Latest / UK Column Radio / Jerm Warfare - Todd Hayen on letting go of dogmatic thinking

Transcript

Jerm Warfare - Todd Hayen on letting go of dogmatic thinking · UK Column Radio

0:38
Todd Hay and I am at the end of this horrible illness.
0:45
And as I said to you before we were recording, my voice still
0:49
sounds a bit like a an old lesbian school teacher who's
0:53
been smoking for 30 years. So I'm going to I'm going to
0:56
hope that you're going to talk a lot more.
0:58
Please and give and give me a chance not to talk.
1:03
Well, you know, it's funny. It's say that because I've got a
1:06
thing now. If I talk too much, my throat
1:09
gets all messed up. That's why I've got my water
1:11
here. Oh, no, All right, so I sound
1:14
more like. A 70 year old lesbian.
1:18
And you look good. No, I do.
1:21
Well, I am I am planning on on spending the last years of my
1:24
life as as on a different identity you.
1:28
Know that's funny we were just. Talking about, I'm done with
1:32
this identity. Yes, we were just talking about
1:36
before I pressed record when I was looking at your at your shoe
1:40
views sub stack. You got a couple cool articles.
1:46
The beast cometh and you're chatting about the facial
1:48
recognition, and I want to chat to you about that also, as well
1:51
as infuse it with this other sub stack of yours.
1:55
Pick and choose your own truth. This is this is something that
1:59
really, really bugs me about people on our side is that they
2:04
they claim to want to know the truth, but they actually don't.
2:07
They still pick and choose what is true.
2:09
Have you noticed that? Oh my God, Yeah, yeah, it's,
2:12
it's like there's a subset of, you know, I, I call people on
2:16
our side shrews, you know, from my shrew view sub stack.
2:20
And I think there's a subset now of shrews that that are are too
2:28
far down the rabbit hole, if you want to say that and they're
2:31
sorry. So Adam, huh?
2:32
Todd, your your, your chair is quite squeaky, so I'm going to
2:36
ask you to try and not swing. That's on purpose.
2:41
That's that. OK, so I can't move now.
2:45
Sorry. I need to do something about
2:48
that. Get some old WD40 out and
2:52
slather it down. That there is a subset that is
2:57
just what you're saying. You know, on the other side of
3:00
it, we've always complained and talked about the left not, not
3:04
really being focused on truth and that, that there's nothing,
3:09
you know, it's it's dogma. It's, it's the same, the same
3:12
dogma that, that, that, you know, taints nearly everything
3:16
like religion and science and it, it's everywhere.
3:21
It's like humans apparently have have a real need to stick with
3:26
something that's very binary, that's either right or wrong,
3:29
black or white, and whatever they choose, whatever they pick
3:33
as being the thing to stick with, there's nothing that'll
3:37
push them away from that. And I think that's my 1.
3:41
And you know, for some reason, I haven't had as big of a problem
3:43
with that as as a lot of people do.
3:45
And I don't think you do either. I mean, that's one of the things
3:47
that I really love about talking to you is that you're, you are
3:52
the, the true example of open minded.
3:55
You know, you'll believe something, but if something
3:58
comes along that tells you, well, you know, maybe you should
4:00
look at it this way. You're totally open to that.
4:03
And I kind of feel that I'm like that to to some degree.
4:07
And, you know, you and I have joked about Flat Earth and have
4:09
joked about, you know, a lot of things that we like say, well,
4:12
who knows? Maybe it is.
4:13
It's like, it's like, and I, I just like you.
4:17
I get, and I that's why I wrote that article.
4:19
I get very tired of this dogmatic stance that people
4:25
take, especially with what's going on in the world.
4:29
It's like you don't have to believe in something to the
4:34
degree that that you won't even consider.
4:38
And I think the agenda, I think that's what they play with.
4:41
I think that's one of their big power plays is to create this
4:46
dogma so that either side, that's where this whole idea of
4:51
the Civil war comes up. And, and all of this, it's, it's
4:54
like people that are so ensconced and, and so, you know,
4:58
deeply staked in the ground with anything in particular on either
5:04
side. And I thought, you know, that
5:07
you could share because I'm sure you're planning to about your
5:10
trip and, you know, this idea of, of, of social credit in
5:14
China and, and surveillance and whatever to the degree I mean, I
5:18
believed it was what I keep hearing everywhere and you just
5:23
have to go there and, and. See for your thing, yes, that,
5:27
that's the thing that that, but so that's the thing that annoys
5:30
me. But but it's it's always in
5:33
layers. So someone will say, have you
5:37
been there? No, I haven't.
5:38
OK. Well, then you wouldn't know.
5:40
All right, so let me go there. All right, fine.
5:42
So you go there you go. OK.
5:44
How long were there while I was there?
5:45
Three weeks. But you were just there as a
5:46
tourist. That doesn't count.
5:48
Right. So then, OK, so let me let me
5:50
speak to somebody who lives there.
5:52
OK, fine. I'll talk to somebody who lives
5:53
there. But you can't talk to somebody
5:55
who lives there because the government is is watching them.
5:59
Yeah. So then at what point?
6:01
At what point do you accept something?
6:05
Because you're always going to keep kicking the can down the
6:08
road if you keep adjusting the levels.
6:12
I think going somewhere is better than not going somewhere
6:17
for for starting. Absolutely.
6:19
It's better than. It doesn't necessarily tell you
6:22
everything. No.
6:24
But it's better than because you can cut through the, the first
6:28
layer of dogma by actually experience.
6:32
And, and you know, it's not even what your senses bring in.
6:35
It's also what you feel in your heart.
6:38
You know, when when you're somewhere where you're
6:41
physically in proximity and physically engaged, you learn an
6:45
awful lot by very subtle clues. It's not, it's not, it's not as
6:52
easy to trick you when you're actually there.
6:56
So when you're there, you may not see the things that will
6:59
prove to you that say, you know, the surveillance or the, or the
7:04
social credit is not as, as, as prominent as what everybody's
7:08
saying it is. You may not actually see it, but
7:11
but you're going to get a sense for it.
7:14
And that's also not 100% correct, but it's better than
7:19
it's better than just inputting through the, the mind, you know,
7:25
the intellect, reading things, hearing people talk about
7:29
things. That's limited to a really large
7:32
degree. You do, you do have to be there.
7:34
You know, I, I would have really liked to have gone to Russia.
7:39
I have a lot of contacts in Russia and I used to record
7:43
there a lot. And, you know, I really played
7:46
with the idea of, of going to Moscow and really getting a
7:49
feeling for what's going on in, in Moscow and in Ukraine by
7:54
being there and talking to people and just being around it.
7:58
I think it'd be a very, very different picture of of the
8:01
propaganda we've been that's been well.
8:03
This is what This is what my friend Nick Hudson refers to as
8:07
Complex Systems. Kit Knightley from Off Guardian
8:12
refers to it as the fake bindery or false dichotomy where
8:17
everything is being placed into a one or zero, a binary choice.
8:25
And, and this is the problem that a lot of people on our
8:28
side, quote UN quote have is that they are not able to see
8:33
the grey. They're not able to see the
8:34
complexity or the nuance. They, they are caught up in
8:38
that, in that fake binary, that false dichotomy and, and
8:42
they'll, you know, for example, China is a dystopian hellhole.
8:47
OK, so I went there for for three weeks and I went to 9
8:50
cities. And is it a dystopian hellhole?
8:54
No, not at all. It's a highly efficient country.
8:59
It's very technocratic. Do I want to live there?
9:03
No, I don't want to live there. But I don't want to live there
9:06
for a pile of reasons, Todd and one of them because it's not my
9:11
home. You know, that's the that's the
9:13
primary reason. And it's not my home.
9:15
And home is where the heart is. My heart is not there.
9:17
It's it's yeah, yeah. On on my African continent where
9:21
everything's broken. I this is what I know and it's
9:23
what I love. But is it a dystopian?
9:26
How long? No.
9:28
Is it rainbows and unicorns? Definitely not.
9:32
So it's somewhere in between. Yeah, well, which is what most
9:37
things are, you know, most things are in between.
9:40
I mean, you know, one of one of Carl Jung's favorite, but for
9:44
me, favorite quotes is, is this idea of the tension of the
9:47
opposites, you know, that real life takes place in the middle,
9:52
not on either extreme. It's where the 2 extremes
9:56
collide and you know, there's a lot of depth to that.
10:01
It's not, it's not so much to be taken literally with, with
10:05
events that go on in the world or whatever, but but I, I think
10:08
there is truth to that even applied to things like what
10:11
we're talking about. You know, you have one extreme
10:14
that says one thing and then another extreme that says
10:17
another. And most likely the truth is
10:19
somewhere in the middle where it's fuzzy, you know, where you
10:23
can't put a stake in the ground and claim that is the truth.
10:28
And I don't think people are comfortable with that.
10:31
I, I think people want that, you know what I keep saying to
10:33
people that argue with me and, and believe me, I have a lot in
10:38
my family. I, I am definitely surrounded
10:40
by, by, you know, liberals and woke folks and, and whatever.
10:46
And one of the things that when we get into arguments that, that
10:50
I always say over and over again is I say, I don't really care.
10:53
And, and I don't mean that in a flippant way.
10:55
I mean that I'm not going to stake my everything on whether
11:01
Trump is right or Trump is insane and is going to kill the
11:05
world or whatever. I'm, I'm just going to stay in
11:08
the middle. I, I, you know, and maybe once
11:11
in a while I'll lean over to one way or the other way with what I
11:15
write about or what I think about.
11:18
But they're very few, just like we were talking about before.
11:21
They're very few things that that I would stake as truth.
11:24
And they're very broad, you know, like love is truth and
11:29
murdering masses of people is not, you know, things like that
11:34
that that I will be willing to stand to.
11:38
But even that, you know, that's based on morality, and morality
11:43
is a fuzzy thing. At least Nietzsche believed it
11:46
was. Certainly the religions don't.
11:49
Christianity has a moral code, and probably all the others do
11:55
too. That they believe is is pretty
11:59
concretized. But.
12:03
You were talking in your your one sub stack here about picking
12:07
and choosing your truth. You.
12:09
Where is it now? You're getting perplexed by the
12:12
sheep types Quite UN quote you. You're watching something about
12:18
Mickey Willis. Oh, right.
12:21
Yeah, that was and that was a while ago.
12:23
I can't remember a lot about it. It was, it was his documentary
12:27
on vaccine injuries. I can't remember the name of it
12:31
now. I think I mentioned it in the
12:32
article. It's very, very popular and but
12:37
it came out a while ago. Follow the silenced.
12:40
Silenced, right? Right.
12:43
And I, I think that's where I, I mean, this is, this is where I
12:47
do tend to and, and you know, I, I think we all have to, I, I
12:52
don't know if we can go through life and certainly not go
12:55
through, like for me, I'm a writer, you know, you're an
12:57
interviewer. I, I do think you have to have
13:00
some basis of, of belief. That's a little more concrete
13:08
than than in the Gray area. And and one of the ones that I
13:13
take is certainly that that all of this, this COVID thing was,
13:18
you know, to use the strong term hoax.
13:21
I'm not quite convinced that everybody that that was pushing
13:25
this at the top were aware and conscious of what they were
13:29
doing. I mean, they may have been, but
13:31
I, I'm not necessarily there, but I do believe the thing
13:34
itself and the vaccine itself for COVID is a, is a big, big
13:41
problem. And I'm putting it lightly just
13:43
to stay in this kind of fuzzy area, but but I have pretty
13:46
strong feelings about that. No, but I don't think, hold on,
13:48
hold on. I don't, sorry.
13:49
I don't think everything needs to be fuzzy.
13:51
I don't think everything needs to be nuanced and complex.
13:54
I think there are some things that in my view of are very
13:57
obviously binary, like the vaccine.
14:02
Yeah, you can say that. Whether that's actually true or
14:05
not, we, we don't really know. Just just like I said, I mean,
14:09
you know, maybe we're in the Matrix and none of this is real.
14:12
And so then you can, you know, blah, blah, blah.
14:14
I mean, you can come up with all kinds of things.
14:16
But this is, this is what I was saying though, is that I, I
14:18
think that we as human beings have to do what you just said.
14:22
I, I think we have to see some things as, as binary and because
14:27
I don't think we, we could function as a physical being in,
14:31
in the world. Maybe if we were a, a spirit or
14:34
something that could just observe, we, we could like, say,
14:37
wow, that's, you know, there's nothing definite about that.
14:40
But I think just a function certainly doing what you and I
14:43
do, you know, like my writing now, my therapy is a little
14:49
different. You, you got to constantly stay
14:51
in the Gray there because you don't know who you're dealing
14:54
with and and you can't be contrary too far with with
14:59
something. Some things you can like if
15:01
somebody's a pedophile or something you're working with,
15:04
you obviously have a pretty, pretty binary way of, of dealing
15:08
with that to, to some degree, certainly not as much as say the
15:12
prison system would, but as a therapist, you might.
15:15
But anyway, I'm going going, going off, I'm going off on a
15:18
tangent. But the, the thing with the with
15:20
with Willis's, the comment I was making was that it was so clear
15:27
to me and watching that even before watching it, that the
15:30
vaccines cause serious physiological issues, serious
15:36
ones. And enough of them in the
15:39
percentage and the statistics that it should be a much bigger
15:43
concern than it obviously is. OK, I mean, that's, that's
15:46
really simple statement. And yet people will watch that
15:51
pro, that documentary and will not believe that they will
15:55
choose their own truth, which is that none of that's true, that
16:00
the vaccine saved millions of lives.
16:02
And, and if we didn't have it, you know, we just have to put up
16:05
with a couple here and there of, of people that that may be
16:09
damaged by it. But there's no proof that that
16:12
it was the vaccine that 'cause these things, you know, blah,
16:14
blah, blah. So that's the truth they take
16:17
and they choose. And it doesn't matter how clear
16:20
and how obvious the other, the contrary truth is to, or the
16:24
contrary position is to that which, which happens to be the
16:28
truth. And in my view, and that's,
16:32
that's really what I was writing about.
16:34
I, I think that there's a, there's a psychological anomaly
16:38
there that is really serious and people love to come up with
16:43
reasons for that. Oh well, they just don't know.
16:46
They haven't been educated properly or whatever.
16:49
And I, I don't think that's the reason that people will choose
16:54
something that is so obviously not true as the truth.
16:58
I I think the reason goes much much much deeper psychologically
17:03
then. Tell me more about it going
17:05
deeper. Why?
17:06
Well, I mean, there's some, it's psychologically there's, there's
17:10
a lot of things about that, you know, this, this, this necessity
17:14
for humans to be tribal, to belong to a group, to be easily
17:20
brainwashed. You know, the whole cult
17:22
psychology. And, you know, we've only
17:25
studied those kinds of things on small scales, you know, small
17:29
cults of like 100 people or something, you know, isolated
17:33
somewhere in California or some strange place.
17:37
And, and you know, we studied, there's a cult leader and
17:40
they're usually out of their mind.
17:41
And it's like really easy to see how they're manipulative and
17:44
they're kooks and, and all of this stuff.
17:47
But in reality, that what we're seeing the cult, the cult
17:52
psychology and, and, and Mattias Desmond, you know, covers this a
17:55
lot in, in his book, the, the psychology of totalitarianism.
17:59
And he calls it mass formation and that there is a, a Mass
18:06
Effect that is very, very deep. And we're talking about dogma.
18:11
I mean, that's where the dogma of that polarity and that side
18:16
is so prominent, you know, that that there is some kind of truth
18:20
set. There are people like government
18:24
presidents, obviously not the current president of the United
18:29
States. And, and that's, that's where
18:31
you run into these kinds of things.
18:32
Well, why, why isn't he part of that, that whole dogmatic belief
18:39
that they can do no wrong that, that, you know, 'cause Biden
18:43
obviously was in that position and, and any of the other
18:46
Democratic presidents were. So the, the Democratic Party as,
18:51
as the cult. Actually, if, if we're, if we're
18:55
even considering that this is a viable explanation for it.
18:59
And I'm not saying, just officially, I'm not saying the
19:02
Democratic Party is a cult, although I think both parties
19:06
have cultish elements to them on their extremes because they
19:11
listen to whatever they've decided is the chief and the,
19:15
and the, you know, the Grand Poupa of, of that group.
19:19
And nothing, nothing will get in the way of that there.
19:22
There isn't anything. And, you know, we've seen
19:24
stories about this for years that even if the leader admits
19:28
that they're a criminal or whatever, people will still stay
19:32
with them. They'll I mean, like Stalin was
19:35
like that. I mean, he never really admitted
19:37
he was a bad guy, but it was very clear after he died.
19:41
And, you know, Khrushchev came along and said, hey, guys, you
19:44
know, Stalin was was whacked. And look at all that he did and
19:48
that there's a huge group of people and there still are in
19:51
Russia that still believe Stalin was the greatest thing, even
19:54
even though they, you know, I mean, there's famous stories
19:57
about people whose, whose partners were taken off and
20:00
executed by Stalin who still believe him.
20:03
And believe that he was a great leader.
20:05
So it's you know, it's humans are weird.
20:09
I don't hear you. I think you're you're muted or
20:12
something. Sorry, I had my microphone on me
20:15
one SEC. Are you talking about Stalin
20:19
now? When I was in China, we were
20:21
chatting about Mao. So there's there's an overlap
20:24
here. Mao is still revered by a lot of
20:27
Chinese people in the same way that Stalin is revered by a lot
20:31
of Russians. Now the question you have to ask
20:35
yourself, Todd, is why? Are they simply crazy?
20:42
Or is there something perhaps that we don't know?
20:47
Well, I think it's a little bit of both.
20:49
I, I do think that both of those leaders, even Stalin and you
20:55
know, Trump may end up like this, although I don't think
20:58
Trump is, is murderous the same way Stalin or Mao was.
21:02
I mean, some people believe he is obviously, but I, I don't
21:06
think he is. But anyhow, the, they'll end up
21:11
seeing him seeing all the, the good things that, that he
21:16
presented. And you know, you can see that
21:19
in Mao. And you know, what he originally
21:21
did with China to, to bring it into this consolidated ideology
21:28
and what not. I mean, his big downfall, in my
21:30
opinion, was a cultural revolution.
21:33
But he was waning at, at the beginning of that.
21:36
He was starting to lose, lose some of his power.
21:39
And he set that all up in order to regain it.
21:43
And that's where, and if anybody out there is, is much more
21:48
versed on the history of, because I, I, I don't know that
21:52
much, but the little bit that I know or the little bit that I've
21:55
read. But yeah, I, I think when I say
21:59
it's a little bit of both, a little bit of crazy and a little
22:01
bit of what we don't know, we obviously didn't live through
22:05
that. And we don't know the power
22:08
those men had on the people and on the people's hearts.
22:13
I think it's very unusual for someone of that power and and
22:17
that much ability to radically change things, you know, to
22:23
bring a country. If you look at, of course,
22:25
Stalin came after the war or where it came before the war,
22:29
because he came right after Lennon died in 24 is so he
22:35
didn't really do that much that would improve the lives of, of
22:41
Russians. Well, that's not true.
22:44
He, he, he did, but in weird ways, you know, with what he did
22:48
in Ukraine with, with the grain and, and all of that.
22:51
I mean, that was really the industrial period of that
22:54
country. And they were, they were
22:56
preparing for war once once Hitler came along, which wasn't
23:01
too much later after that, you know, 10-15 years where they
23:06
they would know what was going on there.
23:08
And they were buddies first, obviously.
23:11
But in anyhow there we don't know because we weren't there
23:14
and we didn't experience the positive aspects of those
23:18
leaders. So I don't know if that answers
23:21
your question, but. Well, no, because I don't
23:28
suppose there is an answer I think.
23:31
I think it falls again into that complex systems way of thinking.
23:38
I mean, I've got a friend who who grew up in China in the 80s
23:41
and he remembers the hard times, the food rations and his parents
23:45
grew up in the Mao and they certainly didn't like Mao.
23:49
And yet there are others who did grow up under Mao who did like
23:52
Mao. Let's let's bring it home here
23:54
in South Africa. They are many who grew up like
23:58
myself during apartheid and have fond memories.
24:03
I, I, I have good memories of living through apartheid.
24:06
I don't look back at apartheid and go that it was just this
24:10
tragic system. You could argue yes, well,
24:14
because I was on the, on the, on the side that benefited.
24:18
That might be the case, but it is nonetheless true that I I
24:23
don't have a bad memory of it, whereas there are many black S
24:28
Africans who do have bad. And funny enough, there are many
24:31
black S Africans who do have good memories also of apartheid
24:34
because they compare where the country is now to where it was
24:38
then. So it's not a binary thing.
24:40
It's not one or zero. Well, certainly when you're
24:44
dealing with individuals, you know, our individual experience
24:48
can be radically different depending just even if we're
24:52
exposed to the same environment, we can have completely different
24:57
takes, completely different, you know, unconscious systems built
25:03
around the environment. That's radically different due
25:07
to a lot of things. I mean, the way we were raised,
25:10
you know, you could even go into the collective and say past life
25:13
stuff or whatever. But there's, you know, when
25:16
you're talking about the individual and, and again, this
25:18
is, this is a good point you're making because I think, I think
25:22
as, as we mingle with people in in our world, we're dealing with
25:30
most people and I would say like quite a large percentage that
25:35
know almost nothing about what's really going on.
25:39
They know what the news tells them.
25:41
They know what social media tells them.
25:43
They know what their friends tell them.
25:44
And when you consider that most of those sources are corrupt as
25:48
it is, you know, obviously the mainstream is, is very, very
25:54
left oriented and biased very much against Trump and the
25:59
Republicans and the the conservatives.
26:02
I mean, almost to a point where if you want to go all the way
26:05
down that rabbit hole to the point where it's, it's entirely
26:10
made-up of negative propaganda toward those other things.
26:15
So anytime Trump ever does anything, just to use him as an
26:17
example, he's not the only one it's spun to, you know, I mean,
26:22
he could do anything and it will be spun to be a negative.
26:26
I mean, like this whole thing with with Gaza and Israel, I
26:30
don't see that in the news. I mean, it is big news.
26:33
So you see a headline here and there, but nobody's talking
26:36
about it. Nobody's like saying, wow, Can
26:37
you believe how great that is that Trump did, you know?
26:40
And I think if people were not biased, they, they would
26:43
acknowledge the positive aspect of what he's done.
26:48
But because it goes against their bias, they, they don't
26:51
even want to see it. They'll admit it happened
26:53
because there's, there's nothing, but they'll spin it.
26:56
They'll say, oh, well, that's just his narcissism that he's
26:59
like going off saying that he's a, a peace lover and all that's
27:03
just all bullshit. You know, they'll say something
27:06
like that if they say anything, but they just don't know.
27:09
They they don't have information that is is not subject to the
27:15
spin. And that's why guys on ours or
27:19
people on ours don't say God because it's everybody on our
27:22
side of it are always talking about do your research.
27:26
I mean, that's like the line that you hear.
27:28
And it's like, well, where do you do your research, this
27:30
research? Do you go to the New York Times
27:32
watching the post NPR. You know, no, that's not where
27:36
you're going to find the the truth, you know, but then then
27:40
just like he said earlier, where we then get exposed to the to
27:45
the extreme on the other side, You know, like the moment
27:49
Charlie Kirk was assassinated, the the this deeper place was
27:54
saying it was all fabricated, that he's still alive, that he
27:57
wasn't really killed. And you know, to do that as
28:01
quickly as they did, I mean, they could be right.
28:04
I'm not saying they're not, but but to do it as quickly as they
28:08
did, I mean, this was literally the day of, you know, you're
28:12
hearing all these reports that it was this and it was that.
28:15
I, I just don't think the information was there to come to
28:18
those conclusions so quickly. And that's biased in my opinion.
28:24
But yeah, I mean, just as a Segway, that whole event was
28:27
weird. Oh, it was incredibly weird.
28:30
I don't have any problem with it being weird.
28:33
Absolutely. And they could be, you know,
28:35
that extreme, just like Elvis could still be alive.
28:39
I mean, that extreme to say that he wasn't actually killed is, is
28:45
an area that I think needs, needs thinking about.
28:49
But that it was set up and it was it was all, you know, not a
28:53
lone gunman, you know, the whole, the whole 9 yards.
28:56
Absolutely. There's everything's pointing to
28:58
that. And but anyway, that was just an
29:03
example. I, I don't know how you feel
29:05
about that. I mean, we can talk.
29:06
About, I don't have a, a view. I mean, it happened just before
29:10
I went to China, and so I was distracted by everything in
29:15
China. So I I didn't focus on the
29:17
Charlie Kirk thing. But I I came back and my word,
29:22
what, what a theatrical performance is, has this thing
29:27
turned out to be? Yeah.
29:31
Yeah, and that started pretty much right at the start, you
29:35
know. Yeah, I mean that that whole
29:36
memorial service kind of got my eyes, my eyebrows lifted quite
29:41
quite quickly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
29:44
And and even the way it was carried out certainly with the
29:48
shooter quote UN quote with the what he did with the gun and
29:51
and. Apparently there's no there's
29:54
there's no exit wound I believe. I haven't looked into a lot of
29:57
that. Wrong.
29:57
No, that's that's the part that that kind of points to the the
30:02
the idea that he's still alive because you know, guns have you
30:07
shot a 30 out six? I mean is that?
30:09
Dude, there's no possible way. There's no way.
30:12
There's no way in any universe that a thirty O 6 is not going
30:17
to exit his neck. There's no, there's no possible.
30:20
Way blowing to pieces. That is a that is a hunting
30:23
caliber. Yeah, yeah.
30:25
Now I don't know if it made a difference from 150 yards or
30:28
not. I don't know if that makes a
30:30
difference. I mean, that's not very far.
30:32
It isn't. OK.
30:33
Yeah, See, I don't know guns that well, but I I do know them
30:36
well enough. I mean, I grew up in Virginia
30:37
country and I did. I did have an NRA card at one
30:42
point. I mean, Todd, if I if I shoot a
30:45
buck, I shoot at much at a much further distance and I use a a
30:49
caliber that's a that's a three O 8, which is for all intents
30:53
and purposes, pretty much the same caliber.
30:56
All right. There's no ways that that thing
30:59
gets stuck inside on the animal or there's no ways it's too
31:04
strong, it's too fast. Yeah, and it would, it would at
31:07
the very least knock him back a bit.
31:11
You know, everything I've heard, it would have blown into bits
31:14
and. And and and also a 30 A thirty O
31:17
6 should leave quite a big hole. Yeah, right, right.
31:22
That's what I'm saying. Yeah.
31:24
So, you know, I, I I'm open to that.
31:27
You know, I, I think I can't the, the only reason why I don't
31:30
go 100% in that direction is I can't see any reason why they
31:35
would keep him alive. Yeah, I I don't know what's
31:37
going on. Yeah, it it seems like, well,
31:40
why bother? You know, just get rid of him
31:43
that because obviously the the culture believes he's gone.
31:46
So, you know, why keep him around?
31:49
But, you know, maybe that'll come up as the reason for that.
31:53
You know, maybe that's a deal they came with Erica.
31:56
Yeah, but I mean, it's not like he was that famous that no, I
31:59
know that that there acquired a a a huge show.
32:04
No, right, right. Yeah, it's.
32:07
It's weird. That's why the thing's weird for
32:08
me. It's all weird.
32:10
It's very, very weird. It's a very weird topic because
32:14
I think primarily because of what you just said, that he
32:17
wasn't that famous. I mean, he wasn't that much of
32:20
an of, of any like a symbol for anything all that extreme.
32:27
I mean, he was an extreme. He's famous now.
32:31
Oh, he's famous now, that's for damn sure.
32:34
Yeah, you know, yeah. And I, I liked what he said too.
32:37
I didn't agree. You know, the, the whole line is
32:39
why I didn't agree with everything Charlie said.
32:41
Well, I don't, I mean, I don't agree personally with everything
32:44
that he said, 'cause I'm not, I'm not that hardcore of a
32:47
Christian. But, but the way he did it I
32:52
think was exemplary of the whole idea of free speech with people
32:57
that you disagree with. You know that a lot of the
33:01
people obviously that he talked to disagreed with him and they
33:03
debated him and he never lost his cookies.
33:07
He, he never preached anything negative toward those people.
33:11
He would just try to explain. He was really good at that.
33:13
I mean, he was, he was pretty brilliant with with how he could
33:17
put together the things he's learned.
33:19
And, and I mean, he could quote the Bible anywhere, which is
33:22
always astounding to me that anybody can do that.
33:26
But anyway, and there is, you know, just going back to that
33:31
picking your own truth. I mean there there certainly are
33:35
huge groups of people that choose to believe a particular
33:39
thing and they will box out anybody that believes anything
33:44
different. Like going in on, I mean, just
33:47
using the Charlie Kirk thing to continue with that example,
33:50
there are groups of people that I interface with quite a bit
33:54
that right from the start believe that, that he was alive
33:57
and that it, it was fake to that degree.
34:00
And I said, well, you know, I said the things that I'm saying
34:02
here. I said, well, why would they do
34:04
that? You know, why, why can't we just
34:06
stick with the, oh, I didn't even say it that way 'cause
34:08
that's me trying to get them, convey them or try to get them
34:11
to be on my side of it. And I didn't do that.
34:13
I just questioned the idea was dead and and I got I got hit
34:18
with, oh, you're falling for the psyop.
34:20
You're you're a weakling. You're you're just like all
34:23
these other people. I'm not going.
34:24
No, I'm agreeing with you. I'm just not agreeing with the
34:26
details. It's like, is that OK?
34:30
You know, I'm still I'm still a shrew.
34:33
I'm still on your side of the fence.
34:36
But just like what you were saying earlier, you know, well,
34:40
you, you don't really know you. You're a tourist.
34:44
You couldn't have gotten any information from China.
34:47
You know, that was true and that was reliable because you're just
34:51
a tourist or you're this. So you were put down for what
34:54
you were contributing to the, the conversation, you know, say,
34:59
well, we, we need to think about this, in my opinion, a little
35:02
bit more because I was there and, and people should go, oh,
35:06
that's interesting. Gee, you know, well, maybe it's
35:08
not as bad as we think or, or whatever, but they don't they
35:12
have to stick with what? What dogma that they've accepted
35:16
as their truth. Yeah, this is, this is a problem
35:26
that keeps coming up though with our side, quote UN quote,
35:32
because there isn't really an outside.
35:36
There's just a collection of people who agree on some things
35:39
and who disagree on other things.
35:43
And I and I, yeah. I would say our side is the
35:46
truth because we'll go to any side if that's where the truth
35:53
is to be found. Yes.
35:55
Does that, does that make sense? It's like what makes us what we
35:59
are is the truth and, and the left side or whatever you want
36:03
to call it, if they want to come over to the truth, then they're
36:08
on our side. And if we want to go over to the
36:10
truth that happens to be what they believe, we're not really
36:16
changing sides. Does that make sense?
36:20
Yeah, but I mean, why do you, why do you think the truth quite
36:27
UN quote is so important? It's a legit question if you
36:35
it's a. Really good question that.
36:37
I laugh because I can't tell you the number of people I know.
36:41
Well, actually, it's not that many.
36:42
The number of people I know that don't care if it's the truth or
36:46
not. They, they don't care.
36:48
They, they go, this is what I, this is how I want to conduct
36:52
myself. I want to conduct myself that I
36:54
believe that say masks are something we should wear just as
36:58
an example. And I will like say, well, what
37:01
happens if the masks don't do what we've been told they do,
37:05
you know, that they don't stop disease or this particular
37:08
disease from getting into your body?
37:10
What happens if we know that for a scientific fact, the truth,
37:15
They go, I don't care. I'm still going to wear one
37:18
because it's what the culture has decided is is the right
37:23
thing to do to show your solidarity, to show you care
37:27
about people and you're not selfish.
37:29
And I go, what happens if it was all fabricated just just to make
37:32
you comply? I don't care that, that that
37:36
doesn't matter. And I, I, I laughed when you
37:39
said that because for some reason for me, I, I can't do
37:46
that. I can't do that.
37:49
I, I have to follow the truth. And yeah, a lot of times I don't
37:54
know what that is. I admit to that.
37:57
So that's why I'm not dogmatic about it.
38:00
I admit that I may not know what the truth is.
38:02
And I'm open to you explaining to me what, what it is in this
38:06
particular situation, if you know more than I do.
38:10
But I, you know, I may fake it in order to like, keep from
38:14
getting shot in the head or something.
38:16
You know, one day if it comes to that, I may, I may like, Oh
38:20
yeah, I worship that guy too, you know, to keep from, from
38:23
whatever. But it's, it still matters to
38:25
me. And I think there's a lot of
38:27
people it doesn't. Sorry to say, hang on, I.
38:33
Feel bad for you buddy. Yuck.
38:38
So sorry about that. I've got a frog in my throat.
38:43
Prove it. Well, you can hear it.
38:47
Well, the actual frog though, are you being literal?
38:51
No, I think I've, I think I've got an old lesbian school
38:55
teacher in my throat. He's been smoking for 30 years.
39:02
The the whole question around why does the truth matter?
39:07
Actually, I think is is more profound than than what we
39:13
probably realized. Because if you just look around
39:14
you on a day-to-day basis, how many people actually care?
39:23
I don't think, I think people have been trained not to care.
39:28
I, I, yeah, I, I think, you know, and, and this is my
39:31
paranoia. I point to the agenda for
39:34
everything. I think naturally people care
39:38
more than they appear to Care now.
39:40
I think naturally they do. I, I do think there's a point
39:43
that people naturally go into denial, naturally will not heed
39:51
to the truth. But they may not say, I don't
39:54
think the truth matters. They may not go that far to
39:56
actually say that, but they act as if the truth doesn't matter
40:02
in order for self preservation and for a sense of well-being.
40:08
You know, you know, like the truth is when you go out on the
40:12
freeway in your car, you're more likely to die than you are if
40:16
you're sitting at home. But but people don't adhere to
40:21
that. They don't act to it.
40:25
They don't say, well, I'm never going to get in the car again.
40:28
So they deny that that truth and they don't really deny it.
40:33
It just doesn't have the impact on them.
40:36
So I, I think he got that going. But with what's going on now, as
40:41
long as you can get up in the morning and eat your breakfast
40:44
and, and go walk your dog or, you know, go to a restaurant now
40:49
and then or whatever, as long as you can do all those things,
40:52
then who cares if the government's corrupt or if they,
40:57
you know, tried to poke everybody with a vaccine or
41:00
their. But it was just a few a few
41:02
years ago, where it appeared that so many people did care.
41:08
I think people used to care, but I don't think they do anymore.
41:12
I I mean people wasn't. About golfing.
41:14
Yeah, they've just forgotten about the whole thing.
41:19
I, I think we're so trained to be consumers now and instant
41:24
gratification and you know, it just accommodating the senses,
41:31
you know, what makes me feel good, what makes me happy?
41:35
I think we're, we're anesthesized by that.
41:38
And you know, it didn't used to be that way at all.
41:40
I mean, people were anxious. I mean, just as one example,
41:44
people were young men were anxious to go to war and knowing
41:49
they could get killed, knowing that it would be miserable in
41:52
the trenches. I mean, they didn't know all of
41:54
it obviously, but knowing all those discomforts, but it wasn't
42:00
that important. I mean, people used to be big
42:02
explorers. They would go, I mean, look at
42:05
the thousands of people that went and worked on the, the
42:07
Panama Canal, you know, and they were pretty certain that five
42:12
out of eight of them were going to be dead from cholera or
42:15
whatever. It wasn't.
42:16
People were really into that. They, they were into exploration
42:20
and into risk taking. They don't have that anymore.
42:25
And I think that is tied into this true thing we're talking
42:30
about. Because as long as everything's
42:32
OK, as long as my senses are satisfied and I can still go to
42:36
the mall and buy shoes and whatever it might be, as long as
42:39
all that's still functioning and happening, then why should I
42:42
care about what's going on in the Middle East or what's going
42:45
on in Europe or. The reason why I was asking that
42:49
is because I'm trying to figure out what actually is the default
42:55
human position. Is the default position actually
43:00
not to care? Because it's a it's a matter of
43:03
self preservation. You can't change what's going on
43:05
in the Middle East. So you know why.
43:09
Why do you want to even care? Or or or or or is or is there an
43:15
attempt by people to deliberately switch off?
43:19
I don't know which which is the default.
43:22
That's a really good question. I, I think the default, I do
43:28
think unfortunately it's related to self preservation, that you
43:34
would care about things that you had control over, that there was
43:38
a locus of control and that you, the things you would care about
43:43
are things that could harm you. I think that's it, you know, to
43:47
go down to the really, you know, base level of it.
43:51
I think humans have gotten a lot more sophisticated than, than
43:55
cave people. You know, those early, early
43:58
cultures, you know, 50,000 years ago, however long ago they were.
44:03
I, I think it's become more sophisticated because we're
44:06
philosophical, we have religious morals, we have all kinds of
44:11
things that we would care about. And I, I do think from a
44:15
sophisticated level, those things are natural.
44:19
I think that humans naturally have empathy.
44:23
They naturally care about other humans and how they suffer.
44:26
They may not have a million years ago, but maybe they did.
44:30
I don't know. I wasn't there.
44:31
So I don't know. But I do think that that has
44:35
become considered, you know, consciousness of the heart as as
44:41
Swallow Dilubitz, who is a, a researcher in, in ancient for
44:45
ancient Egypt, actually a big part of his life, philosopher,
44:48
you know, blah, blah, blah. And he, he did, he, he claimed
44:53
that in ancient Egypt there was a distinction between
44:55
consciousness of the intellect and consciousness of the heart.
44:58
And that we were innately born with, with an awareness of what
45:04
was important, which was like a moral code, you know, which
45:07
included empathy and care and those things.
45:11
But I think the agenda has pushed us so far away from those
45:15
natural tendencies and, you know, we still have them.
45:18
I mean, everybody hates Trump. They care about him.
45:22
They care about all of the bad things he's doing, like sending
45:25
troops into Portland and stuff like that.
45:27
You know, they, they're, they're constantly, I mean, hate is a
45:30
really powerful care thing, you know, and, and that again, is
45:36
also obviously agenda induced or agenda created this, this split,
45:42
you know, we hate Trump or, and we like him.
45:46
And you know, there's that conflict.
45:48
So you, you can't say that, that people don't care about things
45:54
that, that don't directly affect them.
45:57
They, they care about the, the racism and the misogyny and the
46:04
whatever they want to label Trump with, they care about
46:07
that. So you go, well, why don't they
46:10
care about what's, what's going on in the world from a higher
46:14
level? You know, the whole
46:15
globalization, central government and that kind of
46:18
thing. They, they don't care about that
46:19
because it's not impacting them. Well, Trump isn't impacting them
46:22
either, but they still want to hate him.
46:27
It's it's yeah, it's complicated.
46:32
I look at Trump in a nuanced way.
46:37
Also, I like some of Trump and I dislike some of Trump.
46:43
I mean, it's let's not forget warp speed and let's not forget,
46:46
Oh yeah, Stargate. Yeah, yeah, Borlaws, the thing
46:51
he did with Pfizer recently. Yeah, yeah.
46:56
But I think it again, it all horseshoes to the idea of
47:03
nuance, and nuance also means more detail.
47:10
Yep. And that's, I think another
47:14
issue is that is that people are just lazy.
47:16
They don't want to get more detail.
47:19
Exactly right. Yeah.
47:21
And that again, you know, I, I keep pointing back to the same
47:24
thing. I'll turn over again.
47:26
But I think that's because we're now in a culture that is so
47:31
focused on consuming and satisfying senses that just like
47:37
somebody doesn't want to go travel somewhere and explore
47:41
something new in the world because it's not going to be
47:44
comfortable. It's not comfortable to know
47:46
things. It's not comfortable to read or,
47:50
you know, for a lot of people, not everybody, but for a lot of
47:52
people. And I, I agree with you if, if
47:55
this is what you're saying, I don't think you can have a, a
48:00
really true grip on truth unless you're informed.
48:06
You may feel it, OK, like we were talking about earlier, you
48:09
may feel it in your heart and, and just know, and I, I
48:14
shouldn't say may I, I think unless we've got that covered
48:17
up, which a lot of people do, we, we will have an insight, we
48:22
will have a gut feeling about what's right and what's wrong.
48:25
And that's what the ancient Egyptians said, that it's an
48:28
innate quality that we're born with.
48:30
I don't think it's 100% correct. And I think if it's covered up
48:33
with a bunch of garbage, which again would be propaganda and
48:37
whatever, it's very hard just to trust that and to see it.
48:42
But I think when you feel it, you're driven then to inform
48:45
yourself and you're driven to look for information.
48:50
Like going to China, that's a form of gathering information.
48:56
I would love to do that. If I were free to do it.
48:58
I, I would go to all the just like I said, I go to Moscow, I'd
49:01
go to Ukraine if I could. I mean, I would go to these
49:04
places because I want to see what's going on there.
49:07
I want to feel it. And I'll probably get killed
49:10
doing that. But still, that's something.
49:12
Well, I mean, I didn't see a social credit score of of any
49:19
significance. Do they have a social credit
49:22
score? Yeah, probably.
49:25
But it's no different to what you've got in your country.
49:28
Todd, if you if you go to criminal record, how easy is it
49:31
for you to get a bank loan? Oh, it's it's nearly impossible.
49:35
I have a lot of clients that have that.
49:37
You can't travel, you can't do anything.
49:40
OK, but that's a social credit score.
49:42
Yeah, I know. I agree.
49:45
It's, it's for a larger event, a crime that you're convicted of,
49:52
Then say something like, you know, buying too much meat or
49:55
something. But I mean that I have not seen.
49:58
Yeah, well, maybe. That doesn't exist.
50:00
Maybe that's all part of our side's propaganda because it's
50:04
working on both sides. There's no question there's
50:08
propaganda on both sides of this fence because it's, it's that
50:12
poking, that shaking the jar of the red and black ants, You
50:16
know, they all get shook. And so there's propaganda on
50:20
both sides of it to get them at each other.
50:24
That's, that makes it a lot harder because it, it seemed
50:27
like it used to be that most of the information coming from our
50:30
side was, was legitimate. I don't think it is anymore.
50:37
No, definitely not. Yeah, I mean that that's the
50:40
whole thing. It's it's the it's the fog of
50:43
propaganda war. You don't know what's true.
50:50
So I guess people have to watch you and you'll.
50:53
Tell the truth and no. And even then, ah, well, Jim,
50:56
you're just, you're just chilling for China that your CCP
50:59
agent. I mean, so it doesn't even
51:02
matter what I say, Todd, it doesn't matter.
51:04
No, I was I. Just I know, I know, I know, but
51:09
I'm, I'm not, I'm. Giving you.
51:10
I know, I know where. Yeah, there's there.
51:13
It's it's a good response. I just got me blasted.
51:17
Yeah, I mean, I literally had a conference I've had.
51:19
I've never had so much pushback. I thought 2020 for me was
51:25
serious pushback. I thought when I when I went
51:28
against all the COVID stuff, I thought that was the most
51:32
intense that I have experienced. I actually think that what I've
51:36
been experiencing regarding China is worse.
51:39
It it just seems to be an impossible nut to crack.
51:44
Yeah. I would think so.
51:46
From people who are who who claim to be truth seekers, who
51:50
are interested in what is true. They just go ah you're talking
51:53
rubbish. Nice, nice bit of propaganda.
51:58
Yeah, no, that would be really hard.
52:01
Well, and you know, I know you, you just said this too in this
52:05
hour, that maybe your experience isn't necessarily the indicator
52:13
of the truth. No, it's still narrowed down.
52:16
To you. It's better, absolutely.
52:20
It it puts it puts a a grey in it.
52:23
It it, it becomes the tension of the opposites you.
52:27
Know and it goes. It goes as you correctly said,
52:31
both ways. When I was in China, I, I was
52:33
chatting to some people about being from South Africa and I
52:38
asked the one, the one woman, are you going to come visit my
52:42
country? And his response was no, no, no,
52:45
I'm too scared. Yeah, right.
52:47
See, so now it's the same thing but in reverse.
52:51
And then so I said, what are you scared of?
52:53
What are you scared of? Oh, but you see, it's what I see
52:57
in the media. OK, so now we are we are now
53:01
talking about the same thing. Right.
53:05
Right. And so everybody is talking to
53:08
everybody with propaganda, propagandized lenses.
53:13
And, and So what happens ultimately is the more that
53:16
people don't travel and the more that people sit on YouTube, I
53:22
almost think the stupider they get.
53:29
Well, the information they're getting is not truthful, it's
53:34
biased. Or it is.
53:35
Or it is. It is, but it's infused.
53:38
Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's always a little
53:41
bit of truth to almost anything or people won't grasp it at all.
53:47
You know, like, again, you used to say you have to have a hook
53:49
to hang your hat on. You know, the hat, the hat could
53:52
all be nonsense, but the hook is not.
53:56
And, you know, I think that's the secret to propaganda.
54:01
I've never read. Have you ever read Bernie's book
54:03
Propaganda? Yeah, I've never read it either,
54:06
so. But you've obviously read a
54:08
whole bunch of Nietzsche. Nietzsche.
54:10
No, I don't read Nietzsche. Actually I'm my therapist is a
54:13
Nietzsche guy and he tells me everything to know.
54:18
Now I started reading, I've always, there's a couple of
54:21
times in my life I've started to read Nietzsche and I just can't
54:24
get past the 1st 5 pages. Why?
54:27
It's just, it's too dense. It's just so, you know, I really
54:31
should because I think he said a lot of things that that I would
54:36
resonate with. But I, I have the Cliff Notes,
54:40
you know, I'll, my therapist will tell me or I'll, I'll, you
54:44
know, read something online about what Nietzsche said.
54:49
But no, I'm not like Jordan Peterson.
54:52
Yeah. I don't think anybody should be
54:55
like, yeah, nobody should be like Jordan Peterson, but sorry,
54:57
go on. That's another weird thing going
55:00
on with him being in the hospital and almost dead.
55:03
There's something really fishy about that too.
55:07
I was, there's a whole, there's a whole bunch of those sort of a
55:11
list, a list, alternative types who are are taking a break.
55:15
I think Russell Brand's taking a break also.
55:18
Well, yeah, they attacked him, so, yeah.
55:22
And his daughter, Jordan's daughter saying that she thinks
55:25
it's some spiritual attack. Yeah, I saw that.
55:31
Did you read my Devil article by any chance?
55:35
No, I've got it. Yeah, in front of me.
55:36
But but I didn't, I didn't get to it.
55:39
Yeah, that's a, that's another interesting one to talk about
55:42
because it like literalizes this whole.
55:45
I've got it. Yeah, the devil made me do it,
55:46
that one. Yeah, but it's like, I mean it,
55:50
it reminds me, and I even mentioned this and it is David
55:53
Icke's position with the with the lizard people.
55:57
You know that. Oh, he's come out together with
55:58
that, eh? I don't, I don't know.
56:01
I don't know. I don't listen to him much
56:03
because that is I saw this week, because I know that was an old
56:06
idea of his I I. Don't think he's talking.
56:08
He's he's refreshed it. I saw this week he was talking.
56:11
Really. OK, he spoke this week about
56:14
shape shifters. OK, well, you know, I'm
56:20
beginning to wonder if that's true.
56:23
And there's there's something, you know, with all the alien
56:26
talk and everything. I mean, there's, there's
56:28
something there's something about and maybe This is why
56:32
people used to do this all the time.
56:34
They of course believed in the literal devil and you know, or
56:39
spirit possession or whatever in that literal sense.
56:42
And it answers a lot of questions, I'll say.
56:47
That, well, it's what it does, yes.
56:49
Yeah, yeah. When you push it into this
56:51
science paradigm, oh, well, that can be true.
56:54
Then you you miss a lot of the explanation that comes along
56:59
with it. And you know, science has been
57:03
was the science of psychology, if you can even call that a
57:05
science course. They want to really badly.
57:08
But the science of psychology has always had an issue with
57:13
multiple personality disorder, which it used to be called that.
57:17
Now it's called dissociative identity disorder, which is
57:21
something speaking to my therapist that he's an expert in
57:23
and has done a ton of experience, had a ton of
57:26
experience working with people that were possessed and with
57:31
evil spirits or whatever they might be.
57:33
Of course, back in the day, that's that's what the answer
57:35
was to any of that schizophrenia, psychosis of any
57:38
sort. It was a, an evil spirit.
57:41
And the psychology is a very hard time fitting those
57:46
experiences into a materialist paradigm because it's very
57:54
unexplainable. And if you just stick with the
57:58
spirit part, it's, it's easy to explain.
58:00
I mean, seriously, it just is 'cause it just fits everything
58:06
about it. If you just, if you just step
58:07
over that line and say, oh, well, this is a spirit or, or
58:11
like, I mean, what's interesting about Ike's stuff is that he, he
58:15
materializes it. And I don't know if that's
58:20
necessary, but this is where this is where I wrote the
58:22
article back, 'cause maybe it is, maybe there is something
58:26
material about it, but it's like taking something that could very
58:30
well be metaphysical, or at least that's how we thought of
58:34
it, and materializing it with the with shape shifters, because
58:39
shifting shape is a material function, you know, you
58:44
materially become something else and.
58:48
He was talking about this decades ago, actually.
58:51
Yeah, I know, I know. He started talking about it
58:54
decades. Ago and then I think people
58:58
probably just weren't ready for it so he left it alone until
59:02
now. Yeah, who knows?
59:07
But I mean, I think I think there probably is some truth to
59:14
a lot of what he says. Todd, this is the thing that I
59:16
don't want to say out loud, but I think there is a lot of truth.
59:18
I like David. I've interviewed him three times
59:21
and. Oh, have you really?
59:22
Oh. Yeah.
59:23
And I'm actually, I'd like to invite him back, now that I
59:26
think about it. It's just a very difficult
59:29
interview. He doesn't, yeah.
59:31
He doesn't really answer questions.
59:33
You just, you just say hello and then just sit back.
59:36
And yeah. But I think, I think he is.
59:43
I think he's the real deal. I think he is legit.
59:46
He has spent decades being slaughtered and attacked and
59:53
banned and censored, you know, while at the same time you've
59:57
got Alex, who is having a great time.
1:00:00
And it certainly does make you wonder.
1:00:01
Yeah, yeah, he's had. I mean, Alex has had a few
1:00:05
moments where they've come off from Sandy Hook, for example,
1:00:09
and I think 911, he was the first to to go for the
1:00:13
alternative angle. On of of any broadcaster, but he
1:00:16
still enjoys way too much sort of mainstream popularity.
1:00:27
Yeah, well, we're hearing that a lot too with any of these people
1:00:31
that you know are considered traitors or limited hangout.
1:00:37
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think calling him a
1:00:40
traitor, Alex says, I think might be a bridge too far.
1:00:45
But I mean, he is very, very theatrical.
1:00:48
And I mean, I don't really take much of what he says seriously,
1:00:51
to be honest, but he is, he is entertaining.
1:00:56
Yeah. Whereas whereas whereas David,
1:00:58
yes, Trump, Trump is entertaining, but, but but
1:01:00
David, I think has a huge amount of of depth.
1:01:05
Yeah, I I would agree. Yeah, Yeah.
1:01:09
Well, yeah. Yeah, sorry.
1:01:11
Let's come in for a landing. Todd.
1:01:14
Let's let's quickly promote your sub stack.
1:01:18
OK, And that's shrew view. Shrew is a little animal, all
1:01:22
one word, www.shrewviews.com. I write two articles a week.
1:01:28
There's over 500 of them online there.
1:01:31
And I have a book out called the View of the Shrew and it's not
1:01:37
available on Amazon. Sorry that it's Amazon, but
1:01:40
that's where it is. And come over and join us.
1:01:45
I mean, we, we have a great community, a lot of, lot of talk
1:01:47
back and forth, you know, with comments and things.
1:01:50
So it's everybody seems to like it and that's why I keep doing
1:01:55
it. So it's, it's a, it's a fun
1:01:58
place or interesting at least place to be.
1:02:00
So check it out. It's such a small animal, a
1:02:03
shrew. I know that's what's great about
1:02:05
him, though. They'll like, attack a dog.
1:02:08
They'll like jump and bite his nose and jump up like 10 feet
1:02:12
off the small thing, like 3 feet off the ground.
1:02:15
Yeah, that's, that's, you know, my sister and I came up with the
1:02:18
shrew thing just because I was talking about sheep all the
1:02:20
time, which I'll probably back off of a little bit because I've
1:02:23
gotten so much Flack for it. But she said we got to come up
1:02:26
with another animal and we were, for some reason we were talking
1:02:30
about shrews, the old 50s movie, The Killer Shrews and whatever.
1:02:35
And I said, well, why not shrews?
1:02:36
It's a short word like sheep and, but does it really
1:02:40
symbolize our movement? And it does actually, because
1:02:44
the shrew's very small but very vicious and blah, blah, blah.
1:02:49
So stuck. All right, Todd, my throat is
1:02:53
dry. I'm going to take care of
1:02:56
yourself. Thank you for joining me in the
1:02:58
trenches. Thank you for having me.
1:03:00
Love, love to be here. Always enjoy.