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The Other Side of the Aisle: Chatting with Santa Cruz Medicinals · In Moderation

• 0:18
  Speaker 1: Well, welcome to In Moderation episode 30.
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, liam, after leaving us hanging for 20 minutes.
• 0:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, because you guys have three kids and know how hard it is to put them to sleep?
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: No, you don't.
• 0:30
  Speaker 2: You don't okay.
• 0:31
  Speaker 3: It's not easy.
• 0:32
  Speaker 3: I have dogs, you know.
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: Listen, I've got four of those too.
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: All right, I'm working with one, I've got here.
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: This episode we have brought on.
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm gonna?
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna butcher your last name, aren't I?
• 0:49
  Speaker 2: no, no worries.
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: Brendan ru, ru, ru.
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: Is that what it is?
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: I never knew it, never knew it was ru you never knew it was ru yeah, I thought it was santa cru, brendan, santa Cruz, yeah.
• 1:00
  Speaker 3: Santa Cruz, brendan, santa Cruz, that's even better.
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: We'll just call you SC for short, okay.
• 1:08
  Speaker 3: That's perfect.
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: There we go.
• 1:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, excited to be here, guys.
• 1:11
  Speaker 3: I'm stoked that you guys started this podcast and I've seen clips, I've seen some episodes.
• 1:17
  Speaker 3: It's just great.
• 1:18
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 1:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm excited because generally we bring people on who like pretty much just always agree with us on everything, and you know like that's cool yeah, but like that's also kind of boring right, so like we don't want to have an echo chamber exactly.
• 1:32
  Speaker 2: We need to bring someone on who's on the other side of the proverbial grocery aisle.
• 1:37
  Speaker 3: If you will, that's what we I think, I think you know we'll find and as we've talked about before, that we align on a lot of most things I think most things yeah, before the episode started, rob and I were talking about, just like, various outdoor activities that we like and, yeah, like I think one of the things that everybody is aligned on is the fact that this young generation is spending too much time indoors in front of a screen.
• 2:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's an issue.
• 2:02
  Speaker 3: There's so many things, both nutritionally and just life and activity wise, I think we totally align on.
• 2:08
  Speaker 3: But yeah, man, I love doing these things.
• 2:10
  Speaker 3: Like you know, I've never a lot of people in the space that I'm in, for some reason, just won't talk with you guys.
• 2:17
  Speaker 3: They just try to make enemies.
• 2:21
  Speaker 3: I don't know what it is, you know.
• 2:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's a lot of times Liam and I get asked both.
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: Do the people ever respond to us?
• 2:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and what do we think about Santa Cruz?
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, those are the two questions we get asked a lot.
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: We get asked those a lot and they kind of go together because we have respect for Brendan, because he is one of the people that actually has dialogue with us.
• 2:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, I feel like some of these other creators want to think that they know everything Right and when they make a statement they'll never want to go back on it because it hurts their brand.
• 2:59
  Speaker 3: What I've learned about some of these folks and I won't name any names, but they prioritize their brand over everything and I run my brand.
• 3:11
  Speaker 3: My co-founder, joe, doesn't care about social media.
• 3:13
  Speaker 3: He doesn't care about it at all.
• 3:15
  Speaker 3: He's completely off social media.
• 3:19
  Speaker 3: It's so funny.
• 3:19
  Speaker 3: I'll have to text him him little Instagram stories that I do to keep.
• 3:23
  Speaker 3: If it's like a life update vibe, like Joe, check out this video.
• 3:26
  Speaker 3: So I think one of the issues there is when they have a lot of people in their ear and telling them hey, you need to protect the brand and do this.
• 3:34
  Speaker 3: I don't have that going on.
• 3:36
  Speaker 3: I can come on and be like hey guys, I was wrong about this thing about artificial sweeteners.
• 3:40
  Speaker 3: I was completely wrong Misinterpreted a study, read something wrong, heard bad information.
• 3:46
  Speaker 3: I was wrong and I can change and what I've really realized is people just want to feel better and feel healthy and I've started to change my content over the last year.
• 3:56
  Speaker 3: I think everybody has seen it where I'm like you know what?
• 4:00
  Speaker 3: Some of the stuff that I was saying was too strict, some of the stuff I was saying probably wouldn't serve certain groups of people, and that, coupled with stories of people being like hey, man, I was obese, diet, so does my crutch.
• 4:14
  Speaker 3: It's helped me lose a hundred pounds, right, how could I hate on that?
• 4:18
  Speaker 3: That is a plus.
• 4:19
  Speaker 3: And every metric, it doesn't matter what that thing is.
• 4:21
  Speaker 3: They could say I punch myself in the chest every day and that's the one thing that helped me lose 100 pounds.
• 4:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'd probably say not do that, but that's still a you know.
• 4:30
  Speaker 3: You probably shouldn't say stop doing that.
• 4:31
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I've definitely changed a lot of my opinions over the last year.
• 4:36
  Speaker 2: I think that's an interesting idea because of a lot of these people yeah, we don't really have to name any specific names, but they kind of put themselves up on this pedestal right and everyone kind of looks up to them and then if they're wrong, yeah, it almost kind of feels like, yeah, a hit to them and that's.
• 4:50
  Speaker 2: I think you're right on that.
• 4:51
  Speaker 2: But people will also respond if you come out and say, hey, you know what I thought this thing, but here's why I now believe this and here's why I changed my mind.
• 5:00
  Speaker 2: People will respect that.
• 5:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that builds a way more respectable brand.
• 5:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think people that are intelligent will respect that and I'm trying to build a community of intelligent people that want to dial in their health.
• 5:11
  Speaker 3: And I think there's opinions on certain things that I've refined and sort of come to a conclusion of, like I like having the discourse, you know, like with the whole raw milk thing.
• 5:22
  Speaker 3: Like wow, I was wrong about that, I thought it had more lactase and raw milk than there was.
• 5:27
  Speaker 3: There's trace amounts pretty negligible.
• 5:29
  Speaker 3: Like you're better off taking a lactase enzyme, digestive enzyme.
• 5:33
  Speaker 3: You'll get 300 times the amount of lactase or something you know.
• 5:36
  Speaker 3: So it's like yeah, but stuff like that.
• 5:38
  Speaker 3: I feel like I, I I realize, like well, I'm like, oh, okay, I was wrong this.
• 5:42
  Speaker 3: And then I just sort of try to refine my position where I do still buy raw milk, I genuinely do like it, I like the taste, I like it, I feel good, I haven't gotten ill from it.
• 5:53
  Speaker 3: But what I, my kind of conclusion now is you know what?
• 5:57
  Speaker 3: They should probably require an ID 21 or up to buy this and there should be a warning on it.
• 6:01
  Speaker 3: So I don't know what are your guys' thoughts about that?
• 6:03
  Speaker 3: So what if?
• 6:03
  Speaker 3: Okay, what if it had-.
• 6:06
  Speaker 1: Jumping straight into the raw milk.
• 6:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, jumping straight into the raw milk.
• 6:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, what if it had a big warning on it and you had to be 21 or over to buy it?
• 6:13
  Speaker 3: What do you think about that?
• 6:16
  Speaker 1: I think that would be a step in the right direction, at least yeah, at least Like in regards to raw milk and the benefits that we see in the literature that are possible.
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: Obviously, with these studies there's only a couple of them and so we can't really say it's proven or disproven at any given point so far, and that's one thing.
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: I do notice that with people arguing against you, they're not particularly accounting for the fact that these things are still possible, these benefits are still possible.
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: They're not disproven yet.
• 6:58
  Speaker 3: I think the people arguing against me make a really good point of if you buy conventional pasteurized dairy, especially like low temp pasteurized, that's available in many places, and then you also add in yogurt or a probiotic dairy product into your life, you will get all the benefits that raw milk theoretically would have because there are some probiotics that are in there from not getting heated because there are some probiotics that are in there from not getting heated.
• 7:26
  Speaker 3: Where I was like I do need to sort of change my thing here is because people going and buying raw milk from some random person in the parking lot of a Walmart because they heard that it's going to enhance their health so much that it's worth it to do that, I wouldn't do that, you know, like I wouldn't drink raw milk from just some random person, you know, when I went out to that raw farm thing, you know, in raw farm I would definitely say is very guilty of you know saying all these benefits of raw milk that haven't been proven.
• 7:57
  Speaker 3: I think that's pretty fair to say.
• 7:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 8:00
  Speaker 3: Um, but they do have an interesting process at their farm for keeping the cows clean.
• 8:05
  Speaker 3: It's pretty.
• 8:06
  Speaker 3: You guys would love to see it.
• 8:08
  Speaker 3: It's very interesting.
• 8:09
  Speaker 3: I'm sure you'd love to see it, rob.
• 8:10
  Speaker 2: But um, with that they're sort of acknowledging how quick things can go wrong with right dairy and I think I just I don't think I've seen just enough information on the possible benefits of raw milk.
• 8:26
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen in the literature enough support to make it more readily available.
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: But I'm also torn because I also believe you should be able to do whatever you want, like if you're an adult, you kind of make your own decisions.
• 8:37
  Speaker 2: So it's a tough thing.
• 8:40
  Speaker 2: The main problem I have when I see it that makes me just like seize up inside when they give it to kids, when I give it to children, yeah yes, that's that's the biggest thing for me.
• 8:47
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, oh, that, I just I don't like that at all.
• 8:51
  Speaker 2: Every part of me hates that.
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: Like, if you're an adult and you want to do something, I think you, if you get here's the information you have, you make the right decision.
• 8:57
  Speaker 2: If you want to smoke cigarettes, you can smoke cigarettes.
• 8:59
  Speaker 2: I think it's a stupid-ass idea, but it's, you're an adult and you can choose to smoke cigarettes.
• 9:04
  Speaker 2: It's just like children like, oh, I don't like it, that's my thought yeah, for sure, sourcing can be an issue.
• 9:10
  Speaker 3: I think if they required an ID and they had some warnings on it that this food can expose you to pathogens and bacteria and it can be an issue.
• 9:20
  Speaker 3: I would be interested in seeing something like that, or maybe you know a testing protocol that went into place along with that.
• 9:32
  Speaker 3: One thing I think is very interesting, though or like what I wouldn't want it to spiral into is you, you guys both know that like sushi has killed many people sushi, oysters, lettuce, you know stuff like that.
• 9:40
  Speaker 3: Obviously, those foods are something that you do not have to drink raw milk and you do have to eat food of some sort.
• 9:48
  Speaker 3: And if you take like sort of the main things that can get people ill in terms of, like E coli on lettuce sushi obviously is up there raw fish it gets to this point where I'm like, well, well, dan, like I realized, raw milk can get people ill, but I don't think we should make it illegal or spend a bunch of tax dollars enforcing it.
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: I think we should slap a big warning on it Boom 21 and over, go for it With the lettuce thing, though it's not like the thing with between raw milk we have pest pasteurized milk and we have raw milk.
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: It's not like we have pasteurized lettuce and regular lettuce, that we can choose between the two of them.
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: It's funny you say that, because we do have?
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: Do we have pasteurized lettuce?
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: It's not pasteurized, but we do have ways that we like we wash our produce in order to reduce the risk.
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: Right and so it's like a risk reduction to it.
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: It's always there, though, kind of with the is when it comes to something like lettuce.
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: So we don't really just have the two options.
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: So like if there were two options, they were like we're going to make this one version of lettuce illegal and we're only going to use this.
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: I'd be like.
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: I guess I get it like I understand what you're doing.
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: But again, like I also believe you know, if you're an adult, do what you want.
• 10:55
  Speaker 2: So, like I think you know alcohol, I think cigarettes, all these things we're like, yeah, can do those things.
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: We know they're not good for your health, but we allow you to.
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: We say you're an adult and you can choose to do them if you want to.
• 11:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the alcohol thing is really funny.
• 11:07
  Speaker 3: I definitely always appreciate your guys posts when a health influencer of some sort I got to bring this up, I'm sorry.
• 11:12
  Speaker 3: We got to transition to this because holy shit, brendan.
• 11:15
  Speaker 2: What the fuck is up with these health and wellness influencers that are like pointing out everything in the grocery store, saying it's toxic, and then promoting alcohol, giving promo codes for it, drinking it like what?
• 11:29
  Speaker 3: what is going on?
• 11:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know.
• 11:31
  Speaker 3: I know exactly what's going on because I've I have in my emails offers from these companies, so I know exactly what's going on and I won't disclose details, no need right, it's a bag of money.
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of money, it's just that much.
• 11:45
  Speaker 3: And you know, I think for a lot of people they go.
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: Well, people drink a lot, and I think sometimes they get duped by these companies and saying well, people are going to drink red wine, we test for these things and we, you know, mycotoxin test.
• 12:01
  Speaker 3: So if they are going to drink red wine, this is a healthier version of red wine or whatever it is.
• 12:05
  Speaker 3: But the problem is, you know, ben Greenfield did an Instagram post where he's like saying that he drinks red wine every single day.
• 12:13
  Speaker 3: A little bit of red wine every day.
• 12:14
  Speaker 3: There is no way, you know, we can have all our debates about seed oils and artificial sweeteners, stuff, where we're like you guys are like, oh, we think we know this about seed oils, artificial sweeteners, and I go, oh, I don't, I'm not sure.
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: If we know everything about them, we'll probably do that all day.
• 12:30
  Speaker 3: Alcohol isn't one of these things.
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: Right, it's been researched enough where we know that no alcohol is healthier for you than any alcohol absolutely and we can get into the nuance.
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: You know, yeah, there's interesting stuff with.
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: You know, longevity, it's all.
• 12:46
  Speaker 3: It's bullshit when a wine company says there's resveratrol in their wine and that's why you should drink wine you could just take a resveratrol supplement, or you can eat you know berries and get a lot of you know polyethylene, and it's frustrating.
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: In regards to the people that um think it's healthy to drink one glass of red wine a day.
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: We've actually seen that.
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: The association there, yeah we gotta go actually that they have good self-control and they're able to exercise that in other aspects of their life.
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: And so they're doing.
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: They're just having a healthier lifestyle.
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: It's not the wine it's their ability to exert self-control income thing like the income thing of like income, that too red wine every single evening access to health care have higher income because that's just the way the world works.
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: And like you could do the same study of saying, let's survey people that make over 100k a year and you'd probably find the same I bet, you people who eat caviar are also healthier yeah exactly yeah, there you go anything that's
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: expensive.
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: It's frustrating to see when I see a health influencer that I like, uh, endorsing wine.
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: Um, it's a bit frustrating and you know there I would never do it.
• 13:54
  Speaker 3: I would never endorse an alcohol.
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: I just think it's dumb, and a lot of the audience that I have, especially as young, I don't I don't drink so like I would never endorse something that I just don't yeah, I am a.
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: I very rarely drink like I'm one of those people that like, if you want to have one of those want to drink a year or something with your buddies, whatever.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: But if you're drinking every day or you're going out and getting plastered every weekend, it's the binge drinking.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: Oh like, if you look at binge drinking, it's abs, it destroys it, it absolutely it's.
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: It's so terrible, yeah, like I can't imagine, like when I was younger, you know like 18, 19, you know, I drank and I literally can't imagine it now.
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: Like I went out to dinner with my girlfriend last night and like we were she doesn't drink, I don't drink and we were just joking, like what?
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: Like how do people do it?
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: like, listen, listen listen, listen, listen, listen.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: I bartended for years.
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: I bartended for like years let me tell you, holy shit, what alcohol does to people.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: They've completely changed.
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: Like you know, one drink, two drink okay.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: Once you start getting into the binge drinking, it's fucking no holds bar.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: I've seen fights.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: I've seen people throwing anything and everything blood.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: I've seen more blood as a bartender than I have in health care.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: Like and I'm not joking about that like it's insane, especially younger people to.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: You know, get a middle net.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: So like, if you are like I do, I'll have I do.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: I enjoy like a glass of wine here and there, absolutely.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: But I'm not pretending like, oh, this is good for me, like no, I just enjoy it and I'm willing you know, yeah, I'm just gonna yeah.
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: So it's like I don't understand why the health influencers, if they really wanted to endorse wine, I mean it's like I don't understand why the health influencers, if they really wanted to endorse wine, I mean it's probably the companies that won't allow them to say this and like the read.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: But they could be like hey guys, this is the worst possible thing like that you can put into your body.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: But I do like this brand.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: It tastes good, you know, but like this isn't good for your health at all.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: The company would probably be a little mad.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they wouldn't like that read.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: They wouldn't like that.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: That read right, yeah, um then we like the resveratrol.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: Better go, go back to that.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: That's exactly been one of my things.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: When a company approaches me wanting to sell their stuff and I'm like I, I will do it.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: If you let me be 100 honest about what I am saying yeah, yeah, they don't like that they do not like that yeah, but yeah, the alcohol thing is just one of those examples of, yeah, health influencers gone wrong if they're saying alcohol is healthy, yeah I mean, I've seen everything recently it's been tequila is the healthiest.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Did you have?
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: You heard that from a few different influencers?
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: They're like it's, it's the it's, because you know alcohol actually trans.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: You know it's not actually the alcohol it.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: It's a long story, but basically yeah it's.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: They go and they say like oh, if you're gonna drink, drink tequila.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: And now I feel like we just kind of shift it to whatever else, like it's wine and tequila and then whatever company wants to pay me that next time maybe it'll be vodka, who knows?
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: my favorite are the tequila people, because they're also the people that tell you not to have gmo corn.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Well, what do you think, the tequila?
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: is made from yeah yeah, that's so good good so yeah, basically if you're an adult, like yeah, you know, do what's, do what's good, listen okay.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: So I gotta transition something else I need.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: I feel like you.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I'm going to full circle.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Come back to raw milk by the end, because I do want to say that, but we can.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: We can, yeah, but I need to know something else.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: I need to know and I feel like brendan, you'll know more than anybody else because you, you, you talk about our ancestors and you spent some time studying it.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Did our ancestors not have plates or cutlery?
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Because every fucking video I get tagged in it's always like I eat like a human, who's a human, and I don't eat poison, and it's always on fucking cutting boards.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Every single video, it's always the cutting board and like the food looks fine.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: It's like meat and fruit and avocados and eggs.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: I'm like that's all great, but our, did our ancestors not have plates?
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Did they not Did?
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: our ancestors not have spices, did they not?
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: The spices thing.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: I you know with the saladino train on that.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: I mean we sell of santa cruz paleo, we sell seasoning blend one and blend two.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Great, using I don't.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: I've never understood that part of the no seasoning.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: The cutting board thing.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Okay, here's what's happening with the cutting board.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: It is convenient, it's okay.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: So you get the cutting board, you cook your meat, you put it on the cutting board, you slice up your fruit, avocado, whatever fermented veggies, whatever people are having on those, you eat it up and then you have one dish to wash.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Maybe that's it maybe that's it and, let's be real, it looks cooler on the listen.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: From an aesthetics point of view, you're like you put something on a cutting board, paul.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: It looks better than a plate you got at marshall's, like you know.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: It looks cool, but maybe maybe I should hit up.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: I should hit up some archaeologist buddies from uc, santa cruz, figure out like if they have any like first plates, and maybe I'll do that.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: I'll flex on everybody in the animal-based community being like I just bought a plate from you.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Know like I want that there you go.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: I want to see like this plate was used thousands of years ago take this in that when you make that, I'm sure they've made a spoon.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there's been a spoon at some point made.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: No, and that's the most primal thing you can do, like I haven't washed it.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: It has all the bacteria from, you know, a couple years ago.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: It's good to go.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be hilarious.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: But yeah, the seasoning thing, and like I mean honestly with Saladino on the plant defense chemicals thing, um, I've definitely tried to uh, encourage you know, I've always had vegetables in my diet, never taken them out, what I think is interesting.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: So I just interviewed a girl named muna recently and she had severe cystic acne, like severe.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: She was really dealing with some skin issues and I've heard this story so often.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: She went carnivore short term, helped her skin a lot.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Then she went animal based.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Her skin completely cleared.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: I've heard this story so much.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: I think you guys should really think about this.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: I think what's going on with a lot of these people is they're getting frustrated with the normal Western medical system because they'll go to a derm and there are dermatologists who are dialed in with this stuff Don't get me wrong.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Like, don't not go to a derm because you just think they're all bad.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: There's some amazing ones and a lot are amazing and know about diet and gut, skin access, all this, but for many people they go to a dermatologist.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: I went to one when I was 18 and they told me hey, diet is little to nothing to do with acne.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: I was dealing with acne and eczema at the time.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: And then they see, oh, this elimination style diet, maybe animal based, maybe carnivore, which I'm not a fan of long term, definitely not Yep.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: They do that for a bit and a problem they've been dealing with for a very long time that hasn't gone away and they're being told the only option is, you know, accutane or whatever it is, or steroid creams goes away and so it leaves many of those people very frustrated at the system.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Right, right, I'm trying to unwind some of that with being like if you have some autoimmune condition or some gut condition which we don't know everything about the gut, we know very little, we know nothing about it and then you fix it Like the goal should be to add foods back in.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: That's where we're all on the same page.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: And like that's why I've really tried to lately be like.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: You know, I eat all of the food groups.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Sure, I don't eat a lot of wheat, I'm not eating a lot of soy and corn, but I I won't, you know, not dip my sushi you're not gonna eat corn at chipotle.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: This corn is so good at chipotle, though it makes it so well, I mean there's, I have tacos and I go to mexico, I go off on tacos, that's my, that's my treat.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, my fiance is Mexican, so there's definitely some corn Mostly tequila.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what would you guys say about that?
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: So like that's something I've been encountering, a lot People going oh you know, I fixed this issue.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: My eczema is gone.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: This is the way forward.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Fuck the medical system, because they told me this.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: What are your guys, guys, thoughts on that?
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I do agree that, um, there needs to be more training towards that in the medical system, absolutely, because that, absolutely, somebody can have sensitivities to thing, allergies to thing that the doctor might not think of.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: And whenever somebody asks me is if about the carnivore diet, I tell them it's an elimination diet.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: By all means, if you are having problems with food and you think that it may be related to food, um, if you know medication's not helping you, whatever, by all means you can try it.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: You may be symptoms clear up, but, as you said, the goal is to gradually put things back in, figure out what it is that was causing the problem and eliminate just that.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Because we know.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: We know there are foods that cause it.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Look at the low FODMAP diet where you're like, oh, you cut down on the onions, the garlic, whatever.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: So we know for definitely people of IBS or Crohn's or whatever some of these autoimmune diseases.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: We know they cause problems.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: So, yes, I've literally just filmed a video on the carnivore diet because I get asked all the time.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I think it's great as an elimination diet.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: You go only meat for however long, and preferably under the guidance of a registered dietitian or someone at least who knows kind of what they're doing.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Then you slowly add foods back in, like one at a time, to whatever you don't want to just change it overnight.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: And if you you find the thing, you want to find the thing.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: That's the problem, I mean.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: And you know for, like, if somebody wants to stay on carnivore the rest of your life, I say yeah, like again, your adult use whatever, but I just don't I don't, I don't, yeah, I definitely.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: I definitely don't think it's a good idea.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: People ask me all the time what do you think about the carnivore diet?
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: I'm like you're doing it short term.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: You're doing it short term to figure out what is going on with your body or just give yourself a reset.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: Go for it.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: But I think one thing we would definitely both agree on is the importance of fiber.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Yes, that's actually one of my main beefs with the animal, my grass- main beef with fiber diet.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Um, it is sort of hard to get fiber in for people and my diet is very similar to animal based, but I I eat potatoes, I eat some grains you know I say properly prepared grains, that they do well with my gut, um, and I eat vegetables.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: I do think there is, you know, the whole plant defense chemical thing.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: I think why it has legs and why people are really like curious about it is because there are people that are starting to do raw spinach, raw kale, and I think we would all agree that you can get issues from that If you're doing much of anything again we always say is a problem of course.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, course, yeah yeah yeah, but um, I think, like um, eliminating a lot of those fiber rich foods also from an anthropological point of view, doesn't really make sense, if you want to think about that, because we're omnivores, like we can eat tons of stuff we can.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: That's what really separates, is like correct, you know more about your ancestors than anybody else, but like isn't that what makes humans kind of special?
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: In a ways, we can go anywhere in the world and survive because there's so many different foods we can eat, other animals they go somewhere.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: They're dead because there's just their food supply is gone.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: That's it, like we can really do anything.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: And there's fascinating tribes all around the world who have survived off, you know, tapping an animal and drinking its blood, and then there's tribes who have drinking its blood, and then they're strived off eating no meat whatsoever, I mean, and done well like human beings can do well on so many different things.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: You can eat all the foods I hate and do well, you know, like you can drive um and we see it all the time.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: So I think that's really important for people to know.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: And um, yeah, you know, I mean overall, like with social media, like, of course, you know, I came out hard doing the grocery store videos and um, because of discourse with folks like you, I'm like you know what?
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: That's not the thing.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: My overall goal, like truly deep down I think people that know me really do see this I truly want people to feel their best and get healthy deep down.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: So what I was doing before wasn't truly aligning with a lot of my goals.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Some videos I did were too strict, you know, or telling people like, oh, seed oils, this seed oils that for the average kid living somewhere in America they're not going to be able to avoid seed oils at all, and I just want people to feel healthy.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: So I've definitely changed up my content with a lot of that stuff lately.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Here's what I saw.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: I still don't like seed oils.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I guess we are aware of that.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Here's what from when.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I like when I so anybody doesn't know.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Like the first, when I started making videos, I made some videos about Brendan.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: It was like the first videos that actually took off and people were like, make more videos, make more videos.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: And I was like, well, it's fucking, those people wants the algorithm that's make more videos.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: And I was like, well, it's fucking, that's what people want, it's the algorithm, that's what I'm gonna do.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: And then I got a little back and forth and anybody who knows social media, when you get into that, it just gets more.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: You know views for both people like it works out, like it's, it's a thing.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Um, but what I saw was like, okay, this guy seems to be talking to the people who already have a lot of things, as you would say, like dialed in, right, you're already getting enough sleep, they're already getting enough exercise, they're already doing all of these things.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: And he's saying, okay, here, if you want to take to the next level and limit your risk on disease, for you know as much as possible, maybe here's, avoid these plastic products because of microplastics.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Do we know?
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: For certain microplastics are causing issues.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Maybe not, but there's a potential for it, it is possible.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: So if you want to limit that risk here, do these things.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Whereas, like for me, so like you're trying to take people from like they're 95 of the way and let's get them 100 of the way there and like that five percent is like can be.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of work just to do the last five percent.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: I'm like, listen, I want to take people who don't know what the fuck they're doing.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: I want to take people who are like man, I don't even, I don't even know where to start.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I have I'm 20 of the way there.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: How do I get 60 of the way there?
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: I'm like, listen, honestly, get it from 2060 is pretty easy.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Like you do these few things, it's not that hard.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: I think one of the best things um your guys community has done, and um, a lot of just the fitness community in general, is the education about calories and calories out, and the thing that also frustrates me that some health influencers still say to this day is that calories and calories out doesn't matter.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: It's extremely frustrating and I've made videos being like you can eat McDonald's every single day and all you know seed oils, whatever, and if you are in a calorie deficit, you're going to lose weight.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Knowing that is so important because obviously, obesity and just being overweight is one of the worst things you can do for your health, and I've seen, unfortunately, a lot of people in the community that I'm in say that that's not a thing.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: I really I don't know why, because it's been proven so many times.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: You know there's the professor that ate Twinkies and lost weight, and I think what it gets to is it frustrates some people in the health and wellness world because they go no, I'm telling people to eat this way and they're eating a lot of food because and they're losing weight and life is way easier for them because, as I think you guys would agree, if you do it, you know slightly higher protein and get your micronutrients and dial it in, you'll feel better.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: But it doesn't really matter, because the the statement of if you're in a calorie deficit you will lose weight and if you are in a calorie surplus you will gain weight is a fact.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: I think what the health and wellness community that disagrees with that needs to do is everybody needs to acknowledge that fact.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Obviously, there's little nuances with it, but, like overall, that is a fact.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the big picture.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: And then we can go from there and say, oh well, this study shows that people who ate a slightly higher protein diet found it way easier to adhere to a calorie deficit or whatever it is, or or added in some you know foods that are more, you know, bulk centered.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Do you see that a lot from like the animal based communities to talking about calories and calories out not mattering, is that?
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Do you see it from them or, like I was, just wasn't sure?
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I've seen, you know there's a lot of posts being like um, that'll just kind of hate on people that just talk about calories, right.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: So people will be like you know, calories matter, calories matter People.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: People will post like memes and stuff that calories don't matter.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Or, you know, a calorie is not a calorie, which I totally get what they're saying there.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Yes, we know what you're saying, but we but an inch is an inch, a mile is a mile.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Weight loss.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: It sort of is you know like it really is, like the calories from an apple and the calories from a Twinkie.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: You know those two foods will affect you differently, but the calories from them.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: A meter is still a meter.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: A calorie is still a count, like it's just a unit of measurement.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then like it's.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Like, from there we can go into.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Well, if you eat a really good diet, your immune system might be better.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: For example, you're going to get sick less, and guess what?
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: You're going to get sick less and guess what that's going to make it easy to do.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Go on more walks, get more exercise and you're going to be able to create a calorie deficit easier.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: If you eat 90 grams of processed sugar in the evening and you have trouble sleeping, well, that might affect your workout the next day.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: You're going to burn less calories.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: You know like, yes, all that stuff matters, but yeah, that's one thing I've seen on the health influencer side of things that, uh, yeah, frustrates me for sure.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I think it's because when you promote, like, a diet and you have like this deep connection to it, you kind of have to make it sort of special, maybe in a way make it different, so that people like, oh, if you come over here, this is all that matters.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: You do this, you don't have to worry about anything else, and it's like most foods, and you only focus on nutrient dense foods, there's a good chance you'll lose weight because you'll probably be pretty full from all the fiber, protein, whatever.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: so, yeah, not to mention giving people something to blame, like in regards with seed oils.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Um, there's a lot of those influencers that show that, well, the introduction of seed oils at this point of time suddenly caused our weight gain, and so seed oils themselves are bad, and, by all means, seed oils add a lot of extra calories to food.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: That's what's happening.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: A lot of those associations with seed oils.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Well, you look at the introduction of when television became affordable for most families Right there, that's when one of the spikes for obesity went up.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: When personal computers became affordable for families, right there, that's when one of the spikes for obesity went up when personal computers became affordable for families.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: There's another spike.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, absolutely yeah, like those overall, like, oh, like associating that spike.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: I mean I would say, you know, I think a lot of the red meat large meta-analysis are guilty of that as well, you know, I know you've talked about this before.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Basically because people, you know we see these associations between red meat where with something like, say, colon cancer and it's also.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: But you also have to look at it like the diet soda.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: People who drink diet soda tend to be over, you know it tends to have excess body fat because they're not trying to add calories.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: So having excess body fat increases your risk for various heart conditions and stuff.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: So they try and blame the diet soda.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: So there definitely is that possibility with red meat.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Hey, are the people who are eating red meat?
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Are they exercising less?
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Where are they getting the red meat from?
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Is it what you know?
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Depends the source.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Of course, you know there's a lot of other factors.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: So for me, when it, you know, compares, you know, a vegan group to a red meat group, I mean, in today's world, the vegan group is oftentimes they're not smoking cigarettes, they are not drinking alcohol.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: They are exercising.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: So I think it's interesting, but I think for me it's like if I'm going to talk about that and shit on some meta-analysis of red meat causing colon cancer, well then I cannot shit on a meta-analysis If a study comes out showing how bad artificial sweeteners are, and it's just just a meta-analysis and some people are guilty of that.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Well, I can't have it both ways.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: And the seed oils thing I try to make content where I'll occasionally eat seed oils, because I don't want people to feel bad about eating seed oils.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: That's such a huge thing is a lot of those other influencers are making people feel bad because they just had some influencers are making people feel bad because they just had some.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: I'm guilty of it.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: I've definitely been guilty about it, for sure, and I think what I've tried to do lately is I have video of me going to In-N-Out.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: I have video of me going to Chipotle eating out at certain restaurants and showing guys like I just did one with an influencer in Los Gatos, near here, and I was like was like guys, I'm not going to order my food seed oil free or tell them I have some allergy, like oh, the allergy are so stupid and like anybody who's worked in a restaurant is like no, like it's annoying, it's insane.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: And so, yeah, I think that's interesting.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: And then I've also just been trying to highlight some of the um, actual research on seed oils out there and it's like like, yeah, they do lower cholesterol, that might be beneficial for some people.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: But then there's a researcher in Japan I think you guys would find interesting.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: He's a neurosurgeon, neuroscientist.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: He gives talks on this stuff and his statement is basically he's worried that heating up seed oils, heating up canola, soybean, so when they're exposed to high heats, he thinks, leads to contribute to Alzheimer's disease.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Interesting stuff.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Like I don't you know, I don't think we know.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Like health.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Quote unquote health.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: What do you say the same thing about?
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Like olive oil and stuff, or was it?
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Is he just saying it's just these seeds?
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: If I recall, the study also found it in olive oil as well.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I, I recall the study also found it in olive oil as well.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's like a little acid content when heated up.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: He has some interesting stuff on it.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: I would love Rob to dive into it because yeah, we briefly talked about it in comments at one point, and I did look at the study.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: And it's important for me to acknowledge like a lot of that stuff is over my head, like that one of his papers he has there is extremely complex, like I don't know, and I also think you know saladino doesn't know and gary brekka doesn't know, and I think you guys don't know for sure, but you and I will all say like we don't fully know.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah right, so I think it's interesting.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: I mean just from a personal thing, like if I eat a bunch of seed oils, personally I don't feel good.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: That's just something I've noticed, but it could be with the food that I'm eating it just seems like, because where do you get seed oils from, like, where do most people get it from?
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: You know, it's just food or processed fast food, ultra processed, yeah that like if I eat mostly that stuff.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I feel like shit and with that study that we're just talking about.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: The main conclusion to that study was don't eat a lot of fast food.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: And we can all agree with that oil, you know, kept in somebody's house, versus how most people are getting exposed to seed oils.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Is, you know, soybean or canola oil that's being reheated over and over again in a fire?
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: basket.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: I've looked into the fry.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: It's interesting.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: So because there's a lot you know restaurants they're supposed to change their oils but a lot of restaurants you know they're trying to save the money so much.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: So yeah you know they'll use it over and over again and I do see some some negative effects with once you use it.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Five, six, seven, like all you know, use it over and over.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: There are some negative consequences from that.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: I think we can all agree we love olive oil.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: I think that's pretty easy.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: I use olive oil If you're cooking salmon and you're not using olive oil.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: It's a crime.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: But listen, I have the spray, not like you know, whatever pam, because I'm paying for nabrand.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Who the fuck?
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not paying for nabrand I get the little like kroger canola oil spray.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: I'm like I don't care, like whatever.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's got butane.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: People like, oh, it's gonna be in your food, butane's a gas.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: People like don't goes away, don't it's fine, it's fine, just spray it, cook it, whatever.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I love olive oil, I use it and do you guys eat um like red meat and butter, like I like?
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: I use butter.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: I don't like butter on like sourdough bread with like a little bit of salt, like yeah, man that's just like how you're not afraid to occasionally have seed oils, we're not afraid to occasionally have red meat about red meat a lot and I'm always like listen, I'm much less concerned with like, oh, how much red meat is too much red meat.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: I'm like, make sure you're doing the other things.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Make sure you're trying to get fruits and vegetables and eat these other things.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: If you're eating so much red meat is too much red meat.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: I'm like, make sure you're doing the other things, make sure you're trying to get fruits and vegetables and eat these other things.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: If you're eating so much red meat that it's pushing those things out of your diet, that's when I'm concerned, because I want to make sure you're getting the other things less about like, make sure you get less than this specific amount, you know.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: I totally agree with that.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: One thing I've been saying a lot and luckily, again, luckily I run the company Santa Cruz Paleo the way I do or it's just me, I mean, joe doesn't care.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: I have said so many times don't buy supplements.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: You shouldn't buy supplements until you have your sleep, your workouts, your nutrition dialed in, and then you can look towards some supplements.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: If I could package up a good night of sleep into a supplement, I would be a billionaire.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: If I could package up a week of good eating into a supplement, oh my Like these things that people are going towards without looking at the other aspects of their life is just.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: It's stupid, because that's where people start a lot is supplements.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: People start a health journey and they're like, okay, what supplement should I take?
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: And we're like we'll get there next year.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, like, yeah, we walked today.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: You know, like, what's going on.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: That's the last time you ate a vegetable.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Uh, a couple of weeks ago, I think it was on my burger.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: That's a piece of lettuce, like land defense chemicals man, you got to watch out.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: I've been making a lot of Saladino jokes, uh, in my things.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you, anytime I have a lettuce or carrots or anything.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: I'm like oh, dino fans, I'm sorry, turn it off, because yeah, we could do that with meat.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: We could be like oh, meat has heterocyclica means and you shouldn't eat it, and you can pick apart any food, it doesn't matter.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: So when you're like oh phytic acid and oats.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh shut, come on like oh the term plant defense chemical is such a big pet peeve for me because for the plants they're not defense chemicals like phytic acid is where seeds store phosphorus for germination.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: It's a life-giving chemical for them yeah, yeah, I think the plant defense chemical thing is just, yeah, I don't know, it's it's gotten too much.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: I don't really know why he's stuck with it, honestly, like for his brand.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think you know, if you listen to saladino debate, dr aloe, uh, when they had the debate about heart disease cholesterol, it's like paul is very smart.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: Like, if you listen to saladino debate, dr aloe, uh, when they had the debate about heart disease cholesterol, it's like paul is very smart.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Like, if you listen to that debate I think anybody listens to it would be like damn, like he makes some really good points here and he's obviously he's, you know gone deep into the research but do you think he's just connected to the plant defense, like he started off with that and he's sort of been tied to it?
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: now he has to stick to it, as you think, like that's part of it.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: I think that's definitely part of it.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: I think legit paul has like an extremely sensitive gut.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Like I'm not joking, he just did a post like on his podcast.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: He said he like tried to reintegrate white rice and like I saw that yeah and I yeah, I think that's a big part of it, because I think he's, you know, sort of like being like you know, okay, I'm trying to reintegrate this food.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: It's not working with me.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: So what in this food can be an issue?
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: And he highlights some stuff that you know can be real.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: You know, if it's consumed in like crazy high dosages, like you're cranking a bunch of raw kale, you know you can have oxalate issues.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: Sure, so he's like well, when I eat kale I don don't feel good.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: So what in this kale could be causing that?
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Oxalates, plant defense chemicals?
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: the problem is, for most people, adding in some cooked kale, where you really reduce the oxalates if you're cooking it in butter or whatever right, it's just going to be, you know, a good source of vitamin a for them, good source of, you know, vitamin k, some fiber, you know whatever and whatever, and that's what it's going to be.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: So I don't know, man, I definitely have some disagreements with Paul.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Just overall plant defense, chemical thing is a big one, yeah.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: And in regards to Paul trying out rice and some of these other things, another reason why you shouldn't be going carnivore for an extended period of time is because the gut does adapt to that and then when you try to reintroduce other foods, it's going to have trouble with that.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: That's why the uh inuit can survive off of all of these uh seal blubber and all that stuff, whereas you you, if you went and did that, you would have so much trouble because you were not adapted to that yeah, yeah, for sure, and I think like that's, that's, you know, obviously, like coming from like an anthropological background like everybody's different, and I think, people who function like better off of having, you know, more plants and I think a lot of it comes down to fiber content as well, because, like you just said, you know we can all, at least here, agree that fiber is beneficial.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: But, boy, howdy, I'll fucking tell you.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: I talk to people and they're like, when I eat fiber, you know, I I feel worse.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: I'm like, well, how much fiber are you eating right now?
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: On average, like nearly none.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: And then when they do eat fiber, they go, they go ham with it.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: They're adding like all these beans and everything like that.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: And then, and then you see people like paul saying, oh, plant defense, chemicals.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: I'm like, or or was it the fact that you just had a ton of fiber that your body's not used to and that totally messed you up, losing the uh, the organized organism?
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: not organization the organization in their gut that's responsible for breaking down cellulose really yes, just adapting over time yeah, because people are removing fiber from their diet and so over time, we're seeing less and less of that organism in their gut, particularly in big cities where lots of people end up doing a lot of fast food.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: That's interesting.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: That's very interesting.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: One of the supplements we're working on is making a digestive enzyme, and so I'm diving into all things digestive enzymes right now and looking into that.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: It's pretty interesting.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: You know, like alcohol will like deplete digestive enzymes and stress will like deplete digestive enzymes and, um, stress can like deplete digestive enzymes.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: It's pretty interesting.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: And then you have all these different enzymes.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Some help digest protein, some help digest.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: You know, and like, for most people it's just not an issue, but uh, that's the thing is.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: A lot of people ask me about them.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: I'm like it's, it seems to help.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Some people tell me like this is what, this is what saved me.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: This thing and other, and for most people are like no, this did nothing, so it's just like I, I can't yeah, and it matt.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: It depends on how much of that enzyme the person is naturally producing yeah, yeah, so it's really interesting.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: One thing, another thing I think we do agree on is sort of the demonization of salt lately.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: Um, I don't think you guys are too anti-salt.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: Now that's interesting, I think.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Now I think it's interesting.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: Obviously we make these salt-based electrolytes.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: They're one of our best sellers.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: People love it.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd like to try it at some point.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: It looked pretty good.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's sodium, potassium and magnesium.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: Again with my new content style, whatever you guys want to call it.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: If you look at my last post on Santa Cruz, Indicinals about this, I purposely start the post off with a lot of people are deficient in potassium.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Here are the foods you can eat Avocados, potatoes, you know, real dairy that can give you great amounts of potassium, and then I go into you can also supplement with an electrolyte.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: So I'm trying to do more of that, right.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: What do you guys think about salt?
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: You you know like there's a great state on nfl players where they um, they examine how much sodium they're losing in like a training session, and it varied from two grams all the way up to 30 grams and some of the players fascinating.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of salt.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: They're probably huge 300 pound linemen, like it's sweating, like yeah you can actually for anybody I've done this before.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: you can get patches that you put like on your skin where you sweat a bunch, basically, and you go for a workout, you sweat, and then you can like scan it on your phone or whatever, and it'll show you, kind of like, how much sodium you sweat out, because everybody's different.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's what they were using.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: So what do you guys think about sodium at all?
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Do you monitor your sodium intake?
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: I don't even monitor it.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to use it while I'm cooking and it's actually kind of annoying, Like if I do a video regarding soup.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: The first thing, the very first comments you get are.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: It has so much sodium and it's like 600 milligrams or something, and you're like I mean, yeah, that it adds a significant portion to your diet, but that's, that's not that much sodium.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: but also, it depends so much on the individual, that's why that's the problem with these these overarching recommendations.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: It's like you're talking about like an nfl player sure they're going to be sweating a lot and so they're going to.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Probably they're going to need extra, so and can I?
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: It's always funny when you say like sodium, you're like that sounds kind of scary.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: But when you call it, say electrolytes, people like, Ooh, that's good, Like you just kind of rebranded it sounds a lot better, like give me some electrolytes, oh sodium, let me stay away.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: But no.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: I think it really depends, cause if you look at someone, they're not very active.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: That type of person they very well might need to monitor their sodium and keep it lower, Absolutely yeah.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: But it just depends so much on the person.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: And so I think, because there's a lot of people who are in these situations where they are dealing with heart issues or whatever, by just kind of telling everyone hey, reduce your sodium, yeah, we can do some good, but there are people that might need more, so it just depends so much on the person.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: And then a lot of those people also.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: They might end up going and chugging electrolyte drinks because, like, as you said, electrolytes sounds nicer.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, we need electrolytes, we're going to chug these drinks.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, but this, this can of soup with sodium can't have that.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so funny, yeah, and like with the electrolytes.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: Like obviously I love our electrolytes and stuff, but like orange juice has electrolytes, coconut water has electrolytes, food has electrolytes Like you definitely don't need an electrolyte supplement.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: Now, on that side of things, though, what was really interesting for me is to dive into Logan Paul's Prime.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: The potassium, the amount of the amount of you know why?
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: you know why he did it like when formulating these.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: It's like yeah, potassium is sweet, you know it doesn't take sodium tastes salty, yeah, yeah.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: And he, he has a famous thing where he's like we didn't want this drink to be salty, we wanted it to be, you know, like taste good, and it's like like electrolyte.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: I think we can all agree electrolyte imbalance is really like a huge like.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: That's what people are trying to avoid and I find it astonishing that the most popular electrolyte beverage right now, randy, it's about branding 900 milligrams of just potassium, and not really there's a famous oh he, he has an ad that's so good.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: I forget exactly how much uh electrolytes are in iv, liquid iv versus his, but he did theirs plus one.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: So he's like they have this much electrolyte, like whatever, 100, whatever it is, and like we have 100 plus we have one more electrolyte than they have because we want to have more than them.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Like that sounds cool, I guess, to the person who knows nothing about this, but like all these athletes that are promoting it, like there's no way they're drinking this.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: There's no way they're drinking this potassium rich and this electrolyte mix.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: It's yeah, no, they're drinking.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're probably drinking lmnt or another salt-based electrolyte hopefully santa cruz paleo.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: But but yeah, you're so right.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: The flavor.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: It just tastes like oh, we don't want to taste salty.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: So here you go and it's like, yeah, yeah, exactly what are we doing?
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: Um?
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: And then, yeah, it's, it's a funny thing to think about.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Um, do you guys take magnesium or any supplements like, or do you get everything from nutrition right now?
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: primarily nutrition for me, because I love things like pumpkin seeds oh yeah, and seeds and in general I'm a big seed eater, so I only typically get that's, yeah, the only creatine, and then in the winter I'll don't get outside very much, so I only typically get plenty of magnesium.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: That's, yeah, the only creatine, and then in the winter I'll don't get outside very much, so I'll take like a vitamin d.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, do that during like the winter, because I'm just not getting a lot of sun, especially working nights.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Fuck, if you work nights like I'm sorry, it sucks.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: It's terrible for that's another thing that's terrible for you.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: That's why I should make videos about how terrible they have the sleep.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: They have the sleep guy working nights and then so it's so bad for you get off it if you can, anyway.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: But yeah, if you're not getting much sun, yeah, like vitamin d thousand I use whatever you know, like just something to make sure I'm getting enough yeah, I hope.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: I hope blood work becomes more accessible for many people yes yeah, it's, and like people I mean, I say that as a canadian, but um yeah, that's fair I hope it's more accessible for you guys in the land of free.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: We hope we get it more available.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Like I can literally just go to my doctor and be like hey, I'd like some blood work.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, done.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, now I'm in a place where I can get a lot of that stuff done, but it is insane how expensive it is.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: It's insane.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: I do think if doctors become more, I think they will become more aware of the benefits of just like a basic vitamin D test.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying they don't know, but it can be something sort of they push to the side or don't think is that important.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: But I think more and more doctors, I would say, are realizing how easy that is to get checked and how easy it is to fix, and it's just pretty well established in the medical community that having optimal vitamin D levels is a good thing.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: I wish.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I literally have a lab requisition for blood work right here in my desk.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: Actually, I think I have two of them.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, canada's amazing.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: I do hope we push more towards that and get away from, because this is another thing I think we all agree, or at least I definitely.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: I know I do greens powders god I get asked about those things so much, and it doesn't matter how many rants I've done before till I'm red in the face screaming about how I don't like them.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: People still ask me about like oh, bloom and this and that, and just like it's so overpriced, for what?
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: it is.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: So I have have.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: I have emails from some of the top greens powders producers, greens powder producers out there and usually you're looking at about three to $4 for like a thing and that's, that's cheap and like why they are able to do what they do is they have tons of margin in that product.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: It's basic.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Cause they sell what?
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: 30, 40 bucks, something like that.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: And you know I I've.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: I have emails from a company basically saying yeah, we get like vegetable byproducts, like they're not putting.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: You know the broccoli.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: You're better off eating broccoli on the shelf, because that's beautiful broccoli that made it to the shelf.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: You know, who knows, I would love to run a mycotoxin test on like some greens powders out there.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on with them, but I think for a lot of people like they just um, they just view it as like this drink get the way they market it is.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: This drink gets you, it covers your bases is what athletic green says covers your bases, it gets you everything you need and that is very, very appealing to people.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right I mean shit, that's amazing marketing like that and then they put that behind a proprietary.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Blend a hundred dollars for a bag of whatever was left over, basically yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: And then one of the other things I find interesting I um, I'm going to release an episode.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: I have a functional medicine doctor I talked to.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: He's an md, he's a really smart guy and uh, um, one of the things he was talking about is certain probiotic species can actually be histamine producing and cause like reactions to people.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: So, like he's like these products that dump in 40 probiotic strains because they want to tell people we have billions of you know, bacteria you want the number as high as possible, yeah yeah, he's like well, that's not going to be good for a lot of people and he's had many patients that go on kombucha and super greens and all this stuff and they're having full-blown histamine reactions.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: And that was what he was saying is one of the things that is causing that.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: And then he gets some towards, you know, eating greek yogurt and fermented vegetables and that goes away.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: So that's pretty fascinating I know if you want probiotics, there's kimchi sauerkraut I love.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: I like tempeh, if you ever seen it.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: It's like fermented soybeans, because I and yeah, it's not worth going out of your way to get all uh something with four billion probiotics, because you're the ones that survive in your gut are going to be relative to what your diet is, so if it's not something you're eating often, they're just going to die.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah and and you know another, like I've been doing some GI map tests of like my gut and you get to see so much information on there.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: You get to see your gut diversity, all this stuff and very you know niche thing Cause like it's an expensive test.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: But one thing I would find very interesting is I wonder what the gut diversity of these people have been carnivore, very strict animal base for a while is, because I can't, like you, need fiber to basically feed on that you know right give you the substrate and like, if you're not eating foods like sweet potato.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: You know I eat a lot of potatoes, carrots, you know, veggies, fruit, obviously.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: So I eat a good amount of those and, like, I have good gut diversity.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: But I wonder what it would be if I cut all those foods out and the fact that they say it's like fiber is non-essential.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: I hear that all the time like fiber is non-essential, you don't need it.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, of all the things, like listen I I like I don't agree with like demonization of like oreos and stuff and I'm like okay, listen, we're eating like 60, 70 process, ultra processed foods in america.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: We're eating too much of it.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: It's causing problems, I get it, but like fiber, like I just dumbfounded yeah, yeah, it's pretty fascinating to me, and because there's there's also so many ways you can get fiber in, so like, like, if we sat down to dinner, I might not eat a bunch of your whole grain bread, but there is hundreds of other foods that have fiber.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: Like the fact that you can't find some foods that work well with your gut, like I love sweet potatoes.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: Like they're so rich in so many nutrients they taste absolutely delicious.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: What was I eating last night, rob?
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: I put sweet potatoes.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: I like beans absolutely delicious.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: What was I eating last night, rob?
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: I put sweet potatoes, I like beans.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: I like corn.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: I know you're not a super fan of those ones, but I love me some beans and corns.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: Right on sweet potato no, I mean I, I, I don't mind.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: I don't mind beans.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: I made a chili recipe recently.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: Threw a bunch of beans in there yeah, yeah, um, I think in that video that was the video was actually a while ago because I was in tahoe in the winter snowboarding.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: We did it like a chili with my buddy had some elk actually that guy was telling you about there's always hunting interesting and so we did like a grass-fed uh beef elk and then we did the elk and then we did the beans in there.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: But I was like I shouted you out in the video, like, just briefly, I'm like shut up.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm eating beans, because they're like you know, it's always affordability and I'm like I like's cheap and I grew up maybe not poor, but not a lot.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Not well off Not well off, not well off.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: So beans were a staple for sure, yeah, and I've been trying to do more videos to show how to eat a good diet affordably.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: I've seen that.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen some.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which sometimes I'll get pushback with my community to be like.
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: That beef is not like you're telling people to eat this.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yes, regenerative, grass-fed, grass-finished beef is what I would prefer, but that is not like.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: When I was working at Papa John's.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: I did not eat the Papa John's at all.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: I was actually mad that I was inhaling the gluten because you have to make the pizzas and then go deliver it.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: It would piss me off because I was already into all this health stuff.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: This cheese is not grass-fed.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: What the fuck?
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, dude, that job drove me crazy.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: Think about me like I was already just getting into this stuff and I would have to just show up at people's door.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: Liters of soda, a pizza that I would never eat it was.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: And then I actually became one of the first door dash drivers ever.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: Really, yeah, so this was in palo alto.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: I'm leaving the Papa John's in Palo Alto to go deliver pizzas and this dude approaches me and he goes hey, I'm like what does this guy want?
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: Like what am I about to get robbed?
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: What's going on?
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: And he goes hey, my name is Stanley.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: I just founded a company, a startup called DoorDash.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: He's like we're right across the street, they're operating out of a house, and he's like I can make you more money than you make at papa john's doing deliveries.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: I'm like let's go, I don't care, you know like I met with him like a couple days later and, wow, I should have got paid in equity if I just said give me 0.001 percent of this thing.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah messed up there, but uh, yeah, that was a random sidebar.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: That's great, I love it it Personal being in California, fucking venture capital like this company starting up Exactly.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: And then I wanted to ask you and I'm like flipping the interview on you guys, I don't know why, but what do you guys like to do for exercise lately?
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: I've seen Liam, you do, obviously, some stuff in the gym- you want to go for it, we'll both go at the same time okay, let's just talk, let's just I do this, and yeah, okay go ahead, yeah, no, I mean.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: So my gym.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: I'm lucky that my gym is four minutes away from me.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: It's like it's right down the road and I'll generally, and it's open 24 hours for me like working nights.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: I need something that's 24 hours because I'm there at like one, two in the morning, something like that.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Um, and then I do muay thai, kickboxing.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, if you like martial arts is, it's, it's good exercise, but also just like for mental, just it helps for your mental health.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: I think it's.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: I think it's great, it's a discipline, it's something, it's.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: All those good words, I, I, I enjoy that a lot, um, and then everything else.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: But like, I try and just stay more moving.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: I have my daughter, so you know, take her for just like walks, you know, just go outside, I'll carry, I'll carry her around because, listen, she is six months old and 24 pounds.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: She is the chubbiest baby ever.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: So you know, I just try and with that, and even even in, like my gaming, like I'll get like a vr or something like that.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: That gets me moving.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: You'd be surprised.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: I'm literally like in my boxers, just sweating, something like that that gets me moving.
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: You'd be surprised I'm literally like in my boxers, just sweating like just out of breath like this is stupid.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: All the fans in the house blowing out yeah, I have literally that might have to go on a different website, but you know that's for the only fans.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Exactly that's what they're coming at you when I've, when tiktok gets banned and that's uh.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I mean I just try.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: I mean for I tell people like you know, whatever little thing it is that you find like sports, I love it, especially like in the summer vault, I love beach volleyball is like my favorite sport.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: I, I absolutely love it.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Um, so you just kind of have to find what works for you yep, I got to play beach volleyball on a sandbar on the um uh rios madre, the river that feeds the amazon river.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: That was an experience that's fun.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: Beach volleyball is the shit for everyone out there.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, try just like diving in the sand, like I'll dive for stuff.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: I know I'm not gonna get because I'm like, I just like to dive in the sand.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: It's fun, I feel like I'm too short for beach volleyball, like I made a basketball video recently and like like people were roasting my jumpsuit.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you got some comments on that.
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: I was like, listen guys, listen guys.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: I'm 5'8", I quit basketball in high school and it was probably a good decision, probably for the best, but I still play basketball and beach volleyball for fun.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: It's a sport, you get exercise, you have fun, you connect with others, because I think that's something we leave out.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: A lot in health is just having a supportive community like you look at, like the zones I'm sure exactly the blue zones.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: Everyone debates what's going on there like one thing.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: They definitely have is community like a hundred percent.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: You can all debate how many eggs and, you know, fish.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: Whatever we get to a week, why do we get?
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: to like these tiny nuances all the time, when it's just like come on, can we focus on the macro, like just you know, having this positive community around you and just moving throughout the day, whatever it is like those two things are so much bigger than are eggs healthy and how many like I?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Just it's like eh, eh, eh.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: That's what I have to say about it.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: For me.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: I get a couple workouts in every week.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: I work out with a client, so whenever he's available we just hit the gym for an hour.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Nothing fancy anymore, but I get a lot of exercise in because I'm a DIYer.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: And so I will be doing a lot of building and there's a lot of shelves and various stuff in here that I build myself.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: And, as we were talking about before we started recording, I also have spent like a third of my life camping and, yep, not glamping, actual camping and so, like lots of chopping wood for fire, I love going out, uh, on the water, in a kayak, doing some fishing and, yeah, I just I.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: I need to have one year to go ahead, finish, but I need to rant about something okay, it's been on my mind I'm angry, so go ahead and then, of course, I also have to walk pippin, because if you have a cat and you are not walking, your cat, what are you even doing?
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: because they're they're crazy animals.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: Put them on where you put a leash on a cat oh like it's.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: It's a huge pet peeve for me.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: People will just throw their cat out the door, like you get a dog literally a pet peeve, literally a pet peeve.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: You get a dog and how you treat that dog.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: You're playing with it, you're taking for walks.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: You get a cat and you like scratch it a couple times a day and it just does its own thing.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: That's why people get them because they're independent.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: People think they're independent.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: The reason they're independent is because everybody's ignoring them all day.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Fair enough whereas cats actually are fairly social and you can train them to do the same things as dogs.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: I've got pippin right here in front of me on a thing, just chilling while we're talking I I am upset because at my work okay, listen, they have in the basement there's a gym.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: It was an old ratty gym.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: It still worked.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: It was fine.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: I went down there all the time before work, after work, whatever it had the sheer basics, they just redid it and it's immaculate.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: It is like so nice.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: They have a goddamn small shuffleboard in there, like ping pong all sorts of shit.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: You showed me the picture and I was so jealous.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: So, like I'm telling you, they have one of those mirrors that you're supposed to like do whatever the mirror is doing, I don't know, it doesn't matter, I just like that.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: They have all these other equipment and I went down there and I got in trouble for working out because apparently it wasn't open yet I got emails about it my manager.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Yet I got emails about it my manager's.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: Like you can't go down there.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Apparently there's legal issues and they can't open it.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: Yet I'm like, okay, okay, okay.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: So what you're doing is you're not allowing people to work out because of some like I'm sure somebody's gonna sue because of this or that or warranties or some bullshit.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: And I'm just like dude, like having a gym in, like a workspace is of, that is such like it doesn't cost the company that much and it's it saving on health insurance.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: They're working out exercising.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: Come on, just open the gym.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: So I'm angry, I'm mad.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: My gym closed it back down.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: I wonder how much money we would save in healthcare if we made an actual big push.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: People were like I think the last person to really do it was Michelle Obama.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: She really did push healthy eating and exercise a bit, but not that much.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: I'm really wondering when somebody is going to step up.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: I'm astonished.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: During COVID I know they couldn't really push certain things.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: It must be a nightmare working in government, so I don't know what that's like, the fact that nobody made a big push of oh, at your house, house, like away from other people, like you can do, like basic stuff, like just like movements and stuff.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: But like I put a pull up bar in my basement, like I just like started to a beam and now I have that, like you know, just one thing that really annoys me about some of the other wellness influencers and their crowd is always like oh, they're doing it to make you healthy and blah, blah, blah.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: Not once, not once do they ever tell you go get some exercise yeah, and then the exercise sometimes is just like machines attached to you and like like this crazy shit the hula hoop weight thing or the weighted jump rope, I think yeah, I think one of the things I've really tried to do is show all the activities that I do outside like basic stuff.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: One thing I found fascinating I didn't know this.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: I saw it off a nutrition narc video and then I made a video off of this walking one mile, and running one mile burn roughly the same amount of calories, just one's faster.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: Cause you're moving the same weight the same distance I'm like, of course, running you're going to have other cardiorespiratory benefits and you know.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: But it's like a lot of people like, just like the framework in somebody's mind.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: If you were to tell them, hey, if you ran an extra 10 miles per week, you'd be in way better shape, you drop some weight, they'd be like, of course, but I can't run 10 miles a week, that's insane.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: But if you tell them, hey, miles a week, that's insane.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: But if you tell them, hey, if you walk an extra 10 miles per week, you know you're gonna get a lot of those same benefits.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, that seems like so approachable people like, okay, like, but you know, I mean this is the conundrum you guys are in actually is you deal with a lot of this stuff where you're like, well, we don't know the answer.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's nuanced.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: Like I guess I'm willing to more to go out there and make like these, like bold statements that go viral and stuff.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: But like, uh right, how boring is it that you can just tell people walk a bunch.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: It's just never gonna go viral.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: You gotta add something into it maybe I'll do a video, because I do walk in the morning with a tennis ball and I bounce it.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: Just uh, it gets my mind going.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Whatever, maybe I'll do a video on that, maybe that'll make walking I find for me like listening to like a podcast, like there's a few podcasts I like I'm like I'll listen to them while I'm listening.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: What am I gonna do?
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: Just sit here?
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: Am I just gonna sit here and listen to it, like, why don't?
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: Like, if it's as long as it's not freezing outside, it will go whatever.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: Just like find something you enjoy sometimes when I'm working at my desk.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: I invested in the little treadmill that I'll stand the standing desk and I'll just do a light walk while I'm sitting here working or standing here working, I guess, Not to mention like just, I love going out to the mountains and just hiking and all that is is just walking.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's walking uphill a lot.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: My goal now is to get you guys out to San Diego at some point.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: We're building a new podcast studio out there and we're going to go surf and then do a podcast.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: It's going to be fun.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: Nice Sounds terrible.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: Likewise, I got to get you out to Alberta and we are going to hit up those mountains.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll go moose hunting, and you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: Like again going back to the red meat, I wouldn't be worried about having some moose right.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: I have had moose obviously.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: And people ask me all the time like, am I vegan, am I plant-based?
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: I'm like no, I just like I don't eat a lot of meat.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: But yeah, if I go somewhere and there's like a, a restaurant or something, like gathering or whatever, I whatever.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: But like that's just for me, like you have found right.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: Like you know, brendan, you're focusing on, you know meat and you know various things like that, yeah, you'd feel your best.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: I like eating lots of beans and like you know oats and peanuts, holy shit, like I, the amount of nuts I eat, stupid, like it's a dumb amount and that's why, oh, man with the influencers come after like peanuts for like aflatoxins and stuff it drives me.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: We used to have we used to have.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: One of our first products was santa cruz.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: Paleo was a trail mix and it was so amazing.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: It was a trail mix with nuts roasted in coconut oil, of course, because most of them do have seed oils and we put Stevia sweetened chocolate chips in there and the product was rocking it was.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: And then summer came around and those things started to melt and freeze and Amazon started to hit us up and go hey guys, you're shipping people just like bricks.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, that sucks.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: And so then to add the freezer packs into it, it makes them so expensive.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: It was just like you know, hey, I'll push some products that are higher end, expensive, but I'm not going to sell a trail mix for like $35.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: It's not going to happen.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: Like I think it was $15 for like a two pound bag before and but you guys would have loved it.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've, oh, I've yeah yeah, if you got some leftover in the back of the warehouse throw it in a grinder, it'll be fine exactly exactly, so yeah but um yeah but yeah, I gotta, I gotta run, I'm gonna get home, but um, anything else you guys want to cover yes, I want to go back to the raw milk.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: I still have more to say.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was yeah, um, yeah, talking about the, the benefits of that, um, that's the main, that's a main point for people talking about raw milk, obviously, and if we look at the studies that have those benefits, um, if you want to like again, there's few studies, it's not proven, it's not disproven.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: If you want to believe that those benefits are there, or if maybe you've experienced them and you have your personal anecdote about them, those studies, they say that those benefits are also seen in boiled milk, that there may be benefit to having these lower temperature paste, believe in these, the the evidence is there and that these benefits are are a thing.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: Then the optimal thing would be to have the pasteurized milk, not high temperature, but regular pasteurized or boiled, because those still see the benefits but they also remove the negatives still see the benefits but they also remove the negatives.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: Look, I mean like with raw milk, like I can confidently say, like you know, I I definitely overstepped with my ideologies about raw milk and like I completely acknowledge like it can be dangerous, especially the ways that people are obtaining raw milk.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and when you look into the benefits.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: If you combine yogurt and pasteurized dairy, you're going to get all of the benefits of that dairy.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: So, like, yeah, in my content now like if I do happen to have the raw farms milk and I'm making a protein shake, what I write on my like Instagram stories and stuff I just write like grass fed dairy, cause I am a fan of grass fed, better for the environment, whatever, but that's what I try to phrase it, as I'm using grass fed dairy and I do in a lot of my posts.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: Now I drink the.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: There's a brand in California called Alexander's.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's in other places in the United States, but they do that low temp pasteurized dairy and it's a.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: They do have A2 dairy as well, which for some reason it doesn't bother me if I have the A1 dairy, but um so yeah, like stuff like that, I think is the very reason why I'm on this podcast.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, 14-year-old to watch my Instagram story if I was going, hey, get raw milk, it's really good.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: And then they try to go get it, they get some bad source and they get violently ill.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: That is not with my goal of making people healthier.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: So right, yeah, to your credit, like, obviously, the circle Liam and I are in, they're like vehemently against raw milk.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, experienced that.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: But if it like, if it wasn't for interacting with you and taking more looks at these studies and being like, okay, there, maybe this, this low temperature pasteurization, does have something going on, the, the possibilities there, yeah, and so, yeah, maybe, like I still, yes, obviously, pasteurize your milk, but maybe if we went back from the high temperature back to a lower temperature pasteurization, there might be some benefit.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Who knows?
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: It's definitely something we should look into, I think the raw milk thing really took off because, like, let's be real, like now, like a lot of these foods and a lot of these ideologies have become really political ever since COVID.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: Yes, and raw milk taps into this thing of food freedom, the government telling you not to get something, and it's just such a nuanced topic because I'm like and I try to make content on this I am not somebody who thinks doctors and big pharma are out to get you.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: If you listen to somebody like Brigham Bueller on Joe Rogan, who dives deep into it, he explains it very well where he talks about basically why you usually can't go to a doctor and get tons of lab work done, because these doctors can get in trouble, basically through the insurance of being like wait, you ordered all these panels for somebody that is healthy.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: That is medical malpractice.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: They can get in trouble.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: He detailed it in depth and his conclusion is these doctors are not evil at all.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: There is a system getting built with medical insurance and all this stuff that will lead to some poor outcomes sometimes, but I really am trying to get people away from the idea that there are people smoking cigars somewhere trying to poison us right it doesn't work.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: We vote with our dollars yeah, you guys need to finally socialize your medicine yeah, yeah that'd be, yeah, so like um, yeah, no, I totally, totally agree.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: And uh, yeah, I'm totally always willing to step back from a position I had if I feel I was wrong.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know why more people can't do that.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was very prevalent with the lactase in milk.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's just.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: I can't believe that gets pushed so much.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: Still Like, if there's lactase in the milk that's being created by E coli.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: So if there's lactase in the milk it's contaminated with E coli.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just so.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: And then, obviously, with the artificial sweeteners thing, I've definitely taken my foot off the the pedal there.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: Um, it's still not something I consume.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: I think it'll be interesting to see what happens with studies on colon cancer and gut microbiome and artificial sweeteners.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: But yeah, people use them oftentimes to help them lose weight.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: I can't really hate on that.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: And if somebody DMs me saying you know, and like somebody DMs me saying, oh, I'm drinking diet soda, do you think I should quit?
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: It's like I don't know, like is drinking water very easy for you and like it's so easy to quit diet soda, and like you're not going to consume soda to fill that craving, like full sugar soda, yeah, then maybe try to quit diet soda.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: I might be a a bit of a, I have like a harder stance there, right.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: But if that same person goes no, actually the diet soda is helping me, not drink full sugar coca-cola.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: You know, sure I have more of a hard stance with things.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: I you know, discipline and stuff but that's what we kind of tell somebody else that's what rob and I kind of appreciate about your channel.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: At least you can say like hey, I don't like that.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: I don't personally consider this thing, I don't enjoy it.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: But you know, if you do and these are your reasons here you go like that's all we, that's all we want, like we don't want anything fucking crazy here, we just want you to be like everybody's different.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: Hey, you kind of do your own thing.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: I personally don't like agree with a lot of the creators that say that you can have 12 to 50 cans of diet soda.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: Sure, I definitely feel it's lower than that and I haven't sat down to look into it too much.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: But I'm positive that they are not converting, like these things are always in rats, right.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: And I'm positive they're not converting from rats to humans properly, cause it's not a one-to-one ratio.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: You can't just be like, okay, it's a hundred milligrams per kilogram in rats, a hundred milligrams per kilogram in human.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way, yeah, and so I think that the numbers end up being a little inflated.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: Totally, totally.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we appreciate you coming on, brandon.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go to the gym and then I'm going to game later, because I do everything in moderation, like the podcast you're listening to.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: I was talking to Rob at the beginning of.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: I've made videos coming at people that go.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: You know, some creators in my field have been like can't play video games and be successful and I'm like I've made a video back to my buddy Squid, who's like a young entrepreneur guy and it was me sitting.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: I tried to throw on like a Rolex and, like you know, like jump in a nice car and I was like I play video games.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: Pretty much every day I play a game of Madden or a game of FIFA.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: Do you have Baldur's Gate?
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: I don't have Baldur's Gate.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: You could have joined us.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: We live stream Baldur's Gate.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been playing that.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: I'm not into some of those.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: You know some of the video games.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: My co-founder, Joe, probably knows what Baldur's Gate is.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: Fair enough.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: I think you know what we're all saying here is like be you is the most important thing, have community.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: Yep Exercise Find some movement you enjoy.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like just put in some work on your life, like a lot of people know what they need to do.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: You know, they know what they need to do.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we talk about that a lot on this podcast.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you already know we're just here to encourage you.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: That's what this podcast is all about.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: Get out there and actually do the thing you already know.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: I thought this podcast was about teaching people how to grift.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: I thought it was about teaching people not to be the worst.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: Where are we at?
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: What's going on?
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: I asked Brendan the cutting board question.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: That was the most important thing, so we got an answer on that I feel much better.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: Well, before you leave us, Brendan, where can everybody find you?
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they can find me at Santa Cruz Medicinals on YouTube, instagram, tiktok and if they want to try out any supplements, it's santa cruz paleo.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: On amazon, we're gonna get our stuff in amazon, canada, soon, working on that, um.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, like I think your audience would like some of the basics.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: We sell their vitamin d, creatine, protein, all that type of stuff and yeah, I really appreciate you guys having me on.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: I think this stuff is important.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: More people need to do this.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: This is literally what the world needs more of Like.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: I don't agree with you.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: I teased that you were coming on here and I think a lot of people are expecting a debate and it's like no.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: I wanted to sit down and just talk discuss.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: You got a debate?
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and, like you know, you guys are extremely intelligent.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, if you wanted to prove that I'm an idiot, I'd, I'll be the first one to tell you I'm an idiot, and I think you guys are like we don't know everything.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know about that.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: I talk about how dumb I am.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: A lot I've done some pretty stupid things on my videos.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: I busted a safe with protein bars in it so I couldn't get the protein bars out like I don't, don't just I remember that that happens.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: Listen, life, you learn from your mistakes and that's what's important.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: Anyway, thanks for coming, absolutely.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: Appreciate you guys so much Anytime, and we got to get you out to San Diego on the Santa Cruz Renaissance podcast and we'll eat some steak together.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: Probably Sounds good.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: All right, I'll have some beans and some yes.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: Steaks and beans.