaukee, he's been a different hitter,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: even this year. Like the plate approach is just like phenomenal.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: He just feels looks so comfortable to plate. I know
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: that we've only got you know, one hundred and sixty
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: hundred and seventy at bats, but he just looked very
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: very comfortable, very solid, and we know that there's power
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: in that bat. So yeah, three homers in the season,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: finishing with fifteen, I'm actually not opposed to that. I
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: think it's very possible batting average continues to rise, which
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: like who thought Andrew Vaughn could be a batting average asset. No,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: but yeah, you have to like that profile. And like
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I said, Laura, I think he's just gonna find spots
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: to play because he is so gush our athletic that
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: he is a big part of their future. So they're
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: gonna keep slowly getting him into the games. They're gonna
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: he's gonna play all around the field to a degree.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: I think that they're gonna be really really happy with
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: him as well. So give me both. But I think
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: if I had to pick one for right now for
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: this season, is Vaughn.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's that's very fair.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: And I mean the other thing here too, is I
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: mean Vaughn is rapidly moving up like my twenty twenty
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: seven like star next to their name list as well,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: because like he's doing this still even though like he's
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: not showing signs of the handmade injury affecting him. You know,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: it is to some extent just because like it takes
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: time to build that strength back up in one's arm,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: in one's thirst, and so yeah, if he can post
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: and be decent through the rest of twenty twenty six,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I think the ear is up going into twenty twenty seven.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: On Andrew Vaughn where only twenty eight right now.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: So still relatively young that I think there's still enough
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: juice in this bat for the Brewers to extract. So
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: something to keep in mind going forward. Somebody else who's
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: kind of in the vein of Andrew Vaughn. Another corner
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: guy got called up this week. Tommy Tanks, Tommy White
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: from the Sacramento Athletics, came through LSU where he made
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: his name and earned them moniker. Tommy Tanks, you know,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: was just an absolute home run Maven when he was
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: in college. Has shifted certainly since he's gotten into the
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: affiliated league though, because the power hasn't quite been there
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: as much, and he's actually more of like a contact forward,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: batting average guy, a little bit like a pre breakout
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: like justin Turner, where the you do know that there's
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: latent power underneath there, but he's really made the conscious
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: choice to make sure that he's making contact and racking
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: up a decent batting average, which is so old school,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: but in across two levels, seventy six games before the
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: call up is a three h three three fifty three
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: four sixty five slash line. It was only a ninety
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: seven WRC plus because those are two pretty offensively heavy
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: environments there, so it doesn't stand out as much. But
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: did pick up ten homers and sixty four RBIs and
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: the seventy six games is getting the opportunity here with
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: the A's because of Nick Kurtz's injury with his thumb,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: and it looks like that thumb the update hasn't been
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: great on it. It's been actually pretty muted. And then
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: you also had Joshua Corona Gardner Grouer go down this
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: week with a ruptured testicle and subsequent surgery. So lots
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: of playing time here for Tommy White, even though might
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: not be how the A's wanted to draw it up
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: for him. He's been playing first base and third base.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: What's your take here on Tommy White? Because he was
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: a guy where when the draft happened. I remember discussing
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty four. I was like, hey, you
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: know what, look out for this guy. I think he's
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: not getting as much credit as he can and could
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: move pretty quickly through the system. So now he's arrived
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: and the A's have a lot of home games next
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: week too.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I do actually really like Tommy White.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: If you look at his prospects of on page, very
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: very strong. He's kind of a upper quartile kind of
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: hitter as far as exit velocity's hard hit rates. His
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: overall contact profile walks a little more than you want
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: to chase this a little bit more and you want
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: to overall, but generally pretty brushy gush on the solid
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: does not strike out much at all. And then if
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: you look at his minor league numbers, I know you
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: say the power has not really been there, but like
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: he's never really been at one stop too long, and
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: so it kind of gets masked that he's you know,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: getting like sixty seventy games to stop and pop in
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: ten twelve homers, and so you kind of double that
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: and he's a twenty homer bat hitting roughly three hundred
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: like throughout the minor leagues. Now, is that going to hold?
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: No?
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: But is this a guy that could you know, seize
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: himself into twenty homers with a two eighty average and
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: some regional accounting SATs with no speed. Yeah, Like, I
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: this is a really interesting corner and field profile and
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: that's that's where I think I position him as a
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: perspective corner infield bat and he could develop into more
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: because I do feel like the Athletics have gotten a
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: lot out of this kind of profile from all the
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: types of you know, Soderstroums and shaling of Leers and
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: guys like that which have this kind of power. First
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: with improving plate discipline profile Rooker similar thing as well,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: and with having a pretty solid plate discipline to start,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: I think they can get a little bit more on
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: the power side from White. So yeah, I'm interested. I'm in.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: I'm not like jumping to have my starting lineup, but
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: he is a really intriguing plug and play at this point.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially if he hits im proves himself while
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Kurtz is out. I mean, there's a DH spot open
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: because of Rooker being out. So there's certainly plenty of
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: runway here with the Athletics for Tommy White the rest
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: of the year. So very intriguing corner bat for sure. Okay, Well,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: if you're in those show notes, you were already clicking
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: in there to get to the Rasball post, you probably
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: already saw the Baseball card release calendar that's down there.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: A few updates, mostly the pre orders that we had
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: from previous pods have been locked in. They've got real
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: release dates. And then also because tops Chrome came out,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Panini was like, hey, don't forget about us. They threw
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Panini Prism on the schedule to come out in a
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks. So certainly going to be more overlooked
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: than TOPS Chrome. But we're going to take a little
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: bit of a break and we'll be back on the
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: other side to talk about a very very deep TOPS
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Chrome set. So stick around everybody, all right, Welcome back, everybody.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: We're going to dive right into the Tops Chrome twenty
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: twenty six checklist and overview. So like I said at
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: the top of the show, make sure you go into
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: those show notes, go to the link that will have
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: the related ras ball post. You'll be able to see
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: the designs of all the cards that we're about to
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: talk about. Because we've got a lot of cards to
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: talk about. I will say that that top Schrome is
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: a huge release on the calendar every year, and we
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: are speaking today on release day, July twenty second, although
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: over probably the last seven to ten days, cards have
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: certainly been leaking out on Reddit and eBay, just because
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: there are retailers out there that we're sitting on value
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: boxes blaster boxes that just didn't exactly know the date
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: to put them up, and that's how they get into
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: the public and so as well as I mean, I
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: think there was lots going on with Fanaticsfest over this
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: past week in New York and stuff was leaking out
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: that way as well. So we've got a very very
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: lengthy segment I think to cover all of the different
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: cards within this set can have a huge print run
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: and also a huge insert run like that is where
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: all the volume of talking is going to come from.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I can't remember the last time we've covered a set
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: that had this volume of inserts in it. I mean,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: it was probably like a Series one a couple of
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: years ago or something. But even on the flagship, it
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: does feel like Tops has been calling the number of
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: inserts a little bit. They must have just been saving
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: them all up for Tops Chrome, because we've got quite
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: the list of all of them. What's your take here,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: because it does seem like Tops Chrome is honestly starting
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: to move into like territory for Tops overall, that like
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: this is starting to become bigger than the Series One.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: It feels that way, especially with the way that this
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: product's been loaded, right.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely does. I mean the hobby has continued
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: to lean towards Chrome as being kind of the official
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: rookie cards and things like that, like the paper flagship
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: versions just not as much or as valuable. There's just
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: the demand for the chrome cards to just continued continue
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: to rise, just like the price of the cards themselves
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: to acquire continue to continue to rise. But it is
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: kind of like the premiere set for the standard collector
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: out there, Like it's a little slightly higher end, but
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: it's not like the complete feaster famine that is out
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: there with some of the much higher end products. And
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: there is just so much in this set, so much hope,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: so much as a chase where some sets like the
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: one or two cards kind of get pulled and you're like, yeah,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: the big ones are out there. There's big ones glower
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: in this There's so much to go after, so many
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: different inserts and autos and parallels. There's a few of them.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: If you're not living under a rock, you know that's
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: what's going to be happening with tops. But it also
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: tells you the print run is going to be pretty significant,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: So I have to imagine these are being ripped everywhere
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: if you're going to card shows over the next few months,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: you're going to find Tops Chrome twenty twenty six everywhere,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: ripped value boxes, things like that. But it is becoming
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: like to this point, I think one of the premier
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: releases for tops every year.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's get into some of the ways that
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: you can purchase it if you're out there looking for
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: stuff to rip. So you're gonna have jumbo boxes, hobby boxes,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: and then mega megaboxes and value boxes.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: The megaboxes will just.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Be larger versions of the value boxes essentially, where both
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: the values and the megas and I'll refer to values
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: as blasters as well. You'll hear us say that interchangeably.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: You'll find those in retail shelves. I don't know if
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: I've necessarily seen a great spot to buy megas, but
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: values are going to be running you like forty bucks
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: a pop. And that's on twenty eight cards, So right
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: off the bat, that shows you how expensive this that is.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: You're paying more than a dollar. It's like a dollar
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: forty ish per card on a retail environment, and that's
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: not guaranteeing you any sorts of hits at all. And honestly,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: you're probably gonna get pretty well skunked on that based
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: on my findings over the years on retail, but you
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: will run into a good parallel or a good insert
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: every odd once in a while. The hobby boxes right
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: now are going for somewhere in the range of like
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: three twenty five, three fifty on the secondary market right now,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: jumbos are hovering around the six hundred dollars mark. In
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: the hobby regulars, you're gonna get one auto in there.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: In the jumbos, it's two autos. The other thing to
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: keep in mind between hobbies and jumbos and the values
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: and megas, which i'll split now into retail and hobby.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: I guess I should have done that the other way around.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Hobby in retail, but Hobby is the hobby boxes and
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: jumbo boxes. Retail is value boxes and megaboxes. We've also
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: got splits in terms of what parallels are in each
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: product and inserts now, so that's a little bit bigger
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: wrinkled than we've had in the past, where there have
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: been certainly different parallels in the products, and maybe a
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: couple like one or two inserts that were especially retail only,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: but it's really split. Now we're gonna get into that
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: when we do the inserts that there are certain inserts
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: that are only in retail and some that are only
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: in the hobby products. So, given all those parameters, brew
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: with all those prices, what product would you be looking
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: at if you want to rip any this wax?
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean for me, it's probably gonna be the
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: retail side of it, Mega or blasters, value boxes, and
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: the main reason being you are over paying for the
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: auto in the hobby side of things. And the one
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: thing we do know from all the years of tops
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Chrome is the auto checklist is a minefield. It is
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: absolutely minefield. There's like ten or twelve guys that you
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: want from the auto checklist in like seventy three that
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: you don't, and you are hoping, hoping for the best,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: and you are gonna pull a Mideral Liever guaranteed every
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: single time. And so I think you still have decent
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: odds at big hits in megas and the blasters, and
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: I think you're gonna get more insert value in parallel
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: value at that level, And so that's probably where I
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: would be leaning. I think you get the pleasure of
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: opening three or four megaboxes for the cost of a
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: hobby box type of thing, and I think you'll do
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: just fine.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think I'm with you there that usually
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: we do shade like going towards the Jumbo to make
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: sure that you get the hits. But just because of
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: that's a lot to be shelling out for this Tops
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Chrome product and you're not getting a lot of volume,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: and you're not getting a lot of like just being
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: able to rip lots of different inserts and things like
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: that the way that you are maybe when you're talking
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: about getting a Jumbo from a flagship or a Bowman product.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: The other thing to keep in mind though, is Tops
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: did do one thing we've been suggesting over the years.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Obviously they're listening to this podcast and taking our feedback
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: to heart.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: Is that they have peeled out some of the autos.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: And it is especially like that tranch of guys that
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: we joke around about about, you know, being the middle
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: relievers that have like one game or maybe never make
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: it to the majors. They've moved a lot of those
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: into being retail only autos. That looks like so that
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: will help, I think from the hobby perspective, from the
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: hobby side certainly isn't going to kill you on the
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: retail side, but you still do have the opportunity, it
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: looks like to get some of the bigger autos, the
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: non retail autos still at relative similar rates to what
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: you did in the past. They are a little bit
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: more reduced. But part of that is also just because
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: of the volume here, because we were talking about it's
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: a lengthy checklist on both the three hundred cards set
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: and all the different parallels that we're going to get into,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: but the volume of inserts when you kind of combine
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: that all together. We haven't gotten the full like print
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: run calculus from whatever math nerds and geniuses that hang
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: out on Reddit to be able to figure that out.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: For me, that hasn't come out yet, but it is
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: going to.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Be a monumental print run because I will say, let's
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: get into it because there are some huge chases in
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: this product compared to what we've seen over the past
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: few years. Let's start off the bat. We have the
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: gold logoman cards again, so if you're not familiar with
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: this is they have the gold Batter MLB logo on
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: the back of the awards winners throughout the year. They
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: take those they're on field used, put them in a card,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: make them very short printed. Usually one of one's autographed.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: That's gonna honestly, the hit of this probably entire product
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: is there's a one of one back to back MVP
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: years for Otani twenty four and twenty five. He has
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: signed the top of it in his regular auto and
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: then in the bottom of it in his Kangi auto.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: So is that the hit of the entire product for
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: you this year?
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it has to be not only that
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: they took patches from games they need homeward to both games.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: One he had two homers in it, and so they
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: took these patches from the September seventh, twenty twenty five game,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: and actually earlier this year April twelve, twenty twenty six,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: so it's actually twenty five to twenty six where they
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: actually took those patches from. And so at least that's
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: what they say. But then on the card it actually
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: says twenty four and twenty five MVP, so we'll see.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: That's what Beckett says, is they have the dates potentially
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: different than the card, so that's a little mystery out there,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: But yeah, we know how Rare Otani's kanji autographed is.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: People want that so badly, but they have it on
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: a duel one of one gold logo Man from MVP
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: seasons and then Homer games Man that They're like, this
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: is a potentially a million dollar card and I don't
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: think that's an under cell, and so I think it's
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: a great, great chase and this is gonna be the
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: one that everybody is trying to get.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if I had to make one tweak to it,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: I would put one of them with the picture of
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Otani pitching, like I don't know how you missed that,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: where the one on the photo on the top is
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: him in the batter's box and then the one on
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: the bottom is him it looks like on the bases
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: and kind of like looking over his shoulder. If they
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: made that a pitching photo, like unstoppable, that like this
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: becomes an all time card. It already is, but yeah,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: they could have pushed it to that next level. This
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: one will be in the rasbell post, so check it
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: out there. The other major hits that we got, they
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: stuck this in last year where I don't think it
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: was really well publicized, or at least we didn't talk
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: about it, but they've been doing these Cooperstown call cards
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: where the new inductees from the Hall of Fame get
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: a card in an insert and last year they only
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: ran blues of the new Hall of Famers, and they're
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: doing it this year where the new Hall of Famers
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: only get blues, but last year's get greens, and they're
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: running it down from there. So if you want the
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: full rainbow of this card set, you have to collect
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: over six years, starting from blue, green, gold, orange, black,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: red super Fractor, so you have to go through the
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: entire six year progression to be able to get all them.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: It is cool, it's a little gimmicky for me because also,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: like you're talking about cards of retired players, which just
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: normally don't do well as well as like players that
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: are active unless you're talking on King Griffy Junior Auto,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: then the rules do I apply? But what's your thought here,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: because I know you're also not a huge fan of
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: like guy getting cards of guys who are retired and
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: But does the gimmick work for you?
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a big fan of cards from your playing
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: days and not the legends on current I want to
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: call wax not wax but current modern cards and so
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: not only that, but the design is pretty rough, like
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: is not a is it boring design? It feels like
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: tops gallery or something like that. It's just it's it's
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: not great. And then to say it's like if you
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: go over the seven year period, like if it's your PC, guy,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: I could see having some fun over the years, just
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: trying to slowly collect it every year. But it's it's
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: like it's destined for heartbreak at the end of it,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: because you know, there's multiple folks trying to go after
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: this rainbow and there's only one one card at the
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: end of the rainbow type of thing, and uh, waiting
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: seven years. Man, that's that's a lot. That's asking a
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: lot from collectors.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also like it it creates like it could
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: create friction within the hobby community because usually when you're
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: talking about like the level of collectors where you have
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: the same PCs and they're big guys, those guys know
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: each other like they cross paths, chasing for the same
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: of fives of ones and trying to build rainbows on
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: top of each other and stuff, and we'll just kind
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: of have a dialogue or a rivalry, and so it
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: feels like you're really opening everybody up for that, especially
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: you know we're going to be getting towards the end
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: of the Ichiro one in twenty twenty nine and twenty thirty.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: They're setting this up well.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: I think for Poohols coming through is a big one,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: and Trout eventually, and those guys have big PC collectors
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: out there, so it's going to be fascinating to see
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: how those communities get along as any of them are
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: maybe chasing this rainbow over multiple years. The other big
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: hits that we have, we talked about this when it
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: came out a few weeks ago. The Minions short prints
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: there are they're just as popular as I thought they're
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: going to be. Looks like they're printed to one hundred.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: There's only four of them, Aaron Judge, Juan Soto, Paul Skenes,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: and Roman Anthony. And if you do pull one of these,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: do not think it's a cheap ot gimmick card. It
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: looks like I mean, they're gonna be worth thousands of dollars.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: I think because of the cross functional nature of this
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: collecting on top of like the the generation that was
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: like born into the Minions is starting to come into
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: their like mid to late twenties, I think, so they're
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: starting to get some money and like collect this kind
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: of stuff, So they're starting to really get into it
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: as well. As there's a cross sports function in terms
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: of like the way that these are being collected and produced.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: So there's gonna be NBA ones and NFL one so
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: collectors across all sports are gonna want Minions cards.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: And they're hilarious.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: I like these, I think they're great, but yeah, if
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: you do pull one, it is one of the bigger
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: hits of the entire product. You're sitting on a cool
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: couple thousand dollars, especially if it's a Judge one. I
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: think the Judge one's going to be the most collectible.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: It's kind of got the best photo on it too.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: So any new thoughts on these Minions cards now that
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: you're seeing the prices of them on eBay?
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, what's funny like that there's one auction right
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: now for over one thousand dollars with four days left,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: but there's actually three that sold all kind of like
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: best offer at thirteen hundred and so they clearly went
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: for a little bit less than that, and everything else
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: listed is three thousand or better. And so I think
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: people actually, to your point, sold low on these and
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: thought they got like a crazy deal, like they were
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: ripping these get him before released day. Man, I've just
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: made bank with this. I don't think they realized how
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: rare these things are and they are going to go
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: for crazy dollar amounts. And yeah, they're they're all fun.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: The schemes is a cool card. You know, it's the Sodo. Honestly,
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: I think the Sodo might be the one to have
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: because we got the Sodo shuffle going on, and it's
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: so like they're funny, they're gimmicky. Would I ever keep
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: one of these? Now? Would would not, but I would
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: gladly cash it him for a good two three thousand dollars.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: And I do think there's there's going to be a story.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: There's going to be a story where somebody pulls one
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: of these and gives it to a kid, doesn't realize it.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: They have type of thing, and there's gonna be drama.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Tops was just setting us up.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I mean we still got more hits to cover,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: like huge chase cards. We've got the MVP buybacks. They're
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: back again. So that is both the reinsertion of last
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: year's buybacks from twenty twenty five of those Judge Judges
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: and Otani's where they've been re stamped and redistributed. Some
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: of them will be autographed. Those will be huge chase cards.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: They always are. Now what's gonna make this year fascinating
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: is I don't know if we've got great leaders in
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: the clubhouse for the MVP buybacks. So if you're not
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: familiar with this, what this program is or was, is
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: that a couple of years ago, Tops absolutely botched the
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: rollout of the TOPS Chrome product. To make up for it,
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: they put out a program where they were giving redemptions
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: for the base all the way through the lowest numbered
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: cards in the rainbow of the the MVPs from that year,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: where you know, you could take it into your local
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: hobby shop just exchange it straight up for cash essentially
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: in terms of products back, and it's been a big
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: winner from there. Tops collected the cards, took them out
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: of print, and then has put a stamp on them
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: re released them into the TOPS Chrome cards. So this year,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: like I said, it's gonna be obviously Otani is gonna
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: be a big one on the NL side, but on
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: the AL side, well, actually, I mean I should mention
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: PCA too.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: He just pulled the.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: War lead in the NL and major leagues overall, so
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: he'll be right there in the NL, but it's pretty
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: open in the AL that it's gonna come down the stretch.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: I think this is gonna be fun, though, because unlike
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: the past couple of years where we knew upon release
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: like who the MVP was going to be, this year
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: there's a little bit more intrigue. So there's gonna be
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: a little bit more fun in terms of trying to
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: figure out the market over the next month or so
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: and then really go a whole hog on one of
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: the MVP candidates on the AL.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: So what do you think. Are you looking forward to
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: a real MVP buyback chase this year?
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: I want to say yes, but I think you're forgetting
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: that Ordn Alvarez has been so good that Vegas already
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: has n't it like a a negative to one fifty
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: one sixty with Bobby Witt being the second front runner
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: for MVP, and then Caman Yiero and Ben Rice and
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: so I agree with you. It feels like it should
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: be more wide open, but it's it's like Alvarez has
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: put himself in a tier kind of by himself right now,
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: and the market is already kind of there, Like his
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: base cards are being listed for like fifteen bucks from
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: top scrome already, and then the next you can tell
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: like the canon yaros when rices and stuff like aren't
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: getting that attention. So the hobby's already kind of decided
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: that this is gonna be yourn Vegas says, that's who
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: they think it's going to be. I don't think it's
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: as locked in as that that sounds to your point,
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: ord On, like if there's anybody that can watch this
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: on the way in, it could be word On stubbing
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: his toe out of the locker room type of thing.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: So like, this is far from far from over. But
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: the Bobby with injury I think, really kind of opened
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: that up. Open the door show, hey, Like we might
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: as well just call this the show. Hey, buy back
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: at this point in the mL.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Peter Armstrong has a good chance at
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: this point, but let's see if he can keep it up.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Maybe some dark horses, if you're looking for some dark
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: horses in the al I'm just looking at the Fangraff's
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: War leader board. Third in the al right now is
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Dylan Dingler. I don't it could happen, but who knows.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: I think homeward again tonight, so yeah, I.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Mean the defense is amazing, like he might outwoar rd On,
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: but it'll be a tough sell I think for MVP voters.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Junior Cam and Arrow's right there. Ben Rice is a
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: pretty good dark horse candidate. Launched his thirtieth Homer today
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: and Wilson Contrares is up there too, So especially if
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: the Red Sox today, hot might be a couple of cheap.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: Guys to chase.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: One last chase card to discuss, So if you're counting
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: at home, that is five bullet points of chase cards.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Usually we barely have like one R two, So that
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: shows you how loaded tops Chrome is. Jerry Seinfeld. He's
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: got autographs again in this product, especially a Chrome Superfractor
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: that's going to be another big chase card. So just
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: throwing that out there after he's been in Flagship recently.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: Let's get into the set itself. So, like I said,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: it's a three hundred card set, and I believe I
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: counted properly, and this is also a situation where it's
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: kind of a moving target in terms of the number
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: of parallels, but I think it's fifty parallels, and that
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: is a mix between hobby and retail, and I'm not
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: even counting there's other variations that you can consider, but
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: these variations are not for every single card out there
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: that's a limited set. Usually stuck with the Stars and
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: the rookies are lightboards, image variation, short prints and super
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: short prints and an Awards Winners variations, which obviously is
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: the Rookie of the Year, MVP CY Young Winners from
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: the previous year. Those will be your different variations on
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: top of the other fifty I should also I shouldn't
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: have glossed over probably for those rookies, because that's another
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: reason the hype on this product is just otherworldly right now.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is I didn't even like pick out
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: all of the rookies, but here's the list of guys
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: that I was when I was skinning through the list
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: are in this product and are like pretty solid rookie
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: cards to keep stash away and even kind of like
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: will move for some money right now in the market.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: You're looking at Munatakamarakami, Jacob Missirowski, Connor Griffin, Kevin McGonagall,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: JJ weatherhol Cam Schlitzler, Colson Montgomery, Jack Kaglion, Roman, Anthony
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: Nolan McLain, Bryce Aldrich, Samuel Basil, Carter Jensen, Trey Ya Savage,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: Carson Bench, Peyton, Tolly, Parker, Massik, Chase the latter. They're
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: all in this set that like they are not holding
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: anything back for Top's Chrome update this year, to have
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: all of those big rookies between griff and McGonagall and
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Weatherholt who haven't been in series one, series two, and
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: then just the the miz Man. The Miz is on
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: such a tear. He's maybe like the hottest name in
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: the hobby behind like Otani right now and maybe cond
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: of Griffin, but like miss cards are doing work out
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: there right now in the field, and he's got a
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: whole suite of autographs and everything else in this product.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: I've been setting it up for you, letting you catch
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: your breath. You ready for those fifty variations. If you're
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: looking to do a miss Rainbow out.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: There, I'm not ready, but we're gonna try it. I
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: was actually just looking at the rookies that you missed
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: because the list goes on Chase, Chase Burns. You didn't
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: say like Chase, Yeah, there's this is loaded from a workie.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: I know, I kind of poop pooed on the autographs earlier,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: which I'm going to stand behind looking at the retail
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: autograph list, But man, this this one, like this is
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: one of those products you can see people holding sealed
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: for years and then coming back and saying, like the
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: value in this thing because you end up with a
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: Hall of Famer or something like that out of it,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: It would be incredible.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: But I will say, like that said with that point,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: that is a good point because when we were talking
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: about the prices of the boxes earlier, those aren't gonna
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: come down anytime soon. Usually those crash pretty quick on chrome.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: But because of this loaded checklist of rookies, I don't
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: people are gonna stuff this stuff away and like want
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: to sit on it, especially given what some of the
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: sealed products of Otani rookie cards are going for. Now
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: that list the number of rolls of the dice that
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: you get of like one of them being an absolute
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: superstar incredible?
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: All right, ready for this, I am I am all right, Well,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: this is gonna be a little fun because we also
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: have all the variations. Like you said, not all these
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: coming all products. So I'm gonna do my best to
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: give you give you the the insight here, but your
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: base set parallels. We have baseball seams refractor if you've
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: seen that one actually looks pretty cool. Red color match
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: cards is great. That's an a value boxes one out
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: of eight packs. There geometric refractors coming from Delight negative
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: refractors actually a much more rare than people realize. Those
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: are coming out of values in three hundred and seventy three,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: but also comes across every other product. Prison refractors coming
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: out of Hobby, ray waves coming out of value, red, white,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: and blue refractors coming out of value. You have your
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: just standard refractors across all the products. You got your
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: tops refractor tops, refractor blue coming out straight out of
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: the Fanatics products. Only wave refractors coming from Jumbos X
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: fractors coming from Megas as usual. Then we finally get
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: into the number of cards. So we've got our pink
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: refractors out of two fifty, Aqua refractors out of one
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: ninety nine. Those are across all products. Then you have your
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: Aqua ray wave refractors out of value boxes, Aqua X
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: fractors out of one ninety nine out of megas blue
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: refractors coming out of one to fifty, blue ray waver
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: refractors on one fifty, blue wave refractions on one fifty,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: and X blue X fractors out of one fifty. They
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: sprinkle those across all the different products as well. Then
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: you have your greens out of ninety nine for your refractor, geometric,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: ray wave, wave and X fractors. You have your seventy
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: fifth anniversary refractors out of seventy five across all your products,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: Purple refractors out of seventy five, the purple geometric, ray wave,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: wave and extractors all out of seventy five. Then you
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: get into your golds gold refractors, true gold out of fifty,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: gold geometrics, gold ray wave, gold wave and gold extractors
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: also out of fifty. You have a white refractor coming
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: across all your products out of thirty. So that's a
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: twist free you this time around. I don't recall that
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: one in the past, but where we got.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: It, Yeah, that was in last year.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: We call those, okay, I just don't recall that. We'll
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: call it the white whale for everybody else out there,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: but orange refractors out of twenty five, the geometric ray
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: wave wave and extractors all out of twenty five. Then
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: you have your black out of tens or out of
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: fifty if you want to look at it that way,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: because there's five different variations black refractors out of ten,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: geometric ray wave wave and X fractors. You have your
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: reds out of five. That's your pure refractor, your geometric
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: end wave. Then you have your frozen fractors still in
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: the the chrome products out of negative five. Uh so
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: there's we're missing five of those currently. And then you
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: have a sneaky tide refractors out of two. That's an
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: interesting one to tell me. Was that in there last
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: year and I'm forgetting this as well as TIDI out
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: of two in there. I don't recall.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: Tide variation, but it wasn't that.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: Low, I don't think.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: So.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: Then we finished up with our usual ur printing plates,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: all four of those, and then the super fractor one
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: of one's just to give you an idea of print
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: run if we really want to work things back. Your
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: super fractors out of your values one out of one
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty five thousand, six hundred and thirty four.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: I do also want to understand how they do these
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: odds across four products when you have one card, and
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: how there's odds for your Mega Delight, Hobby, Jumbo and
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: value because you can only get in one. How can
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: you have odds across all five? That's just me. There's
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: your fifty parallels.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, fifty ish because I'm also like, I didn't, I
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: just got because I'm looking at like different lists and
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: different ones have different refractors, because I think we keep
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: uncovering more refractors as the day goes on, and especially like, yeah.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: So we will see what the entire rainbow is. Like,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's possible to even do a rainbow nowadays.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: So if you're a rainbow chaser, try to like find
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: one maybe like groove to stick in in terms of
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: like ray waves or geometrics or just plain color that
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: like that's probably the best way to play.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: You could give it a shot, but that way lies badness,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: my friend.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: I honestly think you're better off just doing a full
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: set of three hundred cards of refractors or extractors or
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: something like that. I think that's probably a better way
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: to go at this point than trying to do the
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: rainbow of any player.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that would be more fun and
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: more enjoyable anyway, to be able to tuck away something
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: like that, especially if you tucked away like a whole
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: refractor set of this set with these rookies. Ooh, Buddy's
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: that's a big one to have in your collection. Okay, well,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: let's get into some of the hits. Let's get into
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: those autographs that we've got. Not really any memorabilia patch
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: cards here in tops Chrome autographs of the name of
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: the game. Really the only relic cards are those Goldman
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: Cold Logo Man Auto patch autos, so you're not looking
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: at anything else what you will be looking for in
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: terms of the autos now these there is like a
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: split here, i'd say, in terms of tops Chrome, where
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: you have some autographs that are pretty much like that
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: card only comes in the autograph design, and then you've
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: got another kind of entire track of cards where you
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: just have the inserts and there's an auto on it.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: So I think the ones that people prefer are the
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: ones that obviously come in autos only, but the ones
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: that are inserts and autos are extremely hard to hit,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: so they're very collectible and they can look pretty cool
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: to varying on what design of the insert it is,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: so on the pretty much auto's only design. What you're
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: looking at are those chrome rooky autos that you're talking about.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: You're gonna have the different list between hobby and retail,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: so keep that in mind as you're ripping out there.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: They do have a much more extensive it feels like
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: Legends auto lists, where you know, this will be on
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: the base tops chrome design, but it'll have a throwback
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: player they've also incorporated usually they don't do this a lot,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: but they've also incorporated just other active players that are
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: in the auto list, and so that will give a
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: little bit more of a boost to this. I think overall,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: you've also got some dual autos of You've got World
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: Series Champions autos of the Dodgers, You've got nineteen ninety
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: one thirty fifth Anniversary design autos. So that's you know,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: a little bit more of the crossover though. Then two
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: more exclusive kind of autos.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: One is ink.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: Strokes, which actually it's well designed I will give them
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: credit for this that it it has a feel of
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: like a much more high end product, like a Tier
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: one or museum collection or black chrome. If you go
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: to the post in Raswall, I found there's one name
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: that stands out from the checklist of the the ink
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: strokes that is maybe worse than all the others. It's
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: a Jake Mangum in the Devil Rays in the rays
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: like in Jersey, not even the buyer Jersey as he's
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: broken out.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: It's kind of funny.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: Because it's a loaded list in terms of ink strokes.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: It's lots of stars, lots of legends, and then Jake Mangum.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: So that's a funny one. Somebody's trying to sell it
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: for two hundred bucks on eBay. Good luck to them.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: You've also got the seventy fifth anniversary Diamond autos and
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: chromographs is back.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: Those are going to be pretty popular.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: In terms of the inserts, it looks like you got
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: autos of future stars, perspectives, radiating Rookies, numbers, Live Live Forever,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: and the Cooper's Town calls.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: So what stands out here for you in terms of
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: the autographs.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a few that stand out. Like
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: you said in strokes, looks pretty pretty cool. Chromographs, I
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: believe if I was looking correct, he out of ten chromographs.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: Those have been around for a number of years, So
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: not just out of ten. There's Oriente out of twenty five,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: Black out of ten, Red out of five, the super fractors,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: the chromographs. But a strong checklist and those really cool cards.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: But probably what stutts out to me the most is perspectives.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: And to say that about the insert sales card, I
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: absolutely love perspectives. It's such a unique thing. And the
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: concept of perspectives is it's a different photo angle of
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: the player, and so think like maybe this is our
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: stadium club lovers coming out to a degree, but it's
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: it's generally a photo of a player from like a
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: bird's eye view or maybe from the field level looking up,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: and it's got their name kind of uh like super
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: imposed across the field, giving you like a different perspective.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: And so those cars just absolutely pop and uh it,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: they're they're very cool. So seeing those with autos I
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: think are going to be really really collectible. I think
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: the other pieces you're gonna get is those legend autos
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: and the World Series champions. I think you mentioned the
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: World Series Champion being all Dodgers when I was looking
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: at the checklist. It's not okay, it is across the board,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: and so I need to look up some of these,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: but it is like I'm just gonna read some random
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: names from the checklist. Alex Gordon, Andy Pettitt, Anthony Rizzo,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: Bly Levin, Dustin Pedroia uh Pad Rodriguez, Marion Rivera, Ozzy Smith,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: Paul O'Neil, Steve Carlton, Tim Salmon, Mark Burley, Like it's
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: all World Series Champions, and like I said, I need
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: to find some of the cards to look at to
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: see if there's a certain reason that these guys got picked,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: or if it's just we went you know, last twenty
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: World Series and or thirty three or thirty three cards
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: and just pick somebody out for that. But I think
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: that's going to be a cool one as well.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there is also an all Dodgers twenty twenty five
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: World Series Champion autograph checklist.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: Too, sooth.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's both just kind of speaks to how
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: many different sets and subsets there are in this But yeah,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: I think we'll get into it a little bit on
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: the insert side too, but the perspectives really pop. The
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: other thing that I do want to highlight too is
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: it's buried in the Chrome Legend autographs, but you do
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: have a Barry Bonds auto in there. I don't know
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: if Barry Bond's ever actually signed an on card TOPS
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: Chrome designed autograph back in the day, and it's kind
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: of something that's gotten lost in the shuffle at twenty
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: twenty six that Barry Bonds came back to Tops and
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: has been signing for Tops. But that that's also going
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: to be a huge chase because we haven't had Barry
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: Bonds signing Tops Chrome in forever, probably thirty ish years
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: or so, so that's going to.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: Be a huge chase within there. And I'm scanning through.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: The other thing is like you always kind of have
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: to scan through the Legends one to see if there's
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: anybody who's like passed in between like signing and being released,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: and I don't think we have anybody, so nothing that
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: kind of falls into that Where Ricky Henderson that kind
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: of happened a little bit with Update Chrome I think
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: coming out a couple of years ago, where it was
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: certainly the last set of cards that he was probably
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: signing on cards. So yeah, we've got lots of lots
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: and lots of autos. It's an extensive checklist enough that
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: they were able to stuff retail only one.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: So something to keep in mind.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: Let's get to those inserts because it's a lot. Like
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: I said, if you've gone to the raswall post and
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: looked at all the cards there, there are dozens of
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: inserts that I've laid out, so you've ran through all
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: the list. So I'll take all these inserts and try
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: to run through. I did my best to split what
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: was new and what is kind of like a returning
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: and kind of standard portion of TOPS.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: So I will.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: Start first with the new, take a little bit of
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: a break to see which one of those really intrigue you,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: and then we'll get into the returning.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: And old ones.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: So from the new side, we have one called Wrecking Crew. Now,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: this is a part of the actual nineteen ninety six
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: TOPS Chrome release. It is actually the thirtieth year of
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: TOPS Chrome, which is something they didn't really do. I
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: think a great job of highlighting, which is strange. But
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: that is an original insert design from ninety six. They
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: brought it back now for twenty twenty six.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: It's great. I love it.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: It's super nineties and it's just like so perfectly shiny.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: You've also got Past a Present, which is another throwback
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: to two thousand and one. And what you have there
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: is it's going to be one team. For example, the
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: one that's really in the PROB materials is of Mookie
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: Betts and Jackie Robinson, and they're just on the same card,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: you know, harkening the through lines of teams and their
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: past history. You've got Diamond Moments, which is just a
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: card that highlights the moment. It's nothing really too fancy.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: I think it's gonna especially pop in the parallel colors.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: You'll see a picture of a super refractor of that
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: on the tops site and on our rasball post Static Noise.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: This one's actually a retail only super short print. It's
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: got like it's trying to emulate static from a TV set,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: which I mean half of the people in like that
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: exist in the world don't even know that what I'm
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: talking about with that anymore. But like it's little lines
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: on the card with the refractor pattern. I think it
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: is going to be a pretty cool insert, and it
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: seems to be selling pretty well on eBay, a little
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: bit of like a crossover between the like Spotlight from
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: Bowman as well as the ones that involved like the
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: insides of the rocks. You've got Perspectives, which you talked about.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: It's back after a ten year break, wildly popular, moving
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: very well on eBay right now. We have Shadow Etch
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: as well too, which is it's it's a geometric kind
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: of X design in the background. Looks like it's almost
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: like a tops gallery of your or something in terms
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: of like a separate set. Pretty clean, pretty nice. We
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: have wild Style, which is, let's just puke up a
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: Nickelodeon gut set up onto a card like it's just
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: in pure nineties design. Lots of geometric patterns.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: Bowmen's best called Monster cards. Back on that one, yes, exactly.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: And then the other new one that we have is
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: Chrome Rivals. And this is what I was talking about,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: where they've really.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: Split the the.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: Retail and the hobby inserts, where the home cards will
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: only be in hobbies and jumbo boxes in the away
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: cards are only in retail boxes, and they kind of
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: line up together. So if you're on the Raspball post,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: you'll see a picture of Sayas and Zuki and Christian
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: Yelich kind of going face to face. But the design
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: works when you line up the cards, that creates one
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: card the way, kind of like Triumvirance where it has
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: worked in stadium clubs. So you're gonna it's just a
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: little twist to get that little set up together if
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: you want the entire set. So what stands out to
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: you here from these newer inserts.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I already exposed my preference for perspectives,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: won't go back there. I do think Wrecking Crew is
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: a good one. It harkens back to your point in
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: the nineties, the which one was it? The not static
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: noise was was was? It was an interesting kind of
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: kind of views as you look at it as a
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: as a kind of a cool card, but probably not
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: the one that you're gonna want to jump on all
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: the time. And then the past to present, uh, is
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: kind of interesting one. But I think it is gonna
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: have a little gimmicky just depending on the players that
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: that are are used. Your shadow atch might be the
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: other kind of dark horses. Maybe not the the right
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: term for it. It is a case hit is considered
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: a case hit within the within the product and It
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: is a really kind of clean design that that I
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: really like. It's kind of kind of like a X
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: behind that player and a nice little rectangular border, So
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: very clean card. But it's it's one of those that
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: it's almost basic enough. I think people are gonna miss that.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: It is a case hit and a very very rare card,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: so I think that's gonna be a sneaky one for
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: folks as well as as a shadow atch Wild Style.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: Like I said, you said, that one's just crazy. It's
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: out there. It almost doesn't fit the rest of them.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: But overall with these new ones, I know we've kind
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: of been rough on Tops. They did a pretty gosh
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: on good job here, and even the ones that are cheaper,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: like the Chrome Rival things like that Past to Present,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: they're still pretty good cards. And there's doesn't seem to
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: really be a full clunker anywhere in here. Even the
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: Wild Style, it's just so far out there that it
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: kind of works. So I'm giving some kudos to Tops
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: on the on the new inserts of they're bringing. They
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: did a pretty part good job this time.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they did.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: It feels like they really kind of loaded it all
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: up into this set, which I mean I it also
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: just kind of speaks to they're also trying to flash it,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: I think, in front of your eyes to let you
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: overlook like how big the base print run is. Because
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: to be able to get all these inserts in all
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: the products across the board, you've got to have enough
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: bass cards to spread them out. So something to keep
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: in mind where like, yeah, it is gonna be cool
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: and it's gonna be flashy to hit these inserts a
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: lot of them. Also, unless they're the case hits are
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: not going to hold their value very well. So if
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: you do flip them open and you see and especially
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: I think like Chrome rivals are. Let's get into some
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: of the returning ones where I think this is really
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: going to apply, you know. The one that I'm especially
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: thinking of is the Return of Future Stars. It is
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: a set that's in every tops Chrome every year in
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: Tops Chrome. People sell it for a decent amount of
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: money within the first week or two while it's released,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: and they totally bottom out when people realize like this
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: thing is essentially like Stars and MLB from Flagship, where
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: there's tons and tons of Future Stars. The other one
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: that's in that vein is nineteen ninety one thirty fifth anniversary,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: where especially like the chrome Bojo ones were much rarer
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: when they were in Flagship. Now it's just a standard
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: refractor insert. So a cool card, but not going to
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: be the most valuable when out there other returners, we
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: have World Series at Night. This was actually new last year.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: We were disappointed last year. I'm still disappointed in it.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: It looks like you've like it's crossing like the grid
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: of a city against the player's face, and it's in
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: black and white, and it just like it makes their
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: face all craggy, and it's it's not the greatest design
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: fanatical which used to be in Flagship as an insert,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: it's got a little bit of like an Opening Day
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: vibe to it, red, white and blue, just kind of
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: a cool shot of whatever the player is that's fanatical
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: on it. You've also got helix returning, where you've got
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: the color variations in the backgrounds. I will say that
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: in this set it seems like they're leaning a little
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: bit more into trying to hit some of the older
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: stars with helix that you know obviously weren't included in
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: prior ones. So you know you've got Willie May's Roberto
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: Clemente Hank Aaron Sandy Kofax in this set, which I
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: think are going to be very popular. You've got the
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: World Series Champions inserts, You've got Ultra Violet inserts, which
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: I do want to get to your take right away
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: on this one because they changed it. The past couple
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: of years, the Ultra Violet set has been like sixties
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: groovy and cartoony and like all these bright colors, and
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: I think the cartoon motifs where they actually had like
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: car tuned renderings of the players where not in like
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: a exaggerated way, it's just like they were. It creates
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: some funny looking faces, I think, especially when you would
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: like it's akin to like when you're watching NFL games
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: on Fox and they've got those goofy like cartoon if
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: I players. That's what it is, and that's what it
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: was on Ultra Violet. Now they've changed it into like
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: a kind of dark and stormy, lots of just rushes
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: and kind of an anime sort of feel almost to
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: it too.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: What's your take here?
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: Because I liked the old Ultra Violet and them breaking
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: up that pattern, I think it's gonna not sit quite
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: as right with the Hobby when those ultra violets were popular.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well I actually didn't really care for the whole ultraviolet,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: so I think it's actually a win for me. That said,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: it's if I combine some things. It's like cosmic Chrome
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: plus Finest and AI put together, Like is kind of
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: like what went on here, Like they they just tried
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: to apply too many things to it. You've got multiple
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: views of the player. There's just so many lines and
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: squiggles and borders and numbers and like, there's just a
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: lot of a lot going on to it. So it
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: is interesting. Again, this is like a very rare card,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: so that you know they're going to go for a lot.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: It's just I don't quite get there as far as
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: what they were trying to do. It feels like they
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: took some good designs from across the products and they
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: kind of tried to work them together and they didn't
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: quite quite quite flow. So I'm okay that they've gone
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  Speaker 2: away from the old version, but I'm not sure I
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  Speaker 2: love the new version either.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they've also actually I should have put this
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  Speaker 1: one into the new We've got Hobby Masters, which the
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  Speaker 1: actual like design of.
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  Speaker 3: It is.
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  Speaker 1: Certainly new. I think they've had Hobby Masters of the years.
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  Speaker 1: It kind of comes in and out, so it straddles
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  Speaker 1: the line between new and old. This design once again,
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  Speaker 1: i will state this tops. Just backtops gold label. You
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  Speaker 1: keep trying to re emulate it in different super short
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  Speaker 1: print cards. Just bring back gold label. People love gold label,
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  Speaker 1: they will buy it. So that's what it is. It
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  Speaker 1: looks like if you took gold label, but the player
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  Speaker 1: died and went to heaven. That's the vibe of Hobbymasters
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  Speaker 1: this year. And it is a super short print, so
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  Speaker 1: going to be a pretty rare card, going to go
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  Speaker 1: for a decent amount of money. Expose is back. Last
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  Speaker 1: year it was not it did not look good. It
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  Speaker 1: looks a lot cleaner. Now this year it looks like
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  Speaker 1: there's like a lot of bubbles around a car around
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  Speaker 1: the player essentially, but they're you know, changing colors and refractory.
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  Speaker 1: It's a much more well designed card that is a
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  Speaker 1: super short print as well.
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  Speaker 3: Going to go for a lot of money.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: You have big Ticket as a as a standard kind
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  Speaker 1: of insert now where this was in Flagship, so it's
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  Speaker 1: just the chrome version of that from Flagship where it's
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  Speaker 1: a ticket design and yep, they put it into a
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  Speaker 1: Baseball all player radiating rookies is back. This one, I
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  Speaker 1: think is a standard now going forward. Is essentially like
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  Speaker 1: a lava lamp sort of design with a bunch of
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: like different tied I expects to it too. You're gonna
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: have the run of some big rookies with different color variations.
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  Speaker 1: Those are gonna be very popular, probably gonna end up
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: in some of our PC picks for the Pod in
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: the future. And then you've got Finatics Authentics redemptions, which
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: are just redemptions for Fanatics gear. So what stands out
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  Speaker 1: to you from some of these returning inserts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Helix. Helix is really just strong card. It
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: is trying to compete with like color blasts and things
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: like that from Pinini, which has a hit across a
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: lot of other sports. Future Stars. You kind of were
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: a little sour thought that I actually like the design
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: this year though it feels like that they improve the design.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: It's still gonna be cheap, it's sti gonna be overproduced,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: but it feels like they actually improve the design. So
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: I'm a little bit more okay with that. And then
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: you know, expose I want to say this again, I
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: said this earlier about Wild Style, I feel like they
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: went to Bowman's Best again and pull another card with xpos.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: It definitely has a little that Bowman's Best kind of
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: vibe going again. So there's a few of them that
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: I think are are pretty pretty good hits here. Big
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: Ticket to Me is actually one of the lower ones.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: Like it just feels it feels like very much a
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: Pinini insert, and like it just if anything feels overproduced
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: in this one, it's that one. It just it feels
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: very gimmicky and doesn't feel like it fits. It's like
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: it's lower than for me than future Stars by a
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: decent decent range. So again I think they returned to
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: some really good ones. There's only one or two clunkers
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: in here overall, so a lot of great sets to
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: put together. And again I think the warning I have
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: is be careful with the inserts. It is really really
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: hard this year to tell the difference between a rare
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: insert and a regular insert because the designs they did
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: a good job on all of it. That it is,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: there's gonna be these situations. Like I said with Etch,
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  Speaker 2: I think it will happen with Ultra Violet. I think
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: there's gonna be a fume there that they sneak into
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: the just bargain bins because people do not realize.
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  Speaker 3: What they have. Yeah.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: The other one that actually might end up there, I
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: actually missed it in the rundown because I figured this
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: would happen with the number of inserts is the Numbers
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: Live Forever set, which is actually it's just two cards.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: It's Billy Williams and Wade Boggs. I mentioned it during
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: the autos, but because they were both twenty six number
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: twenty six, they got like their own set of cards
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: where it's hearkening back a little bit to like the
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: Bowman First Legends that they were doing. But yeah, I
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: think they're trying to make this a staple now going forward,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: where you know they were both number twenty six. We'll
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: see twenty sevens next year, which means Mike Trout that
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: they're setting this up in tops chrome every year. But
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: the autos there will be the bigger chases. They do
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: also have a base card to them with a Rainbow
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: run behind it as well too, so something to keep
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: in mind.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm kind of out of breath, I don't know
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: about you.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: A lot of that was a lot but I feel
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: like I like Tops Chrome more after the more we
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: talked about like it. We know it's gonna be overprinted,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: we know it's to be overproduced, but like I do
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: feel like ripping it. You're gonna be relatively happy with
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: what you get because the quality of the cards and
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: the quality inserts did pretty well. I even think they
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: did a decent job on some of the chases. So
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: I'm actually a little more positive about it as we
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: finish up here. But yeah, there was a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think if anything, it's also gonna
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: like really infuse the twenty twenty six market with a
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: lot of great inserts, where Flagship has fallen down in
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: all their releases. I think this year that like these
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: Top Chrome Tops Chrome inserts, if you're out there building
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: PCs of individual players or individual teams, I think you're
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: gonna want to get a lot of these inserts into
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: your collection because they'll be relatively easy to find outside
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: the super short prints, especially at card shows or in
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: discount bins and in bulk, and so gonna be some
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: pretty beautiful cards, I think in terms of where you're
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: looking at from this twenty six Tops Chrome run of inserts, Yeah,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd be too thrilled with being
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: out there ripping my own hobby in jump of boxes
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: of this, but they're beautiful cards and I'm excited to
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: see them at shows and watch them pop up on
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: eBay over the.
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