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Talks to Steven Alexander about his choice of The Robots of Death (2/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  If the Doctor Who Coventry podcast to sound like a bloody
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  robot, honor him out of that thing.
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  Hello, I am here today, having a ball with the Glorious.
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  Steve Alexander, say Hello Steven.
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  Hello Joe. Hi.
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  Do you prefer Steve? I am upset distraught.
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  I don't notice, I don't know. It's all mine.
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  Steve all Stephen will do fine but but spell it with a V.
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  Do not spend it with a pH. You heard it here first folks,
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  okay, all I have got a question for you from me and it is about
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  the whole. So we talked about are the
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  robots human and we're kind of came to the conclusion that no,
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  they are definitely treated as robots.
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  Things that can be programmed, things that can be deactivated,
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  but also sort of robots that we can actually project.
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  Ject emotional, feelings, onto and sort of have a connection
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  with. I want to talk to you about the
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  whole uncanny valley thing, which I think is super
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  interesting and a didn't really frightened me as a child.
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  I just thought they were great robots as a child.
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  Now, as an adult, the fact that they have this sort of Twisted,
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  beautiful still human face Slapped on them.
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  I find really Sinister in the same way.
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  Our fine clowns. Really Sinister.
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  That sort of the fake painted smile.
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  Yeah. Is it a mockery of humanity?
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  Well, I think the terrifying thing about the robots is that
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  we're particularly with the robots in this show is that
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  they're like a human. They are a human wearing a
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  mosque. They are like a human wearing a
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  mask but you know you pull that face off, there's not a human
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  underneath. That's just Machinery in
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  circuitry and you've been talking to this thing and it and
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  it comes across as human. That's the same with d 84.
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  That's the same with robots. We like say with sv7, but the
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  terrifying supervisor it's but then they're not human.
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  You pull that mask away, and and you've got emptiness something
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  about this Society, then that these could look like, you know,
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  those robots in a Amy's Choice, the girl who waited just sort of
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  round hits and think they're just little White functional
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  looking robots. What this decadent Society
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  wanted serving them and their every whim was a twisted version
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  of a human. Yeah, with with big fulsome lips
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  with the force of the so, so beautiful looking.
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  They want to look beautiful version of themselves and and
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  treat them terribly as well. Do you think they look
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  particularly male or female or the or not?
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  Sure, look a little. Both as is a very clever Design.
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  Mmm. Yeah, cause they got but then
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  the humans also wear makeup that is makes I guess I'm not doesn't
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  work. It's actually with you've I love
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  with some of the others because they're wearing makeup, they're
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  all slightly be androgynous. They're all slightly in between
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  which look, I don't you look spectacular.
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  Well yeah you do. I said she like pulls Behavior,
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  really scared me again. The robots didn't scare me so
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  much, but now I realize, it's kind of all linking him because
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  Robo, phobia is Literally a fear of like it's a fear of that sort
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  of false Humanity, isn't it? Yeah, yeah well and I mean
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  robots terrified me as a kid, one of the robots that terrified
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  me the most, or to the ropes terrified, most were in Star
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  Wars, so you have and they both got numbers.
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  There's 88 and there are things. I G11 And they're the ones.
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  So in the Bounty Hunter seen with Boba Fett in The Empire
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  Strikes Back. There's this one robot which is
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  got sort of a kettle head and it's tall and spindly and they
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  brought it back in the mandalorians, do loads of
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  shooting stuff and be really cool.
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  Well, I have, is I have a vivid remembrance of a nightmare I had
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  just after my sister had been born where I live, pretty sure
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  was, it was either a gay argue. That was one of those two robots
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  in it. There's a big white room and
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  there was a prime with my sister in it.
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  And there was this the robot was there and there was this big
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  ribbon holding the pram and the robot just cut the ribbon.
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  And in Nightmare terms that was absolutely terrifying.
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  Terrifying. Just you telling me that I so
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  terrified? I actually did it as did my toy
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  photography actually did it as a toy photo with the, the robot
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  pushing the brand because it's just such a vivid Image in my
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  head and the, the other robot that it's not really a robot.
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  It's a computer B. HAL 9000.
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  I'll probably watch 2001 when I was about six or seven and I did
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  not sleep for a year. I tell you that is that was the
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  scariest damn thing I've ever seen in my life, just this calm,
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  robot voice, and the model. If appearing, out of nowhere, it
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  was just like Jesus. So those are the things Gabby
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  and but it is. It's the is the emptiness for
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  me. It's the there's a robot and
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  there's nothing behind it. That scares me.
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  The most, you have a robot that scared me the most.
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  Yeah, well suppose you'll it was table Tory in Battlestar
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  Galactica and it was, I'm sorry. There is going to be a spoiler
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  here. Folks, this has been out for
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  over a decade. You have had your chance to
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  watch it, skip the next five minutes if you don't do this,
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  when Tory has revealed, Be a Cylon at the end of episode 3
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  and she's always been a very sort of proficient.
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  But Humane character she realizes she's an automaton and
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  she realizes she could be fucking evil.
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  Now if she wants to be and she wants to be.
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  And so she makes the choice to murder.
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  One of the regulars in an airlock in a really horrific
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  scene where she takes the baby off this woman and she says it's
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  fine I'll take the baby then she goes through and then sucks her
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  into space and she basically Makes a choice like no, no, I'm
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  not a human being. I can do Terrible Things.
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  Absolutely chilling. Yeah.
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  Well they've got no compassion, they never give up and they'll
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  chase you forever at the Balkan it?
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  Well, yes, well but then the ball good their own thing.
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  And yeah the point is is this story is working on these four
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  levels. We've already mentioned classism
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  then that uncanny valley thing. The bit where where Paul was
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  like, you know, they put we've they pretend that we control
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  them but really what really you know all that it's a bit
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  theatrical but he's making a point.
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  Yeah they are terrifying. What's called in The Walking
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  Dead? He literally calls him, doesn't
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  he? Yeah.
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  Well, they've got the corpse markets, haven't they?
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  But it just it's it, does it. It doesn't like, oh my God.
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  This is gonna be really deep discussion.
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  It just casually throws these things on screen and does them
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  in a naturalistic airport was a naturalistic but a natural
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  progression kind of way and yeah.
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  But then you're left with those thoughts.
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  Look how brilliantly uses Leela, who uses Body Language?
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  They talk about body language in this world only about how you
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  carry yourself and the robots. Don't have that, you know,
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  literal one County Valley so she can't predict them.
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  She'll throw their knife on it. Just go.
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  Yeah, boing, yeah, she's creeped out by them as much as we are.
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  I think it's creepy mechanical men.
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  There is a psychological aspect of this and I think
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  psychological horror It is more effective as an adult.
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  It really is and it is just really done well here.
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  Yeah. But we get a bit of other
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  anyway. Let's show we do pop.
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  So yeah, let's do it. Well, I well as well because I
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  you know what there's also there's also somebody Horror in
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  this as well that horrible Gunk on that hand that.
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  Oh yeah my hand but also need lots of users needles and things
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  like this. Anyway, episode 2, let's do it.
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  Okay, in s, V5 s V4. Sp3 SP2 sv-1 and here we go as
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  everyone said, as everyone said how brilliant the Tom Baker
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  title sequences, uh-huh. Okay, looks like going up a
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  gastric track, though. Apparently it's the same thing
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  as a stretch, plastic carrier bag with oily kind of textures
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  on it. And I like have you seen how
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  they make it? Have you seen the, the rotoscope
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  documentary? Oh, It's it's so much effort.
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  It is so much. Effort, is incredible.
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  The link below come on when this comes out.
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  Yeah, we'll find it will find it.
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  Anyway. So Tom's got in, for a latte,
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  gets more than he bargained. For why I find these seems very
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  strange. This is a, I feel like we're
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  killing time. We've already done this in my
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  VHS version, we'd already miss skipped on with the plot by now
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  we should do. We should on the VHS version, we
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  should just gone straight through and done a for our VHS
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  track and I love his love. His battery pack.
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  We have that taught, I had that thought even in the 80s that
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  Lovely battery-powered torch, there is an unusual amount of
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  blood in this as well. He just had blood around his
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  neck. Wheezing Blood on the robots
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  hands later, don't worry like yeah, Mary Whitehouse is having
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  well and it's very White House. Must have missed this one
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  because it's so much horror and blood in it.
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  It's a bit doesn't feel Gothic in the way that some of the
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  others do because it's a clean sci-fi setting.
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  It's not like we get stones of blood later on or what whilst
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  Commander aggro that Feels very Gothic but is going for the
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  scares in a big way. Do you think there is something?
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  I've talked about a lot lately on her style and I think well
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  coming down the Mary Whitehouse. I don't get me wrong when I was
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  a kid I was lapping this shit up all the skirt.
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  Yeah. Is there a responsibility to not
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  send children to bed sort of wetting the bed?
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  Well, there is a responsibility, I mean, but the responsibility
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  extends as far as having guns in fiction, You know, I'll be like,
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  guns are horrible, horrible things.
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  I bet I went to America and went to a shooting range in Las
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  Vegas. And so I've been hot had this
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  because I went around Simon Simon heart had this more than
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  me, but it was so horrible. It was so important watching
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  them, taking kids in there and get them to shoot the shoot, the
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  rifle range stuff. It's a gums, a terrifying
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  things. So if you talk about cleaning it
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  up, nobody talks about we should never see a gun.
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  On television. So but at the kids love it, kids
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  love to play Cowboys and Indians or play robots and aliens and
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  shoot each other. So and this watching this and
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  seeing a bit of blood and being safe with, it makes you feel
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  grown-up. But can you go too far?
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  Because I like, I feel is a scene in this story that goes
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  too far. You, you can go too far and
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  their own daughter. I mean, they always say, don't
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  make if the kid could copy it and hurt them.
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  Sister or her someone realistically.
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  So they if they were women to the kitchen and got the knives
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  outside stabbing each other, that will probably be too much.
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  Yeah, well because there is a sequence where one of those
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  laser some probes is it was just actively a needle is stabbed
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  into the head of one of the robots, which, you know, like
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  the illusion is there. They're supposed to be people
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  that supposed to be a needle, like that is in, what is
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  happening there, but that's not the same as talking about the
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  scene. I think that goes too far is
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  where the child is putting. Into the position.
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  It's a POV shot of sv7. Strangling tus.
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  You are the person strangling tooth, and I think it's a
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  terrific bit of direction. Mmm.
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  I think it might be a step too far to put children in the,
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  like, in the POV shot of murder. It's something.
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  Well, hopefully the children will be behind the sofa by that
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  point already because the robots already in the room but we unit
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  but you know that it's not you. Unless you're, unless you're a
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  sicko gets off on that kind of thing.
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  It's very real to me when I was a kid.
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  Like, like this this world was far more exciting to me than my
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  world. Oh, absolutely.
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  Isn't it? It's such an escape.
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  I don't want to be that person that I want to be that person,
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  that sends ring. These things I wouldn't take
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  anything out any of the scares, all the violence in Season 22
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  and stuff like that. I just like you I do wonder
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  sometimes if perhaps you have a point.
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  Yeah. Like well yes she did.
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  But also what you should also remembers that she was a fascist
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  lunatic who wanted to control everything that we saw on screen
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  and should have shut the fuck up.
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  I like that character like to his name.
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  Well, I'd kind of remember. It's not child.
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  Visit no trouble. Is it for all?
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  It's for all, isn't it Borel? That's another story.
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  Okay. Never mind anyway, but you think
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  JT Falls going to kill data Falls?
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  Going to kill Lila here, which is again.
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  It's a clever twist because we seen them killing all the others
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  but but there's a clue for the viewer because he can speak and
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  so he's not a dumb and yeah it was just incredibly clever.
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  Isn't that? Tom Baker says he's a robot with
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  secrets. Oh told him would I not have
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  killed you too? Oh yeah Gregory to pollinate.
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  What a voice is absolutely gorgeous.
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  Isn't it? He's fantastic man.
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  It's clearly like someone doing a robot voice, but he injects
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  him with enough feeling, doesn't he?
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  Yeah, I just that slightly Singsong slightly silly tone.
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  That such a joy to copy because you can copy this.
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  You can you can do them. Please do not throw hands at me.
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  Me that kind of me. Every time I have failed, I
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  cannot talk is failures one of the great freedoms.
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  I was thinking about that yesterday, I actually was
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  thinking of made all the wrong decisions today I've got
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  everything wrong. Oh, what a disaster.
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  Let's carry on making wrong decisions and just embrace it.
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  This is great. That's how I learned.
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  I got this live shows that it was you guys.
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  You try that again and I'll cripple you.
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  Oh, kick in. Okay, so that's too much
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  violence. She kicked him in the nuts.
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  There he go. Over what?
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  Turns up on Blake's 7, but is that I Tim Dickinson, asked him
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  to consult about this is the famous to ratzass over.
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  This appears again in time, lash Blake server all over the place.
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  It is a it's like I'm not an art so far but they just haven't Who
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  have they cost two thousand? They cost ten thousand.
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  Well, I was like really it costs more than your house in time
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  lash they sprayed it. It's like nasty.
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  Color green to remember. Well I like time lash they don't
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  that's all I want to say but I like I look at those lovely
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  little cassettes. You just see that it will land
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  on cassettes calculators. They have on the walls The
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  server's entry coders. But I've got to be honest.
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  Yes, I from a few sort of Technology, things like that.
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  Yeah, story does avoid a lot of the sort of myth steps that we
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  get, you know, the spinning reel tapes and because when they're
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  trying to portray the future because they've just gone sort
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  of total Glam. Hmm.
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  Yeah, I'll bet they're all the other side of the room.
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  You've got those lovely bits of art.
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  They just want to see those. It's got a lovely little stained
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  glass mirror, and they've got a bit of gold all over.
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  They're so nice. Thank God.
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  Don't they make a joke? Don't know when they're hiding
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  lucky. They've got no eye for are
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  either way when they're hiding behind a stained glass door.
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  And you can tell, someone's just gone.
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  They're gone with bits of wood and card and somebody's gone
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  over over this room with silver tape, just run around the room
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  with silver take making shapes and having a whale of a time but
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  it looks amazing. I do, you know it's there but
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  you know what your love has got the equivalent of a nude up on
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  his wall there? Well that tells you a lot about
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  it. What this is about.
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  Room, is it? Yeah, yeah, I think.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  We're with his, with his secret kinky bed bed that he's got with
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  a little curtain and his new Tangy off, it tells you a lot
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  about the character. Would you like a Jelly Baby Joe?
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  Shut up the exchange rate. I've been waiting to say this
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  all my life. So now find out of starting a
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  podcast. Was it why don't you shut your
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  mouth? Why don't you shut yours?
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  What? She's a good as accused me of
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  During my friends, you had any friends such a dialogue because
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  they all fucking hate each other.
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  It's just great. They call it crackles, doesn't
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  it? Michael O'Brien just did a shop
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  there with five people and you can see all their faces and it
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  and you can see them all looking.
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  And it's the perfect Agatha Christie shocked because they're
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  all pondering and scheming thinking of this affects their,
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  but he doesn't block it in. I thought of sorry.
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  Lisa Nicole. Peter Moffitt style way where
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  everyone sort of Lauren Jones. We're also sort of lined up in a
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  row. It actually looks like people
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  standing in a room, you know. Yeah, it's a sort of like
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  pyramid leaving through and then pulls right at the back.
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  It's pretty cool. Who's the killer look at him?
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  He is so guilty. I do because ball goes up to Tom
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  Baker. Now, and tries to strangle him.
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  Yeah, just let the robots. Have you ever said this line?
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  The classic example of the inverse ratio between the size
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  of the mouth and the size of the brain?
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  No, because I know that I'd get half way through and I go
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  classic inversion of the national bird of the brain of
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  the player. I always say all the time to
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  people at work and they go. Huh.
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  Exactly. You you do not work with an army
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  of Doctor Who fans clearly not also not wallow but I would very
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  briefly like to talk about Brian capture who is going to reach
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  his demise, I believe it before the end of this episode.
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  Yeah. And it's off screen as well.
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  He doesn't even get like a death scene to see.
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  No, no, no. He he's got his lovely pink
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  outfit with his absolutely gigantic color.
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  And yeah, utilize off-screen. What a shame somehow.
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  He's still managing to play this as a bit of a sort of Cockney,
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  lad in a i yeah, it's his mode isn't it a but but he's so good
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  at it. He's so I'm sure I've seen him
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  in other things where he turns it down a bit but he's just the
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  bully boy at this point. And that's what I like about his
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  Travis as well but he's gone from being the Suave villain to
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  a bully boys. Cockney Thug.
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  And if you can buy into that then it's fine.
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  But yeah because he liked the very first thing he does in this
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  story. Isn't he saying that story
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  about? Oh no it's chapters telling the
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  story isn't about the robot. I just twisted his arm off for
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  all over in 5 seconds. Yeah but he's got that kinda
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  like in this in particular he's got that kind of restrained
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  violence because he's afraid because he can't control the
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  situation and then he goes to attack the doctor and it's and I
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  look at him You know, I think he plays this extraordinarily.
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  Well even his like all Bullies Are well this is very all
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  bullies are afraid and they're all like just trying to control
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  the situation and that is clearly what he's doing here.
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  I love that this bit now. Where's illness tame?
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  You flatter yourself. Look how close they get, it is
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  right in for the kiss, isn't it? Yeah, he's breathing down her
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  neck. The noses of and they've got the
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  same note. He's copied her nose makeup.
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  Yes, I'll have more money than you have fancy family ever
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  dreamed of got. If someone talk to me that close
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  at work, you think of the implications are bloody noses
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  off, give him a slap, although there have been slapping each
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  other in this scene. Anyway, I think this is where
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  you see Dash trousers, isn't it? Yes.
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  Going to say before this scene know you could have been any one
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  of them still couldn't. It's still a bit up in the air?
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  Oh yeah. Everyone says oh you see dust
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  Houses. But honestly, yeah, I was
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  looking, I was looking, everyone's trousers previously
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  to this. So, I remember who's wearing
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  what? Trousers.
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  Fuck off. Yeah, this this design here.
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  These straps. Now they're make it work because
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  they cover it with a line, you know, it.
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  Yeah, longer than steel or something like that when you
• 21:42
  change the molecular state, but it's clearly, it's a couple of
• 21:47
  leather strap stuck together with velcro.
• 21:49
  Yeah, I was like in the dominators, where they will just
• 21:51
  go and stand against Stall and say oh no I'm strapped to this
• 21:54
  fall by invisible molecular bonds or in dark invasion of
• 21:58
  Earth where they're holding the colors up.
• 22:00
  Remember the ties but they clearly it's very difficult
• 22:06
  because you might not want to actually put your actors in
• 22:10
  really painful restrained positions on television because
• 22:14
  the cuz they'd complain you know and they get hello long.
• 22:17
  Time to shoot as well. It's the truck.
• 22:21
  Okay today we're Eating the seed where you're on the rack.
• 22:24
  So we're gonna put you on the rack for eight hours today.
• 22:27
  Let's see how you get on with that.
• 22:28
  No, thank you, living it. Well, Angela says, to Paul, you
• 22:31
  know, you move like a hunter, watch all the time.
• 22:34
  David Willetts in the documentary goes, I'd put took
• 22:39
  put my acting skills to the to the absolute limit.
• 22:42
  He goes I'm having to move like a hunter dressed head to toe in
• 22:47
  chiffon. Yeah, yeah.
• 22:52
  What the hell? Are you hunted for your next
• 22:54
  Camp pair of trousers? Yeah.
• 22:59
  So back back back on the beautiful Command Deck at the
• 23:01
  moment, it's also underlit there as well.
• 23:06
  So the mass or glow. It's something that thing is in
• 23:11
  the middle. There that big sort of plastic
• 23:13
  Bowl. I love bits of equipment like
• 23:16
  that. I know and he's looking at it,
• 23:17
  it's kind of like it's some kind of directional control so it's
• 23:22
  like the The wheel on a ship. Isn't it somewhere between a
• 23:25
  wheel and a bit of? Is it biblical the one that Jon
• 23:29
  Pertwee nicked off that ship that time?
• 23:31
  Yeah he's giving it to his son. They had to buy it back off him
• 23:33
  to action. They've all got their all, then
• 23:38
  we've got the Spock Star Trek viewscreens.
• 23:40
  Have made a little viewscreens. They look at.
• 23:42
  Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah, big reborn.
• 23:46
  Another question is, but it's one of mine.
• 23:48
  Oh, yes, it is. The please do well.
• 23:50
  I sort of written down in my notes.
• 23:52
  Here, that all the victims have an unlikable moment like they're
• 23:57
  flawed and they're rich and they're pampered even to so one
• 24:00
  more and one moment in with sv7, she just goes, no, no, no.
• 24:04
  Just bring him to me like, she's like, being, it's a robot.
• 24:08
  I know it's a robot and yeah, but effectively, she's been
• 24:13
  quite me. You've arnoff is arrogant, you
• 24:16
  know, to seize matter. And so it's Zelda, is massively.
• 24:20
  Arrogant like, are we supposed to?
• 24:22
  Like these rich pampered people well but you do don't you?
• 24:29
  I like all of these characters I know they're all because of the
• 24:32
  actors. Yeah well I'm and I don't think
• 24:36
  Paul is intrinsically on paper a likable character but again I
• 24:41
  just love David Collins and Devon of is the so Yvonne of is
• 24:45
  a bit frightening and a bit intimidating, but you do like
• 24:49
  him typically towards the end I think it Russell.
• 24:52
  Hunter wasn't giving the sort of charming lime reading.
• 24:56
  So he is Yovanna off could be a very unlikable character other
• 25:01
  than it might come down to this theory of the way you make
• 25:06
  people really like you is at first, you're really horrible to
• 25:09
  them and then you start throwing them, little bits of being nice.
• 25:12
  So they feel that they've broken through your heart exterior,
• 25:16
  it's called the sixth doctor effect in.
• 25:18
  Oh yeah, yeah. I hate that as an idea.
• 25:21
  And so did the audience is in, In 86, they were out for quite a
• 25:25
  lot like me, you know, is it area to that Weekly possible for
• 25:30
  you to fly? Joe are the live are rather fond
• 25:32
  of bumblebees. Very fond of bumblebees.
• 25:37
  Would you get a nice to have been disappearing lately?
• 25:39
  Like yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 25:42
  That's still going on in it. Or did you see that Lois?
• 25:44
  I was a completely dropped out character, which to thank you.
• 25:49
  And so I have but this is a, this is a second Tori isn't it?
• 25:53
  So she still trying, I think after this there's no more
• 25:57
  lapses like that. There's none whatsoever.
• 26:00
  But I do think she has a few moments where she's
• 26:02
  characterized quite badly. There's moments in invisible
• 26:05
  enemy and an andorian, but I think her characterization
• 26:09
  throughout season 14. These three stories, I summon a
• 26:13
  best characterization, any companion has ever been given,
• 26:17
  yeah. Just this year, isn't it?
• 26:19
  And then I think, maybe, maybe she should have left him.
• 26:22
  Loans because she's not as good after that.
• 26:25
  Nice timing has come a bit which is really good and horrifying
• 26:29
  wrong and in some makers. Yeah, so so so Joe, you're
• 26:34
  writing a doctor who companion and you're in a hurry because
• 26:37
  there's a scripture do. So what do you do?
• 26:42
  I call for a robot, this is great.
• 26:52
  Simply makes him realize like is here and even, even the
• 26:58
  six-year-old seven-year-old is Miles Ahead of pool at this
• 27:02
  point. The audience is way ahead of
• 27:04
  him, which is so satisfying to watch.
• 27:06
  And when he realizes that's, that's really, that gets.
• 27:10
  You doesn't it? That's just like.
• 27:11
  Yeah, sucker. It's really sad.
• 27:13
  It's we've lost in a bit worried said, I'll call for a robot
• 27:15
  knows that whopping great close up on his face.
• 27:19
  We don't really get those anymore do we they're quite a
• 27:21
  bit over the top. Close-ups, you know the great
• 27:24
  zoom in when you realize something, the loss of
• 27:28
  theatrical hyperbole is the greatest loss on telling like I
• 27:34
  want close-up. I want actors like zilber here,
• 27:37
  crying badly Now card. Now that we're praised the
• 27:41
  stories are high heaven. This is not great acting.
• 27:44
  Is it? Steve you've Bill Peters.
• 27:51
  Got they matter in hand. Mm.
• 27:52
  Oh, I don't know. I didn't know you thought of me
• 27:56
  that way. I know your past, you know, my
• 28:01
  brother. We work with you.
• 28:02
  Once you push the papa train, I will, I will defend it on the
• 28:09
  grounds that a worker. Say.
• 28:13
  I'm just a silly Posh girl, which is absolutely unfair.
• 28:15
  But a silly Posh girl who's out of her depth.
• 28:18
  Might actually do exactly that and cry.
• 28:22
  Unconvincingly and so somebody who's not practicing the
• 28:27
  emotions of being upset, would behave that way.
• 28:30
  And, you know, if she was the only female character in, it
• 28:34
  would be unforgivable. Between got Pamela Salem,
• 28:38
  playing the Charming sophistica, haven't you?
• 28:40
  And then help Louise Jameson playing the noble savage.
• 28:44
  So, you've got different types of women in this, how we not
• 28:48
  talked about parabolas element, how long before she has.
• 28:51
  Um, I would say that about she is beautiful.
• 28:59
  Tom Baker, says, right documentary goes.
• 29:02
  We used to do. We used to do rep together, me
• 29:04
  and Pamela and she'd come on the stage and all the oxygen will be
• 29:08
  sucked off the stage. We'd all be thinking a bit Saint
• 29:11
  because it's all the collective gasps of everybody in the
• 29:14
  audience and he said, nobody was looking at our acting.
• 29:18
  They were just all looking at Pamela.
• 29:23
  She's such a darling, such a beautiful darling, so so good in
• 29:27
  this. But like both her roles in
• 29:30
  Doctor Who she embodies, she's utterly convincing it, both of
• 29:34
  her roles. Yeah, there's a lot relationship
• 29:37
  as well. Because he got a because the
• 29:39
  command structure you got evolving commander and two
• 29:42
  sisters pilot to co-pilot OOTS. Politics is the second pilot and
• 29:48
  they there are kind of mom and dad in a way of this found, the
• 29:52
  Leon board which I think it's just an odd thing, isn't it?
• 29:56
  And I'm dead and it's just the two of them.
• 29:59
  Yeah. That 9 electron packs.
• 30:03
  Can I ask you something? I'll ask me, lots of things.
• 30:06
  Are you telling me that the painstaking research?
• 30:09
  I've devoted my life to have been superseded by a bunch of
• 30:12
  tin? Plated, Pepper Potts, I'm afraid
• 30:15
  it has bad luck. Joe.
• 30:18
  Oh, Bubba, right, snow. That's part of this podcast has
• 30:32
  just hit a massive, massive hole in the ground and tilted to one
• 30:36
  side and Archimedes screws are falling off.
• 30:39
  Did you notice all of that weird fabric on the floor?
• 30:42
  Yeah. What's that all about?
• 30:44
  And this there's the tiger skin rug as well.
• 30:46
  There's all kinds of weird stuff get why it's comfy for the
• 30:48
  actors to fall on the way shamisen.
• 30:50
  Got to throw ourselves. On that sofa load in the shade.
• 30:56
  Did you throw yourself on the sofa?
• 30:57
  A little less harshly because it's a very expensive so far.
• 31:00
  We have to get back to stock. I think Mars fothergill's got
• 31:03
  the most Sinister voice in all of Doctor.
• 31:05
  Who, you know? Yes, he has.
• 31:09
  I know God. And that little look to camera
• 31:11
  as well. Sv7 isn't it?
• 31:12
  Yeah, absolutely. I think we at this point
• 31:15
  everyone's got a secret having a everyone's got a back story, we
• 31:18
  don't quite know, all the details of anyone know, but
• 31:21
  We're gonna find out, aren't we? Yeah.
• 31:23
  Are we supposed to expect? Like a pyro moment though where
• 31:26
  the doctor gathers everyone together?
• 31:29
  Well, I he's not quick enough busy because I believe you
• 31:32
  gather everyone together. You just be borrowing corpses
• 31:34
  into the main control room, wouldn't you?
• 31:37
  Steve this should be appalling. This sequence where they're just
• 31:42
  pretending that this mining ship is, you know, going to sink into
• 31:45
  the ground and blow up. And we've done this a million
• 31:47
  times and dr. This sort of fake Jeopardy but
• 31:50
  it's just Teeth with so much urgency.
• 31:54
  Yeah, salt. This is a again, another Blake
• 31:58
  7. In comparison.
• 31:59
  The episode orbit where you've got pulled arrow and Michael
• 32:03
  Keating on set and you just think about how brilliantly it
• 32:07
  works and then you think about them filming it and how how can
• 32:11
  you project all of this onto the screen when you're just standing
• 32:14
  there on a silly hat. It's so so these these these
• 32:18
  guys are so talented, it's unbelievable if Pamela.
• 32:21
  Oh Salem screams. She's going, then she's going.
• 32:24
  Alright, so great such a brilliant Cliffhanger.
• 32:30
  Yeah, you got a punch up. The only punch up here.
• 32:33
  I think it's pretty because it's a really shitty moment of
• 32:35
  Jeopardy. That's just realized with skill.
• 32:43
  What is this made up situation that they're?
• 32:45
  Yeah, I'm not sure what the leaders covering our ears.
• 32:50
  I don't know, maybe still the alarms and the panic and stuff,
• 32:53
  well, just on Vicki's headed to do that quite a lot.
• 32:55
  Then she when she was just grab a head, you know, Grand did it
• 32:59
  as well, quite a bit. Yeah, Yeah.
• 33:02
  But and leaders come from on that Savage Society.
• 33:07
  So actually that's of convincing reaction because she would not
• 33:10
  be used to all the industrial stuff and alarms and noise going
• 33:14
  on. That would be very different for
• 33:15
  her interesting. Steve, are you a bold enough to
• 33:18
  now for me to return? Twitter to ask you more compact,
• 33:22
  more questions. Well only if the the only of the
• 33:24
  Twitter RT and were content to give themselves more Pat's on
• 33:27
  the back. Okay, well then they cast up
• 33:29
  some more brilliant questions. Not faulting responses here, you
• 33:34
  do it. Somebody's arm off, do quickly.
• 33:36
  Okay, Todd Bill, be from flight for entirety asked.
• 33:39
  Could to serve been a companion. No Daryl, no, yes, no, wait to
• 33:43
  see a Salem? My God.
• 33:45
  Yes. Oh my God, they will be here for
• 33:49
  a lot of young men. In life, had she been?
• 33:53
  But a, but to some Lila together, how would that work?
• 33:56
  Two switches be like to know. I think maybe a baby at each
• 34:00
  other. I don't think they get all
• 34:02
  heavily. I'm not sure who this is.
• 34:03
  But with the Intriguing name of PSI fly.
• 34:07
  Fly fly another side. Yeah.
• 34:10
  And look, there's great design of but it's that VHS cover,
• 34:15
  where the robots look like Kraftwerk, that's really icon.
• 34:20
  Enoch. Am I right?
• 34:22
  Is he right? He is right and I hadn't thought
• 34:25
  of the Kraftwerk album cover I think it I think it's they are
• 34:28
  out and crafts. What?
• 34:28
  We've got the robots in a row that is the same as this and
• 34:33
  that so close, that VHS cover is so good, nobody knows me knows
• 34:37
  who did it, who did it? Who did that cover?
• 34:41
  Who is okay? I got a question for you.
• 34:44
  Yeah, who is the girl with the flaxen hair?
• 34:47
  What does that mean on the back of the VHS?
• 34:50
  There's a little thing saying there is an expert from the girl
• 34:53
  with the flaxen hair. And I love never like, I know
• 34:59
  now because I looked it up its by Debussy and it's a little bit
• 35:02
  of music, but I cannot place that music in the episode
• 35:04
  anywhere. I'm sure someone likes Li heart
• 35:06
  will be able to tell us where it is but I don't know.
• 35:09
  So yeah. But it's well ask him another
• 35:11
  time. Shall we dance?
• 35:13
  Yeah, I got the girl with the flaxen hair and write in and let
• 35:16
  us know three questions. I'm going to do a quick fire
• 35:21
  round. You ready?
• 35:21
  Is it Fraser? How is Mark A5 experience?
• 35:25
  Exclamation mark. Oh, that's original.
• 35:27
  Okay, so our fabulous beard. Okay.
• 35:30
  Question one, Pamela sailor, best actress who was never cast
• 35:32
  as a companion. All this is a question.
• 35:34
  Oh, this, I got a better actress who was never cast.
• 35:38
  And companion is in stones of blood and it's a bit Rich living
• 35:42
  mayman. Yes, to all the robots, the best
• 35:45
  design, classic monster, all the best-designed know you got the
• 35:50
  mechanoids, fuck's sake, gauri Dr. Whoo, yay.
• 35:56
  Or nay, the hand with the obvious obvious human flesh on
• 35:59
  it. We didn't have that in the
• 36:00
  episode. Did we?
• 36:01
  We didn't have the glory hound and the Quarry hand still in our
• 36:03
  future. I'm not a scared.
• 36:05
  All right there. So free actually.
• 36:06
  So you have to hold my hand. I can you please tell me when
• 36:08
  the hands coming up? So I can have my Heidi cushion
• 36:10
  and even Heidi cushion. But go ye or nay.
• 36:15
  I'm gonna put a qualified. Yay.
• 36:17
  Okay, provided it is on screen for Less Than 3 seconds and
• 36:22
  provided. It is not obviously a bit of
• 36:24
  brain. Mmmmm.
• 36:26
  Hillary's from Doctor Who to have 43.
• 36:29
  Dylan. Yeah.
• 36:30
  Fabulous. Obsessed with his podcast at the
• 36:33
  moment. Have you ever listened to the
• 36:37
  follow-up series? Kaldor City from Magic Bullet?
• 36:40
  If? So, what are your thoughts on
• 36:42
  it? If not, why not?
• 36:44
  It's bloody glorious, he says, okay, jove you listen to it, as
• 36:48
  he have it, but I haven't listened to it but I'm going on
• 36:51
  the back of this. Yeah, I yeah.
• 36:56
  Well, why not, why not? Let's listen to Capital City
• 36:58
  because it's probably really good.
• 37:01
  Next question. Do you think the robots are hot?
• 37:05
  I'm asking for a friend, ha, ha. Someone would fuckin when they,
• 37:09
  let's be honest. Well, give them.
• 37:11
  They probably have advanced processes and quite a lot of
• 37:16
  circuitry packed into them. I should imagine.
• 37:17
  They won at quite a high temperature.
• 37:19
  So, yes, they're probably quite hot.
• 37:21
  We did say, they looked sort of mixed gender didn't way and
• 37:23
  didn't ya? I've sexiest.
• 37:25
  So that's probably why. I find them.
• 37:26
  So hot. So Dylan.
• 37:27
  Here's a question for you and you can respond on Twitter.
• 37:30
  Would you like to be fucked by someone wearing the robot
• 37:33
  mosque. If I just happen to have one
• 37:35
  right here, oh sorry, Graham Hampton.
• 37:39
  Lots of new names here. Grandma when Borg knocks, the
• 37:42
  bag of jelly babies, out of doctors hand, one of the Vox
• 37:45
  robots has a very interesting reaction.
• 37:47
  I was statement, it's not question.
• 37:49
  Yes they do. Yes, yes.
• 37:51
  And, and because they watch, they track the jelly babies
• 37:55
  flying I'm and landing. And that's really, that's really
• 37:59
  good. It's such a, and it's another
• 38:01
  little detail that gives the robots character as well, but
• 38:04
  makes you feel bad because it's comical, but at the same time,
• 38:09
  it's right because a robot would have that kind of trafficking
• 38:12
  software. They watch them fly and also
• 38:14
  maybe there's also probably thinking which bugger is going
• 38:17
  to have to clear up these jelly babies is it going to be one of
• 38:20
  these guys? These humans know me a robot.
• 38:23
  I'm going to clear up. Have a good point Fraser Gregory
• 38:27
  prepared ever again. No Mary send for a massage in
• 38:32
  Capitol City, touissant Barn off and dat for of not done one of
• 38:37
  these before. I don't think, I've not done a
• 38:39
  stock Mary sent to Capitol City. It was it is to serve on off and
• 38:44
  did on off the 84. Well, I would I would smoke to
• 38:52
  suvarov and the 84. I would marry to savart law and
• 38:55
  e84, and we'd all live together in a big house.
• 38:59
  Oh, have a good together. Yes.
• 39:01
  Yes, Daisy called, give us massages.
• 39:03
  I believe between Devon of and tus and and we'd my sergeant.
• 39:09
  Oh my God, carry on. You know what?
• 39:12
  Yeah, you know you're telling me not to talk about this.
• 39:18
  I'm gonna finish off with Darren lit.
• 39:19
  Roundels. Wonderful.
• 39:20
  Darren it roundels if they're worked on the sand, my under,
• 39:24
  which outfit would you wear? Oh well, the the oh my word!
• 39:33
  Oh, so much to choose from but you know what I would I would
• 39:37
  every day I would wear a different outfit but this is
• 39:41
  also something that I am it brings like an old memory.
• 39:45
  You know that the sort of fabric they were That sort of like gold
• 39:49
  fabric when when I was about and particularly that bit, you know,
• 39:54
  the bit where two Hertz are armed and they're rapidly up in
• 39:58
  that kind of fabric stuff. When I was about four or five
• 40:03
  years old, I was in the school play and we were doing the story
• 40:05
  of Rama and Sita and I had a pair of gold trousers knitting,
• 40:12
  it made by my mom out of that. Very kind of fabric, that very
• 40:15
  kind of like stretchy kind of fabric.
• 40:17
  Okay, and it was the most outrageously Ichi fabric I've
• 40:22
  ever worn. So I was a loose end.
• 40:26
  Yeah, well, what if I could wear, if I could wear an
• 40:29
  underwear and my soft under layer then?
• 40:31
  Yeah, I'll probably be happy with it.
• 40:32
  But, but it's so it's so catchy catchy titles.
• 40:35
  We can think is fabulous Crown. You know, God, when we all have
• 40:40
  an asylum tells a story, you know, and the documentary about
• 40:42
  how she's got a neighbor this crazy, Albert, who lives next
• 40:45
  door. She wears like this dish It's
• 40:47
  gold diamond crown and she said, every time she sees her she goes
• 40:52
  passage because you don't you like my crown and family Salem
• 40:54
  sort of nods because she's nice and goes off.
• 40:56
  You look lovely. There's it reminds her of to say
• 40:59
  every time I do but I would I would wear I would wear men's
• 41:04
  clothes. I wear women's clothes are be a
• 41:06
  top laugh.