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Patriots Catch-22 7/29: Training Camp Observations and Analysis, Previewing First Padded Practice · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two Podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar and Lazarre.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it? Joined us always by our bar Gas.
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  Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bar The great time
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  Speaker 1: of year for us.
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  Speaker 2: This is the draft in training camp. I feel like
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  Speaker 2: our wheelhouse on this show. I feel like this is
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  Speaker 2: our place.
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  Speaker 1: Like the more players we're dealing with that one Eddie
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  Speaker 1: given point, the better we do.
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  Speaker 2: And because the ninety first guy matters on Catch twenty two,
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  Speaker 2: the punter matter.
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  Speaker 1: Certainly. Hope you included special teams on your list.
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  Speaker 2: I did. I think this team has got real aspirations.
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  Speaker 2: Can we get into the playoffs in January and the
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  Speaker 2: personal protector screws up the protection and a plot and
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  Speaker 2: a punt gets blocked in the AFC Championship game, We're
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  Speaker 2: gonna We're gonna have to talk about it. This is
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  Speaker 2: a fun start to the show. Okay, Oh there we are.
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  Speaker 2: That was loud.
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  Speaker 1: I know if people could hear that. I get the
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  Speaker 1: Monster trucks right now.
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  Speaker 2: Monster Jam is tomorrow night here at stadium.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if that was shattering that.
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  Speaker 3: It was.
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  Speaker 2: I was about to go out there and Yale, you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna yeah, show going on in here? Be quiet all right?
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  Speaker 2: Well as the opening UH made it sound and set
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  Speaker 2: the table rightfully. So Alex, this is uh, this is
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  Speaker 2: our time of year on Cash twenty two. One of
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  Speaker 2: I would say this in the draft, our two favorite
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  Speaker 2: times of the year on this show, because the ninety
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  Speaker 2: first guy does matter on the roster. And when I
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  Speaker 2: was trying to figure out how we were going to
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  Speaker 2: structure the show today, I wanted to make sure that
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  Speaker 2: we talked about as many players and as many battles
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  Speaker 2: and as many things as we possibly could. So I
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  Speaker 2: came up with the idea of we're gonna have top storylines.
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  Speaker 2: I got about six or seven of them, no pun intended,
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  Speaker 2: and then I got then we're gonna do three up,
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  Speaker 2: three down, where we're gonna focus a little bit more
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  Speaker 2: on the bubble players in the back end of the
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  Speaker 2: roster guys, and three up, three down, so you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: get your fix a Christian Gonzalez and Kaishaan Boodi and
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  Speaker 2: AJ Brown on the top of the show. Then we'll
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  Speaker 2: get up to three up, three down. Then we'll get
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  Speaker 2: into your phone calls and your emails and your participation
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  Speaker 2: in the show. So should be a really good show.
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  Speaker 2: You have plenty to talk about after watching three competitive
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  Speaker 2: practices for total if you want to count the walkthrough.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know about you, Alex, yesterday felt like
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  Speaker 2: the first day of training camp. That practice yesterday two
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  Speaker 2: hours shells, which is essentially the same thing as full,
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  Speaker 2: full padded practices at this point in the NFL lexicon.
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  Speaker 2: Two hours under the sun, lots of team drills one
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  Speaker 2: on ones for the offensive and defensive lineman, some thudding,
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  Speaker 2: some hitting. I mean that was I was like, all right,
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  Speaker 2: here we go, here we go. Cause first couple of
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  Speaker 2: days I was a little I was a little bored,
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  Speaker 2: which I think is what you get for a lot
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  Speaker 2: of different.
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  Speaker 1: Reasons extension of the spring. But they ramped it back
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  Speaker 1: up for sure yesterday. And we know even last year,
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  Speaker 1: like some of those practices aren't fully padded, but they're
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  Speaker 1: in the shells kind of reflect more of a padded
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  Speaker 1: practice under Mike Vrabel, And I think that's a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of what we saw yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So some of that's because of the five day
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  Speaker 2: ramp up period and the way the NFL structures things
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  Speaker 2: some of that, though, I just looking at this team
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  Speaker 2: right now and the way things currently stand, I can't
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  Speaker 2: remember the last time we covered a camp alex where
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  Speaker 2: they had pretty much no starting jobs available, Like there's
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  Speaker 2: really no starting roles available on either side of the
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  Speaker 2: football you want to call it, you know, the elevens
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  Speaker 2: on each side. I think both of us, barring injury,
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  Speaker 2: could tell you the eleven starters on offense and the
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  Speaker 2: eleven starters on defense, you know, forgetting about packages and
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  Speaker 2: things like that. But the general eleven guys today that's
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  Speaker 2: going to be out there week one in Seattle on
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  Speaker 2: Wednesday night in the beginning of September, So there isn't
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  Speaker 2: as many of those opportunities. They don't have a new
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  Speaker 2: coaching staff. They don't they're not trying to break in
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  Speaker 2: a number three overall, pick at quarterback or have a
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  Speaker 2: quarterback competition. So overall it's just been a much different start,
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  Speaker 2: much different feel to training camp. I think for a
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  Speaker 2: lot of those types of reasons. The coaching staff is
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  Speaker 2: entire back in its entirety. Drake May is kind of
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  Speaker 2: a made man now or not worrying about whether or
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  Speaker 2: not they have a quarterback. There aren't a whole lot
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  Speaker 2: of starting jobs available, so you do find yourself talking
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  Speaker 2: a lot about the third tight end, the third running back,
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  Speaker 2: depth on defense at all three levels. That's type of stuff,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't know if we're going to get a
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  Speaker 2: real barometer maybe in the joint practices of the big
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  Speaker 2: picture questions with this team. The pass rush, yeah, Drake
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  Speaker 2: May's improvement from year two to year three, the young
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  Speaker 2: offensive lineman and the offensive line in general improving, like
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  Speaker 2: those are the things that are going to make or
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  Speaker 2: break their season this year. I don't know if we're
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  Speaker 2: going to learn any of that in late July or
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  Speaker 2: even in August, so that that does kind of put
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of a damper on training camp, but
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  Speaker 2: would have been your overall impressions of the first four
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  Speaker 2: days of training camp before we get into the specifics.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's been a good back and forth between
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  Speaker 1: the offense and the defense. We've had the last maybe
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  Speaker 1: not as much last year, but the previous years before that, Right,
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  Speaker 1: these camps were dominated by the defense, and that's not
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  Speaker 1: you want to see. You want to see it be
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  Speaker 1: kind of balanced. You want to see guys go back
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  Speaker 1: and forth. So I think, you know, it's very early,
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  Speaker 1: but I do think that's been the case. I think
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  Speaker 1: the offense pretty definitively one day one, I think the
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  Speaker 1: defense pretty definitively one day, two day threw his walk
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  Speaker 1: THROUGHSD you throw that out, and then honestly, like I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, was yesterday a draw. I thought the defense
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  Speaker 1: had a really good first half of practice, and then
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  Speaker 1: Drake May kind of came back and responded in that
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  Speaker 1: second half. So, however you want to, you know, probably
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  Speaker 1: lean offense, but that one was pretty even. So I
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  Speaker 1: think it's been a good back and forth, which again
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  Speaker 1: we'ven't seen in a while.
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  Speaker 2: Yesterday it was a great day yesterday. It was a
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  Speaker 2: really good day at work because I thought, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: early on, Drake May had a few May sprays, was
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  Speaker 2: a little wild with his accuracy. I was watching the
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  Speaker 2: one on ones mostly, but I heard him seven on seven.
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  Speaker 2: He was a little bit errant with some of his
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  Speaker 2: throws too. And then later on in practice you started
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  Speaker 2: to see not necessarily the rhythm or the efficiency that
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  Speaker 2: I think we're hoping to see by later in training camp,
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  Speaker 2: but the downfield throws started to come, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: one to key Shan Boudie, the one the Hunter Henry
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  Speaker 2: to wonder Remandrie Stevenson. If that wasn't a sack, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, it was close, but if he did
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  Speaker 2: get it off, that was a great throw and a
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  Speaker 2: great extension of the play. That's you started to see
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  Speaker 2: a lot more of the Drake May stuff that we
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  Speaker 2: saw last year, throwing the ball down the field and
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  Speaker 2: things of that nature. So a great back and forth
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  Speaker 2: yesterday competitive There was one where Mike Rabel had to
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  Speaker 2: blow the whistle and Christian Barmore got pretty heated and
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  Speaker 2: it was because he got a little too close to
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  Speaker 2: the quarterback and so the offensive line got a little
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  Speaker 2: heated that he got a little bit too close to
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  Speaker 2: Drake May for a practice and like that, that's the
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  Speaker 2: type of intensity and a type of competitive competitiveness that
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  Speaker 2: you want to see even this early. I think, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think they felt it yesterday a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a very competitive few days for the non
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  Speaker 1: padded portion.
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  Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, I would agree, and I think that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Christian Gonzalez said it after practice, and then
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  Speaker 2: we'll move on to the specific things I wrote down
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  Speaker 2: that that lost in the Super Bowl. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: lingering in the sense that it's lingering as a stinging
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  Speaker 2: feeling for a lot of these guys. Even a guy
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  Speaker 2: like Christian Gonzalez, who was the best player on the
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  Speaker 2: field for the Patriots in the Super Bowl. H he
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  Speaker 2: even is like still has a bitter taste in his
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  Speaker 2: mouth about it. So I think some of the intensity
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  Speaker 2: early on in camp is stemming from the fact that
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  Speaker 2: they hated how it ended for them last year and
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  Speaker 2: they're trying to correct at this time around. So we'll
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  Speaker 2: see if they're able to do that. All right, let's
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  Speaker 2: get into the top takeaways, top storylines here from the
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  Speaker 2: start of camp, and I think the number one storyline,
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  Speaker 2: and I think this has jumped, you know, Christian Gonzalez's
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  Speaker 2: contract situation. Just from a camp perspective, I think we
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  Speaker 2: have to start with Kishan Boudy and Kaishan Boody's just
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  Speaker 2: red hot start here to training camp. I think he's
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  Speaker 2: just been maybe even better than what we saw him
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  Speaker 2: look like in the regular season last year. Obviously, the
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  Speaker 2: downfield throws have all been there, but he's made a
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  Speaker 2: couple of intermediate catches as well. But the play he
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  Speaker 2: made yesterday and the throw and the catch were great.
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  Speaker 2: Over Kevin Byer was just vintage. Drake made a Kaishan Boody,
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  Speaker 2: you know, does a really good play all around. I
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  Speaker 2: have been luke warm on this idea of having a
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  Speaker 2: three receiver set that's a lot of Brown Booty Dobbs
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  Speaker 2: because of the overlapping skill sets. I don't love the
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  Speaker 2: fact that there's not a speed guy on the field
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  Speaker 2: and that grouping. But the more you see kaish On
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  Speaker 2: Booty emerge, the more that you have to start experimenting.
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  Speaker 2: And I think they are trying to experiment or explore
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  Speaker 2: ways of having him and aj Brown specifically play together.
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  Speaker 2: You know, both guys that have played a lot of
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  Speaker 2: X in their career. How do we get these guys
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  Speaker 2: on the field together and still remain versatile in multiple
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  Speaker 2: The other thing I would just mention about Booty is
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  Speaker 2: I think we're at the point now. I wouldn't say
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  Speaker 2: that he's untradeable, but if you're going to trade him,
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  Speaker 2: it has to be for something good, Like we're out
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  Speaker 2: of the world of we're going to take a conditional
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  Speaker 2: six that turns into a fifth if he plays well,
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  Speaker 2: like it has to be in my opinion, at least
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  Speaker 2: I would say a fourth round pick, maybe even a
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  Speaker 2: third round pick to even have the conversation to make
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  Speaker 2: it worthwhile to trade Kaishon Booty at this point. So
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  Speaker 2: if anything about it has changed for me from where
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  Speaker 2: we started to where we are four days in, I'm
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  Speaker 2: starting to see that there is a path forward with
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  Speaker 2: all all three of those guys on the roster and
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  Speaker 2: working it together out there on the field. And I
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  Speaker 2: think that the price for Kaishan Boody in a trade
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  Speaker 2: has gone significantly up. Like I don't think you can
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  Speaker 2: just give away Kaishan Boudy at this point.
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  Speaker 1: No, not the way he's playing right now. No, He's
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  Speaker 1: gonna make it very difficult on him. The reality is
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  Speaker 1: like somebody's gonna have to be the odd man out,
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  Speaker 1: and there isn't a clear one. They have seven legit,
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  Speaker 1: you know, NFL caliber receivers. You can't carry seven. But
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  Speaker 1: where the chemistry's at with Kaishan Booty and all of that,
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  Speaker 1: And I think that I don't think I think he's
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  Speaker 1: having an outstanding camp. This is not jet Not only
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  Speaker 1: has he been the best player on the field for
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  Speaker 1: the Patriots. I think this is the best. He looked
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  Speaker 1: saying like, oh, Kaishan Boody picked up where he left
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  Speaker 1: off last year. I think is underselling it a little bit. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's been that good because the consistency's always been the
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  Speaker 1: issue with him. It's been in spurts and he's been
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  Speaker 1: so consistent. But I think even more than that, it's
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  Speaker 1: the chemistry with Drake May and where you look at
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  Speaker 1: he's still building the chemistry with AJ Brown, he's still
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  Speaker 1: building the camstry with Romeo Dobbs. It's such a stark difference,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that you know, Zoe's been talking about
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  Speaker 1: this when I've done shows with him. Third, Nate, you asked,
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  Speaker 1: Drake May, who do you want in the huddle with you?
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  Speaker 1: Who's the first name? He's gonna say. It's probably gonna
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  Speaker 1: be Kashan, But it's gonna be Kashan Boody and Harber
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  Speaker 1: Henry Ye are gonna be the first two names out
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  Speaker 1: of his mouth. Right, So that's really hard to move
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  Speaker 1: off of unless you get blown away. Obviously, if you
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  Speaker 1: recoup the first you got right for trading A J. Brown.
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  Speaker 1: You not that I think they can get that. But no,
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  Speaker 1: he's been too good you can't move a guy that's
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  Speaker 1: playing this well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does, and I maybe this is also part
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  Speaker 2: of it. I've kind of learned my lesson from the
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  Speaker 2: Jacobe Meyers situation. It's not exactly the same, but it
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  Speaker 2: does feel a little bit like that, where you have
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  Speaker 2: a receiver with your young quarterback that have clear chemistry
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  Speaker 2: with one another. Yeah and clear uh. You know, they've
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  Speaker 2: gone they played games together, they've had productive seasons together.
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  Speaker 2: And even though you might look at it on paper
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  Speaker 2: and say, aj browd and Romeo do there better players
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  Speaker 2: or have had better careers than Kashan Boody, you don't
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  Speaker 2: want to take the binkie away from the quarterback. Right
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  Speaker 2: and right now, Kaishan Boody feels a little bit even
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  Speaker 2: though it's different than like a Brady binkie, because a
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  Speaker 2: Brady binkie would be like an Edelman or a Welker
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  Speaker 2: type of receiver. This is like a down the field
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  Speaker 2: binkie because that's Drake May's superpower is throwing the football
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  Speaker 2: down the field. So it's a little bit different. And
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  Speaker 2: you know, to segue it into the AJ Brown conversation
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  Speaker 2: at his slower start to camp, I think a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the things that you're seeing with Kashan Boody are
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  Speaker 2: the trust to kind of just put the ball up
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  Speaker 2: and expect him to make plays at the catch point.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that Drake May needs to develop that
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  Speaker 2: trust in AJ Brown because AJ Brown is a similar
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  Speaker 2: type of player. Like you might look at it and
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  Speaker 2: say the corner is kind of in his hip pocket,
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  Speaker 2: but if you put it on AJ Brown outside shoulder
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  Speaker 2: in the bucket, just like Kaysehan Boody, He's going to
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  Speaker 2: box the corner out and make the catch. Those are
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  Speaker 2: the types of things that I think are coming with that.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, just segueing into AJB Brown and Romeo
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  Speaker 2: Dobs AJ Brown specifically, I know there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: numbers out there. You know, Drake May is what three
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  Speaker 2: for ten with an interceptions growing to AJ Brown is
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  Speaker 2: a big number that's getting out there. I just I
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  Speaker 2: feel like I'm seeing a little bit of overreaction with
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  Speaker 2: with AJ Brown and Drake May right now. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: at all concerned about it, and I just would be
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  Speaker 2: really weary of putting out It's four days into training camp.
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  Speaker 2: The stats are the stats, but they're misleading in my opinion.
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of the things that are going
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  Speaker 2: on with Drake May and AJ Brown right now are
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  Speaker 2: mental more than they are physical. I don't look at
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  Speaker 2: AJ Brown and say he's lost a step, he looks
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  Speaker 2: a little slow, he looks like he's you know, a
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  Speaker 2: little stiff, or anything like that. I look at it
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  Speaker 2: and say, Drake May threw to his outside shoulder and
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  Speaker 2: he curled inside, Or Drake May thought he was gonna
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  Speaker 2: sit the route down and he kept running. You know,
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  Speaker 2: that was one of those the other day. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the crosser that Drake May threw a pick on that
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  Speaker 2: Craig Woodson ended up with on day too, that I
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  Speaker 2: put on. Drake May just threw it high, like he's
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  Speaker 2: wide open in the middle of the field. So if
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  Speaker 2: you take away the practice interception that goes on the
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  Speaker 2: stat ledger and instead you say that Drake May is
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  Speaker 2: actually four for ten throwing for a J Brown with
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  Speaker 2: like a big play on a deep over route. Doesn't
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  Speaker 2: that like that one thing can just like change it
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  Speaker 2: instantly as to how you might feel about the situation.
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  Speaker 2: So I think we are way too early for some
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  Speaker 2: of the the uh you know, just we're going a
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  Speaker 2: little bit overboard for with AJ Brown because I think
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  Speaker 2: he's had he's built it up where he's like built
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  Speaker 2: up the resume right in the cachet to just build
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  Speaker 2: your trust that he's going to figure it out, and
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  Speaker 2: they're going to figure it.
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  Speaker 1: Out, and we're probably gonna hear a lot about how
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  Speaker 1: Randy Moss wasn't good in camp in two thousand and seven.
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  Speaker 1: All at this too. Credit to Brian Hines who went
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  Speaker 1: back and found this. So yesterday was the fourth day
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  Speaker 1: of practice, right, Drake May missed AJ Brown twice kind
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  Speaker 1: of badly in seven's, but then had a couple quick
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  Speaker 1: completions with him in eleven's Day four camp last year,
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  Speaker 1: Drake May throwing his Stephan Diggs missed him badly in sevens,
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  Speaker 1: then had a couple of quick completions in elevens. It
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  Speaker 1: took it a minute with Diggs last year too, So
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  Speaker 1: like I guess you got to ask yourself and you
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  Speaker 1: gotta be honest with it, Like where is the point
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  Speaker 1: where you start to go from It's early in camp,
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  Speaker 1: they're building chemistry. AJ Brown has kind of built up this.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he has a reputation you can give a
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  Speaker 1: time to like, Okay, why aren't they clicking, why aren't
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  Speaker 1: they on the same page. I think once you get
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  Speaker 1: into the into the joint practices is probably when you
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  Speaker 1: start to talk about that. So I think it's worth noting.
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  Speaker 1: And I'd say the same with Romeo Dobbs and even
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  Speaker 1: like we'll get to Eli Raid and Eli HD and
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: is an awesome start to camp in terms of I'm
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: getting open, Drake May has missed him once or twice too,
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: So I just think getting on the same page as
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: some of those new receivers overall is a thing that
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: he's just kind of working through right now.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. If there's one thing that I would say about
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: the AJ Brown thing, and I said this yesterday, I'm
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: pu two. AJ Brown, especially at this stage of his career,
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: is not an elite separator, Like he's not somebody that's
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: going to create like three or four yards of separation.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: So you're not gonna necessarily be throwing to him where
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: he's really wide open like that, especially against man coverage,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: especially when he's seeing a lot of Christianzalees, right, Like,
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: that's not gonna happen very often. So a lot of
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: the throws that Drake May is gonna make to AJ
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: Brown this year, are gonna be kind of throwing him
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: open or trusting him to win fifty to fifty balls.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: And that's I think it's something that's always going to
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: be a little bit of a work in progress. Like
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: there's gonna be a lot of comebacks where AJ Brown
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: just kind of boxes out the guy, or digs where
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: AJ Brown shields the catch point breaking into the middle
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: of the field, or you know, go balls like he
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: throws to Kishan Boodie where the guy's draped all over him,
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: but he's just stronger and bigger and better at the
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: catch point in the corner. Those are not necessarily things
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: that you're gonna see right away. Like that's gonna take time.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Like you said, joint practices, I'm not saying, don't talk
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: about it and like you know, act like your head
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: is in the sand. But I would even say, like
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: I think you take I would be willing to take
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: it in the season before I'm really panicked. You know,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: if we're like a couple games into it in September,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: you know, Seattle or whatever, like then I maybe start
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: to worry about it a little bit. With AJ Brown
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: right now, I'm just I think, like I just said,
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: He's built up so much equity in the NFL as
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: an All Pro caliber receiver and one of the best
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: receivers in football that I'm just willing to give him
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: that grace. And I guess maybe it's contradictory, but I
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: don't feel like it is with Romeo Dobbs because I
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: just haven't. Romeo Dobbs has never had a fifteen hundred
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: yard season and made an All Pro team like AJ Brown.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: So with Romeo Dobbs, like I see a lot of
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: the similar things where I'm not seeing a ton of
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: juice or separation from him, and that concerns me because
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: he's kind of a guy that they had a big
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: role in mind for. And if I had to say
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: at this point in camp, where Romeo Dobbs would rank,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: just based off of what we've seen in practice in
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: the effectiveness category amongst Patriots receivers, he's definitely behind Booty.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Behind Pop Douglas. I think Pop Douglas has had a
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: better start the camp from than.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Like getting lost. I think in in Gai Shawn Booty's
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: hot start. Paul doug has also been very good and
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: very involved. He's there is either third or fourth most
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: used wide receiver.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, because he brings in We've talked about this.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: He brings a different flavor, he brings a different brand
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: of football.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying when they go to so when they're
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: in twelve, right, Yeah, it's mainly a J Brown with
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: either Dobs or Booty right their base receiver. When they
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: go to eleven, Pop's usually the third guy. I know
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: you mentioned they've done some with those other three as
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: kind of that. I don't know what we'll have to
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: come up with a name for that package, the big eleven,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: the wide receiver, jumbo, big eleven could work something like
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: that eleven. Okay, well, but what about when Mac Collins
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: comes on the field, bigger eleven.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: I guess that's true, But then maybe that's still big
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: eleven because like we're replacing Mac, like you're gonna be replaced.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: But you get like they've done a little bit of that.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: But whether it's Brown and Dobs or Brown and Booty,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know how much they've done of Booty and Dobbs.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: But when it's those guys on the outside, Pop Douglas
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: is the starting slot receiver right now, like he is,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: He's probably technically like the fourth guy on the depth chart,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: but he's their third receiver.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Well, and I think it stems back to something that
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: I've been beating the drum about. Is it he offers
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: a different skill set in a different level of speed
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: that if they have in quickness, AJ Brown, Mac Collins,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Kishon Booty, Romeo Dobbs, is their four guys that they're
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: kind of rolling with. It's just a little bit slow.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: It's it is what it is. So Tomorrow Douglas, his explosiveness,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: his quickness that you mentioned, even his vertical stretchability is
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: speed slot ability.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Which I think is underused.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like those are all elements that are just bring
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: a different flavor to the table, and I think that
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: they see it that way too. But to go back
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: to the Dobbs point, Booty definitely pop. I think definitely.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I would say I'm still saying that Aj Brown has
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: been better than Romeo Dobbs, even though it hasn't been.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's kind of by default, Like Matt Collins.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: And Kyle Williams, I haven't played a ton. You've got
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: a ton of looks, but at best, I think you're
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: saying that he's your fourth most effective receiver right now.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: And I think at times we've seen them just say
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: we're gonna go Booty Brown, Douglas because those are the
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: three guys that have earned the reps right and so
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that I'm giving up on Romeo Dobbs,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: but it's definitely been a slower start. So I guess
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I'm underreacting to AJ Brown and I'm overreacting to Romeo.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I kind of put him in the same bucket, and
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean they'll end up in the same place.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: It's just it's something to watch. The chemistry is maybe
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: not just there yet, but you know, he can get
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: the chemistry with AJ Brown, maybe not get there with
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Romeo Dobbs or vice versa or whatever. So I think
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: they're both in something to watch category.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree, I would just I was hoping
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: to see, you know, we were kind of talking up this.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Romeo Dobbs is the possession receiver, the chain moving receiver.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Brown's the big play guy. We just haven't seen that
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: hit yet quite the way I think that they wanted to.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Next one here, going over to the defense after some
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: offensive points, you got to talk Christian Zalez a little
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: bit I think my biggest takeaway and we can talk
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: about the contract and what he said yesterday too, but
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: he just looks terrific. I mean, he looks like he's
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: in midseason booty.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: So I said this the other day, Booty's probably been
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: the best player in camp. If it's not Kaishan Booty
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: is Christianzalez.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: And I feel like I keep saying that. But you know,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: quarterback notwithstanding, I think quarterbacks a different position, different thing.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Every year they bring in new guys. You know, last year,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: their big ticket item was probably Milton Williams or Stefan Diggs.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: This year, it's AJ Brown and Christian Zales. To me,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: just keeps being the best player on the field in
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: a Patriots practice, not you know, quarterback withstanding. So I
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: think Christianganzales just looks like he terrific, looks like he's
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: in mid season form. If there's one thing I would
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: say to put on the A. J. Brown thing too,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: He's not going to go up against one of the
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: best corners in football every single week. So you know,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: if Christian Zales isn't the best corner in football, he's
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: the secondary. He's the third best corner in football. And
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: so AJ Brown is going to see lesser competition at
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: some point than what he's seen. I give Gonzo a
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: ton of credit. I think a lot of players would
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: have hold held in at the very least. I think
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: a lot of players in his situation would have held
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: out entirely. I think a lot of players would have
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: came into camp and gone through the motions or maybe
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: even been out of shape. And he has done the
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: total opposite. He has basically said I'm coming, I'm healthy,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I'm in shape, I'm going to practice in full. We'll
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: see if he continues to do that as almost like
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: a way to entice them to give him the contract
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: more right, instead of going the other direction. I just
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: give him a ton of credit for all of it.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: How he's handled it with us, how he's handled it
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: on the practice field, how hard he's been practicing, even
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: though he doesn't have that long term security yet. I
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: don't think a lot of players would have done the same,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: and he's done it. So kudos to him.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he's been excellent in every way. And
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: you know, we'll see when the pads come on if
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: he continues that that level of participation. But he's shown up.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: He's played, he's played well. I think he said all
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the right things. You know, Vrabel mentioned he wants to
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: be a captain. This is captain like behavior and obviously
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: captain like level of play too. So you couldn't outside
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: of the contract actually getting done, I guess you really
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: couldn't ask for any more from Christian Zalez through four
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: days of camp.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: No. I mean, we've seen it across the NFL with
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: guys that mostly nowadays they hold in because they don't
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: want to get fined for not being there, so they
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: hold in. But it happens all the time, and a
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: lot of these guys at that position, specifically younger players
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: looking for their second contracts, have had hold ins, and
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Christian Gonzalez has just not done that. So kudos to
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: him on that. On the contract, a couple of things yesterday,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Denzel Ward gets a little sweetener, gets a little extension.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Is only a two year extension. He's a little bit older.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: But the number I thought was very telling. Thirty one
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: point one million, which is one hundred thousand dollars more
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: than what Trent McDuffie signed with the Rams earlier. You
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: texted me just double it right, because it's a two
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: year sixty two million dollar contract or sixty twenty. Yeah,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: hey he did no, he he did.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: No. You think I would have done that math?
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: You did do that math. I'll show it to you.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: And show me. I don't think I texted that.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I was shocked that you were able to do that math.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: He said, just double it.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I thought it just texted you and said, whoa.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: No, I'm telling you go back and look.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I'm looking.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: He's so surprised that he did math is that he
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: doesn't even believe me that he did math.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Oh no, you sent me something and said lol, yes,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: and then I replied it was and then I replied
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: with the Denzel word tweet and said double lol. I
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: meant like you were laughing at something, and I said,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: this is also funny.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to give you cry.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: I was so confused by what you said.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: I thought I thought you did the math, and you
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: were like, I get I get it. I thought you
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: you did the math. I was giving you credit for
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: actually knowing math for one.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: No.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I just was like it was.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: So kind.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Barth isn't good at math, and you're not good at comprehension.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: It's right.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: It was just kind of like weird news back to back.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: So because who was expecting Denzel Ward to reset the market?
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Denzel Ward barely but reset the market.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah kind of.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: So one metric, Trent McDuffie is definitely more in the
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: category of Christian Zales just where he is in his career.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: But that thirty one million dollar a year mark is
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: the top of the market right now.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: For corner thirty one point one.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so are we talking about Christian Zales being thirty two?
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Are we talking about him wanting even more than that?
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Devin Witherspoon obviously involved in this as well, but it
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: seems like from a just a pure numbers standpoint, the
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: number to beat is thirty one point one at the moment. Now, Yeah,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: am I saying they're going to get it done if
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: the Patriots coming at thirty one point two? Probably not.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: But if the Patriots come in closer to thirty two
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: or over thirty two, then I think that we're talking
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: about that. And I understand people always look at it
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: and say, well, why do you care about the contract?
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: It's just money. I don't care about the contract. I'm
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: just telling you, if I was the team, if I
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: was negotiating on behalf of you know, the Patriots, says
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Elliott Wolf. I would say, well, the market, Christian is
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: thirty one point one. Denzel Ward just reset the market
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: to thirty one point one. McDuffie a month ago got
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: thirty one from the Rams, so we're gonna give you
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: thirty one to five or thirty two. That's where it's at.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: So there's that piece of it. There's what he said
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: to the media yesterday. But what do you think in
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: terms of that number being set at thirty one right now?
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I mean you look at I think you take Ward
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: out of it. That's a weird one. I don't realized
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: he had no money left on his contract. This is
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: the second time he's broken the record. His last contract
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: broke the record. But there's no guaranteed money for this year.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: When you went from guard instingly to McDuffie, it went
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: up a million. Yeah, and that's year to year, right
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: So I think McDuffie's kind of in his own window.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I think it goes up a million again. I think
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the number is probably thirty two or thirty two to one,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: and then I think whoever signs first and second, and
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: maybe it goes from thirty two to thirty two one
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: two five, So it's hey, it's a bigger increase, right,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: You're you're winning by the amount you win by is
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: slightly increasing over how much the last guy won by.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: That kind of thing. I wonder if there's gonna be
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: some of that too. So my guess is it's like
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: thirty two, it's thirty two, and then like thirty two
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: one two five is what the two deals are gonna
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: end up being.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that's fair. I mean, obviously they're
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: younger than Ward, so that's a big part of it.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta throw the award one. I just think
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: that I honestly don't think it impacts it. I don't
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: think the next guy who's gonna sign a thirty one
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: one to begin with. I think whether it is Gonzalz
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: withspoon is going to be thirty two. I think the
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Ward thing, although technically yes, that one part of it
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: got reset because the total the total value obviously was
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: not a record. I don't think the guaranteed money guarantee, well,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I thought.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: You said double it, because sixty two point two with
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: like fifty something and guaranteed money is what the Ward got, right,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: So if you if you double that, you know, we
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: get to about one twenty four point four with about
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: one hundred million or so guarantee. And that's a format
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: that's that would be thirty one point one.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be thirty two.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: So at thirty two we're talking about, you know, somewhere.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Maybe the guarantees stay the same.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: We're talking about sure by four year contract for one
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: hundred and thirty two million in total value and probably
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: around one ten and guaranteed money.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Say that again, four years, Yeah, one.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Hundred and thirty two million guaranteed or a full.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Value thirty three.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: That would be thirty two over four. It's thirty two.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: I just did it. I did the math bad.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it happens, man when I when I go quick,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: it's not good. Yeah, one twenty eight probably just over
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: one hundred million guaranteed.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the deal. Yeap. So that's where we're at
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: with gonzales I thought they you know, the media obviously
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: peppered him with a lot of contract questions. Yesterday. He
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: tried to keep it out of the media as much
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: as he possibly could. Uh, mister Kraft, you know, said
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: what he said on the first day of training camp.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: I know that your station, I'm sure is talking a
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: lot about that and that back and forth.
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: But for the most part, I think when you get
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: down to it, the number that the market's at right
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: now is thirty one and Ward, just like Patrick Surtan
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: last year. So Stingley and Sauce Gardner signed their contracts
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: at around thirty yeah, and then the Broncos gave Patrick
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Surtan a sweetener to get him to thirty, right, because
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: that had been the market. So when McDuffie signed for
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: thirty one and Ward came calling and said, I have
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: no money left on you know, guaranteed money left on
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: my contract, what do they do? They gave him thirty
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: one point one, right, So the veterans are coming right
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: in over that number to just have them be at
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: the right place in the pecking order. Like you said,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: the new guys, that's a different number, you know, that's
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: a different situation. Let's stick on defense. I have a
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: couple more offensive ones, but we're on defense now. Yesterday
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: we saw Carlton Davis and Charles Woods. They practice looked
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: like Carlton Davis maybe was you know. I hate to speculate,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: but maybe like a hamstring or a lower body injury
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: or something like that. Charles Woods, I didn't see it
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: happen live, so I'm not exactly sure, but he was
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: being helped off, so I think maybe that was also
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: lower body related. So those two guys leave practice. I
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: got two things on this one. We have a lot
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: of questions about cornerback depth. I think we're about to
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: find out if any of these corners on the back
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: end of the depth chart can play, because they're all
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: going to start to get some reps opposite Christian Gonzalez
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: and yesterday we saw Kendelvilldor For the most part, Woods left,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: but maybe you know, PUNTI or minor one of those
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: guys get some run as well. The hierarchy I built out,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: I came up with a little bit of a hierarchy here.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I think the Patriots have some hierarchy or some tiers.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: You know, I love my tears. Yeah, they have some
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: tiers to the corner back room right now. Tier one obviously, Gonzales, Jones, Davis.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: I think those are the Tier one starter, you know,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: starters as tier guys. I think Charles Woods is in
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: his own tier. I think Charles Woods is top back up,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: clearly the top backup fourth corner. Not only only because
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: he was the first guy up yesterday when Carlon Davis
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: went down, but I'm sure you've noticed they've also been
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: wrapping him a lot in the slot with the backup defense,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: which tells me that they want to cross train him
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: at both inside and outside corner, so that if Marcus
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Jones gets hurt, then Charles Woods has on.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: He's just your fourth corner across the board, right because.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Last year he came in late, so I think that
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: they got him up to speed at outside corner, but
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: he wasn't up to speed so much at slot. So
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: now I feel like Charles Woods is like, you know,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: we always talk of the Jason mccordy role. It feels
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: like Charles Woods is kind of elevated into that true
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: fourth corner, you know, rotational guy.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: The third tier then is the guys that I think
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: that are competing for the roster. You know, guys that
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: are going to be the fifth corner, maybe six if
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: they carry six vildor minor prunty. You know, I think
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: those three guys are probably competing for one or two
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: roster spots at most, so I think Woods, as long
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: as this injury isn't serious, I think Woods is safe.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: I think what's gonna make this team along with the
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: top three obviously, and then those other guys I think
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: are kind of vying for that fifth spot.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I wonder if Bildor is a little closer than you,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: maybe giving him credit for he got a lot of
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: run this spring, and he did. Yeah, I just wonder
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: if he's close. Yeah, the younger guys, I thought mar
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Marcellus dile might get some more run. I thought kron
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Prunty might get some more run. I'll be curious when
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: they get into more special team stuff how he's involved,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: because I do think that there we talked about this,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I do think there's a chance that he makes his
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: team just as a special teamer, as kind of like
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: a brain and Bolden type where maybe he can give
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: you a couple snaps a corner here and there if
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: you need, but he's really in it for the kicking game.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I haven't really seen any of those younger
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: guys step up. It's it's mostly been Woods, like you said,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: and then Vildor.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: The reason why I had Woods a little bit head
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: of Vildor is not necessarily usage, but just effectiveness. I
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: think Wood's just been better, yeah than Vildor. Vildor has
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: gotten beat in a few times, and I thought Woods,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: even though maybe some of it was chemistry related, I
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: thought Woods had some really good reps against AJ Brown
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: yesterday after Carlton Davis left. So I just thought in
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: general that Ville Door's been a little bit up and down.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: I thought Woods has been pretty effective. So I had
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: him in a tier higher by himself. There. That's cornerback
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: that we're gonna see. We're gonna see a lot of
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Woods if he's healthy, Villdor, Minor Punty, all those guys.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: If Davis and Woods are both missing, then we're going
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: to see a lot of that. That tier three group. Yeah,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: whoever can practice the best out of that group I
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: think is gonna end up making this.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I still want to see a little more of a dial. Yeah,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: I still I thought he had a good summer last year.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: We know he can play in the slot. It's just
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: where's he at coming off that that torn acl.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Yep, fair enough. Last note I had on defense, and
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: then we'll move back over to the offense. You know,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: I have a dream of them being a three safety
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: team and then playing that three safety package. They've been
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: doing a lot of it. I don't know how effective
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: it's been, and I feel like my dream is maybe
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: slowly dying a little bit.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they've been trying everybody too, like.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Because I don't think that Mike Brown's had a great start.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: To get no and then del Pettis got a shot,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: and then John Saunders got some reps there, so.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: They're trying to find it. True in theory, it's a
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: great thing to have. And we talked to Bayard the
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: other day and I thought he summed it up exactly
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: how you would, but it's always good to hear it
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: from an all pro safety versus you or me. Bayard said, well,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: when you play teams that play a lot of thirteen
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: or twelve, you know, the Rams are kind of doing
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: that a lot, and everybody's taken that from the Rams.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: And it's good to have that package in your back
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: pocket to be bigger and to match up against multiple
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: tight ends. But in order to do that, you have
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: to have the horses to do it right. And if
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: that package is just not effective, or if the drop
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: off from having let's say Marcus Jones on the field
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: or Christian Ellis on the field. Is so big to
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: having Mike Brown on the field. Well, it's great in
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: theory to say let's play three safeties, but you got
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: to have three playable safeties. And right now I'm a
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: little concerned that they don't have three playable safeties.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I'm just curious. What do you thought of Buyered so
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: far in camp?
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Uh? You know, maybe you know he obviously gave up
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: the big play to Booty yesterday. Maybe a little bit underwhelmed.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: But I think the biggest thing with him, and I
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: said this when they signed him, yeah he's not a
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: man coverage guy anymore.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Right, Like you don't want to play him matched.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Up against receiving tight ends or slot receivers like he
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: doesn't have I don't think he's got the place be
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: to hang with that anymore. He to me, looks on
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: tape last year in camp so far this year he's
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: end of career. Devin mccordy, Right, Like, you watch yeah
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: them up top, you want them being a field general
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: back there. You want them putting all everybody where they're
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: supposed to be. And then when the ball snap, he's
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: the post safety help or the deep safety help and
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: he's over the top, you know, and in ballhawking. I
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: I think that when you see him come down in
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: the box get matched up against you know, pass catching
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: tight ends and things like that. Last year that was
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a struggle. I wouldn't expect it
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: to be any different. So there's that too. Like in theory,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: you could put Byert or Woodson in that like slot
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: safety role and then have a third free safety. Right
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: you know that Deron Harmon that can play that role.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: But I don't think that that's Mike Brown or John Saunders,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Like that's not there. They're bigger guys. That's not really
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: their specialty either. So when I look at teams that
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: major in these three safety packages, you know, Baltimore, the Chargers,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks, Like what do they all have in common,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Kyle Hamilton, Derwin James Nick, Ammon Warri they have a freak,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Like they have a guy that can just play that
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: at an extremely high level. Uh. Not that that means
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: the Patriots are like not gonna win the Super Bowl
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: because they don't have a good third safety.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Right, They're not gonna win the Super playing that way?
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: I Uh, Yeah, My thing with Bayard has been I
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: feel like there's been a bunch of big catches you
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: mentioned the one with Booty, the one with Henry, where
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: I like, I've written down if I myself, I keep
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: writing good coverage from Kevin Byard, But so and so
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: comes down with the ball, So like, yeah, he's not
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: getting beat. He's in the right place at the right
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: time a lot, he's just kind of losing at the
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: catch point. And maybe look, there could be an element
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: of they're not wearing pads and.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: He doesn't want to take guys to the ground, right.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to be a good teammate. You don't
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: want to be hurting guys in July. That's not smart football.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: But it just kind of has been. It has been
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: weird that I feel like I like what I've seen
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: from him, but he's also given up like a number
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: of catches.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we did a pretty good job in
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: the last Forge in Foxboro episode two of just highlighting
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: how much of a leader he's going to be for
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: those team. So I think that that's a big part
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: of it too with Kevin Byard. But I said it
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: at the time when they draft, when they signed him
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: in free agency. He's no longer a guy that I
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: want matched up against tight ends on third down. I
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: don't want him in those types of foot races running
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: across the field with slot receivers and tight ends. I
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: don't think that that's his forte anymore. I don't think
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: that's in there anymore a lot of the way, the
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: same way it wasn't for Devin mccordy in you know,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty, twenty twenty one. Yeah, that didn't mean Devin
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: mccorty wasn't a useful player or a good player. That
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: just wasn't what he was doing anymore. So you know,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: you mentioned the play to Henry, not that Henry's a burner,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: but that's a really good skilled tight end, you know,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: good receiving tight end. I don't know if Bayard's covering
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: those guys anymore for them, like when they play Buffalo.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I don't really want to see him on Dalton Kinkad
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: on a third down, Like I that's what you have
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: a young buck in Craig Woodson, Like, go put him
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: on Dalton kincaid if the safety has to cover the
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: tight end. So we'll see you about the three safety
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: package but I'm starting to lose a little hope there.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they have the horses for it yet.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's a next off season thing, you know, can't
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: do everything sort of thing. If the third safety is
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: your biggest concern, then you don't have a whole lot
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: of concerns. I would say, a couple more on offense
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: and then we'll do three up, three down. We've gone
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: forty minutes into the show and have not really talked
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: too much about Drake may with that kind of camp,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: that kind of camp, But I do want to talk
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: a little bit about it, just our thoughts on it,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: because I do think he started a little slow in
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: some of these practices. He's had a little bit of
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: the sprays at times in some of these practices. But
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: the downfield throws, the big time throws, as PFF would
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: chart them as those dimes are still there. I mean,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: we saw it yesterday. We saw a couple of them
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: towards the end of practice yesterday, so that that's still
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: there when they want it and when they need it.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Maybe the short intermediate stuff has been a little bit dicey.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: We'll see when he developed some of the chemistry with
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: those guys. Obviously no concern level whatsoever, But just what
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: has been your impression of Drake so far?
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean definitely has started some practice slow. He
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: did this last year. He's done this, I think all
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: three years. And there was a thing we talked about
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: a couple years ago with him maybe coming out too
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: amped up for certain games, and maybe that's happening for
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: these practices because every miss is high and or long.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's had one underthrown camp. No, everything's
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: been too much, So maybe he just needs to settle
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: in the big thing for me, not even what he's doing,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: and obviously with throwing the ball and obviously the deep
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: ball throwing is great, just the confidence, the confidence in
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: his decision making on the field, the confidence he's handling
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: himself with between plays, talking to us, all of that.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: This was something I talked about a little bit in
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: the offseason that I don't think he wasn't a leader
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: last year. I don't think he was a bad leader,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: but you had these big veteran voices in that room.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: It was Stefan Diggs giving the pregame speech on the
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: field to everybody, not Trake May And I think that
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: if that's what comes naturally great. I'm not knocking May
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: for that. There is something to be said for the
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: starting quarterback recognizing, hey, this guy has everybody's ear. I'm
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: gonna let him do it. I don't need to be
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: that guy. But Diggs is gone, you know, Morgan Moses,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: who knows how much longer does he have here? Some
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: of those other veterans moving on. Hunter Henry's in a
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: contract year. So I don't think Drake May was a
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: bad leader last year, but he wasn't exactly at the
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: front of that line either, And I think this is
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: the year, especially after the season he had that like,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: hey man, you got to get to the front of
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: that line, Like it's got to become his team? Was it? Like?
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: As a leader, I it was Stefan diggs offense last year,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: maybe more than Drake May's. And I think that's just
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: the way the cards fell, and that's fine, But now
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: that's got to change, and like, how does Drake May
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: look stepping into that role? And I think so far
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: that box has been checked emphatically. I think he's been
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: great in that regard.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I I would agree with your assessment in
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: terms of his actual play Yeah, feels more like his
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: accuracy has been a little bit inconsistent. But I haven't
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: had any concerns about his decisiveness, and I feel like
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: he's making the right decisions and he's getting the ball
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: out on time. It's not like these players look like
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: like train wrecks or anything like that. It's just he's
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: been a little bit off at times with his accuracy.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: So his mastery of this system and Josh mcdaniels's offense.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: The only time that I jotted down that I was
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: a little bit you know, just caught the eye on
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: one is Carlon Davis. I think it was day two. Yeah,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: they butts Carlon Davis from the cornerback spot and he
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: came in clean and would have clocked him in a game.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: So I didn't love to see that, like I would,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: you know, he gotta That's still a big part of
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: his maturation is going to be protections and seeing things
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: pre snap and getting the ball out of his hands.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: But I think he's been decisive. I think he's read
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: the field well. He just hasn't always been super accurate
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: at times. So I would rather that because he'll get
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: control of his accuracy, you know, it's early. Once he
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: throws more, once he gets into a rhythm more, I'm
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: not concerned about that. If he was back to kind
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: of holding the ball and looking like a young player again,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: that would have been more concerning to me than oh,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: he kind of sprayed that one a little bit, or that,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: you know, missed that guy on this one or whatever.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: So you know, I really think that, you know that
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: I'd rather take that now. Yeah, I think it does
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: take him some time, though. I think it takes them
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: some time in games. I think it takes them some
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: time in practice. The beginning of yesterday's practice was a
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: little dicey. By the end of yesterday's practice he was
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: kind of lighting it up.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like, oh no, I thought the second
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: half of yessay's practice he was excellent.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just the way it is with him. I
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: guess you mentioned Eli Reardan.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Speaking of We got a tiny bit of breaking news.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, what is it?
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Madden has Hunter Henry. They just released their top ten
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: tight ends. Where would you put Hunter Henry? Where would
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: rank him among NFL tight.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Ends in the eight to ten range?
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Eighth there they have him right between Sam Laporta and
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Tucker Craft. He's an eighty six overall.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. When Jeremy Faller did his list, yeah, and he
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: only received votes, I was a little surprised by that.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is a guy last year that statistically
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: was a top tight end by easily.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: No, he's not the best blocker, So if you're pulling
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: people that really care about that sort of thing, maybe
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: that's a factor. But top ten in receptions, yards, you know,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: all the advanced stuff that I love all of it.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: So I don't know how you can't put him in
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: It's McBride, Kittle, Bowers, Kelsey, Mark Andrews, Dallas Goddard, Sam
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Laporte ahead of him. I would say, have no problem
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: with that. I think that's about right.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: So Bowers is in that you need to stay healthy
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: for us to rank you higher category.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: He's in ninety three overall. That's probably part of it. Yeah,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: McBride's in ninety nine.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think Bowers is the best tight end
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: in football when he's healthy.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: McBride was really good, and you think about that, there
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: was nothing else going on with that offense.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: He was really he was.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Able to do what he did real quick. While we're
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: on it. We're transferring from quarterbacks. Yes, Madden has Drake
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: May six ninety two overall, Stafford, Alan Burrow, Jackson Mahomes
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: out of them.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: I think that's fair.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: I think that's exactly right.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: When he does it again, Yeah, if he has an
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: MVP season this year, comps up, he goes up. But
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: those guys have you know, kind of like what we
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: were talking about with aj Browdn, they have equity, They've
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: done a year over year. You know a guy that
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: I think that could be knocked out of there in
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: my opinion is Burrow.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Like I think Burrows the b third ninety seven overall, he's.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Great, but he needs to stay healthy. And even though
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: he's great, and I know their defense was historically bad
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, but he threw for all
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: these yards and all these touchdowns and it went very
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: many games. So at some point Burrow needs to get
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: back to the Burrow.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: That was going to a speaking of Dak Prescott ahead
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: of Justin Herbert and Caleb Williams.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: So Dak is kind of a film watcher truther. Okay,
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: so the film watchers really like Dak.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Well, that's how they do the Madden ratings.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that those guys, the nerd the film nerds not
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: got the analytics nerds as much, but the film nerds,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: the true junkies. They Dak's tape is really really good
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: and like his like mastery that.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Like that too.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I would say Herbert's is more like the highlights are
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: really really good, Like the good throws are like some
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: of the best. You can stack those up with any
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: quarterback in the league. I think Dak's consistency is underrated,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Like Dak's a really really good player.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: One more while we're here. Yeah, aj Brown not a
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: top ten receiver. Recording to Matten, how much.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Does Madden's They'll put on speed because my mad.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Actually playing the game, speed is everything. When they put
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: the overall ratings together, it's not as weighted, like you
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: can be nasty with a seventy five overall receiver who
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: has like ninety eight speed. Okay, fair enough, so that's
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: not other dude. The guys they have ahead of him,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Chase in JSN or ninety nine overalls, then pooka Am
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: and Ross Saint Brown. They have justin Jefferson fifth. That
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: feels a little low.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, another guy that didn't have like the best season
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: last year?
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Who have thrown them the ball? I know, I'm uh
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: ceedee Lamb, Drake London, DeVonta Smith, Terry McLaurin, Mike.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Evans, Okay, Mike Evans a little hot.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: I put a J brownhead of Mike Evans and maybe
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: even Terry McLaurin. Those are the two that I look
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: at now. I'm trying to think of who else is
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: missing there. I mean, probably another.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Mike Evans, a Hall of Famer in my mind, but
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: that's because of what he did.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta be realist.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not necessarily because of what he's gonna do
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: this year. Okay, I can live with it. I mean,
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think the reason why I brought
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: up the speed thing is because my Madden is like
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Bethel Johnson's like the best player in the game, right, but.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: His overall is not hot. Like that doesn't reflect overall
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: john No, trust me, it's still kind of like that.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: They claim this year it's different. We'll see.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Bethel Johnson was like Randy Moss and Madden.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: The trick was Madden O four. You make Bethel Johnson
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: your backup quarterback because then he was the holder on
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: the field goal, so you could run the fake field
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: goal where the holder takes it just peels out and
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: it was an auto touchdown. So you're that was the.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Play you're annoying Madden player Like when I was eight,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying, you know, I didn't punch like I'm
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: not saying, like to play Madden like a real NFL game,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: but doing little gimmicky things like that, and Madden.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: When I was eight, it was fun. I just wanted
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: to rush for a thousand yards in the game with Bethel.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: You still do that. Let's face it.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: I did have Madden four open semi recently. There you go,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: needed the nostalgia hit.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's get back to tight ends.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, so thank you for humoring me.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Eli Reriden. We buying it. We in some hype hype trains.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: I am buying that he is going to be a
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: legit threat as a receiver as it like, relatively speaking,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I think he would be. I think as a receiver
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: he represents an upgrade over Austin Hooper. I think that
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: was there on the college tape. I like what I've
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: seen from him so far in his camp. He does
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: have to stay healthy, but you don't really. I did
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: not realize until seeing him in person, Like in plays,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: he's massive.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he is tall, big, he's.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Got that power forward build. Like Hunter, Henry is not
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: a small human being by any means for a tight end.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: He's about average size, right like Eli Raridan is big
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: for a.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Tight end, huge hands.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: So there's that. Now, the caveat is, let's see the
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: pads and he as a blocker and I and some
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: of it's been coming with the twos too to be
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: fair as well. Yeah, but like is the second tight end,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: he's not gonna be drawing top coverage. I'm kind of
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: okay with that. The bigger issue for me is can
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: he block? Because what you really want out of that pick,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: and what I think they really wanted, maybe with Julian
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Hill more so than him, is to be able to
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: play true twelve personnel not twelve, but we're definitely passing
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: because this but this kuy can't blocker not twelve, but
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: the second tight ends and offensive lineman, so you know
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: we're gonna run the ball. He's not a receiving threat
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: like true tight end can be accounted for either way. Twelve,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure we're there are yet so I, well,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: it's going to be the blocking, right And I don't
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: think Raridan was a negative blocker in college. I think
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: as far as a college tight end goes, he's okay.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: The gap between blocking is a tight end in college
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: and blocking in the NFL, like at that position specifically,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: is much bigger than the gap between the receiver responsibilities
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: in college in the NFL for a tight end. So like,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: that's a much bigger question that he has to answer
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: if he shows up and he starts blocking his ass
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: off though, I mean, the hype train's out of control
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: at that point. That's going to be unbelievable. But I'll
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: have to see it, I will say, though we had
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: talked about, or I had talked about. Okay, like, give
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: it a couple of weeks, see what the young guys
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: are doing. Then go and sign a veteran if you
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: need one. Where are you at with that right now?
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Because I an Arkan hasn't been I need to see.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: I need to see I need you need to see
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: him block. But like, yeah, because I I don't, I
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: guess I'm not that you're I guess I'm a little
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: bit more admittedly, but I'm a little.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Bit more cautious with the Raritan's blocking, okay, because I
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: think in college he had some really good blocking tape
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: and he also had some not so good blocking tape.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm saying, like you you asked me, right, you
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: said the hype trains getting.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Going, it is? I mean, it's it's going.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: What I'm saying is, let's see the blocking. Like if
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: the blocking is even average for what he's given as
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: a receiver. Let's say he's just an average blocker for
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: a rookie tight end combined with what he's doing with receiving,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: where should the hype train be.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Hi, he is average? Because well, I think the biggest
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: thing to me is right now, as I feel like
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: they would be a little bit predictable tight end wise,
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: because I think Arkin's a good blocker but not a
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: great receiver. And you know, Raardan's a good receiver, but
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: not a great blocker. And I would also put Hunter
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Henry in that Ardin category, a good receiver, not a
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: good blocker. So if you're coming out of the of
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: the huddle and you're the opposition and you see Henry
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: and Raridan on the field, I don't think that that's
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: gonna happen more than just third downs in like two
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: minute and things like that.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Is how good does Reardon have to be as a
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: blocker and can he realistically show you that? Do you
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: think in this camp? To Okay, maybe this is more
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: real twelve personnel.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Maybe in the joint practices and like we'll see who
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: plays against who in the preseason games. But I think
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: the biggest thing with Rayden is I think he says
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: it has to be a better blocker than Henry, like,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: because I think Henry is kind of not a good
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: blocker at all either. So if both those guys are
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: too weak to play in line, like someone's got to
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: play in line, right, So if both those guys are
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: really struggling in line, then you know, there goes any
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: of your outside runs right at least to the tight
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: end side.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Maybe do you think he can be a better blocker?
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in time, But I think that he needs this
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: skinless chicken. I think he needs to be in that
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: NFL strength and conditioning program. I don't know if this
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: year is the I don't know if it's going to
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: happen for him this year. It might be a year
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: two leap kind of thing that we're talking about next summer, like,
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: does Eli Rearden look bigger? Does he you know, has
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: he added weight as he added mass u to his frame.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Whereas with Arkin, I think Arkin can step in pretty
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: early on and be a pretty serviceable blocker for them
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: and maybe allow Hunter Henry to flex and move around
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: a little bit more. But then I think that you're pigeonholing.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: Arkin is gonna be like Dwayne Allen, right, like Patriots
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Dwayne Allen, where like he's going to be leaked out
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: into the flats on the back side of the bougression
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: and he's going to catch like three passes the whole year.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: So you're a little bit predictable, like that's going to
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: be your base offense. You're gonna run the ball, it's
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of play action. I don't think
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: it's going to be a lot of drop back, whereas
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: with Reard and on the field, I think it's going
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: to be a ton of dropback, Like that's gonna be
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: your passing, your drop back passing game. So we'll see.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: But I'm encouraged with Reridan for two reasons. I think
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: the catches in traffic that he's made or with like
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: coverage on him have been impressive. So even though this
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: play strength, I'm a little bit concerned. As a blocker,
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: he's flashed some good play strength at the catch point,
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: which I think is gonna you have to do that
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: at a tight end. You're gonna be in crowds, you're
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: gonna be into the anti coverage. The other thing in
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: this happened yesterday. It was just one play and I'm
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: probably over selling it, but he caught a pass from
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: the veto over the middle of the field yesterday where
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: he's running a shoot route. Patriots have a shoot route
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: that has a conversion and an option at the top.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: You can either bend it like a crosser, or you
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: can keep it up the seam. And he saw that
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: the linebacker sitting inside of him as his zone dropping
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: linebackers sitting right in the middle of the field, and
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: he just sat it down and he just kind of
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: settled into that void in the zone and sat it
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: right down. And I thought, you know that that's a
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: pretty heavy play for a rookie and his fourth training
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: can't practice like that. To me, shows savvy along with
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: you know, the athleticism as a receiver. So I'm pretty
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: bullish on him as a receiver right now. Maybe I'm overreacting,
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: but I think that he's a guy that can bring it.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: I agree, you know Austin Hooper Upbrade in that regard.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Can he block as well as Austin Hooper will see?
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: But you know that's gonna be the big question. If
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: they're going to run a lot of twelve, then someone's
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: gonna have to be at least a serviceable blocker in line,
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: right So which one of those two is going to
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: be able to do that? Henry or or Raridan? Last
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: thing here on the list. I had not a ton
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: to glean yet, Alex about offensive and defensive line without pads,
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: but participation I think is important. I had two notes,
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: you know, just Caleb Lomu's role and his developmental plan
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: what it seems to be right now. Also, they're starting
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: five on the offensive line barring injury. I think we
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: kind of know what it is already. I would be
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: shocked if it's not Campbell Vera, Tucker Wilson on I
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: knew Moses yep that. I don't know why it would change.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Lomu is on that Nate Solder plan right now. He's
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: on the sixth offensive lineman. Uh yeah, top swing tackle
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: successor at one side, which will probably be right for Lomu.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: It was left for Solder, but that seems to be
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: his role right now, and I don't really see it
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: changing unless somebody gets hurt, like I I And it's
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: not anything that Lomu's doing wrong. I just I think
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: this is the plan, This is what they had in mind.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: And I mean, I think people need to recalibrate, like
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: all the first round picks got to play and like
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: kind of yes.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: But also the twentieth overall, right, we're.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Not talking top five picks anymore. And I think at
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: that position, especially like tackle, i'd say tackle, edge rusher, quarterback,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: maybe corner, are spots where if you have a chance
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: to get a guy a year ahead, you just get them.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: And you'd rather have the guy year ahead in red
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: shirt him for a year than you know, you don't
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: know what the tackle market's going to look like next year,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: and now it's in need, and now maybe you have
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: to settle or something like that. If you like, if
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: you like the guy, you take them.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: He's gonna play this year. He's gonna have his opportunities.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: It's not he's not gonna start out of the shoot.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: Morgan Moses. I don't know if he's gonna play every
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: snap or every game. He didn't play every snap last year,
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: but he was pretty close for a guy his age.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: Campbell obviously got hurt last year. I think he's still
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: gonna practice them at guard. We haven't seen that a ton,
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: but if vera Tucker or one who gets hurt, I
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised if Lomu gets called upon in that situation.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Either he's gonna They're gonna play six offensive linemen one hundred,
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty snaps this year, probably so that
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: he's gonna play, he's gonna get his opportunities. Nate Soldier's
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: rookie year, Sebastian Volmer got hurt at right tackle. He
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: played a lot of right tackle, ended up starting a
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: bunch of games at right tackle. So Loma will get
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: his opportunities. All right, before we hit the break, we
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: got our three up, three down four days into training camp,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: so uh take it with a grain of salt. This
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: is super early, but we tried to we try to
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: go a little deeper, right, A little bit more.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Of this is like Kayshawn Booty is not on here.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Christ isn't on here.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: So my number one up, I think we might have
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: had the same I'd put I put them together. The
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: tight ends reared in in.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Arkin I had, I had reared and he's just especially
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: after like we really didn't see him at all in
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: the spring, and you get a little worried, like is
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: he not showing the coaches something? Is he not doing
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: well in meetings? Whatever? Yeah, Rabel credited him for playing faster.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: It's clearly working. He's had an awesome start to camp.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Number two on my list was my guy Chucky Trees.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: I'm in on Charles Woods all right, and Charles Wood's
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: been competitive. I think it would be good for him
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: if he can play both inside and outside and be
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: that true. Fourth corners. Is there such thing as a
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: swing corner, because that's where we're headed with Charles Woods.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: I'd say inside out corner.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: He's he's backing up all three spots.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: I would I the terms I've used mention, I don't
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: know if I ever like said he's I have all
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: these weird terms in my head. An inside out corner,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: an outside in corner is a guy who can play both,
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: and it's just a matter of what's his priority. So
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: I would call Charles Woods an outside in corner. Mainly
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: plays on the outside, but can play on the inside
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: fair enough.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: So I have the two rookie tight ends. Yeah, Charles
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Woods at number two. Who's your number two?
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Land Larrison. We don't really talk about him, but still
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: squarely looks like RB three was part of the kick
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: return drill. We got a little glimpse. They didn't do
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: full team kick return, but they kind of pulled some
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: guys aside and it looked like they were going through
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: some kick return technique stuff with them. So you're gonna
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: have to do that to make the team. And some
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: of the other running backs are there too. But he's
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: staying involved and he's even gotten some run with Drake May.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: I do know he's been greater or bad again, it's
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: just tough to judge the run game overall until the
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Pats come on. But he remains just in terms of
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: the depth chart, that third running back.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's definitely on the depth chart. Is the third
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: guy right now. He's the leader in the clubhouse for that.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: I do think Miles Montgomery and jam Miller have flashed
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: a little bit with their speed, So at some point
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: I think that that's gonna come out a little bit more.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: I think Larison's probably a little bit further along. Obviously
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: after being in the building for a year and that
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: type of stuff, I think those two guys got a
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: little bit more burst. I'm sure you looked at this
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: when they drafted him and signed him and undrafted free agency.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: Do you realize how close or how similar jam Miller
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: and Miles Montgomery's body types are.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like the same player.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: They're literally the same player. They're five ten two oh
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: five with a four four forty. Both guys height, weight,
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: speeding almost identically the same. So they clearly see that build,
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: that skill set as a fit. Trayvon Henderson's also very
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: similar in that and that fit as well. So obviously
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: that's a type of back that they look at and say,
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: these are the types of guys that we want. So
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: it'll be interesting to see if once we get into
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: some of the more contact stuff, have those two guys
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: their speed because I think they have more speed than
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: Larison does. Yeah, so we'll see if that starts to flash.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: The one like non bubble situation I put on here.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: I did shart the one on ones yesterday. It was
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: three steps right the pass rush against three steps, so
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: it wasn't the full like you're really like bull rushing
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: or something like that, So give that caveat. But I
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: thought the offensive line as a whole did really well.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: I thought they kind of dominated the period. But more specifically,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: I had Campbell and Lomu five oho to one in
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: their six reps. Campbell went two to zero against Draymont
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Jones and Elijah Ponder two at left, two at right,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: three to zero to one. Pretty good for a rookie
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: in the first time doing one on ones in the NFL.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: We'll get to the flip side of that in a second,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: But in terms of positives, Campbell had a really really
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: good rep against Brayden Swinson. And we talked about this
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: a lot last year. Towards the end of last year,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: I remember we talked so much about him catching guys
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: instead of like being aggressive and going out and getting guys,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: and he was using a vertical set and he was
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: setting back into the backfield and trying to catch people,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: and I just didn't think that that was the best
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: approach for him because of his limitations. With his length.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: So in that rep with Swinson, he just came right
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: out of his stance, put two hands in Swinson's chest
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: and just immediately shut down the rep. And I want
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: to see more of that. And that was a little
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: you remember in the offseason, I think he worked a
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: little bit with Tarron Armstead a little too on arm set.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: You're on arms set. Was really good at that and
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: I think that that's hopefully some maturation with Campbell. I've
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: been really impressed with Campbell now there's no pads or
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: yesterday with Shell's he put Millon Williams on his butt yesterday, Uh,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: ear hold him, put him right on the ground. I
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: think Campbell's looked pretty good now. We'll see if it lasts.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: But I think if you're looking for your two lead
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: for him, if you're looking for him, yeah, to be
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: healthy and more like the players a.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Big thing to me. He looks healthy, yeah, and you know,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: not saying he's played poorly, but that was kind of
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: the first box to check. Last one for you, I
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: actually have two more. Okay, cool because he made me
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: think of one. The one I had written down was
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: pop and I kind of talked about this earlier. I
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: just think people were some people putting him off the roster.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: Booty's been great, and I think that's kind of overshadowed.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: Pop's been really good too, He's been really involved. But
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: the other one, I thought it because we already kind
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: of talked about Pop. You just mentioned, Yeah, he lost
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: a rep to Campbell yesterday. But Braden Swinson, I just
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: loved when he talked to me the other day. I
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: just loved what he had to say talking about new Focus,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: new diet. I didn't realize he said he was up
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: to two hundred and seventy pounds last year. You cannot
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: be a speed rusher two seventy. He said, he's now
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: back down to like two fifty two fifty five, working
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: on a new diet, less uh fruit roll ups, less gushers,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: more plantains.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: So I didn't realize that fried bananas was like a
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: positive for your diet. Isn't that what plantains is?
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: No, plantains are the thing you used to make, but
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: you can just eat them straight up. I don't think
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: he's I would imagine he's not eating them. Fried plantains
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: are just like small bananas is totally different normal.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, because fried plantains got it right.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: Totally different fruit, mostly different.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: But most people have fried them.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: Right, you can fry them. That is a deep Okay,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: that is one thing you can do with him. They're
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: very good, Okay fried. I don't know if I've ever
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: had a plantain not fed.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: I think I have had a plantain, but only It's
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: a big thing in the Caribbean.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would imagine that they just taste like bananas.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: They do, They don't, They don't.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: I think they taste like bananas.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: It tastes like at all. It's a much more mild taste. Okay,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: it's not very sweet. That's why when you fry them,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: you usually toss them with salt or other savory spices.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: But you can also steep them and they become a
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: little bit sweeter.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: When you I just got plantain, explained. I like that,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: all right, explained.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But either way, Braden Swinton's down in two fifty
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: sounds like the coaching staff loves his approach. He knows
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: he I mean, he said, I'm paraphrasing, but like he
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: didn't take it seriously enough last year.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in the.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Summer and going on the practice squad, he said he
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: needed that to kind of get the wake up call.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: So see what happens when the Pats come on. You
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: still got to make plays. But I love his approach.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: I think that he is again I just think taking
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: that we know he's talented. It's between the ears thing
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: with him, and it sounds like he's got his head
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: on straight all right.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: So those are our ups three downs. I think we
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: have to both have the same number one down and
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: we'll see if this changes. But as of right now,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Kyle Williams just seems like a guy without at home
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: this offense and definitely repping as either the sixth or
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: seventh wide receiver in the rotation. Some of that's because
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: Chishom plays in the slot and it's a different position.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: But that being said, I've written his name down once.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Paul had to remind me yesterday of the catch that
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: he made in like the first or second day of practice.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: I totally forgot about it. Not a ton of opportunity
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: with Drake May right now. The walkthrough day was the
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: most telling. The walk through day, he was literally standing
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: on the sideline for ninety five percent of practice, not
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: getting any reps. What is the path for Kyle Williams
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: right now? Because right he I don't know if it's
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: a guarantee that he makes this team, Alex, I don't know.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: I think that they probably could figure out something to
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: do with him, Like, if he's not on the team,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: is he tradable right as a year two guy. Maybe
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: somebody goes back to their college evaluation and still thinks
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: that there's something worth trading for there. I don't know,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: but I see a lot that he's definitely going to
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: make the team. I don't know that he's definitely going
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: to be here.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: So on one hand, Beatle made this point when I
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: was on with them the other day, and it's not
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: quite apples and apples, but it's not apples and oranges.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: I've said, it's like Granny Smith to Red Delicious, Okay,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Jalen Polk was a second round pick and they moved
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: on from him after a year.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: They weren't the coaching staff when Polk was drafted, so
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: in that sense, it's different.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: And I would also say that I think Kyle Williams
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: has played better there, and I.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Think Kyle Williams is he has already shown to be
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: much better player in jample Yea. But just in terms
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: of the will they move off a guy that they
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: invested that kind of draft pick in. There is a
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: little bit of precedent for it. I think he's going
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: to be here. You know, it's tough because they got
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: seven guys. Yeah, you can make the case why they
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: can't cut any of them, right, there's a really solid
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: case to not cut or trade any of them. I mean,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: Brown and Dobbs obviously aren't going anywhere. Kaishan Boody has
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: been so good in camp. His chemistry with May is excellent.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: All of that. Pop Douglass is their best slot receiver
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: and plays a unique role that most of the other
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: guys on the roster don't f to. Chisholm is their
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: only other slot receiver. So if the slot receiver is
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: going to be a factor, you need a backup, and
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: that's Chisholm and maybe he can return kicks. Mac Hollins
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: brings the uniqueness with his size and strength what he
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: does as a blocker. His catch right is he also,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: like Booty I think is very strong chemistry with Drake
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: May and Kyle Williams was a top seventy pick a
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: year ago and is one of your few true speed guys.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: And one of your few guys that are under contract,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: like right long term.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: So and I think that's everybody. Did I miss anybody?
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: Or did I just figure out who they're cutting? But
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: they can't carry seven and maybe somebody gets hurt. Maybe
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: you get a godfather offer for Kashawn Booty, somebody buys
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: into this camp he's having. But like that's the problem. Yeah,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: you probably can't cut a guy like Ky Williams. So
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: you can say that about all seven of them, and
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: then you're just back to we got to cut one.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: So you just mentioned Booty. The real path for Kyle
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: Williams being a true contributor this year was pushing Booty
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: off the roster, right, him having a great camp, Booty
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: being tradeable, and you trade Booty and you pivot to
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Kyle Williams, Like.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: That was the path.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: Now, it's hard to have a really good camp like
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: that when you don't get the opportunity to have it right.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: And it's not the Kyle Williams and Batty. She hasn't
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: been on the field.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: So the opportunity is not there. Because when you talk
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: about base receivers X or Z guys, you know, not
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: slots like base receivers, it's brown it's Dobbs, it's Booty,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: it's Hollands, and then it's Williams. So he has four
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: guys ahead of him Chisholm. Really, when you bring it down,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: Chisham only has one guy ahead of him. It's Pop
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: Douglas because that's their pure slot guys. Yeah, so he
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: only has one guy ahead of him. So when they're
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: running with ones and Pop is taking all the reps
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: with the ones, well, then when the twos come on
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: the field, then they're going to Chisholm, right like that, Dad,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: So those are Chishom's reps. When Kyle Williams, when the
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: ones are on the field and Brown and Dobbs and
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: Booty are getting all those reps, well, when the twos
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: get on the field, Mac Collins needs his reps. You know,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: that's when that that becomes more of a log jam, right.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that that's where the issue is
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: is that there's not these a ton of opportunities for
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: Kyle Williams because of all these veteran guys. So I
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: don't know what his path is. I heard I think
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: Zoe said this on one of your station shows, that
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: like you gotta start learning special teams so I will
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: say that big too, like return game.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: He he put on muscle like legit must I don't know.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: Did you see him yesterday? I did bigger. If he
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: has the frame to hold up returning kicks now, he
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: also has to. He has some issues last year with
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: actually fielding the kicks right, but that might. They don't
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: have a clear kick returner right now, so that might
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: really that would really help him.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: That's where it's gonna have to be because if he's
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: a one phase player only, Yeah, at least Chisholm can
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: return punts and may be kickoffs too. If he's a
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: one phase player, that really makes it even more dicey.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I wonder especially if he's now that he put
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: on that muscle, like, can he be a gunner?
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I think that's in place, speed for it.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if he can return kicks and be a gunner,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: that's a that's a solid role.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and be a speed guy you know in your
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: back pocket offensively fine? Next? Uh, next one here? Who's
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: your number two down?
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: My number two down? While I close the text, that was.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: I'll go with mine first. It's a Ken kendallvilldor I
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: mentioned it earlier. I just feel like he's gotten burn
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: a couple of times, and every time I feel like
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: he goes up a notch to like the starting receivers,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: you know, going up against the starters. Keijon Boody's beating
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: him a couple of times. I think that those that
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: competition right now. This is why I have Woods on
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: the ups and Vildor on the downs. I'm giving it,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: you're giving it to us.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, Namdi obi iSER just haven't seen him.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: It's a fair one.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: Haven't seen him. Feels like a position where there's snaps
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: to be one. It's been all Chad movement. kJ Bray.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: Do you have any idea I was talking with Brian
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: Hines on Patriots beat. I'm curious your thoughts. How are
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: we going to figure out? I mean, we'll figure it
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: out eventually, first preseason game prior to that because they
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: weren't the Guardian Caps, right, you know the stickers on him,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: who's the green dot Brat or Muma when they're both
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: on the field together. Have you noticed anything that might
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: indicate that.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: I believe it's it's been britt Okay. That's my my feeling,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: just based off of where he's playing to I see
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: him playing the splaying spot and as the true mic.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: You know, so I would say that he's probably the
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: one with the green dot. But it's a good question. Yeah,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: the the the linebacker depth along with the cornerback depth
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: is still TBD. There's a lot of kind of buzz
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: about Khalil Jacobs, but I haven't really noticed him. No
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: make plays in the spring. I did, he made a
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: He had a couple of pass breakups at the end
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: of the spring in mini camp. I haven't really noticed
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: that much as much as training camp. But you know,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: the two udfas I keep hearing about Arkadent Khalil Jacobs.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: So maybe Halil Jacobs, obiis Or was a six round pick.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: So it wasn't like obiis Or was a top one
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: hundred guy, is it. It's not crazy at all to
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: say that the UDFA ends up being better than the
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: six round pick. Like that happens all the time. So
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: maybe they ended up finding their probably more like the
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: Marte Mapu snaps than anything special teams mostly and really
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: like a reserve player on defense. Maybe that guy ends
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: up being killed Jacobs instead of Obi's. Maybe they're similar.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Last one for me, this is another one where it's like, well,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: if these people were good, then those people probably weren't
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: so good. First run of one on ones, I thought
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: the edge dressers really struggled across the board and this
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: is something that we're going to have to highlight all
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: camp long. And are they going to have enough pass
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: rush off the edge? I thought Draymond Jones and Elijah
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: Ponder struggled a little bit. I haven't seen it yet.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: I want to see it from Brandon Swinton because I
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: like what he said and I like the skill set
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: that he showed at LSU. I just haven't seen it.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: Really flashed too much yet. Ponder got free a couple
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: of times with scheme rushing team you know, stunts and
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: things like that, but true one on one pass rush.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: I thought the tackles held their own and all kind
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: of one those reps, especially the top guys. Maybe a
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: little bit of burst from Q Hutchins it's a little
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: bit of flash there, but that's his game. He's two
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: thirty two thirty five that he's a speed rusher type
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: of guy that should look good in one on ones.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: I want to see more from that group. Obviously, no Landry,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: no Acus like that. Those were two important people. Uh,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: you know who is not a big one on ones guy.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: Not that this matters one bit. Milton Williams like not
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: really like an in his bag one on one guy.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: Because I think his games just overpowering.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like he he doesn't win a whole lot one
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: on one.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: That's fine as long as he does it in the games.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: On the positive side, just to uh, because it made
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: me think of it, Vera Tucker looked phenomenal, Like Vera
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: Tucker looks.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: Hey, do you want to have this conversation. Let me
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: get my last one, then we'll have a conversation. Demetrius
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: crown Over. Yeah, Marcus Bryant's ahead of him, and I
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: think James Hudsons ahead of him, which.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Marcus pretty good. He had one really rough rep
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: in one on ones yesterday where he fell down.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: This is more just in terms of who's playing ahead
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: of whop, Yeah, Marcus Bryant right now. So the top
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: three are obviously Campbell Moses in Low Moon. In terms
• 1:13:18
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  Speaker 11: I make a good I make a shrimp scampy as
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  Speaker 11: as your kids would say, slaps. So I have three things,
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  Speaker 11: Three things I would just want to get your guys
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  Speaker 11: thoughts on first thing, I'm surprised nobody's talked about this
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  Speaker 11: over the first four days of camp. But I think
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  Speaker 11: these next three days, when they put pads on, I
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  Speaker 11: think we're going to see a different aj Brown. And
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  Speaker 11: I think we're going to see a more physical I
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  Speaker 11: think I just think the physicality. As the physicality ramps up,
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  Speaker 11: I think he's going to be a little bit more
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  Speaker 11: on I want to get your guys thoughts on that
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  Speaker 11: second thing, Eli Raridan, Can you guys can ask Claire
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  Speaker 11: this like he was on my list, like he was
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  Speaker 11: one of the tight ends that I absolutely loved coming
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  Speaker 11: out this past draft year. And another another thing, I
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  Speaker 11: think when the pads come on, I think if he's
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  Speaker 11: you guys kind of touched on it a little bit
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  Speaker 11: like I think Hunter Henry's. I don't think he's good
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  Speaker 11: or bad. I would call him a willing and capable blocker.
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  Speaker 11: If he's if he shows out like at the by
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  Speaker 11: the end of camp, that he's a little bit better
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  Speaker 11: than that. Can we put this, you know, getting another
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  Speaker 11: tight end, getting a veteran tight end to.
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  Speaker 5: Bed and.
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  Speaker 11: The last guy, Romeo Dobbs. I know he's been kind
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  Speaker 11: of polarizing as far as like him not really showing
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  Speaker 11: up so far, even though it's only four days. But
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  Speaker 11: do you guys have any worry that kind of like
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  Speaker 11: what we saw with John Hu in twenty twenty one
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  Speaker 11: and twenty twenty two, where he just really doesn't grasp
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  Speaker 11: the offense. And the one thing I hope we don't
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  Speaker 11: see this year is remember how kind of sloppy he
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  Speaker 11: made things look? John who I'm talking about. I kind
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  Speaker 11: of hope we don't see that with him, and I
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  Speaker 11: just hope something clicks. Do you guys have any worry
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  Speaker 11: about that? I'll take it off the air. Don't ever
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 11: apologize for keeping me on hold. I can listen to
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 11: you guys talk football forever.
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  Speaker 5: That's not God.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you to call it. Thatt a eyepriciated the name
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  Speaker 2: that that if you want to do this, and I
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: fully admit that this is way too early to put
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: this on him. Uh didn't the Patriot free agent signing
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  Speaker 2: of the past that comes to mind for me with
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: Romeo Dobbs. Worst case scenario is not John Whit's Juju
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  Speaker 2: so also a ja name. Yeah, very different situations like
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: Juju was declining health wise and things like that. I
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: don't I don't think we're there With Romeo Dobbs his
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: point about AJ Brown in the pass we made yesterday
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  Speaker 2: on the show on PU I think it's a great point.
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  Speaker 2: I meant to mention it when we were talking about it,
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  Speaker 2: and I totally forgot to. AJ Brown is a is
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: a physical specimen, like he is a physical power player.
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  Speaker 2: I don't you know. We got a call yesterday ask
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  Speaker 2: me if I I was like already kind of like
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  Speaker 2: ooing an eyeing over Diggs at this point. But Diggs
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  Speaker 2: was a great route runner, right like he was a
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: great separator and a great route runner. AJ Brown's got
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: a different skill set in a different type of game
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  Speaker 2: until the art really ramping up the physicality where he
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  Speaker 2: can use that. This is not he's not going to
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: be like a pajama party guy, right, He's not. He's
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: he's a Sundays guy like he's he's a football player.
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  Speaker 2: He's not a two hand touch right receiver. So I
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  Speaker 2: think that's that's a more than fair point. What did
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  Speaker 2: you think about the three things he said?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you with Dobbs, I think that that's
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  Speaker 1: the better comp would be Juju. But there is some
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: health stuff there I'm trying to remember what else he said. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I agree with AJ Brown and the pads that that
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: is probably some of it too, Like he just wants
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: to body guys and that's going to be his game.
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  Speaker 1: And I also think that's again I don't think it's
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: just them not being in pads. I do think that
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: him and Drake are still working to get on the
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: same page to some of that stuff. You have to
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: work with the contact being a part of it. So
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  Speaker 1: I think getting into pads the first few days of pads,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: it's going to be really important to see how his
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: chemistry with Drake make grows during that time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just you know, beating guys up at the line
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  Speaker 2: of scrimmage, you know, bumping guys off the top of
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: the route, like you're not going to do that in
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  Speaker 2: shorts and a T shirt the same way that you're
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: going to do that in pads. And then obviously with
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: AJ Brown that I probably existed even less with Diggs.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: The whole after the catch element is not something that
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: we're going to see as much in practice right when
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: they're not tackling to the ground. So big part of
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: his game is how hard he is to tackle well
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: you're not tackling. So he might catch a six yard
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: curl and turn that into a twenty six yard game,
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  Speaker 2: but you're not going to see that in a non
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: tackling setting, right, So we might not see that untill
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: Week one in Seattle.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I doubt we're going to see a j.
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  Speaker 1: Brown much of it all in the preseason, which is fine.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, tight end or are you? Are you ready
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: to put the the veteran tight end thing to bed
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: or I'm too not there yet.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: We haven't even seen the kids block.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: I mean maybe it's trending in that direction, but the
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: blocking is a huge part of it.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: Yep. Randy's in Providence. What's up, Randy? Randy going, what
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: all right? Call us back? Randy had on hold forever.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: Dominie's in New York. What's up, Dominique? Another one I
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: had on hold for too long? Dominique going once all right,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: Randy and Dominique give us a call back. We're doing calls, Todd?
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  Speaker 2: What's up somewhere? Where are you?
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 4: Todd?
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 5: We're kind of stuck between different places, so just immigration
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 5: stuff since we're all over the place.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I hope that that so you go. I
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: hope everything is all right, Todd.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 5: We're almost Intoxberry, but we don't know where we're going
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 5: to be right now, so it's one of those things. Anyway,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 5: what I've got a little bit of concern about is
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 5: our depth a linebacker, and concerning Dobbs, is A's gonna
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: be like Brown, like we need to wait till he
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 5: gets pas on really to evaluate him. Those are my
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: two points, and I just want to hear your thoughts
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 5: on that. Thanks guys.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, Todd. I agree, And that's what I said
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: with Brown. My concern level with Dobbs is just a
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: little bit higher because he's not a J. Brown, right, Yeah,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: you know that's all it is, is just the equity
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: of AJ Brown.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: J Brown showing what he can do when the lights come, right,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: Not that Dobbs have been bad, but he never at
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: a thousand yards season, right.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, we got a bunch of emails to Alex and
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: I think our callers might be calling back in. But
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: while we get them on the phone, I'll start with
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: this email. I've gotten inundated with questions about this. I'm
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: gonna answer this. We can answer this all at once.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: Matt Collins moving to tight end. Is this a thing
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: that could actually happen not happen. I've said it on Twitter,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: i said it on the show yesterday. To me, this
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: is semantics. I don't think it really matters whether or
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: not he's listed as a tight end or a wide receiver. Yeah,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: he's going to block the same people. He's gonna run
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: the same routes. He's gonna be in the same areas
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: of the field if he blocks a slot corner or
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: if he cracks the end on a toss, but he
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: has WR next to his name instead of TE or
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: TE instead of WR. It really does not matter.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. I think where some people come with
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: this take though, is like, well, then you don't need
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: to add another tight end. And hey, now maccollins counts
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: as a tight end, not a wide receiver, so they
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: can keep whoever the wide receiver people are arguing for,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: Kyle Williamson, Chishom, Kashan Booty, whoever mac Hollins cannot. Mac
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: Hollins is not a full time tight end in that sense. Yeah,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: Like there's a couple things one six, four, two twenty
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: one enormous for a receiver. Obviously, it's kind of undersize
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: for a tight end, especially a guy that you're counting
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: on a block, and in that vein, I think people miss, oh, well,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: he's a big tight he's a big wide receiver who's
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: a really good blocker for a wide receiver. Well, isn't
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: a big, good blocking wide receiver really just a tight
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: end In some sense, yes, but in a lot of
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: ways no. Mac hollins is really good at blocking. The
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: kind of assignments you ask a wide receiver to block,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: there's a big difference between we're gonna line you up
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: in the slot and you're gonna block this safety versus
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: you're gonna put your hand in the dirt right next
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: to the tackle and block a defensive end. Those are
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: two very different things. Mac collins is a very good
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: blocker for what he's asked to do, but it's not
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: the full list of what you're gonna ask a tight
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: end to do blocking. So I think the reason a
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: lot of people want to make mc collins a tight
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: end to make the numbers work at the wide receiver position.
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  Speaker 1: Keep on now it's not seven, Now it's six six,
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  Speaker 1: and you can find a way to keep six right. Well,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: now you're really short changing yourself. Right, if it's well, Okay, Tanner,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: we're gonna move on from Tanner Arkan because Mac Hollins
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: is such a good blocker, and mac Hollins is going
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: to be our blocking tight end. You're really short changing
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: yourself tight end. Now, that's nothing against mac Collins, it's
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: just a different position.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: He's a mac Collins already in a lot of ways.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: Is basically like a move or a joker tight end, right,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: And I like you said, he's six four, two d
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: and twenty pounds. Yeah, he's not going to put his
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: hand in the dirt and block a defensive end or
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: or a two hundred and fifty five two hundred and
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: sixty pound outside linebacker. That's not a matchup at the
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: Patriots won or that mc collins wants to smoke with, right,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: So that's not going to happen. Is he going to
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: be like a de facto blur the lines. I think
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: he already does that. I think that's what he does
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: at wide receiver. You know last year the Patriots autis
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: were like really three receiver heavy, but a lot of
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: their eleven or three receiver packages had mac Collins in them,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: and it kind of blurred the lines between twelve and
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: eleven because they had a guy like Mac Collins who
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: could do some tight end stuff. So at the end
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: of the day, I don't want to argue about it
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: because it's it's semantics, like it's literally like just what
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: position is listed next to his name? You know, the
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: emailer mentioned, I know we're all chasing this player for
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: the rest of the time because he was on the
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: football field, he was tremendous. Aaron Hernandez. He is nowhere
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: near as loose or fluid or quick as Aaron Hernandez was, right,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: and I and I think that I whenever that name
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: comes up, and he comes up often because we all
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: want another Gronk or another Hernandez, and I get it,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: so do we. But when her Nandez comes up, I
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: implore you to go watch how quick that dude was
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: for two hundred and fifty pounds, right. That is a rare,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: rare combination of quickness and size that Hernandez had that
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: nobody else, I don't know if anybody else, like maybe Kelsey,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: like Travis Kelcey that comes to mind as a guy
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: that touches that like prime Kelsey obviously, but to have
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: that level of eve and d and quickness that that
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: size is rare.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'll just say it again, like mac Hollins
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: can do some tight end stuff and that's great and
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: that's helpful. Keeping mac Hollins is one of your three
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: tight ends, I think is short changing yourself at the
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: tight end position.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: It's yeah.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: One emiler emailed it and said that you need to
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: swear more with Zo Lacti. Yeah, I to swetch up.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: So on the like post practice streams we do. Zoe
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: likes to swear, and then I'm supposed to swear to
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: but he he usually does more than me. His numbers
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: are usually higher than mine, so I guess I gotta
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: keep up with him.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: I get yelled at for swearing on here, so yeah.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: I can't swear. Actually, well that's kind of the.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: Bit because it's like a stream on YouTube, right, he's
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: allowed to swear. Yeah, obviously, I know you guys are
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: like relegated regulated all.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: Right, no, when we're just on YouTube weekend, So I
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: will I will try to be better about that, okay.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 8: Uh.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: Here is an email from Rick. We haven't really mentioned
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: this guy's name a ton, so he emailed in about
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: gay Bacchus. Can you recall a situation similar to Gay
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: Baccus where a player gets drafted and afterwards as disclosed
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: that he had an injury. No, I can recall a
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: million guys, Malcolm Mitchell, Sony, Michelle, Dominique Easley, go on
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: right down the line as I Dowling, Yeah, that had
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: injuries going into the draft. Now, I don't want to
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: be too critical because I don't know the exact answer.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: And I know Greg Bdard had some reporting on this
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: that no team was aware of this knee injury that.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: I came, Well, it sounds like is it a knee?
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: Obviously there's an injury, but it sounds more like the
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: issue is a surgery. So I I yeah, And I
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: guess Bedard said that nobody was aware of it, but
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: injury or the surgery of either of because the need
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: to have a surgery. What could have happened is a
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: specula right, yeah, Because I think there's two different conversations here.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: If he had a knee thing that the team saw
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: in the medicals and they were like, all right, well
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: that's there, but we're not super worried about it because
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: that happens all the time, right, you play even through
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: four years of college football, maybe guys not one hundred
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: percent healthy. But you look, he said, okay, this is
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: the thing with his knee whatever, it's not a big deal.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: But then he got surgery to repair it and the
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: teams thought it was fine. So now it's not necessarily
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: a knee injury. Don't you get what I'm saying? Like
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: that's different than just like, oh, hey, like he has
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: a ligament issue.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: So the question that I would ask, and I usually
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: and I don't know when it will happen. If it
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: does happen, we usually do get a chance to talk
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: to Elliott Wolf in the summer, so hopefully that does happen.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: Right in theory, you have the combine medical check.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: Now, the Patriots did not have him in for a
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: thirty visits.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: I think they did.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: They did, so it was a low moved they had
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: to cancel, right.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they didn't have they anything was like the
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: second week of April, so they had.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: Akis in for a Medica thirty visit. My understanding of
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: those thirty visits is that you do with your own
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: medical check during those thirty visits.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: That's a reason you do those where the own, the team.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: Doctors get your hands on the player.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: Right, So the combine medical check is the league does
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: it and the information is sent out to the teams.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: It's one they're not making these guys take thirty two physicals.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, so we can based off the reporting, you can
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: sit here and say, well, nobody caught it, and that's
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: that's valid. But you also didn't catch it, and that
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: would be my one criticism of this is like, this
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: is why you do these medical checks, like this is
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: why you host players that might have injury flags on
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: your board for thirty visits is to have these checks medically.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: So when they say nobody was aware of it, so
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: he went on X amount of thirty visits, he probably
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: went on ten, twelve, fifteen, whatever, you know. Usually it's
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: probably around the ten to twelve range. They try not
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: to overload them too much. You went on all these
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: thirty visits and all ten team doctors missed it too.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: Unless, again, is there a chance that because we don't
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: know when he had that surgery right, or the proceed.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: Sounds like procedure was between the pro day that he
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: had and the start of like the off season program.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: So could he have had it after the physical, but
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: before the draft. So my guess because then you didn't
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: miss it. Do you get what I'm saying.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: So that's the question that I think needs to be answered.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: And that would maybe explain why there were so many issues.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: Is you're like, that might would maybe explain why there's
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: issues with the contract as you went out and did
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: something that we weren't counting on, so we want to
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: address the contract accordingly.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: Or we're not communicated to us that you were doing.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: This right, which then it gets into a weird thing
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: of like, well he wasn't a patriot if it was
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: before the draft, then is it like he wasn't a
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: Patriot yet? Yes, So that's that defends it, like you
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: shouldn't get you shouldn't get a surgery in between, right,
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: the medical check and the draft.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: But so that's where the Mike Grease report about an
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: injury waiver, which on a rookie contract is extremely rare.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: Usually those happen with guys later on in their careers
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: when there's a known injury or non lingering issue. The
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: injury waiver on his rookie contract I think comes into
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: play because of that he had a procedure in between
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: his last thirty visits, slash his personal pro day and
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: the draft that teams were not aware of, right, and
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: that's how we got here. But so that would be
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: what a wild situation?
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 12: Yeah?
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: That so that would be where the team didn't miss it,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: but there was medical information that they weren't aware of. Correct, Right, All.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: Right, Randy is back. What's up? Randy?
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: Hey? How's it going? Guys? Worked better this time? It
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: completely dropped last time. My apologies. So I just a
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 4: couple of quick questions, flash thoughts, and then I'll pop
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 4: off and get you guys's thoughts. Uh, Cayden Wallace is
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: the name. I haven't heard it all. Is he even
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: still on the team? Is he going to make the roster?
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 4: You guys have any thoughts whatsoever about him? Pop Jugglas?
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: Like I hear his name a lot, but I feel
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 4: like he's a pads off guy, you know, like he's little,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 4: he's quick, he's those types of guys like often are
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: are great with the pads off, but then you know,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: you put on the pads and it's just not quite
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: as quick. So it's like, you know, they look good
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: at this time of year a lot. Did you guys
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: have any thoughts about Vita Vea, like great guy to
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 4: put next to Milton Williams. He used to have to
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: run Williams. Chase is the QB?
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 4: Could bar More in a pick get that done?
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 5: Maybe?
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know. And then like slightly longer thought on
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: the Booty Dowbs Brown thing, because you kind of got
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: the logjam there. You guys have outlined it very well
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 4: throughout the episode, right, And I feel like if you
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: took those three guys and you rated one through ten skill,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: team connections and chemistry with the quarterback, Dobbs would be
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: a distant third. And I honestly think if you included
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 4: Hollis in that, Doves might be fourth. So like you
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 4: guys would kind of say, like Brown and Doves aren't
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 4: going anywhere? Why couldn't Dobbs? Is there something I don't
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 4: I'm not a CBA like scholar or something is there?
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 6: Like?
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: Could they can they not trade him? Because the most
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 4: wide receiver needy team in the league right now, granted's
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 4: in our division, but the Dolphins, whose quarterback played with
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 4: Dobbs last year, there are other connections in the front office.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 4: Why wouldn't he be a guy that they think, like, listen,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: we signed him, we didn't know for sure we were
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: going to get aj we did, and Dobbs moves to second,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 4: but hey, Booty looks great, So now he kind of
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 4: becomes expendable. I mean, it's quick, and you don't want
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 4: to make crack. This is signing guys and then trading
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 4: him right away. But you don't often have situations like
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 4: this either, So you know, why do you think he's
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 4: safe in your mind? Why couldn't he be the guy
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 4: that's expendable in the whole equation? And it kind of
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: opened things up a little bit.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: You known as July twenty ninth, were already getting questions
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: about trading Romeo.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of the impact there. I think he
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: answered his own question. Yeah, you don't want to get
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: into a number of reasons. You don't want to get
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: into a habit of signing guys to big free agent
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: contracts and then trading them.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: If you trade Romeo, Dobbs six would less than six
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: months after signing him to a they signed him in March.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: Was the total value contract seventy million dollar contract. Yeah,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: good luck signing any for agent for the next three years.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you you are a terrible press, completely.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: Poisoning the brand you are also taking on. Not only
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: is there dead money on his contract, the dead money
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: actually exceeds the cap hit, So you lose twenty six
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: million dollars in cap space this year, which I don't
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: think they have, and then another eight million dollars the
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: year after that, So financially it's a major blow.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I can't.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: You can't. There's an just because he's a good player.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: Like, let's give him some time, guys. Yeah, let's give
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: him some time to figure it out and get up
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: the speed. The biggest thing to me, I mean, like
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: the money obviously is a huge factor at any move
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: and any decision in the NFL or Pro sports, but
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: the precedent that that sets, that you're willing to sign
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: a guy and then immediately trade him is just a
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: no go from the jump. Like you said, good luck
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: attracting free agents moving forward.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: If you're gonna do that, sign your own guys.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: If we're having this conversation a year from now with
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: Romeo Dobbs, sure maybe that's a different situation and we
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: can get into that quick. Vita vea take.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, I love him here. They need a
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: nose tackle, they need a guy who can stop the run.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: He can obviously do more than that. He'd be a
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: good veteran leader. The reporting is he wants to go
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: to the West Coast.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: I also don't know, you know with Gonzales in May,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: like are the Patriots bringing on another big contract because
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: he wants an extension. So this isn't just like a
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: one year move. You bring them in, you're gonna have
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: to pay pay them a thirty one year old. Yeah,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: thirty one year old. So I mean, like, if we're
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: building a team in Madden for one year, certainly I
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: love it. Logistically, I don't know that it makes a
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: ton of sense if you're going to give up and
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have to give something significant to get them,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: at that point, i'd go call teams about edge rusher.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: If you're gonna give up, can you get like and
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I know this has kind of gone quiet.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: So he mentioned Barmore? Right, would you rather trade Barmore
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: at this point for Vidavey or Josh.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: Sweat Vidavea, Okay, it's a better player.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: I guess who would the edge rusher equivalent of that.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: Vitave is really good.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: Vitave is really good.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: It's like a top five defensive tackle in football. But
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: he's thirty one. He wants a new contract. I tweeted
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: this out before the show. I did a little well, actually,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: you know, Evan's plaining. I'm sorry. I try to not
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: to that. I couldn't help myself.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: The Patriots last year, they do have a three four,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: you know, five man front in their in their wheelbox,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: in their toolbox, I should say, got caught in between
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: two things there in their toolbox. But that really is
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: a chiris tanga thirty three percent of the snaps kind
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: of thing. Like in theory. I guess they could be
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: a five man front if they get a guy like
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: Vidave and you put him in the middle of Milton
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: Williams and Christian Barmore. But that's a part time role
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: in their current scheme. It's a twenty five percent if
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: you want to go off of five man fronts. It's
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: thirty three percent if you want to go off of
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: Tonga last year. But remember Milton Williams got hurt and
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: Tonga played a lot of the Milton Williams things, So
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: like there's a little bit of gray area there. Let's
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: call it twenty five to thirty percent of the snaps
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: they would play, they would have a role for a
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: true three four nose tackle. So without that role, like
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: you have three guys, so someone's gonna be on the
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: sideline as well. So he mentions trading bar more So,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: I guess if you Barre is in the trade. But
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't love that.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: I just I don't know if the Bucks want Barmore.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: They have Elijah Kantsi, who is kind of a similar player.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: You're trying to plug a different role, Like, yeah, you know,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: does their defensive scheme facilitate having two of those guys
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: on the field a lot at the same.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: Time, right, Like if you're in if you're a big mask,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know, if you're a big four man front
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: team like the Patriots are, they're about in a four
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: man front about sixty five percent of the time. If
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: you're a big four man front team, then it just
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: it's just Matt, you only have two defensive tackles on
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: the field, right, So someone if you have a three
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: man rotation of Vea Barmore, Williams don't get me wrong.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: That's one of the best interior rotations in football, maybe
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: be best. But someone's on the sideline, someone's not playing
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: a lot, and I guess.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: That's just the argument would be like, well, you keep
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: everybody fresh. But it's one of those things like the
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: bell checkism, right, it's about collecting talent, or it's not
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: about collecting talent, it's about building a team. Yeah, adding
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: Vida is more just collecting talent. I don't know how
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: much he totally found. I'm sure they'd find things from
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: to do, but for what you're gonna have to give up,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: I think those resources could be better elsewhere.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: The reason why the last thing on the Veya thing,
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: the reason why Corey Durden is the Tonga in house replacement,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: is because they're not thinking that Corey Durden's going to
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: play sixty five seventy percent of the snaps. They're thinking
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: that Corey Durden is going to play thirty five percent
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: of the snaps. You're not trading for vite Vea, signing
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: him to the extension that he wants to be extended
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: where it's gonna be twenty plus million dollars maybe more
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: a year, and then playing him thirty five percent of
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: the snaps like that, that's not gonna happen. And you're
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: also not going to play Millan Williams the most of
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: any player on the team and take him off the field,
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: or Christian Barmore who's also up there. It's just a
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: lot of resources allocated at one spot without a role
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: to like sort of bring it on now. He's a
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: great player. And if the rumors are that he wants
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: to go to the West coast.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: Like have him go out west, like all you know
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: where he's gonna go the Rams. He's gonna go to
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: the Rams, who are also I'm in on this and
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: there's no inside information here, but they're getting Aaron Donald back, Like,
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: come on, he's been at the right, he's been at
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: the facility McAfee talking about he's.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: Like Garrett Donald veya I don't remember exactly, Byron Young
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: Young still there because they have Fist, they have Kobe Turner.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: Those are inside.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: Here's their front. Here's their front, Yeah, Fisk, Kobe Turner,
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: Byron Young, Yeah, obviously, Miles Garrett. They also have Poona
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: Ford who's a good player.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: Good run stuffer. Yeah, Tim Keenan another run stuffer.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: Vita Vea and Aaron Donald to that, I mean just
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: to three down, it'll.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: Be Garrett, it would be Garrett Donald, Veya Young.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, what do you do? Well?
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: We don't have to worry about to the Super Bowl. Als.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: It's fine.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: We should probably start trying to figure that out now,
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: though I don't think that's if you could figure out,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: in all honesty, In all honesty.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: Put one of the advanced scouts side.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: I just want to put your football mind to the
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: test here. Forget the yeah, we'll put We'll put Vitava
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: in it. Just Vita Vea, Miles Garrett and uh and
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: Donald and Donald?
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: Run? Who do you like?
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: How would you scheme that up?
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 11: Run?
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: Drake run?
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: You just got just constant rollouts.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: Just move the pocket man, just moving away from Miles
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: Garrett and away from that side of it.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: You're just going to roll towards Byron Young in fist consistently.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: Get Vera moving side to side.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: Do you almost just run like a ton of Reid option.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: I'm just getting Vitavera and Byron Young and at the
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: point of attack, and I am doing nothing with Donald
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: and Miles Garrett.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: But what if they put Donald and Garrett on separate sides,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: because that's what I would do.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not putting, I'm running it. I don't know now
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: I'm in trouble.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: That's what I would I would have Garrett Yeah, Fisk,
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: yeah old. The reason why without Via, Garrett Fisk, Donald
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: Young is how I would line it up.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: So where's Veya playing?
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, even without Via, But then I guess, Garrett,
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: what would that be Garrett thea Donald Young?
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I was thinking more yeah, yeah, that could work
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: because you want you want Miles Garrett on on the backside.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: Right, and then maybe on third downs I put Garrett
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: and Donald next to each other and just completely unlea shell.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to worry about that right now,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: worry about that And.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: I left tackles in that division. Trent Williams with Darian Loewis,
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: Harris Campbell's not bad, all right? I I I the
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: last thing on this. I do the via Vea stuff aside.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: I do want Aaron Donald to come back. I want
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: to see Aaron Donald and Miles Garrett together. How can
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: you not as a fan of the sport, because they
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: just want to see what There's.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: Still a piece of me that wants the Patriots to
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: win the super Bowl.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: Obviously and have terrified, No, nobody's gonna win any games
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: if that's the case.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: But for every all thirty one other teams are going
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: oh and seventeen in the Rams, just get a.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: Who's their DC again? Chris Sula? Yes, match if they
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: still had Wade Phillips. Well, Christil is a pretty good
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: You don't want to see, do you think at that point,
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: without much talent, Sean McVay maybe pops his head in
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: the defense meetings and says, Chris is.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: Like he's going to be a head coach. Some is, yeah,
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: he's good.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: But with that much talent, Sean McVay being the football
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: BRAINIACI is, you think he starts popping the defensive meetings
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: a little bit and being like, I kind of want
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: to toy around with this. I want to get in
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: the lab on this.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: Maybe, but I think he would be smarter to just
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: let Chris Shula do his thing.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: I just want to I'm curious. I want to see it.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: I want to see what it looks like.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: I'm good. All right, Dominique's in New York. What's up, Dominique?
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 12: Hey, what's up?
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: Doing good?
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: Hey, good listen.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 12: I'm with them on this one. I do not want
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 12: to see Males Garrett and Aaron Doll get back together
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 12: that or just together in general. That's Hardably, what two
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 12: of the top ten defensive players of all time is
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 12: is You're just running the league at that point defensively,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 12: and it.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 5: Is what it is.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 4: So but if he does come back, we'll be watching.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 12: That's part time.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 5: So really quick.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 12: I had a thought, and this kind of goes back
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 12: to the point where we're touching you guys were touching
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 12: on with the linebackers, and I'm a little concerned with
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 12: the depth, right. I think we had a great draft.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 12: You can't address everything in one draft, right, So I'm
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 12: glad we short up the line when they're heading down
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 12: to the edge rusher. But I was really hoping that
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 12: we could have gotten more of a you know, a
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 12: Mike you know linebacker middle linebackers, whether it would have
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 12: been like Anthony Junior, I believe, the Jacob Arbrigaz what
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 12: have you. But I am kind of concerned with our depth,
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 12: especially knowing that if Robert Spilang goes down, that doesn't
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 12: really impact the defense. So I'm wondering what are some
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 12: of the skill sets that you feel you'll be looking
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 12: for with the linebackers in this training camp. Are there
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 12: different schemes that we can kind of cover that depth?
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 12: I know we may not have a third safety, but
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 12: are there ways you get a lot of athleticism on
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 12: the field or are there different looks or different guys
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 12: that can float around just to kind of protect that actually,
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 12: can you know, play the run, play the pass, et cetera,
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 12: et cetera, And yeah, maybe who would the guys that
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 12: you're hoping that pop based on that and can in
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 12: trivia hopefully meaningfully this season and then last the two
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 12: never met at the wide receiver situation. We used to
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 12: have Jujus Smith, Chile, Davon Baker and folks, I'm glad
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 12: we have more talent than us, right, So that means
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 12: keeping Romeo, Kay, Sean aj and whoever the means rossing
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 12: potentially seven find But it's a great position to be
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 12: in and I'll take it any day of you know,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 12: any day of the league compared to like a couple
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 12: of years ago.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I'll take it off one thanks Dominate that
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: has good stuff. Yeah, the linebacker spot I think is fair.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: The linebacker depth. You know what do I want to see?
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: I think it's twofold for me. kJ Britt. Is he
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: a one for one for Jack Gibbons, Like if roberts
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: Plain gets hurt again like he did at the end
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: of last year. Jack Gibbons wasn't great, but wasn't terrible.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: It is serviceable in that spot. Does kJ Britt give
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: you enough of that third linebacker where you know he
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: can fill in for three four games, you know, a
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: stretch of games and you don't lose too much with
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: roberts Plain being banged up. I think that's a big one.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: And then you mentioned the two young guys, ear Obizor
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: or Khalil Jacobs. Can one of those guys pop. It
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: does feel like a spot where they kind of, you know,
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: maybe punted a little bit to next off season on
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: inside linebacker. I don't know if this is what it is. Analytically,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: it's not a very valuable position anymore. Maybe they feel
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: like it's not a real needle mover. So we have Spallane,
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: we have Ls. We like that tandem together will be
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: okay for one more season with those two guys, but
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: we'll see on that. So I think that that's a
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: spot that hopefully we get into next offseason and we're
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: starting to talk about them drafting for depth, you know,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: drafting depth that linebacker, corner, maybe safety at that point,
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: you know, places like that that that we're talking a
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: little bit more about, not needing to draft an edge
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: rusher high because they just need a guy that can play,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: not needing to draft a left tackle high because they
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: just need a left tackle. We're getting there. We're getting
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: there slowly but surely, a lot of calls coming in.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: This is Eddie in New York. What's up, Eddie?
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 5: Eddie?
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: Eddie going once? All right, give us a call back.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: Kendall's in North Carolina. Let's up, Kendall. Oh maybe so
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: those lines are lines? Yeah? Mark is in Connecticut. What's
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: up Mark?
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 10: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 12: As always, I was at.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 10: Training camp on Sunday. I was trying to get a hold.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 5: Of you guys, but never was able to.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 4: So that's all right.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 10: Hey, Eli, Reardon looked really, really smooth. I'm really excited
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 10: to see him with the pads on and see if
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 10: he can actually move some guys. And the other the
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 10: other thing is, is there actually a possibility that they
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 10: actually keep all seven wide receivers because obviously I like
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 10: Fton Chisholm, and I like Kyle Williams because he was
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 10: a third round you know pick last year, so and
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 10: and the other the other.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 5: Five are really really good and are solid.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 10: So is there actually a possibility of keeping seven? Have
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 10: they ever done that before or do they normally only
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 10: keep six?
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Thanks for the call mark as always, Sorry fun
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: didn't they keep like eight last year initially? So there's
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: a big difference, and I think this is important. There's
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: a big difference between what you keep initially and what
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: you actually keep. Right, So, in theory, they could go
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: through roster cutdowns with all seven guys on the roster
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: because they don't want to risk putting ft and Chishem
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: on waivers or Kyle Williams on waivers. You know, Matt
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: Collins wouldn't go on waivers. So if you're looking for
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: a surprise cut, it might be like a guy like
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: Matt Collins who they actually plan on bringing back on
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: the practice squad and then finding opening for him because
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: he doesn't have to pass through waivers. But at the
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: end of the day, like do you go into week
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: one with seven wide receivers on your roster or is
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: there another move that you're waiting to make and you
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: just want to protect all seven of them.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: They kept eight last year, Yeah, and that lasted about
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: thirteen Yeah, so could they keep to your point? Could
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: they keep seven and then you find a trade partner? Yeah,
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: they do something with with maccollins or whatever. Sure, I
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: don't know if mac collen's going to go for that.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: I think he'd leave some money on the table if
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: he did that. But yeah, they're not gonna have seven
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: wide receivers on their week one roster. I would be
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: very surprised if that ended up being the case.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: All Right, eight more minutes to go on the show.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: There's one other thing I wanted to mention that I
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: caught my eye right before the show started. Ted winn fell,
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: a ball nooer fellow film Junkie had a really good
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: UH ranking of the offensive play callers in the NFL
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: Top ten play callers. He kind of did what Jeremy
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: Fowler does. He went around to a bunch of defensive
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: coordinators and pulled the defensive coordinators on their opponents on
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: their the play callers. So it's play callers not coordinators.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: So the head coaches are in here, right, So it's
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: not just OC's, it's offensive mind, offensive play callers, offensive architects,
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: offensive mind. Sure, so no surprise here my boys. Number one,
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: I do think it's a little bit of no surprise.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: I do think it's a little bit of Kyle Shanahan.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: I would.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: I can't say it should be McVeigh.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: Mcvay's number two.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, but like you wouldn't be you would be surprised
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: if McVeigh was ahead of Shanahan.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised. I think mcvay's maybe a better
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: head coach and Kyle shan and Kyle Shanahan is a
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: better offensive architect, and maybe those are two different things.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: I guess maybe I give it to McVeigh. He just
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: said his quarterback when MVP.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: He did, I give it to m his quarterback's really good.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: Number two is McVay. Number three is Ben Johnson, another
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: one of my guys. Number four is Matt Lafleur with
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: the Green Bay Packers. Again, separate the play caller from
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: the head coach. I guess, yeah, Okay, this one surprised
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: me pretty high. Liam Cone number five with the Jaguars.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: I thought that was a little I think I.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: Kind of creative last year. I might even had it
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: fam ahead of the flour.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: This one, to me, you know, sometimes the Oscars give
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: out like a Best Actor for as a lifetime Achievement award.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: Andy Reid at number six, to me is a little
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: bit of a lifetime achievement award. That offense last year
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: was not good, but maybe they're saying it was, you know,
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: collective work. Yeah, and like you know, they had some
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: injuries and you know, their talent wasn't great and all
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. Number seven underrated play caller, but
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: I think maybe a little higher or than the guy
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: at number eight, Shane Steichen with the Colts. Really good,
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: really good RPO. Now somebody's starting to follow number eight.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: Josh McDaniel too far down with the New England Patriots.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: So that's why I brought this up. Josh comes in
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: at number eight. A couple of notable things. Let me
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: finish the top ten and then I'll get to Josh's
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: right up. Number nine. The new head coach of the
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: Las Vegas Raiders whore just the Patriots in the Super Bowl.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: Clint Kubiak, Number nine, and number ten another one of
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: my boys, Mike McDaniel with the Chargers. So Josh McDaniels
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: at number eight. A couple of things from the blurb
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: or the right up that I thought were interesting or
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: stood out. The first one was, well, first of all,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: he did receive a first place vote, so somebody thinks
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: he's the best play caller in football. Some of the
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: one defensive coordinator at least thinks that some also did
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: not have him ranked. So yeah, it was a wide
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: sort of variety.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: Is this kind of what happened with Drake May in
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: the Yes, yes, but.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: There is a NFL defensive coordinator that thinks that Josh
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: McDaniels is the best player.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: Who did they like really pants last year?
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: They really pants a lot of I know, but who
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: got it? Who got it?
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: Like really bad? Trying to remember?
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  Speaker 2: So a couple of things here while while you're trying
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  Speaker 2: to remember that.
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  Speaker 1: It was Aaron Glenn, do we think was Aaron Glenn?
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  Speaker 2: Could have been one head coach. This was a head coach.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not just DC's There are some head coaches involved.
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  Speaker 2: To one head coach pointed out his you know Belichicknis,
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  Speaker 2: you know his ability so I love this quote his
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  Speaker 2: ability to call the game to win the game, not
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  Speaker 2: to put up the most points or the most style points.
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  Speaker 1: So the exact quote is I feel like Josh, and
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  Speaker 1: it's the Bill Belichick influence. He calls the game to
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  Speaker 1: win the game. He doesn't necessarily call the game to
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  Speaker 1: have the best offense. I give him a lot of
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  Speaker 1: credit for that. That's what I think some of those
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  Speaker 1: guys at the top of the list do not do.
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  Speaker 1: That is the difference to me between Josh McDaniels and
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  Speaker 1: those Shaneyhan guys. And by the way, there's nothing wrong
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  Speaker 1: with that. Does he leave some metrics, whether it's literal
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: points and yards or some advanced metrics on the table, maybe, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: maybe he does. But he's just trying to go out
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  Speaker 1: and win the game. And that's where the game plan
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  Speaker 1: offense comes in. And you know, one week this guy's
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  Speaker 1: heavily featured, another week you don't see him at all
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  Speaker 1: because he's hunting the matchups. That should be a rare trait.
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  Speaker 1: That should be the bit if I were hiring either
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  Speaker 1: side of the ball a coach to call plays, that
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  Speaker 1: would be the bare minimum for me. Yeah, Like, do
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  Speaker 1: you care about the numbers yes or no, and the
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  Speaker 1: answer should be no.
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  Speaker 2: Care about the wins, right, you know, we have to
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  Speaker 2: pass it fifty times or we have to run it
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  Speaker 2: fifty times, we're gonna win the game where we need.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy that's become a rare trait, but
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  Speaker 1: it's maybe Josh McDaniel's best trait.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that one and the other one that
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  Speaker 2: I thought was really interesting. A defensive coordinator also noted
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: that Shanahan and this is Ted Riding, Shanahan and McVeigh
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: have relatively easy third and long drop back concepts to
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: prepare for, whereas McDaniel's drop back menu is much more
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: comprehensive and harder to defend. I think that that's a
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  Speaker 2: really really good point. I think McDaniels has a lot
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: more variety, and a lot of that is because of
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: all the conversions of the routes that are within the scheme,
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  Speaker 2: But in general, I think that their third down drop
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: back game has a lot more variety within it than
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: the Shanahan and McVeigh tree. Right, and so number eight.
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  Speaker 2: I think that the reason why I brought it up
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: is just because it's Patriots, but also because I do
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  Speaker 2: think that there's still maybe a smaller ground swell after
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: last year. But I still think that there's a group
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: of people that, for some reason just think jud Josh
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: McDaniels is not a good play caller and not a
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 2: good offensive coordinator. So this is people in the league,
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: people he goes up against on a weekly basis, telling
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: you that he's a top ten play caller in football.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: There's thirty two teams and he's number eight, So he's
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: in the top fourth of the league in play callers,
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: up there with all of my guys. So the shanahan's,
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: the mcveigh's, the Ben Johnson's, he's right up there. So
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: the Patriots offense in real can I just have this too?
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  Speaker 1: So after that quote about he doesn't necessarily call the
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: game to have the best offense, a head coach said that, yes,
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: so Ted follows up. Coaches universally agreed with the notion
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: that McDaniel's hauling games to win them. He understands situational football,
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: and that's not always the case with some elite play callers.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: That is such I cannot for years I've been yelling this.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: It can't help yourself here are because here is here's
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: NFL coaches saying, if you're somebody who's out on McDaniels
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: because their son of w oo motion r pos, we're
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: gonna put the left tackle in motion. And that right
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  Speaker 1: there the situational element of it that these other guys
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: still can't do and frankly don't seem interested in learning's
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: such at is such a I didn't see this quote
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: until right now. Is such an advantage for the Patriots
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: that McDaniel's understanding of situational football. It shouldn't be anybody
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: who's calling plays in the NFL should understand situational football,
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: but they don't. That is such a major event for
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: the Patriots. Do not sleep on that.
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  Speaker 2: This is not college football where there's a committee that
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: decides who the twelve best teams are and they go
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: into a playoffs. Right, this is the NFL where wins
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: and losses is what decides who makes the playoffs.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: I thought, this isn't college football where the coaches don't
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: understand the situation.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: But this isn't the BCS. Right, We're not grading teams
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: on style points. Just win, baby, that's all that matters.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: So Patriots offense and good hands next week, we'll be
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: back on Catch twenty two. There is practice on Wednesday
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: next week from ten to eleven thirty when it's scheduled,
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: probably later, so we'll probably be a little later in
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 2: the day on that day, but it is a walk through,
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: so hopefully not too much later in the day, but
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: we'll keep you updated on that. I think we said
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: two thirty maybe as a tip time, so maybe around
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 2: two thirty ish, so we'll keep you updated. Just bear
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: with us the live show because we do have training
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: camp at alex and I need to cover and need
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: to report on, so there's a lot of moving parts
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: during the training camp time of year. Patriots Unfiltered hopefully
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: tomorrow during practice if we don't get rained out and
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: moved inside, So we'll keep you updated on Patriots dot
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: Com with that as well. But we'll be back this
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: show next week on Wednesday. We be a little bit
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: later on in the afternoon. We'll see you guys. Then.
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