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Empower U - Bob Jewell - Conceal / Carry Laws · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Eight sixteens. Who do you have carcy De Talks Dation.
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  Speaker 1: Tonight's the night not only you learn about FRAUDA Minnesota,
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  Speaker 1: but you also learn about all the changes that have
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  Speaker 1: been ongoing lately in insofar as firearms and constitutional carry.
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  Speaker 1: And my next guest, Bob Jewell, is going to be
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  Speaker 1: explaining to you empower Youoamerica dot Org being at seven PM.
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  Speaker 1: A lot has changed since Ohio first enacted constitution or
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  Speaker 1: concealed carry in twenty on two thousand and has it
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  Speaker 1: been that long?
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  Speaker 2: Anyway?
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  Speaker 1: Bob Jewel knows everything there is no about the law.
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  Speaker 1: Bob a registered Arrange Master, Advanced Certified Handgun Instructor, a
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  Speaker 1: graduate of the FBI Citizens Academy, graduate of the Law
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  Speaker 1: of Self Defense Instructor Program, annually participates in firearm training
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  Speaker 1: from top national instructors and has taught himself over six
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  Speaker 1: hundred hours of concealed carrying Advanced Concealed Carry classes. Also
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  Speaker 1: influential in writing the two Ohio self defense laws and
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  Speaker 1: authored numerous articles on tactical shooting self defense for national publications.
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  Speaker 1: He also happened to be leader of his churches safety team.
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  Speaker 1: Something you might want a factor into the equation. Bob Jewel,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Morning Show. It's great to have you
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  Speaker 1: on today.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, thanks, Brian, what an honor.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's distinctly my honor. I'm a fan of firearms.
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  Speaker 1: It's a hobby of mine. I liked plinking. I went
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  Speaker 1: out to twenty two to three this week with a
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  Speaker 1: friend and fired off about four hundred rounds and really
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  Speaker 1: enjoyed myself. And I've been trying to hone my skills
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  Speaker 1: now for a long time. Can never be too good,
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  Speaker 1: but you need to stay on top of the law.
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  Speaker 1: And as you point out, the landscape has now changed.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty nine states, how have constitutional carrying, Bob. That just
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  Speaker 1: means the Second Amendment means what it says, you're allowed
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  Speaker 1: to carry and protect yourself, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Amen.
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  Speaker 3: It's interesting to look back at Ohio and just see
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  Speaker 3: how our laws evolved in those what last twenty twenty
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  Speaker 3: one years since we got the governor to sign it
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  Speaker 3: in two thousand and four.
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  Speaker 1: And you'd think that wouldn't have been a difficult thing
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  Speaker 1: considering we do have a Second Amendment. Although it took
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  Speaker 1: a lot of effort on the parts of many national
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  Speaker 1: gun organizations to come to this realization, I feel a
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  Speaker 1: lot more comfortable. And I know so many people that
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  Speaker 1: own firearms, and they are not They're the least inclined
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  Speaker 1: people to do anything bad with the fireman. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: they're the best trained folks out there. People who purchase
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  Speaker 1: and acquire handguns for lawful purposes. You don't have to
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  Speaker 1: worry about those folks, do you, Bob.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'd like to think so.
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  Speaker 3: But over the last years, I've seen some very law
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  Speaker 3: abiting people end up in some serious legal trouble because
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  Speaker 3: of their lack of understanding of the law.
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  Speaker 2: Associated with it.
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  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: I always felt like, Yeah, I've always felt like, when I.
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  Speaker 3: Teach a class, it's just not important to teach shooting.
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  Speaker 3: It's important to teach what I call the rules in
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  Speaker 3: the engagement that go along with having that gun, and
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  Speaker 3: the responsibility and the right that comes with the Second Amendment.
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  Speaker 3: So I think, you know, you can be pro Secondmendment,
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  Speaker 3: but you also need to understand the laws that go
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  Speaker 3: along with it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's with much dismay anytime I read an
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  Speaker 1: article about someone who goes out the front door of
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  Speaker 1: their home and starts squeezing off rounds at somebody who's
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  Speaker 1: on their property or trying to take their bicycle from them. Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: that does not allow for the use of deadly force.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about that one, because people quite offer and
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  Speaker 1: are confused, and I know you're going to go into
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  Speaker 1: detail about this tonight beginning at seven pm. But the
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  Speaker 1: use of actual deadly force, I've been I've been through
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  Speaker 1: it so many times on the on the Morning show
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  Speaker 1: that I'm blow in the face. But let's review, Bob
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  Speaker 1: Joel the appropriate use of deadly force.
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  Speaker 3: Well, according to Ohio law and most laws across the country,
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  Speaker 3: you have to have a reasonable belief of an imminent
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  Speaker 3: fear of death or serious bodily harm. That's that's pretty
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  Speaker 3: solid across all fifty states. So that's going to be
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  Speaker 3: the first thing. And there's a couple of keywords in there.
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  Speaker 1: Reasonable I know, I know, that's a great law. A
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  Speaker 1: great word, which is what you know from your legal
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  Speaker 1: background is could go anywhere.
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  Speaker 3: The other one, obviously, is the word imminent, meaning it's
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  Speaker 3: coming down right now, it's going to happen right now.
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  Speaker 1: You know, And it's funny like an eminent threat from Iran. Yeah, sorry, you.
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  Speaker 2: Go, no, No, I appreciate that the you know.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's funny you as a citizen, web a split
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  Speaker 3: second to make that decision, I know, But once it
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  Speaker 3: gets into the legal system, they'll take hours, days, months,
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  Speaker 3: juries could take year, you know, months and days and
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  Speaker 3: hours to revisit your decision that happened in a split second.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that breakdown up. What would you what would
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  Speaker 1: a reasonable person be thinking at that moment in time
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  Speaker 1: is the standard by which you will be judged. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure there are a lot of people that might
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  Speaker 1: want to twist that with twenty twenty hindsight.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and not to mention the video that will be available.
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  Speaker 2: Good point, good point.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, now go ahead, go ahead, No, you have the floor, Bob,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: One of the things that was really interesting when I
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  Speaker 3: was putting this together was to go back and look
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  Speaker 3: at the history of how we got concealed carry in Ohio.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think a lot of people know that nineteen
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  Speaker 3: seventy four we actually got our first law pass It
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  Speaker 3: was a very weak law, but it was passed. And
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  Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety six a bill was passed through the
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  Speaker 3: House and the Senate, but Governor Voinovitch said he wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: sign it, so we could have had concealed carry as
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  Speaker 3: early as nineteen ninety six, but it took on a
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  Speaker 3: High Supreme Court ruling in twenty three that, ironically enough,
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  Speaker 3: was really predicated on a twenty nine year old pizza
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  Speaker 3: delivery driver getting pulled over by Hamilton County with a
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  Speaker 3: concealed handgun. Under the nineteen seventy four law, he had
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  Speaker 3: a legitimate reason he'd been robbed before, he was law abiding,
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  Speaker 3: so according to that law he could have carried, but
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  Speaker 3: instead he was arrested. That case went to court eventually
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  Speaker 3: became what was called Klein versus Lease Simon Lease that
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  Speaker 3: went through the House Supreme Court YEP, and the High
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  Speaker 3: Supreme Court basically said to the legislature, you need to
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  Speaker 3: fix this nineteen seventy four law.
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  Speaker 2: It's not clear.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what brought us up to the two thousand
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  Speaker 3: and four law that Bobbinger.
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  Speaker 1: Under that original law, did you have to fall into
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  Speaker 1: like one of three specific categories to justify having a
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  Speaker 1: concealed carry weapon?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you had to feel like there was a legitimate
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  Speaker 3: threat that my understanding is this Piezza driver had been
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  Speaker 3: robbed before. Okay, obviously you had to be law abiding
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  Speaker 3: as well. But the problem is it just left too
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  Speaker 3: much up to the police that the way that law
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  Speaker 3: is written into the courts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and who's to say when you might run into
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  Speaker 1: a threat where you are reasonably anticipating grievous bodily harm
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  Speaker 1: or death. You never know when that moment in time
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  Speaker 1: is gonna come. I personally experience that. I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 1: go through the story again, but I had to pull
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  Speaker 1: out my concealed carry firearm because I thought a guy
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  Speaker 1: was gonna literally kill me because he had been trying
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  Speaker 1: to kill me as we drove up I seventy one,
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  Speaker 1: and I've talked to law enforcement about that. I had
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  Speaker 1: absolutely every right to pull that firearm out to protect
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  Speaker 1: myself because, Man, I thought that guy was gonna go
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  Speaker 1: rogue on me at that moment in time. Did I
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  Speaker 1: think that was gonna happen? Had I ever needed a
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  Speaker 1: firearm before that moment in time? No, but be prepared.
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  Speaker 1: That's why you need to carry one. Now, what is
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  Speaker 1: one of the bigger changes in the law that you're
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  Speaker 1: going to be talking about tonight. That's a newer development
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  Speaker 1: that even my friends out there that are experienced with
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  Speaker 1: firearms and maybe firearms law might not know about, Bob, Right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned one. In twenty twenty two we went
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  Speaker 3: to permitless carry. But I think Brian, a real significant
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  Speaker 3: one was in twenty eighteen, we shifted the burden of
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  Speaker 3: proof from the defendant in a self defense case over
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  Speaker 3: to the prosecutor, and Ohio was the last state to
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  Speaker 3: do that.
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  Speaker 2: So if you had used your.
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  Speaker 3: Handgun in Ohio up to that point, you'd have the
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  Speaker 3: burden of proof in the courtroom that your self defense
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  Speaker 3: was justified, and that law was changed in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 3: eighteen to shift that over to the prosecutors. Now you
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  Speaker 3: can imagine prosecutors didn't like that shit, but that's pretty significant.
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  Speaker 3: I would hope that that nobody ever has to find
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  Speaker 3: themselves in work justifying their use of self defense. But
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  Speaker 3: if you are I want to prosecute, to have that
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  Speaker 3: burden a proof.
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  Speaker 1: As not the defendant as well, they should you're basically
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  Speaker 1: accusing you of a crime. The burden always rests with
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  Speaker 1: the prosecutor's office on that, and I find it shocking
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  Speaker 1: to believe that they didn't always have that obligation. Bob
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  Speaker 1: jul oh.
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  Speaker 3: And we were by by far the last state to
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  Speaker 3: do that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll take progress whenever I can get it, even
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  Speaker 1: if it's really slow. Bob, And I want to thank
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  Speaker 1: you on behalf of all my second Amendment, appreciating of
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  Speaker 1: friends out there and listening audience for all the work
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  Speaker 1: that you have done over the years to achieve this
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  Speaker 1: great status we have in Ohio. And real quick, I
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  Speaker 1: know you're going to teach about self defense insurance coverage
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  Speaker 1: and whether that's needed. You talk about laws involving traveling
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  Speaker 1: with a handgun, information associated with concealed carrying, places of worship,
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  Speaker 1: the whole gamut tonight, seven pm and power Youoamerica dot Org. Bob,
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  Speaker 1: really quickly before we part company, constitutional carry, this whole
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  Speaker 1: concept of nationwide reciprocity. Do you see that going through
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  Speaker 1: on a federal level.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good thought, Brian, but it's it's.
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  Speaker 1: A long way away, a long way away, and I
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  Speaker 1: got a list.
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  Speaker 2: Don't going back.
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  Speaker 1: We have a second Amendment, you know, should it be
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  Speaker 1: this difficult, Bob? I mean seriously, right, Bob, Good luck
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  Speaker 1: tonight with the seminar. I will strongly encourage anyone who
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  Speaker 1: is maybe even interested in purchasing a firearm for the
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  Speaker 1: first time the great foundation for firearm ownership, and of
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  Speaker 1: course everyone who owns one is going to help get
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  Speaker 1: a lot of benefit from Bob Jewel's seminar tonight and
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  Speaker 1: power you America dot org. Log in from home or
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  Speaker 1: show up at three hundred Great Oaks Drive and experience
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  Speaker 1: it live in person. Bob again, thank you for your
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  Speaker 1: time this morning, and thanks for what you continue to
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  Speaker 1: do in the name of the Second Amendment. Thank you, Brian,
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  Speaker 1: thank you eight twenty six. Right now, it's that time
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  Speaker 1: I heard media