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Episode 61: Enoch Part 3 - The Watchers Fall...and The Demons Arise · But is it Biblical?

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  Glen: I'm Glen.
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  Lydia: And I'm Lydia.
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  Lydia: And you're listening to, but is it biblical?
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  Glen: We invite you to join in as we evaluate church tradition and discover what scripture truly teaches.
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  Glen: Let's get into it.
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  Glen: This is episode sixty-one.
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  Glen: Welcome back to Butt Is It Biblical.
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  Glen: The watchers fall and the demons arise.
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  Glen: And I wanted to add, and they bring sickness and calamity and torment to the human soul.
• 1:03
  Lydia: That's a really long title.
• 1:04
  Glen: But that was really long.
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  Lydia: Really long.
• 1:06
  Lydia: People just keep on scrolling.
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  Glen: And it tells you what this episode is gonna be like.
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  Lydia: Well, I do know you closed your laptop as you finished the outline and had a huge sigh and went, huh?
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  Lydia: It's done.
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  Lydia: And it's a doozy.
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  Lydia: Oh okay.
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  Glen: It is most definitely a doozy.
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  Lydia: Oh, you weren't ...okay.
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  Lydia: You've been warned.
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  Glen: So we're gonna skip through the pleasantries this week.
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  Lydia: Okay.
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  Glen: If that's okay.
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  Glen: I love you.
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  Glen: You love me.
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  Lydia: You're healthy.
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  Lydia: We have a family.
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  Lydia: You're alive.
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  Glen: I'm feeling better.
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  Glen: Yay! We have weather.
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  Glen: We do life.
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  Lydia: Yeah.
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  Glen: Done.
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  Glen: Let's talk about Enoch and the watchers.
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  Glen: But real quick before we get started, I want to make a clarification from last week first.
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  Lydia: Okay.
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  Glen: All right.
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  Glen: I listened to the episode and I see how there can be a possible misunderstanding.
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  Glen: Nobody has contacted me, but I want to preempt any questions here.
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  Lydia: That's smart.
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  Lydia: All right.
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  Glen: When I quoted Revelation at the end, I shouldn't have said John finished the story for us.
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  Glen: I should have said John starts to finish the story for us.
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  Glen: Because while the chosen do represent all of humanity in Enoch, when you read it through the lens of Christ, and while John in Revelation was referencing this same story in Enoch, it's not the end of the story in Revelation.
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  Glen: Chapters 1 through 5 of Enoch were summarizing the whole end times judgment of God.
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  Glen: Okay, but the end of that story is the end of the final judgment there.
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  Glen: But Revelation keeps going.
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  Glen: Chapter 7 was in the middle of 22 chapters.
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  Glen: In Revelation 7, the chosen that are taken at that point are not all of the chosen.
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  Glen: There are others later on.
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  Glen: I should have been clearer about that.
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  Glen: Sorry, I was on meds.
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  Glen: And I was doing some ad libbing.
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  Glen: The goal was to leave that as a cliffhanger.
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  Glen: All of this will be explained when we conclude Enoch.
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  Glen: So with that, Lydia, G'mar chatima tova.
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  Lydia: Yeah, I don't speak Hebrew.
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  Glen: Happy Yom Kippur.
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  Glen: Sort well, not happy.
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  Glen: But we're recording this episode on the Day of Atonement.
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  Lydia: Really?
• 3:41
  Lydia: Oh my word.
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  Glen: No eating or drinking for 25 hours.
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  Lydia: Well, oops.
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  Glen: Go to synagogue.
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  Glen: Ask forgiveness of people you've wronged.
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  Glen: No taking baths.
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  Glen: Did you already oops?
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  Lydia: Again.
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  Glen: I won't be.
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  Glen: Only wear white clothes.
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  Lydia: You're not Jewish.
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  Lydia: You're fine.
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  Glen: And worst of all, no sex.
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  Glen: Now, the greetings Jews give is G'mar chatima tova.
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  Glen: And it literally means have a good final sealing.
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  Glen: But they're talking about the book of life.
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  Glen: So what the Jews mean is, may you be sealed in the book of life.
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  Glen: Now, you may hear that and think, the book of life, that's a New Testament thing.
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  Glen: That's in Revelation.
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  Glen: Jews don't believe in that.
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  Glen: But back in Exodus, the Israelites had made the golden calf and all that stuff.
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  Glen: And then Exodus 32, 30 says, The next day Moses said to the people, You have sinned a great sin, and now I will go up to the Lord.
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  Glen: Perhaps I can make atonement for your sin.
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  Glen: Then verse 33 says, But the Lord said to Moses, Whoever has sinned against me, I will blot out of my book.
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  Glen: Now, according to Jewish tradition, there are actually three books.
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  Glen: One for the good people, one for the bad, and one for the vast majority of people, which is the in-betweeners, who balance the good and the bad.
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  Glen: They do good stuff and bad stuff.
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  Glen: Now, God opens all three books on Rosh Hashanah, which this year started September 11th.
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  Glen: And then that lasts a couple days, and then there's a period of 10 days culminating in the Day of Atonement.
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  Glen: And those 10 days are a time that God is giving to allow people to make amends with the people that they've hurt or done wrong.
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  Glen: And then after those 10 days, you have today.
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  Glen: If you've made your amends, then you can be in the book of life, the one for the good people.
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  Glen: What we see in the New Testament with God's judgment is actually a reflection of all of that.
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  Glen: When John talks about the book of life in Revelation, the Jews understood what that meant, and that they had the opportunity to make those amends.
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  Glen: Rosh Hashanah actually used to be called the Feast of Trumpets.
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  Glen: That's in Leviticus 23, 24.
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  Glen: It says, Speak to the people of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall observe a day of solemn rest, a memorial proclaimed with blasts of trumpets, a holy convocation.
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  Glen: So think about this whole refining process getting started on Rosh Hashanah with the blast of trumpets.
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  Glen: And you have a period of time to make it right, and then comes the final judgment.
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  Glen: And in Revelation, the trumpets sound in chapter 8, immediately following the first group of chosen that are led into heaven.
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  Glen: Paul talks about it too in 1 Thessalonians 4, 16 to 18, and also in 1 Corinthians 15.
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  Glen: Verses 51 to 52 says, Behold, I tell you a mystery, we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed.
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  Glen: In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet, for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
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  Glen: Now we're going to get into Revelation in more detail when we conclude Enoch, but today we'll actually get into Yom Kippur.
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  Glen: And it's very fitting, as today is actually Yom Kippur, the day that we're recording this.
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  Glen: So there are reasons to believe that some of our New Testament books are not written by the authors we think.
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  Glen: That being said, for the sake of what I'm about to say, I'm going to attribute all of them traditionally.
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  Glen: So Matthew wrote Matthew, Mark wrote Mark, Luke wrote Luke and Acts, John wrote John, first, second, and third John in Revelation, Peter wrote 1 and 2 Peter, James wrote James, Jude wrote Jude, Paul wrote deep breath, Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, and Philemon.
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  Glen: And the author of Hebrews is unknown.
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  Glen: I personally think it was Barnabas, but I'm okay saying Paul for now.
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  Glen: So that's all 27 books.
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  Glen: And eight authors, if Paul wrote Hebrews.
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  Glen: Of those eight authors, how many do you think spoke of demons, evil spirits, or fallen angels?
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  Lydia: A good number of them because you you have even just the storytelling element of the gospels, them telling what Jesus did.
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  Lydia: So even if it's it's not reflecting necessarily the writer's view opinion, but it is reflecting what they saw.
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  Lydia: Does that make sense?
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  Glen: The answer is every single one.
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  Lydia: Every single one.
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  Glen: And the other two are second and third John.
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  Glen: But we know what Paul and John, what those two guys thought about demons based on their other writings.
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  Lydia: Right.
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  Glen: And then the Gospels go into practical, vivid, and sometimes uncomfortable detail about what demons were doing.
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  Glen: And we're going to get into those a little bit today.
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  Glen: But every author that we value the writings of enough to canonize spoke about the spiritual realm.
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  Glen: And I'm talking about the nasty parts of the spiritual realm, not the good ones like God and angels with wings and halos and bare feet for some reason.
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  Glen: And a rhetorical question for our audience now.
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  Glen: When was the last time your preacher talked about it?
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  Glen: I'm not talking about your pastor talking about Satan or the devil being alive and moving in popular culture today because people aren't following your rules.
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  Glen: I'm talking about the active work of evil spirits in humanity today.
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  Glen: For Jesus and the disciples, it was an everyday thing.
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  Glen: A normal occurrence.
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  Glen: When did that stop?
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  Glen: Did it stop when we became more civilized?
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  Glen: So demons just decided, eh, they're too smart for me now, I'll just disappear.
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  Glen: I mean, we're talking about demons that don't die.
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  Glen: They have to be somewhere.
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  Glen: So if you believe in them, and you do, if you believe your Bible, then what are they and what are they doing?
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  Glen: Just whispering in our ear from one of our shoulders?
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  Lydia: The little caricature.
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  Glen: While they're opposite the angel.
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  Glen: Holy angels on the other side, hoping we're taking their advice.
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  Lydia: If we're a Tom and Jerry cartoon, nailed it.
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  Glen: If they were actively persecuting humans on earth for over 2,000 years, when did that stop?
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  Glen: According to Paul in Ephesians, demons are our enemy.
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  Glen: They're the ones we're fighting against.
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  Glen: And in 1 Timothy 4, 1 through 2, Paul says that some people will leave the original faith and devote themselves to the teachings of these demons.
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  Glen: He goes on to explain that these demons are teaching rules that you have to abstain from certain things because they're bad, but that in reality everything God has created is good, and nothing is bad if it's received with thanksgiving.
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  Glen: So Paul seemed to know his enemy because these legalistic people were devoting themselves to the teaching of demons.
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  Glen: Demons were the source.
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  Glen: And Paul thought it was important for us to recognize it too.
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  Glen: Do you think it's important to know who your enemy is?
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  Glen: Let's look at what the New Testament authors said about our enemy.
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  Glen: And we can't look at them all because just in the synoptic gospels, so Matthew, Mark, and Luke, and then throw in Acts there, there are over a hundred mentions of demons, evil spirits, and unclean spirits.
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  Glen: Like I said, it was just a fact of life for them.
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  Glen: In Matthew 4, at the beginning of Jesus' ministry, Mark says Jesus went through Galilee teaching and healing every disease and every affliction among the people.
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  Glen: And then verse 24 says, So his fame spread throughout all Syria, and they brought him all the sick, those afflicted with various diseases and pains, those oppressed by demons, those having seizures and paralytics, and he healed them.
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  Glen: Matthew 8, 16 through 17 says, That evening they brought to him many who were oppressed by demons, and he cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were sick.
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  Glen: This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah.
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  Glen: He took our illnesses and bore our diseases.
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  Glen: Interesting.
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  Glen: He casts out the demons, and their sickness went away.
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  Glen: Later in that chapter, Jesus casts demons out of two guys, and he sends them into a herd of pigs, and then the pigs commit suicide.
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  Glen: In Matthew 9.32, a man's muteness is blamed on a demon.
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  Glen: When the demon is cast out, he starts speaking again.
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  Glen: We see something similar in Matthew 12, but the man is both mute and blind before the demon is cast out.
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  Glen: In Matthew 17, 14 through 18, a man comes running up to Jesus because his son was having seizures, and they're so bad sometimes he falls in the fire or the water.
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  Glen: So he tells Jesus that he told his disciples, and they couldn't do anything about it.
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  Glen: Well, Jesus rolls his eyes, and in verse 17, Jesus says, O faithless and twisted generation, how long am I to be with you?
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  Glen: How long am I to bear with you?
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  Glen: Bring him here to me.
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  Glen: He called his own disciples faithless and twisted, for not understanding what was going on.
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  Glen: What do you think he would call us?
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  Glen: Verse 18 says, And Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of him, and the boy was healed instantly.
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  Glen: No more seizures or foaming mouth.
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  Glen: The disciples then asked Jesus why they couldn't do it, and he uses the Greek word for little faith twice in a row.
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  Glen: So because of their itty bitty faith, they simply didn't believe.
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  Glen: Mark 134 says, And he healed many who were sick with various diseases, and cast out many demons.
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  Glen: And he would not permit the demons to speak because they knew him.
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  Glen: He didn't want his secret out yet, and they knew who he was.
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  Glen: But he healed those diseases by casting out demons.
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  Glen: At one point, Jesus gave his disciples the power to cast out demons, and Mark 6 13 says, And they cast out many demons and anointed with oil many who were sick and healed them.
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  Glen: So they took people who were sick, cast out their demons, and anointed them with oil.
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  Glen: Luke 13 11 says, And behold, there was a woman who had a disabling spirit for 18 years.
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  Glen: She was bent over and could not fully straighten herself.
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  Glen: So this is what I'm assuming today we would call something like scoliosis, right?
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  Lydia: Yeah, or if she was older, osteoporosis, something like that.
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  Glen: Well, these words for disabling spirit here are astheneias pneuma, G769 and G4151.
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  Glen: It literally means a sickness caused by a spirit.
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  Glen: Now, verse 12 says, When Jesus saw her, he called her over and said to her, Woman, you are freed from your sickness.
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  Glen: And before you write that one off to not being caused by a demon, listen to what happens.
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  Glen: The people in the synagogue got angry that Jesus healed on the Sabbath.
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  Glen: So Jesus called them all hypocrites.
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  Glen: And in verse sixteen he says, Ought not this woman, a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan bound for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath day?
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  Glen: So he credited her disease of eighteen years to the adversary, the prince of evil spirits.
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  Glen: Luke four forty says, Now when the sun was setting, all those who had any who were sick with various diseases brought them to him, and he laid his hands on every one of them and healed them.
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  Glen: And in the next verse the Greek reads, And demons were coming out of many, shouting, You are the Son of God, but rebuking them he would not allow them to speak because they knew him to be the Christ.
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  Glen: Acts 5.16 says, The people also gathered from the towns around Jerusalem, bringing the sick and those afflicted with unclean spirits, and they were all healed.
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  Glen: Acts eight seven says, For unclean spirits, crying out with a loud voice, came out of many who had them, and many who were paralyzed or lame were healed.
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  Glen: Acts nineteen, eleven through twelve says, And God was doing extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul, so that even handkerchiefs or aprons that had touched his skin were carried away to the sick, and their diseases left them, and the evil spirits came out of them.
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  Glen: What's funny about this one is that seven sons of a high priest witnessed it.
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  Glen: They were Jewish exorcists, and they probably got their jobs from their daddy, because it wasn't on merit.
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  Glen: Whatever they were doing wasn't working.
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  Glen: But they saw how the name of Jesus did the trick for Paul, so they started trying it out themselves.
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  Glen: They told the demons, I adjure you by the Jesus whom Paul proclaims.
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  Glen: And an evil spirit actually answered them.
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  Glen: He said, Jesus I know.
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  Glen: And Paul I recognize and then he turns his head to the guy and says, But who are you?
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  Glen: And then this possessed guy p beat up all seven of these Jewish exorcists and sent them running out of the house naked and wounded.
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  Glen: There's a mental image for you.
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  Glen: And a good reminder.
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  Glen: It's not the name or the facts that matter.
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  Glen: It's the power.
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  Glen: And that power comes from weakness, from selfless love.
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  Glen: Those guys simply didn't have what it took.
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  Glen: Anyway, we'll get into the passages dealing with more eternal value later from the rest of the New Testament.
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  Glen: The synoptic gospels in Acts talk about the more practical, temporary, earthly work of demons.
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  Glen: And what do we take away from reading them?
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  Glen: In all of these examples I've mentioned, do you notice the running theme here?
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  Glen: Demons cause physical and mental illness.
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  Glen: Sickness.
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  Glen: And before you chalk this up to the ignorance of ancient people regarding how the body works.
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  Lydia: Did you read my notes?
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  Glen: Was that in your head?
• 20:51
  Lydia: Yep.
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  Glen: Versus modern science and medicine.
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  Glen: Oh yeah.
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  Lydia: I'm sitting right here going, hmm.
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  Glen: Yeah, before you say we know what causes sickness now, and they didn't back then.
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  Glen: First, we understand some specifics of the how it's being done, but not who is doing it.
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  Glen: Similar to creation.
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  Glen: We understand more and more, little by little, the how.
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  Glen: But we use that to dismiss the who.
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  Glen: Science can never prove or disprove who is doing it.
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  Lydia: Yeah, like what causes someone's body chemicals to change so that they are no longer mentally healthy.
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  Lydia: You know, they're unstable, unbalanced.
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  Glen: Right.
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  Glen: I mean, we can figure out some of the how.
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  Lydia: Right.
• 21:43
  Glen: Well, this chemical morphed.
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  Glen: Uh in creation, you know, this animal whatever started growing legs.
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  Glen: We s we see some of the how that things are created.
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  Glen: And done, but we don't know the who, and science is never gonna prove that.
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  Glen: That takes faith.
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  Glen: We just find evidence for how it was done.
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  Glen: And second, Jesus knows the truth.
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  Glen: And Jesus said it was demons.
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  Glen: He told us the who.
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  Glen: He knows science better than we ever will.
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  Glen: He created the rules that govern the world.
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  Glen: We just discover the rules and then correct our discoveries when we find out we're wrong.
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  Glen: Which happens on a regular basis.
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  Glen: But he created the rules and he said that it's demons.
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  Glen: In some of these passages, and in some we didn't go through, Jesus even talks to the demons as if they are real people, like you and me.
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  Glen: Because they recognized him and he knows them like old acquaintances that don't like each other.
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  Glen: Who was he talking to if he was misunderstanding science?
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  Glen: Was he crazy?
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  Glen: Or is he your Messiah?
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  Glen: Some demons just refuse to go.
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  Glen: They don't refuse Jesus, of course, but in Mark 9 29, Jesus tells the disciples they couldn't cast out one because the type of demon that was there can't be driven out by anything but prayer.
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  Glen: Sometimes that's all we can do.
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  Glen: I personally have been praying for someone for years now with a very heavy heart.
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  Glen: And some demons, they never leave, no matter what.
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  Glen: We saw that with Paul in 2 Corinthians.
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  Glen: Even though Paul prayed continuously, God allowed the demon to continue to afflict Paul.
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  Glen: Because it kept Paul humble.
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  Glen: He had some sort of sickness.
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  Glen: God knew what was best for him.
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  Glen: Maybe the purpose of disease is to bring us closer to God.
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  Glen: God always works everything together for our good, even if the demons don't have those same intentions.
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  Glen: Sometimes demons enter people temporarily, just long enough to convince you to do something you normally wouldn't do.
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  Glen: And if you're not prepared with the Holy Spirit, ready to fight for you, there can be catastrophic consequences for you and for those around you.
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  Glen: Just take Judas, for example.
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  Glen: Satan entered him twice, and God used that for good.
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  Glen: But this wasn't some evil spirit that was low on the totem pole.
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  Glen: It was the adversary himself.
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  Glen: The first time Satan entered Judas to convince him to make a deal with the Sadducees to betray Jesus.
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  Glen: That's in Luke 22, 3.
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  Glen: And the second time Satan entered him on the night of the Last Supper, and Judas carried out the betrayal.
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  Glen: That's in John 13, 27.
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  Glen: But when Judas showed up for the actual betrayal, Jesus still called him his friend.
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  Glen: He knew this was not Judas doing this.
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  Glen: That's in Matthew 26, 50.
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  Glen: The sad thing is, once Satan left, Judas realized what he had done.
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  Glen: So he threw the money back at the Sadducees and went off to commit suicide.
• 25:41
  Glen: The Sadducees then used the money to buy a burial ground.
• 25:46
  Glen: We actually saw it when we were in Israel on the southern slope of Gehenna.
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  Glen: That whole story is a great reminder that we should always test everything we hear against the message of selfless love.
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  Glen: Judas failed to do that.
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  Glen: And the Pharisees and Sadducees failed to test according to love too.
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  Glen: As a result, on many occasions, they even accuse Jesus himself of being possessed by demons.
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  Glen: Look, if you don't know love, you can't recognize love.
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  Glen: And if you don't test according to love, then even a good person can make terrible, awful mistakes.
• 26:36
  Glen: In Acts 5, the people are bringing money to be shared with the community.
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  Glen: And Ananias keeps some for himself.
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  Glen: Peter asks him, Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit?
• 26:53
  Glen: And then Ananias died as a consequence.
• 26:57
  Glen: Now, whether you think that was actual possession or a more figurative thing, it doesn't really matter.
• 27:03
  Glen: Whatever it was, Peter said that that act of selfishness and deceit came from the adversary.
• 27:10
  Glen: And it ended Ananias' life.
• 27:13
  Glen: Demons don't afflict people because they are bad people.
• 27:18
  Glen: They do it because it causes suffering.
• 27:21
  Glen: Suffering for everyone involved.
• 27:24
  Glen: One of Jesus' best friends, Mary Magdalene, the Bible says she had seven demons, and that number seven, it's symbolic of completion.
• 27:36
  Glen: She was completely afflicted.
• 27:39
  Glen: Whether that was a physical or a mental illness, we don't know, but whatever it was, it was awful.
• 27:48
  Glen: Several women who had been healed traveled with Jesus.
• 27:53
  Glen: Luke eight two says the twelve were with him, and also some women who had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities.
• 28:02
  Glen: That word for infirmities means illnesses.
• 28:07
  Glen: Demons want nothing more than to make humanity suffer.
• 28:13
  Glen: And with that let's talk about how that came to be.
• 28:19
  Glen: This is what we know about the watchers from our canon.
• 28:25
  Glen: Genesis six says When man began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive, and they took as their wives any they chose.
• 28:41
  Glen: Then the Lord said, My spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh, his days shall be a hundred twenty years.
• 28:52
  Glen: The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man, and they bore children to them.
• 29:02
  Glen: These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.
• 29:08
  Glen: The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in all the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
• 29:18
  Glen: And the Lord regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart.
• 29:24
  Glen: So the Lord said, I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.
• 29:38
  Glen: But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.
• 29:43
  Glen: All right.
• 29:45
  Glen: Jude talks about this too.
• 29:47
  Glen: So Jude six through seven says, And the angels who did not stay within their position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day.
• 30:00
  Glen: Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in Pornea and pursued different flesh, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
• 30:14
  Glen: And then a few verses later, Jude would confirm that that Genesis story is the same story told in the book of Enoch.
• 30:22
  Glen: That's all we have in our current canon.
• 30:26
  Glen: Except for one little mention in Peter.
• 30:30
  Glen: Now, the Book of Jubilees, the other apocryphal book, other than Enoch, that had more than 10 copies in the Dead Sea Scrolls, it describes that the Watchers descended during the lifetime of Jared, who was Enoch's father.
• 30:47
  Glen: That's actually how he got his name.
• 30:49
  Glen: Jared means to descend.
• 30:51
  Glen: And this descent happened either shortly before Enoch was born or while he was a boy.
• 30:58
  Glen: So that means that Enoch grew up around this mess.
• 31:02
  Glen: Chapter 4 of Jubilees says that Enoch was the first person on earth to learn how to write, and he wrote down the first calendar, which was given to him by the angel Uriel.
• 31:14
  Glen: And he was the first to understand godly wisdom and knowledge, and he passed it down to his descendants, one of which was Noah.
• 31:23
  Glen: So we assume Noah took it to heart, and was eventually chosen by God to survive the flood.
• 31:30
  Glen: The Book of Giants is another writing found with the Dead Sea Scrolls.
• 31:35
  Glen: And it goes into even more detail on the whole story from an earthly perspective rather than heavenly.
• 31:41
  Glen: But we probably won't have time to get into that one much.
• 31:45
  Glen: It's actually pretty sympathetic of the Nephilim, once they've been caught anyway.
• 31:50
  Glen: And we see some of that in Enoch too.
• 31:53
  Lydia: So the Book of Jubilees, the Book of Giants, there were multiple copies found within the Dead Sea Scrolls, but what was the knowledge of those books, the texts, prior to that discovery?
• 32:06
  Lydia: Is that something that was new to not really.
• 32:14
  Glen: I mean, they shed light on our understanding of them, but they weren't new to us.
• 32:20
  Glen: So the They were discounted and put in the pile of books you don't read.
• 32:27
  Lydia: By the Jewish sects.
• 32:30
  Glen: Oh, by them at that time?
• 32:31
  Lydia: Yeah, because I mean if if you knew what to label it, oh, this is the book of Giants, this is the book of Jubilee.
• 32:38
  Lydia: Where what was the knowledge of those books beforehand?
• 32:43
  Lydia: Where did that come from?
• 32:44
  Lydia: How did we know?
• 32:45
  Lydia: Oh, this is the book of Giants.
• 32:47
  Lydia: Were there other copies and then they just kind of like Isaiah and other books that we have from the Old Testament?
• 32:54
  Glen: Well, we knew about them before we found them in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
• 32:57
  Lydia: Right.
• 32:57
  Lydia: Okay.
• 32:57
  Lydia: That's what I was trying to clarify.
• 32:59
  Glen: So there Yeah, because those weren't the only copies, and you know, they the oldest copies we had would have been much sooner.
• 33:08
  Glen: Right.
• 33:08
  Glen: More much more recent than the ones in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
• 33:12
  Glen: But when we found them, it was like, oh.
• 33:14
  Lydia: And not just one copy.
• 33:15
  Glen: This was important.
• 33:15
  Glen: Multiple, yeah.
• 33:16
  Glen: Well, Jubilees had a lot.
• 33:19
  Lydia: Okay.
• 33:19
  Glen: Just like Enoch.
• 33:20
  Glen: Because it was a retelling of Genesis.
• 33:23
  Glen: We'll get into that one later.
• 33:24
  Glen: Now, how should we be reading this story?
• 33:29
  Glen: Like, should it be literal or allegory?
• 33:33
  Glen: I don't know.
• 33:34
  Glen: A lot of the Bible is both, and some is just one or the other, and we need to make educated guesses on most of it.
• 33:43
  Glen: No archaeological evidence of giants has ever been found.
• 33:48
  Glen: And some people use that as proof that the story is allegory.
• 33:53
  Glen: But then no archaeological evidence that Abraham existed has been found either.
• 33:58
  Glen: And he is the basis of three major world religions that have been fighting wars for over a thousand years.
• 34:04
  Glen: So go figure.
• 34:06
  Glen: But literal or not, the concepts found in this story were believed by Jesus and our New Testament authors.
• 34:15
  Glen: So we're going to study it and we're going to focus on the main takeaways.
• 34:19
  Glen: Let's reopen Enoch to the Book of Watchers, chapter 6.
• 34:25
  Glen: When we left off, we ended with the introduction, which was a broad overview of God's judgment on the world.
• 34:33
  Glen: What we need to know, which is addressed in Jubilees, is that the Watchers were originally sent by God to watch over humans.
• 34:43
  Glen: They weren't bad angels until they saw the beauty of human women.
• 34:48
  Glen: Jubilees 4.15 says their job was to watch over humans and teach them to do right.
• 34:54
  Glen: But then something went wrong.
• 34:57
  Glen: Alright, and now we jump back over to Enoch.
• 35:00
  Glen: People had multiplied, just like God had commanded Adam and Eve.
• 35:05
  Glen: They did their job.
• 35:07
  Glen: And Adam was still alive at this time.
• 35:11
  Glen: And the women were hot.
• 35:14
  Glen: The author said that they were beautiful and comely, and the watchers saw this.
• 35:21
  Glen: So they elbow each other and said, Hey, let's make babies with these women.
• 35:29
  Glen: The watcher chief was named Shemihaza.
• 35:32
  Glen: And you have to say it like Mufasa.
• 35:35
  Glen: He was he was the S-A-I-C, the special angel in charge.
• 35:42
  Glen: And he said to the other watchers, I think you guys will back out on me, and I'm gonna take all the blame.
• 35:49
  Glen: So we're gonna swear an oath that we'll all go through with this thing.
• 35:54
  Glen: So 200 of them gathered together.
• 35:57
  Glen: And do you remember where they did that?
• 36:00
  Glen: I mentioned it a long time ago.
• 36:04
  Lydia: Gehenna?
• 36:04
  Lydia: No, that's the only thing I was remembering.
• 36:06
  Glen: It was in the Transfiguration episode.
• 36:09
  Lydia: Oh.
• 36:09
  Lydia: Mount Hermon.
• 36:13
  Glen: Mount Hermon.
• 36:14
  Lydia: Hey, okay.
• 36:15
  Glen: So those angels are the ones who actually named Mount Hermon.
• 36:19
  Glen: It says so right there in verse 5.
• 36:22
  Glen: It says, and they called the mountain Hermon because they swore and bound another with a curse on it.
• 36:29
  Lydia: Lovely.
• 36:31
  Glen: The name actually means sacred or holy mountain.
• 36:34
  Glen: In New Testament times, this mountain was the center of pagan worship with the cave called the gates of hell.
• 36:41
  Glen: Listen to episode 27 for more on that.
• 36:44
  Lydia: Is that the one that we saw?
• 36:49
  Glen: We went right up to it.
• 36:50
  Lydia: Lovely.
• 36:52
  Glen: Jesus would later reveal himself on that mountain to be the Messiah, the Son of God.
• 36:58
  Glen: Jesus was basically telling the fallen angels where to stick it.
• 37:03
  Glen: It's like, okay, you're gonna swear this oath to reject me and abandon me right here.
• 37:08
  Glen: I'm coming here to tell you I'm the man.
• 37:12
  Glen: Not you.
• 37:13
  Glen: So then Enoch names some of the angels.
• 37:17
  Glen: Boring.
• 37:18
  Glen: And then the watchers make good on their oath.
• 37:21
  Glen: They have kids with humans.
• 37:24
  Glen: The book describes three generations of kids.
• 37:28
  Glen: The first hybrids are giants.
• 37:31
  Glen: And then the giants apparently mated with women and had the Nephilim.
• 37:35
  Glen: And the Nephilim did the same and had the Aleud.
• 37:39
  Glen: We don't know much about the Aeliud from Enoch.
• 37:43
  Glen: But we can piece things together according to different text versions.
• 37:48
  Glen: So we have four generations here, three that came from human women.
• 37:53
  Glen: So first generation is the fallen angels.
• 37:56
  Glen: They're the ones who first mated with the women.
• 37:59
  Glen: And then we have the giants, who were huge, with huge appetites.
• 38:04
  Glen: Then the Nephilim, we'll talk about them later.
• 38:07
  Glen: And then the Eleud, who were the most degraded generation, extremely destructive, and extremely corrupt.
• 38:17
  Glen: All three of those, giants, Nephilim, and Aleud, are considered the offspring, or the children, or the bastards of the fallen angels.
• 38:28
  Glen: And all of those kiddos just grew in number and power.
• 38:34
  Glen: Chapter seven, verses three to five says, They were devouring the laborer of all the sons of men, and men were not able to supply them.
• 38:46
  Glen: And the giants began to kill men and to devour them, and they began to sin against the birds and beasts and creeping things and the fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and they drank the blood.
• 39:03
  Glen: Lovely.
• 39:05
  Glen: They ruined and corrupted everything on earth, which caused all of creation to cry out to God.
• 39:13
  Glen: But that's not all what was happening.
• 39:17
  Glen: That was just the children.
• 39:19
  Glen: In the meantime, the fallen angels were teaching all humans knowledge they shouldn't know.
• 39:25
  Glen: The SAC Shimihaza.
• 39:28
  Glen: He taught humans how to use the roots of trees and plants to make forbidden potions and medicines and do spells.
• 39:36
  Glen: Hermani taught humans to do sorcery and charms and magic.
• 39:42
  Glen: Other angels are named, and they taught how to read lightning flashes and the signs of the stars and the earth and the sun and moon, and the angel Osel.
• 39:54
  Glen: He was the worst.
• 39:57
  Glen: He taught humans metalworks, cosmetics, how to make weapons, shields, and breastplates for war.
• 40:07
  Glen: He taught them how to fashion gold and silver into jewelry, and how to use precious stones and dyes for makeup.
• 40:17
  Glen: And I know what you're thinking.
• 40:19
  Glen: What's so wrong with that?
• 40:21
  Glen: I'm wearing jewelry and makeup now.
• 40:25
  Glen: Well, not me.
• 40:27
  Glen: Actually, I do have a ring on and a tattoo.
• 40:31
  Lydia: Glad you clarified.
• 40:33
  Glen: But it's not necessarily about the knowledge.
• 40:36
  Glen: It's about the heart.
• 40:39
  Glen: Because this metalwork and makeup and jewelry, guess what the humans did with it?
• 40:45
  Glen: They started wars.
• 40:47
  Glen: They made idols for the first time.
• 40:51
  Glen: And they fed their vanity.
• 40:54
  Glen: The men would even dress their daughters up and make them pretty for the angels.
• 41:00
  Glen: Verse 8 2 describes the result of this knowledge.
• 41:04
  Glen: It says, And there was much godlessness on the earth, and they made their ways desolate.
• 41:11
  Glen: And this explains the verse that we find in the book of wisdom.
• 41:16
  Glen: It's in the Catholic Bible, the official Apocrypha.
• 41:20
  Glen: Wisdom fourteen, twelve through fourteen says, For the idea of making idols was the beginning of Pornea, and the invention of them was the corruption of life, for they did not exist from the beginning, nor will they last forever, for through human vanity they entered the world, and therefore their speedy end has been planned.
• 41:48
  Glen: Way to go, Asiel.
• 41:51
  Glen: And then slowly but surely the men of earth started to disappear, replaced by the offspring of the angels.
• 42:03
  Glen: So then four of the seven archangels, Michael, Sariel, Raphael, and Gabriel, these are the good guys, the angels that stand guard at God's throne.
• 42:17
  Glen: They looked down from heaven and saw what was happening.
• 42:22
  Glen: It was filled with godlessness and violence, and all the human men were dying or gone.
• 42:29
  Glen: And in chapter nine the archangels said to one another, The earth has lost its created beings, and the cries of their souls have reached the gates of heaven, asking for judgment to be made.
• 42:45
  Glen: So the archangels go to God, and they tell him that he is the all-powerful God and he has made all things.
• 42:54
  Glen: But these fallen angels have revealed eternal mysteries that are in heaven, which the men of earth were longing to know.
• 43:03
  Glen: In other words, the humans were asking for help.
• 43:07
  Glen: But those humans were completely on board at the start.
• 43:11
  Glen: They asked for it.
• 43:13
  Glen: They wanted to know the knowledge that the angels shared.
• 43:17
  Glen: They wanted to rely on themselves, and they abandoned God.
• 43:21
  Glen: And this was the result.
• 43:24
  Glen: In verse 9 7, the archangels tell God, Look what Shemihaza has done, to whom you gave the authority to rule over them.
• 43:36
  Glen: And they had children with their women, and they have revealed to them all sins, and have taught them to make hate inducing charms, and now they have half breeds, and men are dying, and the whole earth is filled with iniquity.
• 43:54
  Glen: And now the souls of the dead men cry out.
• 43:58
  Glen: Their cry has reached the gates of heaven, and it does not cease.
• 44:04
  Glen: And then the archangels tell God, You know everything before it happens.
• 44:11
  Glen: You see it and you permit it to happen, but you haven't told us what to do.
• 44:18
  Glen: So God then gives each of the archangels instructions.
• 44:23
  Glen: To Sariel, God says, Go tell Lamech's son, Noah, to hide, and tell him the world will be destroyed in a flood.
• 44:34
  Glen: Teach the righteous one how to survive.
• 44:38
  Glen: So God says, Noah is righteous here.
• 44:43
  Glen: Probably because Noah took to heart the wisdom that was passed down by Enoch.
• 44:48
  Glen: And then God continues, Because from Noah a plant will be planted, and a seed will endure for all generations of eternity.
• 44:58
  Glen: And this is prophetic, a nod to Jesus.
• 45:04
  Glen: Even though it was written a few hundred years before Jesus was born, similar to many Old Testament passages.
• 45:11
  Glen: And then God turns to Raphael and says, Go capture Osaiel, and imprison him in the wilderness, in darkness, on top of sharp, jagged stones, until the day of judgment, when he will be sent to the lake of fire.
• 45:31
  Glen: And the author here is using imagery that his audience would have understood, because another name for Asael is Azazel.
• 45:40
  Glen: In some manuscripts it actually uses the name Azazel instead of Asiel.
• 45:46
  Glen: Azazel is found in Leviticus sixteen during the Day of Atonement.
• 45:52
  Glen: He's a desert demon.
• 45:57
  Glen: The Israelites would take two goats.
• 46:01
  Glen: One would be a sin offering for God, and the other would be the scapegoat.
• 46:07
  Glen: All of the sins of Israel would be placed on the scapegoat, and then it would be released to the wilderness to go to Azazel.
• 46:17
  Glen: Their sins were being placed on him.
• 46:20
  Glen: So in this imagery in Enoch, Asiel was understood to be the scapegoat.
• 46:28
  Glen: Goats have been associated with demons for a very long time, and Yom Kippur is either the origin of that or the reflection of that.
• 46:40
  Glen: For example, the Greek god Pan was a goat god, and his temple was on Mount Hermon at the gates of hell.
• 46:48
  Glen: So just like the scapegoat, Asaiel is bound.
• 46:54
  Glen: He represents the corruption of earth or sin, and he is cast into the wilderness.
• 47:00
  Glen: But this story of Enoch, timeline-wise, occurs before Leviticus.
• 47:07
  Glen: So really it's the other way around.
• 47:10
  Glen: Because Asaiel came first, and he was already in the desert.
• 47:15
  Glen: So when God is giving Moses these instructions in Leviticus, and he tells him they need to send the scapegoat to Asia, he's really sending a message to Asaiel through the Israelites.
• 47:31
  Glen: A message that says, You are responsible for the corruption of the world, you bear this guilt.
• 47:38
  Glen: And Asiael is reminded of it every year today on Yom Kippur.
• 47:46
  Glen: Then God tells Raphael to heal the earth.
• 47:52
  Glen: This is apparently what he is supposed to do after the flood.
• 47:56
  Glen: He says, Lift the plague so that humanity may not perish, because of the mysteries that the watchers revealed, and because all the earth was made desolate by the deeds of the teaching of Asiael, over him write all the sins.
• 48:14
  Glen: God was holding Asiael, the worst of the fallen angels, responsible for all of the sins of humanity.
• 48:25
  Glen: And then God gives instructions to Gabriel, where in verse ten nine here, he says, Go, Gabriel, to the bastards, to the half-breeds, to the sons of Pornea.
• 48:40
  Glen: And that was a Greek word used to translate the original Aramaic here.
• 48:44
  Glen: Pornea began with idols, and these half-breeds were the result of Pornea, the outcome of selfish behavior.
• 48:53
  Glen: They represent what happens when you abandon God.
• 48:56
  Glen: And God finishes with Gabriel's instructions.
• 49:00
  Glen: He says, Destroy the sons of watchers, send them to war with each other, give them no mercy, they don't have much longer to live.
• 49:10
  Glen: Then God turns to Michael and says, Go, bind Shemihaza, the leader of the Watchers, and all of the others who mated with human women.
• 49:24
  Glen: When their children die, bind them for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth until the day of their judgment and consummation, until the everlasting judgment is consummated.
• 49:39
  Glen: Okay, so after the flood, the watchers, except for Asael, he's in the wilderness, they'll be imprisoned for seventy generations, and that is when their judgment will be consummated, which means finalized, completed, or brought to its ultimate conclusion.
• 50:00
  Glen: So let's do some calculations here.
• 50:02
  Glen: Today, and in the Bible, a generation is considered to be around 30 to 35 years.
• 50:10
  Glen: Multiply that by 70, you get something between 21 to 2500 years.
• 50:16
  Glen: Based on biblical timelines, the flood would have happened around 2348 BC, which would put the judgment of the fallen angels around the time of Christ.
• 50:26
  Glen: But let's do this another way to check our math.
• 50:31
  Glen: Let's look at the actual generations, because genealogies are all over the Bible.
• 50:37
  Glen: Enoch was the seventh from Adam.
• 50:41
  Glen: All right, then we need to tack on 70 more generations to that to get to the judgment of the watchers.
• 50:48
  Glen: Luckily, we have the Gospel of Luke, who would later, a few hundred years after Enoch was written, write a complete genealogy of Jesus going all the way back to Adam.
• 50:59
  Glen: If you look at Luke 3 and count all of the names from Jesus to Adam, and I did it, I recommend you do it too.
• 51:07
  Glen: It takes less than a minute.
• 51:09
  Glen: What do we get?
• 51:10
  Glen: Jesus was the 77th generation from Adam.
• 51:15
  Glen: Bingo.
• 51:18
  Glen: That's 70 generations from the flood.
• 51:21
  Glen: Now, either Luke read Enoch and decided to play games with people, or he studied the genealogies in the Old Testament, read Enoch and did the research to prove that Jesus Christ himself was the final judgment of the fallen angels.
• 51:37
  Glen: Suddenly, all of these genealogies in the Bible aren't looking so boring after all.
• 51:43
  Glen: And get this, after Luke gave his genealogy, he goes directly into talking about Jesus being led into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.
• 51:55
  Glen: Knowing what we know from Enoch, who do you think that devil in the wilderness was?
• 52:02
  Glen: Asiel, the angel who bears the sins of all humanity and was thrown into the wilderness.
• 52:12
  Glen: And what are the three things Jesus tells him?
• 52:16
  Glen: First, we aren't sustained by temporary things.
• 52:21
  Glen: We're sustained by God in our humility.
• 52:25
  Glen: Second, we worship God and serve Him only.
• 52:30
  Glen: And third, don't put God to the test.
• 52:34
  Glen: The three things that Osaiel and the rest of the fallen angels failed at.
• 52:41
  Glen: And then they taught humans to do the same.
• 52:45
  Glen: The day of judgment for the fallen angels came when Jesus Christ reconciled humanity back into a relationship with God.
• 52:57
  Glen: The sins of humanity were placed on Asiael, and he was sent as the scapegoat into the wilderness.
• 53:06
  Glen: Then Jesus came face to face with him there in the wilderness, and Jesus showed his power through his weakness.
• 53:15
  Glen: Both in the desert and on the cross, it was humility that God showed.
• 53:30
  Glen: And the fallen angels and humanity gave him selfishness in return.
• 53:38
  Glen: Jesus came to make that right.
• 53:41
  Glen: After the temptation in the wilderness, Luke 4 14 says that Jesus then returned to Galilee in the power of the Holy Spirit and began teaching others what is right.
• 53:57
  Glen: If you want to know what Jesus taught, just listen to Episodes 28 through 30, the listen to him episodes.
• 54:06
  Glen: In Enoch, we're still in chapter 10.
• 54:10
  Glen: What happens after this judgment of the fallen angels?
• 54:15
  Glen: They are thrown into the fiery abyss, also known as the lake of fire, along with everyone else who followed in their ways.
• 54:24
  Glen: Now, luckily for us, we know that Christ took on that curse for humans.
• 54:30
  Glen: Now, you'll notice throughout the book of Enoch that there is a dual meaning for just about everything.
• 54:38
  Glen: It's a two-layered prophecy because Enoch lived before the flood, but he used the historical count of the flood to speak of what will happen at the end times.
• 54:49
  Glen: They mirror each other.
• 54:51
  Glen: And then we today have the added third layer of Jesus Christ through the later writings of the New Testament, which neither Enoch nor the author had, even though they were prophesying about it.
• 55:05
  Glen: Anyway, we definitely see this dual layer, and especially the third layer, in the rest of what God tells Michael to do.
• 55:15
  Glen: God tells Michael to destroy the half-breeds because of what they've done to humanity.
• 55:21
  Glen: And keep in mind here that a good portion, I would say probably most of humanity is already dead.
• 55:29
  Glen: At least the men, because of these half-breeds.
• 55:33
  Glen: Except, of course, for Noah and his family, because Sariel hid them away.
• 55:39
  Glen: Noah's been building a boat this whole time, minding his own business, whistling while he works.
• 55:46
  Glen: I mean, God tells Michael to destroy all the perversity from the earth, and let the plant of righteousness and truth appear.
• 55:55
  Glen: All right, we know that plant is Christ, and it will become a blessing.
• 56:00
  Glen: It says all the righteous will escape and live, and they will till the earth and grow trees and vines with fruit, and they will grow old and will be in peace, and everything will be filled with joy.
• 56:13
  Glen: Cleanse the earth, Michael, and remove all impurities and godlessness and lawlessness and sin.
• 56:21
  Glen: And here comes the finale to Michael, starting in verse 1021.
• 56:28
  Glen: And all humanity will become righteous, and all the people will worship me, and all will bless me and prostrate themselves.
• 56:39
  Glen: That's a sign of humility, by the way.
• 56:42
  Glen: And all the earth will be cleansed from all defilement and from all uncleanness, and I shall not again send upon them any wrath or scourge for all the generations of eternity.
• 56:57
  Glen: I will open the storehouses of blessing from heaven, and send it to earth, and on the works of humanity, and then truth and peace will be united together for all the days of eternity and for all the generations of humanity.
• 57:17
  Glen: That word all there that's used over and over throughout this passage means everyone.
• 57:26
  Glen: All of humanity, no exceptions, will be free of this mess that the fallen angels have caused, and it will never happen again.
• 57:40
  Glen: That takes us through the actual fall of the Watchers through chapter 11.
• 57:47
  Glen: Like I mentioned before, some scholars interpret all of this allegorically, the whole book of Enoch, saying the authors were using the giants to represent the Hellenistic kings and so on and so forth, which is possible, but history tends to repeat itself.
• 58:04
  Glen: We can always find something in our own modern situation to help us understand an actual historical account, because we repeat ourselves.
• 58:15
  Glen: I gave an example of that last week when I compared the Pharisees rejecting the Sadducees in 160 BC to Protestants rejecting Catholics during the Reformation.
• 58:27
  Glen: And we can think of an even more modern equivalent, too.
• 58:30
  Glen: So it's possible that the authors took a literal historical account and tied it into their current events.
• 58:38
  Glen: But does that mean that the allegory has no truth or historicity to it?
• 58:44
  Glen: Based on my studies of the Bible, I personally see both.
• 58:49
  Glen: It really doesn't matter what you believe about all of this.
• 58:53
  Glen: God doesn't expect you to have the knowledge of universal history.
• 58:58
  Glen: He just wants humility and selfless love.
• 59:02
  Glen: So decide on your own what you believe or whether to even care, but hold those factual beliefs loosely.
• 59:12
  Glen: You're not going to be judged on what you know.
• 59:16
  Glen: Moving into chapter 12, the watchers fell, the flood happened, and now we switch gears.
• 59:26
  Glen: We rewind just a little bit, and Enoch is going to talk about what happened during his journey to heaven, after the watchers fell, but before the flood.
• 59:37
  Glen: And we're going to see a back and forth between the fallen angels and God.
• 59:43
  Glen: God tells Enoch to go tell the watchers that they suck, and they will watch their kids die, and they'll be sad and will have no peace.
• 59:52
  Glen: And then God sends Enoch to Asiael as well to tell him he sucks too.
• 59:59
  Glen: And he will have no peace because of what he taught the humans to do.
• 1:00:03
  Glen: So then the watchers get together and they decide to ask Enoch to intercede for them.
• 1:00:11
  Glen: We're in verse 13:4 here.
• 1:00:13
  Glen: They asked Enoch to write a memo to God and to read it to him.
• 1:00:18
  Glen: They wanted Enoch to plead to God for forgiveness because they are so ashamed of what they have done.
• 1:00:27
  Glen: And I'm sensing crocodile tears here.
• 1:00:30
  Glen: So Enoch did it.
• 1:00:33
  Glen: And he put in all the details, what every angel did wrong individually and as a group.
• 1:00:40
  Glen: And Enoch took that memo and walked to Dan, just west of the base of Mount Hermon, to sit by the waters there.
• 1:00:49
  Glen: It's a very peaceful place.
• 1:00:51
  Glen: We actually got to walk by those same waters when we were in Israel.
• 1:00:56
  Glen: Our kids made a pole vault out of some branches just to vault themselves from one side of the water to the other, and of course they missed.
• 1:01:04
  Glen: And we left wet.
• 1:01:06
  Lydia: It was a refreshing break.
• 1:01:09
  Glen: But it was a very peaceful place.
• 1:01:10
  Glen: Lydia and I just sat there while the kids played.
• 1:01:13
  Glen: So Enoch is sitting there by the waters and he starts reading the memo to God.
• 1:01:18
  Glen: And while he's reading, he falls asleep.
• 1:01:22
  Glen: The waters did their job.
• 1:01:25
  Glen: And while he's asleep, he has a dream.
• 1:01:29
  Glen: And he has visions of wrath and destruction.
• 1:01:34
  Glen: And God told him to reprimand the fallen angels.
• 1:01:37
  Glen: So he wakes up after this dream and walks back to Abel Main, which is just a few miles west of Dan.
• 1:01:46
  Glen: And he finds the watchers weeping and covering their faces.
• 1:01:51
  Glen: And I like what the text says here.
• 1:01:54
  Glen: Enoch says that he's going to try to use human language to explain what he saw in his dreams, because that's what God gave humans to communicate.
• 1:02:04
  Glen: We speak by the mouth, but we understand with the heart, is what Enoch says.
• 1:02:12
  Glen: And he said that God destined humans to understand the words of wisdom.
• 1:02:17
  Glen: Some translations, including the one I have, just say knowledge, but the word means wisdom, understanding, or divine knowledge.
• 1:02:25
  Glen: So God destined humans to understand with the heart divine wisdom.
• 1:02:32
  Glen: Enoch reprimands the angels and gives them all the details about the dream he had.
• 1:02:39
  Glen: Now the short version is you're not getting what you want, you're getting the opposite, you're banned from heaven, you'll be imprisoned, you'll watch your kids die, and you'll get no mercy.
• 1:02:49
  Glen: The longer version is that Enoch saw the majesty of God on his throne.
• 1:02:56
  Glen: And Enoch fell flat on his face, trembling.
• 1:03:00
  Glen: He noticed that even though God has a multitude of holy angels surrounding him and they never leave, God needs no counselor because his every word is deed.
• 1:03:14
  Glen: Now back then the kings would have all of these advisors and counselors around them, surrounding the throne.
• 1:03:20
  Glen: And when he needed to make a decision, they'd come up and talk with him and tell him, Hey, you should do this, you should do this.
• 1:03:26
  Glen: He's saying, even though he has a multitude of holy angels surrounding, he doesn't need any of them.
• 1:03:33
  Glen: His word is deed.
• 1:03:35
  Glen: God told Enoch, get up and listen.
• 1:03:39
  Glen: And he couldn't, and one of the holy angels had to help him up.
• 1:03:43
  Glen: And the angel brought Enoch to the door.
• 1:03:47
  Glen: But Enoch still had his face bowed down, and God said to Enoch, Fear not, Enoch, righteous man and scribe of truth, come here and hear my voice.
• 1:04:00
  Glen: And then he told Enoch to ask the watchers why they have forsaken the high heaven, the eternal sanctuary, and defiled the human women, and had mutant babies.
• 1:04:12
  Glen: God said, I created you as holy ones, spirits, living forever.
• 1:04:20
  Glen: Your dwelling place was in heaven, but now you have had children and they are a monstrosity.
• 1:04:26
  Glen: Their bodies will be destroyed, but their spirits will go forth from the body of their flesh, and they're going to be called evil spirits on earth, because from humans they came into being, and from the watchers was their origin.
• 1:04:41
  Glen: The spirits of heaven dwell in heaven, but the spirits begotten on the earth, on the earth is their home.
• 1:04:49
  Glen: And now comes the climax of this episode, where in chapter fifteen verse eleven These evil spirits of the giants, who will dwell on the earth, they will lead astray, they will do violence, they will cause sadness and loneliness, and they will attack, wrestle, and hurl upon the earth, and cause illnesses.
• 1:05:19
  Glen: They will eat and drink nothing, remaining in a constant state of hunger and thirst, and they will rise up against humans.
• 1:05:31
  Glen: From the day that they are slaughtered, their spirits will make desolate without incurring judgment until the great day of judgment when everything is brought to completion.
• 1:05:44
  Glen: So they will have the run of earth until the day of great judgment.
• 1:05:53
  Glen: And then God told Enoch to tell the fallen angels this.
• 1:05:58
  Glen: You were in heaven, and no mystery was revealed to you, but a stolen mystery you learned.
• 1:06:07
  Glen: And you made this mystery known to humanity, and through this mystery evil is multiplying on the earth.
• 1:06:17
  Glen: So say to the angels, You will have no peace.
• 1:06:24
  Glen: So God rejected the petition of the watchers.
• 1:06:32
  Glen: The mystery of selfishness had spread throughout the earth.
• 1:06:37
  Glen: Humanity had abandoned God.
• 1:06:40
  Glen: And now out of spite, humanity is being tormented by the evil spirits of the giants who led us astray.
• 1:06:51
  Glen: They cause violence, sadness, loneliness, and as we saw at the beginning of the episode, sickness.
• 1:07:00
  Glen: Now, are all illnesses and diseases caused by evil spirits?
• 1:07:07
  Glen: I don't know the answer to that.
• 1:07:10
  Glen: But the people who came to Jesus didn't seem to know or care, and when they came to him, he cast out demons.
• 1:07:20
  Glen: Every time.
• 1:07:22
  Glen: So you tell me.
• 1:07:24
  Glen: What does that lead you to believe?
• 1:07:28
  Glen: As for the knowledge the Watchers taught, it was earthly wisdom.
• 1:07:35
  Glen: And it was accompanied by selfish desires.
• 1:07:38
  Glen: Humans wanted to be something more.
• 1:07:41
  Glen: They wanted to be like God, and they replaced God.
• 1:07:46
  Glen: And all of this makes me wonder if the account of the Tree of Knowledge in Genesis 3 is actually talking about this whole situation with the Watchers.
• 1:07:55
  Glen: That's a thought for another episode.
• 1:07:58
  Glen: But knowledge itself is not bad.
• 1:08:02
  Glen: It's the heart behind it.
• 1:08:05
  Glen: And it's what you do with it that matters.
• 1:08:08
  Glen: Are you learning in order to lift yourself up or to lift others up?
• 1:08:16
  Glen: James three, thirteen through eighteen says, Who is wise and understanding among you?
• 1:08:23
  Glen: By his good conduct let him show his works in the meekness of wisdom.
• 1:08:28
  Glen: But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast and be false to the truth.
• 1:08:37
  Glen: This is not the wisdom that comes down from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic.
• 1:08:45
  Glen: For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every vile practice.
• 1:08:55
  Glen: But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere, and a harvest of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
• 1:09:14
  Glen: Selfish wisdom is earthly wisdom.
• 1:09:18
  Glen: But thankfully we have Jesus Christ, who provides access to God Himself through the Holy Spirit.
• 1:09:27
  Glen: And that Holy Spirit teaches selfless love and humility.
• 1:09:33
  Glen: James four, six through ten says God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.
• 1:09:41
  Glen: Submit yourselves therefore to God.
• 1:09:45
  Glen: Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
• 1:09:50
  Glen: Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you.
• 1:09:55
  Glen: Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double minded.
• 1:10:01
  Glen: Be wretched and mourn and weep.
• 1:10:05
  Glen: Let your laughter be turned to mourning, let your joy to gloom.
• 1:10:09
  Glen: Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you.
• 1:10:16
  Glen: Friends, once again, humility is the answer.
• 1:10:23
  Glen: Selfless love.
• 1:10:25
  Glen: Let's walk in the light.
• 1:10:57
  Lydia: That wasn't as big of a doozy as I thought it was gonna be.
• 1:11:04
  Glen: Good.
• 1:11:04
  Lydia: Okay.
• 1:11:05
  Lydia: I might be alone in that, so I'm sorry if others are sitting there going, what well, we've talked about it before, so Yeah, that's true.
• 1:11:15
  Glen: It wasn't the first time hearing it.
• 1:11:17
  Lydia: The can of worms was already opened.
• 1:11:18
  Lydia: Yeah, is what you're saying.
• 1:11:20
  Lydia: Well, I I am gonna do your least favorite thing and make you repeat yourself because lovely.
• 1:11:26
  Lydia: I still I know I'm not the only one who I know you answered this, but I still am like, but what?
• 1:11:32
  Lydia: Because I still just listen to you explain things and then I'm like, but still, mental illness.
• 1:11:40
  Lydia: How is that different than you know, the oppression of demons?
• 1:11:45
  Lydia: Our understanding of our bodies is so much more modern, updated?
• 1:11:53
  Lydia: I don't know.
• 1:11:53
  Glen: Knowledgeable.
• 1:11:55
  Lydia: Knowledgeable of the human body and hormones and chemicals.
• 1:11:58
  Lydia: It's so much more advanced.
• 1:12:01
  Lydia: I hate saying that because I mean they were wise in their own ways back then.
• 1:12:07
  Glen: But I guess I just think how is hormones and chemicals, how is that different than being So you're saying that should explain what's going on when somebody's sick?
• 1:12:18
  Lydia: Yes.
• 1:12:19
  Glen: Not blame demons instead of what we know is happening with these cells in this body.
• 1:12:27
  Lydia: Yeah.
• 1:12:27
  Lydia: I mean, we now know what's going on in a person's body.
• 1:12:31
  Lydia: Why put a label of, oh, well, maybe it's maybe it's Satan fighting them?
• 1:12:37
  Lydia: You know, like it I got it.
• 1:12:39
  Lydia: Okay.
• 1:12:40
  Glen: And first off, I don't mind repeating myself if it's done in different words in order to help somebody understand something.
• 1:12:51
  Glen: There's only so many ways you can say get in bed.
• 1:12:55
  Glen: It's bedtime, right?
• 1:12:58
  Lydia: Sorry.
• 1:12:58
  Glen: So having to repeat that to children is what drives me crazy.
• 1:13:02
  Glen: Stuff like that.
• 1:13:03
  Lydia: Okay.
• 1:13:04
  Glen: Turn it off.
• 1:13:05
  Lydia: Yeah.
• 1:13:05
  Glen: Get in bed.
• 1:13:06
  Glen: That's the kind of re repetition I don't like.
• 1:13:10
  Lydia: Right.
• 1:13:11
  Glen: Okay.
• 1:13:11
  Glen: Well to answer your question about teach us again, Glen.
• 1:13:16
  Glen: I don't know that you can say that mental illness is different from oppression by demons.
• 1:13:23
  Glen: Can you?
• 1:13:24
  Glen: I mean, how do you know?
• 1:13:25
  Lydia: Wait, well, and that's just it.
• 1:13:26
  Lydia: You don't we don't know.
• 1:13:29
  Lydia: You can't dismiss it completely, but yet we see medically, oh, it kind of does explain itself now with this knowledge.
• 1:13:36
  Glen: Right.
• 1:13:37
  Glen: Because on the other hand, you can't say that all mental illness is caused by demons either.
• 1:13:42
  Glen: If you can't prove that they cause it to begin with, then you certainly can't say that all of them are caused by demons.
• 1:13:51
  Glen: But if we're reading our Bible correctly, it looks like people were bringing the mentally and physically ill to Jesus.
• 1:13:58
  Glen: And those illnesses were being blamed on demons, both by the people who had them as well as Jesus himself.
• 1:14:08
  Lydia: They also thought leeches could suck out illness.
• 1:14:11
  Lydia: So, you know, I just started.
• 1:14:12
  Glen: Well, we still use leeches in modern medicine.
• 1:14:15
  Lydia: Okay.
• 1:14:16
  Glen: But what I mean, are you saying Jesus didn't understand it?
• 1:14:18
  Glen: Because you're ...
• 1:14:20
  Glen: when you say they also said this, you're talking about mortal humans whose limited, very limited knowledge.
• 1:14:29
  Glen: I'm talking about Jesus here.
• 1:14:32
  Lydia: Okay.
• 1:14:32
  Glen: The person that we claim is God.
• 1:14:35
  Lydia: Yeah.
• 1:14:36
  Glen: The person that claimed he was God.
• 1:14:38
  Glen: Well, I'm not talking about your average human.
• 1:14:41
  Glen: All right, but I hear the logic and the question.
• 1:14:45
  Glen: So here is how I understand it.
• 1:14:48
  Glen: I'll give you this example.
• 1:14:49
  Glen: Okay.
• 1:14:50
  Glen: I'll give you a parable, if you will.
• 1:14:52
  Glen: No, yes, an analogy.
• 1:14:55
  Glen: I'm gonna I'm gonna use the same mode of instruction that Jesus used, which is tell a story.
• 1:15:04
  Glen: Okay.
• 1:15:05
  Glen: What is the science behind flight?
• 1:15:09
  Glen: There are four things that you need in order to fly.
• 1:15:14
  Glen: What are they?
• 1:15:15
  Lydia: Lift, uh-huh, speed.
• 1:15:18
  Glen: Uh I'll I'll give you that.
• 1:15:20
  Glen: It's thrust.
• 1:15:22
  Lydia: Uh lift, thrust, force, the force of the air track.
• 1:15:27
  Glen: There are two other forces.
• 1:15:28
  Glen: One is weight, and one is drag.
• 1:15:31
  Glen: So one is pulling you back and one is trying to pull you down, right?
• 1:15:36
  Glen: So these forces that pull a flying object in the four different directions, up, down, forward, and backward.
• 1:15:43
  Glen: How does a bird fly?
• 1:15:46
  Lydia: Flaps its little wings.
• 1:15:48
  Lydia: Yeah.
• 1:15:48
  Glen: Well, they use those same four forces.
• 1:15:51
  Lydia: Yeah, I guess so.
• 1:15:52
  Glen: They have hollow bones to cut down on weight, they use their wings to generate lift, they flap those wings to generate thrust, and their feathers and their shape reduce drag.
• 1:16:06
  Lydia: Huh.
• 1:16:07
  Glen: Okay.
• 1:16:07
  Glen: Now, we've taken those rules of flight, the science behind how it's done, and humans have built machines that can mimic what a bird does.
• 1:16:19
  Glen: Airplanes, helicopters, whatever.
• 1:16:22
  Lydia: Yeah.
• 1:16:23
  Glen: So we have utilized those rules or laws, but who created the rules?
• 1:16:34
  Lydia: There it is.
• 1:16:35
  Lydia: The rules of physics, the rules of all that is just observing.
• 1:16:39
  Glen: Did we create them or do we just observe them and make things based on them?
• 1:16:43
  Lydia: You're right.
• 1:16:44
  Glen: Are they just naturally occurring on their own in nature?
• 1:16:47
  Glen: Okay, then.
• 1:16:48
  Glen: Okay.
• 1:16:48
  Glen: If that's the case, who created that nature?
• 1:16:52
  Lydia: God did.
• 1:16:54
  Glen: And we can follow this train of logic all the way back as to what is responsible for the cause of anything.
• 1:17:02
  Glen: So, like the underlying question is always who or what caused that?
• 1:17:07
  Glen: So if we believe that the earth was caused by a big bang, for example, okay, what caused that then?
• 1:17:15
  Glen: People say, no, God didn't create the earth.
• 1:17:17
  Glen: It was created by a big bang.
• 1:17:19
  Glen: Okay, who created the big bang?
• 1:17:21
  Glen: Well, it came from nothing.
• 1:17:23
  Glen: Okay.
• 1:17:23
  Glen: How do we define nothing?
• 1:17:25
  Glen: Who caused the nothing?
• 1:17:27
  Glen: Where did it come from?
• 1:17:28
  Glen: Nobody.
• 1:17:30
  Glen: I mean, that's where faith comes in, right?
• 1:17:33
  Lydia: This sounds like the circles that theologians get stuck in.
• 1:17:36
  Lydia: Like, let's just ponder all the things.
• 1:17:38
  Glen: You're getting a little preview of theology beer camp.
• 1:17:40
  Glen: I personally can't go outside and see nature and come to the conclusion that there is not a creator.
• 1:17:48
  Glen: The universe is too beautiful.
• 1:17:51
  Glen: And then we have Earth full of life.
• 1:17:54
  Glen: I see a design, but I can't prove it.
• 1:17:57
  Glen: And nobody will ever prove it.
• 1:18:00
  Glen: Because it doesn't want to be proven.
• 1:18:03
  Glen: God doesn't want you to prove Him with your knowledge.
• 1:18:07
  Glen: He wants to be known.
• 1:18:08
  Glen: But back to your question, when humanity figured out the rules of flight and made airplanes, there were restrictions there.
• 1:18:18
  Glen: Every single flying machine we've ever created must follow the rules.
• 1:18:24
  Glen: If it doesn't, it crashes.
• 1:18:27
  Lydia: Yeah, it doesn't fly.
• 1:18:28
  Lydia: Okay.
• 1:18:29
  Glen: If we get thrust, lift, and drag right, but the airplane weighs too much, then what happens?
• 1:18:36
  Lydia: It's not going to take off.
• 1:18:37
  Glen: It falls out of the sky.
• 1:18:38
  Glen: Yeah.
• 1:18:38
  Glen: It doesn't fly.
• 1:18:39
  Glen: It doesn't operate the way it's meant to.
• 1:18:42
  Glen: That's why planes have weight limits.
• 1:18:44
  Glen: And it's the same with a bird.
• 1:18:46
  Glen: What happens when you clip its wings?
• 1:18:48
  Lydia: Oh, yeah, like a chicken.
• 1:18:50
  Glen: No more flying.
• 1:18:51
  Lydia: Yeah, a pet bird.
• 1:18:52
  Glen: And yeah, people do that with parrots.
• 1:18:54
  Glen: Right?
• 1:18:55
  Glen: They want to limit its ability to fly away and escape.
• 1:18:58
  Glen: We corrupt the bird's natural design by first understanding the rules, and then second, by altering the bird's body so that it is no longer able to follow those rules.
• 1:19:15
  Glen: And just like with flight, if the body is meant to operate by the rules of biology, then corrupting those rules causes the body to fail.
• 1:19:29
  Glen: Just like a bird's wings.
• 1:19:31
  Glen: It no longer works the way it was designed because something is getting in the way.
• 1:19:36
  Glen: Now, a demon's job is to torment humanity, and they know the rules.
• 1:19:42
  Glen: They know a whole lot more about the way our bodies work than we do because they've had a lot of practice.
• 1:19:50
  Glen: Over time, we've learned a lot about the rules of the body too, but we're not even close to knowing everything.
• 1:19:58
  Glen: That's why they say a doctor practices medicine.
• 1:20:02
  Lydia: Oh yeah.
• 1:20:03
  Glen: Learning the rules is an ongoing process.
• 1:20:06
  Glen: Demons use what they know to torment us.
• 1:20:10
  Glen: And as soon as we find a fix to one thing, another thing pops up.
• 1:20:14
  Glen: We're no longer afraid of certain diseases because we have found cures.
• 1:20:19
  Glen: But guess what?
• 1:20:20
  Glen: New diseases emerge.
• 1:20:22
  Glen: And we're back at square one.
• 1:20:25
  Glen: We can sometimes figure out the how.
• 1:20:29
  Glen: But the cause of that how still eludes us.
• 1:20:33
  Glen: We say, well, this disease starts when this cell starts dividing this way instead of that way.
• 1:20:41
  Glen: But we don't know why it does that.
• 1:20:44
  Glen: We know that bird can't fly because its wings were clipped.
• 1:20:47
  Glen: Who clipped its wings?
• 1:20:49
  Glen: What or who caused it to behave the wrong way in the first place?
• 1:20:56
  Glen: A lot of people blame God when they get a disease or illness.
• 1:21:01
  Glen: They say, How could God allow this to happen?
• 1:21:04
  Lydia: Right.
• 1:21:04
  Lydia: They're loving God.
• 1:21:06
  Glen: So they're admitting that a who can allow sickness.
• 1:21:12
  Glen: So that implies that a who can cause sickness.
• 1:21:17
  Glen: It's already ingrained in us to ask the question who is responsible for this?
• 1:21:25
  Glen: But we don't.
• 1:21:27
  Glen: I hope that is a better explanation than what I gave in the episode.
• 1:21:34
  Lydia: It is actually.
• 1:21:35
  Lydia: I mean I appreciated during the episode how you at least admitted, hey, you might be thinking this.
• 1:21:41
  Lydia: And like, ah yes, I was.
• 1:21:43
  Lydia: Almost verbatim.
• 1:21:46
  Lydia: But I it does help.
• 1:21:49
  Lydia: I I mean, it's still one of those things I will hear over and over again in my mind of, but what about and then reflect on this analogy that you gave.
• 1:21:58
  Lydia: It does help explain a little better of the the who.
• 1:22:02
  Lydia: Well, speaking of who's, I had another pondering towards the end of the episode.
• 1:22:10
  Lydia: You were talking about, you know, Enoch seeing the final punishment for the watchers.
• 1:22:17
  Lydia: And so it had me thinking, wait a second, I thought Well, he saw them being imprisoned.
• 1:22:26
  Lydia: Oh, right.
• 1:22:27
  Lydia: Right.
• 1:22:27
  Lydia: With the judgment to become to come.
• 1:22:30
  Glen: Right.
• 1:22:30
  Lydia: Okay, so if demons are the children of the watchers, if I if I'm phrasing that correctly, we we call we can call them demons now within this context.
• 1:22:42
  Lydia: It's not the fallen angels who are the demons.
• 1:22:46
  Lydia: Because how is it that we kind of came to believe, and I say we as the general evangelical, maybe?
• 1:22:53
  Lydia: Maybe I'm representing that mentality.
• 1:22:55
  Lydia: How did we come to believe that demons were the angels that followed Satan in rebellion against God?
• 1:23:02
  Lydia: Not the watchers who had children.
• 1:23:08
  Lydia: Right.
• 1:23:08
  Lydia: Sorry, let me say that.
• 1:23:09
  Lydia: Not the watch.
• 1:23:09
  Glen: But the watchers, when you say watchers and fallen angels, you're talking about the same thing, right?
• 1:23:13
  Lydia: Yeah, but okay, but you're saying that the children of the watchers are the demons.
• 1:23:20
  Glen: Right.
• 1:23:20
  Lydia: That, you know, ever since Frank Paretti's books came out back in the 90s, this present darkness, and I'm sorry, I don't know where I stand on all that right now.
• 1:23:29
  Lydia: But those books make you think, and even okay, C.S.
• 1:23:34
  Lydia: Lewis's screw tape letters, that whole book will make you think these demons are, you know, acting upon humanity.
• 1:23:43
  Lydia: And when I think of the demon, I always thought it was the angels who followed Satan out of heaven, the angels who rebelled.
• 1:23:52
  Lydia: I thought that's who they were.
• 1:23:55
  Glen: No according to Enoch, no.
• 1:23:58
  Lydia: Right.
• 1:23:58
  Lydia: And that's a different, and maybe that's the framework that this question is within.
• 1:24:02
  Lydia: Okay, within Enoch, this is who they are, but why do I have the understanding that I have?
• 1:24:07
  Glen: That belief that uh both of us held until recently, it is completely based on assumption.
• 1:24:15
  Glen: Now, according to Enoch, it's the watchers are imprisoned.
• 1:24:20
  Lydia: Okay.
• 1:24:21
  Glen: So they're not out and about deceiving humanity, these fallen angels.
• 1:24:26
  Glen: They're imprisoned in chains waiting for judgment.
• 1:24:29
  Lydia: Okay.
• 1:24:30
  Glen: Right.
• 1:24:30
  Glen: And I say according to Enoch, but it's actually not just according to Enoch.
• 1:24:36
  Glen: In 1 Peter 3, 19 through 20, when Peter's talking about where Jesus went when he died for those few days, Peter says, He went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, because they formerly did not obey, when God's patients waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.
• 1:25:01
  Glen: So that's talking about the fallen angels being imprisoned.
• 1:25:06
  Glen: Uh, he talks about it again in 2 Peter 2, 4 through 5.
• 1:25:10
  Glen: He says, For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into Tartarus and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment.
• 1:25:21
  Glen: If he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly.
• 1:25:30
  Glen: So we know he's talking about the fallen angels again there.
• 1:25:33
  Glen: And then Jude talks about it too.
• 1:25:35
  Glen: In Jude 6, he says, And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day.
• 1:25:49
  Glen: All right, so that comes from our New Testament, not just Enoch.
• 1:25:53
  Lydia: Okay.
• 1:25:53
  Glen: So this idea of fallen angels being in prison is not just in Enoch.
• 1:26:00
  Lydia: All right.
• 1:26:01
  Glen: It's in our canon.
• 1:26:02
  Glen: So according to Enoch, Peter, and Jude, and there are other less direct mentions of it in the New Testament too.
• 1:26:11
  Glen: The fallen angels are currently imprisoned.
• 1:26:15
  Glen: And we'll talk more about that next week, but the children of those angels are doomed to roam the earth as spirits without bodies, having no home, and they torment the humans who do have bodies.
• 1:26:32
  Glen: The only mention of these children in our current canon is the passage from Genesis 6 that mentions Nephilim.
• 1:26:40
  Lydia: That's it?
• 1:26:41
  Glen: That's all.
• 1:26:42
  Lydia: Wow.
• 1:26:42
  Glen: But there is nothing in our current canon that explains the origins of demons.
• 1:26:49
  Lydia: And yet we clearly see a reference to demons all throughout the New Testament.
• 1:26:54
  Glen: Right.
• 1:26:54
  Glen: Because it was just assumed people knew what they were.
• 1:26:57
  Glen: And they didn't get that from the Old Testament.
• 1:27:00
  Glen: They got it from Enoch.
• 1:27:02
  Glen: They got it from Jubilees.
• 1:27:04
  Glen: They got it from the book of Giants.
• 1:27:05
  Glen: If you believe some angels followed a specific evil angel named Satan, then you're starting with an assumption.
• 1:27:15
  Glen: The idea that demons are Satan in his fallen angels is based solely on assumption and preconceived ideas, and it ignores all the other writings like Enoch.
• 1:27:28
  Glen: Satan isn't even a name.
• 1:27:31
  Glen: It's a description and sometimes a title.
• 1:27:34
  Glen: It means accuser.
• 1:27:36
  Lydia: Okay.
• 1:27:37
  Glen: Alright, it's a it's more of a description in the Old Testament, it's more of a title in the New Testament, it's never a name.
• 1:27:43
  Glen: It's someone who casts blame or speaks lies, a false accuser.
• 1:27:49
  Glen: If it was a specific angel, it would probably be Asia.
• 1:27:54
  Glen: He's the one who is singled out, both in Enoch as well as in.
• 1:27:59
  Glen: Leviticus.
• 1:28:01
  Glen: And he's also the only fallen angel to be held somewhere else, away from the watchers.
• 1:28:07
  Glen: Because in both Leviticus as well as in Enoch, the sins of humanity are placed on Asael.
• 1:28:14
  Glen: He was the worst.
• 1:28:16
  Glen: Alright, he's in the wilderness, and he wasn't even the leader of those fallen angels.
• 1:28:22
  Glen: That was Shemihazza.
• 1:28:23
  Glen: Alright?
• 1:28:25
  Glen: So people that think, oh, there's this devil named Satan, and he's the leader of the fallen angels, that's just not the way it is.
• 1:28:32
  Glen: In Matthew 4.10, when Jesus is being tempted in the wilderness, he actually calls that devil Satan.
• 1:28:39
  Glen: And there's only one fallen angel that is alone in the wilderness, Asiael.
• 1:28:46
  Glen: The others are in prison.
• 1:28:48
  Lydia: But the word Jesus uses is Satan.
• 1:28:51
  Lydia: Accuser.
• 1:28:53
  Glen: Right, Satan, which we say Satan.
• 1:28:56
  Glen: But these children of the watchers of these angels, they are genetically half angel.
• 1:29:03
  Glen: So saying that demons are angels is half right.
• 1:29:09
  Lydia: Yeah.
• 1:29:10
  Glen: Enoch calls them half-breeds and bastards.
• 1:29:13
  Glen: Um, as an example, think of Hercules in Greek and Roman mythology.
• 1:29:19
  Glen: They were familiar with this.
• 1:29:21
  Glen: He's the son of a god and a human woman, a half-breed.
• 1:29:26
  Glen: And he was so much stronger than the rest of humanity, they called him a demigod.
• 1:29:32
  Glen: As the myth goes, when he died, his divine half was separated from his human half.
• 1:29:40
  Glen: And Zeus, his dad, brought Hercules's immortal spirit up to Mount Olympus and made him a full-fledged god.
• 1:29:48
  Glen: Now, to me, seeing beliefs like this in ancient times in multiple religions, we see it in similar in Enoch, see it in Roman mythology, like multiple flood accounts, too, right?
• 1:30:04
  Glen: Yeah.
• 1:30:04
  Glen: And stuff like that.
• 1:30:05
  Glen: To me, it's evidence that there is some truth underlying these beliefs.
• 1:30:11
  Glen: I mean, they might all be a little bit different, but they all point to something that actually happened.
• 1:30:18
  Glen: It was their way of remembering it and explaining it.
• 1:30:21
  Glen: Different people have found different ways to explain an actual historical event.
• 1:30:27
  Glen: Of course, in contrast to Hercules, in the Enoch story, God banned the half-breeds from heaven and kept them here on earth until the final judgment.
• 1:30:39
  Lydia: Well, yeah, it's because they didn't go from zero to hero.
• 1:30:43
  Glen: Don't sing it.
• 1:30:44
  Glen: But God does that because nothing unclean is ever allowed to enter heaven.
• 1:30:52
  Glen: That's in Revelation 21, 27.
• 1:30:55
  Glen: And now all those half-breeds do is lie and cause suffering for humanity.
• 1:31:03
  Glen: They're a big bunch of liars, is all they are.
• 1:31:07
  Glen: And we fall for their lies because we elevate human knowledge and we quench the Holy Spirit.
• 1:31:15
  Glen: We despise prophecies.
• 1:31:17
  Glen: When we need to be testing everything according to love, and holding fast to what is good, and abstaining from evil.
• 1:31:26
  Glen: I see your grin.
• 1:31:28
  Glen: 1 Thessalonians 5.
• 1:31:31
  Lydia: It's a good one.
• 1:31:34
  Glen: The song for this week is Liar by Jelly Roll.
• 1:31:38
  Glen: He says, I let you drive around my mind.
• 1:31:42
  Glen: I can't count the times you made me feel like I'm nothing.
• 1:31:46
  Glen: You played me like a fool.
• 1:31:48
  Glen: You burned me one too many times, like a devil in disguise, hiding your true colors.
• 1:31:54
  Glen: Just leave me alone.
• 1:31:56
  Glen: Keep leading me on.
• 1:31:57
  Glen: If I was doing what you do, then you would swear I poisoned you.
• 1:32:02
  Glen: You're saying drink another whiskey, pop another pill, money makes you happy, heaven isn't real.
• 1:32:08
  Glen: You won't find anybody to love because your heart's too broke.
• 1:32:13
  Glen: But now I know.
• 1:32:16
  Glen: You ain't nothing but a liar.
• 1:32:19
  Glen: I walk right out of the fire.
• 1:32:23
  Glen: Yeah, you try to keep me down, try to put me underground, but I'm only going higher.
• 1:32:29
  Glen: I can hear you in my head, in my bed when I'm dreaming.
• 1:32:34
  Glen: You try to be my friend, but you're blowing smoke.
• 1:32:37
  Glen: But now, I'm not scared of you.
• 1:32:41
  Glen: Telling you where you can go.
• 1:32:44
  Glen: Because I know you're nothing but a liar.
• 1:32:48
  Glen: Next week, the holy angels take Enoch on a journey of the heavens.
• 1:32:56
  Glen: And he gets to know the archangels on a first name basis.
• 1:33:01
  Glen: And we're gonna see how all of this ties into John's book of Revelation.
• 1:33:09
  Glen: We'll see you then.
• 1:33:11
  Glen: Sounds good.
• 1:33:12
  Glen: Bye.
• 1:33:13
  Lydia: Bye.