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The Undying Legend of Nang Nak · Tales from Incredible Tales

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Speaker 1: You take your hand and just cover this side, so
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Speaker 1: it felt like someone was next to me after my
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Speaker 1: dad passed on, um, and it happened for, I think
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Speaker 1: a month plus.
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Speaker 1: My name is ET.
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Speaker 2: My name is. My name is Wayne. My name is Kyle,
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Speaker 2: and this is Tales from Incredible Tales. Our guest for
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Speaker 2: this episode is Eugene Toh, better known as ET. ET
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Speaker 2: is the co-host of Radio Paranormal Singapore. RPS details, discusses,
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Speaker 2: and dissects. True paranormal.
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Speaker 2: And ghost stories, providing reasonable and conventional explanations to the
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Speaker 2: most extraordinary experiences where possible. ET, welcome back to the show, man.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back.
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Speaker 1: Thank you guys. Thank you for having me back.
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Speaker 2: How's the new
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Speaker 2: set? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: nice. I like I like it very cozy, you know, um,
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Speaker 1: like I said, it feels colder. It's definitely not a
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Speaker 1: cold
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Speaker 2: spot, but, uh.
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Speaker 1: It's a bit cooler, cooler,
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Speaker 2: yeah,
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Speaker 2: so fun for me, so fun for me. Do we
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Speaker 2: need to bring in like an EMF monitor or anything
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Speaker 2: on here just to
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Speaker 1: feels OK so far, but everywhere is EMF.
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Speaker 2: It's all about EMF.
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Speaker 2: Tonight we take a look at the heartbreaking yet haunting
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Speaker 2: history of Mena Prakanon, better known these days as Nangn,
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Speaker 2: one of the most well-known ghost stories from Thailand. This
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Speaker 2: episode's topic is inspired by the original Incredible Tales episode,
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Speaker 2: Lucid Dreaming. The legend supposedly dates back to around the
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Speaker 2: 18th century. Mark, the husband of a woman named Nang Nak,
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Speaker 2: was conscripted and sent to war while she was pregnant.
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Speaker 2: Nang Nak died during childbirth, but her love for Mark
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Speaker 2: was so strong that her spirit refused to rest. When
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Speaker 2: Mark returned, the spirit of Nang Nak along with their baby,
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Speaker 2: were waiting for him. The other villagers tried to warn
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Speaker 2: Mark that his wife was a ghost until one day
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Speaker 2: while she was cooking, Nang Nak accidentally dropped a lime.
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Speaker 2: When reaching for it, her arms stretched to an unnatural length.
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Speaker 2: Mark saw this and immediately ran to the nearest temple.
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Speaker 2: Nang Nak was so heartbroken.
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Speaker 2: But also angry and terrorized the entire community. It was
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Speaker 2: only when a rivet monk arrived to help Nang Nak
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Speaker 2: let go of her life that she was finally able
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Speaker 2: to move on. Her body was cremated, but a piece
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Speaker 2: of her forehead bone was forged into an amulet. When
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Speaker 2: did you first hear about this legend and what were
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Speaker 2: your initial thoughts?
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Speaker 1: OK, um, long ago, I remember there was this movie
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Speaker 1: called Nang Nang,
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Speaker 2: yeah,
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Speaker 1: so then from there, then I start to read up
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Speaker 1: and stuff like that, um.
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Speaker 1: So you know all these um legends or old wives' tale,
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Speaker 1: but why Nang Nang uh uh um it's so interesting,
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Speaker 1: it's because it's not just a legend like a Puntana
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Speaker 1: or something like that. They actually actually uh constructed a
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Speaker 1: shrine just for her, right, and then it's in uh Bangkok,
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Speaker 1: busy Bangkok, so, um.
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Speaker 1: What I feel is the story behind it. I wouldn't
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Speaker 1: say feel of piety, but, but the love for husband,
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Speaker 1: that family bond, and I think that's what keeps or
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Speaker 1: or or at least the Thais want to go back
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Speaker 1: because that's something they really reveal. That that love for
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Speaker 1: someone it's it's unbreakable, that even if someone goes to
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Speaker 1: the Nether Worlds, that love doesn't get destroyed.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I remember watching the film.
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Speaker 2: And that part when he realizes that the wife was
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Speaker 2: a spirit all along is quite, it was quite heartbreaking lah.
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Speaker 2: It was quite sad, it was quite sad romantic, but
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Speaker 2: it's romantic yeah, but it's creepy because they got there
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Speaker 2: were scenes of her feeding him like rats or something,
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Speaker 2: but he thinks that it's a it's a it's a.
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Speaker 2: Cooked by her lah, but actually it's not because she's
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Speaker 2: she can la, yeah. So there's that line of creepiness
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Speaker 2: yet love, which I feel like, yeah, I think a
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Speaker 2: lot of the ties they can resonate with.
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Speaker 1: So interestingly is what she actually did was, I think
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Speaker 1: she created this other world for him because it all
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Speaker 1: looked like you were saying like the food and everything perfect,
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Speaker 1: but when he eventually came to the realization that she
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Speaker 1: was not human.
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Speaker 1: Reality set into him and he actually saw the reality
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Speaker 1: of the state of the house. It was a mess.
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Speaker 1: It was in the slums and then they were I
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Speaker 1: think if I'm not wrong, there were cockroaches and insects
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Speaker 1: all around the place. So it was interesting on the
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Speaker 1: level that she could have conjured something to make him
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Speaker 1: totally feel like he was in another world. Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: you know, in those times there were no AI, right?
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Speaker 1: It's really quite, quite amazing how how she did it
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Speaker 2: lah. I didn't
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Speaker 2: watch the movie first, but it was because of the
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Speaker 2: movie that I heard about the legend, and I was like,
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Speaker 2: It was only after I heard about Legend that I thought, OK,
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Speaker 2: maybe now I can actually watch it because it actually
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Speaker 2: does sound.
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Speaker 2: Romantic in a weird way, it's very sweet. Romantic is
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Speaker 2: the wrong word, but it's very sweet. I'll come back
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Speaker 2: from the dead for you. Yeah, but yes, it, it's,
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Speaker 2: it's a very sweet story and it almost seems like
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Speaker 2: you said, like it's it's that familial bond kind of
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Speaker 2: thing and it almost, it feels.
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Speaker 2: Less like a ghost story and more like this almost
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Speaker 2: this universal tale of how strong the family can be.
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Speaker 2: So that's, I think that was the end for me
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Speaker 2: where I was like, oh, it's not just a ghost story.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, OK, cool, I can deal with that. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I agree. I think in Malay, right, um, usually there's
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Speaker 2: these stories where people, you know, like, for example, you've
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Speaker 2: been married for a very long time and then, um,
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Speaker 2: it's because of grief, you know, your wife died, your
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Speaker 2: your wife passed away, and then because of grief, you know,
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Speaker 2: all these kind of like
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Speaker 2: You know, spirits will try to, you know, disturb you
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Speaker 2: and you try to pretend to be your ex-wife, your
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Speaker 2: undead wife, stuff like that. So I think, yeah, I
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Speaker 2: think it's.
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Speaker 2: It's more to like live when you love someone too much,
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Speaker 2: I think.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so to add on further, um, besides the legend
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Speaker 1: and everything, um, in the paranormal world when we do investigation,
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Speaker 1: this is likely what we call a residual haunting where
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Speaker 1: someone dies very violently, suddenly, a lot of emotions are involved.
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Speaker 1: So you imagine you put yourself in an emotional state,
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Speaker 1: you know, you're going to give birth and then you,
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Speaker 1: you missing your husband so much.
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Speaker 1: And then at that point in time, both mother and
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Speaker 1: child sadly passed on. I think there was a lot
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Speaker 1: of emotions that was trapped in that in that area,
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Speaker 1: in that time and space. So, um, this is what
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Speaker 1: we term residual haunting, uh, which is similar to that
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Speaker 1: of the Puntana legend as well, um, a lady passing
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Speaker 1: on during childbirth, because I think in the past it
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Speaker 1: was pretty common. Now of course it it's not. So
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Speaker 1: maybe that's why we have lesser Puntanas and
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Speaker 1: Uh, uh, you know, I can say it so seriously
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Speaker 2: you make it sound like, oh, the job market's not
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Speaker 2: like a problem, right? The market not good.
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Speaker 1: So, yeah, and you know, added the fact that the
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Speaker 1: husband was on the brink of death and then he
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Speaker 1: coming back, you know, and being so happy, imagine it,
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Speaker 1: you know, like if you've seen those videos of the
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Speaker 1: Marines after fighting that they're doing their duty, coming back,
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Speaker 1: seeing their loved ones, you know, they were tear and
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Speaker 1: hug and everything. It's amazing how he felt that it was,
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Speaker 1: maybe it was his emotions as well. He was brought
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Speaker 1: back almost at the brink of death, he was brought back,
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Speaker 1: so maybe everything just came into part and that's why
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Speaker 1: this legend came about that.
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Speaker 1: You know, uh, uh, somehow he felt that everything was real.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think it's, it's a, it's a very Asian thing.
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Speaker 2: The whole idea of, uh, this, you know, love, loved
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Speaker 2: ones coming back, you know, to take care of you
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Speaker 2: because she's still, you know, take care of him, right,
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Speaker 2: you know, and the baby, uh, I, I think it's,
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Speaker 2: it's something that's very special, uh, in our culture, la, yeah,
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Speaker 2: and you know, it goes across like potana then, um,
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Speaker 2: to some extent I would say like residual hauntings.
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Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you like, uh, during your time of,
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Speaker 2: you know, in the investigations, have you ever like met
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Speaker 2: a spirit that's similar to Nang or like encountered something
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Speaker 2: that's similar
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Speaker 2: to this?
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Speaker 1: Honestly, not really, um, not the same. Um, I mean,
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Speaker 1: I had this experience of my own dad when my
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Speaker 1: dad passed on, uh, due to liver cancer and he
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Speaker 1: passed away on my final exams in 2002. So,
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Speaker 1: Not so much like that, but you know, when, when
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Speaker 1: you suddenly one side of your ears, there's no sound.
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Speaker 1: You you take your hand and you just cover this side,
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Speaker 1: so it felt like someone was next to me after
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Speaker 1: my dad's passed on, um, and it happened for, I
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Speaker 1: think a month plus and sometimes I do have dreams,
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Speaker 1: I see my dad.
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Speaker 1: Standing next to me, not speaking a word, which is
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Speaker 1: in line with uh what what uh researchers have found
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Speaker 1: out in the astroplane, when we are in the astroplane
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Speaker 1: um or or entities, they generally cannot speak, they can't talk,
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Speaker 1: but they can transmit feelings because it's what we call
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Speaker 1: the point of conscience. Um, they can't speak because the
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Speaker 1: voice box is no longer there.
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Speaker 1: So, you know, so then that, I mean, sometimes that's
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Speaker 1: how you determine whether it's a dream or or something
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Speaker 1: else because they can't speak the voice boxes it's not there,
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Speaker 1: uh uh uh emotions aren't really there, but you can,
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Speaker 1: if you understand what I mean, you can feel.
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Speaker 1: The feeling or or the message they're trying to transmit. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so in that case, I mean, I think it was
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Speaker 1: my dad, I'm not sure, but after 1.5 months, 40+ days,
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Speaker 1: I think it was maybe 45, 49 days, um, that
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Speaker 1: sensation just left.
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Speaker 1: So I figured maybe it's my dad just hanging around,
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Speaker 1: watching over me, make sure everything's OK. I could feel sadness. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so not so much.
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Speaker 1: Uh, like the way it was with Nang Nang, but
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Speaker 1: someone somewhat similar.
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Speaker 2: Funny you would say that it's 49 days, you know, right,
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Speaker 2: the Chinese believe, uh, TT Tian 77 times 7 times 7, right?
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Speaker 2: I do. I'm trying to do the math, but 7
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Speaker 2: times 7, after a person died, they move on to
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Speaker 2: another plane.
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Speaker 2: So that's the usually the spirit will linger around the world. Oh,
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Speaker 2: it's 4 days. They said there's the 7 days and
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Speaker 2: then there's the 49 days.
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Speaker 1: Why I say 49, I can't remember the exact number,
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Speaker 1: but I remember it's more than a month, and then
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Speaker 1: it felt like maybe a week plus, so it adds
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Speaker 1: up to about
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Speaker 2: about there. I do wonder like how much of it
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Speaker 2: is our own emotions that we put into this, how
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Speaker 2: much of it is us.
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Speaker 2: Building that that world with the spirits as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's why, um, many times hauntings occur where
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Speaker 1: there's very high levels of emotion and and, you know,
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Speaker 1: feelings and everything and that's how um
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Speaker 1: I think in the past where there were a lot
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Speaker 1: of wars and everything, and then it reoccurs, it reoccurs,
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Speaker 1: it reoccurs because that emotion is trapped in that time
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Speaker 1: and space. You can't really travel. So that's why if, uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, sadly some people end their life.
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Speaker 1: It is not the point where they started, but it's
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Speaker 1: the point where they ended.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is too deep for me.
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Speaker 2: Here we thought we're just gonna be talking about like
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Speaker 2: one ghost story, yeah, but I think it is, it's
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Speaker 2: a lot deeper than that, the philosophical element of the,
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Speaker 2: the love, because love is, is the, I guess the
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Speaker 2: tying emotion for everything else. It is, it is, yeah,
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Speaker 2: just like horror, right? Yeah, I mean, it's a very
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Speaker 2: good point also because if you like you said, you know,
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Speaker 2: Legend of Pontian and everything, it's like she died during
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Speaker 2: childbirth like.
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Speaker 2: That that pain comes from somewhere. It's not hatred. It's,
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Speaker 2: it's that sadness and that sadness is tied into love
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Speaker 2: for a kid, yeah,
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Speaker 1: because you mentioned Nan is a beautiful romance story because
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Speaker 1: it's not, it didn't just end at love to, you know,
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Speaker 1: it went beyond that, yeah, so I think it's a, yeah,
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Speaker 1: a lovely, uh, Valentine's Day movie to watch.
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Speaker 2: OK.
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Speaker 2: OK, anyway, speaking of, uh, movies, there are many movies
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Speaker 2: about Nang Nang. According to the Thailand Foundation website, right,
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Speaker 2: the first film about her was made in 1936, though
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Speaker 2: we couldn't find any article in English to collaborate this, but, uh,
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Speaker 2: a number of sources, however, cite that Mei Nang Pra Canon,
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Speaker 2: a 1959 Thai film directed by Rangi Tansana Paya as
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Speaker 2: the first.
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Speaker 2: That means that the legend has been going around and
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Speaker 2: being retold for at least during the initial boom of
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Speaker 2: Southeast Asian films. Why do you think that this like
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Speaker 2: trend has endured till now.
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Speaker 1: I mean, in Asia, right, um, we always uh revere
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Speaker 1: supernatural for a few reasons. One is an interesting tale. Next,
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Speaker 1: that's how you make your kids come home early,
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Speaker 2: right,
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Speaker 1: which is exactly in the legend. I mean, I can't
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Speaker 1: speak Thai, but then the, the mom will say, you
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Speaker 1: better come home early, ah, tell you to come back late.
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Speaker 1: Nang Nang will come and put chili sauce and mak
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Speaker 1: on you.
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Speaker 1: So apparently that is the legend that she would eat
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Speaker 1: the kids with chili sauce.
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Speaker 2: No way, really? Oh
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Speaker 1: yeah, I saw it in one article.
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Speaker 2: Oh,
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Speaker 2: before you go on, which specific type of chili sauce
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe she like garlic,
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Speaker 1: can't be the, the, the Thai spicy seafood because they
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Speaker 1: want for seafood food lah
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Speaker 2: so you
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Speaker 2: know it's chili and she will eat it with that.
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Speaker 2: Hey man, he's a paranormal researcher. OK, that is very
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Speaker 2: Southeast Asian. wait wait wait wait. I'm gonna eat some people.
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Speaker 2: Let me put some chili first. I need spice. I
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Speaker 2: need flavor flavor. I didn't know that though. I didn't
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Speaker 2: know that that.
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Speaker 2: That's what they told kids like yeah,
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Speaker 1: so I saw this article. I was Chile. This is
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Speaker 1: the first time I see because the American, the, you know, boogeyman, everything,
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Speaker 1: they just come for you,
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Speaker 2: yeah,
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Speaker 1: so, but it's
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Speaker 2: true.
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Speaker 2: I think in in Malay believe like, you know, like
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Speaker 2: usually our parents will scare us, right? They will say like, oh,
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Speaker 2: better be back before Margrave Margrave is, I think, dust, right?
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Speaker 2: Be better be back before Margrave or if not the,
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Speaker 2: you know, the Hantu uh will hide you la.
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Speaker 2: The Hantu, the breast hntu. Oh yeah, not Hantu Gala.
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Speaker 2: I have no idea, but usually it's it's Han Hantu
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Speaker 2: is always, um,
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Speaker 1: my parents used to tell me don't play hide and
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Speaker 1: seek behind the curtains.
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Speaker 1: Then the will, you know, caress you because of the
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Speaker 1: young you scared la, maybe older, you don't
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Speaker 2: if you want to buy curtain.
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Speaker 1: No,
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Speaker 2: don't hide hide you want to see and see. I mean,
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Speaker 2: but I was legit scared by it, you know,
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Speaker 2: I was legit. Funnily enough, that that was the only
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Speaker 2: one that didn't frighten me. So they, they planted like,
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Speaker 2: like my mom, right, used to like my mom, my
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Speaker 2: uh old great grandmother, right, they used to plant this
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Speaker 2: ideology in my head, right? Oh, better be back before dusk,
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Speaker 2: yeah,
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Speaker 1: so that's, that's, that's how I still come about is
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Speaker 1: to control.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, you know, that's why superstition is something that's
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Speaker 1: so strong in Asian culture because we love talking about it.
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Speaker 1: It's something you spread and then it's a nice story
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Speaker 1: to listen and then, you know, the parents get to
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Speaker 1: control the kids, everyone is happy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, terrified. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So
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Speaker 1: I think that's why it keeps going and it will
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Speaker 1: never end because humans are like that, which is, I mean,
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Speaker 1: in the past where we used to lead tours. When
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Speaker 1: I get too technical, it's boring because you know why
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Speaker 1: humans want to get scared but they're scared of getting scared.
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Speaker 1: It's like eating chili.
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Speaker 1: Uh yes, you like the spice, but you but you
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Speaker 1: still want to want to have the spice.
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Speaker 2: Do you think like Nang has a certain kind of
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Speaker 2: chili threshold where she's like, No, no, this one a
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Speaker 2: bit too spicy for me?
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Speaker 1: No, but you see, that's the thing, that's the thing
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Speaker 1: the parents said to the kids, but whether Nang Nang
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Speaker 1: really used chili, I don't think so, because apparently she
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Speaker 1: just went around terrorizing the villagers, so she probably like
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Speaker 1: scared them. I don't know if there were any killings, um,
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Speaker 1: I can't remember.
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Speaker 1: Um, from the, from the legend, but I remember it
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Speaker 1: was just terrorizing, uh, so that means just scaring, but
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Speaker 1: so the parents, they want to add some spice la,
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Speaker 1: so they let go. From
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Speaker 2: what I've managed to see so far, it's never she
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Speaker 2: will kill.
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Speaker 2: It's always, she will frightened, she will terrorize, she will
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Speaker 2: scare the crap out of you, but she will never
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Speaker 2: kill because it's not.
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Speaker 2: Vengeance per se, it's
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Speaker 1: anger. Yeah, in fact, I don't think she will kill
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Speaker 1: because I think she will, she's probably emotional already that
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Speaker 1: she lost her own child and her own life. I
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Speaker 1: think she was just there.
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Speaker 1: To make sure that she could remain with her husband
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Speaker 1: throughout her, you know,
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Speaker 2: that it's more like she will kill you if you
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Speaker 2: hurt the husband, probably, yeah, like she's like a protector,
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Speaker 2: I guess. That's why at the end of the movie
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Speaker 2: became an amulet so that a part of her is
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Speaker 2: always with the husband.
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Speaker 1: So apparently the amulet was made from a bone from
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Speaker 1: a skull and it's supposed to permanently allow her to
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Speaker 1: be released into the Netherlands. And apparently that that the artifact,
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Speaker 1: it's still around somewhere it's been passed down. It was
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Speaker 1: first given to a prince or something or princess and
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Speaker 1: then it it got, I mean, there was no documentation
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Speaker 1: after that, but it, it, it probably is still around.
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Speaker 2: That's, that's the, that's the other thing I really love
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Speaker 2: about this legend is this idea that the amulet is
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Speaker 2: still out there somewhere and somebody has a hold of it.
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Speaker 2: But what do you think the amulet got powers or
17:58
Speaker 2: I mean, I, I, I definitely feel that there will
18:00
Speaker 2: be power la because the, the spirit and the emotion
18:03
Speaker 2: is so strong, uh, and the ties, they, they do, they.
18:07
Speaker 2: I won't say it's necromancy, but they, they always have this, uh,
18:11
Speaker 2: very close relationship with death. So I'm not surprised that
18:15
Speaker 2: this thing will still have power. Uh, the question is
18:18
Speaker 2: which one is the real one? because everybody will be
18:21
Speaker 2: trying because Thai amulets, the good ones are they sell
18:25
Speaker 2: for a lot of money.
18:26
Speaker 1: There's a whole
18:26
Speaker 1: market for it because some of those expensive amulets have
18:29
Speaker 1: got illegal stuff inside like
18:31
Speaker 2: things that
18:32
Speaker 1: are from
18:33
Speaker 2: humans from
18:34
Speaker 1: humans.
18:37
Speaker 2: Very very not safe for one, but like, yeah, it's
18:39
Speaker 2: essentially that lah. So there there's a line there's a
18:42
Speaker 2: line between that. That's why I say they are very
18:44
Speaker 2: close to death because they can use certain things to
18:47
Speaker 2: empower certain things. I had no idea that certain time.
18:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's why it's expensive and that's why it's
18:57
Speaker 2: also it's a question of whether, where did you get it. Yeah, yeah,
19:01
Speaker 2: it's it's a big question.
19:04
Speaker 1: So it's a bit like, you know, squid games, right.
19:09
Speaker 2: Go on to
19:10
Speaker 2: the
19:12
Speaker 1: organs, you know, so it's similar, but it is, um, actually,
19:18
Speaker 1: I mean, from what I understand the amulets.
19:20
Speaker 1: I think the the one that's more valuable are the
19:22
Speaker 1: ones from either newborn babies or stillborn babies that are
19:26
Speaker 1: and as fresh as possible. This is what I heard, yeah,
19:32
Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day all these amulets, um,
19:34
Speaker 1: or like let's talk about the one in the story.
19:38
Speaker 1: It's a bone, right? Um, humans are tangible beings. Sometimes
19:43
Speaker 1: you need to focus your prayer or your spell on something.
19:46
Speaker 1: So it's all psychological, I feel sometimes. It may not
19:49
Speaker 1: be anything, but because we are tangible beings, we don't see,
19:53
Speaker 1: we don't touch it, it's very hard to to to
19:55
Speaker 1: do something. But when you have actual things you put
19:58
Speaker 1: in a cauldron or you put beds and everything, then
20:01
Speaker 1: it becomes visual and then
20:04
Speaker 1: I think that that raises up your own chi or
20:06
Speaker 1: your own energy and then that's why it's so-called powerful lah,
20:11
Speaker 1: but actually it may actually have just a placebo effect.
20:14
Speaker 1: It's just for you to focus on.
20:16
Speaker 2: Actually there is a there is a growing trend. I
20:19
Speaker 2: don't know if you guys know about this like on
20:21
Speaker 2: the whole bone thing, right? Apparently now, right, uh, you
20:24
Speaker 2: can take your loved ones, the, the ashes, and then
20:27
Speaker 2: you can make it jewelry jewelry like rings and all
20:31
Speaker 2: diamond diamond
20:32
Speaker 1: diamond
20:33
Speaker 2: diamond like.
20:35
Speaker 2: I don't want to become a diamond. Come on. Just
20:37
Speaker 2: let me, let me be free. I don't want to
20:39
Speaker 2: be an accessory. I, I, I wouldn't want to become
20:42
Speaker 2: a diamond just in case I get lost. Is it
20:44
Speaker 2: very creepy? It's creepy, no. I I actually don't want
20:47
Speaker 2: to be a person. I actually don't find that very
20:50
Speaker 2: creepy because it's not like you make it into a
20:51
Speaker 2: diamond and just.
20:52
Speaker 2: Giving it to somebody else, you know, it's not like, nah,
20:54
Speaker 2: who knows, here's, here's my, here's my dead husband enjoy
20:58
Speaker 2: the ring or something like that. Who knows one day
20:59
Speaker 2: later like they might sell or whatnot. Yeah, exactly. I
21:03
Speaker 2: gotta be honest, if my wife is selling the diamond
21:06
Speaker 2: made out of my remains, right, we got bigger problems.
21:10
Speaker 2: It's, it's no longer about us like you, you're really,
21:12
Speaker 2: you're boning me.
21:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, but don't forget all those precious gems that we have,
21:17
Speaker 1: even like your marvel and everything, they were all life
21:20
Speaker 1: creatures in the past. So it's actually the same thing
21:23
Speaker 1: but not humans, we don't know or we don't know
21:26
Speaker 1: we don't know because maybe the human fell under a
21:29
Speaker 1: dinosaur died.
21:33
Speaker 2: So part of it which episode of Flipstones.
21:37
Speaker 2: Nice, nice. Um, OK, since we're, since we're talking about
21:39
Speaker 2: slightly more logical things now, uh, moving on, um, there
21:43
Speaker 2: was a Thai historian, I apologize if I'm mispronouncing his name,
21:47
Speaker 2: Anne Nai Kamul was researching the legend and found out
21:51
Speaker 2: that the oldest mention of Nang N or any of
21:53
Speaker 2: her variations was in an article from 1899.
21:58
Speaker 2: So Nari Kamo wrote that quote, A woman named Amdaing Nak,
22:03
Speaker 2: living with her husband Chu near the mouth of the
22:05
Speaker 2: Prakanong River, died in childbirth. Chu buried her in the
22:09
Speaker 2: cemetery of Maha Busaya Temple. No ghosts appeared, but the
22:15
Speaker 2: older son, fearing that his father would remarry and lose
22:18
Speaker 2: their wealth, devised a plan to prevent any such intentions.
22:22
Speaker 2: He hired men to throw stones at boat people near
22:25
Speaker 2: the cemetery.
22:26
Speaker 2: And dressed himself up in women's clothes and terrorize the
22:29
Speaker 2: villagers as his mother's ghost.
22:32
Speaker 2: The son later confessed, end quote, as someone who tries
22:36
Speaker 2: to find the non-supernatural reasons behind seemingly supernatural phenomena.
22:41
Speaker 2: How do you feel about uncovering the truth of legends
22:43
Speaker 2: that are this old? Do you think like it's worth
22:46
Speaker 2: digging into it, or is it something that's, you know,
22:48
Speaker 2: just best
22:49
Speaker 1: left? I mean, this is interesting,
22:51
Speaker 2: right? It really is.
22:52
Speaker 1: So I never knew there was another kid.
22:54
Speaker 2: Yeah,
22:55
Speaker 1: yeah, but did they say how old this kid was?
22:57
Speaker 2: I mean, he's old enough to organize
22:59
Speaker 1: that is, that is my point, like how, how, I mean,
23:02
Speaker 1: how did he convince these people to do this?
23:05
Speaker 1: You know, it's not a normal prank, you know. You
23:07
Speaker 1: have to convince grown men to dress up as females.
23:10
Speaker 1: That's one. So,
23:12
Speaker 2: OK, so apparently he, he hired grown men to throw stones.
23:15
Speaker 2: He dressed
23:16
Speaker 2: up as he
23:17
Speaker 1: dressed up. Oh, he must be quite tall, ah, can't
23:20
Speaker 1: be a small kid. Yeah, and how did he have
23:22
Speaker 1: money to pay these guys to throw stones?
23:25
Speaker 1: Yeah
23:27
Speaker 2: apparently, yeah, because he's so he he was very worried
23:30
Speaker 2: that his dad's wealth would go to whoever it is
23:32
Speaker 2: that remarried. So the dad must have had decent enough
23:36
Speaker 2: amount of money.
23:37
Speaker 1: So I think, so if this was really true, I think.
23:41
Speaker 1: It doesn't have much impact because everyone would still want
23:44
Speaker 1: to believe the legend of Nang because it's such a
23:46
Speaker 1: beautiful story with a shrine, everything. It's like I said,
23:49
Speaker 1: it's also tangible. If maybe the shrine wasn't there, maybe
23:53
Speaker 1: it might be a bit different because people have been worshiping,
23:56
Speaker 1: you know, or giving offerings. So even with this story,
23:59
Speaker 1: you probably be brushed aside. Ah no, this one just
24:02
Speaker 1: someone just came out with this tale.
24:04
Speaker 1: You know, that's what I think. But I think it's
24:07
Speaker 1: really interesting, but if it's only for one source, we
24:10
Speaker 1: don't know how real it is until, I mean, I
24:12
Speaker 1: don't know how we can go back and then find
24:14
Speaker 1: out that is it true or not, but honestly, asking
24:18
Speaker 1: someone like me that always have to analyze stories.
24:22
Speaker 1: It's a bit, I feel like it's it's a bit
24:25
Speaker 1: tough to believe this because I think it's not easy
24:29
Speaker 1: to carry out what he carried out. Yeah, because to
24:33
Speaker 1: terrorize villagers, one kid, I think every day do was
24:38
Speaker 1: so tired, and then you need to hire these fellows,
24:42
Speaker 1: motivate the guy to come every day, throw the stone,
24:44
Speaker 1: how to motivate the fellas every day like that. Even
24:47
Speaker 1: I think even army officers have problems trying to motivate
24:49
Speaker 1: their fellas.
24:50
Speaker 1: You, these guys are probably not paid. Yeah, maybe he's
24:53
Speaker 1: a damn good cook or chef or what maybe, and
24:56
Speaker 1: then he pays them with food, but I feel it
24:58
Speaker 1: is difficult to carry it out. So
25:09
Speaker 2: yeah, my theory shift work. So I still need to
25:09
Speaker 2: yeah I mean there's there's the whole logistics of paying
25:11
Speaker 2: them and let's just assume that he's a good chef
25:13
Speaker 2: and everything, but maybe he.
25:15
Speaker 2: It, it's, you got a few people and then like
25:19
Speaker 2: from say 9 to
25:20
Speaker 1: 12 because you don't forget the entire village, you know,
25:24
Speaker 1: it sounds like a big place.
25:25
Speaker 2: It, it, it does and it sounds like you
25:27
Speaker 2: need like
25:28
Speaker 1: a lot
25:28
Speaker 2: of
25:28
Speaker 1: people. You need a whole platoon
25:32
Speaker 2: and for me it's like how do you keep it
25:34
Speaker 2: quiet after that? Yeah, because I imagine,
25:42
Speaker 1: and how did, yeah, exactly, it's like um uh ghost yeah,
25:42
Speaker 1: I think I, I feel um.
25:45
Speaker 1: One of the rare times I would still go for
25:47
Speaker 1: the legend. I mean, team always try to get it
25:49
Speaker 1: out of me, but I would still go for the
25:51
Speaker 1: legend of Nang Nang then this logical story.
25:57
Speaker 2: I think the, the, the logical one they never say
26:00
Speaker 2: what ended up happening, right? They never said, OK, if
26:03
Speaker 2: it's really documented, right, and those, those, those were the
26:07
Speaker 2: days of monarchy, and if you get caught something bad
26:10
Speaker 2: will happen to you like you get reported to the authorities,
26:13
Speaker 2: bye bye. I mean.
26:16
Speaker 2: Technically did he really do anything?
26:18
Speaker 2: Overtly illegal, yeah, but those were the days. Those were
26:21
Speaker 2: the days you don't have a court. You don't have
26:23
Speaker 2: a that's the only court of opinion is the people. Yeah,
26:27
Speaker 2: maybe they get the guy got stoned instead, you know,
26:30
Speaker 2: like stoned by the villages. You try to scare us
26:32
Speaker 2: with ghosts, we stone you or something like that, you know,
26:35
Speaker 2: it was 181899, right? So anything could happen.
26:39
Speaker 2: I mean, it would be funny if they sold him
26:41
Speaker 2: and then he came back as a ghost. Yeah, exactly.
26:44
Speaker 2: He sold me a shrine to Nang Nak has been
26:46
Speaker 2: erected on Sukhumvit Soi 77 for anyone who wants to
26:50
Speaker 2: avoid military conscription. In your experience, how often do ghost
26:56
Speaker 2: stories and legends like this transcend to an almost religious level?
27:01
Speaker 1: OK, I guess now it's a bit different. Like I said, maybe,
27:04
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lack of hantuss nowadays. So, uh,
27:08
Speaker 1: you know, you will move with the times, right?
27:10
Speaker 1: So, um, it's a lot like those
27:14
Speaker 2: cult,
27:15
Speaker 1: you make people believe, I think it's something like that
27:18
Speaker 1: and then it becomes a huge thing. Um, it is
27:22
Speaker 1: about playing with people's human and I mean that their
27:26
Speaker 1: emotions and and their psychology to motivate them to want
27:29
Speaker 1: to believe. At the end of the day, you think
27:30
Speaker 1: about it, I mean, all due due respects to all religions.
27:36
Speaker 1: Think about it. What gives faith? Have you seen it?
27:39
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm saying that because I, I have my
27:41
Speaker 1: own faith as well, right? I'm I'm Catholic, um, but
27:44
Speaker 1: all I'm saying is that sometimes we think of it
27:46
Speaker 1: in a scientific point of view, faith is something that
27:49
Speaker 1: drives us. So how do you create that faith is
27:51
Speaker 1: by convincing, which is why now you have all those scammers.
27:55
Speaker 1: It is about toying with human senses, your eyes, and
28:00
Speaker 1: it's dealing with their weaknesses.
28:04
Speaker 1: Where do you, when you ask the three of you guys,
28:06
Speaker 1: when do you feel the most religious or you need
28:07
Speaker 1: to have a religion?
28:09
Speaker 1: When you're in trouble, right? Right? That is where you're
28:12
Speaker 1: the most vulnerable.
28:14
Speaker 1: And if I'm some someone that wants to start a religion,
28:19
Speaker 1: That's where I'll find, I'll go out there, there will
28:20
Speaker 1: be places where people will be sitting down, talking about
28:24
Speaker 1: their stress and having a beer and then that's where
28:27
Speaker 1: the guard is let down and that's why you're going
28:29
Speaker 1: for the attack. So, I think it's something like that. So,
28:33
Speaker 1: in the past, I think information was not so easy.
28:36
Speaker 1: They never had iPads and stuff. Uh, it was all
28:39
Speaker 1: from word of mouth. So, you know, you play that game,
28:42
Speaker 1: a broken telephone, uh, sometimes that's how it gets uh
28:46
Speaker 1: modified along the way.
28:48
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, uh, in the past,
28:50
Speaker 1: people here, they have no form of verification, then it
28:55
Speaker 1: becomes a big thing and then it becomes religious. That
28:58
Speaker 1: that's how I feel like psychological.
29:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it does make sense in this case, especially
29:02
Speaker 2: when you talk about, you know, you don't want to
29:04
Speaker 2: get conscripted to the army. That's like you said, it's
29:08
Speaker 2: a point where you're feeling vulnerable, it's a point where
29:10
Speaker 2: you're feeling helpless, so naturally you
29:13
Speaker 2: Try to find some kind of otherworldly source to help
29:16
Speaker 2: you get out of what seems like a hopeless situation, yeah,
29:20
Speaker 2: so just say like, uh, not haunt me, that's why
29:23
Speaker 2: I cannot, cannot surf.
29:26
Speaker 2: I mean if you can get away with that, can
29:29
Speaker 2: la but you, you are right definitely because every time
29:33
Speaker 2: when I think about in the last in the last year,
29:37
Speaker 2: the times when I'm the most religious is when we
29:39
Speaker 2: do outdoor shoots fair and I'm feeling freaked out. So
29:43
Speaker 2: then I'm, yes, but there's no there's no nangak here,
29:47
Speaker 2: but I, I will, I will get suddenly very religious
29:49
Speaker 2: for a person who has not been terribly religious before.
29:52
Speaker 2: So you like, oh, all the prayers start coming up.
29:56
Speaker 2: She's quite true whenever we are scared, right, we, we
29:59
Speaker 2: tend to be the most religious because we are trying
30:01
Speaker 2: to ask for help. That's actually.
30:03
Speaker 2: Yeah,
30:04
Speaker 1: that's how scammers manipulate.
30:06
Speaker 2: Yeah,
30:07
Speaker 2: exactly. Yeah, fair enough, fair enough. This question is for everyone.
30:11
Speaker 2: Mark ran to a temple, but if you found out
30:14
Speaker 2: that your significant other was a ghost, what would you do?
30:27
Speaker 2: It's a very dangerous question. My wife not watching this.
30:27
Speaker 2: That's entirely up to you.
30:28
Speaker 1: Tough call, man. OK, it really depends. OK, so also.
30:32
Speaker 1: We cannot really verify if the entity was really Nang Nang.
30:36
Speaker 1: You know there are many times where we hope to
30:39
Speaker 1: or we go into a seance and then we try
30:41
Speaker 1: to communicate with our loved ones.
30:43
Speaker 1: Or use the, you know, the Ouija board, it may
30:46
Speaker 1: not be your loved one. It can be a shapeshifter,
30:49
Speaker 1: so it can be like a in the in the
30:51
Speaker 1: Muslims believe in genes, right? So the genes can take
30:54
Speaker 1: all forms. It's like America, I mean the western side,
30:57
Speaker 1: they're called shape shifters. So it may not be exactly what.
31:00
Speaker 1: What, what it is, you see, maybe safety wise I'll
31:03
Speaker 1: run to the temple first la.
31:10
Speaker 2: Then from down there the lake touching the ground. Can
31:10
Speaker 2: I just say that is the that is the most
31:13
Speaker 2: sound and logical way for you to not talk to
31:17
Speaker 2: your ghostly wife. You're like, I don't even know whether
31:20
Speaker 2: it's you. I'm just gonna go to the temple first, OK?
31:23
Speaker 2: No offense to you.
31:26
Speaker 2: For me, I would.
31:28
Speaker 2: Uh, ask her the most intimate, the most intimate answer
31:33
Speaker 2: that I've told her before, like something that I've told
31:35
Speaker 2: her that nobody will know, right? I say, you ask me.
31:38
Speaker 2: I don't think ghosts can read mine, not that, not
31:41
Speaker 2: to that level. Maybe other entities can, but I will say, OK,
31:45
Speaker 2: tell me the most embarrassing thing that I've told you like.
31:48
Speaker 2: To this day, you bring to your grave literally really
31:51
Speaker 2: bring to your grave. Then you tell me then if
31:53
Speaker 2: she tell me that that confirms right then I say, OK,
31:55
Speaker 2: then now, right, we're gonna hatch a plan. We're gonna
31:58
Speaker 2: make me rich. We're gonna get 40 numbers and then, uh, yeah,
32:04
Speaker 2: then I won't run to
32:05
Speaker 2: the temple,
32:05
Speaker 1: but you know, right, this only works one way, right?
32:08
Speaker 1: If the male is the spirit, it's going to be
32:11
Speaker 1: a problem because when I can remember what my wife
32:13
Speaker 2: said.
32:16
Speaker 2: Uh, not for me lah, not for the other way around.
32:20
Speaker 2: This episode is turning out to be very dangerous. I'm
32:22
Speaker 2: gonna go find him bad husband. My wife's gonna kill
32:29
Speaker 2: me for this, um.
32:31
Speaker 2: But if the ghost is flatulent,
32:35
Speaker 2: That is how I know it's my wife. That is the, like, if,
32:39
Speaker 2: if I, if I don't hear or I don't smell anything.
32:46
Speaker 2: Somewhat deadly
32:47
Speaker 2: Then I'll be like, then I'm suspicious. Then run to
32:50
Speaker 2: the church, run to the temple everything, but if I
32:52
Speaker 2: get a whiff of, of one of her quality farts,
32:56
Speaker 2: I know that's my wife.
32:58
Speaker 1: So far heard of, uh, what friend Penny?
33:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah,
33:01
Speaker 1: I never heard of a man. Yeah, I don't know, man.
33:04
Speaker 2: I don't know, man. Wait, women fart.
33:09
Speaker 2: She's gonna kill
33:10
Speaker 1: so we get technical, right, technically, technically entities have no
33:14
Speaker 1: anus and it doesn't have
33:16
Speaker 2: really,
33:17
Speaker 2: I mean
33:18
Speaker 2: it's
33:19
Speaker 1: an it's an energy form, OK,
33:21
Speaker 2: but
33:21
Speaker 2: then, OK, so if there are energy form, how can
33:24
Speaker 2: we create smells then not by farting la OK, not,
33:36
Speaker 2: not by farting. You think what kaka friendship don't make
33:36
Speaker 2: no sense.
33:37
Speaker 2: I, I am not saying, I, I am not saying,
33:41
Speaker 2: I am not saying that butts. I'm just asking how
33:46
Speaker 2: does she create the Frenchy Pennys then magic, good
33:49
Speaker 1: question, not sure, but maybe a play on your senses.
33:53
Speaker 1: You know that sometimes um they are, you know, in
33:57
Speaker 1: Japan they created this spoon that when you eat things
34:01
Speaker 1: from it, it gives it tricks your mind to think
34:03
Speaker 1: it's salty enough from sodium.
34:05
Speaker 1: So it reduces your sodium intake. So it is how
34:09
Speaker 1: our electrical pulses send signals to our brain to to
34:13
Speaker 1: have certain things. So maybe in a sense that entities
34:17
Speaker 1: are able to trigger that in our, in our senses
34:21
Speaker 1: to to make us perceive smells which are not there.
34:24
Speaker 2: I think
34:24
Speaker 2: no, no, no.
34:25
Speaker 2: They also have the water bottle, you know, you can,
34:26
Speaker 2: you can change the flavor, but it's actually just plain water,
34:29
Speaker 2: but it tastes like there's flavor. Do you know what
34:31
Speaker 2: the water really but I'm picturing ghosts doing this now.
34:35
Speaker 2: They're like, I'm basically the water bottle. I mean like
34:38
Speaker 2: it's true la, yeah,
34:41
Speaker 1: so, so what they do is actually hire this factory
34:43
Speaker 1: Haus there.
34:46
Speaker 2: Each each
34:47
Speaker 2: bottle is gonna go to work, right? Yeah, so I, fine.
34:52
Speaker 2: The ghost of my wife will not fart, but she
34:54
Speaker 2: will make you think, make me think that I smell
34:56
Speaker 2: her farts, and that's why I know it's. And then, yeah,
35:00
Speaker 2: so I won't, I won't run to the temple. I'll wait,
35:02
Speaker 2: I'll wait for the smell. I will wait for the smell.
35:06
Speaker 2: What about you? I think for me, right, if, uh,
35:08
Speaker 2: if I found out that my significant other was a ghost.
35:11
Speaker 2: I think the first thing first is I pray first. I,
35:13
Speaker 2: I don't don't run to the mosque first. I pray first.
35:16
Speaker 2: See if she burns, you know, if she shouts, you know,
35:20
Speaker 2: wow,
35:20
Speaker 1: it's a normal day, why
35:24
Speaker 2: wow.
35:26
Speaker 2: You, you better but other than that, I don't know.
35:31
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do. But if it's a
35:32
Speaker 2: normal spirit, it won't burn lah. So you're saying that
35:34
Speaker 2: the prayers will burn something that's not a spirit, lah.
35:36
Speaker 2: But I think, I think in Malays in my religion, right,
35:39
Speaker 2: we believe, right, even if it's like an actual spirit
35:42
Speaker 2: or my, my wife's spirit also right, confirm will will
35:44
Speaker 2: run away or burn one after you pray, right? OK,
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Speaker 2: so I, I have no answer for that question. So,
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Speaker 2: so you're saying when your wife.
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Speaker 2: I have to you have no choice but technically my
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Speaker 2: wife also, OK, OK, fair, fair, fair enough, fair enough.
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Speaker 2: I love how all of us are just basically apologizing.
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Speaker 2: Alright, so it's time to wrap things up for this episode, Kyle.
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Speaker 2: As always, what's our morbid fact of today? OK, as
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Speaker 2: we discussed earlier, right, there are many, many adaptations of
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Speaker 2: Nangn legend in the film. Some are straight up horror,
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Speaker 2: some lean more towards romance, and some even comedies. But
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Speaker 2: this one I really stand out. There was actually an
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Speaker 2: animated kids movie released in 2008 called Nak, where Nang
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Speaker 2: Nak teams up with other Thaihos and needs to help
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Speaker 2: instead of haunting humanity.
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Speaker 2: So basically your regular Hantu Avengers, ah, I was literally
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Speaker 2: thinking that I was like, see that that's the like
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Speaker 2: this myth has gotten to the point, right? that that's
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Speaker 2: how you know it's such a strong myth when it
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Speaker 2: stops becoming like scary, it becomes a cartoon, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: just waiting for the day, like one of the big
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Speaker 2: animation films right then they animate Kaka.
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Speaker 2: Inside, have they then it's like friends like that. Then
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Speaker 2: they have
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Speaker 2: like scary
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Speaker 2: movies, no one make like an animated Malay horror, uh,
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Speaker 2: cartoon it's expensive. I think it's more expensive to film.
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Speaker 2: It's more expensive to make it than film it, ah,
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Speaker 2: I think, la, I
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Speaker 2: think,
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Speaker 1: because honestly I think like ghost all this.
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Speaker 1: It's quite simple because you just need one prop like
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Speaker 1: that animation need to
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Speaker 2: one
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Speaker 1: prop like what and then you make the sounds and
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Speaker 1: oh you mean there's nothing there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, I think, I, I think, uh,
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Speaker 2: it will be fun to see one for, I think Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, right,
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Speaker 2: like a collaboration. I'm just saying right now, OK, we've
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Speaker 2: put this out there for all of y'all. So far,
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Speaker 2: as far as we know, does not have her own
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Speaker 2: animated series. Who knows, right? Just saying an idea just
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Speaker 2: like welcome. You're
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Speaker 2: welcome.
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Speaker 1: Casper the friendly ghost kind of, you know, animation would
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Speaker 1: be nice,
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Speaker 2: yeah.
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Speaker 2: the Angry ghost. Alright, thank you so much for joining us.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. Welcome back again, man, and thank you to
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Speaker 1: My name is ET.
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Speaker 2: My name is Wayne. My name is Kyle. My name
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Speaker 2: from Incredible Tales was hosted by Far Anwar, Wayne Ray,
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Speaker 2: and Kyle Ong, with special guest, ET.
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Speaker 2: Directed and produced by Kyle Ong, written by Wayne Ray,
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Speaker 2: Jonathan Chan, camera operators, Joey Chia, Melvin Luong, Art director,
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Speaker 2: shot by Brian Koh, hair and makeup by Binno Lim,
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