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BONUS EPISODE: 🇺🇸 USWNT v 🇳🇱 NETHERLANDS PREVIEW · Into the Channel ⚽️ A Podcast Primarily About Women's Football

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  the show notes of this episode. I'm your host.
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  Do you know de suspicious? And as always, I'm joined by my
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  coast. Mr. Grant Angle.
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  What is up man? I'm feeling fantastic, buddy.
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  We get we're spanning the globe here.
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  We got a little international football, we got to watch USA
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  play at Wembley Historic Stadium.
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  Now we get to watch them take on Orang at The Hague in
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  Netherlands. We're spanning the globe.
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  We're worldwide. I love it.
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  Yeah. We're hopping on one of those
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  tiny planes just to kind of scoot around Europe and, you
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  know, stamping our passports and just kind of trying to get a
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  feel for this US women's national team on this short but
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  highly compelling European Tour. For the record, I am more of a
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  train guy. I think we could get a train
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  from London to The Hague. I'll have to check that out.
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  But this is actually all just a gigantic figure of speech, so I
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  probably won't waste my time doing that.
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  I digress. Sorry buddy, please go ahead.
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  All good. So these two teams lock up this
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  week again, on the heels of both of these teams in action in some
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  pretty compelling matchups. We talked a little bit earlier
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  this week about USA, England. The Netherlands also found
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  themselves in a bit of a friendly matchup.
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  They took on China that 1 ended 41, but I think a little bit
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  deceiving scoreline. China was up I think until like
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  the 70th minute, maybe a little bit later.
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  One nil before the Netherlands just brought on a bunch of
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  excellent attacking players who just unleashed absolute
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  destruction on that China defense to hang 4 on them.
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  Yeah, Jin Kuhn for China had a really hard fought goal in the
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  34th minute to open up the scoring.
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  Kind of was able to kind of muscle pass the defender, not
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  get past the keeper. Great goal.
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  Yeah, great goal. And China looked scrappy
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  throughout. Didn't have a ton of shots on
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  goal, but just looked like they understood what they're supposed
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  to do. They're going to go in there.
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  They're going to play some underdog football.
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  Even though there weren't a lot of Netherlands stars weren't in
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  the starting lineup, I think China knew like, OK, let's let's
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  get out there. Let's make this as close as
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  possible. They're able to muscle up and
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  get that goal. Going to halftime with A1 NIL
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  lead. There's a little bit of history
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  between these squads. Two, I'm going to rewind it all
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  the way back to the 2015 World Cup where China was able to get
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  a victory over the Netherlands one nil.
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  They had a goal at the absolute death of a group stage match.
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  And that was back when the format was six groups of four
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  and there were four third place teams that would make the
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  knockout stage from the groups. And China's win over the
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  Netherlands in that group stage match actually made it so the
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  Dutch were the 3rd place team in their group that made it to the
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  knockout stage later on. So I don't know if there's any
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  bad blood remaining, but I do remember that 2015 for anybody
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  who's watched the show, I think I've said like, you know, 1999
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  was obviously like The Big Bang for like women's football in the
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  United States. But the 2015 Women's World Cup
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  was a first one played in Canada.
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  So it was like similar time zones.
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  It was the first one that I was really able to like kind of lock
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  in and kind of started my interest in women's football in
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  general. Again, another digression for
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  me. I don't know if there's any bad
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  blood leftover from that one nil loss in a group stage.
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  But the Netherlands, after they brought on all their stars
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  around like the 70th minute, it seemed like they they took that
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  personally, as Michael Jordan would say.
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  Yeah, yeah. You look at the Subs, Lynn
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  Wilms, Jill Rord, Esme Brooks, Daniela van de Donk, Lynneth
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  Bernstein, Pretty good, pretty good unit to be able to bring
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  onto the pitch. You know, you look at this
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  Netherlands side, they've got a lot of talent and it's a really
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  great mix of young players. You know, we've mentioned some
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  of those veterans that came on late, but you look at some of
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  these young players 25 and under.
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  Damaris, she's 25. Kirsten Kasparai, Lynn Wilms,
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  Daphne von Damsel are all 24. Chastity Grant, Romi Luchter,
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  both 23. Esme Brooks, 21, and Vika
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  Kaptine, who had herself a game against China with a goal and
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  assist, just 19 years old and looks like an excellent,
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  excellent player as well. This Netherlands side will have
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  something a little bit different than England was able to put
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  forth against the US women's national team.
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  I kind of feel like there's going to be a little bit less
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  tape, little bit less predictability from this side.
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  And, you know, they got a ton of vets in addition to all those
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  young players that I rattled off.
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  So, yeah, a lot of options for Netherlands coach Andres Yonker.
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  And you mentioned the potential bad blood between China and
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  Netherlands. Not sure if there's any of that
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  left. But our guy Yonker, during the
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  2023 World Cup, when speaking about the US women's national
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  team, had that famous quote. In the past, the American women
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  were a lot fitter than the rest of the world.
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  But I really think those days are over.
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  If you look at the Champions League nowadays, you see the
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  same level of intensity. So the big question is now what
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  is left of their superiority? Let's see about that.
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  End Quote. There we go.
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  Yeah, bad blood confirmed. I know Lynette Berenstein was
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  kind of talking some shit too in that tournament, and for good
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  reason. I mean, Lynette Berenstein
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  should not be afraid of a single player on this planet.
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  So yeah, I mean, a lot of great players.
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  We saw Vika Kaptine net herself or I believe her first Champions
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  League goal against Celtic just a few weeks back.
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  Really exciting, good player, came over from FC-20 on a free
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  transfer. So yeah, I think, I think
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  they're going to present some issues for the USA.
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  But to be honest, I mean, it's really going to be lineup
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  dependent because if the USA is going to line up Germa and
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  Sonnet as their center backs again, which you know, they
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  might not considering they just played a match on Saturday and
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  this match is being played on Tuesday.
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  If you get Germa full strength against the Netherlands, I would
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  not be that afraid if I'm, you know, a USA supporter.
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  But if Emma Hayes completely shakes the snow globe, then
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  those players, they might be able to present some real some
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  real danger for USA. Yeah, when I think about
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  England, a lot was made of the one versus 2 measuring stick
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  nature of this match. And you know, I I always kind of
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  do a lot of relating. I know you relate women's
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  football to college football, the States.
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  I always kind of for some reason, try to compare women's
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  football to the fighting sports. I love it.
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  You see this sometimes when 2 great fighters are sparring each
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  other. It's like, OK, this is this
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  isn't for the title. They're each trying to get each
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  other ready for some other big, you know, matchup.
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  But it's well, well, well worth watching and breaking down and
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  paying very, very close attention to because you can
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  learn a lot. It did kind of feel like Emma
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  Hayes nor Serena Wiegman who wanted to give that match away.
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  So it was very defensive. Like even when you think about
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  the offensive attacking talent that wasn't on the pitch, it did
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  kind of feel like that kind of chess match.
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  The Netherlands does not come into this match with the same
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  agenda. You know, England playing the
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  United States to a draw felt right for them.
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  Even though they're at home. They probably were disappointed
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  for sure. The second ranked team defending
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  champions of Europe. The Netherlands, though, are
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  kind of like a little bit of a notch below.
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  You know, they have qualified for the 2025 Euros.
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  They finished fourth in the UEFA Nations League.
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  This is a team that is not part of the absolute upper, upper,
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  upper upper crust where you might think, OK, there's
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  England, there's Spain, you know, France, Germany are kind
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  of right there, you know, in that top four.
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  Netherlands are is at the very top of that next group of
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  European teams, I think in my opinion.
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  But the creativity that they have on that team, the
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  diversity, like we talked about old and young, different ways
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  that they can approach things. Some young players coming into
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  their own roommate Luchter. I think as a as a player that
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  you can kind of like draw a circle around.
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  Definitely in that camp. Vega captain as well, for sure.
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  Yeah, it does feel like they're going to be able to throw stuff
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  at the USA that I don't want to say is going to be tough to deal
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  with. But I think it's going to be
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  new, like new things that they're seeing that it's going
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  to be interesting to see how the United States defense.
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  I think that's fair. I know this is a short episode,
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  but I'm just going to crack another brewski.
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  So far. And it's by Ruben's brews out
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  here in lovely Seattle, and it's called Stay Frosty IPA.
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  And the reason behind that is because I will say, so in the
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  Netherlands, they're ranked #11 in the world in the FIFA
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  ranking. So I think kind of where you're
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  placing them in your mind, like do do you think they're better
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  than Brazil? I don't think so.
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  I didn't, yeah. I didn't think you would.
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  And Brazil's ranked above them. And like, you know, Colombia,
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  it's like, you know, you could you could make some arguments
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  the Columbia with that's. A good match up, that's a good
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  match up. I will tell you, though, I don't
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  think Netherlands views themselves the same way.
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  I mean, you think about that 2023 group stage match you had,
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  the shoving match between van de Dunkin and her Leon teammate
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  Lindsay Oran. Netherlands walked away from
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  that match thinking we absolutely should have won that
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  game. And so I think if you're the
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  Netherlands, I think you kind of look at USA and say, OK, they
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  don't have their three best forwards.
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  And who knows if Emma Hayes is going to push it with a player
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  like, or even a player who's a little bit older in Sonnet or a
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  player who's a little bit older in Kruger.
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  Like, who are we going to see out there?
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  Can we get some goals? We brought on Biernstein late
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  against China. Why do you do that?
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  Maybe it's because you want her to start against USA and see if
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  she can cash in early. I think so.
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  I mean, if you're watching the the England tape, you're
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  probably thinking, OK, maybe we want to try to attack some of
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  these wide channels and see what we can do.
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  I think the Netherlands like pretty well situated from that
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  standpoint and I do feel like they've got a couple players
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  that can make the US think a little bit, at least from
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  distance. You look at that goal, that
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  estimate Brook scored, the fourth against China where she
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  gets like that insane 10 yard run up.
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  I think I was telling you a little bit earlier, kind of
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  harken back to like a UFC fighter kind of like flying from
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  their corner at the at the bell, just kind of like delivering a
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  flying kick, kind of the same level of ferocity and just a
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  placement on it was, I mean, impeccable.
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  You know, we've seen Esme Brooks score tremendous goals and it
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  like you shouldn't be surprised, but you're also still really
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  surprised that somebody's able to do that.
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  And I think we we talked about the players that can kind of
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  reach that rarefied air, but maybe not able to kind of get
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  there consistently like a Mary Fowler.
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  I think we were talking about as well, Esme Brooks definitely in
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  that category where her best is like, holy shit, like it really
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  it's like, let me watch this 25 more times.
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  A player like that in a match like this, I think could really
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  kind of flip things and and make it extremely interesting.
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  Because now without a triple espresso, what do you go to if
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  your MAA is you're down a goal and you really kind of want to
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  make a statement in a match like this on the road?
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  And they're going to be playing what I would assume is going to
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  be a pretty intense environment. And so you ask yourself, like,
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  what do you go to? You kind of look at the roster.
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  Yeah, obviously you have, you know, 159 caps from Lindsay
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  Horan. She's not exactly your goal
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  scoring threat even though she is currently leading Leone in
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  goals in the Divas have season. She has nine goals on the season
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  by the way. I think we were talking about an
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  episode or two ago. She had like 4 in one match, had
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  a hat trick before halftime. Saying at the end gave him that
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  work. There you go.
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  But you know, she's not playing St.
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  Etienne in in this match. So I think, you know, you think
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  about it. Yeah.
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  Lynn Williams, she has 73 caps. But other than that, yes, Mean
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  Ryan has three. Emma Sears has three.
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  Ali Sentinor now has one. Jaden Shaw has 20.
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  Alyssa Thompson has 12. You know, we're not talking
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  about it. Experienced forward room here
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  outside of Lynn Williams, anybody who's playing for the
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  Netherlands or their manager Yonker, If you look at this and
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  think, OK, we got home field. They're coming off a match where
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  they played most of their experienced players because they
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  wanted to have a good showing at at Wembley.
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  We just came off a match against China where we brought on all
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  our good players for the last 20 minutes of the match.
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  If you can get a win against USA at The Hague and you're the
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  Netherlands manager, just like thinking about it like almost
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  from his perspective, perspective of like now you just
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  look at the federation and go, huh, pretty good, right?
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  And like, if you're those players, you want that on your
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  resume. The more we talk about this, the
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  more I think they're going to come out absolutely firing and
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  USA is going to have to have a response to that.
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  Well, that response might be in the form of 1 Lily Johannes, I
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  bet. Let's go.
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  I kind of wish I kind of wish Lily had gotten a couple of Lily
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  minutes at Wembley just to kind of, you know, warm, warm up the
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  engine. But with this match on the
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  calendar looming, I think the announcement came a few weeks
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  ago. So it would seem extremely
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  fitting that you would play in this match.
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  And I kind of feel like would bring some of the energy we need
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  to match some of the unpredictability and kind of
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  like not not saying that what the US has been doing has been a
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  little bit stale, but I think it speaks a lot when you see like
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  an Alyssa Thompson come in and really jump off the screen.
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  Yasmine Ryan kind of do the same really because OK wow, you know
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  we're we're some injections here of some new stuff, but I think
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  Johannes would be really great A lot of familiarity with a lot of
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  those players. You know some IX players up and
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  down the Netherlands roster. Spitz chastity grants moved on
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  to the WSL, but looked her obviously she's also moved on to
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  PSG, but still a lot of familiarity with some of those
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  players could be really interesting.
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  We do hope that she gets a good response innovation from that
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  crowd. I think she.
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  Will I think the the fact that both federations kind of took
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  part in the announcement, I know I acts like congratulated her on
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  making her decision and saying, you know, obviously they clearly
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  want the best for her as any good club.
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  What I I don't think anybody ever doubted that.
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  But yeah, I think that's going to be a great moment.
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  I want to see how Hirsch felt minutes.
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  I want to see way more Ali Sentinor minutes.
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  Yep. So don't get me wrong here when
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  I say that the Netherlands are going to come out here and
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  they're going to come out swinging.
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  The USA is not underdogs in this matchup.
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  Just to be clear. Doesn't matter that it's at The
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  Hague. Don't matter the USA or
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  underdogs against very few teams in the world.
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  And in fact, I would say maybe just Spain.
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  I don't think they're an underdog against anybody else.
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  So I just think they they need to be prepared to take
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  Netherlands best punch. And you know, knowing Emma
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  Hayes, they probably will be. But it's a different animal once
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  you get there and there are 10s of thousands of people screaming
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  at you while you're playing. Yeah, that's an interesting that
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  creates an interesting potential scenario.
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  I keep thinking back to the Emma Hayes quote where she made
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  reference to totally paraphrasing here, the US being
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  able to field two teams that would be extremely competitive,
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  right? I would love to maybe see like a
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  not quite 25 and under that, you know, type approach.
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  But what would it look like if it's like Sentinor Sam's
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  Hirschfeld? To your point, Johannes, you
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  know, I'd love to see Ms. Sears get another chance.
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  You know, obviously she didn't totally shine against England, a
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  really tough matchup. We talked about her having to go
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  at Alex Greenwood. Yeah.
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  Would love to see some more Ms. Sears minutes and just see like,
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  what do we have? Do we have some pairings with
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  some of these young players and really thinking more
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  offensively, but I don't know, mix it up.
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  Let's let's get some some new groupings in there.
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  Let's get a, you know, different midfield.
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  This would be a great spot for something like that. 100% agree.
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  I'm really excited to watch the match.
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  It might have to be a no spoiler situation.
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  It's during the middle of our work day on Tuesday.
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  I got stuff I got to do. That's all right.
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  I digress. Do you have a score prediction,
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  my friend? I'm going to say 11.
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  Son of a bitch. We're too linked up.
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  We're too linked up. OK, that's what I that's exactly
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  what I was going to say. I thought I was going to
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  surprise you with it. Why?
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  Yeah, I think it's one one, I think the Netherlands Steel one.
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  I think we get a little bit of a Van Damslar game where she she
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  just looks a little bit like a wall.
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  Yeah. And maybe some of those young
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  American attacking players get looks.
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  I think we breakthrough with something, but ultimately a game
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  that we probably feel like we're in control of from the US
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  perspective, but aren't able able to kind of like break all
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  the way through and pull out a win.
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  So yeah, another draw for the US international team.
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  Give me one one. OK, give me the same.
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  Let me try to add my own spin on it.
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  I think Biernstein scores the goal for the Netherlands.
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  I think it comes before halftime.
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  USA gets the equalizer and I'm going to go with Jaden Shaw,
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  assisted by Lily Johannes. Let's go.
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  The Shadow EP and I were on a walk the other day and she was
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  just like because, you know, I was obviously bothering her by
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  telling her my Orlando Pride. One nil prediction was spot on
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  and I'm a sincere. I have a crystal ball in my
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  office. And she was like, you know, you
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  never talk about the predictions you get wrong.
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  I go, not important. I don't need to.
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  It's our show. We just never speak of them
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  again. So if I get this one right, I'll
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  talk about like, I'm the smartest man alive.
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  And if not, we'll just keep it pushing.
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  Yeah, and I love that you called me out for changing some of my
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  predictions, but hey, shit changes.
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  What do you want? You know, I'm not gonna, you
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  know, tell you that the Portland's gonna win the
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  championship and they look terrible.
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  Or. There you go.
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  You know what? You've got new information.
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  I I applaud you for taking in the new information and making
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  new predictions. We call that training data and
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  technology. You know, we just utilize it and
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  optimize these algorithms, make better decisions as we go, and
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  off to the races. I like it.
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  OK. As mentioned, this one's going
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  down Tuesday. Very excited.
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  Can't wait to see the lineups. Can't wait to see what these
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  teams do when the ball's rolling.
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  We'll be back later this week with our December Fest episode
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  featuring our guy Peter Vice talking all things German
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  football. We're going to talk Byron
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  Wolfsburg and their Champions League prospects, we'll dive
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  into Fran, Bundesliga, talk a little German national team, and
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  then we'll be back next week with the match Day 5 preview.
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  December 11th, December 12th, Champions League returns.
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  We'll be talking key matchups, machinations, who's in, who's
• 17:49
  out. We're going to check in on the
• 17:50
  big club, see how they're doing in their domestic leagues.
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  So definitely stick around for that.
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  Mister Grant Engel, anything else you want to hit?
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  Before we get out of here, I think we covered it.
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  I'm very much looking forward to this match and I think just us
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  talking about it kind of turned on some light bulbs for me.
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  So I'm looking forward to it even more now.
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  Awesome. Well, no spoilers in both
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  directions. They got a meeting or two on
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  Tuesday that I'll have to check in on.
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  But outside of that, I think we did it.
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  It's been an episode into the channel.
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  A sincere thank you. Thank you for watching,
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  listening, following, liking, subscribe, and just playing,
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  hanging out with your boys and traversing the European
• 18:21
  continent as we track all these key matchups.
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  And remember to like. If you liked and subscribe or
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  or wherever you like to watch or listen, leave us a review or
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  favorite podcast app. Links to all of our socials in
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  the show notes of this episode. And a big thank you to my close
• 18:36
  as well, Mr. Grant angle for By Train, by Plane.
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  Doesn't matter. There's a big match.
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  I already know my guys going to be here by our side,
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  storytelling and doing all the things that we do here at the
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  ITC. I appreciate you bro.
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  Likewise, buddy. And you know what?
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  While I'm in the business of making predictions, I predict
• 18:53
  that ITC will continue to have the best damn Internet pals in
• 18:57
  the podcasting space. So thank you all for rocking
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  with us. And I will also predict that you
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  will educate me on anything that I missed or anything or let us
• 19:05
  know if we ran a follow up anything.
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  And so we thank you for that and we will talk to you all next
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  time.