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8.8.26 Seth Grossman WPG Radio. Are last Saturday’s brawls in Atlantic City becoming normal. Zoning laws cause stagnation and high prices. Why don’t NJ pension funds pay cost-of-living increases? · Seth Grossman – Liberty and Prosperity

• 0:00
  - We'll probably begin
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  - by talking about the series of violent incidents
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  - that took place last Saturday
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  - on the boardwalk in Atlantic City.
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  - I don't know if you heard much about
• 0:12
  - it, but it's been all over Facebook, YouTube,
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  - all the social media.
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  - Apparently, it began,
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  - last Saturday night, August 1,
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  - at when there was a fight at the
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  - bungalow beach bar,
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  - in the beach, I guess, off the, the
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  - Tropicana Casino.
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  - And then they canceled a party there. About
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  - 400 people went on the boardwalk,
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  - and there were fights on a boardwalk, and
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  - then many more moved into
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  - the club voice at the Tropicana
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  - and where there was another big fight. And
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  - then there was a the the fight spilled
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  - over into the, I guess, the quarter section
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  - of the Tropicana.
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  - Then it went outside to the Chelsea Inn,
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  - which is closed, but apparently there was a
• 0:54
  - fight outside, and then the wonder bar.
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  - And, of course, when you look at the
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  - video that's been posted,
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  - almost everyone involved were,
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  - young black,
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  - mostly,
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  - it looks like overweight.
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  - You know, I guess the the the dress
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  - poorly dressed,
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  - you know, black young men, black young women,
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  - the classic what they what, I guess, Thomas
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  - Sowell would call the black redneck culture or
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  - ghetto culture.
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  - And out of all that, it looked like,
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  - four or five people were arrested,
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  - and that is it.
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  - And and so the question is, is that
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  - killing Atlantic City?
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  - And and it's bringing back memories
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  - back before we had casinos. And I don't
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  - know if you remember this,
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  - but back in 1971,
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  - somebody was shot and killed on the boardwalk.
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  - And it it took place,
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  - at a remote section of the boardwalk
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  - and,
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  - you know, right by the inlet.
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  - And but I remember being in in in
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  - the military in,
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  - in South Carolina at the time, and everybody
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  - in South Carolina was talking about somebody getting,
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  - you know, shot and killed on the Boardwalk
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  - Of Atlantic City.
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  - And then,
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  - I guess the following year, you had the,
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  - the shootout at the club Harlem in Atlantic
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  - City,
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  - and that was the end of the club
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  - Harlem.
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  - And a couple years later, somebody threw a
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  - beer bottle or a beer can at a
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  - Miss America contestant during the Miss America parade.
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  - And, really, that perception of violence,
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  - that perception of a ghetto culture in Atlantic
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  - City killed Atlantic City.
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  - And that created the need
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  - for the casinos. We had the casinos. We
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  - had,
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  - forty years of boom in Atlantic City,
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  - but we we never dealt with that problem.
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  - And,
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  - and I don't know if if this is
• 2:45
  - going to hurt Atlantic City again,
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  - but it seems that dealing with this perception
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  - or this crime problem, homeless problem, whatever you
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  - wanna call it, if the word gets out
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  - there that Atlantic City is unsafe, Atlantic City
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  - is unpleasant
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  - Yeah. You could spend hundreds of millions of
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  - dollars on redevelopment projects,
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  - but it won't do any good. And we'd
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  - see how this perception
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  - has killed amusement parks,
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  - has killed
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  - cruise ship lines,
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  - has killed the the brand names of a
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  - lot of resorts because people, you know, have
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  - to deal with this when they live, you
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  - know, live in a town, but they don't
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  - have to go on vacation to to put
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  - up with it. And I don't know if
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  - you heard much about that incident
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  - or or what's being done to stop it.
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  - No. I really didn't hear about it, and
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  - then you did shed a lot of light
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  - on this. But it's been an ongoing problem,
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  - and like you said and I remember that
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  - thing in 1971
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  - because I worked I worked here for a
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  - brief period in that time frame.
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  - And So so it's it's just an ongoing
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  - problem. I don't know what they do about
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  - it. You're right, though.
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  - You know, you can spend all the money
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  - you want, and you're not gonna get people
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  - to come here if they're afraid.
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  - Well, but the the good news is because
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  - what is tolerated
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  - in other towns
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  - cannot be tolerated in a resort,
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  - it should mobilize us to wanna start dealing
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  - with it. So we have to start honestly
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  - talking about
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  - how we have to stop glamorizing
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  - and rewarding and putting up with bad behavior.
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  - We gotta put criminals,
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  - in prison and keep them there because basically
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  - when criminals do stuff and nothing happens to
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  - them, there are no consequences,
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  - of course more people are gonna do it.
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  - And a lot of these dangerous criminals are
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  - being released
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  - because we don't have enough jails, We don't
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  - have enough prisons.
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  - We don't have any politicians even talking about
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  - the need for it.
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  - And then we have to talk about all
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  - the welfare programs that make it possible
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  - for people to get everything they want. Good
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  - housing, good medical care, good food, good meals,
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  - all this stuff without bothering to work or
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  - save or have any discipline whatsoever.
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  - And and somewhat related to this is the
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  - minimum wage.
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  - You know, when they every time they raise
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  - the minimum wage,
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  - what it does, it it doesn't end any
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  - poverty. It just means that,
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  - businesses are not gonna hire,
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  - you know, marginal workers. You know, when when
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  - you have people who have never had a
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  - job before, they're not used to having a
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  - job,
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  - they'll show up late. They won't take discipline.
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  - They'll leave early. They won't do what they're
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  - supposed to do.
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  - So to compensate for that in the past,
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  - businesses will have to pay them
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  - low wages because, you know, the boss would
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  - would have to do twice as much management
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  - work to get them to do their jobs.
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  - But once you're you're, you know, someone is
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  - forced to pay $16.17,
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  - $18 an hour,
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  - you know, why would they bother dealing with
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  - marginal people? So now you're having,
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  - people, young people,
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  - they're turning 23, 24 years old, and they've
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  - never had a job in their life. So,
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  - that's a major problem.
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  - And, you know, in a resort like Atlantic
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  - City, we have plenty of unskilled jobs,
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  - you know, that could be teaching people how
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  - to have normal lives, but we're not doing
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  - that right now. And, we ought to think
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  - about it.
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  - Boy, you you just said a lot there
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  - in your your opening comments.
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  - But, by the way, the the other thing
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  - and and and somewhat related to this in,
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  - you know, it shows the state of of
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  - things. In city hall, they named
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  - Atlantic City's city hall after Ernest Coursey.
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  - Now there was a time when we named
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  - public buildings after, you know, people who achieved
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  - something,
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  - who did something great, who excelled in something.
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  - And, of course, you know, without,
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  - one of the reasons I I'm sort of
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  - close to Ernest Coursey,
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  - is because when I became went on city
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  - council
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  - in 1986
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  - in Atlantic City,
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  - one of the first things on on,
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  - on city council was I sued the council
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  - president,
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  - Walter Colette,
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  - for illegally hiring Ernest Coursey
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  - to basically be his personal driver
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  - and and, you know, guy to do all
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  - of his errands.
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  - And, his title was clerk typist, but he
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  - didn't know how to type.
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  - So we had this whole thing. And finally,
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  - Ernest Coursey was allowed to be legally hired
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  - as a personal aid to the council president.
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  - But basically Ernest Korsy,
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  - is now a role model.
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  - And in a way, it's tragic because what
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  - were his achievements?
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  - When he was,
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  - I guess, 19 years old, he started,
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  - took a political job
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  - driving the council president around.
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  - He learned politics. Eventually,
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  - he ran for city council himself.
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  - Eventually, he became a county freeholder.
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  - So he so how did he succeed? He
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  - would do favors for people
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  - and in return for doing favors paid for
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  - with government money.
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  - People would vote for him.
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  - He'd spend his time turning out the vote
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  - to get the the voters to vote for
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  - every
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  - candidate the Democrats nominated
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  - from, I guess,
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  - governor, from president, right down to city council.
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  - He did that for about twenty or twenty
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  - five years,
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  - and then he got himself appointed to a
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  - full time government
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  - job. And as you know, when you, in
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  - New Jersey, our pension system,
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  - there's no connection between how much money you
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  - put into the pensions and how much money
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  - you get paid.
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  - The, New Jersey pensions are based on how
• 8:18
  - much you're making during your last three, four,
• 8:20
  - or five years before you retire.
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  - So it's very normal for these, people to
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  - get part time political jobs like Ernest Corsi.
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  - And then just before you're ready to retire,
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  - get promoted to a full time job. And
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  - I think he was,
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  - became chief of staff to mayor Marty Small.
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  - And then you retire, and then you retire
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  - with a pension based on, like, an $80.90,
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  - $100,000
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  - salary, and he retires comfortably.
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  - Tragically, he he got sick and he died.
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  - But is that a role model? And I'm
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  - afraid that it is. That that's the model
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  - for a young black man,
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  - in America today.
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  - That your only
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  - ways to success
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  - are either professional sports
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  - or politics.
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  - And when you and I grew up, you
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  - know, we had, you know, blacks, were owning
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  - hotels, owning restaurants, Reggie hedge Edge Hill. You
• 9:10
  - know, you had Sarah Spencer Washington.
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  - All these business opportunities,
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  - but now there are no business opportunities for
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  - young people in America.
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  - And the proof of it is you have
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  - a millionaire named Eustace Meade that can't even
• 9:23
  - get a permit to build a hotel
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  - on a boardwalk in Ocean City. Yeah. So
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  - if a millionaire can't can't get a a
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  - permit to build a hotel, how could any
• 9:33
  - ordinary young person get permits to,
• 9:35
  - you know, to do anything? And and that's
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  - something that we have to be also be
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  - thinking about.
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  - What is your what is your take or
• 9:43
  - what is your thoughts on changing that? In
• 9:46
  - other words, making it easier
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  - for people to go into business or to
• 9:51
  - to do business with New Jersey.
• 9:53
  - I ironically, we're actually seeing that in Somers
• 9:55
  - Point as well.
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  - And you had one council man called Sean
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  - McGuigan in Somers Point.
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  - He wanted to make it easier to get
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  - permits,
• 10:04
  - to open up new businesses in Somers Point.
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  - And
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  - as you know, Somers Point, like most towns
• 10:10
  - Atlantic City, have these zoning laws, which basically
• 10:14
  - say that 95%
• 10:16
  - of every single property in the town is
• 10:18
  - in violation of something.
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  - So if you wanna build anything, you need
• 10:23
  - a variance or an exception
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  - to the zoning laws, and there are two
• 10:27
  - ways to do that. Either have to have
• 10:28
  - the city develop a whole redevelopment
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  - plan just for you, and you need a
• 10:33
  - whole bunch of money, and you need political
• 10:35
  - influence and all that stuff to get that,
• 10:38
  - or you need a variance. And if and
• 10:40
  - to get a variance,
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  - you have to give notices to all everyone
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  - who lives within 200,
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  - feet of your property. And if you made
• 10:47
  - an enemy somewhere along the line, that person's
• 10:49
  - gonna be there to tell you tell the
• 10:51
  - whole world why you shouldn't get a permit.
• 10:53
  - And it's very difficult. So you you've got
• 10:55
  - to change these laws. And, basically,
• 10:58
  - you know, if I had my way, say
• 11:00
  - whatever is legal in the town right now,
• 11:03
  - you should be legal to continue doing that
• 11:06
  - same thing.
• 11:07
  - So if you had a a previous business
• 11:10
  - did not have parking spaces,
• 11:12
  - your new business should not have to have
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  - parking spaces either.
• 11:16
  - And and if and the proof of it,
• 11:17
  - just look at Somers Point. I was actually
• 11:20
  - sitting
• 11:21
  - on the balcony of the Anchorage,
• 11:23
  - tavern looking across at what used to be
• 11:26
  - the Bayshore's two restaurant
• 11:28
  - and a thriving marina.
• 11:30
  - That lot's been empty for about ten or
• 11:31
  - twenty years. You know, down the street, you
• 11:34
  - had something you used to call it a
• 11:35
  - doll the Dolphin Dock. Used to be a
• 11:38
  - business for fishermen.
• 11:39
  - So there's nothing wrong with someone with a
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  - business
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  - who does a business their whole life and
• 11:44
  - then they retire.
• 11:46
  - And and somebody new
• 11:48
  - wants to start a new business because, you
• 11:50
  - know, taste change.
• 11:52
  - But to say that the the the new
• 11:54
  - business has to meet all these
• 11:57
  - requirements that the old business never had to
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  - require. And and let's say, God forbid, let's
• 12:01
  - say the business is successful and it has
• 12:03
  - a whole bunch of customers,
• 12:04
  - and now there are not enough parking spaces
• 12:07
  - on the street. Well, what happens?
• 12:09
  - Well, in Summers Point, you know, you used
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  - to have a whole big parking lot in
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  - front of the hospital that's been closed down.
• 12:15
  - You could, you know, pave over the grass
• 12:17
  - and have that parking lot there again. You
• 12:19
  - could have a parking lot where the nursing
• 12:21
  - home could be. You could do all sorts
• 12:23
  - of things.
• 12:24
  - You could have shuttle buses running.
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  - When people are making money, when businesses are
• 12:29
  - succeeding,
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  - there's always ways
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  - to,
• 12:32
  - to to make things work. But the trouble
• 12:35
  - with our boomer generation
• 12:37
  - is, you have all these people who say,
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  - yeah. When I grew up in Somers Point,
• 12:41
  - there were more people on Bay Avenue in
• 12:44
  - Somers Point than you had on the Ocean
• 12:45
  - City Boardwalk.
• 12:47
  - And, yeah, it was bustling. You had all
• 12:48
  - these businesses. You had Tony March. You had
• 12:50
  - Bayshore's, all this. But now that I have
• 12:52
  - my little
• 12:53
  - house, I wanna look at a quiet empty
• 12:55
  - lot. I don't wanna be bothered with traffic.
• 12:58
  - So it's basically the boomer generation really
• 13:01
  - smothering
• 13:02
  - the generation that came after us, telling them
• 13:04
  - they can't have the opportunities and enjoyment
• 13:07
  - we
• 13:08
  - had. So no wonder they can't stand us.
• 13:12
  - Yeah. Now that you put it that way,
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  - you're right.
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  - Sorry about that. And and finally, there's there's
• 13:17
  - there's this one other point that, was talked
• 13:19
  - about on the Harry Harry Hurley program a
• 13:22
  - lot, and that is the issue of retired
• 13:25
  - police officers and firefighters
• 13:27
  - have not had cost of living increases in
• 13:30
  - their pensions
• 13:31
  - for the past sixteen years.
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  - And, you know, they're calling for justice to,
• 13:37
  - to to lobby our our state politicians to
• 13:40
  - change the law to get them cost of
• 13:42
  - living increases.
• 13:43
  - So here's the the final thought that we
• 13:45
  - have to think of.
• 13:47
  - Well,
• 13:48
  - do private people,
• 13:50
  - get cost of living increases?
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  - In other words, if I put money into
• 13:56
  - my four zero one k or my retirement
• 13:58
  - program
• 13:59
  - and, and I put enough money aside so
• 14:02
  - I could retire on $40,000
• 14:04
  - a year and then get increases.
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  - But if I decide to to take out
• 14:08
  - $80,000
• 14:09
  - a year,
• 14:10
  - I'm gonna use up the money I saved.
• 14:12
  - And not only will I not get any,
• 14:15
  - you know, cost of living increases, I won't
• 14:17
  - get anything.
• 14:19
  - So what happened to the New Jersey pension
• 14:21
  - system?
• 14:22
  - And as I pointed out, the New Jersey
• 14:24
  - pension system from the get go
• 14:26
  - had no relationship
• 14:28
  - between how much money you pay into the
• 14:30
  - system and how much money you get out.
• 14:34
  - You know, you look at these small towns.
• 14:36
  - Every year, they get a new police chief.
• 14:38
  - And I won't name the specifics, but you
• 14:40
  - know why they get a new police chief?
• 14:42
  - Because,
• 14:43
  - when police officers in these small towns are
• 14:45
  - getting ready to retire,
• 14:47
  - their salary may be, say, $80,000
• 14:49
  - a year, and their pension is based on
• 14:51
  - $80,000 a year. But if they get appointed
• 14:54
  - chief just before they retire, their salary goes
• 14:57
  - up to a $160,000
• 14:58
  - a year, and then they get a pension
• 15:00
  - based on a salary at a $160,000
• 15:03
  - a year. But they never put any money
• 15:04
  - into the system based on that salary. You
• 15:07
  - based on that salary. You see what I'm
• 15:08
  - saying? Yeah. So so we have to talk
• 15:10
  - about that.
• 15:11
  - And I don't know if you remember when
• 15:12
  - the police officers, several years ago,
• 15:15
  - lobbied
• 15:16
  - for 25 and out. They wanted to get
• 15:19
  - pensions after twenty five years of service
• 15:22
  - regardless of their age.
• 15:24
  - So by my arithmetic, if someone starts as
• 15:27
  - a police officer at age 22,
• 15:29
  - that meant you had police officers eligible
• 15:32
  - to retire at age 47.
• 15:34
  - Most taxpayers don't get to retire at age
• 15:37
  - 47.
• 15:38
  - So I don't know whether when they when
• 15:40
  - they police officers gave up cost of living
• 15:42
  - increases, whether that was some sort of trade
• 15:44
  - off. I honestly don't know the details. But
• 15:47
  - if we're gonna talk about,
• 15:49
  - you know, bailing out, government pension systems, I
• 15:52
  - think we have to know,
• 15:54
  - all the facts about it. And I think
• 15:57
  - we have to say, if we're gonna bail
• 15:59
  - out pension systems, why why should you make
• 16:02
  - people who are not getting the benefits
• 16:04
  - pay for people who
• 16:07
  - who, you know,
• 16:08
  - who who are getting them? And when people
• 16:11
  - say, well, our government broke our promise to
• 16:13
  - us. Now who who picks these politicians?
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  - Aren't aren't, don't the teachers union and the
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  - public employee unions, don't they have more political
• 16:21
  - clout than anybody else? Anyway, all this stuff
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  - to talk about at libertyandprosperity.com,
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  - and, breakfast starts at 09:30 every Saturday. Have
• 16:30
  - a great weekend,
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  - and I I hope, I'll probably get punished
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  - with the five minute rule next week. I
• 16:35
  - hope not. I know. No. You hold it.
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  - You you don't have that rule. Thanks, Seth.
• 16:40
  - Thanks. I'll talk to you. Okay. Seth Grossman,
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  - Liberty and Prosperity. The website, libertyandprosperity.com.