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Chuck in the Morning 9/22 H3: Gene Steratore, O.P.Q. & Seahawks Greatness · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: It's time for Chuck in the Morning's weekly visit with
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  Speaker 1: former NFL official Gene Sterritore. Brought to you by the
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  Speaker 1: Emerald Queen Casino, the entertainment capital of the Northwest. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the official perspective of the NFL. Here's Chuck in the
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  Speaker 1: Morning with Gene Sterritore.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's one of our favorite times of the week.
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  Speaker 3: We check in with CBS rules analysts, and for our money,
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  Speaker 3: the greatest NFL official to ever live. He also happens
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  Speaker 3: to be one of the kindest people. I even bugged
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  Speaker 3: him a couple times while he was trying to enjoy
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  Speaker 3: his home life last night, and he didn't once say,
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  Speaker 3: buzz off, bozo. Not once.
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  Speaker 2: Gene Steratore is with us. Good morning, sir.
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  Speaker 4: Good morning, Chuck.
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  Speaker 2: We're working at it. It's early season. We'll get in
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  Speaker 2: a rhythm here.
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  Speaker 4: You know, patience.
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  Speaker 2: Patience.
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  Speaker 3: And you know what? I'm going to start with the
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  Speaker 3: thing that I bugged you with last night.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I've said a couple of things that I thought were
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  Speaker 3: hyper-interesting this morning, and maybe they weren't. So let's go
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  Speaker 3: ahead and add a third log to that fire.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I'm watching the Monday night game last night and there
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  Speaker 3: was a terrific play made by one of the defenders
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  Speaker 3: for the losing team, the Giants. He comes in and
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  Speaker 3: he just hauls off and punches the football and knocks
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  Speaker 3: it out of the arms of Kyron Williams of the
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  Speaker 3: Rams and then recovers the ball. And I'm seeing this
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  Speaker 3: a lot so far this football season. This just rare back.
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  Speaker 3: They call it the peanut punch, I think, from Peanut
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  Speaker 3: Tillman from the Bears. But, I mean, guys are just
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  Speaker 3: Rocky Balboa-ing this thing. They are just hauling off and
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  Speaker 3: just punching at that ball. And it struck me. As
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  Speaker 3: I sent you in the text, like, OK, if you
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  Speaker 3: hit the ball, that's a punch out forced fumble. If
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  Speaker 3: you don't, you're really just throwing a punch. And at
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  Speaker 3: that point, we're just throwing violent punches out on the field.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm wondering if that's something that's caught the eyes
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  Speaker 3: of the NFL or of officials, how you officiate that.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody was trying to make a football play. We're calling
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  Speaker 3: it a football play. But if that football play fails,
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  Speaker 3: it's one of the most violent, unacceptable things that we
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  Speaker 3: have in the sport. So how do you see that?
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  Speaker 3: How do you think that that gets refereed going forward?
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  Speaker 4: You're 100% right, Chuck. I mean, it is the peanut
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  Speaker 4: Tillman play because he was the one that kind of
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  Speaker 4: originated or at least gained traction. And quite frankly, like
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  Speaker 4: most things in the NFL, if there's a new technique
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  Speaker 4: and it proves to be advantageous to some extent, it's.
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  Speaker 2: A copycat league, right?
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  Speaker 4: So not only do they copycat the behavior, then they
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  Speaker 4: start to refine it. And I think last night's example
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  Speaker 4: was was a really.
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  Speaker 2: A great, you know, shot. It was a good punch.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it was a boxing. Yeah. I mean, it
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  Speaker 4: was a really good direct technique, straightforward punch, hit the
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  Speaker 4: ball perfectly.
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  Speaker 2: And as you said, the result was it.
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  Speaker 4: Was a turnover and a recovery. So the officiating department
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  Speaker 4: has been on top of this and watching it and naturally,
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  Speaker 4: you know, working through the parameters on how to officiate
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  Speaker 4: this properly, at least in.
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  Speaker 2: Their eyes and having discussions.
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  Speaker 4: So the basic premise of it at this point is
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  Speaker 4: not a yes, it's an acceptable technique. And provided that
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  Speaker 4: that player swings and makes contact with the football, it's
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  Speaker 4: illegal play without foul. Now, if they swing, they miss
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  Speaker 4: the ball just barely, graze the other player a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: I can see them leaving.
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  Speaker 4: That gray area, which officials like to have a little
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  Speaker 4: bit to use their judgment in.
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  Speaker 2: And not call that illegal. But if you see a
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  Speaker 2: haymaker thrown.
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  Speaker 4: And it misses the ball completely, we had one actually
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  Speaker 4: in a college game that we covered this past weekend
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  Speaker 4: where a player did swing, miss, hit the quarterback in
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  Speaker 4: the helmet, caused him to be taken out of the game.
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  Speaker 4: I think those are personal fouls and should be ruled
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  Speaker 4: that way.
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  Speaker 2: The NFL is in that same area.
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  Speaker 4: So a swing and a miss, not only a straight three.
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  Speaker 4: If it's a heavy swing and a miss on a player,
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  Speaker 4: it's going to be a foul, and it'll.
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  Speaker 2: Be a foul for unnecessary roughness.
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  Speaker 4: And then the one little extra caveat, let's say a player.
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  Speaker 2: Is down on the ground but not down.
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  Speaker 4: By contact yet, and now a defender comes in and
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  Speaker 4: attempts to punch the football out of that player's possession
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  Speaker 4: while he lays on the ground and only makes contact
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  Speaker 4: with the ball, really never technically touches the player who's down.
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  Speaker 4: Just hitting that football in those situations will create a
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  Speaker 4: dead ball. So they will look at punching the ball
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  Speaker 4: and just hitting the ball on a player who's down
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  Speaker 4: as a touchdown by contact play and.
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  Speaker 2: Not a fumble to alleviate injury.
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  Speaker 4: You know, that player laying there without being touched and
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  Speaker 4: then guys just coming in and, you know, and wailing.
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  Speaker 2: On the ball. So they already are a little ahead
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  Speaker 2: of it.
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  Speaker 4: And that really is how they would work it.
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  Speaker 3: So it's on the radar. Yeah, they're way ahead of it.
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  Speaker 3: It's on the radar.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 4: Very good.
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  Speaker 2: Very good.
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  Speaker 3: Normally we start when we get to specific calls with
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  Speaker 3: something from the Seahawks game, but I didn't really see
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  Speaker 3: anything other than maybe a few cop-outs on offsetting penalties.
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  Speaker 3: I think we had like three of them on Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing really rose to the level of being controversial. I'm
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  Speaker 3: just curious, Gene, should referees be given like gold patches
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  Speaker 3: when they survive a game without becoming subjects on the Internet?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, listen, any time you can get through a contest
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  Speaker 4: on a Sunday or any other NFL there, quite frankly,
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  Speaker 4: any big time football game and you're completely really unnoticed
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  Speaker 4: or we gosh, we scrub this and we really don't
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  Speaker 4: have anything really overly critical to say. People say refs
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  Speaker 4: don't win, refs win. And this is when they win.
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  Speaker 2: Now, the gold patch kind of thing.
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  Speaker 4: And no, we don't go that far because.
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  Speaker 2: Quite honestly, in the referee's world.
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  Speaker 4: The expectation is to do what hopefully I think they
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  Speaker 4: did in Seattle. And that means they got all of
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  Speaker 4: the big stuff right. Yes, if we look at the film,
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  Speaker 4: there's a couple of small plays in there and we'll
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  Speaker 4: learn from those. But it wasn't impactful. And it was
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  Speaker 4: another day. And you just really did your job right.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the standard is to do what I hope.
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  Speaker 2: That these officials did. And it sounds like they.
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  Speaker 4: Did do in the Seattle game this last week. And
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  Speaker 4: that's not be part of the game.
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  Speaker 2: And take care of things.
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  Speaker 4: The offsetting situations, if they're dead ball personal foul situations,
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  Speaker 4: the NFL always leans to try to get the first
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  Speaker 4: instigator and only penalize that person unless the act was
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  Speaker 4: simultaneous or unless you now have a dead ball kind
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  Speaker 4: of personal foul on sportsman-like play. And then you have
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  Speaker 4: a pause and then a second act. Then you get
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  Speaker 4: put in the box where you quite honestly more than
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  Speaker 4: likely have to offset it But philosophy as a deterrent,
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  Speaker 4: the messaging is let's get this first one. And then
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  Speaker 4: if it's a good UNS and sportsman like or a
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  Speaker 4: good personal foul lead hit and someone reacts and mushes you,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not penalizing the mush. I'm just penalizing you for
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  Speaker 4: instigating it because their thought is, and I agree with it,
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  Speaker 4: that if we get one, it'll slow the masses down
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  Speaker 4: from wanting to do it. But if we offset them
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  Speaker 4: and there's kind of like no blood, no foul, it
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  Speaker 4: could promote it.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 4: Offsets are not something you like to have on the field,
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  Speaker 4: but sometimes they do occur.
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  Speaker 3: I like the idea of helmet stickers maybe for the refs,
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  Speaker 3: but of course that will require you all to wear helmets. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: We can give you a little embroidered patch on your,
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  Speaker 4: but it'd be great. Like you'd get to like week.
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  Speaker 2: 18 and you know, half.
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  Speaker 4: Of your hat is covered.
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  Speaker 2: In all of these little, little emblems or something.
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  Speaker 4: You'd be like, dude, I think this guy's pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: We're not going to argue today. This guy's one of
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  Speaker 3: the best.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And each one should signify a certain correct kind of ruling.
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  Speaker 4: Like you're really good on this play. So because You
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  Speaker 4: can read the stitching.
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  Speaker 2: And go, this guy's really good on holding.
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  Speaker 4: Look, he got eight patches on his head that says
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  Speaker 4: he got all the holdings right.
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  Speaker 3: Works for the Boy Scouts.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Why couldn't it? Gene's territory is with us. CBS rules
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  Speaker 3: analyst and longtime NFL official.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 3: We do have a couple of controversial calls, and they
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  Speaker 3: were very controversial over the weekend. I'm going to go
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  Speaker 3: to the Commanders Cowboys third quarter. Marcus Mariota to Damari Brown.
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  Speaker 3: It was a touchdown in the near left corner of
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  Speaker 3: the end zone. It looked like he had a knee down,
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  Speaker 3: and John Madden used to tell us, one knee equals
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  Speaker 3: two feet, bang. So why was that not a touchdown?
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  Speaker 3: Because they went to the review, and they overturned it,
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  Speaker 3: if I'm not mistaken. Why was that not a touchdown
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  Speaker 3: for the Commanders? I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I think it is a touchdown. In my humble opinion,
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  Speaker 2: I think that it was a touchdown. I think as
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  Speaker 2: we watched.
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  Speaker 4: That play, there was a slight bobble on the front
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  Speaker 4: end of that possession of the pass. They're starting to
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  Speaker 4: fall to the ground. Ball's kind of not secure at
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  Speaker 4: that moment. Initial contact with the pass or the receiver's hands.
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  Speaker 4: But as he starts to fall, his left knee, as
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  Speaker 4: you said, is on the field in the end zone.
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  Speaker 2: Down, yes. One knee equals two feet.
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  Speaker 4: And then you see the finalization of what I thought
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  Speaker 4: was possession.
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  Speaker 2: This is, in my.
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  Speaker 4: Opinion, where we get a little bit too far sometimes
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  Speaker 4: in our dissection and replay rulings, where we slow this
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  Speaker 4: down a little in this slight bobble that may have
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  Speaker 4: occurred as he was cradling that finality of what I
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  Speaker 4: thought was possession. Stowe's this little minor bobble, which slowed
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  Speaker 4: down and too slow of a speed, really looks like
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  Speaker 4: he's not controlling the football. That's the window, I think,
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  Speaker 4: where you, if you're really, if you're doing replay, and again, in.
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  Speaker 2: My opinion, correct.
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  Speaker 4: We don't slow that little element so much to make
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  Speaker 4: it look like.
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  Speaker 2: That there's no possession there.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, balls can move and players can still be possessing them.
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  Speaker 4: And I thought this was a classic example. I had
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  Speaker 4: one of those in Super Bowl 52 with a Philadelphia player, Clement,
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  Speaker 4: in the back of the end zone where the football
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  Speaker 4: was moving a little, but he was controlling that movement.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it was in his possession to me.
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  Speaker 4: And there's a little window of subjectivity there, but.
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  Speaker 2: I think if we keep those things.
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  Speaker 4: Only about 20% slow in real-time speed... Everybody in the
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  Speaker 4: house looks and.
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  Speaker 2: Goes, he had that football.
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  Speaker 3: Great.
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  Speaker 2: And that knees down. That's a touchdown. In my opinion,
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  Speaker 2: that's a score and not an incomplete pass.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And the Internet went crazy. Just from a personal standpoint,
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  Speaker 3: how much does it hurt you to read headlines like
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  Speaker 3: the league is rigged? I mean, I can't even believe anybody.
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  Speaker 3: would watch sports if they thought it was rigged to
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  Speaker 3: me that's absurd but it just happens after every single
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  Speaker 3: one of these calls how much does that just personally
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  Speaker 3: do you consider a personal affront to yourself.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I think initially it bothered me early in
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  Speaker 4: my career a little, right? Because quite frankly, when you
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  Speaker 4: do do this, you do it for these reasons that
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  Speaker 4: are really high-level reasons and they're personal reasons. The first
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  Speaker 4: reason I did it naturally is I love the game,
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  Speaker 4: but I also love the difficulty of it. I liked
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  Speaker 4: putting myself in very uncomfortable situations that weren't scripted where.
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  Speaker 2: Human reaction had to be at its utmost, right?
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  Speaker 4: You're an air traffic controller, basically, in some ways, where
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  Speaker 4: the decisions are split second. They're not life-changing in most aspects,
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  Speaker 4: but they're game-changing, and they happen in a blink of
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  Speaker 4: an eye. You understand when you do this and you
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  Speaker 4: live there that if you think that I'm good enough
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  Speaker 4: to be in this madness with the anxiety and pressure
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  Speaker 4: on me to get these split-second decisions correct, knowing I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to be critiqued in this frame-by-frame, couch-potato world of,
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  Speaker 4: how are you that bad? And then you think you
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  Speaker 4: can put into that that I'm really that good that
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  Speaker 4: I can tweak this game in the instant of this
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  Speaker 4: madness to spin one way or the other.
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  Speaker 2: It became noise very quickly.
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  Speaker 4: That is still noise and should always be treated that way.
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  Speaker 2: The games are so fast.
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  Speaker 4: The players are so, so hard. I never want to
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  Speaker 4: lose that feeling that I had years back now when
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  Speaker 4: I was down there to know how screwed in you
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  Speaker 4: had to be To hopefully get 97% of these right
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  Speaker 4: and hope that the 3% wasn't a game changer because
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  Speaker 4: it's a human error that's going to fall at points.
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  Speaker 4: But to hear this madness about, you know, our country's
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  Speaker 4: off the rails, guys. You know, we're looking for a
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  Speaker 4: conspiracy around every solution here. And the problem with it
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  Speaker 4: is if you find one. All you need is to
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  Speaker 4: find one and say, look, here's a conspiracy theory. And
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  Speaker 4: let me show you the reason why, because this is
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  Speaker 4: the truth and this is what they did. It kind
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  Speaker 4: of opens Pandora's box that every other one's validated, right?
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  Speaker 2: So it's the world we live in.
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  Speaker 4: Again, it's that badge of honor officials wear because it's
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  Speaker 4: the integrity of the game, the difficulty of it, the
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  Speaker 4: personal challenges of it. And quite frankly, that small percentage
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  Speaker 4: that you're part of it, which is a very large
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  Speaker 4: percentage for the people that are playing it. All the
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  Speaker 4: rest of it just becomes noise. And you continue to
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  Speaker 4: love what you do in spite of it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there was a second one that rose all of
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  Speaker 3: that anger as well. And that was in the Ravens
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  Speaker 3: Saints game, a goal line stand in the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 3: I think you were on this game. if memory serves me,
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  Speaker 3: but a big mass of humanity on a fourth and
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  Speaker 3: goal push. They called it a touchdown, and my guess
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  Speaker 3: is that they just couldn't see in all that mass
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  Speaker 3: of humanity a way to overturn it. How did you
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  Speaker 3: see that play that had Ravens fans so angry Sunday?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it is a play that starts in the
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  Speaker 4: beginning with one of the little axioms that we've learned
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  Speaker 4: through the years when replay started and now has grown,
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  Speaker 4: and that is the importance of the ruling on the field.
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  Speaker 4: And at times that shows up. Replay can't fix everything, right?
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  Speaker 4: So the ruling on the field... in very, in less instances,
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  Speaker 4: does play. This is that play. And I think the
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  Speaker 4: bigger question in the play is, and you don't really like,
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  Speaker 4: I never like questioning officials that make rulings in real
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  Speaker 4: time on the field because their angle, and angles are everything,
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  Speaker 4: is unique. It's very rare that you have a camera
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  Speaker 4: on an official's head or right behind that official where
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  Speaker 4: you can see exactly what they're seeing. But this play
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  Speaker 4: in its totality and the majority of times when this
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  Speaker 4: play occurs, what we are used to seeing and for
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  Speaker 4: the right reasons are officials coming in from either sideline
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  Speaker 4: pretty fast and hard into this rugby pile, right? Because
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  Speaker 4: they have never seen the football break the plane.
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  Speaker 2: So there is no signal.
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  Speaker 4: The rhythm we're all used to for the right reasons
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  Speaker 4: and naturally and officiating the same. If you don't see
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  Speaker 4: the ball break the plane, you can't make a ruling
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  Speaker 4: until you see the ball break. Now, this play, this
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  Speaker 4: official in the first two or three steps is starting
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  Speaker 4: to come in. He puts his hands up rather quickly,
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  Speaker 4: giving everybody the impression and himself, naturally, that I saw
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  Speaker 4: the ball break the plane of the goal line. That's
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  Speaker 4: why I signaled touchdown. And again, it's very difficult to
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  Speaker 4: question that, right? Because you're not living there exactly where
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  Speaker 4: they are. But as I watched the play unfold and then, naturally,
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  Speaker 4: FEC three or four replays, You're looking at this play thinking,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it's humanly possible that the ball could
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  Speaker 4: have ever gotten to the goal line. But you went
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  Speaker 4: into it with a signal of a touchdown. That play
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  Speaker 4: normally is, again, it's pulling.
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  Speaker 2: Bodies off fouls. And eventually there's the ball.
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  Speaker 4: And we're, excuse me, wherever the ball sits at that point.
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  Speaker 4: Then we put our hands up late and we go
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  Speaker 4: touchdown because he's laying in the end zone with the
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  Speaker 4: ball and it's a touchdown.
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  Speaker 2: Now prove me wrong on that one. And that's fine.
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  Speaker 2: The rhythm was off.
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  Speaker 4: And then, which added a little more to it, is
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  Speaker 4: the quarterback from the Saints gets a face mask where
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  Speaker 4: his head looks like a PEZ dispenser.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the only thing that didn't come out was
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  Speaker 2: a piece of candy, you know, at the end of it.
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  Speaker 4: But his head twisted back in such a way. And
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  Speaker 4: then the really thing that officials really fear and hope
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  Speaker 4: doesn't happen too frequently is a replay shows an egregiously
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: amiss play, right? That happened real quick. But does it
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: look real quick whenever it's frame by frame and that
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: head's tilted in a direction that normally you didn't think
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: a human's head could go? That adds a little salt
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: to the wound. So I see frustration from Baltimore. Understand
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: the frustration that why can't replay fix it? Can we
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: put a chip in the ball? Can't we get more
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: technology somewhere to get more exact? And quite frankly, you can't.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: So you live with the mechanic, and I think that's
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: the piece of it that I would question on the players.
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: When did you see the ball break the play, and
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: what triggered you to put your hands up?
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: Over the years, we've had this conversation numerous ways where,
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: and I get it, you've expressed this, you can't go
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: replay and call hold afterwards. I mean, that would set
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: a dangerous precedent for officiating the game. But when you
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: do see a face mask, something that is injurious, something that, man,
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: you could really ruin a career when you're grabbing a
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: face mask and twisting it in that fashion. Is that something?
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: Could we get there someday that if you did see
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: that in replay or like, okay, we couldn't tell if
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: the goal ball got across the goal line, but we
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: could certainly tell that 15 grabbed sixes face mask. And
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: that is unacceptable. That is a 15 yard penalty. Think
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: we could get there.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're slowly getting there.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: And really the way they're slowly getting there is we
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: have already taken a handful of personal fouls, some roughing
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: the passer flavors of hitting the head, some tripping plays.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: We had a trip that was called this week, which
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: is a personal foul. And after a quick review, realized
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: that the leg did go up, but it missed that player.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: So it wasn't a trip or he hit a teammate
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: and not the opponent. Yes, I think the slow walk
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: as we move forward.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Continues to be under this caveat.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: If there is a flag on the ground, we can
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: review and remove the flag.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: In other words, we don't, as.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: You said, want to create fouls in replay because then
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: we open Pandora's box. Again, as you've already alluded to,
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: if they're personal fouls, if they're safety fouls, not ones
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: that are just this judgment, is that enough for holding?
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: Is that pass interference, which we all lived and we
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: know that wasn't a great experience, right? It's the blatant
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: display that is missed.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: And this is an.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: Example where we just see, listen, this isn't someone's pinky
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: finger and someone's face mask. This is a face mask, right?
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: Can we create it? I think we'll get there.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: How they get there, do they allow.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: It to be, hey, we're going to give the coach
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: an opportunity to possibly challenge a non-called personal foul that
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: they think happened, provided they have the timeouts or challenges.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: And inside of two minutes or inside of that piece
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: where replay initiates, can replay do the same thing? Because
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: now we're at the point of the game where it's
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: extremely impactful.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: In the last two minutes of the half of the game.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: And then we can interject ourselves if we see very quickly,
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: kind of like how we're starting to learn what expedited
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: review is, right? Or replay assist, which means after only
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: one replay, it just jumped off the screen.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: It's incomplete.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: Don't waste the.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Challenge or the time. It's incomplete.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: The same kind of parameters start to apply to these
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: personal foul plays that that are unfortunate but are missed.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: I see us getting there at some point. And again,
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: the challenge from the fraternity, don't don't miss.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Them to put them in that.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: If we get them, they're not going to have these talks.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: So that's constantly the challenge from the human element, the fraternity,
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: which is a good challenge.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: And that's what they should be doing.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: Let's minimize them and try to eliminate.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Them, and they won't have the conversation.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: But we all know that's impossible with the cameras and
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: the angles. And so eventually, yes, I do think we'll
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: see something as we move forward. And it takes plays
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: like this to continue to keep that conversation brewing.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: All right. Well, I began with a compliment. I'm going
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: to end with a compliment in our last minute that
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: we have here, because if I was going to give
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: out a patch that the referee could proudly wear, whoever
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: made that call on that Jamar Chase, catch that was
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: amazing because there is no way on earth that looked
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: complete and that official nailed that call uh so whoever
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: made that call he deserves a patch gene Hey.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Chuck, you're starting to warm my heart now because, see,
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: like in our world and in our home, from the
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: time I was a child down until I'm a grandpa,
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: when you see things like that and understand really what
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: really happened to that human and how they casually just
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: digested this whole thing and, quite frankly, they.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Just saw it. They owned it. and just went, boom.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: You can look at it as many times as you want.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: And I had great officials, my brother being one, would
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: have a bang-bang play like that, and I'd see them challenge,
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: and they'd look and go, you shouldn't challenge this one, bro.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: I nailed it.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: I don't care what they say. I saw it. And
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: then you go and replay, and you watch it frame
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: by frame, and you take, my God almighty, he saw
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: this in real time. Dude, you're a freak. So yeah,
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: we're fist bumping. We're loving stuff like that. It's gigantic
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: ability and talent to do it, and uh and then
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: the other little axiom and i tell the rookies because
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: it happens when.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: In doubt in this league they did it right.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: When you look at a play and think is it
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: humanly possible for someone to have done that when we
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: were in college it was like nah it's incomplete let
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: them tell me it was a catch when you're in
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: the nfl you think is it humanly possible no but
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: he still.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Did it touchdown you know what i mean because.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: Many times they're gonna prove you you know wrong and.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Great position.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: There's so many levels, I could talk for 10 minutes
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: on it. But big kudos, big patch. Like, it's the
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: whole thing. We're popping the champagne. Well, not champagne, because
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: we don't drink as officials, you know. We're popping the champagne.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: And we're fist bumping, boys, you know.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: And it's saying, man, that's.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: What it's all about. And those are usually the plays
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: that hit that training tape when Wednesday and Thursday comes
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: around to you to get the group pumped up. Like, guys, look,
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: we get a lot of criticism, and sometimes we pass
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: over really amazing things, but let's take.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: A minute here and digest this.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: Let's watch this official do what they do, and let's
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: get ready for some great.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Football this week.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: That is how you pump them up, and they should
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: be recognizing Chuck. makes my heart warm dude like we're
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: getting there i don't know if it was the jersey
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: that we got we that you put on at one
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: point you had an epiphany like can't wait for halloween
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: started playing you were like i know what it feels
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: like to be that person and now you're living it
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: that's what you're making me really really happy today chuck
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: so thank you for that Well.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: If I knew you needed 10 minutes on that, I
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: would have given you 10 minutes.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: I put that there toward the end.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: I'll keep that in mind. You know, I think maybe
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: we do this season, you know, one great call every
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: segment with Gene Steratore and not just pour over the
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: controversial ones.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: So maybe we do that.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I love that idea. I love that idea.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: You see, it's a great idea. We attempted to do
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: it on my Twitter account and, And we did it
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: for a couple of weeks. But man, you said that
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: one tweet out there, it'd be bombarded with, oh yeah, right.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Gene, that's great.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: There's guys that, let me show you nine other plays,
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: you know, or something like that. But hey, I love it.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: I love the fact that you recognized it too, because
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: it was a hard play and they nailed it, which
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: was great to see.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: All right, Gene.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Thank you, sir. We'll talk to you next week.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Thanks, guys. Have a great week. All right.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: The one and only Gene Steratore. He's joining us right
• 24:08
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• 24:10
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• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Coming up next, oh, we haven't done this in a while,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: but I know the way you guys operate.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: You're down with OPQ.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you. I've been asking for it. Sports
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Radio 93.3, KJRFM.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: You're down with OPQ.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, I know you. Other people's quarterbacks. Keep you up
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: at night.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they do.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Keep you on your toes, don't they? There is
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: a lot of quarterback news to get to. And so
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: we do it. We're going to start with Jackson Dart,
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: who last night left the game with an injury. It
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: looked very severe. I think a lot of people were
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: thinking the worst at the time. But him jumping up
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: to make that pass like Johnny Manziel. is what saved
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: his knee from absolutely getting blown out. And so it
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: looks like it's just a sprain of the MCL. Adam
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Schefter reporting this morning, two to four weeks, possibly an
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: IR stint, but it could have been a lot worse.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: So I don't think that the Giants' hopes have gone
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: completely off the rails here.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: No, but you do have to wonder, like, how big
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: of a difference, how big of a drop it was
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: when Jameis Winston went in there.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: Well, it goes back to the Drew Lockwood. how good
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: a performance that was. When you're not getting any reps whatsoever,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden it's like, Monday Night
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Football against the Rams and Aaron Donald, go. That's usually
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: what it's going to look like.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: That's what it usually plays.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: That's why Locke was such an impressive performance against the
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Patriots Wednesday.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: By the way, Winston makes almost three times as much
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: as Drew Locke. So in terms of the open market value,
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: a lot of teams, including the Giants, value Jameis Winston
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: more than someone like Drew Locke.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: And yet Drew Locke has eaten two W's.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: He is one of the funnest guys on the sideline.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: There's so many just random memes of him, of just
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: like whether it's him singing the rap after he wins
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: the game against the Eagles or whatever.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: It was so good.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Jane Daniels, they are leaning toward probably will go on IR,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: but might not miss much more time than that. Same
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: injury to the left elbow. That's obviously not a stable joint.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go out on a limb and say,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I feel too good about that
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: if I'm jayden daniels uh i think he should have
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: surgery and maybe find something to support uh that something
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: artificial to support that um but there's i heard this
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: morning that maybe the second time it happens it recovers
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: faster really yeah that makes no sense to me i
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: don't either does a chameleon's tail grow back faster the
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: second time it's chopped off i don't know um but
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: um that's that was sort of suggested on the air
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: today but I thought he was going to miss a
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: lot of the season I thought maybe surgery was going
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: to be required but it sounds like they're looking at.
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: Like four weeks yeah the one kind of silver lining
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: there is it's not his throwing shoulder or throwing elbow
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: I should say so even if there is surgery that
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: has to happen or not it shouldn't affect his throwing
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: motion moving forward but that doesn't mean that it won't
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: be a risk moving forward.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: That's like with my pop-tart injury it's a good thing
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: it happened to my left hand the show would be
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: sunk if it would have happened to my throwing hand
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: this is true This is true.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: So what do we have done then? Thank God you
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: picked it out. You chose the left hand to pick
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: out that pop.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I was thinking on my feet.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: That's for sure.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Uh, Caleb Williams looks like he's going to be out
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: for like the next 10 minutes. I mean, he acted
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: like he needed emergency spleen removal surgery on the field
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: in the game on Sunday. But it looks like there's
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: a chance he could play this week. I mean, you
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: could hear Ben Johnson's eyes rolling in the press conference. Nah,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, it looks like it's a hamstring. I thought
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: it was the knee. He's probably going to miss some time.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: We're going to list him as questionable for Monday against
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: the Eagles. What? Out of all that?
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: It's a little overdramatic on Caleb's part, but he's.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Known for that. You know, I heard this conversation, and
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: we don't have time to have it.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: But this was a really interesting, it was from Albert Breer.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: And Albert Breer said, keep in mind that the Jaden Daniels,
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Caleb Williams draft class was the first draft class ever
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: that spent their entire college football careers with NIL and
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: open transfer portals. And that seems to me kind of telling.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that Caleb Williams is soft for
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: leaving the game because But what I am saying is
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: that guy has not been told no in six years.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: And so if he is overdramatic about little things that
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: happen in his life because no one's ever been tough
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: with him. Are you surprised that I got injured in
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: the rain? I'm not playing that well. And oh, my gosh,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: it's the end of the world. I mean, standing ovation.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: Thanks guys thumbs up i'm good i'm good don't worry
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: i could come back.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: I mean as has in four years has anybody told
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: jayden daniels cut it.
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: Out no because they know as soon as that happens
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: he's gonna transfer right yeah yeah i don't know i
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: think there is something to that for sure they're like
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: every generation has its own next step of Feeling more entitled,
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: as everyone likes to put it. But that is an
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: aspect you have to think about. And then I'm going
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: to close with this. I brought this up earlier to
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: start the show today.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Anders pumped it out on social media as just a
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: poll question. And some people are having fun with, no,
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: of course not. What a dumb question. I understood when
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: I brought this up at the beginning of the show
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: that this would not land well on its face. You
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: have to have the context of the conversation. You had
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: to have heard the conversation in order for it to
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: make sense. I was watching the game last night. I
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: watched Jackson Dart go down. It struck me, man, we're
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: in week two, and we've already lost how many starting quarterbacks?
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Three and counting?
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Four? No, Kyler Murray, four. You've lost four starting quarterbacks.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: In two weeks. Obviously, you don't do anything now, but
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: if Sam Darnold comes back and with time to prove
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: he's healthy and the team's rolling with Sam Darnold at
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: quarterback and you get to the NFL trading deadline and
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: maybe a couple of teams that think they're contenders who
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: have gone all in on being contenders this year lose
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: a starting quarterback, And the last evidence they have of
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Drew Locke are those two sensational games that he played
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: earlier in the season. And a team could say at
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: $ 2. 5 million, he fits under every single cap in North America.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: And quarterbacks can be kept on a salary cap franchise
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: tag the next year while you negotiate something potentially long term,
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: or if you need to see him play more than
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: just two games rather than commit to him long term,
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: does it come to a point around the trading deadline,
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: which is still two months away, seven weeks, I think,
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: where you might entertain the idea of Look, Sam's going.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Are we really going to hold on to a quality
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: backup when I've got two teams offering me a day
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: two draft pick for Drew Locke, who's going to walk
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: at the end of the season because he's going to
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: be somebody starting quarterback next year, a la Malik Willis
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: and what he did from Green Bay to Miami? I
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: don't think it's as insane a question as what you're
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: letting on. Because you're just playing off of should Seahawks
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: trade Drew Locke or consider trading Drew Locke. When you
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: add context to it, the proper context to it, I
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: do believe it becomes an interesting topic of conversation.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but even if you pose it as worded, should
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: they consider it? They absolutely should consider it. You should
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: always consider it.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Everyone has a price.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: That's fair. That's fair.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: It just depends on where that price falls for you.
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: Maybe you value him as high as a second round pick.
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: If it's less than that.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Great.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: You hold on to him.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: You should consider it.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, you set a price. I guarantee you
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  Speaker 3: one thing. Drew Locke is a lot more valuable right
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  Speaker 3: now than he was.
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  Speaker 2: Two weeks ago. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I promise you that.
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  Speaker 5: And you can, like you said, he's almost assuredly walking.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: He wants to go start somewhere. He's not going to
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: start here. So get something for him now. And we
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: all talk about chasing edges. Yes, having a good backup
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: is an edge. But also, you know what else is
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: an edge? Giving yourself even more bullets down the road
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  Speaker 5: in the draft.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, it's just that there might come a time
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  Speaker 3: during the season where you're like, Sam's going good. We
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: can sign Jake Browning as an emergency third quarterback on
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: this team, or even the backup if we don't feel
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: comfortable with Jalen Milrow, and I understand that. But at
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: some point, do you say to yourself, he has more
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: trade value to us than he has value to us
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  Speaker 3: for the rest of the season? Bingo. And so I
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: think it was worth kicking around here this morning with
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: rumors that Sam Darnold is going to practice starting on
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: Wednesday and may be back in the starting lineup as
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: early as this Sunday. So just threw it out there
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  Speaker 3: as a conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Piece, and there you go. So the poll question's up.
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  Speaker 3: Check it out.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead and let it rip, I suppose.
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  Speaker 3: But hopefully I've added a little bit of context as
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: to why we had the conversation and didn't just come
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: to work saying, Sam Darnold's back, trade your luck. Conclusion.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: All right, coming up next, let's talk about greatness. Sports
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  Speaker 3: Radio 93.3 KJR FM. Well, great morning to you all.
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  Speaker 3: Rick Neuheisel is going to join us at 9 o'clock.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: I don't have a lot of time to discuss this,
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: but we talked about it at great length yesterday on
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: the show. Hugh Millman, of course, Monday morning quarterback, Greg Bell.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Our thoughts, my thoughts on this came early in the
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: show at 6 o'clock. And so sometimes that gets lost
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: during the course of a conversation.
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  Speaker 2: You turn it over to experts and maybe you don't
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: circle back to it.
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  Speaker 3: But I just thought what we led with yesterday after
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  Speaker 3: that victory over the Cardinals.
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  Speaker 2: Is just understanding true greatness.
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  Speaker 3: It gets way overused, that word, and I try to
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: be a policeman for that word's overusage. I try not
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: to overuse the word great myself, and that's when it
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: does apply, especially to one or two of your guys. Man,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: then you love cracking it out. That is truly great.
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  Speaker 3: We have a truly great head coach today. of our
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: football team here in town. And we have a truly
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: great wide receiver in Jackson Smith and Jigba. And I
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: said yesterday, look, I don't think anybody in my entire
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: lifetime could possibly top Jerry Rice on my list of
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: all-time wide receivers. So I'm not saying JSN is Jerry Rice,
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: but what I'm saying, Anders, is we have a Jerry Rice.
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  Speaker 3: We have a guy in number 11 who, who cannot
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  Speaker 3: be guarded. I grew up watching 49ers games, typically rooting
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: against them. Why don't they cover him? Do they not
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: know he's on their team? You know, you're yelling at
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: the television. How could the best wide receiver in football
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: not be guarded? How do you not have a plan
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  Speaker 3: for it? And the truth of the matter is they
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: did have a plan for it. They worked all week
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  Speaker 3: long to stop Jerry Rice. And then when it actually
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: came down to it, they couldn't. We have one of
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: those guys. We don't have Jerry Rice, but we have
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: a Jerry Rice. We have one of those receivers. I
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: don't care how many times Sam or Drew target him.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: I don't care what defenses do against him. He will
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: find a way to get open. He will make plays,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: and every throw that goes his direction.
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  Speaker 2: He will catch.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, my favorite thing about him is he's so different
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: from all the other all-time great wide receivers, even currently
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: in the NFL. The fact, there's always some sort of
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: diva nature to him. um to them whether it's just
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: justin jefferson or jamar chase and not even i don't
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: even think that's always a bad thing you want your
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: receivers to have an ego have to and um want
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: the ball want to like be the guy that makes
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: plays right but jsn just always just so even keel
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: but he's competitive that's something i noticed last year um
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: you know the first couple years in the league when
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: he was uh second fiddle to dk um he he'd
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: sound almost was a little timid but then last year
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: when he was the guy he was like oh yeah
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: i'm gonna kind of step over you a little bit
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: i'm gonna show you up and show you that i'm
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: the best receiver in this league but i don't have
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: to you know tell you that i'm the best receiver
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: in this.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: League yeah and i like that about him too But
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: when Mike McDonald, on hard knocks, because he wouldn't say
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: this to us, he would never say it in an interview,
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: but when he gets caught by boom mics.
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  Speaker 2: That are ever-present, saying, oh my gosh, he looks unstoppable.
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  Speaker 2: JSN's even better. John, JSN's better than he was a
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: year ago. That's insane. That is insane. He is incredible.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: He is truly great.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: And so is his head coach. And it is fun.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: It's fun.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: All right. Rick Neuleisel is going to join us next.
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  Speaker 3: Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM.