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The Bolt Report | 9 July · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: Goodness, you've spilled a Bolt Report.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the Bolt Report. I'm Danikai
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  Speaker 2: Giorgio coming up tonight. The PM's failure to secure a
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  Speaker 2: meeting with the US President becomes more dire as we
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  Speaker 2: are threatened with a new round of tariffs. There's a
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  Speaker 2: recruitment crisis in defense, so why does Richard Mirles want
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  Speaker 2: to get rid of Australia's top brass and Elon Musk
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  Speaker 2: claims a well known former Trump advisor is listed in
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  Speaker 2: the Epstein files. Find out who soon, but first tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Alberizi has been telling us for weeks that he
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  Speaker 2: will have a meeting when a meeting is scheduled with
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 3: When we have a meeting, we'll have a meeting.
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  Speaker 4: And when it's scheduled that will well, of.
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  Speaker 5: Course we will meetings. She'll be a range of meetings
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  Speaker 5: between now.
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  Speaker 6: And the end of the year with President Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Well, his failure to actually secure a meeting when a
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  Speaker 2: meeting has not been scheduled with the US President has
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  Speaker 2: become a lot more dire. Donald Trump is now threatening
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  Speaker 2: to slap us with more tariffs, this time of up
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  Speaker 2: to two hundred percent on pharmaceutical products made outside of
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  Speaker 2: the United States.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to give people about a year a year
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  Speaker 4: and a half to come in and after that they're
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  Speaker 4: going to be tariffed. If they have to bring the
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  Speaker 4: pharmaceuticals into the country, the drugs and other things into
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  Speaker 4: the country, they're going to be tariffed at a very
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  Speaker 4: very high rate, like two hundred percent. We'll give them
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  Speaker 4: a certain period of time to get their act together.
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  Speaker 2: Now, pharmaceuticals are one of Australia's largest exports to the
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  Speaker 2: United States. About two point two billion dollars in pharmaceutical
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  Speaker 2: products were exported to the US last year, and at
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  Speaker 2: the same time, Donald Trump has also announced eight fifty
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  Speaker 2: percent tariffs on copper imports as part of this possible
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  Speaker 2: next round.
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  Speaker 1: So, look, is it bad for US?
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  Speaker 7: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, The threat of these pharmaceutical tariffs would no doubt
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  Speaker 2: be a blow to our already fragile manufacturing sector, and
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  Speaker 2: labor is panicking.
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  Speaker 8: We think that these tariffs inject an unnecessary element of uncertainty, unpredictability,
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  Speaker 8: and volatility in the global economy, whether it's the developments
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  Speaker 8: on copper and pharmaceuticals or the tariffs more broadly. Now
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  Speaker 8: We've made it clear we see them as bad for
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  Speaker 8: the American economy, the Australian economy, and the global economy.
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  Speaker 8: And this extra element of unpredictability comes at a very
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  Speaker 8: unwelcome time.
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  Speaker 1: But the question is should we be surprised? Probably not.
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  Speaker 2: I mean Donald Trump had been flagging pharmaceuticals would be next.
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  Speaker 2: And realistically, this is the new world under Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 2: who is forging ahead with making America great again and
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  Speaker 2: prioritizing American made products first, no matter the cost, no
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  Speaker 2: matter if it's right or wrong. It was only yesterday
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  Speaker 2: he sent letters to the heads of several countries informing
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  Speaker 2: them of their new tariff rate of twenty five percent,
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  Speaker 2: including the US's key allies, Japan and South Korea. And
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  Speaker 2: I asked former White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer on
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  Speaker 2: the show last night why Trump is changing the rules?
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  Speaker 1: Simply put, because he can look.
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  Speaker 2: He is in bolden, he is on fire the last
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  Speaker 2: few weeks, Kaedy Will.
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  Speaker 1: It's simple, So what can we do about it? Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's easy.
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  Speaker 2: Former trade advisor to President Trump, Kelly an Shaw told
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  Speaker 2: Sky News that all the Albaneze government needed to do
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  Speaker 2: is meet with President Trump.
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  Speaker 9: I would assume that the government of Australia would be
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  Speaker 9: interested in negotiating something similar to what the UK seems
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  Speaker 9: to have gotten, which is that their exporters and their
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  Speaker 9: producers won't be paying those types of tariffs. And so
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  Speaker 9: we've seen these sectoral investigations on steel, aluminum, audos, pharmaceuticals,
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  Speaker 9: my conductors as being wrapped up in these broader negotiations,
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  Speaker 9: and so my assumption is this is something that both
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  Speaker 9: governments are talking about right now.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, the elephant, the elephant in the room is
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  Speaker 2: that ALBO has been unable to meet with Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 2: The United Kingdom and Canada have already secured exemptions amid
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  Speaker 2: broader negotiations and commitments to significantly lift defense spending, but.
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  Speaker 1: Of course ALBO has refused to lift ours.
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  Speaker 2: And this announcement by Trump comes on the eve of
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanese's trip to China, keyword being China not our
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  Speaker 2: number one ally in the United States. Politically, the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister has fallen on his sword when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: diplomatic relations. He hasn't been able to secure that all
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  Speaker 2: important US meeting.
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  Speaker 1: He sent Penny Wong over to Washington for.
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  Speaker 2: A peacekeeping mission last week, but you know she came
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  Speaker 2: back empty handed, and so the PM has embarrassingly been
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  Speaker 2: reduced to banking on a series of upcoming summits in
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  Speaker 2: the hope of getting just five minutes with the most
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  Speaker 2: powerful man in the world. He's got the Quad meeting
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  Speaker 2: in India coming up, and if that fails, the next
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  Speaker 2: best bet is the G twenty and then the Apex Summit.
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  Speaker 1: Both of those are in November.
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  Speaker 2: So he's desperately hoping for a miracle bump into the
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  Speaker 2: president moment at one of the three summits, or desperately
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  Speaker 2: hoping he doesn't have to head over to Washington himself,
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  Speaker 2: or desperately hoping Trump will call him, or desperately just
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  Speaker 2: desperately hoping. I mean, he's hardly making the case for diplomacy,
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  Speaker 2: especially in the face of what Trump is taking into
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  Speaker 2: account when it comes to tariff negotiations.
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  Speaker 10: Well, look at how a country treats us.
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  Speaker 11: Are they good? Are they not so good?
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  Speaker 2: And it's not like Trump isn't meeting with world leaders,
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  Speaker 2: the leader of the UK, Ireland, Canada, Ol Salvador, Jordan, Japan, Ukraine,
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  Speaker 2: and just this week of course, the Israeli Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: have all made the trip to the White House.
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  Speaker 1: He is meeting with leaders.
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  Speaker 2: Anthony ALBINIZI doesn't know Donald Trump, They've never met, so
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  Speaker 2: there's no way he is in a position to negotiate tariffs,
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  Speaker 2: let alone this latest threat. Now, in terms of pharmaceuticals,
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  Speaker 2: America's pharmaceutical lobby had been pushing Trump to slap us
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  Speaker 2: with tariffs in retaliation for the Pharmaceutical Benefit Scheme. Now,
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  Speaker 2: this scheme requires drug companies to negotiate prices with the
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  Speaker 2: government in order for customers to receive a subsidy. The
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  Speaker 2: Treasurer says that's not up for negotiation.
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  Speaker 8: We make it clear once again, as we have on
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  Speaker 8: a number of occasions in recent months, that the PBS
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  Speaker 8: is not on the table.
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  Speaker 3: From an Australian point of view, And.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I have to agree with the Treasurer here that
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  Speaker 2: is a good thing. Obviously, the PBS is in place
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  Speaker 2: to give us cheaper medicines. But the question is what
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  Speaker 2: can Australia really offer the United States now to try
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  Speaker 2: and give us some wriggle room in negotiating tariffs. And
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  Speaker 2: the Opposition is rightly asking questions.
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  Speaker 5: It should come as no surprise to the government, which
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  Speaker 5: is why I'm just so angry that the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 5: has not prioritized a relationship with the United States. People
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  Speaker 5: have been talking about the threat to our pharmaceutical sector
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  Speaker 5: through tariffs for months now, but the government has not
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  Speaker 5: taken adequate action. You know, any tariffs against the sector
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  Speaker 5: should be opposed. They fly in the face of the
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  Speaker 5: spirit of our relationship with the United States and our
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  Speaker 5: free trade agreement. But it's up to the governor of
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  Speaker 5: the day to prosecute the case.
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  Speaker 2: So whether Trump actually follows through on his latest threat
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  Speaker 2: is one thing, but the reality is we're not offering
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  Speaker 2: the US anything.
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  Speaker 1: We aren't budging on defense spending.
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  Speaker 2: Albo won't go to Washington, but is about to have
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  Speaker 2: his fourth meeting with China. So again it looks like
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  Speaker 2: the handsome boy from Australia misses out again.
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  Speaker 1: To discuss this and more. Let's bring in the pattern
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  Speaker 1: our form.
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  Speaker 2: South Wales Labor Treasurer Michael Costa and GXO Strategies Director
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  Speaker 2: at Cameron Milner. Hi to both of you. Good to
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  Speaker 2: see you. Thank you for joining me. Michael, what do
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  Speaker 2: you make of this new possible round of tariffs?
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  Speaker 12: Well, I think it's a negotiating tactic by Trump. I
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  Speaker 12: mean've got to remember, tariffs are a tax on consumers,
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  Speaker 12: and the consumers that will pay for this are the
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  Speaker 12: American consumers, and that'll feed into CPI.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's playing a game.
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  Speaker 12: He always makes the point that, you know, he slaps
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  Speaker 12: on the tariffs and if people come back and negotiating,
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  Speaker 12: he'll he'll come up with a better arrangement. I mean,
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  Speaker 12: you're right to criticize the government's approach, and I think
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  Speaker 12: what you've missed is one of the things that the
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  Speaker 12: government has been doing which feeds right into Trump's agenda,
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  Speaker 12: and that is this Future Made in China as I
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  Speaker 12: call it, you know, the Future Made in Australia fund.
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  Speaker 12: That's a protectionist fun I mean some of the retrick
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  Speaker 12: that was around that is exactly the rhetoric that Trump
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  Speaker 12: is using in relation to American industries. But you know, ultimately,
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  Speaker 12: if he puts a two hundred you know, persent tariff
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  Speaker 12: on pharmaceuticals, it's American consumers that will lose out. And
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  Speaker 12: in addition, we're signed up to a whole bunch of
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  Speaker 12: intellectual property arrangements with which preclude us from using generic drugs.
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  Speaker 12: You know, we've got a bit of leverage in this area.
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  Speaker 12: India and other countries produced generic drugs much cheaper than
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  Speaker 12: we buy off the US pharmaceutical company.
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  Speaker 3: So I think it's a lot of leverage.
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  Speaker 12: But you can't exercise that leverage unless you're in front
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  Speaker 12: of him, and unfortunately he's not able to get in
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  Speaker 12: front of him.
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  Speaker 2: No, and this is the exact problem. In the end,
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, as I said, will do whatever Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: wants to do. But the reality is, Cameron is, the
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  Speaker 2: UK and Canada have already secured tariff exemptions.
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  Speaker 1: The leaders of.
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  Speaker 2: Both of those countries have met face to face with
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Anthony Albanezi still has not, but he's been
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  Speaker 2: telling us for weeks he will get a meeting. Aren't
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  Speaker 2: these new tariff threats proof enough that a meeting is
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  Speaker 2: indeed urgent?
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  Speaker 13: Oh, the meeting is absolutely urgent. I thought your comments
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  Speaker 13: at the top of the show, Deniko would exactly spot on.
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  Speaker 13: This is about a relationship problem that we've got as Australia,
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  Speaker 13: not only about tarists, but also about ucas, about our
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  Speaker 13: actual defense as a nation in terms of where we're
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  Speaker 13: going with the US and the US ally and our
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  Speaker 13: relationship the UK has a free trade agreement, Vietnam has
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  Speaker 13: one candidate, as you said, but we don't because we
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  Speaker 13: haven't even picked up the phone. This is a prime
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  Speaker 13: minister who says it's really important, but won't actually move
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  Speaker 13: to actually secure a meeting, won't actually go to marl
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  Speaker 13: Laga before he was president, won't go to the inauguration,
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  Speaker 13: won't go to actually having a meeting at the White House.
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  Speaker 13: Benjamin naw who has had two meetings in three days.
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  Speaker 13: It's not like Trump is inaccessible to world leaders he
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  Speaker 13: wants to meet with. But Albo is the one that's
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  Speaker 13: the problem here. I mean Albo should stop the dim
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  Speaker 13: sim diplomacy in Beijing and break bread with Trolden Trump
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  Speaker 13: President Trump in Washington and get the relationship back on
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  Speaker 13: track with our strongest and largest ally.
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  Speaker 1: Yea dim sim diplomacy.
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  Speaker 2: I like that one camera and look at your spot
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  Speaker 2: on four meetings about to occur now with China, none
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  Speaker 2: with the United States.
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  Speaker 1: And I think you raise a good point.
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  Speaker 2: This all started when Anthony Alberanzi didn't even go to
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  Speaker 2: the inauguration of.
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  Speaker 1: Our number one ally. And this is where the issue
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  Speaker 1: started from the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: And we know that Trump likes his face to face diplomacy,
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  Speaker 2: so you know, you know, Albo can dream as much
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  Speaker 2: as he wants, but our actions speak louder than words. Now,
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  Speaker 2: let's move on to the Reserve Bank's decision to hold
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  Speaker 2: rates yesterday. Economists from most of the nation's top financial
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  Speaker 2: institutions were expecting.
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  Speaker 1: A cut which never came.
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  Speaker 2: Michael, The reality is the RBA had the green lights,
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  Speaker 2: It had the green light from the market to go
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  Speaker 2: ahead and cut, but it didn't. It said it needed
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  Speaker 2: more data to prove that inflation was under control.
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  Speaker 1: What does this tell us.
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  Speaker 12: Well, it tells me that economic forecasting is not a science.
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  Speaker 12: It's an art and it always has been an art.
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  Speaker 12: And we see that anybody who's had to put a
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  Speaker 12: budget together knows that all of these things are a
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  Speaker 12: guesswork in one sense.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I'm going to defend the RBA here.
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  Speaker 12: I think that waiting till the quarterly statements is actually
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  Speaker 12: a very prudent thing to do. The reason I say
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  Speaker 12: that is if you let inflation gets out of control,
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  Speaker 12: and there are some indicators, and the labor market's the
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  Speaker 12: key one here, you are. I know people are talking
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  Speaker 12: about wage moderation, but we still have very good employment
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  Speaker 12: in this country, and there's no prospect at the moment
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  Speaker 12: of entering a sort of labor market recession. So the
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  Speaker 12: RBA is waiting until June thirtieth, July thirtieth to see
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  Speaker 12: the quarterly figures, and I think it'll move then, but
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  Speaker 12: it's definitely a downward cycle. I mean, she even made
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  Speaker 12: it clear in the comments yesterday. She's not talking about
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  Speaker 12: individual decisions, but the trajectory, and the trajectory is obviously down.
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  Speaker 2: And Cameron, you know, Jim Chalmers keeps telling us over
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  Speaker 2: and over again that labor has slayed the inflation drag,
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  Speaker 2: and the RBA begs to differ.
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  Speaker 1: Plus we know that productivity is low.
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  Speaker 2: I think it says that the board is still worried
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  Speaker 2: about the cost of living crisis.
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  Speaker 1: What's your take on the decision?
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  Speaker 13: Well, my take is that back in February, when labor
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  Speaker 13: government need are shot in the arm to get themselves
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  Speaker 13: back into political game, the RBA gift of them a
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  Speaker 13: rate cut, gift to them a rate cut in the
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  Speaker 13: most hot house political environment yet six or seven weeks
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  Speaker 13: after a federal election. No, it's all okay. The numbers arguably,
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  Speaker 13: arguably are much better for a rate cut right now
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  Speaker 13: than they were back in February. So I've always been
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  Speaker 13: very concerned about this RBA. I think they're highly politicized.
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  Speaker 13: I think they play a political game, and I think
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  Speaker 13: they made a decision in February that favored labor before
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  Speaker 13: the last federal election, and last last yesterday there was
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  Speaker 13: another kick in the guts to homeowners. And that's what
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  Speaker 13: the RBA is doing. They're playing politics on one side
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  Speaker 13: and they're not looking after people who are genuinely suffering
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  Speaker 13: from a cost of living crisis and are being crippled
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  Speaker 13: by massive mortgages.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it was an absolute blow to mortgage holders.
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  Speaker 2: I just think that, you know, they had the green
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  Speaker 2: light to go for it, but the fact that they didn't.
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  Speaker 2: They were worried still about inflation, and it says a
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  Speaker 2: lot still about the way that labour's handle this economy,
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  Speaker 2: especially when it comes to record spending, low productivity in particular. Now,
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  Speaker 2: let's turn to the John pursuito more Redeeming saga in Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: The Australian is reporting that the case will on until
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  Speaker 2: at least September, with the rival liberal factions to front
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  Speaker 2: the Supreme Court on September twenty five. Now, this centers
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  Speaker 2: around a legal challenge to reverse that controversial one point
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  Speaker 2: five million dollar career saving loan from the party to
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  Speaker 2: mister Pursudo. And look, if it's not settled later this year,
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  Speaker 2: it could extend well into next year.
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  Speaker 1: And next year is a state election year. Michael.
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  Speaker 2: There was polling this week that reveals the opposition over
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  Speaker 2: there is on track to lose a fourth successive election,
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  Speaker 2: and this saga surely has not helped.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, it hasn't helped.
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  Speaker 12: And also it makes you question the sort of political
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  Speaker 12: acumen of the people that have so desperately tried to
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  Speaker 12: put this dell together. I mean, the bottom line is
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  Speaker 12: that Pursuito could lose his seat. I mean only I
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  Speaker 12: think he holds it by less than two percent, and
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  Speaker 12: I've given those polls.
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  Speaker 3: He's likely to lose it.
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  Speaker 12: What's to stop him declaring himself bankrupt after this and
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  Speaker 12: the Liberal Party forfeiting it's one point five million dollar
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  Speaker 12: line in any event, you know, I mean, I think
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  Speaker 12: there is genuine concern amongst some Liberal Party members, and
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  Speaker 12: I'd share those if I was a member of the
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  Speaker 12: Liberal Party as well. But look, this has been a
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  Speaker 12: hopeless opposition and he's been part of the problem, a
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  Speaker 12: large part of the problem.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's a distraction.
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  Speaker 12: He should have resigned when he lost that decision and
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  Speaker 12: let the opposition have an opportunity to try and claw back.
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  Speaker 12: But the fact that the worst government in Australia, and
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  Speaker 12: I'll say that, you know, quite critical of a federal
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  Speaker 12: government is likely to win says a lot about how
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  Speaker 12: hopeless the Liberal Party is.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, look totally, I completely agree.
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  Speaker 2: And it's happening on AFL Grand Final weekend, a shocking
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  Speaker 2: time to have it in the AFL capital of Australia.
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  Speaker 2: But Cameron politically, is it having an impact on the
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  Speaker 2: Liberal Party's chances?
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  Speaker 13: Clearly it is, and I think it clearly had an
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  Speaker 13: effect in the last federal election too, where Labor was
• 15:50
  Speaker 13: looking on the nose, but it picked up a whole
• 15:51
  Speaker 13: series of once save Liberal seats. So I think the
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  Speaker 13: Liberal Party Victoria division is all about themselves, all about
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  Speaker 13: interfactional infighting and not had voters and that's what kills people. So,
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  Speaker 13: you know, voters are crying out for change, but they
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  Speaker 13: won't change to a complete rabble, and that's what the
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  Speaker 13: Victoria Liberal Party looks like right now. And as Michael
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  Speaker 13: knows as a former treasurer, unless you serve voters, you
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  Speaker 13: don't get their vote next time round. So that's the
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  Speaker 13: critical issue ninety for governments, but also positions. And while
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  Speaker 13: you're talking about yourselves and not talking about what's what
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  Speaker 13: of concern the voters, you don't deserve their vote.
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  Speaker 2: No, and that's something that the Federal Liberal Party could
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  Speaker 2: possibly take advice from as well right now.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Look, Shadow Energy Minister Dan tee And has called on
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Chris Bowen to apologize for the nation's surging power bills,
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: telling skynews dot com dot Au that Labour's promised that
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: bills would be two hundred and seventy five dollars cheaper.
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  Speaker 1: This year was a lie. Of course.
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  Speaker 2: Our bills went up again by nine percent last week
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: on July one, and the average household energy debt sits
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: at one four hundred and fifteen. That's up three hundred
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: dollars a year on year. Michael, let's be realistic. We're
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: never going to get an apology while Labor is on
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: this trajectory for its renewables only fantasy.
• 17:01
  Speaker 12: That's right, But Chris Barnes is not the only one
• 17:03
  Speaker 12: that should apologize. Albot was out there preaching that false
• 17:08
  Speaker 12: promise as well.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: Remember that, I don't know how many times he said
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: that as well. Look, this just continues what I call
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: Chris Bonnes reverse midas. Touch.
• 17:16
  Speaker 12: Everything he touched turns to that proverbial stuff and you
• 17:19
  Speaker 12: can see it across the board, I mean Green Hydrogen,
• 17:22
  Speaker 12: EV's wind farms. But ultimately Albert has been smart. He's
• 17:27
  Speaker 12: left Chris Bone in there to take the heat because
• 17:30
  Speaker 12: he's a potential rival.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: But you know, don't let elbow off the hook. I
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: say on this one, no.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Good point in Cameron, no apology.
• 17:38
  Speaker 13: You can imagine, No, I wouldn't be holding a breath
• 17:42
  Speaker 13: to Nika.
• 17:43
  Speaker 7: No.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I completely agree. Michael Costa and Cameron Milner. Good to
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: see you both. Thanks very much for joining me on
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: the show this evening. Really appreciate it. Well, let's move
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: on now. As I mentioned earlier, the Prime Minister will
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: begin his six day trip to China this weekend, and
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: defense experts are calling for him to tackle difficult topics
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: during the visit.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: This includes making the case for the nation's plan.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: To return the Port of Darwin to an Australian controlled company,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: among other things. Joining me now to discuss this and
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: more is Sky News host Rowandine Rowland. Good to see you,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Thank you for joining me. Look, the Prime Minister couldn't
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: stand up to China when live fire drills were being
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: conducted off our coast. He couldn't stand up to China
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: during the multiple military near misses.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: The list goes on.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: So does the handsome boy from Australia have it in
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: him to stand up to China this time?
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: Well, we shall see. But the Darwin Port, I would
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: have thought the Chinese have got so much from alban easy,
• 18:38
  Speaker 7: so little resistance to anything, that I would imagine that
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: they are not concerned that he's going to be able
• 18:45
  Speaker 7: to strong arm them on the Darwin Port. Let's not
• 18:48
  Speaker 7: forget that the Darwin Port was signed over by an
• 18:50
  Speaker 7: Australian government quite happily, liberal government, quite happily, and the
• 18:57
  Speaker 7: Chinese would definitely want to get. But Albanezi has done
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: so much to make the Chinese happy. I mean, if
• 19:04
  Speaker 7: you think about it, he didn't raise a finger when
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: they were firing live armaments off our coast. A Virgin
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: Airline pilot had to be the only person that seemed
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: to be the only person in Australia, a bit like
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: Dad's army keeping a watch off the hills of Dover
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: during the Second World War. A Virgin Airline pilot was
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: the only person who managed to see what was going on.
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: And four visits, four visitors, egingping and what would really
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: be thrilling the Chinese above and beyond anything else is
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: what you were just talking about, is the fact that
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: there is no relationship between the Australian government and the
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: US government of any significance any longer. And I was interested,
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: Danika when you had Ted O'Brien was saying, oh it
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: isn't it shameful that Australia hasn't prioritized its relationship with
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: Donald Trump. Let's not forget nor did the Liberal Party
• 19:57
  Speaker 7: during the last election the Liberal Party pushed Trump away.
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: The Liberal Party with Peter Dutton was saying things like, oh,
• 20:04
  Speaker 7: don't be worried, don't be scared, don't be frightened about
• 20:07
  Speaker 7: Donald Trump, and was and got angry when Just Enterprise
• 20:11
  Speaker 7: merely made the comment let's make Australia great again. So
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: for Teed O'Brien to be popping up and saying, oh,
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: shameful the way Australia is not doesn't have a decent
• 20:19
  Speaker 7: relationship with Donald Trump. I was saying on Sky and
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: writing in the Spectator way back in December of last year.
• 20:26
  Speaker 7: The first thing the opposition they're sorry the coalition should
• 20:30
  Speaker 7: be doing then opposition and now opposition should be doing
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: is jumping on a plane to America. And that's what
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: all our politicians should be doing, particularly the government.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look your spot on it's a really interesting point
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: and I want to bring your attention to some comments
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: made by the former Prime Minister Tony Abbott on Peter
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Kredlin's show last night. He said that it's hard to
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: know whether Anthony Albanezi is more on the side of
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: China right now all the United States.
• 20:57
  Speaker 14: This is what he said, It's hard to know whose
• 21:00
  Speaker 14: side this government is on. Is the Albanese government more
• 21:05
  Speaker 14: on the side of communist China or is it more
• 21:08
  Speaker 14: on the side of the country that's been the leader
• 21:10
  Speaker 14: of the free world all these decades and.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Roland let's not forget you know.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister gave that John Curtin oration at the
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: weekend where he was very favorable to China, but spoke
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: about independence, clearly pushing at the United States there. But
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: what do you make of those comments from the former PM.
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: Jeney Abbott is a very diplomatic man and he always
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: phrases things in a very polite and diplomatic manner. There's
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: no question what side this government signed. It's on the
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: side of China for visits. As I was just saying,
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: no contact with the Americans. Not a decent word to
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: say about Donald Trump, you know, gluing praise for China
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: every five minutes. And it is clear this government, it
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: is a left wing government. It is a hard left government.
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: The members of this government were all most of them
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: were undergraduates at universities like Sydney and Adelaide, where they
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: are mired and steep in anti Americanism, pro Chinese communism.
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: Albanizi himself was a hard left Sydney University leader, very
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: favorable to the Communist Party, spoke at rallies against Israel.
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: We are kidding ourselves if we think people suddenly just
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: shed their skins and become something completely different to what
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: they were all through the critical years, their critical educational
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: formational years. We have a government who love communist China
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: and don't like Israel and America, and the sooner the
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: Australian people. I said before this election, last election in May,
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: that this was the most critical election in Australia's post
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: war history. I said that repeatedly, and it was, and
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: it is. We are suffering with a government that is
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: not pro American, that is alienating our closest ally, the
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: ally that's given us all our security since since World
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: War II. We are as you said. You mentioned the
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: John Curtin lecture that was a farce. Forget the fact
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: that it was historically nonsense, but more importantly, to start
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: suggesting that the Australian way is to walk away from
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: America was a disgrace, a disgrace to every serviceman who
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: were our forces during World War Two, were under American
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: Allied control, under the control of the American forces. That's
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: how close we were. John Howard was called disparagingly by
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: the left, of course, but I was actually proud of it.
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: The Deputy Sheriff to the Americans. That's what we should be.
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: We have the same values, the same shared history, the
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: well the same democratic values in particular that the Americans have,
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: and we should be proud of it, and we should
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: be relying on them and looking to them and helping them.
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: And when they say you've got to lift your defense
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: spending the three point five percent, we should be saying, yes,
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: actually we're going to go to three point six or
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: even four, sir. That's how we should be behaving with
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: the Americans, not mucking around, denig rating them, sneering at them,
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: pretending we have some amazing independent Australian ways of security.
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: What relying on Virgin Airline pilots to fly around the
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: Pacific telling us what's going on. It's a farce and
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: Australians have got to wake up very very quickly, Danika.
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: We are in very treacherous waters with this government and
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: they're making it worse.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you're right, you don't you know,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Labor's not going to suddenly shed its ideals. A leopard
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: never changes its spots, as they say, Rowan Deane, good
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: to catch up with you. Thanks very much for joining
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: me on the show this evening.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it well.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, there's already a recruitment crisis
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: in the ADF, yet Australia's top brass are facing the
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: chop as part of sweeping reforms to the sector.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I'll chat to a former Army major general.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Plus the Prime min prepares a plan to tackle hate
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: amid the anti Semitism crisis.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Good to hear he has a.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Plan, albeit almost two years too late. That's next, welcome
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: back to the show. Well, as many as twenty five
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Australian Defense Force commanders and twenty to forty senior Defense
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: service positions could be cut as part of the government's
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: sweeping ADF overhaul. Now, I've got to say, there's already
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: recruitment crisis, so surely the prospect of an even more
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: scarce workforce is a disaster. But this comes as the
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: defense budget is stretched by the ORCAS submarine program and
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: new frigate projects. But at the same time, of course,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: labor is refusing to lift defense spending from two percent
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: of GDP to three point five percent demanded by the
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Trump administration. Joining me now is former Army Major General
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Mick Ryan McK Good to see you again.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much for joining me. Do we need
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: this reform.
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: Well, absolutely we do. Over the last five years or
• 25:57
  Speaker 10: so we've seen bloating out even further in numbers of
• 26:01
  Speaker 10: senior officers and senior public servants in defense by more
• 26:04
  Speaker 10: than twenty five percent in each case, whilst at the
• 26:07
  Speaker 10: same time we've seen the size of the ADF actually
• 26:10
  Speaker 10: contract by about two percent. And this huge number of
• 26:14
  Speaker 10: senior officers leads to more committees, which leads to actually
• 26:19
  Speaker 10: less decision making and slower decision making.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've got to ask, because obviously there's a
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: recruitment crisis.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: The thought of getting rid of top brass.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: You know, we're talking twenty to forty senior Defense service personnel.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: What good is that going to achieve when we can't
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: even attract people right now to the sector.
• 26:38
  Speaker 10: Well, actually, the easiest thing in the world to replace
• 26:41
  Speaker 10: is senior officers in the military. People like me leave
• 26:43
  Speaker 10: all the time, and there's lots of people willing to
• 26:45
  Speaker 10: step up. The people who are very hard to recruit
• 26:47
  Speaker 10: and to keep are our junior soldiers, junior non commissioned
• 26:51
  Speaker 10: officers and junior officers. They are the real workhorses of
• 26:54
  Speaker 10: the ADF and they're the ones that the centralized contracted
• 26:58
  Speaker 10: recruiting system isn't delivered to the Australian Defense Force.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: So we've got this overhaul on the cards.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Defense, as I mentioned just before, is already stretched budget
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: wise because of key programs.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Is this why we won't.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Lift defense spending. Do you think is we just simply
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: can't afford to.
• 27:16
  Speaker 10: Well, I think there's a couple of reasons. One, we're
• 27:18
  Speaker 10: very inefficient in how we spend money. We're very slow,
• 27:22
  Speaker 10: very riskd verse. But the government has just simply refused
• 27:25
  Speaker 10: to spend defense at the level it needs to be.
• 27:29
  Speaker 10: Australian strategic experts for over a decade have been talking
• 27:32
  Speaker 10: about three to three point five percent of GDP being
• 27:36
  Speaker 10: necessary for defense. If we want to have nuclear submarines
• 27:40
  Speaker 10: and a lethal deployable ADF, that's what we need to do.
• 27:43
  Speaker 10: This doesn't come from the Americans. This comes from our
• 27:45
  Speaker 10: own experts.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I want to ask you more on this because you've
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: written about the government's failures on defense. Today you're saying
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: that strategic surprise and.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Failure will likely be the result. What do you by that.
• 28:01
  Speaker 10: Well, I hate to say this, but when we're as
• 28:03
  Speaker 10: slow and as risk adverse and as focused as we are,
• 28:07
  Speaker 10: we're not developing the kind of force that's able to
• 28:12
  Speaker 10: prevent surprise. But certainly we're not developing the kind of
• 28:15
  Speaker 10: force that can absorb surprise, and as we know from history,
• 28:19
  Speaker 10: democracies are always surprised by the first fight in each war.
• 28:24
  Speaker 10: That's going to happen again, there's great questions whether we
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: could absorb and recover from that in the future.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Well, how long will it take, do you think?
• 28:33
  Speaker 12: Well, we could move quickly.
• 28:34
  Speaker 10: We just got to decide to But we don't have
• 28:36
  Speaker 10: a government who's made that decision. They're growing at a
• 28:40
  Speaker 10: pace that's slower than inflation for the defense budget to
• 28:44
  Speaker 10: something like two point three percent in a decade. We
• 28:47
  Speaker 10: need to speed up spending, but we also need to
• 28:49
  Speaker 10: put in place senior leaders who take risk, move quickly,
• 28:53
  Speaker 10: make big decisions, and keep moving on.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're right. Unfortunately we just haven't seen that.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: As we keep being warned, we're not prepared in the
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: event of war. Mick Ryan, good to catch up with
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: you again. Thanks very much for joining me on the
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: show this evening. Appreciate it well. Anthony Albanezi says he
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: will unveil a plan in the coming days to combat
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: hate in response to the anti Semitism crisis, And gee,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: wouldn't a plan to combat hate have been nice? From
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: the day of the scenes of the steps of the
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Sydney Opera House, or perhaps when a hate preacher openly
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: celebrated her Muss's attacks. I mean seriously, now he wants
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: to have a look at the issue almost two years later.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Now it is expected that this new plan will incorporate
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: some of the recommendations which came out of the Sky
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: News Anti Semitism summit that was co chaired by my
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: colleague Sharry Markson and Alex Rivchen from the Executive Council
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: of Australian Jury back in February. But again that was
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: months ago. Where is the firm action when it's actually needed.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss this and more is LMPMP Garth,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Hamilton Garth, thanks for joining me. So the Prime Minister
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: says he has a plan to tackle hate, He's going
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: to unveil it in the next few days.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Why has it taken so long to get to this point.
• 30:07
  Speaker 15: It's a terrible shame that has taken this long. I
• 30:10
  Speaker 15: would say, though I probably have a slightly different focus
• 30:14
  Speaker 15: when dealing with these issues and the Prime Minister and
• 30:17
  Speaker 15: my own leader, I sometimes think we're focusing on hate
• 30:20
  Speaker 15: speech instead of the actual crimes that are being committed.
• 30:23
  Speaker 15: There's a heap of crimes that can already be prosecuted
• 30:26
  Speaker 15: under existing laws. In this case, we saw arson, threatening behavior, intimidation,
• 30:32
  Speaker 15: inciting violence. All of these things can already be prosecuted.
• 30:36
  Speaker 15: These things can be acted upon now. We don't need
• 30:38
  Speaker 15: a new pathway to combat hate. There are things that
• 30:42
  Speaker 15: can be done now. There's actual crimes that can be
• 30:45
  Speaker 15: prosecuted now. But I would point out it's a real
• 30:48
  Speaker 15: challenge here. We now have a multicultural society and there
• 30:52
  Speaker 15: are some cultures that hate others. That's a fact. I've
• 30:55
  Speaker 15: lived in the Middle East. I've seen it with my
• 30:57
  Speaker 15: own eyes. I've experienced it. This is what's been brought
• 31:00
  Speaker 15: into Australia, and I don't think we have a strong
• 31:02
  Speaker 15: control over the culture that we're trying to create here
• 31:04
  Speaker 15: in Australia anymore.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Look, I think thank you for raising that, because I
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: think half the problem is, and a lot of politicians
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: don't want to talk about it, is that it can
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: be said that we've brought people into this country, some
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: who hate us, some who hate our values, and some
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: who simply do not want to assimilate. We've also got
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: to remember, Gath that we brought in three thousand garzens
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: with little to know security checks.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Why aren't we having this broader conversation.
• 31:31
  Speaker 15: It's the obvious conversations I think a lot of Australians
• 31:33
  Speaker 15: are having around the country. Remember, what we're talking about
• 31:38
  Speaker 15: here is a country that we love. We want to
• 31:40
  Speaker 15: be people that can look after people in times of trouble.
• 31:44
  Speaker 15: We want to be a big, expansive country that's growing,
• 31:47
  Speaker 15: that's bold, that's confident in itself. I think it's impossible
• 31:51
  Speaker 15: to say that we aren't now in a crisis in
• 31:55
  Speaker 15: terms of our social cohesion, in terms of the social
• 31:57
  Speaker 15: contract that we've experienced in for years, the peace and
• 32:02
  Speaker 15: the togetherness that we've experienced. I think that's under threat,
• 32:05
  Speaker 15: and I think it's under threat because of deliberate decisions
• 32:08
  Speaker 15: that have been made by this government in recent years.
• 32:12
  Speaker 15: When we have immigration of this level, there's not a
• 32:14
  Speaker 15: statement against the immigrants coming here. It's our capacity in
• 32:17
  Speaker 15: any way to absorb this great rate of change that's happening.
• 32:21
  Speaker 15: I don't think it's fair on those who are coming here,
• 32:23
  Speaker 15: and I certainly don't think it's fair on people who
• 32:25
  Speaker 15: are here. And it extends far beyond the issues we're
• 32:28
  Speaker 15: talking about on this particular topic extends to our entire government.
• 32:33
  Speaker 15: We've talked about housing before, the impacts there on services
• 32:36
  Speaker 15: on our economy. These are all things that we need
• 32:38
  Speaker 15: to consider and I don't think we have.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: No, we haven't and as he said, a lot of
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: politicians are very scared to even touch this topic, but
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: you know it needs it needs to be said absolutely.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Now let's move to Liberal Party matters now, because some
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: within the party have slammed the push for US style
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: primaries to be introduced as part of a revamp of
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: pre selection.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: One Liberal MP has told The Daily Telegraph the.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Hypocrisy of the people who subverted the pre selection process
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: now wanting to redesign it is shocking. The factional protection
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: rackets and the New South Wales Liberal Party are hurting us.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Garth.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: We were talking to you about this on Deneka and
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: James on Sunday night and you raised a really good
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: point that I remember you said that the Liberal Party
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: are spending a lot of time talking about themselves and
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: telling voters, well, this is what we need to do
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: to win, not how we can make your lives better.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: And now suddenly we've got pre selection being a focus
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: this week.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Do you support this plan firstly and should we care
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: about pre selection right now?
• 33:36
  Speaker 15: Well? No, to be very clear, no, I don't support it.
• 33:39
  Speaker 15: I don't think the US is particularly the political model
• 33:41
  Speaker 15: that anyone should be adopting. If you see the split
• 33:45
  Speaker 15: that you can see politically over there. Look, there's a
• 33:49
  Speaker 15: real message here I think I want to give to
• 33:51
  Speaker 15: party members out there who are watching your show. We're
• 33:54
  Speaker 15: not blaming you. You're not the problem. We didn't lose
• 33:56
  Speaker 15: because of pre selection or process or what our party
• 34:00
  Speaker 15: members have done. We lost because we made very bad
• 34:03
  Speaker 15: political mistakes, mistakes like the one we're making now by
• 34:06
  Speaker 15: falling into Labour's trap of talking about gender and quotas
• 34:11
  Speaker 15: and our pre selection processes. We need to get out
• 34:14
  Speaker 15: of that. We need to get add that very very quickly.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Garth Hamilton, you're always spot on. Really appreciate you joining me.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Thanks very much for your time this evening. Well coming
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: up after the break, A double murderer applies to be
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: transferred to a women's prison because they now claim that
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: they identify as a woman. Plus, the childcare sector says
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: it's struggling to protect children due to a lack of
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: staff I'll discuss this and more with my panel next.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Welcome back.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Joining me now is the panel GT Communications Gemma Tonini
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: and Executive Director at the Institute of Public Affairs Scott Hargreaves.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Hi to both of you, thanks so much for joining
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: me here.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Great to have you. Thank you for joining me now.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: I want to start with this story that was on
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: the front page of the Daily Telegraph today. A double
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: murderer who's been undergo hormone replacement therapy has applied to
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: be transferred to a women's prison. The papers reporting that
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: convicted killer Terry Mark Donnie, who is serving a forty
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: three year sentence and now identifies as female and has
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: adopted the name McKenzie, made an application to the New
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: South Wales Corrective Services Department in twenty twenty three to
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: be transferred. Now, in the last few hours that application
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: has been quashed. The acting New South Wales Premier Ryan
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Parks said it won't be happening, but Jemma, to me,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: this raises just bigger issues in society right now, where
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: you've got a man who just says I'm a woman
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: wants to be transferred. We've got selfie de laws across
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: the country and this is where the problems are.
• 35:40
  Speaker 16: Well, this is exactly what happens when you treat such
• 35:44
  Speaker 16: a serious, serious matter as if it were as simple
• 35:48
  Speaker 16: as changing a coat. To self identification, I mean, just
• 35:52
  Speaker 16: unpack that phrase briefly. I self identify as many things,
• 35:56
  Speaker 16: but you self identify as another gender and that to
• 35:59
  Speaker 16: see you live your life in peace, I have no
• 36:01
  Speaker 16: issue with that. But the minute that infringes on my
• 36:03
  Speaker 16: rights as a woman, no, And the women who are
• 36:07
  Speaker 16: housed in the correctional facility here in New South Wales
• 36:10
  Speaker 16: deserve safety, deserve agency in that safety. It is a
• 36:15
  Speaker 16: women's prison. This is a problem that has been created
• 36:18
  Speaker 16: by successive governments and dare I say reaping what they sow?
• 36:22
  Speaker 16: And let me be really clear, this isn't a judgment
• 36:24
  Speaker 16: on a person's gender identity or whether they identify as anything.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: It's the consequences of that.
• 36:30
  Speaker 16: Decision, and that has never seriously been thought out.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: No, and I completely agree with you. And look this
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: isn't the first time, Scott. I mean even in Melbourne
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: where you are, a couple of years ago a trans
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: prisoner convicted of sex offenses was moved to a female
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: based prison and that caused a huge uproar. How captured
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: are these institutions?
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: Oh well, that's exactly the point. And yes, Victoria, as
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: always is the great social laboratory which shows what we
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: should not be doing. And so yeah, the scandal here
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: is that the application, as you said, Toneka, was made
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: in twenty twenty three, and so there's a bunch of
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: bureaucrats now who are just terrified to make a decision.
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: They didn't make one in the affirmative. They didn't grant
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: the application, that's something. But clearly they're sitting there terrified
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: of what the political system the media is going to
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: do to them because everyone's been tied themselves up in
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: knots with this push. And credit to the government that actually,
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: when it finally surfaced as a public issue, the answer
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: was no, which is what it should have been in
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: the first place, a thousand times no. And let's hope
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: that this is a sign that people have had enough.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and good point.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: You know, they've sat on this for since twenty twenty three.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Deciding whether or not it was appropriate has to not
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: offend anyone. And this is the exact issue we're seeing
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: with so many problems right now now.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: An impersonator has used AI to contact.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: At least three foreign ministers, pretending to be US Secretary
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: of State Marco Rubio. Foreign Minister Penny Wong's office has
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: declined to comment on whether she was one of the
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: ministers who was contacted. Jimal I just can't believe that
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: something like this was to happen. I know the dangers
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: and the risks of AI right now, but the fact
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: it could go this far, I just think it's frightening.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: It's terrifying.
• 38:14
  Speaker 16: It's not surprising, and I seriously doubt they could be
• 38:16
  Speaker 16: bothered with Pennywong given the state of US American.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Seriously, I'm not being sarcastic about it.
• 38:21
  Speaker 16: The state of Australia's relationship with our most important strategic
• 38:25
  Speaker 16: ally is not not good. So I doubt that he'd
• 38:28
  Speaker 16: have time this person to bother at Penny Wong's office.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: It is the dark underbelly of AI.
• 38:36
  Speaker 16: It is the part of this tech, this surge in
• 38:38
  Speaker 16: technology that we need to confront, and we need to
• 38:41
  Speaker 16: confront with absolute alacrity, and it needs regulation and all
• 38:45
  Speaker 16: of the things. I feel like we're we're sort of
• 38:48
  Speaker 16: running to stand still in many ways, you know, even
• 38:51
  Speaker 16: on a platform as silly as you know, Twitter, slash x,
• 38:55
  Speaker 16: whatever you want to call it.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Hello to all the twitters out there.
• 38:58
  Speaker 16: You know I've got someone impersonating me. There's nothing I
• 39:00
  Speaker 16: can do about it, although who would be bored enough
• 39:02
  Speaker 16: to reasonate me is a question for another day. This
• 39:06
  Speaker 16: is the technological age we live in. There has to
• 39:10
  Speaker 16: be gate there has to be gatekeepers, there has to
• 39:12
  Speaker 16: be things in place to at least flag the warning signs,
• 39:18
  Speaker 16: and we need to become more savvy about it.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: No, I completely agree. Excuse, please don't die. I'm not
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: good in a crisis. No, I don't a crisis. Iey, clearly.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: What do you think about this, Scott?
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: I mean I think it's frightening the way that AI
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: is going.
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I flip what Jemma said, though. I think
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: if someone had said to Penny Wong that Marco Rubio
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: is on the phone, she would have said, as if
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: because they've got no reason to call us at the moment,
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: given the way that we've been treating the alliance. But
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: certainly it is the way of the future, and in
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: some ways I'm less worried about official channels because we
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: are spending literally billions on cyber warfare, and we do.
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: You have some smart people, thank goodness, working on this,
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: but it is very scary for society. Think of all
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: the scams that are already being run on vulnerable Australians,
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: hundreds of millions of dollars being troused by bad actors
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: using AI and similar techniques. This is part of the
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: scary new world that we seem to live in.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's unregulated, so gosh knows what could happen. Now,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: let's talk about childcare because a survey of staff has
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: found that they can't guarantee the safety of children as
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: they struggle with understaffing.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Jemma, this was a United Workers' Union survey. I think
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: it's quite frightening right.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Now because given the allegations in the sector of child abuse,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: but they're finding that they can't retain enough staff, they
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: can't attract enough staff to the sector.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: And kids are the vulnerable ones here. What do we
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: need to do.
• 40:50
  Speaker 16: Well, I'm just going to repeat some of what I
• 40:51
  Speaker 16: said on Chris Kenny Shaw on Monday night. The problem
• 40:54
  Speaker 16: is the ideological approach to the care of our children
• 40:58
  Speaker 16: and this successive government, I should say, but particularly this
• 41:01
  Speaker 16: government has an ideological bent that says the best option
• 41:05
  Speaker 16: is institutionalized early care for children as young as three.
• 41:08
  Speaker 16: That flies in the face of every piece of data
• 41:11
  Speaker 16: around the world best practice that says children thrive in
• 41:14
  Speaker 16: that zero to three period, zero to four period when
• 41:17
  Speaker 16: they are in the care of their primary caregiver, whether
• 41:20
  Speaker 16: that's a mother, a father, a family member, a close
• 41:23
  Speaker 16: personal they can talk about forming those emotional bonds.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: You should read.
• 41:27
  Speaker 16: Erica Commisar's work on this subject. It's outstanding. Virginia Tapscott
• 41:31
  Speaker 16: also outstanding. This is again it's a case of decades
• 41:36
  Speaker 16: of poor policy coming home to roost. Wherever there are
• 41:39
  Speaker 16: subsidies involved in a sector, be at green energy, be
• 41:42
  Speaker 16: at childcare, be at anything there is the opportunity for grift.
• 41:46
  Speaker 16: You've got an industry that cannot attract the right kind.
• 41:49
  Speaker 16: What is the right kind of person to care for
• 41:51
  Speaker 16: your child? Like I said on Aerimannada, I wouldn't put
• 41:53
  Speaker 16: my dog in full time care of a stranger or
• 41:56
  Speaker 16: a rotating, rotating cavalcade.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Of strangers at any age.
• 42:01
  Speaker 16: We're treating children as if they're a commodity, and we're
• 42:04
  Speaker 16: treating women as if their only purpose is to work.
• 42:06
  Speaker 16: Women deserve agency. We need to reform the way we
• 42:09
  Speaker 16: look at it. We need to provide family based care options.
• 42:12
  Speaker 16: If the government's going to say I'm going to give
• 42:14
  Speaker 16: families one hundred and fifty dollars a week to contribute
• 42:17
  Speaker 16: to the cost of their childcare, families should have agency
• 42:20
  Speaker 16: to say, great, I'm going to pay that to my grandmother.
• 42:22
  Speaker 16: I'm going to pay that to my friend who happens
• 42:24
  Speaker 16: to be a qualified child psychologist or a teacher as
• 42:26
  Speaker 16: a relationship with my child. It shouldn't be your one
• 42:29
  Speaker 16: hundred and fifty bucks needs to go into the system
• 42:32
  Speaker 16: that we have kind of gamed as well.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: No, I completely agree with you. It's utterly bizarre. We've
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: run out of time. Great to chat with you both, Gemataniini,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Scott Hargrieves, thanks so much for joining me on the
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: show this evening.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Thank you well, stay with us. Coming up after the break, Elon.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Musk tells us who is in the is in the
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Epstein files, or so he says, Plus the President says,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin is full of bes quite literally.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Kosher Garda will join us next. Welcome back. Well.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: The riff between Elon Musk and Donald Trump has deepened
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: after the tech billionaire declared former Trump advisor Steve Bannon
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: is in the Jeffrey Epstein files. He posted the comment
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: in response to a tweet from another former Trump advisor,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Roger Stone, who was asking why mister Bannon had met
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: with Epstein after his convictions. Joining me now is Sky
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: News contributor at Kosher Gada Kocha. Good to see you,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me. Look, the bromance it's well and
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: truly over. But this is quite a startling claim by Musk.
• 43:33
  Speaker 11: It certainly is great to be with you, Danika. You know,
• 43:35
  Speaker 11: the plot thickens, and the theories and conspiracy theories thickened
• 43:39
  Speaker 11: because there is an information void out there. A lot
• 43:42
  Speaker 11: of people have been quite surprised by the news this
• 43:44
  Speaker 11: week coming out of the administration that said Elon Musk
• 43:48
  Speaker 11: is not exactly a reliable narrator on this front, because he,
• 43:52
  Speaker 11: as we all remember, just two weeks ago, accused President
• 43:54
  Speaker 11: Trump of being in the files and then promptly deleted
• 43:57
  Speaker 11: that tweet for many reasons and that he didn't come
• 43:59
  Speaker 11: up fare well on that. Nobody believes that for a second,
• 44:02
  Speaker 11: because Joe Biden would have been the first to release
• 44:04
  Speaker 11: that if that were true. So when he goes out
• 44:07
  Speaker 11: and accuses other people, I think people are unlikely to
• 44:10
  Speaker 11: believe it at face value, though anything is certainly possible.
• 44:12
  Speaker 11: On the flip side, the Trump administration hasn't exactly handled
• 44:15
  Speaker 11: this well and either and a lot of people in
• 44:17
  Speaker 11: their base are not happy with several especially Pam Bondi
• 44:21
  Speaker 11: and Alina Harbor and people like that in the administration
• 44:23
  Speaker 11: that seem to have been all over the place on
• 44:25
  Speaker 11: the messaging. So it's really a mess and a lot
• 44:27
  Speaker 11: of people are making political hay out of it.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very very clear. Now I've got to ask
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: you about some comments that Donald Trump has made. He's
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: lashed out of Vladimir person claiming he talks a lot
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: of bs when it comes to Ukraine.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: This is what he said.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: I'm not happy with Pout, I can tell you that
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: much right now, because he's killing a lot of people,
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: and a lot of them are his soldiers. We get
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: a lot of thrown at us by poot For you
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: want to know the.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Truth, Kosher, It was only a few months ago Trump
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: said that Ukraine started the war, which was of course wrong.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Why sentiment now towards Putent.
• 45:04
  Speaker 11: You know, I think what President Trump is showing is
• 45:06
  Speaker 11: that he is ultimately after peace and after deal making.
• 45:10
  Speaker 11: He's a peacemaker and a deal maker, and he understands,
• 45:13
  Speaker 11: he's a realist. He understands that none of these actors
• 45:15
  Speaker 11: are good. Things are gray, it's not black and white,
• 45:19
  Speaker 11: and so he has never thrown down fully for Ukraine.
• 45:22
  Speaker 11: He's no fan of Zelenski, as we know, and he's
• 45:25
  Speaker 11: also showing people that actually, when the situation is the
• 45:28
  Speaker 11: way it is right now, as he mentioned, and the
• 45:30
  Speaker 11: fighting continues and all that, he's not particularly a fan
• 45:32
  Speaker 11: of Putin either. He just wants to get a deal done.
• 45:35
  Speaker 11: Saying that you could say about Israel and Gaza as well,
• 45:37
  Speaker 11: in terms of how he's hit out at all both
• 45:39
  Speaker 11: sides of that. And I think that's kind of what
• 45:41
  Speaker 11: he's doing, where he wants these conflicts to end, and
• 45:44
  Speaker 11: he's frustrated with just the lack of urgency, it seems,
• 45:48
  Speaker 11: from both sides, to be able to come to the
• 45:49
  Speaker 11: table and negotiate some kind of peace settlement.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's interesting because the White House has
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: now asked the Pentagon for options for sending you create
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: additional weapons, but Trump's been doing and throwing that a
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: military four Kiev for weeks now. You just got to
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: wonder what's going on Kosher, And.
• 46:07
  Speaker 11: I think that was interesting. I think he wants to
• 46:10
  Speaker 11: keep his options open.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: He likes to be unpredictable.
• 46:12
  Speaker 11: That's something that he's talked about many times, even before
• 46:15
  Speaker 11: he entered the political arena. And it is an option.
• 46:18
  Speaker 11: All options are on the table for any negotiation. That's
• 46:21
  Speaker 11: one form of leverage certainly that the US has to
• 46:24
  Speaker 11: try and draw a photen out and get him to
• 46:26
  Speaker 11: the table if that's what he's after. On the other hand,
• 46:28
  Speaker 11: he is personally against it. He knows his bases against it.
• 46:31
  Speaker 11: The American public is against sending more money.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: It's enough is.
• 46:35
  Speaker 11: Enough, as sort of the sentiment back home, we have
• 46:37
  Speaker 11: our own problems to fix and can't keep sending unlimited
• 46:40
  Speaker 11: money and weapons to other conflicts all around the world.
• 46:43
  Speaker 11: So I think he's kind of juggling sort of a
• 46:45
  Speaker 11: balancing act of all those things. But he definitely wants
• 46:47
  Speaker 11: to understand his options, and that's why he probably asked
• 46:49
  Speaker 11: the Pentagon to drop those plans.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be actually interesting to say what happens there.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Given Donald Trump's been flip flopping on this issue. Now
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: you alluded to this before, but Donald Trump and Israeley
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Benjamin Nyaw, who have met twice now in the space
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: of twenty four hours, but there's still yet to be
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: a cease fire resolution for Gaza Kosha.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: How much is riding on getting a deal.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Over the line while these two are having their meetings,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: I mean a.
• 47:19
  Speaker 11: Lot in terms of timing, for sure, because this is
• 47:21
  Speaker 11: dragged on as well for too long, and Trump really
• 47:25
  Speaker 11: wants to kind of finish this as much as possible
• 47:26
  Speaker 11: so you can return to the domestic agenda, which she
• 47:29
  Speaker 11: is pursuing. But these are sort of distractions that are
• 47:31
  Speaker 11: very serious on the world stage that he obviously plays
• 47:33
  Speaker 11: a role in. Whether it happens in the next forty
• 47:37
  Speaker 11: eight hours while they're together or in short order thereafter
• 47:40
  Speaker 11: remains to be seen. There's often stagecraft when state leaders
• 47:43
  Speaker 11: are meeting and what they're conveying public le versus what's
• 47:46
  Speaker 11: happening with different backchannels and diplomatic channels and all of that.
• 47:49
  Speaker 11: But I think they've aligned on a framework. I don't
• 47:52
  Speaker 11: know how much progress is being made as we sit here.
• 47:54
  Speaker 11: In the next twenty four to forty eight hours. But
• 47:56
  Speaker 11: the framework is get the hostages out, try to get
• 47:59
  Speaker 11: to a ceasefire holds, and then do what they're calling
• 48:02
  Speaker 11: the day after, which is some kind of humanitarian zone
• 48:04
  Speaker 11: for the Ghazan Palestinian citizens separate from Hamas that they
• 48:09
  Speaker 11: can reside in and kind of fracture that the hole
• 48:12
  Speaker 11: that Hamas has had over them. That's a framework they're
• 48:14
  Speaker 11: working towards. It's very complicated, lots of mediators are involved,
• 48:18
  Speaker 11: and hopefully we get there sooner rather than later.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, that's that's certainly the hope to come
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: out of this. There will be finally some peace. And
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: of course the Israeli PMS nominated Donald Trump as well
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: for the Novel.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Peace Prize, so if he pulls this one off, I'm
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: sure he'll.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Be a worthy worthy nominee. Good to see you, Koshagada,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much for joining me. That's it from
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: me tonight. Thanks for your company. Now here's Sharry Markson