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Patriots Unfiltered 9/8: Seahawks Preview, Reported Gonzo Extension, 2026 Season Questions · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered, presented by Toyota.com.
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  Speaker 2: Seattle's always a tough place to play, whether they're not
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  Speaker 2: going to the playoffs.
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  Speaker 4: That was there in 08. They weren't even going to
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  Speaker 4: the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: It was still insane. It's an even Brady loss there.
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  Speaker 2: How loud is it?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: You mad, bro?
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  Speaker 2: Like, how are we going to improve you in the pick?
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  Speaker 2: Walking down the bottom. I'm just embracing my suckitude. The
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  Speaker 2: San Francisco 49ers against the Rams, but it's being played
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  Speaker 2: in Australia.
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  Speaker 4: So when the quarterback throws the ball, does it spin
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  Speaker 4: the other way?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I know. That's why. That's not his real name. No,
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 4: But he goes by AJ.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I think there's like shortening your first name nicknames like Alex.
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  Speaker 6: My name's Alexandra. But then there's like marketing nicknames like RG3.
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  Speaker 2: To me, Pop is a true nickname. Yeah. Because you
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  Speaker 2: would call, hey, hey, Pop.
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  Speaker 4: But you would never say, hey, TV12. I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: take the Jets.
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  Speaker 2: It just doesn't. Yeah, I'm going to go with the Jets, believe.
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  Speaker 4: It or not. After all of that crap, you just
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  Speaker 4: picked the same thing?
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 4: This is Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 2: Presented by Toyota.com. Patriots Unfiltered. All right, welcome in, everybody,
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  Speaker 2: to Patriots Unfiltered. It's a big show because Fred and
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  Speaker 2: Evan are out in Seattle. That must mean week one
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  Speaker 2: starts tomorrow. And we've got a new contract for Christian Gonzalez.
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  Speaker 2: Big day here. Got Jack Webb in to fill in,
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  Speaker 2: help manage things.
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  Speaker 4: Next man up.
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  Speaker 2: Next man up.
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  Speaker 4: Next man up. Evan, of course, you guys probably.
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  Speaker 6: They didn't trust the three of us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just watched Catch-22, I'm sure, with Alex Barth and
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  Speaker 2: Evan Lazar. But no Fred today. They're out there in Seattle.
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  Speaker 2: And we're here to break everything down for you guys.
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  Speaker 2: So this is a... Pretty exciting, Paul. We got the
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  Speaker 2: Christian Gonzalez. I'm sure you were up last night.
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  Speaker 4: You were prescient.
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  Speaker 2: Last week, you said, you know, your legal seafood fresh take.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was 0 for 2 on my fresh takes.
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  Speaker 4: But who knew we just had to get Fred and
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  Speaker 4: Evan out of town to get this deal done?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just really relieved in all seriousness that we don't
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  Speaker 4: have to talk about this anymore. Like, will they do it?
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  Speaker 4: You know what?
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  Speaker 2: It's over.
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  Speaker 4: It's probably a really good deal for both sides. We'll
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  Speaker 4: get into some of the nuts and bolts if you
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  Speaker 4: guys want later. But I do think both sides probably
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  Speaker 4: gave a little and got some. And the bottom line
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  Speaker 4: here is you have a happy Christian Gonzalez heading into
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  Speaker 4: the opener tomorrow night. I don't know how you can
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  Speaker 4: look at that any other way. been immensely positive. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: definitely nice, Alex, not to have to hear about it.
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  Speaker 4: Even you, Mike, should look at that positively. You hardly
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  Speaker 4: ever look at anything on the bright side.
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  Speaker 2: And as I was going to say, not, and I
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  Speaker 2: said this a lot, like going into the first game
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  Speaker 2: of the season, there's going to be pregame shows for
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  Speaker 2: a while.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Nice that now that isn't a talking point while the
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks got theirs done and Christian Gonzalez is still waiting.
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  Speaker 7: I wish we just did it one day earlier because
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  Speaker 7: then we could have dropped that fun hype video and
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  Speaker 7: it would have been really well received instead of just like,
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  Speaker 7: pay Gonzo, pay Gonzo, pay Gonzo.
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  Speaker 6: But it's okay.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, Jack, what did you think about the deal? I
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  Speaker 8: like the deal, and it's nice to just have it done.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, it felt like there was a dark cloud
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  Speaker 8: over Patriots fans' heads. You're trying to get excited for
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  Speaker 8: a Super Bowl rematch on opening night of the NFL season.
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  Speaker 4: All you can think about is Christian Gonzalez. Is he
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  Speaker 4: going to get paid? Is he unhappy? Is he going
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  Speaker 4: to play? That's all the worries, right?
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  Speaker 8: So for that to be over and have Patriots fans
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  Speaker 8: and the Patriots themselves maybe even just focus on the
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  Speaker 8: task at hand.
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  Speaker 4: It feels good.
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  Speaker 8: It feels like a weight moved off the shoulders of
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  Speaker 8: people covering the team, fans of the team, everybody.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, plenty to get to.
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  Speaker 2: We were here all weekend. They were practicing over the
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  Speaker 2: course of Labor Day as they got ready for this one.
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  Speaker 2: They flew out yesterday to Seattle. You know, definitely some
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  Speaker 2: notable things to talk about with this game and certainly
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  Speaker 2: running back is a position I want to get into
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  Speaker 2: as well with Travion Henderson up in the air. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, hey, Patriots fans, up your game by going
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  Speaker 2: places and let's go home. Talk a little bit about
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  Speaker 2: this game, guys, because it's exciting finally here. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you've been talking so much about it. Felt like Mike
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  Speaker 2: Frabel this weekend.
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  Speaker 4: We heard from him.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, you know, you can only spend so much
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  Speaker 2: time breaking this game down. And I think, you know,
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  Speaker 2: my my biggest question is just how do you not
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  Speaker 2: get wrapped up in what happened in the Super Bowl
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  Speaker 2: and not make too big of a deal that I
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  Speaker 2: think about a guy like, you know, Will Campbell, who's
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  Speaker 2: been in the crosshairs from that game. And this is
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  Speaker 2: his first action. Now he's going to step right back
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  Speaker 2: on the field against this same team. How do you manage, yes,
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  Speaker 2: it's important to play week one and we want to
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  Speaker 2: win the game, but at the same time, we can't
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  Speaker 2: go in there thinking that we're going to right the
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  Speaker 2: wrongs of the Super Bowl or prove that we were
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  Speaker 2: a better team than we showed in that game.
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  Speaker 4: You just have to go out as the 2026 Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: And get the season started, see what your issues are
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  Speaker 2: going to be and what you're good at and what
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  Speaker 2: you have to fix.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think, too, you learn a lot of lessons.
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  Speaker 8: What makes me so– I don't want to get too
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  Speaker 8: far ahead of myself here in the show, but with
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  Speaker 8: Evan not being here, someone had to watch the tape,
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  Speaker 8: so I went and I watched the tape yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: Did you grind it or what? Oh, I grinded it.
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  Speaker 4: And with Evan not being here, everybody else gets to talk.
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  Speaker 8: So in his honor, grinded the tape, and I actually
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  Speaker 8: came away feeling pretty good about the Patriots. And I
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  Speaker 8: know that sounds backwards because of how poorly they played.
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  Speaker 4: Watch out, watch out.
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  Speaker 8: But I just, in no world do I think that
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  Speaker 8: offense plays that poorly again. And then I thought about
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  Speaker 8: Will Campbell. I thought about Drake May. Will Campbell, who,
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  Speaker 8: you know, just who they are as people. You know,
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  Speaker 8: what we know about them. Will Campbell wearing number seven
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  Speaker 8: in LSU. If you know anything about number seven in LSU,
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  Speaker 8: you know, that tells you something, right? Drake May being
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  Speaker 8: the youngest of four. You know, just the competitors that
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  Speaker 8: they are. You knew, and you know, sorry, This was
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  Speaker 8: in the back of their mind all preseason long, all
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  Speaker 8: offseason long. I mean, you know, in general over the past, what,
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  Speaker 8: six months of not playing football.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Like, you know, like, should it be? You know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean? Like, do you as a coach say, I
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  Speaker 2: know it's good motivation going to this game, but at
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  Speaker 2: the same time, you don't want to– I imagine some
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  Speaker 2: of these guys' new faces, Mike Vrabel's trying to talk
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  Speaker 2: about that Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't play in that game. I think it's funny, too. Jack,
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  Speaker 4: there's a big thing that Fred has always had with us.
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  Speaker 4: You're never allowed to call something a rematch. If you
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  Speaker 4: had a big game with the team one year and
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  Speaker 4: you play in the next year, it's not a rematch,
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  Speaker 4: he always says, because he's right. Most of the players
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  Speaker 4: are different. Things change. The personnel is never exactly the same,
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  Speaker 4: but for whatever reason, he suspended his own rule in
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  Speaker 4: He says that you can, in fact, call this a
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  Speaker 4: rematch because it's the next game.
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  Speaker 2: He decreed it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: He declared, much like when Belichick said the game declared,
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  Speaker 4: Fred declared that we're allowed to call this a Super
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  Speaker 4: Bowl rematch, which I think is kind of odd because
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  Speaker 4: of so many new faces and so many guys that
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  Speaker 4: I thought were important players.
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  Speaker 6: Coordinators.
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  Speaker 4: On both teams that aren't there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's going to be the key to
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  Speaker 4: me is how does... not having Kenneth Walker change the
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  Speaker 4: way Seattle runs the ball, if at all. How do
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  Speaker 4: the Patriots approach that, you know, up front? You know,
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  Speaker 4: you have some different pieces in place there. Like, that
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  Speaker 4: was probably the key to the game offensively for Seattle, right,
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  Speaker 4: was how well Walker ran the football.
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  Speaker 2: Totally.
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  Speaker 4: Does that happen again? Like, probably not.
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  Speaker 6: That's why the closer we get to the game, the
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  Speaker 6: better I feel for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: The only thing on my mind with that, though, Paul,
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  Speaker 2: is you remember the old days with, like, when Denver
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  Speaker 2: would run, you know, they're the originators of the wide
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  Speaker 2: zone and they just kept plugging in like Mike Anderson,
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  Speaker 2: like they would plug in a back and somehow they
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  Speaker 2: would always be productive. They wouldn't be productive elsewhere, but I,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that's one like pause that I have of today.
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  Speaker 2: Does that kind of become a Denver thing where it's
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  Speaker 2: a wide zone scheme and they get guys that can
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  Speaker 2: do it and they just find the scene.
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  Speaker 4: So I would argue that Terrell Davis was a Superbowl.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: None of those other guys ever won squat. Mike Anderson,
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  Speaker 4: Alandis Gary, good players. They never won anything with those guys.
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  Speaker 4: Because there was a drop-off. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: The scheme was the scheme, and it was really good.
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  Speaker 4: But I did think there was a difference, and I
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  Speaker 4: think the Patriots fans probably hope that you know, Jadarian
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  Speaker 4: Price is a drop-off from what you saw from Kenneth Walker.
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  Speaker 8: I think, too, what makes you, I guess, could give
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  Speaker 8: you hope that there's a drop-off is Kenneth Walker was
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  Speaker 8: in that system.
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  Speaker 4: He's been doing that for a long time. He's comfortable.
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  Speaker 4: He knows what to do.
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  Speaker 8: You know, when you have an aim point as a
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  Speaker 8: running back, okay, when that's blocked off, he knows the
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  Speaker 8: adjustment to make.
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  Speaker 4: He knows where he could go, you know, and he's
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  Speaker 4: very good at bouncing that outside. A guy like Price where.
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  Speaker 8: okay, you know, maybe I don't know if he ran
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  Speaker 8: it all in the preseason, but this is going to
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  Speaker 8: be the first live bullets flying against starting caliber defense, right?
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  Speaker 8: If his aim points all clogged up, is he going
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  Speaker 8: to be as comfortable as Kenneth Walker seemed to be
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  Speaker 8: a master at it in the Super Bowl, you know,
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  Speaker 8: with one of the games of his life, you know,
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  Speaker 8: in that ability to bounce it outside to make an
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  Speaker 8: adjustment on the fly. So it will be interesting to
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  Speaker 8: see if price can bring that to the Seattle offense.
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  Speaker 2: Along those lines. I think something that concerns me is
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  Speaker 2: just neither team has really played In the preseason, you
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  Speaker 2: expect tackling and things to be sloppy. Is this, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to get into what my key is
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  Speaker 2: going to be when we talk about it tomorrow night,
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  Speaker 2: and Jack, you're sitting in the host chair, but I
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  Speaker 2: feel like a baseline of just playing some clean football,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm really worried about the tackling, and I think
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  Speaker 2: it's for both teams, but I also look at a
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  Speaker 2: rookie running back, and I think there might be some
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  Speaker 2: opportunities to get the ball out for the kid like this.
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  Speaker 2: How well is he? I mean, we know this. This
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  Speaker 2: team preaches punching that ball out. We see him practicing
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  Speaker 2: it all the time. So I just think that's a
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  Speaker 2: big key. Who's going to be the sloppier team and
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  Speaker 2: who maybe makes one less mistake? And I always kind
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  Speaker 2: of go into first games with that kind of attitude.
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  Speaker 7: And that's something that we obviously, the Patriots really struggled
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  Speaker 7: with at the beginning of the year and then really
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  Speaker 7: went on to clean it up. How front of mind
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  Speaker 7: is that now this year? It's a new season. Maybe
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  Speaker 7: they forgot about like. What game was it where there
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  Speaker 7: was like four turnovers?
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  Speaker 10: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: There were a lot of missed tackles too early on.
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  Speaker 6: Steelers game.
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  Speaker 2: I just wonder if it's a wash or if one
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  Speaker 2: team does get an advantage as far as the sloppiness.
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  Speaker 2: But certainly a lot of pressure on the Patriots with
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  Speaker 2: the noise and stuff.
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  Speaker 4: You can never predict that. I mean, generally, that's what
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  Speaker 4: you know, determines the outcomes of these games, right? Is
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  Speaker 4: the turnovers and how they, they unfold. But I'm just
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  Speaker 4: going to operate under the, Fred and I, this is
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  Speaker 4: another crutch that I lean on with Fred. When I
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  Speaker 4: sort of look at a game and I, I look,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I try to forecast what might happen. I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to assume both teams play well. So it's not,
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  Speaker 4: you know, like, well, one team turned the ball over
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  Speaker 4: three times, you know, like the Florida state SMU game
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  Speaker 4: last night.
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  Speaker 2: You know, SMU completely.
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  Speaker 4: Dominates the game, but you turn it over four times
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  Speaker 4: and you allow another team that really wasn't overly competitive
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  Speaker 4: with you to stay in the game to the last second.
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  Speaker 4: SMU ends up escaping because they turned the ball over
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  Speaker 4: four times. If that doesn't happen, if neither side is overly,
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  Speaker 4: you know, let's say they turn it over once apiece
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  Speaker 4: or something like that, what do you go back on?
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  Speaker 4: I go back to where we started the show with Gonzalez. And,
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  Speaker 4: you know, fresh off the contract extension game, Here we go.
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  Speaker 4: He's got one of the best receivers in football that
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  Speaker 4: he's going to see, you know, a good deal of,
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  Speaker 4: I would imagine. How does that matchup, you know, get determined?
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  Speaker 4: How does that outcome? And how much better are the
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  Speaker 4: pieces around JSN this time, which I hate. Jackson Smith
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  Speaker 4: and Jagba, I will not do that again.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry.
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  Speaker 4: How much better are the pieces around him with, like,
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  Speaker 4: Rashid Shaheed being there through a full offseason?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Reports out of Seattle kind of indicating that he looks
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  Speaker 4: much more comfortable, much more viable threat with Cooper Cup as,
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  Speaker 4: you know, sort of just a steady, reliable third receiver.
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  Speaker 4: You know, how many more options does Sam Darnold have
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  Speaker 4: to go to beyond Jackson, Smith, and Jigba maybe this
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  Speaker 4: time around than he did, you know, back in February?
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  Speaker 4: Those are the key things.
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  Speaker 7: That being said, I'd say that secondary for New England's
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  Speaker 7: been upgraded a lot too. Kevin Byard and, you know,
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  Speaker 7: they're returning a strong cornerback set. That's not going to
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  Speaker 7: be my favorite matchup. just the secondary versus their receivers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, how, how they kind of work, Kevin Byard,
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  Speaker 2: Craig Woodson together. We don't really see Woodson at the end.
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  Speaker 2: He's been, he was a little injured. It seems like
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  Speaker 2: he's fine to go. Um, but I guess the, you know, guys, the, the,
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  Speaker 2: the big thing for me, I just want to start
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  Speaker 2: off with was just, you know, Travian Henderson. And we,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we're in the locker room all weekend long.
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  Speaker 2: He saw him around a little bit. He did not practice.
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  Speaker 2: We did not see him out there. Uh, as of
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  Speaker 2: right now, we're still uncertain if he has any status.
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  Speaker 2: Mike Vrabel yesterday said, we still have a couple of days.
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  Speaker 2: He did not practice at all. Uh, and I'm kind
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  Speaker 2: of feeling like great about reminder Stevenson, but it's hard
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  Speaker 2: when you get to the first game of the season
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  Speaker 2: and you look back and you think about all the
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  Speaker 2: conversations we had about, you know, trying to find another
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  Speaker 2: running back and all that. And, you know, it's just,
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  Speaker 2: it's one little slip for Travian Henderson on the practice field.
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  Speaker 2: And now, you know, you're, you're not really sure who's
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  Speaker 2: going to carry the ball other than reminder Stevenson. And
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  Speaker 2: I think, you know, for this team to peak at
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  Speaker 2: the end and to really be great in the playoffs,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to want a fresh, healthy reminder Stevenson. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, how much are you going to have to
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  Speaker 2: lean on him early and who steps up if Henderson
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  Speaker 2: can't go and what can they possibly offer? Who do
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  Speaker 2: they trust to give the ball to at this point?
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  Speaker 4: So I think this is probably a good matchup for
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  Speaker 4: the Patriots to not have another option. And I think it,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I'm not expecting the Patriots to have a
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  Speaker 4: tremendous amount of success regardless of who's running the ball
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  Speaker 4: against that defense. I think Seattle's, if not the best,
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  Speaker 4: they're one of the best run defenses in football. So,
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  Speaker 4: How do you stay out of those situations that we
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  Speaker 4: talked about last week? Mike, you made a big deal
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  Speaker 4: out of what killed them in the Super Bowl was
• 13:17
  Speaker 4: just so many sort of like, meh, first down plays
• 13:21
  Speaker 4: that had them in second and eight, second and nine
• 13:23
  Speaker 4: all day. Well, throw the ball. Throw the ball and
• 13:26
  Speaker 4: make it second and four. You know, instead of running
• 13:29
  Speaker 4: the ball into the line and making it second and nine.
• 13:32
  Speaker 4: I think the runs, the run attempts in this game,
• 13:35
  Speaker 4: unless it gets out of hand, you know, Patriots have
• 13:36
  Speaker 4: a big lead or something in the second half. You're
• 13:39
  Speaker 4: grinding out the clock or whatever.
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: Who knows?
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: But when the game is still sort of in the balance,
• 13:44
  Speaker 4: I don't expect it. Maybe two-thirds passing in this game,
• 13:47
  Speaker 4: I would expect. So I think you can get by
• 13:49
  Speaker 4: with just Stevenson, provided that he stays healthy. If something
• 13:53
  Speaker 4: were to happen to Stevenson in the game and you
• 13:54
  Speaker 4: don't have Henderson to fall back on, then it's look
• 13:58
  Speaker 4: out below. I think you're talking about, what, Corey Kiner?
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 14:02
  Speaker 4: He's been here a week.
• 14:04
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 14:04
  Speaker 4: Hassan Haskins maybe gets promoted from the practice squad. Maybe
• 14:08
  Speaker 4: Land Larrison gets promoted. I don't know.
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 14:10
  Speaker 4: But those are all question marks.
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: Just some numbers on Corey Conner's got 12 career carries.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: He was one year last year. Haskins has been in
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: the league a little longer, 76 career carries. He's played
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: 229 special team snaps, too, which is another point I'll
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: get into later.
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: Jack, how concerned are you just going with Ramondre?
• 14:24
  Speaker 8: Well, I'm actually very concerned because watching that game back,
• 14:29
  Speaker 8: you were reminded of how much of it was almost
• 14:32
  Speaker 8: like a boxer who smelled blood. You know, the Seahawks
• 14:34
  Speaker 8: had the Patriots in the corner of the ring, and
• 14:36
  Speaker 8: they were just teeing off, right?
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: They could have their way.
• 14:39
  Speaker 8: They knew the Patriots had to pass, and they understood
• 14:41
  Speaker 8: that this offensive line for the Patriots could not handle
• 14:44
  Speaker 8: what we're throwing at them. And it truly was like
• 14:47
  Speaker 8: a boxer who smelled blood just teeing off on the
• 14:50
  Speaker 8: New England Patriots, that offensive line, Drake, May, et cetera, right?
• 14:53
  Speaker 8: And a way to combat that is to run the
• 14:55
  Speaker 8: football and establish the run. And that's what's concerning is
• 14:57
  Speaker 8: not having that one-two punch that you get so excited
• 15:00
  Speaker 8: about when thinking about the Patriots' run game. If they
• 15:02
  Speaker 8: don't have it, I should say, and Travion Henderson can't go,
• 15:05
  Speaker 8: it definitely is worrisome for me as someone who would
• 15:08
  Speaker 8: like to see that team establish the run early. And
• 15:11
  Speaker 8: to me, another way to get ahead of the sticks
• 15:12
  Speaker 8: is also, okay, a successful run play.
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 15:15
  Speaker 8: A five, five yard reminder, Stevenson, you know, you run
• 15:18
  Speaker 8: a duo, you run in power, just something to establish
• 15:21
  Speaker 8: it and get movement on that interior, which I don't
• 15:24
  Speaker 8: wish that upon my worst enemy, having to deal with
• 15:26
  Speaker 8: those two in the middle. I mean, Leonard Williams and
• 15:28
  Speaker 8: Murphy like that is like Paul said, as good as
• 15:30
  Speaker 8: it gets, but if you can get on them and
• 15:32
  Speaker 8: wear them down over the course of four quarters, it
• 15:34
  Speaker 8: helps keep that blitz heavy momentum. I should say simulated
• 15:37
  Speaker 8: pressure heavy, as we saw in the super bowl, you know,
• 15:40
  Speaker 8: Mike McDaniel or Mike McDonald, that offense, you know, I mean, defense,
• 15:43
  Speaker 8: you know, honest.
• 15:44
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: Paul, what do you see? You've seen quite a few
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: super bowl banners go up here over the years. So
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: what are those? Is there a theme in those games?
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: I know you said sometimes, I mean, the famous one,
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: Kansas city beat the Patriots in 2017, ran all over
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: him with Korean hump. But how did you feel like
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: those games unfold? Cause I know you're a little bit,
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: you feel like there's a little pressure on the team.
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: I think it's just weird. Sometimes a weird dynamic in
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: the stadium. I, One thing that I've kind of noticed
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: is the home team tends to get off to a
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: slow start. And I do think there's kind of like
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: an emotional hangover to everything that's going on. In general terms,
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: the home team finds a way to win the game.
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: But I think if you look at the sample size,
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: maybe the last 10 years or so, and again, Jack,
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: this is what I do. I do no research on
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: these things. I just sort of go off the top
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: of my head. And anecdotally, sometimes I'm Completely off base.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: But anecdotally, I would tell you that the home team
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: generally wins. The defending champ generally wins and generally doesn't
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: cover because I think it's usually kind of a slow
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: buildup and they find a way to win at the end.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: I think the Eagles did that with the Cowboys. You know,
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: it was kind of a back and forth game, but
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: they didn't really look all that great. We saw Detroit
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: go in and beat Kansas City a few years back.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: You talked about the Chiefs coming to New England and
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: beating the Patriots. I just think it's a weird kind
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: of you spend the whole offseason saying last year is
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: last year. What we did was great. That's done. We
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: have to establish an identity for the 26 season now.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: And then you go out on the field and everybody's saying, wow,
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: you guys were great last year. Look at that banner.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: You know, it's just think it's kind of mentally challenging.
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: a difficult spot for some, some of the teams that
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: do it.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Good atmosphere though. I mean, I think that'll probably,
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: it'll be a while.
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: I mean, no matter what, it's going to be a
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: good atmosphere there.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, Mike, you talked about, you know, you were
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: there in 2008 when they weren't even good.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: No, they love their football there. And that's one stadium
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: that seems like it was designed to be loud. And,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: you know, you just got to respect fans that are
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: that into it. And now they're going to, you know,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: raise their second Superbowl banner. It's a lot for the
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Patriots to get prepared for it. It seems like they've
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: been taking steps throughout the summer to try to get
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: ready for it, but I think until you actually get
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: out there and have to execute with a lot of
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: new guys that you haven't really played with before, you
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 18:03
  Speaker 8: Well, that's something I really want to touch on is
• 18:05
  Speaker 8: a lot of the talk this offseason is about Drake
• 18:07
  Speaker 8: May with another full offseason with Josh McDaniels, right?
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: Year two, how's that going to look?
• 18:11
  Speaker 8: Well, you've got an offense under a new coordinator who
• 18:14
  Speaker 8: wasn't even in the building last year in Seattle, and
• 18:15
  Speaker 8: I think that's something that the Patriots have a real
• 18:17
  Speaker 8: leg up on in this matchup as well. Drake and
• 18:20
  Speaker 8: Josh are working on... you know, okay, what's the next
• 18:23
  Speaker 8: step for us, right? Is the next step, Drake, you
• 18:25
  Speaker 8: kind of taking more over, you being a general client scrimmage,
• 18:28
  Speaker 8: getting a better understanding of the offense as a whole,
• 18:30
  Speaker 8: whereas they're just, they're still learning each other over there.
• 18:32
  Speaker 8: And when you get a week one matchup like that,
• 18:33
  Speaker 8: that is very intriguing.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: I think I'd want to put them in conflict though.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: You know, like I think if the game unfolds, In
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Seattle's favor, I think then it's not going to matter
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: all that much. But if you get them down or
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: you stop the run, they can't run the ball, and
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: now he's got to start to get creative. Then maybe
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: you start to put some pressure on them.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't know how the Brian Flurry era
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: is going to work in Seattle. The guy's never been
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: a coordinator.
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: Was he the tight ends coach in San Francisco?
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, which it's a little different in San Francisco because
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: Shanahan basically is the offensive coordinator.
• 19:08
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: Um, so he comes from, you know, a similar system.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: So like, I'm not saying that this guy doesn't, I
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: don't know if he's any good is the short answer
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: to this, but if he has, uh, any ability at all,
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: the Patriots don't know what he's going to do. So
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: I think that can be mitigated provided that he knows
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: what he's doing, provided that it's been a good, you know,
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: a good buildup for that offense and Sam Donald, um,
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: I'm expecting to see a much better Seattle offense than
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: they saw in the Super Bowl. I think Kenneth Walker
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: was terrific, but I think the passing game left a
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: lot of plays in the field in that game. Jackson
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Smith and Jigba, I thought, was open quite frequently in
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: that game, and they just didn't get in the ball.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: I don't expect that to be the case again. So
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: I think the Patriots' defense is going to have to
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: play much better than what we saw all summer to
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: meet this challenge.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Well, Christian Gazal's got 101 million reasons why, maybe.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: Maybe we'll get.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Well, 102.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: 102 million.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: Guaranteed.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, four years, 135 million, so.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: That's what I think. I mean, that's kind of that's
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: the story of the day. You know, we.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Always talk about, like, is this going to affect the
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: team negatively? Like, does this does this affect the team
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: positively here as you're in Seattle and you're like, they
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: took care of our guy. Everyone's dapping up Gonzo. We're
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: happy for him. He's happy. All of a sudden, right
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: before you have to play your first game of the season,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: you get a big. Boost kind of, you know, I
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: think there's.
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: Something to be said for that.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Good for morale.
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: I mean, this is how they, this is what they
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: want to be doing, right? Drafting and developing.
• 20:37
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's amazing that Gonzalez was even there for
• 20:40
  Speaker 7: the Patriots to take.
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: Those were some dark, what was it like a stretch of.
• 20:43
  Speaker 7: 10 years that they didn't resign a player since like
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: Dante Hightower?
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: It's been a while. Yeah.
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: And like they should have signed Chandler Jones like right
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: after that and didn't and he went on to have
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: a great career, but it's like, that's the track we
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: need to get back on.
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: Supplemented in the.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: Draft, supplemented in free agency when you have to.
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: You're in win-now mode, bringing a guy at market rate,
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: but that's not what you want to be doing year
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: after year. You want guys like Christian Gonzalez out in
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: the community, as a player on the field.
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: That's who you build a franchise with.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Paul, do you think they have to make a concerted
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: effort next year to not let the Drake-May negotiations drag
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: on like this and be kind of overshadowed things in
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: camp like it did, wouldn't ideally be able to get
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: that done so it doesn't become a thing?
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: Ideally, I would think, you know, look, now everybody's just
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: going to say, what's the difference? It's done. You went
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: into the season. I would say, ideally, you avoid all
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: that drama. Hopefully, that's the case. We'll leave that to
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: next year. But for now... No more extension talks, please. No,
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: but I would just say, just to piggyback on Alex's point,
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: I do think it's good for morale, and I do
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: think there's players in that locker room that look at
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: that and say... okay, they did right by our guy.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: He deserves this. He's been a good player for us,
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: and he got a fair market deal. I think that
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: does send a good message to other guys. Forget about
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: Drake May. We all know Drake May is going to
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: be in line for a contract. If he has another
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: year like last year and he cements himself as one
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: of the top quarterbacks in football, that's going to take
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: care of itself. But there are other guys that are
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: going to have their contracts coming due as well that
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: want to know the Patriots are willing to resign their
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: own guys to big money deals and not just going
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: out on the market and signing Milton Williams to a
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: big money deal and guys like that.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, it seems like it's kind of lined out.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, unless they don't sign Drake May, which would be,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: you know, cold red, you know, level of concern, but
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: you know, Milton Williams last year, Gonzalez this year, you know,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's, it's going to start a little bit
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: of a trend here, hopefully. And, and, But the bigger
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: trend is having the guys to actually, you want to
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: resign just because you don't have the guys to resign
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: because they're not good. You know, you want to have
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: guys that are good to resign. And that's, you know,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: starting to stack some success here.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was one of those things. Why did they
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: never resign anybody? Because they didn't have anybody worth resigning.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: And the ones that they did have that were worth
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: it in their defense, they have resigned. You know, the
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: Michael Wenyus and the Marcus Joneses and now Christian Gonzalez's.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: When you have a player that you draft that's worth resigning,
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: continuing to work, uh, develop, they've, they've taken care of them.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: And I had the list last week. It's in my,
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: it's in my many, many sheets.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: No, that's true.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: It's Michael Wendell, Christian Barmore, Reminders Stevenson, Marcus Jones, and
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: Christian Gonzalez.
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: It's the lack of like first rounders, I think since Dante,
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: that's glaring. And like, you could give your reasons for
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: why they didn't resign Chandler Jones that we don't need
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: to get into, but like, that's a long drought, but
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: it's cause that top heavy talent just hadn't been found
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: here for a while.
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: And, Now we're back, I hope.
• 23:45
  Speaker 8: There's something about, too, the way Mike Vrabel and the
• 23:48
  Speaker 8: Patriots burst onto the scene last year that made you
• 23:50
  Speaker 8: forget this is a rebuild. It feels like they've been
• 23:53
  Speaker 8: doing it for years now just because of the success,
• 23:56
  Speaker 8: how quickly he established his.
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: Presence in New England. They crushed the draft. They crushed
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: free agency instantly off the bat.
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: It almost makes you feel like he's been here for
• 24:03
  Speaker 8: longer than he has been. But this is a great sign,
• 24:06
  Speaker 8: great message in the Mike Vrabel era in New England
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: that stuff like this is going to get done with
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: him and Elliot Wolfe and company at the helm.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it still might be a little bit of a
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: pain in the ass, but it seems like things are
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: actually getting done, though, which is a good sign.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: Right, and then just, you know, to sort of cut
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: this off of the past, because I think Alex is right.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: When they had guys that were worthy that they chose,
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: they were interested in retaining them. Well, there's another draft
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: worth of class that's coming up next year that'll be due,
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: and there's only going to be one of them that's
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: going to get re-signed, and that's Drake May. You know,
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: because that's another draft class that's kind of all gone now,
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: you know?
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: So it's two years ago.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: You know, we'll see what happens in a couple of
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: years with the 25 class that you have guys like
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: Woodson and Henderson and Campbell and, you know, see how
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: many of those guys end up getting retained. That's what
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: my question is.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: You know, all these new players that they added both
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: on the roster and the practice squad is can any
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: of these signings develop this year and maybe offset some
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: of the draft misses that they had, you know, two, three,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: four years ago now, can they start to build depth
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: that way? It's a whole separate department, right? It's like
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: this is like the pro scouts now trying to maybe
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: find some gems guys they liked in the draft to
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: try to bring in. So I think that they need
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: to have some of those guys have success this year
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: because I said.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: It about the running back. Everyone's talking about the edge position.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: You know, you're looking at week one and you're saying
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: the depth ain't great right here. And it's not just.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: And I don't want to get too carried away with
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: the depth because they have a lot of star players now,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: which I'd much rather be like, well, it's A.J. Brown,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Drake May, and complaining about this than complaining about not
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: having the star players.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: I'd much rather have this roster than the roster they
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: had two years ago before Braybill got here.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right. So at some point they've got to
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: start finding these guys because I don't know how the
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: season's going to go with a couple injuries at edge
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: or at linebacker or at tight end or at running back.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: And we said the same thing last year about the depth.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: And again, it's like, it's nice to have, but some
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: of these guys are probably gonna be thrust into the fire.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: And you're just hoping that maybe you find some gems
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: that can build some of this depth, because if they
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: keep kind of having bad drafts, I mean, they've got
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: two okay drafts. We're seeing how these kind of returns
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: on these last two come in, but they got to
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: start hitting on these guys because no matter how many
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: star players you have, it's, it's about, you know, one
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: to 53, right?
• 26:22
  Speaker 11: Paul.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: That's the talking point you guys have spoken a lot
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: about on not only the pre and post game show,
• 26:27
  Speaker 8: but also on filters. The fact that last year you
• 26:29
  Speaker 8: hit on a lot of those one year guys this year,
• 26:32
  Speaker 8: you really didn't. And especially when you think about paying
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: Drake may next year, the draft becomes even more important.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: You've got these guys on rookie deals.
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: And one thing I do want to ask you guys
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: is Drake, maybe a quarterback, the most, you know, maybe
• 26:44
  Speaker 8: coveted position in all of sports.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Does that change things negotiation wise?
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: Or do you think, you know, it just makes me
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: wonder if they're going to want to get it done
• 26:51
  Speaker 8: just because of how high profile the quarterback position is
• 26:54
  Speaker 8: rather than a corner.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: I don't have it. You guys can do this. I
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: can't do it yet. Right.
• 27:02
  Speaker 13: Today.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: I felt like I got out of prison. I know
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: when I, when I woke up and find out that
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: Gonzalez had signed.
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: I wonder what Drake's mentality will be towards it. Cause like, Naively,
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: I'm like, he's kind of like an aw shucks guy.
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: He doesn't seem like that money motivated, but everyone is now.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: That and $ 70 million annually.
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: Remember when Bryce Harper signed that crazy first extension? I
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: forget what the money actually was, but I remember it
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: was like, oh my God, look at these contracts players
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: are getting now. And I think Drake Mays is going
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: to have a Bryce Harper type contract that's just like,
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: oh my God, this is beyond baseball money.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: He more than likely will be the highest paid player
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: in football when he signs. I mean, I'm not going
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: to guarantee it, but more than likely.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to belabor it, but, I mean,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: it is interesting with the other two quarterbacks drafted ahead
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: of him how that all plays out, how those seasons
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: look like, you know, and now are we looking at it.
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: And what those two guys accomplished this year to try
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: to get, you know.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Right, and that's probably where we're going to spend the
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: whole offseason, stacking guys up and who's worth what and
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: who goes when.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: And it could be three others, depending on how it
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: goes for Bo Nix, you know, because I think his
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: value might be on the rise after that AFC championship game.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: So we'll see. I think that's a pretty good roster
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: Denver has. If they win 13 games or so again,
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: he's going to want to get paid too. Yeah, yeah.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: All right, we can get off the contract talk.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: I don't have to do my Andy Dufresne getting out
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: of 500 yards of filth. That's how I felt this
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: morning when I woke up and found out that Gonzalez
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: had signed. I know, me too.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Thank God. Well, I was surprised that it seemed like
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: people were awake waiting for it at like 2 a.m.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: And I know some of our crew was out on
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: the West Coast, but I woke up and I'm like,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: what's all these notifications from like the middle of the night?
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: You know, some of it's like Evan and Fred, you know,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: out on the West Coast.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: Did you have notifications, Chad? I don't do the notifications,
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: so I just went up and I said, oh.
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: You didn't have like Twitter alerts on?
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: God, no. I do.
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying you have to wake up to.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Them, but you don't have them?
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: I don't have Twitter alerts.
• 28:58
  Speaker 8: I do have the notifications, but I was driving home
• 29:01
  Speaker 8: from Bangor to Arundel, and I pulled in the house
• 29:04
  Speaker 8: at the perfect time.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: Weren't we all?
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: What's that drive like, Jack?
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: Sorry, so it's about two hours straight. It's two hours
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: straight of no turns, just straight woods and highway.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: No streetlights.
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: There's no streetlights out there.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: But it was perfect. I pulled in the driveway. News broke.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: It was money for me.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: No, it was nice. I was surprised then because as
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I was kind of scrolling back, I'm like, some of
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: these dudes woke up at 3 a.m. just to get
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: a tweet out. Cleary-eyed.
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: It definitely made me wonder and think of the whole, okay,
• 29:35
  Speaker 8: Schefter brings his phone in the shower.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Do they sleep?
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: Truly.
• 29:40
  Speaker 8: It makes me wonder how these guys rest for a second.
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: Because imagine you decide, okay, I'm going to get a
• 29:45
  Speaker 8: good night's sleep tonight. And then you wake up and
• 29:47
  Speaker 8: you miss the gonzo scoop. That would have been heartbreaking.
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: It sounds like a miserable life.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Constantly on call for potential breaking. And the first
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: one I saw, like, now again, this morning was Jeremy Fowler.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: And it looked, it was like 1253. Yeah. So is
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: he getting informed at like, you know, nine.
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: 53, 1242.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: True. What's that?
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: Where, where's he based?
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: Uh, I don't know.
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: LA, New York.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just going by the tweet said 1240,
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: 1253 or whatever.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: So I assume that's Eastern time.
• 30:18
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: I think Fowler's a Miami guy. So I don't know
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: where he is at the time, but yeah, I didn't
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: find out until... This morning I woke up, took a shower,
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: got dressed.
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: 6 a.m., alarm went off. What, did the lock screen?
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: Because I have tweet alerts.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: Well, that's the first thing you do is look at
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: your phone.
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: I locked it back, and I put it.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Back down, and I snooze for another 15. So you
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: don't wake up and look at your phone. What do
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: you do? You wake up? What's your alarm?
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: Your phone's not your alarm?
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: I don't see.
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: You just wake up with the sun?
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: When you reach a certain age, you do not need
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: an alarm. Can confirm.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: So Fred teases me about this. I probably am the
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: only person that has a phone that does not have
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: the phone in my bedroom. Really?
• 31:01
  Speaker 11: No.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: Good for you. I need to start doing that. I
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: need to find a way to do that.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: No.
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: But it's not for like esoteric, like he doesn't care
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: about the Wi-Fi signals messing with his sleep.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: It's just.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Just don't care. I don't want to have it there
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: because then I'll look at it. You have a house phone?
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: You are the type of person I feel like that
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: could still have a flip phone.
• 31:17
  Speaker 11: No.
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: Are you sure?
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: No.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: I think you could. No, I like these phones.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: They're very easy to use. Do you still have a
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: house phone call?
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: I have a landline. Okay, so in case of emergency. No,
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: my phone would ring and I'd hear it. It's only
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: in the kitchen. It's not like I don't, yeah. So
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: you're leaving the ringer on.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I'm not Fred.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: I don't live in a house that, you know, is
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: worthy of a podcast.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Your butler would get you.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: You know, my butler answers the phone. So your ringer's on, though?
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: Okay, all right. Does anyone call you anymore? I feel
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: like nobody calls.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: I don't get phone calls.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: No, but I do, in the back of my mind,
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: I do wonder, like, God forbid something happens in my family,
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: someone would call, but I would hear the phone ring. Yeah. Well,
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: now I feel bad for someone that texts at 1 a.m.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: You probably heard a ding.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Can you guys believe this?
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: We're all asleep, bro.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: I didn't hear that, so.
• 32:02
  Speaker 9: Good.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: I don't feel better.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I also just feel like I'm, we're
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: losing our minds with the amount of money that's being
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: thrown around in sports. And it's just like, you know,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: like I, like I can't look at a hundred million
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: dollars and even wrap my head around what it would
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: be like to have that much money.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: And it's like, all right.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: They still didn't give him enough. It could be worse.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: It could be Frazier Minton. You're getting like 73 million,
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: 20 million a year.
• 32:25
  Speaker 10: Oh, great.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: 7 million a year for that day.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: All right, well, I feel like we've sufficiently set the table,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: and now I'm going to do my Bob's read, Paul,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: because it looks fun. Hut, hut, hike! The Pats are
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: back in action, and it's time to get your home
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: game day ready with Bob's Discount Furniture. Shop Bob's for
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: fan favorites like the Fusion Entertainment Center, featuring high-quality hardware
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: and a trendy two-tone design that's sure to be the
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: talk of your next watch party. Plus, with adjustable shelves,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: a convenient cord management opening, and touch-activated LED lighting. Lighting,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: not lightning. You can spend less time getting set up
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: for the game and more time cheering on your team.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: So stop in or shop online to score big on
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: football season finds with Bob's Discount Furniture, the official furniture
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: store of the New England Patriots.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: I jumped to it, so I want you to know.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: I jumped.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Did you like my cadence? What was your cadence, Paul?
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Did you guys agree 19 or white 80? You guys
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: were clapping back then, right? Down, set.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: Down, set.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Down. Let's check in here on the hotline.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: If I put it on two, Steve DeSantis would jump offside.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Mark in Connecticut was waiting for us right from the get-go.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: Hey, Mark, what's going on?
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Mark? Oh, hi, Mark. Oh, hi, Mark.
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: That's what he's waiting for.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, bye, Mark. All right, sorry, Mark. Call back. All right,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Herm's down in D.C. Hey, Herm.
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: Hey, what's going on? It's a good day to be
• 33:49
  Speaker 9: a patriot.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: Isn't every day a good day to be a patriot?
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: We're all patriots.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: We're all patriots.
• 33:56
  Speaker 13: That is true.
• 33:56
  Speaker 14: That is true.
• 33:57
  Speaker 9: Actually, Paul, I wanted to give you a little bit
• 34:01
  Speaker 9: of props for once. Oh.
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: Because.
• 34:06
  Speaker 9: I saw a clip, and full transparency, out of watch,
• 34:11
  Speaker 9: felt a mess because, to be honest with.
• 34:13
  Speaker 15: You, I think it's a trash show.
• 34:15
  Speaker 9: But I saw you on it. I was like, okay,
• 34:16
  Speaker 9: let me just imagine this. But I saw you on it, right?
• 34:21
  Speaker 9: And I feel like they're obviously the biggest perpetrators of
• 34:26
  Speaker 9: the narrative that Robert Kraft has achieved, which we really
• 34:31
  Speaker 9: disagree with, which obviously proved us all wrong today. But
• 34:35
  Speaker 9: I guess the reason why I wanted to give you
• 34:36
  Speaker 9: props was, and I was kind of thinking along the
• 34:40
  Speaker 9: lines of you, I don't think that Robert Kraft had
• 34:45
  Speaker 9: an opportunity in a long time until, you know, obviously today,
• 34:50
  Speaker 9: to actually pay somebody, right? So all these individuals who
• 34:54
  Speaker 9: are always complaining about how Robert Kraft is cheap, how
• 34:56
  Speaker 9: Robert Kraft is cheap, I'm just trying to figure out
• 35:00
  Speaker 9: who they wanted to pay. You know what I mean?
• 35:02
  Speaker 9: At that time. Now, obviously, if he would have done
• 35:05
  Speaker 9: that deal with Gonzo, that would have been a different story.
• 35:07
  Speaker 9: But I guess I'll just say, when you broke down
• 35:11
  Speaker 9: all the players that we drafted that, you know, obviously
• 35:15
  Speaker 9: weren't worth, you know, record-setting money, that kind of, like,
• 35:20
  Speaker 9: I think, puts it into perspective of, I guess, who a.
• 35:30
  Speaker 9: Who they didn't pay that wasn't worth their money, essentially.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that's the problem that we've talked about
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: really ad nauseum at this point is the drafting. And
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: they haven't had a lot of players that have been
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: worthy of second contracts. I think that will be tested
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: a little bit. Well, certainly the Patriots hope that will
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: be tested in a couple of years with the class
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: from 25. They had contributions from a lot of those
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: guys as rookies. So, you know, I think it's reasonable
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: to expect two years from now when those are all,
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: all those guys are three years into their deals. You
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: probably have a guy or two, you know, among Will Campbell,
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: Trevion Henderson, Kyle Williams, Craig Woodson. You know, even if
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: you wanted to go further down the line with like
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: Andy Borgalis, you know, there's going to be guys that
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: are going to be up for, Up for debate. And
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: we'll see how many of those guys that they end
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: up retaining. Because that's when I think the rubber will
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: meet the road. Thanks, Herm. Appreciate the call. I kind
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: of wonder about Will Campbell.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: That's an interesting one. Left tackle, another premium position that
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: would be big bucks if he were to play really
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: well and be in consideration for a big deal like that,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: especially when, like we talked about, Big deal, Gonzalez. Probably
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: a big deal for May. And then you ready to
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: do another big deal for Will Campbell third year in
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: a row?
• 36:54
  Speaker 8: That's what makes a game like this tomorrow night for
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: Will Campbell so huge. You're not going to pay a
• 36:58
  Speaker 8: guy top dollar to look like that in the playoffs.
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: Injury or not, you're just not going to sign up
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: for that. this is such a massive year for him
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: in terms of proving that he's got not only for
• 37:07
  Speaker 8: a potential contract, but also his spot as the left
• 37:10
  Speaker 8: tackle on this team. And that's what I'm most excited about.
• 37:12
  Speaker 8: You know, I understand, you know, the old line guy,
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: I feel like that is becoming a common theme, but
• 37:16
  Speaker 8: we all got our thing. I'm so fired up to
• 37:18
  Speaker 8: watch him and Wilson and see if they've taken a
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: step forward this off season on how they can protect
• 37:24
  Speaker 8: and just how they look.
• 37:25
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, we'll Campbell look like a guy last year.
• 37:27
  Speaker 8: Wilson looked like a guy last year in that Superbowl
• 37:29
  Speaker 8: where they were drowning right in a, in a sea of, of,
• 37:32
  Speaker 8: defense that was the Seahawks.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: That's why I brought up what I brought up last about,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: you know, being too amped up and he's a guy
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: that will Campbell. I mean, I think he's, he's pretty
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: even keeled, but like he's one that, you know, caught,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: caught a lot of crap about this game and, you know,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: going in there and I don't think he's like this,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: but I, you know, I would personally maybe feel a
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: little bit like I got to go in and play
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: with something to prove, maybe try to do too much,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: you know, and I just don't want it. It's week
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: one of the 26 season. I don't think he needs
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: to go in there and, you know, pitch a shutout
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: and show everybody they were wrong and, you know, do
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: all that stuff.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: Just go out there.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: And I think this is the message too, from the team,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: you know, take it snap to snap, but he's one
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: guy that I just worry about maybe a little bit
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: trying to do too much.
• 38:11
  Speaker 8: You know what that makes me, Paul, I want to
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: ask you this as someone who's been around for a while,
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: is the full playbook open tomorrow? I understand Superbowl 60 rematch.
• 38:20
  Speaker 8: I think that means more for the fans and selling
• 38:23
  Speaker 8: the game and selling opening.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Night than it might for the actual season.
• 38:27
  Speaker 8: Because at the end of the day, it's an at-a-conference game.
• 38:32
  Speaker 8: It's not like there's a committee on the college football
• 38:33
  Speaker 8: playoffs who's deciding, hey, the Patriots, are they getting in
• 38:36
  Speaker 8: the playoffs or not?
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: I wonder if, are they going to let it loose?
• 38:40
  Speaker 8: Is it going to be kind of one of those
• 38:41
  Speaker 8: things where I just think of, the experience that I
• 38:43
  Speaker 8: have is, we go play a big at-a-conference game in college, right?
• 38:47
  Speaker 8: You want to win the game. You're going to do
• 38:48
  Speaker 8: everything you can to win the game. You've got conference
• 38:50
  Speaker 8: games to worry about later on in the year. You're
• 38:52
  Speaker 8: not letting it rip. So I wonder if you're going
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: to see kind of a, not a watered-down version, but
• 38:58
  Speaker 8: a more.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: Simple version of these teams tomorrow night? Or if they're
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: just going to.
• 39:01
  Speaker 8: Because that's what I think the Super Bowl, the Seattle
• 39:03
  Speaker 8: defense was pulling out everything. Anything they had in the chamber,
• 39:07
  Speaker 8: they were letting it go. Because it's the dang Super Bowl.
• 39:10
  Speaker 8: I wonder if we're going to see that tomorrow or
• 39:12
  Speaker 8: if they're going to be a little more tamed.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think you'll see anything tamed.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: Now, I think everything in that league is dictated by
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: game plans, specific game plans. So is the whole... playbook open.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: I don't know that, that they could run anything, but
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: I think Josh McDaniels spent the offseason figuring out what
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: he wanted to do against this defense. And I would
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: think that Mike McDonald, and Evan disagrees with you and I, Mike,
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: on this, I would think Mike McDonald looked at it
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: and said, I can't just do the same stuff with
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: Devin Witherspoon that I did last year. and expect them
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: to not understand how to block it. They're going to
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: be ready for that. So I'm going to need to
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: come up with that, but something else, some other kind
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: of wrinkle. Now, maybe their injuries in the secondary, which
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: I don't think have gotten nearly enough play. We've been
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: talking about Eamon Worry for a while, you and I might,
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: but they also lost Bud Clark. He's out for the year,
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: who broke his ankle in the preseason. And now his
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: replacement is probably not going to play. He hasn't practiced
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: the last two days, did not participate, like not limited,
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: did not participate. I don't expect those kinds of guys
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: to play. So you could be down to the third safety.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: Maybe they can't do as much of that stuff in
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: the secondary that they did. They can't be as exotic
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: because you need to make sure that someone in the
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: back end is making sure A.J. Brown doesn't run by
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: somebody or Kyle Williams doesn't run by somebody. So those
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: kinds of things, I think, can change very specific to
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: game plan. But I think once the regular season comes
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: in the NFL, you got to try to win the games.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: I know there's a big notion of well, it's an
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: extension of the preseason. Bill used to perpetrate that on
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: everybody and I never bought it then and I don't
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: buy it now. I think these games, they don't play
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: enough of them. The games are all important. You know?
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: It's a really interesting thing I've been thinking about this
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: week of just you get too caught up in like, well,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: this is what they did in the Super Bowl and
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: we beat them on this so now they might adjust
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: this way so now, so we should do this. Like,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: do you, you know, football's such a game where you get,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: it's easy to get caught up in all that stuff
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: whereas maybe the simple answer is like, let's do what
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: we're really good at, keep it simple, not try to,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: you know, overthink too much at this point. We'll start
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: stacking on the things that we're good at. But I
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: imagine it's easy to look at that Super Bowl tape
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: and be like, they got us on this, so we
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: should do that. You know, like to just put too
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: much on that game. That's just kind of the theme,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I guess, for me for this show is trying to
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: put that in.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: Proper context for the 2026 season.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: And yes, it can be motivation and that you're playing
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: a good team and you're going to have to play
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: good teams this year. You're going to have to beat
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: teams to play this way. So it's a good way
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: to kick things off. But at the same time, I
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: don't think you put the whole season on this one game.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: It's not a referendum on the season.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, just look at what happened last year and
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: the Patriots came and came out one and two. And,
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: you know, I don't know, I don't know how many
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: people would have driven home from that train wreck of
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: a game against Pittsburgh. With all those turnovers that Alex
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: talked about earlier in the show.
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: Do you remember our first show after that game? What
• 42:01
  Speaker 7: a moment in time. Honestly, I would never listen to
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: old shows. That's the one I would ever.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Be intrigued to. Were we all depressed? Because I feel
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: like I was like, is this just going to be
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: it now?
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: This is our life now. This is still our life.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Geno Smith haunting our dreams. Like, what is going on? Yeah,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: that was not fun.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: Alex, you picked the Raiders in that one, though, no?
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: I did.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: Sharp.
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: Because week one is wacky. That's why I picked the Patriots.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: In this one.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: Week one is wacky.
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: It's the best time to see them.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: The Raiders game is exactly what Alex said. Fluky week one.
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: McDaniel's first game.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: The Raiders outplayed the Patriots in that game. They deserve
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: to win. The Pittsburgh game, my God, the Patriots just
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: handed the game over. And then you could do what
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: Fred did, because that's what Fred does, and just say,
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: I come away from this game encouraged. They could win
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: if they don't mess it up. They easily could have
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: won if they didn't hand the game away. I'm all
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: for delusion. Again, it's typical Fred Luck. He ends up
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: being right for all the wrong reasons.
• 43:02
  Speaker 8: The power of friendship carries us through.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: I just don't know how many other than Fred envision
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: them rattling off 14 wins based on those first three weeks.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: None of us. The closest I can get is just
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: that you always had the disclaimer of, If Drake May
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: goes off, all bets are off. And Drake May went off,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: and all bets were kind of off.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: But I would have said, if Drake May goes off,
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: maybe they could win 11 or 12 games. I wouldn't
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: have said 14 games in the Super Bowl. No way
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: I would have said that.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: All right, let's take a visit out to L.A.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: With our guy Christian. Hey, Christian, what's going on?
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Hey, you guys. Hey, you guys.
• 43:37
  Speaker 16: Hey, you guys.
• 43:38
  Speaker 14: So, Paul, as crazy as it is, and as infrequently
• 43:44
  Speaker 14: as it happens, I'm going to agree with you. I
• 43:46
  Speaker 14: think no other sport, no other sport besides football doesn't
• 43:50
  Speaker 14: matter so very much psychologically to the team and both
• 43:53
  Speaker 14: their records, how a team starts. So I totally agree
• 43:57
  Speaker 14: with you on that. I think this particular.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Game is going to swing on Will Campbell's performance again, psychologically, too.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: If he goes out there and just shows he can
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: hold his own. Not pancake every guy, but just shows
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: he can hold his own. I think the offense is
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: going to feel like, hey, we got a shot at this.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: And the defense is going to feel like, okay, we're
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: not going to be on the field the whole game.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: And conversely, right, if he goes up there and gets smoked, yeah,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: the defense is going to get discouraged right away, and
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: that's going to set the tone. So connecting to what
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Paul said, too, the way this game goes down, I
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: think no other sport matters as much as that. But
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: my question is this, you guys. So Christian Gonzalez gets
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: $ 100 million guaranteed, $ 102 million guaranteed. That means he can
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: go out tomorrow, let's say, and break his leg and
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: can't play anymore. The team has to pay him that
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: $ 100 million, right?
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Does that come?
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: No.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: No, it would be about 53 and change.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, so then it's not fully guaranteed. It's, like, guaranteed
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: on contingencies and stuff like.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: That, right? Right. Yep, you got it.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, and do we.
• 45:04
  Speaker 14: Have an insurance policy to pay that, or does that literally.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Come out of the team's budget? And I have to
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: gain 24-7, Pat. Let's go, Pat.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that I don't know the answer to those insurance
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: kind of questions. Nor do I care to know. Yeah,
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: I believe that some of the reports said he got
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: 33 in a signing bonus. So that kind of stuff...
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: whatever the guarantee portion is that's guaranteed, regardless of what happens,
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: needs to be an escrow.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: That I do know.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: And then he gets it on the dates. But some
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: of the quote-unquote guarantees are his salary gets guaranteed if
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: he's on the roster the fifth day of a league year,
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: as an example. Or I think he gets $ 100, 000 in
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: per-game roster bonuses each year beyond this year. This year
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: is fully guaranteed. But starting next year, it's like 1.7
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: total for per-game roster bonuses. So if he misses three games,
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: that's $ 300, 000 he doesn't get. And obviously, they're all listed
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: as guarantees. But in the NFL, guarantee doesn't mean what.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: You think it does.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: Are we talking LTBE or NLTBE? No, that's all cap.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: That's all cap stuff.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: We're not doing that. No, incentives are capped. You either
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: make an incentive or you don't. They're just ruled ahead
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: of time. Right. If it's a likely to be earned incentive,
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: that just means you did it last year. If it's
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: not likely to be earned, that means you didn't do
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: it the year before. But that's for cap purposes. So
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: if it's likely, it goes on the cap that year.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: If it's unlikely and you reach it, it goes on
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: the cap the next year.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: It's all bookkeeping. That's my favorite part of covering football,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: talking about contract.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: You know, when I got into this, that's what I thought.
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: I want to do, like, contract.
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: That's going to be your niche?
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: The accounting?
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Nonsense.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: I'm a huge incentives guy. I love incentives.
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: Seller cap school, Paul Perillo.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: Basically, he has to play in the games to get
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: that $ 102 million guaranteed.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: You know, he has workout bonuses that he gets, but
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: he's got to show up for them.
• 47:04
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: That's why the phrasing is always up to blank guaranteed.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: Or worth as much as blank.
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and only in the NFL does the word guaranteed
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: not mean guaranteed.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Not exactly.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: Not entirely guaranteed. Frazier Minton, guaranteed.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: I would look forward to killing the Bruins all year.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: What do you think the impact is, though, of Gonzalez?
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: showing good faith, showing up to training camp, practicing, you know,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: kind of being here. Does that have any kind of,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: you know, now we're looking at another player wants to,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm going to do the hold in. Does
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: that give the team any leverage to say? It kind
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: of did.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: I think it kind of worked because I think they
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: were worried that he wasn't going to play tomorrow night.
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: That makes sense because all the reporting, like even up
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: through yesterday, was they're not close.
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: Talks are done.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: He did miss all of the joint practices. Soft, secretive Holden.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, I do wonder about that.
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: It's like quiet quitting.
• 48:02
  Speaker 9: That phrase.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: It's like, I'm here, but I don't know.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: We'll see.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: We can get off of that stuff.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: It's got to mean something in the room, though. It's
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: definitely got to mean something in the room.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: I think so.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: A nice little boost.
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: I think it was good for him, too. It was
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: kind of like.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think he handled himself well. as well as
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: you could possibly expect a guy to handle himself.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: I think he expressed frustration. He didn't, like, deny that.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: I think he was professional. He didn't do his negotiating
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: in the media. Nope.
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: He was showing up to community events. Or on social media.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. All right, let's go to where the game is.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: Boots on the ground.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Boots on the ground in Seattle. Hey, Anthony. I know.
• 48:39
  Speaker 16: It's pretty exciting. Alex, thank you for making time for us.
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: Only for you, Anthony. Big week for you.
• 48:50
  Speaker 16: Jack, welcome. I think this will be my first time
• 48:53
  Speaker 16: interacting with Jack, so welcome.
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: Appreciate it, brother.
• 48:56
  Speaker 16: So, hey, listen, you guys know me. I'm usually Mr.
• 48:58
  Speaker 16: Happy-Go-Lucky and all that stuff, and I'm sure I'm still
• 49:02
  Speaker 16: having some feelings right now, and obviously I'm going to
• 49:05
  Speaker 16: the game tomorrow, and for sure if we find a
• 49:07
  Speaker 16: way to win this one, I'm not even going to
• 49:09
  Speaker 16: be thinking about this. But today, today I'm still mad.
• 49:12
  Speaker 16: I'm sorry, but it's like, <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL>
• 49:20
  Speaker 16: been a given. And the fact that I had to
• 49:22
  Speaker 16: have a legitimate fear that Christian Gonzalez might not be
• 49:27
  Speaker 16: in this team's long-term plans is ridiculous to me. If
• 49:30
  Speaker 16: we're drafting develop and you draft a guy and he
• 49:32
  Speaker 16: develops into one of the very best there is, I mean,
• 49:36
  Speaker 16: these ones are no-brainers. And the fact that it took
• 49:39
  Speaker 16: this long, there was a certain time threshold where I
• 49:41
  Speaker 16: felt like, okay, if it lingers a little bit, that's fine.
• 49:44
  Speaker 16: But it got done. But they passed that time threshold,
• 49:47
  Speaker 16: and they got it done at the 11th hour. Mentally,
• 49:49
  Speaker 16: I was already, I'm like, man, F these guys, man.
• 49:52
  Speaker 16: He's going to play, start the season without himself. Yeah,
• 49:54
  Speaker 16: I woke up tomorrow, I saw the news, but it
• 49:56
  Speaker 16: still was like, nah, F you guys, man. You guys,
• 49:58
  Speaker 16: I'm still mad, you.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Know what I mean? Sorry, stay mad. Yeah, one more day.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: and just invest in it.
• 50:04
  Speaker 16: It would be a couple of, obviously it's just feeling
• 50:07
  Speaker 16: the deal got done and it's going to be the past.
• 50:09
  Speaker 16: But just today, I just wanted to rant to my
• 50:12
  Speaker 16: guys and gal and let you guys know I'm still
• 50:15
  Speaker 16: mad at the team and I'm glad the deal got done.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: And that's a Felger and Mads team. There you go. Thanks, Anthony.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: Enjoy the game tomorrow night.
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: Thanks, Anthony.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: I think you should take one maybe past defense on
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Smith and Jigba. All right, he's back. He'll be right
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: back on board.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: You know me. I go the other way on that.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: Let's see what happens if he gives up a pass
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: or two.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: We gave him too much money.
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: We never gave him this money.
• 50:39
  Speaker 9: Maybe if he didn't threaten all year, he'd be showing
• 50:42
  Speaker 9: up for a joint practice.
• 50:43
  Speaker 6: Well, that would be pretty on brand for the Twitter
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: fan base.
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. That's why we don't use it anymore. I
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: get Anthony's frustration. Why did it have to take so long?
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: I don't really care about that right now. I'm just done.
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: My national nightmare is over. I feel so good about it, though.
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: It's over. That's the best part about it. All right,
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: we got Pablo from New York. Hey, Pablo, what's going on? Hey,
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: how's it going?
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: All right. Um, it's Pavlov, but Pablo works. All right.
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: Okay. Cause I was a little worried that it was
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: Pablo Torre. And I was going to say, I'm sorry,
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: I'm not available.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: The look of confusion on Matt Murrell's face as he
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: like said that, I think, what? How could that be?
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: No worries at all. I'll be quick and take it
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: off the air.
• 51:26
  Speaker 13: I just wanted to ask you guys if you could
• 51:28
  Speaker 13: compare the 2014 cornerbacks with the current roster. Both are
• 51:33
  Speaker 13: super talented. Obviously, Browner is very different than what we
• 51:37
  Speaker 13: have now with Marcus Jones, but still kind of like
• 51:40
  Speaker 13: specialized player plus a really strong safety group. I just
• 51:43
  Speaker 13: wanted to hear your comparisons from their preseason and the
• 51:47
  Speaker 13: current preseason that happened.
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: I think this group is a lot better.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Interesting. 2014.
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Darrell Rivas is in a class by himself.
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: He's a tremendous player, Hall of Fame player. Even though
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: he was sort of winding down in 2004, he was
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: still elite. Brandon Browner was fine. He was fine. Like,
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: nothing more, nothing less. No better or worse than Carlton Davis.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: And Marcus Jones is vastly superior to Kyle Errington. Yeah,
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: that's no doubt. I think this group is better.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say so too. I mean, I.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: I'd do that good without having to look it up.
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: Now he's going to tell me about all the guys
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: that played that I don't remember.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, God. No, I think you're pretty dead on.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: It was Arrington was the third guy, was he not?
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was real streaky, too.
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: Uh, it was, was a perfectly fine player. I think
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: Marcus Jones last year anyway, it was much better.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:44
  Speaker 8: Paul, when you started pulling up specific plays out of
• 52:46
  Speaker 8: your brain from before I was born, I stopped.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Well, I do think that trivia skills yet. No, I,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: the big.
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: Guy was a Chris Matthews, 13 for the Seahawks. He, uh,
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: he high topped, uh, he high topped Arrington in that
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: game a few times. And that's why Malcolm Butler ended
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: up coming in.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Is that what you're kind of talking about? Great.
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: It's great.
• 53:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: That was a great game. That was a new guy.
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: It was a Super Bowl. It wasn't like a random game,
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: which I could also do if you need me to.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: I think the safety position is kind of interesting to analyze, too.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: You had Devin McCourty kind of in his prime on
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: the back end. You had Patrick Chung really solidifying himself
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: as that strong safety and then do. So you really
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: had three guys that were at that point. I mean,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: I think probably better was like second year 14 was
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: probably a better set of safety, but maybe a little
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: bit better. I mean, I love the potential of Craig Woodson.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: I think, um, you know, I think he's really good.
• 53:41
  Speaker 6: It's like the youth and the promise of it.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, and Bayard, maybe he's somewhere in the
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: vicinity of Devin McCourty too, but you know, it's a
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: little different defense. I'm interested to see how they use him.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: If he's playing down in the box a little bit too.
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: Um, Let's grab one more call, though. Tim's out in Phoenix. Hey, Tim.
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: Hey, guys.
• 54:00
  Speaker 15: What's going on? And Alex.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Hey. Hey.
• 54:05
  Speaker 15: Real quick, a shout-out to all the professionals out there
• 54:07
  Speaker 15: in the U.S. Navy doing their thing. Wish I was
• 54:10
  Speaker 15: still doing it. On the depth issue, though, I wanted
• 54:13
  Speaker 15: to say I've been on three basic types of teams,
• 54:16
  Speaker 15: one where I was the only one that knew what
• 54:17
  Speaker 15: was going on, and they had to move me from
• 54:20
  Speaker 15: corner to safety just so I could see everything. Two,
• 54:23
  Speaker 15: where everybody knew what was going on and we could
• 54:24
  Speaker 15: really spin the dial and we didn't have to worry
• 54:26
  Speaker 15: about anything. And the third is when you have one
• 54:29
  Speaker 15: or two guys that are the weak link. Everybody on
• 54:31
  Speaker 15: the field knows who they are. The coaches know who
• 54:34
  Speaker 15: they are. The people on the stands that are paying
• 54:36
  Speaker 15: attention know who they are. When that happens, you adjust accordingly.
• 54:39
  Speaker 15: The coaches call plays accordingly. Everybody out on the field
• 54:43
  Speaker 15: is out there to support each other. So if we
• 54:45
  Speaker 15: get an injury or two, I'm not too worried. But
• 54:47
  Speaker 15: if the whole team gets injured, you're looking at what
• 54:49
  Speaker 15: we saw in preseason. I don't think that's likely.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks, Tim. Yeah, I mean, in theory, I would agree
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: with that. I would need to know more information, like
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: who were the one or two injuries that they get.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: I think that would very greatly, you know, like Travion
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: Henderson's out tonight, and I don't think that's ideal, but
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: I don't think that's really going to impact the game
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: all that much.
• 55:13
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: You know, Drake May goes down, I have a different opinion.
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: You know, you lose.
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: Milton Williams, that has an impact on the game to me.
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: You lose Christian Gonzalez, that has an impact on the
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: game to me.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Hunter Henry.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: You know, Hunter Henry might be in that category. I
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: think you can work around Hunter Henry because I think
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: you have some depth at wide receiver and you just
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: kind of take the tight end out and use four
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: wide and sort of go that way. But yeah, I mean,
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: within reason, I would agree with Tim, but there's a handful,
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: I would say maybe a half dozen players. Robert Spillane,
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: to me, would be a really tough guy to just
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: Work around.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: You know, they don't have a lot of guys to
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: fill in. And they're already thin on the edge.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: Real quick, before we take a break, Paul, I want
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: to talk about the tight end position a little bit
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: just with Hunter Henry.
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: And, you know, what do we expect.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Behind him? Because, you know, we saw plenty of Eli
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Raritan kind of working with him. I think Eli Raritan
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: is going to get some snaps. But, you know, the
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: two guys that they brought in, Cameron Latu, who's played,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: you know, played one year, but 103 offensive snaps, played,
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: you know, 257 snaps.
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: Special team snaps last year.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: And then Shane Zylstra, you know, who's a little bit
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: of a four-year vet, he's played a bunch of snaps.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: He's got, you know, 18 career catches, nothing. But, you know,
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: do one of those guys kind of enter the mix?
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: Or do you kind of throw Raritan in the fire
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: and see what he's got?
• 56:36
  Speaker 8: I think with the amount of snaps he got in
• 56:39
  Speaker 8: the preseason, I would lean Raritan, just with how involved
• 56:42
  Speaker 8: he was. And both times I showed up to practice,
• 56:45
  Speaker 8: he was involved. The preseason games took a lot of snaps.
• 56:47
  Speaker 8: I think it seemed like they were certainly molding him
• 56:49
  Speaker 8: to play a role on the team this year.
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: I'm just not expecting them to run the ball overly
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: effectively in week one, so I don't really see the
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: need for one of those extra guys. You know, if
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: it's Tanner Arkin or, you know, Latu, I don't. I
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: don't know how to suss it all out. Raritan, I think,
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: will get a handful of snaps, and maybe they can
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: dial something up and sneak him out. I think they
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: did that in the Super Bowl to Austin Hooper, and unfortunately,
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: Drake May overthrew him. He was wide open on the
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: near sideline.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: I want to say in the third quarter, just overshot him.
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: So that's a play that I think if you can
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: dial up for Reardon and make the play, he has
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: the athleticism to put a chunk play together.
• 57:30
  Speaker 8: Paul, are your concerns with the run game a O-line thing?
• 57:33
  Speaker 8: Is it a Seahawks D-line thing? Is it a week
• 57:35
  Speaker 8: one thing? Because obviously offense is the toughest thing to
• 57:37
  Speaker 8: get going, right? When you see week one, week two,
• 57:39
  Speaker 8: week three, it's never clean.
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: I don't think the Patriots run the ball all that
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: effectively in their best days, number one. But I don't
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: think they've run it at all this summer. So it's
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: partly what we've seen in training camp. and mostly it's
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: what I see from Seattle. I think they're really tough
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: to run the ball against. Where you miss Henderson, I think,
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: in that is maybe you won't consistently open up a
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: lot of holes, but on that time that you do
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: find a crease, does Henderson give you 25 yards, whereas
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: maybe Stevenson's giving you 10 on a similar kind of play?
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: I think there's an argument to be made. You lose
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: some of that explosiveness, but I don't expect them to
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, if they can, it would be a huge
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: boost for the offense. But I'm not expecting them to
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: run the ball 25 times for like 125 yards. I'd
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: be very surprised if that happened. Like forgetting Drake May scrambles.
• 58:32
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: or 12 times this season. But you know who I'm
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  Speaker 4: I know that's going to come as a shock to
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  Speaker 4: My affection for Ramondre Stevenson. But it's not just what
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  Speaker 7: going to get you can go the sushi avenue you
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 7: can go like a more entree get a couple apps.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 8: Any way you go you know it's going to be
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 8: fresh now i'm starving sorry jack speaking of fantasy though
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 8: i think it is funny everyone wants henderson to be
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 8: that kind of pass catching back role and really stevenson's
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 8: the guy yeah well that's and that's what i was
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 8: thinking as paul said you know and if they did
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 8: have to get into a little bit of a rotation
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 8: i don't think reminder stevenson's going wire to wire with
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 8: every single carry but you know, he gives you that
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 8: flexibility that maybe you do just save them for third
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 8: down because you know, you can trust him more than
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 8: anybody else on the roster, but third down, we don't
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 8: necessarily need to give them like let's two yards in
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 8: a cloud of dust.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: And get seven Seahawks piled on top of him.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's Hassan Haskins' job, and you save Ramondre for
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: some of those critical third downs.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: Fantasy owners also want Henderson to be like Jameer Gibbs
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: so bad. I do, too.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be opposed to that. I'm not going to lie.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to lie, dawg.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: If that happened, I wouldn't be upset about it.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: That'd be great.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: Trying to will into existence on message boards.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man. That's what's... crazy is you know
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: we obviously don't often we don't see practice during the
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: season but we were all out there at practice and
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: you know everybody saw him kind of stumble and you're
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: like oh you know and you never know all of
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: a sudden now that's you know something that they're going
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: to have to work around and deal with maybe there's
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: an update but we saw him walking through the locker
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: room all week he did he was not going out
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: to practice seemed like he was behind everybody so We'll
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: see how it all comes together. But there's a chance.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: You know, they ruled Ben Brown out because he didn't
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: make the trip, and they didn't do that with Henderson.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: So I would say until we find out, which is today,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: 4 o'clock today, you know, a couple more hours.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'd expect Haskins or Corey Kiner. Maybe more Haskins
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: just because he's been here a little bit longer. But
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: we'll see. So, guys, another little thing here just to
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: kick off our second hour. And please give us a call, 855-PATS-500.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: Shoot us an email. I haven't gotten any emails today.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: It's a little sad.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: Love a game. Paul loves games.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: You want to challenge us to a game? I do
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: love me some games.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: Send us some trivia. Patriots history. Some of us go
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: way back, so we know that.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: But I did just some counting.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: And, you know, it's something I've been hitting on, guys,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: is just that special teams can be a little different,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: a lot different for the Patriots in this game. I
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: looked at, you know, their return and kick units during
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl and the number of new faces that
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: will exist in this game. On the kickoff team will
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: be six. On the punt team will be eight. On
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: the kickoff return team will be nine. On the punt
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: return team, it'll be eight. And, of course, your new
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: punter is going to be Mitch Wischnowski, who was just
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: added to the practice squad and has never punted for
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: the Patriots before. I don't know if these numbers are
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: significant or if that's just how it goes every year.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: I am used to looking out and seeing, like, Matthew
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: Slater out there, Brennan School, or somebody that, like, I
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: know can do the job. We heard from Jeremy Springer
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: a couple days ago.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: He said, you know, we're not going to tell you
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: who the returners are.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: We're not going to tell you who.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: The gunners are.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: So it's just a lot of uncertainty, and I look
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: at it in two ways. Of course, Paul, your other guy,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: Marcus Jones, I mean, that's a huge weapon for the Patriots,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: so it's going to have a bunch of new guys
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: blocking for him. But the other guy that you mentioned,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: Rashid Shahid, who's a great kickoff returner as well, you're
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: going to have a lot of new faces in this
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: third phase that often gets overlooked, but I just think
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: it's an area that, A lot of times games like this,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: especially when there's a lot of mistakes early on, it
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: can be, it can make a big difference. And you're
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: not going to be relying on maybe in some cases,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: guys who are either rookies or just showed up like
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: last Sunday.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 8: Now all it takes is one, all it takes is
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 8: one play for that third phase of the game to
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 8: really have an impact. And it's taken for granted so much,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 8: you know, that, your casual pun, your casual kickoff. They
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 8: happen so often and usually have such a routine of
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 8: a fair catch, kicking out of the end zone, something
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 8: of that nature. All it takes is one to pop
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 8: for you to realize how important that is and how
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 8: much you take it for granted and take those guys
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 8: playing those roles for granted.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: You might have never heard on that number.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 8: You know, the number 52 guy on the roster, then
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 8: all of a sudden he doesn't stay in his kickoff
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 8: lane and it's going the other way, you know, and
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 8: all of a sudden you're real familiar with who that
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 8: player is.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 8: So I think that's where a very underappreciated part of
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 8: the game that can have a serious impact.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: If someone falls asleep for even one snap, no naps,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: no naps.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: But I think there's gonna be a couple of times
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: tomorrow night where we're like, who, who was that for
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: the Patriots?
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: Like they have probably somewhere around eight or 10 guys
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: that are going to be active that we haven't really seen.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: So I just won't know what numbers they are.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 6: That's the underrated part about the depth issue.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 7: It's like, yeah, this would stink if someone went down,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 7: but also what does it look like on special teams
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 7: when those depth guys are filling out that phase?
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: Now you're getting to a whole level. It's new, and
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: then you get injuries, and it's further new. It's just
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: some definite uncertainty. you know, at the end of the day,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: they got to shut down Rashid Shaheed. I mean, I
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: think I'd like to.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: Know the numbers on those. I mean, I don't know
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: them and I'm going to take your numbers. I'll take those,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: take your word for it. Cause I don't even, I,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: if you asked me to tell you who the guy,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: I had to go back and like, look at the
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: film and the lineup who's there. And you know what?
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: It's like the Chad Mumas of the world. And, You know,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: guys who just aren't here. I just would wonder how
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: many of those guys change every year. Yeah, and that's
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: what I tried to explain that with. My guess is
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: at least a half dozen change every year. I mean,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: nine on the kickoff return. That seems significant.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: Nine guys.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: Like, Brendan Schooler is a good point. Like, you've always
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: had a guy that you know, okay, Slater's going to
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: be out there. Izzo's going to be out there. Wiggum's
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: going to be out there. Schooler's going to be out there.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: And you don't have Schooler for the first four games.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: But the rest of it, my guess is that that
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: changes dramatically from year to year. I would think so.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's... I don't have anything to base that on.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: That's the depth, and that goes to the injury point.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: If they do get tested on a spot that we
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: are not very deep at, you just hope that that
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: player uses that opportunity to emerge as a player who
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: might be an actual contributor.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: And now instead of looking at big question mark on the.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: Depth chart, you're saying, all right, well, this guy played
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: last year, and he's going to come back, and maybe
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: he can build off of this experience. So that's the
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: silver lining you try to look at, but there's no
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: question certain positions they get hurt, there's going to be
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: a significant drop-off.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: On the flip side of that, that's why I'm so
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: excited for tomorrow.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 8: I mean, we spent the past month just talking about, okay,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 8: who's going to step up, fill a role, and we
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 8: finally get to just see the guys who are in
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 8: those roles.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, I.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: Cannot contain myself.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 8: It's going to be a beautiful thing to see those
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 8: starters trot out on the field and almost have a reminder, oh, wait,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 8: he's real.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: He's on the team. I mean, see him in uniform,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: see him run on the field and make some plays.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: I'm fired up. Well, that for me has got to
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: be A.J.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: Brown.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: I just think fans.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: I was saying in the locker room, this guy's a stud.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: I'm excited to watch him play. I mean, we haven't,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: you know, we've seen him in joint practices a little bit.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: That's as competitive as it got. But, you know, when
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: you look back at the offseason and you kind of
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: look at moves that you love and moves that maybe
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: you wish that they did, the A.J.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: Brown move.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: Coupled with the Romeo Dobbs move like that to me was,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: you know, just huge for Drake trying to continue to
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: get better and, you know, change the offense, not be settled. Well, he's,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: you know, Paul's made this point. He was a runner
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: up of MVP last year. Let's just run it back.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: He can do it with, no, they took real steps.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: And these are, you know, some things that they've been
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: talking about for a while surrounding the quarterback with that
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: talent while he's on the rookie deal. So I just,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: that's to me, what I'm most excited about is getting
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: to see AJ Brown and this guy, cause it's, it
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: looks like he's going to deliver on what, what he
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: can do.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: I would agree. I think the thing to be most
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: excited about is I think the offense has a chance
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: to be really special with those added weapons and Drake
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: May being that much more comfortable in his second year
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: with McDaniel. So, yeah, I think that's the thing that
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: I have the most confidence in heading into the opener.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of uncertainty on special teams.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: Defense.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: Do that on your own time. And I, and I
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: do have some.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 6: He looked at the TV the whole time.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: I will not participate in this part of the show.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: I do have some concerns about the defense, especially on
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: the edges. I think there's, there's some issues there, but
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: I think the offense, if they're going to win tomorrow night,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: I think the offense is going to have to perform well.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: I don't see them winning a low scoring game.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I kind of was thinking in this mind, I'll
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: rely on you to tell me if this is a
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: good comparison or not. Like I felt like in 09,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: they were out of edge rushers. I mean, you had,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: you brought like Tully Banta came back. Remember they like
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: traded late for Derek Burgess and brought him in like
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: maybe in the summer. Like I just, I, that was
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: the only season I could go back to where it
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: felt like they're just, they're really thin there right now.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: I'm hoping Draymond Jones turns out to be a solid,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: you know, three down player who can, Get at the
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: quarterback with stunts. I'm not looking for him. I don't
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: think he's the guy that's going to blow by anybody
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: off the edge. And then you're just kind of hoping
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: you're crossing your fingers. And Mike Vrabel's been asked about
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: this with Gabe Ackes and Q Hutchins. Like, can these
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: guys step in and contribute anything? Or is it going
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: to be, you know, we talked about Chandler Jones a
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: little bit. Remember that year of 2014, it was Chandler
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: Jones and Rob Nikovich played the whole season. Like, I
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: think they set a record for how many snaps they
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: both played. That was great. I think it's hard to
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: expect that, though. maybe the biggest unknown is Elijah Ponder
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: against the run. He's kind of a pass down player
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: last year. Is he going to be able to come
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: in against this wide zone and it's such a critical
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: part of the game and be able to, you know,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: set the edge.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: It's a, it's a big concern.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: Um, they, and I thought they took advantage of, uh,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: Caleb on chase on a little bit last year and they,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: they attacked him on the edges. I look at Ponder
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: as that kind of a player and Draymond Jones is
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: more of a, I think he's more of a run
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: force kind of a guy. Yeah. So, The depth on
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: the outside is definitely an issue, but it is what
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: it is. I mean, they're not going to have Harold
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: Landry for at least the first four weeks. I don't
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: know what you're going to reasonably expect from Gabe Actis yet.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: I haven't liked what I've seen during the course of
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: the summer from him. Except in the locker room. I
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: think in the locker room, he looks the part in
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: the locker room for sure.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: Is this another guy?
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 6: This is another one?
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: Him and A.J. Brown, I think, I mean, well, he's just,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: I haven't been up close with Actis. This is tight.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 6: But yeah, he's... I've been up close and this is
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 6: Mike's type.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: He looks the part.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: He looks the part, no question. I mean, the guy
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: looks like he's, you know, chiseled.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: Same with A.J. Brown.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, I.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: It's like A.J. Brown's in incredible shape. Like his waist
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: is like this. His shoulders are like this.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 6: Deuce likes a man that's just like solid as a
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 6: freaking rock.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: I do. Solid as a rock.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 6: Thick but solid.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: You know, 100% muscle. I don't even know what.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: We're doing anymore.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 6: Like a pitbull.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: Those dogs are almost like a statue.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: I know. It always inevitably comes back to, could you
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: imagine having to tackle that guy?
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: That's always where the conversation goes to. You see the guy.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: Not so much with Ackis.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: Imagine getting tackled by, like, that guy coming at you.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 6: Do you guys, like, think about this?
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 7: I've heard that, like, men, like, they see other men
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 7: out in public and you're just sizing each other up constantly.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 6: Like, if I have to fight him, can I beat him?
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: Like, dog sniffing butts, for sure.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 6: But, like, here with football players, it's like.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 6: How badly would they hurt with me?
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: Not in, like, an average setting. I mean, I will
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: say from, like, my.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 6: Maybe this is a young man's mentality.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: Maybe when I was younger. When I was playing sports.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: Like, when I was playing hockey and I would show
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: up at, like, a camp or a thing where there's
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: a bunch of people trying out for something.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: I would have the itch to... Yeah, I know exactly.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: He just gave me the practical example. But, like, walking down.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, Alex. Do I walk through the halls of Gillette Stadium?
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: Do I kick his ass? I kick his ass. He'd
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: probably kick my ass. Only Fred does that.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: Only Fred does that.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: Fred, I miss Freddie here today.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: I wonder what they're doing.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 6: Out in Seattle.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 16: I know.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 6: I got to give them some good newsletter homework for
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 6: in Seattle.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: Can you imagine how excited Fred is right now with
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: the game tomorrow? He's just like probably bouncing off his hotel.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 6: He's probably going to get a steak tonight. You know, yeah,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 6: he's living large.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: Probably had a tennis lesson.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: Tennis lesson.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: Pickleball. He's probably watching the U.S.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: Open.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: Coco was really good last night.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: She was on Fuego. I did actually watch a little
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: Coco golf. She was really good.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: Give me Shelton over Alcaraz. And Fuego.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: He just said something that's kind of silly. What did
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: you say?
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: I'm just going to let it go. Oh, you don't
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: like that?
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: Would you say Alcaraz?
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: Shelton over Alcaraz. I don't like anybody over Alcaraz.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cool.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: I want to see the Americans just put their foot down.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: Maybe Yannick Sinner. Sinner or Alcaraz. Sinner's not playing in
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: this tournament. So I thought Alcaraz was more.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: Of a play guy.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: I think he's everything. The freak of an athlete.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, Alcaraz? He's won all of them.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: He might be the youngest ever to win all four majors.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: Well, there you go.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: Another sport that I don't follow quite close.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 5: Enough, I guess.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: I feel really good about tomorrow.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 8: I don't know what it is. Not only that, I
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 8: feel great about that. But I feel really good about
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 8: the Patriots tomorrow. I've got to put that out there.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know what it is. It's been growing the
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 4: past couple of days.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 8: I understand that Paul might not share that same excitement
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 8: with me, but there's a couple of factors.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: I feel really good about the Gonzalez development. I think
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: Alex hit it in the first hour of the show.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: I think that's good for morale. I just want to
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: get it going, you know, regardless of what the result is.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: You know, like we said at the top, you saw
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: last year they had a slow start out of the gate.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: But just to get it going, to know what this
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: team's dynamic is, what their kind of personality is, that
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: takes some time to develop. But once you start getting, like,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: to your point, real information, you know, real, all right, well,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: they were terrible at this. They were really good at this.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: you know, cause I think the preseason can be a
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: liar based on what you saw in practice and joint practices.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: And then what's being reported, just scrubs out there, not scrubs, sorry,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: but you know, backups basically in the preseason, you know,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: it's like, I don't know, this isn't the 2026 Patriots
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: out here. This isn't, you know, especially this year where
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: you didn't have any starters playing. So it's, you know,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: you have no idea really what to expect. You got
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: a glimpse of it maybe in joint practices and you
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: got a sense that they look like they were competitive with,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: with a good team and they punched back and, took
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: some hits, and it looks like they'll be able to
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: hang in there, but who are they going to be?
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: They have to tell us.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: I really like the spot, too.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 8: When you think about that offensive line, Will Campbell, again,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 8: not to go too deep into it, you could tell
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 8: that knee was bothering him.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: He just didn't trust it.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 8: A lot of the fundamental stuff, when I watch from
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 8: the tight, he didn't trust it at all. The healthiest
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 8: you're going to be generally. is the week one game,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 8: right now. So to see this Patriots team, specifically up front,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 8: trot out there, the healthiest they will be, the best
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 8: they'll feel all year long, with this kind of prolonged
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 8: period between the camp and this first game as well,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 8: I just like the spot.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: The coordinator stuff we talked about, and you know who
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: else likes it? Vegas.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 8: I don't want to go too deep in the weeds here,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 8: but when you see the Patriots, plus three and a half,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 8: on the road, a banner night in Seattle, They usually say, what,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 8: home field advantage buys you three points.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: So you're telling me. Is that what they say? I
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: think that's the old cliche.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: You're touching on a running joke with the PU crew.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: But it's just, they seem to like the pass as well.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: They agree with me here, Paul.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 6: It's like we have Fred.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: Two teams that played in the Super Bowl, one of
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: them spared by three and a half points. And somehow
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: that's like miraculous for the visiting team.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: I think that the way. Like both of these teams
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: are supposed to be really good, guys.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: Like, I don't know, like, would anyone try to convince
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 4: everybody that the Patriots are this massive underdog again? They're not.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: They did that last year. That's over. That's done. That's gone.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: They're not underdogs anymore.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 7: You don't think it's their Super Bowl performance last year
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 7: that is giving people these lingering beliefs?
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: That's probably why it's a three and a half point spread.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: I think that's a pretty sizable spread for two teams
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: that played in the Super Bowl last year. It's a
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: bigger spread than it was in the Super Bowl. On
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: your typical.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 6: Technically, it's zero because the home team gets.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: Again, we know that that's not true. You know it.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 6: Just turn the pot.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: Don't you do it. Outside of the playoffs, did they
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: have a bad? I mean, I know they were undefeated
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: on the road last year, but is there anything to
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: that mentality from last year? Because I thought they had
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: some pretty cool performances on the road. The comeback against
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: the Ravens, really their only kind of comeback last year.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: I just don't put that much credence into that.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 10: One, though.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 6: Everything went wrong for the Ravens in the second half.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 6: I just felt like the Patriots were so lucky.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 4: Well, people... Sometimes we remember it like Lamar Jackson didn't play.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: Like he didn't get hurt in the first half. And
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: like Derrick Henry really did run the ball in the
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: fourth quarter. I get what you're saying, Alex.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I guess my question is more, is
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: there anything to be said from that team and their
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: ability to win on the road? And is that something
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: that can carry over?
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: Or is that just... I don't think it can carry over.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: A unique one-off kind of thing. I know they play
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: bad teams on the road, too, but I just don't
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: think they really, and maybe I'm wrong, but in my mind,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: I don't really remember them laying an egg on the
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: road last year. They were always, especially with that first
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: game in Miami, which Braybill said was kind of, he
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: felt like a turning point where they showed we know
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: how hard it is to play in Miami.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: But I would just say they laid two eggs all
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: year in Vegas and Pittsburgh. I mean, every other game,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, some games were better than others, don't get
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 4: me wrong, but every other game they played reasonably well.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just remarkable to go 9-0 on the road than
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: to win two playoff games on the road. Is there
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: something there that they can bake back in that they're
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: going to be a tough out on the road?
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, it changes, too. We talk about the NFL
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: in general. It seems like teams are better on the
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: road these days, too. They won one playoff game on
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: the road.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 4: Against Jared Stidham. Again, these things just kind of get
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: lost in history.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, yeah.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: All the good teams that we played didn't really have
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: their quarterbacks. Joe Burrow didn't play. Lamar Jackson didn't play
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 4: the last three quarters. Bo Nix didn't play.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 6: Did they have Baker?
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: They had a full Baker.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 7: That felt like a turning point game.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 4: He was hurt in that game, too.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 6: That felt like the first after the Bills game.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 4: And all the receivers were hurt in that game.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 16: Yeah, right.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: I think what Mike said at the first sentence I say,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: I would agree with 1,000%. It's very impressive that a
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: team went 9-0 on the road. I don't care who
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: you play. To win every game on the road is
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: an amazing accomplishment. I do think that they had a
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: mentality that they started in Buffalo. They say Miami. I
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: think it started in the Buffalo game. I think they
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: really circled the wagons in that game.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: And Mike embraced the challenge of that national television. And
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: I think they galvanized and I think it did work.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: I don't think it carries over. This team will have
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: to establish that they were capable of doing the same stuff.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: And it's the same thing as the schedule in general.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: It went 14 and three. And how many people have
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: said the cliche of, I think they can be better
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: this year, but maybe not in the record. Well, I
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: think there might be a better road team this year
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: and maybe not go 9-0. Well, they can't go 9-0.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: You know, who knows? Maybe they have chances to win
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: games in the playoffs on the road that they didn't
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 4: last year. But they might lose a game or two,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: but even be better on the road than they were
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: last year because all those things that Alex and I
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 4: just pointed out, personnel-wise, for other teams, might not exist.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: You know, and they might have more impressive performances on
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 4: the road this year. I don't know. Maybe they'll win
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: them all again. Maybe they'll do it again. And that's
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: that's a big Mike Vrabel thing, you know, and that's
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: what the Mike Vrabel Patriots have become known for. You
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: don't want to play them in your place because they
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: they know how to prepare for a road game and
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: they're impossible to beat on the road.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: Who knows? Yeah.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: Seems like a hard thing to. But not impossible. But
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: it was very impressive to go 9-0 on the road.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: I don't know anybody that would say otherwise. Even Felger
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: and Mavs wouldn't poo-poo that.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 8: Paul, I think some of these reasons you listed, though,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 8: are to me why the underdog narrative is still alive.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 8: You had all the fans, all the Patriot haters. No,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 8: but I don't think the underdog thing is alive.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: I just think Patriots fans are trying to convince themselves
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: that they're underdogs still. That this is scrappy because they
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: like that role. The Patriots have been so successful in
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: that role. I think nationally, they're not considered an underdog. Here,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: everybody considers them, it's only a three and a half
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: point spread. I would have thought it would have been great. Nationally,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: no one's batting an eye that Seahawks are three and
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: a half point favorites against the Super Bowl team, the
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: team they played in the Super Bowl. I don't think
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 4: anybody's really, like, plus nothing. I don't think it's that
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: big of a deal.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 8: See, nationally, I think there's more of a narrative that
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 8: pointed to the Patriots' easy schedule, didn't play quarterbacks.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: You get to the Super Bowl, everyone wanted to see
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: New England.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 8: If you are not from New England, not a Patriots fan,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 8: and you were haunted by this, Tom Brady era, the dynasty, right?
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 8: Everyone was praying that they were going to go out
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 8: there and lay an egg, which is exactly what they did.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 8: There were so many people... Doing the parade, the I
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 8: told you so, I told you so, the Patriots weren't anything.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 8: That's what they wanted to see because they were running
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 8: with the week schedule. You didn't play anybody. You didn't
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 8: even have Bo Nix in the AFC Championship game, and
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 8: then they go out and lay the egg in the
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 8: Super Bowl. A lot of people felt like they were
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 8: proven right. I saw the narrative everywhere, and I think
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 8: that's why they could still lean into that underdog role
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 8: because a lot of people feel like the New England
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 8: Patriots were exposed for what– a certain percentage of fans
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 8: thought they were.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: I just think the team has dramatically improved over what...
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: That's no question. So I don't think they're underdogs.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 6: They made some great defenses last year, too.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 7: That's why I just always hate the schedule argument because
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 7: it's not that black and white.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 6: They played some really bad teams that had great defenses.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: But they're really bad teams, so they can't do anything
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: with their defenses.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they couldn't score, but.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: And the Patriots didn't.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: Really score in those games. But you're allowed to not
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: score because the other team can't get out of its
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: own way, and they're setting up points for you. Like, say,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: Houston in the divisional round.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: Like, C.J.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: Stroud just handing you seven points. Like, Denver in the
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: AFC Championship game, Jared Stigman just hands you seven points. Like,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: they didn't really move the ball and score points in
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: those games, but it didn't matter because the other team
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 4: couldn't do anything. You know?
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 4: That's... That's what the haters would say. I just look
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: at the offense, to me, is so much more equipped.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: And when I say that it's dramatically improved, I probably
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 4: overstate that. I think offensively they have a chance to
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: be much better with A.J. Brown and Romeo Dobbs than
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: they were with Stephon Diggs and Keyshawn Booty. Fred, don't
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: yell at me, but I think Romeo Dobbs and A.J.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: Brown are better than Keyshawn Booty. I'm sorry. That's how
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: I feel. And I think they have a chance to
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: be a lot better, you know, offensively and not be
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 4: necessarily a team that needs this soft schedule to get by. Yeah.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, isn't Drake such an interesting part of this
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: because he did have such a efficient season last year,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: completing those passes.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to lie. I do worry about that.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: You know, is it just, it seems impossible to expect
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: him to have a 70% completion percentage again, but he's
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: got better weapons. So like, where do we point the
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: finger on, if it doesn't get better, like you've got
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: better weapons, you know, you, we address the offensive line. We,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: everybody's healthy. Those kinds of things. Like how much pressure
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: is on Drake man? You know, Paul mentioned too, like
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: if he has another great season, he's going to be
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: looking at 70 million a year. How much wiggle room
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: does he have this season with his performance? Can he
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: get to that point? Or could he with, a year
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: that feels more like he's falling back to the mean
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: and being a little bit more, you know, not maybe 68% of.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: His path, you know, one last thing, like they are
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: underdogs tomorrow night. I'm talking about, they're not underdogs for
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: the season. Like, I don't think people look at them
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 4: as underdogs. I think every preseason thing I read has
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 4: them as a playoff team, and about half of them
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 4: have them as AFC East champs. And now there's plenty
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 4: of Buffalo love, too. I'm not going to pretend I
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: haven't seen that. A lot of people pick Buffalo to
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: win the division. A lot of people pick the Patriots
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: to win the division. But every one of them has
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: the Patriots in the playoffs. That's what I mean. Like,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: they're not underdogs. Nationally, people think the Patriots are a
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 4: playoff team. Tomorrow night, I would agree the Patriots are
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: underdogs in that game.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I caught some of Jamie Erdahl this morning on
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: Good Morning Football doing exactly that. She was, like, debating
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: New England Buffalo for the division, and she actually went
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: with the Patriots with the division.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen a lot of it both ways. Probably
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: a little more Buffalo love than Patriots, but I've seen
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: a lot of people like the Patriots in the division, too.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, Buffalo's been established, and, I mean, obviously,
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen. Like, I think you would expect that, you know,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: Drake might fall back a little bit, and Josh Allen
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: has shown that he can consistently play. So I think
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: it's a really interesting battle this year with the changes
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: in Buffalo. on offense and, you know, I mean, changing
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: their defense too. I mean, that's really interesting to me
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: on the fly, trying to figure out, you know, not
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: only are you adjusting your defense, but the Patriots now
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: have A.J. Brown and Romeo Dobbs. I mean, it's just,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: you know, more to think about. But those games are
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: going to be really, really exciting. I like when they're
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: kind of matched up too. It's not like, you know,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: two in the last four weeks or whatever. Remember that
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: happened a few years ago where they played, like you
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: get one kind of in October and you get one
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: down towards the end. Good, Like, to me, good barometers
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: to check in and not, like, crammed in and you
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: got to get it all over with within three weeks
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: or something like that.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 8: What almost feels unfair to this year's Patriots team is
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 8: that the first year of the Mike Vrabel era is
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 8: just everything goes right. You know, it sets the bar
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 8: so high. And, you know, I think that's what I
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 8: was pointing to. It seems like you were talking more
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 8: about people who cover the sport. I was kind of
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 8: talking more about the casual fan who just wants to hate.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 8: And they're pointing to Drake May. They're pointing to schedule.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? I think that's where.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 8: If that, if that cliche, the, you know, they're going
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 8: to be better, but they regress schedule wise, statistically that
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 8: that's where those haters are still going to be jumping
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 8: for joy.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: If they see some of that, it's just.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: Like, where does it land?
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't care about those people as I've
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 4: made clear on this show many times.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a, no, it's a really interesting year. I mean, that's,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: I'm just excited to get going and you start getting
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: like real answers. Cause we sit here and speculate all
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: we want about how it's going to look and how
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: the impact of the changes are, are, are going to be. But, um,
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: you know, as we get the ready guys, like, You
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: look back on this offseason, if there's one thing you
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: kind of wish they did, what might it be? Pass rush.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 7: Retain, like, some of those guys from the pass rush
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 7: and the deal, like the Tongas.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: I would have been more interested in a guy like
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 4: Jalen Phillips on the market. You know, someone that could
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 4: come in and give them some juice off the edge.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: You know, just a pass rusher. I think they sort
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 4: of let that area. Now, you can't fix everything. I'm
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 4: not killing them for it. You can't do everything. in
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: one off season, two off seasons, whatever. But I think
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 4: that's an area that lacks right now.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: I think it's, I mean, we do this for our job,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: of course, and we talk about it constantly. And so
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: that's just, what's like frustrating a little bit. It's like
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: the slow motion train wreck that you're watching. And it's like,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: this is a great draft class, you know, and I
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: love Ackis and, you know, I'm excited to see how
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: he develops, but it just feels like they're one guy
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: short right now. And, you know, even the move with
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: Draymond Jones to get back to, you know, me assessing
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: players in the locker room, He's like a defensive lineman.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: He's like a stout dude. He's not one of those long, lanky, bendy,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: rusher kind of type guys. He looks like a guy
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: who's going to set the edge, but you're not going
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: to ask him to be too speedy. So I'm interested
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: to see how they pull it all together and how
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: aggressive they have to be.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: Or maybe even swapping what they did in the draft
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 4: and taking one of the edge rushers at the end
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 4: of the first round and then going for depth tackle
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 4: in the second round.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: Now that changes, you probably would have waited even longer
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 4: to get the title because Loma was the last quote
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: unquote quality tackle.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: But maybe if you did it that way, you know,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 4: cause you're not going to, the way it looks right now,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 4: you're not going to get much out of Loma unless someone,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 4: you know, gets hurt up front. And, maybe you would
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: be better served with a guy who could contribute right
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: away as a pass rusher.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 8: See, to me, that definitely, if you're thinking about the
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 8: 2026 Patriots, you like to see that. The Lomo pick
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 8: felt more like an investment in Drake May long-term, though
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 8: just focusing on getting him up front.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 4: So that's where I don't have any problem with that.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: That's what they did, no doubt. And wouldn't want to
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: change any of that.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 8: I think it certainly is pass rusher, but outside of that,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 8: maybe in hindsight, nailing a couple more of those one-year
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 8: contracts like they did a year ago, but it's a
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 8: pretty complete roster when you think of the top end
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 8: and the starters.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: That's, I mean, it's hard to nitpick.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: And I mean, even like, I'm not going to dock
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: them on tight end. Cause they had Julian Hill, you know,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: this guys get hurt.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: What are you going to do?
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: But I do think past rusher and, and it still
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: seems like they're searching a linebacker to bringing in a
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: lot of new faces about the guy, uh, Moose out
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: from New York that knows that course that he loved. And,
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: you know, so maybe they see some, you know, potential
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: in these guys. That's my biggest hope is that some
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: of these late arrivals can actually, you know, carve out
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: some roles on this team. But let's see. Any email?
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: No email still. Nobody loves us. No games today.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 4: What else are you guys excited for this weekend with
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 4: the first slate of games? Why don't you turn it
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: off and plug it back in as we get going.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 4: Does that work?
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because we get to watch some football here on Sunday.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 4: There are some interesting games, not the least of which
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 4: is the one right after the Patriots. I think Rams-Niners
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 4: on Thursday night in Australia. And then Buffalo-Houston, I think,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 4: stands out to me as a game I'm interested in
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: watching on Sunday.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 6: Getting our game out of the way on Wednesday and
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 6: just having.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 4: A Red Zone Sunday to start.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 6: It's going to be glorious.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: Alex, there's nothing better than Red Zone Sundays.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: Now, will you lock in on Red Zone if there's
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: one really good game on? Yeah.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, the only time I generally change it is if, like,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: you're in a two-minute situation and the game's on the line,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 4: I'll go on because I want to watch. But usually
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 4: Red Zone watches that whole game anyway.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 4: So you can kind of do it. So then I
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: just play it whatever game is ahead, whatever channel is ahead.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I just think the red zone and I'm
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 4: telling you full disclosure, I was the biggest hater. I
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 4: didn't understand it. Like, what are you doing? That makes
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 4: no sense. And then I watched it once and I
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: was like. I totally get it.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 6: Oh, this was actually made for me.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 4: Unbelievable. And it was made with me in mind.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 8: Alex, big red zone guy. I will say though, like
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 8: mid season outside of Patriot stuff, right? Say Patriots playing
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 8: on Thursday.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 4: I would have to watch the Patriots game for sure.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: That'd be different.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 4: Without a doubt that takes priority, but you're sitting there
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 4: at a one o'clock slate. You're watching red zone.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 8: I would say maybe once or twice a season I
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 8: like to mix it up and just go watch a
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 8: game and understand how it fully unfolds.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 4: You know, lock in. That's what I have to do.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 4: By the way, the spread's down to three according to ESPN.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: There we go. Is that good or bad for us?
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 4: That's good. That means contrary.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: To popular opinion.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 6: People think the Patriots are good by some.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: Logic I think they're good I mean what are we
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: gonna do uh Got some emails coming in. I want to.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 4: Get to this red zone. Get the email situated.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: Get ready.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 4: Try not to misread it like you did the read.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 10: I will.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: I won't read it.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: That's all it was.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 8: I like a little change up. I like to just
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 8: throw a little change up in there. Go watch a
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 8: standalone football game, right? That's not in prime time. Maybe
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 8: there's a great mid-season matchup like you get Mahomes. That
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 8: would probably be in prime time. So you get what
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 8: I'm saying, though.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: A nice, good– No, because this guy is like a
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: beautiful mind where he can like deconstruct the red zone
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: and then have– consistent timelines of each game in his
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: head that he can access at any moment. Like, well,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: for example, you remember in that second quarter drive, I'm like,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: what are you talking about?
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 4: We were watching red zone.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: They flashed.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 7: That's so impressive. Like you're not a two screen, three
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 7: screen guy. Like you are anticipating with the clicker. Just like,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 7: all right, switch back, switch back to this one.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: That's why I do have a magician elite. Clicker skills,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 4: Elite clicker skills. But Red Zone, there's no clicking necessary. Like,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 4: all of the games are there for you. If you want, like, seriously,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 4: on this first Sunday.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 6: I know, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 7: I'm surprised you don't have one screen dedicated to the
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 7: Red Zone and then other ones that you are doing
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 7: the clicking around.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 4: There's no need for that, Alex.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 7: I know.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 4: That's the beauty of the Red Zone is you don't
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 4: need to click around. The only drawback of the Red
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 4: Zone is when I'm, like, getting my food or whatever,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: and I have to actually see it. I'm missing it.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 6: I'm missing it.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 4: It's just a donut hole in that timeline.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 6: Bring the screen to the kitchen.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 8: The first Octobox of the season is always a visual.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 10: Oh, man.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 4: Hate the Octobox.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: Too many.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 9: Hate the Octobox.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 4: How could you hate the Octobox? You can't see anything.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not like they stand up for long, though.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: They show you everything, so.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 6: You can't see anything.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 9: You can't read this, man.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 6: You can't read this man.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 4: I'm learning that quickly. You cannot read him. I generally
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 4: don't like the split stuff. I mean, if it's just
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 4: like two games at once, that's fine. But when they
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 4: start getting to four and eight.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 8: Wait, but that's the beauty because then you have control
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 8: of your eyes. You don't have to use a clicker.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 8: You have control of your eyes. Oh, I'm choosing this one.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 6: You don't like picture-picture. You want to switch it.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, I used it.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 4: Jarvis. I used picture-in-picture, but I'm a big last guy.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: The last button is revolutionary.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 6: I don't remember the last time I hit that button.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 4: You never hit the last one?
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 6: I don't remember the last time I did. But I
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 6: don't have cable like you do anymore.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: How do you change the channels?
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 4: You change the channels with a remote? Oh, so you're
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 4: always streaming. So you live like animals. You can't change
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 4: the channel.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 7: I really live like an animal because I'm lucky if
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 7: I even pay for the streaming site.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: Press that back button this week, Alex.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 6: That's my illegal activity.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: I have a man against the streaming services. Not because
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: of the broadcast. The broadcasts are fine. Whatever. I just
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: need to change channels. I'm just watching one game. I
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 4: need to change it. You see it a lot in
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: the winter.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 8: You've got Celtics-Bruins saying that that last button is the
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 8: best invention of all time.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 4: Or whatever random sitcom I happen to be watching.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: Paul came in last week to ask.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 6: Us if we were watching a show. And I was like.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 7: It was one of the network cable television shows. You're like,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 7: are you guys watching this on, I don't know, ABC
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 7: or CBS?
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I think it was Furious. That was
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 4: on Netflix.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 6: No, that's not the one.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: I asked Mike if he had watched Netflix.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 7: You specifically asked and you named a network. And I
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 7: was like, Paul would be in here asking.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 8: Paul, I'm going to unpack this for a second. When
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 8: I'm in sports mode, I'm in sports mode. You can
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 8: go from a sitcom.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: To a game.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I have to interrupt you. It hurts a
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 4: little more when it comes from Alex. I'm just saying.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 4: Everybody else can make fun of me. When Alex makes
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 4: fun of me, it hurts just a little bit more.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 6: But I do it out of love, too.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: You know when I press the back button last?
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 4: She says it so dismissively, too.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: Never when we need to go back to the main menu.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 6: It was college.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: I dabbled in college.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: Let's do an email. Dan from Maine, thank you for
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: your kind words to me, but he'd love to hear
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: from each of you. Do you think this game, win
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: or lose, could have an impact on the outcome of
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: the entire season? I know it's still very early, but
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: with this being a Super Bowl rematch this soon, I
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: feel like it could really set the tone for the team.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: If they do lose, do you worry that it could
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: create a feeling in the locker room that they're still
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: not quite at Seattle's level? Or is it too early
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: in the season for the result of one game to
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: have that kind of impact?
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 4: Can I give you the ultimate Homer take?
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 4: I think if they win, I think it could have
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 4: a huge impact on the season. If they lose, I
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 4: don't think it's that big a deal.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 6: I mean, look at how the season started last year.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 7: The first three games, you know?
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 4: I think if they got blistered tomorrow night, it could
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 4: impact the season. I'm not expecting that. I think it's
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 4: going to be a good game. If they lost, kind
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 4: of like a Super Bowl redux, I think that could
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 4: have lasting impressions.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 7: It would be hard to see, like, I don't know,
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 7: just knowing the guys in that locker room and the
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 7: types of, like, players and professionals they are, it's hard
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 7: to see, like, a loss or two getting them off
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 7: the rails early to start the season. I think they
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 7: will retain some of the power of friendship. They've returned, like,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 7: enough rah-rah type guys that, I don't know, I just
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 7: think they're Or mentally mature.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: I do think you don't want to walk out of
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: this game with the same laundry list of problems that
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: you had in the Super Bowl. Maybe if you can
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: at least fix a couple of those problems and maybe
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: put some points up early and it's a little closer
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: and you feel like you put them in a position
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: where they had to play good. I never felt like
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: they got to that point. They never put any pressure
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: on the Seahawks. Can you put any pressure on the Seahawks?
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 8: I feel like I'm running the risk here of using
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 8: another term that Paul may not like. It's not a
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 8: conference measuring stick. It is what it really, Oh, you're
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 8: okay with that.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 4: I agree. I don't think it is.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 6: Can't put them in a box.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 4: He's like a knuckleball. It hurts when she makes fun
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: of it.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 8: It was out of love, but that's really what it
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 8: feels like. It's, it's an out of conference measuring stick
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 8: game where let's see what we got. Let's see where
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 8: we're at compared to that super bowl less than a
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 8: year ago. That's the last time we saw this Patriot
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 8: scene with stars on the field.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 9: Right?
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 8: So it's, But outside of that, you're playing not with
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 8: house money, because, again, you're not the dog, but it's
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 8: not a conference game.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 4: That's a big thing for me. Yeah, I mean, for
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 4: all of my talk about not being, like, they're not expected.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: Most people don't expect them to go to Seattle and win.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 4: So I think it could be a huge lift for
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 4: the team if they do. I don't think it's that
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 4: big a deal if they don't. I think it's early
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 4: in the season.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: Alex is right.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 4: You know, the one and two last year, they just,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 4: you know, When was the last time we had a
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: good season when we lost the opener?
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 7: And that second loss, if it was going to go
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 7: off the rails, it was going to go off the
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 7: rails after playing Pittsburgh.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 4: I do feel if they just get waxed tomorrow night
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 4: and it's not competitive again like the Super Bowl, that
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 4: could leave some marks. But I don't expect that. A
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: little trivia here.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: I'm going to recuse myself because I know the answer.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: But New England doesn't play in Seattle very often. This
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: is from Sean.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 5: Sure.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: When was the last time the Patriots won in the
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: Emerald City?
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 4: In Seattle. Did they lose that Cam Newton game?
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so probably the game that you're... Your favorite game.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 4: Probably 08.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: 08, yeah.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the last one.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: What was the score?
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: No idea, but Deion Branch had a huge game for Seattle.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: He did, 24-21.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: Who was the QB?
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: Matt Castle. Matt Castle. And who scored?
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 4: The winning drive.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: Sammy Morris.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 4: Come on, tap into that thing. What was the name
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 4: of the stadium? Questfield. Now Lumenfield.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a cool... Welcome to Lumen. Not to
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: overplay my Seattle fandom. I didn't go as a Seattle fan,
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: but I thought it was a good environment. I haven't
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: been to a lot of NFL stadiums like Paul has.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: We've seen multiple Super Bowls, wins, losses. You probably lose try.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: There was probably even a tie in there somewhere. It's true.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 4: No, I don't think I saw a tie.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: I think my stadium visits are limited to the old
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: piece of crap San Diego Qualcomm Stadium San Francisco twice,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: and Seattle twice. I don't think I've been to any
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: other NFL stadiums other than this one.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 8: I always, as a kid, I wanted to walk those
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 8: spiral ramps so bad in San Diego.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 4: I don't know what it was. It was probably a
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 4: miserable experience. But there was something about it that I
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: just wanted to walk them. I don't know why. It
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 4: was funny. I went there. I've told this story before,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 4: but you haven't heard it, Jack.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: So it's new to you. But when I went to that,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: I got a playoff ticket in the 06 game, and
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: I I had tickets. It was field level. And I
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: was trying to go in the loge and I had
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: had a few cocktails, a few Bud Lights. And the
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: guy's like, no, you got to go down the stairs
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: and go around. And I'm like, they're messing with me. Like,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: they know I'm a Patriots fan. They're trying to send
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: me to like some, you know, and then I walked
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: out into like this tunnel.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 4: I don't know why the rest of the country doesn't
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: like Patriots fans.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: And then I come out of the tunnel and I'm like,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: holy crap, the field's.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: Like right here.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: It was like realizing how close I was actually going
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: to be for the game, which was, you know, one
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: of my greatest fan experiences of my life. But, No,
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: that stadium was a dump. But Patriot fans took it
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: over in 2014. That was pretty cool. I went there
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: a bunch. Man.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 4: Is Seattle as loud as people say? It really is?
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: I thought it was.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: I thought it was. I mean, like I said, no, wait.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: They were out of the playoffs, and the guy's going,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: it starts in the huddle. They're yelling at Matt Castle.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: Who cares?
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 4: No one's watching this game.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: But they're passionate there, and I'm sure they're going to
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: be rabid.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 8: Speaking of Seattle, Paul, I mean, as a fan, when
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 8: Cam Newton declared he was back, I mean, I was
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 8: fired up.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: Well, what were your thoughts at that time?
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: Fool's gold.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 4: And it was funny because someone on Twitter said that
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 4: that game came up. Someone had a highlight clip of that.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 4: And I just remember them chasing two scores the whole
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 4: fourth quarter and he kind of got hot. And then
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden Seattle didn't score once and the
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 4: Patriots had a chance to steal it at the end.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 4: I didn't think there was anything that they did in
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 4: that game that was sustainable the way that like Edelman
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 4: was just pulling these passes in out of nowhere like
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 4: Edelman like 150 yards in that game that was his
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 4: last hurrah and someone attributed a call like that I
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 4: said that the Patriots wouldn't be able to afford Cam
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 4: Newton they wouldn't be able to pay him At the
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 4: end of the year, I was like, I was never
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 4: interested in resigning. Now, Newton came back, if you remember.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: Briefly, yeah.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: Like, the next year, he was in camp, and that's
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: when Mac Jones beat him out for the job, and
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 4: they cut him. But I never was in favor of
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 4: giving him an extension.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 9: No.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 4: And someone, of course, assigned that to me. Like, I
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 4: didn't think anything about that game was sustainable. I thought,
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 4: that was a bad passing game. They had, it was
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 4: a bad passing game in every other game, but that one.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, that team had like some weird opportunities.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: They were like against Miami. They could have won against Buffalo.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: They were kind of driving and then Cam Newton fumbled it.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 4: I think Buffalo, they had a chance to tie it
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 4: and they fumbled, you know.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: There were a day, but what it was talking to
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: somebody about that year, the other day of just no
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: fans and like waiting around for Cam Newton to do
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: his media availability via zoom or whatever. And it's, he's
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: like an hour late and you know, is this, I
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 4: Would he still put the outfits on for the zoom?
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 6: Uh, yeah.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. He's still got the hats on and the
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: glasses and the whole, the whole thing. It was, you know,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: it's like, and everybody's at their house, like waiting to
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: eat dinner and wait for Cam Newton.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 4: I think in that team went seven and nine. I
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 4: think that team was worse than the teams that went
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 4: four and 13.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. They were bad.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 4: I mean, That was the thing I noticed.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, the fun thing about like my time here
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: is I got Tom Brady in year one. So you
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: got to see like this is what it's supposed to
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: look like. And then it was like Cam Newton, you know,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: rookie Mac Jones, outside rookie Jared Stidham in 19.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: So you just I've gotten a large cross section of
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: watching quarterbacks in training camp. And the thing with Cam
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: Newton I always felt like was he would be late
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: to see it. so he'd try to throw it a
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: little harder.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah. You know?
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: And he'd reach back, and it was like, man, he's
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: launching some missiles.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 4: He also threw like he was throwing gallons of paint.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: Scam Newton with the dollar sign. Heave-ho.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 4: And I was a huge Cam Newton guy, by the way.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 7: I was a big Cam Newton guy as a personality
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 7: until he was me to Drake last year, and now
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 7: I don't care what happens to you.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 4: I didn't know him as a person, so I had
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 4: nothing to base that on. But when he was with
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 4: the Panthers... That was special. Watching him early in his career,
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 4: he had probably two or three seasons that were as
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 4: good as any quarterback has had.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: Another guy who's like all-world physique.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, just amazing. Can I just ask?
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 6: What month is he on the calendar?
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: Alex, if you spoke.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 4: Like that about what the players look like, how would
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 4: you think that you'd be received?
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 6: My Twitter followers would be a lot less respectful than
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 6: they are.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 4: I don't think that's appropriate talk.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 6: It's not.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: I just appreciate it.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 6: So there's a double standard, Paul, that I just can't
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 6: partake in.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 4: It is a double standard.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: It's all in how it relates to sports.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 4: That's true. I'm not saying it's attractive.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying it's aesthetically pleasing.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 6: Then again, it would be weird if I did it
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 6: and you. It's kind of funny and endearing.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: It's totally different. Paul, a little trivia here from Curtis
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: in St. Louis. How many times have the Patriots played
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: in the NFL's opening game prior to tomorrow night and what?
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: their record in those games. Bonus points if you can
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: name the opponents in the final score. He's got four
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: of them.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 4: I was going to say, can you give me the four?
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, so.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 4: I'm going to say 0-4 against Indianapolis. 0-5 against Oakland.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 13: Ding!
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 4: Whatever the year was against Kansas City. Say 17? Yeah,
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 4: got three of them.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: One more time.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 4: They won a Super Bowl, raised the banner.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: Pittsburgh? Yes.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: 15.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 12: 15.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 4: You want to take a shot at any scores? Okay, 27-24,
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 4: they beat Indy.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: Boom. Yes.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 4: They beat Oakland by like a weird score.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: It was like 30-19.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 11: No, 30-20.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 4: 30-20.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 4: Kansas City was a blowout. They lost like 42-27.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: Exactly the score. 33-3? Pittsburgh? No, no, this is a
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: closer one.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 11: 28-21?
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 12: Yes.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: Paul, what did you have for lunch three days ago?
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 4: Pork products. He's got nothing. He's got nothing on that, though.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: What's a 33-3 game I'm thinking of? Didn't they beat
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 4: Pittsburgh in the first game of the year one year, 33-3?
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: I don't remember.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 4: We have to check on that. That's insane.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: We have to check on that.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 5: 28-21.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 6: I'll trust your gut. Take your word for it.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: Darius from Louisville just wanted to say let's go. But jokingly,
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: Pauly always looks so tall next to Evan and Fred,
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: but Jack makes him look normal. It's not short. Past Nation, baby,
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: stand up.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 12: I know.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 6: I wish I was sitting next to Jack.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: I would look so little.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 4: Fred is one of the few people in the building
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 4: that I am taller than because I'm pretty short. Mike
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 4: towers over me. Mike's a tall guy, though. Forget about Jack.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: I'm a solid 5'11 and a half.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 4: I'm not that tall. You're not over six feet.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: I've always been 5'11 and a half.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 12: Always.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 4: Like the doctor messages you. No matter what you measure.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 6: But you're the height that you can say you're six feet.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: I know, but that's why I prefer to say 5'11
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: and a half just to throw people off because.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 4: Everyone would be like, oh, I'm six feet. But I
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 4: think it's funny when I'm like, no, I'm only 5'11.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 4: It's like in high school, I was listed at 5'6,
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 4: 130 my sophomore year. And then we got a new
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: coach the next year who believed in bumping all those up.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: In shoes.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 4: Suddenly I was 5'10, 180.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: You know what I was? I was 6'1, 210 in
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: the program, in your program.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 8: And you never asked to change those. Keep that as is.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 4: The 5'6, 130 was accurate.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 4: That was my sophomore.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: I didn't wait. Would you play it, Jack? What was
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: that one?
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you what. Who's asking?
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 8: After Super Bowl Sunday, the weigh-in, I had a– let's
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 8: just know it was so bad after Super Bowl Sunday
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 8: and I think 23.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 4: We weigh in before every lift. Right after lift, O-line coach,
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 4: come see me.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: It was that bad. It was that bad.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 4: It was that bad.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: Sloppy?
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 4: Oh, I mean, I had the whole spread. Then you
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 4: had the whole spread weighing at 6 a.m. the next day.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: Toast. You're not setting yourself up for success.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 4: Absolutely toast.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 6: But you probably lost 10 pounds by dinner.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 8: See, the problem was I didn't stop. Okay. Some people,
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 8: you know, I had a bad meal yesterday.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 4: Can't stop, won't stop. Stop won't stop.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: Screw you. We only got five minutes left here, but
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: I'd really like to actually get your take.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 4: On this, Paul. It's an interesting journalism question. Nice deep
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 4: topic to end the show.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: It's a journalism question. I think it's interesting. Matt from Wichita.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: I understand that as fellow members of the media, you
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: have to be careful not to step on any toes here.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: But I'm curious to hear some of Patriot's unfiltered crew's
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: thoughts on the pointed question asked to Gonzalez while the
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: negotiations were happening. I do not like when journalists ask
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: questions like, do you want to be traded, for example.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: They know and everyone knows he is not going to
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: say yes to that question, and a straight, no, I
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: want to stay here, could be used against him in negotiation.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: It is frustrating when questions like this are asked with
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: the intent to read between the lines from the start.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: How do you, as journalists, balance questions that have the
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: potential to draw attention slash create stories while remaining fair
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: to the player, and do any of you also have
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: problems with how the Gonzo narrative was spun out at times? Paul,
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: I think you're the only, well, maybe Jack, too, and
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: actually Alice. I guess I'm the only non-trained journalist here,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: but you're an old school guy.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 4: I don't like gotcha journalism. I don't like when people
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 4: ask questions to try to catch a guy. I think
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 4: the Gonzalez thing, I thought, was handled incredibly well.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: On all sides.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 4: I thought the media did a good job of asking
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 4: all the right questions. I strongly disagree that do you
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 4: want to be traded is a bad question. It's not
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 4: even a tough question. Like, you ask questions that you
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 4: want the answers to. That's actually a pretty straightforward question.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 4: There's no nuance there, really. How a guy answers a
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 4: question can tell you oftentimes more than what he actually says.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 4: We had a talk about this this morning. I sensed
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 4: a growing frustration the last couple of press conferences with
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 4: the way Mike Vrabel was answering some of the Gonzalez questions,
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 4: because I felt like Vrabel himself had grown tired of
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 4: the ongoing negotiations. Again, my words, not Mike's. I felt
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 4: he was telling you, enough already. Let's get this signed.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 4: I don't want to deal with this anymore. It's time
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  Speaker 4: to play real games. I sort of sense that, and
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  Speaker 4: I think it's It's part of the job. If you
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  Speaker 4: don't like those kinds of questions, then I would say
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  Speaker 4: you don't want to be in the business. You don't
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  Speaker 4: want to do this for a living.
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  Speaker 7: It's like a damned if you do, damned if you
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  Speaker 7: don't kind of thing. Because if you don't ask those questions,
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  Speaker 7: you're going to be labeled as like a fanboy or soft.
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  Speaker 4: I'll give you an example. Like the gotcha thing. If
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  Speaker 4: I went to say to Christian Gonzalez, Christian, do you
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  Speaker 4: think the Patriots are cheap as an organization? That's a
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  Speaker 4: cheap shot question. That's trying to get him to say
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  Speaker 4: something because you want him to say it. And no
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  Speaker 4: matter what he says, it's not going to be the
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  Speaker 4: right thing. Like, asking the guy if he wants to
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  Speaker 4: be traded or, you know, are you frustrated by the
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 4: lack of movement in the negotiations? Those are perfectly fair
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 4: questions during a contract extension talk. Like, you know, what
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  Speaker 4: were you... You know, Robert Kraft deemed this the.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 4: The offer was the highest paid corner. Do you see
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 4: it that way? Those are perfectly fair questions. And those
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  Speaker 4: were the questions that were asked to Christian Gonzalez throughout
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 4: the summer. What I would say that I really agree
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  Speaker 4: with where I think Gonzalez was most impressive was just
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  Speaker 4: how willing he was to talk. We heard from him
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  Speaker 4: three or four times.
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  Speaker 7: Christian and Keyshawn Booty I think should be athlete case studies.
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  Speaker 6: If you're in that situation, that's how you should deal
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  Speaker 6: with it. Especially Booty.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know if any of you guys saw his
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  Speaker 7: texans introductory presser.
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  Speaker 4: I saw i saw parts of it i thought it
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 4: was better with in that than he was here in
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 4: the summer i think here in the summer you could
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 4: clearly tell yeah enough already trade me right now for
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 4: sure he didn't.
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  Speaker 7: Say those weren't the words right yeah and then in
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 7: houston just like totally classy just i agree this is
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 7: business love the kid yeah because.
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  Speaker 4: Ravel had made a comment that said that he would
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 4: probably be inactive yeah right and Again, that's a perfectly
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  Speaker 4: fair question for the Houston media to be asking him.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 4: Your previous coach indicated that you would be inactive. Now,
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  Speaker 4: as a reporter, are you hoping that he might say
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  Speaker 4: something like that?
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  Speaker 14: What?
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 4: Fiery? Yeah, you probably are because it makes it for
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 4: a better story. But it's a straightforward question and he
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 4: handled it. I think Alex nailed it. He handled it perfectly. No,
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 4: I understand what Mike is talking about.
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  Speaker 8: I think you've got to remember, these journalists, they're not
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 8: serving the players or the coaches.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 8: They're trying to get to the bottom of it for
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 8: clicks and their viewership and all that stuff. So they're
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 8: going to ask the tough questions. The biggest misnomer in
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 8: the business. What you're doing is hurting the team.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 4: That's not the journalists concerned whether it helps or hurts
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  Speaker 4: the team now you don't want to openly be doing
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 4: your job poorly but your job isn't to help the
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 4: team unfortunately that's what it's become is everybody's become a
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 4: cheerleader and that's why when my job that's why when
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 4: christian gonzalez it gets broken by a national.
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