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The Next Round: Alabama-Mississippi State Upset Alert? Todd Fuhrman’s Week 5 Picks | Hour 2 · The Next Round

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  Speaker 3: I am doing well, gentlemen.
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  Speaker 4: A little bit disappointed that you guys will not be
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  Speaker 4: in Starkville for the big game between Alabama and Mississippi
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  Speaker 4: State tomorrow for as much time as both of you
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  Speaker 4: have spent.
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  Speaker 3: On the road, allowing LT to hold things down at
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  Speaker 3: the home base.
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  Speaker 5: Have you guys been road warriors?
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  Speaker 2: Well, we have been. I mean, we've done two straight
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  Speaker 2: Friday shows on the road. Yeah, Tuscaloosa and Auburn.
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  Speaker 6: I was in Tuscaloosa.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, next week. Next week on the road, too.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's going to be a high-scoring game. Now,
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  Speaker 2: weather looks like it's going to be okay. Maybe just
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  Speaker 2: one small chance of rain in the game. So I
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  Speaker 2: think weather is going to be okay. If weather is okay,
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  Speaker 2: do you expect a bit of a track meet in
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  Speaker 2: this game?
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  Speaker 7: I do.
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  Speaker 4: I think both these teams are more than capable of
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  Speaker 4: playing from a negative game state, knowing what we have
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  Speaker 4: seen from them so far this year. Big plays have
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  Speaker 4: been very much a part of Alabama's arsenal. I do
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  Speaker 4: worry a little bit about the Tide's slow starts, but
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  Speaker 4: they've found another gear. in each of these contests after halftime.
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  Speaker 4: So even if they were to find themselves behind the
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  Speaker 4: eight ball early in the game, I don't think it
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  Speaker 4: would be a problem. I don't think Mississippi State's defense
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  Speaker 4: provides that much in the way of resistance. And on
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  Speaker 4: the other side, we've seen Mississippi State, I mean, go
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  Speaker 4: through stretches where they can't necessarily get on track, but
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  Speaker 4: then find their sea legs, so to speak, like they
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  Speaker 4: did in the fourth quarter last week against Missouri, erasing
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  Speaker 4: a 24-17 deficit and coming back. I think Kamario Taylor
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  Speaker 4: is going to test this Alabama defense defensively. And I
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  Speaker 4: have no problem with folks looking to try and make
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  Speaker 4: a case to go over the total. In terms of
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  Speaker 4: the side, though, if it got to seven, I would
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  Speaker 4: be forced to kind of value bet Mississippi State.
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  Speaker 3: Thankfully, we're not there yet.
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  Speaker 4: And I hope that number never shows up in the market,
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  Speaker 4: let alone with our friends at Hard Rock Bet.
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  Speaker 5: Any flyer on a live dog Mississippi State plus 180
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  Speaker 5: on Moneyline?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I do think it's a high-variance game, so
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  Speaker 4: if you believe Mississippi State has a puncher's chance, it
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  Speaker 4: makes a little bit more sense, in my opinion, than
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  Speaker 4: taking the points. Because in this game, no outcome would
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  Speaker 4: really surprise me. If Alabama won the game by 14
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  Speaker 4: to 17 points and Mississippi State couldn't keep up, or
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  Speaker 4: if Kamario Taylor gets white-hot, Keelan Russell struggles a bit
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  Speaker 4: in this particular venue, and who knows exactly what we're
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  Speaker 4: going to get from Alabama. I know you guys have
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  Speaker 4: a lot more familiarity in terms of the travel arrangements
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  Speaker 4: around But I found it this day and age a
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  Speaker 4: little bit surprising, even in Starkville, when they don't have
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  Speaker 4: those kind of accommodations, that the team will be on
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  Speaker 4: a bus ride at the crack of dawn to get
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  Speaker 4: there in time for kickoff with that noon Eastern start.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would just tell you in college football, most
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  Speaker 1: people stay in these small towns in the South about 55,
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  Speaker 1: 45 minutes to an hour away from the stadium. So
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  Speaker 1: it's not that big of a drive with police escorts.
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  Speaker 1: It's only 85 miles stadium to stadium.
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  Speaker 2: And many travel teams, many teams that are playing at-state
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  Speaker 2: have started staying in Tuscaloosa. So a lot of other
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  Speaker 2: SEC teams are actually making this drive. And nobody says
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  Speaker 2: anything about it because, you know, it's... This has turned
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  Speaker 2: into a bigger story national than it is local because
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  Speaker 2: it's a common thing.
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  Speaker 4: I was going to say, I mean, poking around a
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  Speaker 4: little bit on it, it sounded like this is something
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  Speaker 4: that isn't that uncommon, just a little bit unusual with
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  Speaker 4: a team electing to do this.
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  Speaker 3: But maybe done away with your deep pockets, you should.
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  Speaker 4: Build a nice four-star resort in Starkville that SEC road
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  Speaker 4: fans can take advantage of.
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  Speaker 2: Only four stars.
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  Speaker 3: For those six or seven Bulldog home games each weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what are we going to do with the
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  Speaker 1: fifth star? Yeah, only four stars for Dunaway?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, look, let's be honest here, guys. We don't
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  Speaker 4: need to build a church for Easter Sunday in Starkville.
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  Speaker 4: We don't need a five-star resort.
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  Speaker 6: Baby steps.
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  Speaker 4: Unless LT wants to own and operate a sportsbook there,
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  Speaker 4: maybe put a few slot machines in there and figure
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  Speaker 4: out ways that you can generate a little bit of
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  Speaker 4: revenue for 359 other days when Mississippi State doesn't have
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  Speaker 4: a home football game.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people are talking about this game as
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  Speaker 1: two potential dark horse Heisman candidates. Where are you in
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  Speaker 1: the Heisman race and where does Keelan and Camario factor in?
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  Speaker 4: Well, Camario Taylor is an interesting case because coming into
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  Speaker 4: the year, he was a guy from a raw talent
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  Speaker 4: perspective that made a ton of sense at 125-1. But
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  Speaker 4: at the same time, you wondered if Mississippi State was
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  Speaker 4: going to win enough football games to allow him to
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  Speaker 4: be very much in the discussion. State has started the
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  Speaker 4: season exceptionally well, and that's part of why his number
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  Speaker 4: is as low as 11-1 at some of the national
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  Speaker 4: books that are out there. But then you look at
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  Speaker 4: who State has to play, not just this Saturday against Alabama,
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  Speaker 4: but going forward, and you wonder what kind of video
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  Speaker 4: game-like numbers he'd have to put forth if Jeff Lebby's
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  Speaker 4: bunch only finishes 8-4. Keelan Russell, on the other hand,
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  Speaker 4: you guys know exactly where I fell on that side
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  Speaker 4: of things. Alabama fans told me I was nuts. during
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  Speaker 4: the month of August saying that they weren't even sure
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  Speaker 4: he was going to be the starting quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: He's answered the bell and then some.
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  Speaker 4: There are, of course, going to be plenty of proven
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  Speaker 4: opportunities this week being one. And if Russell can continue
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  Speaker 4: to put up some of those crooked numbers, he will
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  Speaker 4: have an opportunity to fully throw his hat in the
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  Speaker 4: ring next week as a short home underdog where Alabama
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  Speaker 4: projects right around a field goal dog against Georgia should
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  Speaker 4: both teams maintain the status quo this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Columbia, Missouri, Furman, feels like a great place to find
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  Speaker 2: an upset, except for the fact that Missouri never wins
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  Speaker 2: these types of games under Eli Drinkwitz. That's the problem, right?
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  Speaker 2: Florida would seem primed for getting upset here if it
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  Speaker 2: were somewhere other than maybe Columbia, Missouri.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the rank numbers are a little bit staggering,
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  Speaker 4: but at the same time, hard to ignore how good
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  Speaker 4: Coach Drink has actually been as a home underdog. I
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  Speaker 4: believe it last checked 10-4 against the numbers, so a
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  Speaker 4: role where they've actually thrived a bit. Clearly, this Missouri offense,
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  Speaker 4: when it comes to creating balance, really misses the tackle-breaking
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  Speaker 4: abilities of Ahmad Hardy, Jamal Roberts, a nice running back,
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  Speaker 4: but nowhere near as dynamic. This is the Austin Simmons
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  Speaker 4: experience that Ole Miss fans saw in a limited sample size.
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  Speaker 4: There are stretches where this guy looks the part, you
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  Speaker 4: think he's going to be a top five quarterback in
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  Speaker 4: the league, and then he puts together drives where he
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  Speaker 4: almost goes colorblind and throws to opposing defensive backs, and
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  Speaker 4: you keep your fingers crossed that those DBs don't take
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  Speaker 4: advantage of the turnover-worthy plays. We've seen this kind of
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  Speaker 4: scenario play out time and time again where Florida stock
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  Speaker 4: is at the top of the market. You wonder if
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  Speaker 4: they're able to run it back and put together a
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  Speaker 4: complete 60 minutes after going on the road to beat
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  Speaker 4: Auburn at Jordan-Hare as a short road favorite there. Of course,
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  Speaker 4: putting together a complete effort last week against Ole Miss.
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  Speaker 4: And I think the one thing for me that really
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  Speaker 4: stood out is every time it looked like Ole Miss
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  Speaker 4: was going to get back in that game, Florida had
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  Speaker 4: an answer. And now here we go into sleepy old Columbia, Missouri.
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  Speaker 4: to see if the Tigers can right some of the
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  Speaker 4: wrongs at this point. If the number continues to leak out,
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  Speaker 4: I'm more and more intrigued to try and back the
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  Speaker 4: dog here. I know sometimes the X's and O's don't
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  Speaker 4: line up, but I still think this Florida defense has
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  Speaker 4: a lot of questions that have to be answered, especially
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  Speaker 4: in hostile territory. But where I did get involved in
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  Speaker 4: this contest was going over the total at 56. I
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  Speaker 4: think we're at 57, 57 and a half. Last check
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  Speaker 4: at Hard Rock Bet. Still feel comfortable going over that number.
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  Speaker 4: I think there are a variety of ways that we
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  Speaker 4: can see this game turn into a bit of a
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  Speaker 4: track meet.
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  Speaker 5: Much like Eli Drinkwit's really good in that spot, so
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  Speaker 5: is Kirk Ferentz in Iowa. They haven't lost as a
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  Speaker 5: home dog since 2022, at least against the number. They're
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  Speaker 5: catching 14. I think you back Michigan as I did
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  Speaker 5: last week. I just can't believe that outcome. Michigan, two
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  Speaker 5: times the team that Iowa was, and they lose that game.
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  Speaker 5: I'm trying to figure this out. I want to lay
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  Speaker 5: the 14, but in Iowa City, that is a lot
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  Speaker 5: of points to a defense that hasn't given up over
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  Speaker 5: 20 points all year.
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  Speaker 4: That might be the most Iowa game by Iowa standards
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  Speaker 4: that we've seen over the last.
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  Speaker 3: Couple of years.
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  Speaker 4: You look at Bill Connolly's postgame win expectancy. Iowa finished
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  Speaker 4: that with a robust 7%, which I think was Dunaway's
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  Speaker 4: attendance record when he was an undergrad back in the day.
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  Speaker 3: When you look at this Iowa team, though, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: they can't run the football well.
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  Speaker 4: There's not much in the way of big play potential
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  Speaker 4: when it comes to throwing it either. I have no
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  Speaker 4: idea how they keep this game competitive other than if
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  Speaker 4: there is Kinnick voodoo on full display with a couple
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  Speaker 4: of special team scores, a couple of poor throws from
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  Speaker 4: Julian saying, and Ryan day has mentioned what this game
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  Speaker 4: was when he went in there and got absolutely embarrassed
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  Speaker 4: as Ohio state's offensive coordinator. I think the Buckeyes just
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  Speaker 4: too much firepower. Iowa had the football gods smiling kindly
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  Speaker 4: upon them last week as they wanted to extract their
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  Speaker 4: pound of flesh from Michigan, who shouldn't have had the
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  Speaker 4: win week one against Western Michigan.
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  Speaker 3: But LT, you watch that game like I did.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Iowa going 91 yards in the two-minute drill,
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  Speaker 4: I feel like hasn't happened since Brad Banks was the quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: And then Iowa's second touchdown they scored in the game.
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  Speaker 4: On third nine, ball gets deflected. The receiver looked like
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  Speaker 4: he was having some Gatorade with the cheerleaders 20 yards
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  Speaker 4: off the field. Comes back on the field, reestablishes, and
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  Speaker 4: Iowa scores. The worst part of that for me, guys,
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  Speaker 4: I was laying four and a half on the close
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  Speaker 4: as well. At 19-14, I thought I was going to
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  Speaker 4: steal one. Apparently, the gambling gods had very different expectations
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  Speaker 4: for me Saturday afternoon at the big house.
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  Speaker 1: What's crazy is Iowa made Bryce Underwood look like a
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  Speaker 1: good passer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's hard to do.
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  Speaker 3: Done away.
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  Speaker 4: I think that is probably the biggest storyline coming out
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  Speaker 4: of that game. It was the most complete effort we've
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  Speaker 4: seen from Bryce Underwood, not just this season, maybe since
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  Speaker 4: taking over as the Michigan quarterback. He had a pair
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  Speaker 4: of receivers go for more than 100 yards. I know
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  Speaker 4: Iowa is going to have a better defensive game plan.
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  Speaker 4: At least I'd like to think for Jeremiah Smith in Illinois,
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  Speaker 4: who had just hoped that, you know, maybe Julian Saini
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  Speaker 4: gets sick and tired of throwing to him. But that's
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  Speaker 4: where I wonder if Iowa's defense can even slow down
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  Speaker 4: the Buckeyes if they start to play downhill. My number
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  Speaker 4: on this game closer to 16, so under two touchdowns,
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  Speaker 4: as scary as it is to do, the only way
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  Speaker 4: to look at 13.5 or better would be backing the
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  Speaker 4: road favorite here.
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  Speaker 1: Auburn and Tennessee used to play each other a lot,
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  Speaker 1: and they played each other occasionally. in Birmingham at Legion
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  Speaker 1: Field it would be like a neutral site game if
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  Speaker 1: you will so to speak but they're back in Neyland
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  Speaker 1: Stadium this weekend can you make a case for Auburn
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  Speaker 1: as a live dog on the road with Tennessee coming
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  Speaker 1: off that battle with number one Texas.
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  Speaker 4: Auburn would be the only side that I could play
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  Speaker 4: in this game, mainly because I have so many concerns
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  Speaker 4: about this Tennessee team offensively. I mean, Faison Brandon looked
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  Speaker 4: like the moment was a little too big for him
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  Speaker 4: against the Texas defense. Josh Heupel, pretty critical of his quarterback,
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  Speaker 4: saying the reads were there. He just has to kind
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  Speaker 4: of grip it and rip it. My word's not his.
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  Speaker 4: But so much of this Tennessee offense over the years,
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  Speaker 4: when you look at where they're at their absolute best defensively,
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  Speaker 4: It's when the ground game gets going and then you
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  Speaker 4: can work with one-on-one matchups on the outside because Tennessee
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  Speaker 4: doesn't have elite wide receivers on this current construction of
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  Speaker 4: the roster. And I think for Auburn, they're going to
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  Speaker 4: be very comfortable along that defensive line, knowing that Tennessee
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  Speaker 4: won't have Wendell Moe amongst others to try and provide
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  Speaker 4: some of that blocking that they'll need to get the
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  Speaker 4: ground game going. My big concern for Auburn is what
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  Speaker 4: we're going to get from this team offensively because I
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  Speaker 4: think Tennessee's defense has been a little bit of an
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  Speaker 4: underrated storyline defensively. so far this year. But when you're
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  Speaker 4: looking at this number right at a full touchdown, I
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  Speaker 4: would love a seven and a half if it popped.
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  Speaker 4: I want no part of expecting Tennessee to win a
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  Speaker 4: game by margin. The only measuring stick game we have
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  Speaker 4: for the Vols so far this season was their win
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  Speaker 4: at Georgia Tech. And that's a W that's not really
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  Speaker 4: holding up as Tech continues to take on water themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Todd Furman is on social media. Todd Furman, Sporting State host,
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  Speaker 2: podcast right there at Sporting State. Miami visits Clemson Saturday night,
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  Speaker 2: and the only, I mean, there's probably few, if any,
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  Speaker 2: matchups that would favor Clemson, individual matchups in this game.
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  Speaker 2: The only thing that would favor Clemson in this game, Furman,
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  Speaker 2: is Miami's probably played in front of 50,000 combined fans
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  Speaker 2: all season, and they'll have almost double that Saturday night.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's really the only thing you could say
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  Speaker 2: that might favor Clemson.
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  Speaker 4: You were telling me that it wasn't a hot ticket
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  Speaker 4: last week when Miami welcomed in the juggernaut of Central
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  Speaker 4: Michigan and people weren't trying to leave Collins Boulevard to
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  Speaker 4: get out there to Hard Rock Stadium and take in
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  Speaker 4: the Hurricanes in all of their glory. This is a
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  Speaker 4: Miami team right now offensively that is humming on all cylinders.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the connection that Darian Mensah has with Malachi
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  Speaker 4: Toney has really been fun to watch for an impartial observer.
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  Speaker 4: But it's also hard to ignore the fact that Miami
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  Speaker 4: is still banged up in their defensive backfield, down two
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  Speaker 4: of their top projected corners.
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  Speaker 3: Coming into the year.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just not sure Clemson can throw the football enough
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  Speaker 4: and really test these guys. You look at what Tate
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  Speaker 4: Reynolds did last Friday night on the road at Cal,
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  Speaker 4: and it wasn't exactly something that is going to be
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  Speaker 4: hung in the College Football Hall of Fame by any
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  Speaker 4: stretch of the imagination. But I do think Clemson's DBs
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  Speaker 4: are going to give Miami a little bit more resistance
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  Speaker 4: than what we've seen. It's one of the biggest underdog
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  Speaker 4: tags that we have seen for Clemson, let alone a
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  Speaker 4: home underdog role. So I'm sure they'll take the us
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  Speaker 4: against the world mentality. We could have a little bit
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  Speaker 4: of weather playing a role in the forecast here. I
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  Speaker 4: lean under the total, but quite frankly, it's not a
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  Speaker 4: game that I'm kind of running to bet. It will
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  Speaker 4: be good to see Miami get a little bit of
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  Speaker 4: a test, and we'll see if this Clemson team can
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  Speaker 4: at least put together a more competitive effort than what
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  Speaker 4: we saw week one when they took on a star-studded
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  Speaker 4: team in LSU and were absolutely eviscerated, albeit on the
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  Speaker 4: road in Baton Rouge instead of in their own building.
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  Speaker 5: Furman Texas Tech is 4-0 and they're number 12 nationally,
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  Speaker 5: but they just don't look the same.
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  Speaker 6: Will Hammonds already.
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  Speaker 5: Got five picks. He leads the Big 12 in that category.
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  Speaker 5: Now they go to Colorado, who will be starting Isaac Wilson,
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  Speaker 5: former Utah transfer. The Buffaloes, not a good team. This
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  Speaker 5: seems like without even seeing Isaac Wilson, an upgrade over
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  Speaker 5: Juju Lewis. 13.5 also on the road seems like a
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  Speaker 5: lot of points.
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  Speaker 4: This Tech team, I kind of joked on social media, LT,
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  Speaker 4: watching their first half against Sam Houston State, said they'd
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  Speaker 4: be about a 50-point underdog against last year's edition of
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  Speaker 4: Texas Tech. Of course, being facetious in that particular comparison.
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  Speaker 4: But Will Hammond and this Texas Tech offense has left
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  Speaker 4: an awful lot to be desired. And there are some
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  Speaker 4: major red flags around the group. If they can't run it,
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  Speaker 4: can they do enough in the passing game? You need
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  Speaker 4: to be semi-balanced when you're going on the conference road
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  Speaker 4: to Folsom Field to win this game and do so
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  Speaker 4: by margin.
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: Colorado's, though, isn't a team that I'm really running to back.
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: You mentioned Isaac Wilson being an upgrade, I think, by
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: default over Juju Lewis and some of the struggles we've seen,
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: which For me, it always calls into question the four-
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: and five-star ratings that a lot of these kids get
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: because I'm not sure Juju should be a glorified two-star
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: given his inability to test opposing defenses downfield. There are
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: going to be opportunities for us to make money betting
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: against Texas Tech.
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: I'm just not sure this is the week I want
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: to do it.
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: What is interesting, though, about the Big 12 pecking order,
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, Tech came into the year kind of as
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: odds-on favorites. It's right around minus $ 1. 05 at Hard Rock Bet.
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: That number has now drifted out to plus $ 1. 70 as
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: both BYU and Utah have shortened the gap. And quietly,
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: old Oklahoma State, after losing their season opener to Tulsa,
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: has very much inserted their name into this discussion. We've
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: seen that number come crashing down into that 12-1, 15-1 range.
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: And I think there are a number of teams that
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: are capable of pushing Texas Tech more so than a
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: lot of us believe coming into the season.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: People are talking upset in Starkville. People are talking upset
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: in Columbia, Missouri. What about the other Columbia? Columbia, South Carolina.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Here goes now nationally ranked Kentucky into playing a Gamecock
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: team that, frankly, at times looks like they quit on
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: plays in Tuscaloosa. What do you make of Kentucky and
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: South Carolina?
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: These are some of the hardest games to try and
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: handicap because I think there is such a wide range
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: of outcomes. And what I mean there is that if
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: you believe that South Carolina has quit, the number's not
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: going to matter. You're back in Kentucky on the money
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: line here in this spot. If you think South Carolina
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: hasn't thrown in the towel on the season, I mean,
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: I use this term and I rarely do.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: This number's a joke.
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: When you consider that coming into the year, South Carolina
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: A & M for me were separated by about four
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: and a half to five points in terms of power ratings.
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: Kentucky went on the road to A & M. Of course,
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: they won that game outright, but they were catching 17.5
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: in that game. We've seen what A & M is
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: over the last couple of weeks. Now, here's South Carolina
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: on the heels of having lost to Mississippi State, having
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: lost to Alabama, laying right around a field goal. Guys,
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: the last two quarterbacks they faced are Kamario Taylor and
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: Keelan Russell. No disrespect to Kenny Minchey, but this is
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: a major step down in class, and you wonder if
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: the on-field shenanigans between Dylan Stewart and Shane Beamer galvanizes
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: the group or continues to fracture them at the seams.
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: I see it as an ultimate buy-low opportunity for South Carolina,
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: a chance to salvage their season. But I am fully
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: aware that if South Carolina goes out there and looks flat,
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: they could very well lose this game by 7 to
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: 10 points, if not more. But I think from a
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: numbers standpoint... I'm nowhere close to this. I'm more in
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: line with South Carolina being a six and a half,
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: seven point favorite.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: So it's a bet that I've made, not one that
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: I'm thrilled about.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: And I'm very cognizant of the fact that Kentucky could
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: beat South Carolina if the Gamecocks don't want to be
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: there Saturday afternoon.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: To the NFL with Todd Furman at Todd Furman on
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: social media. He's with us and you can find his
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: work at Sporting State as well. Kind of a different
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: angle on this question, Furman, but the Chargers 0-3 at
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks 2-1 Sunday. If the Chargers fall to 0-4,
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: do you have the numbers, like the percentages in this
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: world of the playoffs, on their odds of even making
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: it to the postseason?
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: I don't in front of me, but I'm going to
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: confidently say it's under about 3% even with the expanded
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: schedule getting out to 17 games. You'll hear the stats
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: plenty of times this week about teams that are 0-3
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: and how difficult the road it is to try and
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: get into the postseason and the Chargers schedule for those
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: folks who have taken a peek. I mean, there's no
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: respite anywhere on there for them until maybe week 8
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: or week 9. Last week, they forced 5 turnovers, finished
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: that game plus 4 in turnover margin, and still can't
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: cover as a seven to a seven and a half
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: point underdog. This Chargers offense desperately seeking an offensive identity
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: that they haven't been able to found. And that was
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: with a very good performance from their defense. I mean,
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: their D-line made life a heck of a lot more
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: difficult for Josh Allen than it's been. This game opened
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: six and a half at hard rock bat. We're now
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: out to a full touchdown. And the Seahawks, for me,
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: were one of those unlucky losers last week. I know
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: what the scoreboard said last But dig into the underlying metrics.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: Look at the yards per play. Look at the success rates.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: And the Seahawks actually put together a top 10 profile
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: in terms of overall offensive performance. They were just done
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: in by turnovers and timely miscues. I think the Seahawks
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: defensive line eats here. And the only way for me
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: to look would be backing the favorite. And I wouldn't
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: be shocked at all, guys, if the Chargers were 0-6
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: going into their bye week and some major changes on
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: the horizon for a team. that had postseason aspirations coming
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: into the year.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: Another winless team, the Texans host the Cowboys, three and
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: a half point favorites here. Texans not only 0-3, 0-3
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: against the number, just still seem like a much better
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: team than the Cowboys.
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: Where are you on Cowboys-Texans?
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: Positive injury news this week for the Houston Texans. Should
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: have the services of Nico Collins back in the fold.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: And what's interesting, when you look at the Houston Texans,
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: for CJ Stroud, I mean, when he targets receivers not
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: named Nico Collins, 7.7 yards per attempt, that number improves
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: about three full yards when Nico is out there with
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: an ability to kind of stretch defenses. and takes a
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: lot more pressure off a ground game that really couldn't
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: get on track last week in their 1917 loss against
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: the Indianapolis Colts. This Texans defense, though, most likely going
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: to be down a key component in Aziz Al-Shayer. And
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: a lot of folks around that franchise have said his
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: impact defensively is as big as the offense not having
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: Nico Collins. So that may raise some concerns there. I
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: laid a little bit of Texans money line right around
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: that $ 1.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: 50 price tag.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: I do think desperation will force their hand a bit.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: They can make the Cowboys slightly one-dimensional. But D'Amico Rodgers,
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: in-game adjustments and in-game clock management leaves a lot to
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: be desired. I was borderline floored with the way that
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: he handled the final minute to a minute and 10
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: seconds against the Colts last week. But I do think
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: Houston finds a way to win Dallas in an unenviable
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: travel spot, returning from Rio and being forced out on
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: the road for the second straight week.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: That's a tough situation there. Hey, two things. One, on
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: the game in Vegas, KC and Las Vegas, both unbeaten. One,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Brown says there'll be more Chiefs fans there than Raiders fans.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: And secondly, that's a skinny looking number. What do you
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: make of the game?
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: Under normal circumstances, I would agree with Brownie, but there
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: is actual buzz out here that people are excited about
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: what the Raiders have been able to do during their
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: 3-0 start, beating Brownie's Dolphins.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Week 1 doesn't really count. It was an extension of
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: the preseason.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: But being able to upset the Chargers right around a
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: touchdown underdog week.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: 2 and then going down to New Orleans... and being.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: Buoyed by a four-turnover outburst, so to speak, in the
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: fourth quarter, that there's reason to believe this Raiders team
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: can be competitive.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: For me, I remain a little bit more skeptical.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: I think defensively, there's still plenty of questions they have
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: to answer, and the Chiefs are really figuring out what
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: their new under-center identity looks like with Kenneth Walker, and
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes much more comfortable with a familiar OC in
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: Eric Biennemi.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: I think the market is pretty fair here.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: I made it in that five-and-a-half range, but you're talking
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: about dead numbers where they sit as a four-and-a-half point favorite.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: So fun game. I'm very curious to see how both
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: these teams perform. But one that I don't think anybody
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: anticipated would be for first place in the AFC West
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: when the schedule was announced week four at Allegiant Stadium
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: between the Raiders and Chiefs.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Well, let's say you lived in a city that had
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: an NFL game like the Chiefs and Raiders, but also
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: a NASCAR race in the playoffs. Would you choose the
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: NASCAR race or the NFL game?
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like right now Kyle Larson has
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: regained his swagger and suddenly trying to put a little
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: distance between him and the field after that long, windless drought.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: I actually did poke around Dunaway, and this is going
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: to sound somewhat embarrassing. I have not been to an
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: NFL regular season game. since the Raiders moved out here.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: So it has been a while since I've been in
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: a building, but I will actually be changing that a
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: week from Monday. I'm going to see LT's beloved Rams
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: on Monday Night Football against the Buffalo Bills.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Going to make the day trip to see a little
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford, Josh Allen.
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: You ought to fly out there and join him.
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: How do you feel about the Rams on the road
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: laying two and a half right now in Philadelphia?
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: This is a scary spot for the Rams.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: And that I'm kicking myself for not laying the two early.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: I know you said two and a half number actually
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: out to three and a half with the news that
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: there's no Devante Smith for the Eagles.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: And so much of that passing game goes through him.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts. I mean, you watch the all 22 footage.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, Mikhail Lemon looked like he was streaking down
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: the middle of field multiple times and Hurts just wouldn't.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Get him the ball in space.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: So it is a dangerous spot, Philadelphia, a little bit
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: of a wounded animal coming off of that blowout, embarrassing
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: loss on Monday Night Football against the Bears. But I
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: also think the Rams can take the us-against-the-world mentality, knowing
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: that they had a 26-7 lead the last time they
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: were in this building, and one of the worst bad
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: beats that you're going to see in the NFL with
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: that blocked field goal as time expired. So I can't
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: get to the Rams as a 3.5-point favorite here. I
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: don't think there's any reason to panic here. about their
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: slow start to the season, especially with Puka coming back
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: into the fold.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: But it should be a fun game, and.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: I couldn't really make a compelling case to back the
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: Eagles either. I think there are some real issues with
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: that team, both on the offensive side and defensively as
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: well right now.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: All right, he is at Todd Furman on social media.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Under the radar pick, Furman. People love it.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Give us one for College Football Saturday that flies under
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: the radar.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: You know, let everybody down. I take shots at you
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: guys all the time. And an esteemed host alma mater
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: made me eat a little bit of crow with my
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: middle Tennessee bet. Plus the seven against the Gamecocks there
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: in Conference USA play. Let's find a, we'll give you
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: a side and a total. We'll look at UTEP and
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: New Mexico, a game that I'm sure will get top
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: billing against Major League Baseball playoff games and some of
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: the marquees in that Dunaway man cave of his. These
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: are two of the slowest teams in college football. UTEP
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: has really struggled to figure out their offensive identity. New
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: Mexico is comfortable playing in a rock fight, and while
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: I believe they'll rip off a couple of explosives, my
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: numbers make this total 45. I am more than happy
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: to go under the 48.5. that's currently available at Hard
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: Rock Bad. And Boise State laying a bit of a
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: big number. I know it's come off of the key
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: at 21, but I still think there's some wiggle room
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: as a 20-point favorite. I'm going to take Utah State.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: I like what I've seen from this Aggies team defensively.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: Offense can be a little bit of a challenge, but
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: I feel like this game will be competitive. Boise in
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: a real weird travel spot having been out in Kalamazoo
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: last week. I think they win. I'm not sure they
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: do so that comfortably. So I'll take Utah State plus
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: the 20 and we'll go under the total in UTEP
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: New Mexico at 48 and a half.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Do they pull San Diego State off the board out
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: there because of the mump epidemic?
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: They haven't, but this number keeps flying up. And you
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: know what?
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: Let's see how far it's gone because Texas State opened
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: in this contest as right around a four-point favorite. San
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Diego State, of course, embarrassed last week against Toledo. We
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: are now looking at Texas State with our friends at
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  Speaker 4: Hard Rock Bet now out to an eight-and-a-half-point favorite, 57-and-a-half
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: the total. We know there is that outbreak. We know
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: their players are going to miss. We don't have a
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: list of names. I wonder how far this continues to
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: run before you're forced into betting the Aztecs you know,
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: maybe as a 10, 10 and a half point dog
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: against G.J. Kinney's Texas State Bobcats.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Have you ever adjusted a line because of the mumps?
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Is this the first time in your career this has happened?
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: You know what? Have not.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: But I did have to get in a little bit
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: of the virology thing during COVID when we weren't sure
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: which college players were going to be available Saturday morning.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: When they were going to be down some guys and
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: you look at the injury reports and a team has
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: like 37 dudes that didn't travel and you scramble to
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: do everything you can to figure out, all right, what's
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: it mean when you're down not just your starting right
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: and left tackle but you're basically down to number five
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: can even put a number on it and a similar
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: situation to a lesser extent unfolding with the Aztecs uh
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: within their conference opener against Texas State.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: All right at Todd Furman on social media all his
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: work sport and state.com sport and state.com Furman thank you
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: very much for the time always good to see you my.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Friend Always a pleasure, gentlemen. Enjoy the great games this weekend.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: All right, buddy. You too. Todd Furman with us on
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  Speaker 2: the show.
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  Speaker 1: the NASCAR race? He hit Kyle Larson. That's all he
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  Speaker 1: and then we'll start bouncing around a couple other headlines
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  Speaker 1: for you as well. But if I asked you, Lance,
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  Speaker 1: five biggest games left in this season off the top
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  Speaker 1: of your head, I don't think we have one this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Now, would you say biggest like?
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  Speaker 1: In the regular season, don't count SEC Big Ten champions.
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  Speaker 6: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying would you say biggest like this is going
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  Speaker 2: to impact the playoffs or biggest like these name brands
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  Speaker 2: getting together?
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I don't think Ohio State and Michigan
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: is going to make the top five on my list
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: right now. No, because Michigan is going to be out
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  Speaker 1: of the playoffs.
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: But I would say this, and again, we can't look forward.
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  Speaker 5: We don't have a crystal ball. But if Mississippi State
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: and or Iowa wins, those might become some of the
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: biggest games in college football left.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: And for instance, next week, Alabama-Georgia. Bama wins this week.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: I would normally make the case that the Alabama-Georgia winner
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: is a top four seed, except for the fact that
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: there is a chance they have to play again in
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: the SEC championship, which would make that one the top
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: four seed.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: The first one I throw out there is Ohio State-Indiana,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: because I don't know how much Indiana gets tested before
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: that game. You know what I'm saying?
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but if Indiana wins that game, Jim, now Ohio
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: State does have two losses. And all of a sudden,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: a game like Michigan... You trip up in one of those,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: and you're out of the playoffs. And Ohio State not
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: making a 14-team field, or a 12-team field.
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: Excuse me. That would be a big story. That would
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: be a big story.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: But, Brown, obviously there's downside to every one of these games.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I'm saying right now the five biggest games out there.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Ohio State and Indiana is a huge game, right?
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: I was helping your case. Forget the outcome of the game.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Ohio State-Indiana is huge. Now, we knew that would be everybody's.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: What's next? Because going into the year, we had LSU-Ole
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Miss circled.
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: Can I offer up, if Florida survives this week, October 17th,
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: Florida at Texas.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Or the cocktail party.
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: Which one? Which one's bigger?
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, all of a sudden, every game Florida wins,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: that becomes a bigger game down the road. Texas and
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Georgia being the two biggest brands in the SEC right now,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: other than Alabama, both of those become huge games.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you an interesting one, too, just because Notre
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: Dame plays nobody, but they've got to go to Provo
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: in two weeks. And I think BYU's got a little
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: scare coming up tomorrow in Fort Worth. But if BYU survives,
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: you know, the Holy War is one of those games
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: you could look at. You heard Furman talk about, you know,
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: they're right there in the mix to win the Big 12,
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: both Utah and BYU.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: October 17th for that one, yeah.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: But there is an early number already. Notre Dame, a
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: 10-point favorite on the road at BYU. No kick time yet.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, Notre Dame-Miami is obviously still the biggest game remaining,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: probably for either one of those two. So you would
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: go Notre Dame-Miami over Ohio State-Indiana?
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Well, here's why.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Maybe so, yeah.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Well, here's why. Notre Dame, help me remember this, and
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry to have to ask this. Notre Dame can
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: now get a bye, right?
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: No. I don't know.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: They can if they're top four, yeah.
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: They can be in the top four and get a bye.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not asking it legitimately. There was a moment where
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: they couldn't get the top four bye, but they can now.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: You can make a case Notre Dame-Miami is for a
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: top four bye. I mean, if Notre Dame wins it,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know how Notre Dame avoids getting a top four.
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: Well, unless they lose in Provo.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: That would be a problem there, yes.
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: By the way, Indiana favored over Ohio State in two weeks.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute. Can't be the case.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Indiana is currently favored over Ohio State. So in two weeks,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: is that October 17th as well?
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there's some really good games.
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: So just real quick, because I pulled this. Florida at Texas. Auburn, Georgia,
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: for whatever that's worth. Notre Dame at BYU.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, this is October 17th.
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: Ohio State at Indiana. Alabama at Tennessee. Missouri at Ole Miss.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: Mississippi State at LSU. Oklahoma State at Houston. Nebraska, this
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: could be a story at Oregon if Nebraska continues to win.
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: I mean, there's some really good games. I was planning
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: on going to this Alabama-Tennessee game. I'm not sure now.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Because of the TV sleep? Yeah. It's funny.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I thought about that last night because you guys will
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: be in Knoxville anchoring part of the show there. And
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: I was like, LT is going to go to the game,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: and this is going to be, because somebody wrote a headline,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: one of the best Saturdays this year, October 17th. And
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: when I saw Alabama-Tennessee, I was like, Lance is going
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: to miss this TV weekend.
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: No, we've got a really cool cabin.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: It's actually in the mountains up in Gatlinburg, which is
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: I think about a 40-minute drive because I did this
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: last time a.
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: Couple years ago.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Multiple TVs or one?
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: That's going to be a deciding factor because I'll be
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: there as well.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: We've got to see what the TV layout is. But
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: if it's a really good TV layout, I've got no.
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: Problem with it.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: We could bring a TV.
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: We could do that. We've got a couple around here.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: We've got some around here that we could transport for sure.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: But bourbon and a cabin watching all those games? Sounds
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: like a pretty good Saturday.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: They're worse ways to spend a Saturday.
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: Yep.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: By the way, I don't imagine. So you're telling me
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Ohio State's a dog in Bloomington. I don't imagine.
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: One and a half total of 48 and a half.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: Bama favored in Knoxville, by the way, one and a half.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, I don't imagine that Ohio
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: State number will meet our threshold, but I will start
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: drawing the Ohio State logo right now if it dies
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: for upset alert. There is no chance. Come on, man.
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: But imagine, I mean, back to your original question, if
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: Mississippi State and Iowa both win tomorrow, I mean, you
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: could get a really good two-team parlay money line on
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: that thing.
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: I don't think it's going to happen. But if it did,
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: things change quickly.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Well, if Mississippi State beats Alabama, all of a sudden
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: they're in this discussion for one of the many games
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: that they play, like Mississippi State-Texas or someone like that.
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: Well, you don't think Iowa would be in that discussion?
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. I mean, for biggest remaining games. I
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: don't know who Iowa has remaining. I haven't looked at
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: their schedule, but I know State's going to play Texas.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're going to play some games that could
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: be in this discussion.
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: Believe it or not.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: I mean, Des Moines sports talk this morning has probably
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: gone through this, but if Iowa does win that game.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: It's not a Brown-Sirius-XM dial.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not yet. They don't have Des Moines yet. I
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: was listening to Boomer and Geo on the way in.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: They're not going to play another ranked team this year.
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: So Iowa could still lose this game.
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: No. They could be 11. I mean, 11-1 in the
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: Big Ten, they're going to get in. A hundred percent.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: We do not need Iowa in a playoff. Give me
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: some potential losses.
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: At Washington.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: That's a potential loss.
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: At Minnesota.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: They're not going to go through this. First of all,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: they're going to lose tomorrow. And then secondly.
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: Wisconsin at home, at Northwestern, Purdue at home, at Illinois
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: and Nebraska.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: With that offense, they just can't survive.
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: I'm just saying they will not play another ranked team.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: They can't survive that, Jim. If they lose this weekend.
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: Let me ask you this.
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: If they lost 55-3 and they go 11-1. They lose
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: 55-3 tomorrow, but they're 11-1.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: This committee is, even though they've added last week a
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: new criteria where they would take in strength of schedule,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: put more emphasis on that, they say. they've yet to
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: show us that they do anything but look at the standings,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: wins and losses.
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: That's right.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: And so 11-1 would still resonate.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: As we always go back to in this discussion, Lance,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: who owns the college football playoff?
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Big Ten and SEC.
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: So there's your answer.
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: Can you imagine, though, at 11-1, if they didn't get in,
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: the likes of Joel Klatt and Danny Cannell saying, can
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: you imagine an 11-1 SEC team not getting in?
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: It would never happen.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: You absolutely can't. Because the SEC's No, they are now.
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: I disagreed in the offseason, but the way this first
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: month has played out, there is no doubt the SEC
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: is a better conference.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: You can't do a team like, I like State. Let's
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: say something goes crazy and Alabama wins 41-0 Saturday. State's
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: still going to play some good teams. Iowa's not going
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: to play anybody.
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they're not.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: Their best win, obviously, was the Michigan win, but outside
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: of that, it was a three-point win over Iowa State.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Right now, Michigan's a helmet win. I mean, I don't
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: know how good that team is.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: It's a great helmet.
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you're right.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: At the end of the year, it might be 8-4,
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: and they might not have a ranked win. Isn't it
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: funny we don't talk about Ole Miss anymore? Yeah, it's
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: almost like they died. It's great for Pete Golding. I mean,
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: he knew he wasn't going undefeated. I mean, do they
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: even play this weekend?
• 35:54
  Speaker 8: They don't.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: They don't.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: They've got to buy to show you how little we're.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Paying attention to.
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: I mean, they're still a top 10 team.
• 36:00
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: One loss.
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: But we'll be talking about them.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: They've got the same thing every SEC team has. It's
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: like I can give you four or five games that
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: they can lose from here on.
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't be shocked if they go 10-2, though,
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: looking at the schedule.
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• 37:55
  Speaker 1: A game so good it's not even the big noon kickoff.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: It's 2.30 on CBS Ohio State on the road at Iowa.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Here's Kirk Ferentz on chasing perfection against the Buckeyes.
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: It'll be great to be on KennedyCon Saturday. We'll have
• 38:09
  Speaker 8: a great crowd out there, that's for sure. A lot
• 38:11
  Speaker 8: of interest and excitement in town, all that stuff. It's
• 38:14
  Speaker 8: all good for everybody. That's what's great about college football.
• 38:18
  Speaker 8: The key for us is to really do our best
• 38:20
  Speaker 8: to get ready between now and then because, as I mentioned,
• 38:22
  Speaker 8: we've got our hands full. It's going to take a
• 38:24
  Speaker 8: perfect game, basically, for us.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: First, Forrester's microphone, please. Forrester, right now on a scale
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: of there's 138 coaches. You try to pull sound for
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: most of them. How many of them in 2026 still
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: wear a tie to the news conference?
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: Him.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: That's the only one I've seen.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: He might be the only one.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, he looked like he was getting ready to
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: lead the music, you know, for the closing hymn.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: The last one to do it in my career was
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Gene Stallings.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: That's the last guy you've seen wear a tie?
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: There were some days he didn't do it, but he'd
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: wear the ties on game day.
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: Mike Nolan. Mike Nolan.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: I didn't cover Mike, but I do remember Mike Nolan.
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: That was such a weird look.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I'm racking my brain.
• 39:10
  Speaker 9: I don't recall seeing any coach that I've pulled a
• 39:13
  Speaker 9: sound bite from this year.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: So weird seeing him in a tie during a news conference.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Scott, not that we do a lot of P.J. Fleck
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: news conferences, but he plays the game in a tie.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Does he do the news conference in a tie as well?
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: He's the only guy I can think of wearing a
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: tie on the sideline. He probably does. Okay.
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: Look.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: You don't have to. It's P.J.
• 39:31
  Speaker 7: Fleck.
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: Back to that game.
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: I was only giving up three touchdowns all year. They're
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: averaging 216 yards per game on the ground. Kamari Moulton
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: is one of the best backs in college football. Didn't
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: have a great game against Michigan. But you go back
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: to as good as Ohio State looked through the air,
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: they gave up a lot on the ground to Illinois.
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: They gave up 199 rushing yards. So if Iowa comes out,
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: slows this down, shortens the game, Moulton has a big game.
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: They don't turn the football over.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Ohio State could get Iowa.
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: They could get Iowa. I don't think it's going to happen.
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: I like Ohio State in this game.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Well, here's Ryan Day talking exactly about that, not playing
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Iowa's kind of game.
• 40:12
  Speaker 9: Ryan, it seems like a lot of teams go to Kinnick,
• 40:14
  Speaker 9: and by halftime it looks like both teams are playing
• 40:16
  Speaker 9: Iowa football. They tend to make teams mold to their style.
• 40:19
  Speaker 9: Why do you think that is, and how do you
• 40:22
  Speaker 9: avoid becoming their personality type game?
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a very difficult place to play. You just see...
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: You know, teams who go in there. And like you said,
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: first off, you got just the environment in general.
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: It's a loud environment. So we got to be able
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: to handle that part of it.
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: But this is a big opportunity for our team, I think,
• 40:40
  Speaker 7: to go onto a tough road environment against a very
• 40:42
  Speaker 7: good team and go get a win. That certainly would
• 40:47
  Speaker 7: build a lot of momentum for our season as we
• 40:49
  Speaker 7: move forward. This is a huge week for us. Like
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: you said, any coach would tell you that you want
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: to dictate the terms in all three phases. They've historically
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: done a good job of that, especially at home. It's
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: going to be a great challenge for us. I think
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: that's what we all have to recognize and make sure
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: that we're doing that.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Why does it turn out that way? Why do you
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: get in there? You've seen this in basketball over the
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: years that you'll start Like Tennessee basketball, you'll play Tennessee
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: in basketball, and you're like, okay, whatever we can do,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: we can't let it be a grab-hold physical game. Inevitably,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: it always is.
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: It always is.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: Well, if Iowa doesn't have success running the football and
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: they're not converting third downs, it's not going to matter.
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: Ohio State will be able to dictate everything at that point.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: Hank Brown has zero turnovers this year. That cannot continue.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: I thought you were about to say Hank Brown has
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: zero chance of winning this game.
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: That too, but I mean, zero turnovers. And you know
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: what's crazy is Iowa, in their history of all their football,
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: they have only, coming off the Michigan win, they've only
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: beaten both Michigan and Ohio State one time in the
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: same season in their entire history in 1962.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: And the Iowa we see today, it kind of becomes
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: a punchline that It's been a decent program under Hayden Fry.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: It's hard to believe that they've only done that once.
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it really is.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, they've played in several Iron Bulls.
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, and Ference has done a great job, too.
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's not fun to watch.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Aesthetically, it's terrible. I mean, if this weren't, I could see,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: no joke, Jim, if this weren't artificial turf, that they
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: would not have mowed the field in two weeks. I mean,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Ohio State would have to play this game in a week.
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: As good as that Matt Patricia defense was, and it's early,
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: but they're 45th against the run nationally.
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: That's not Ohio State defense.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: How good is Kirk Ferentz?
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: I think he's really, really good.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Do you remember when we ranked our coaches? We did
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: the combo SEC Big Ten, and that was kind of
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: a tough one for me. I'm like, Kirk Ferentz is
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: probably the best coach in Iowa history, so there's that.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: The record is good. He's going to a Rose Bowl,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: I mean, just looking at it, how many double-digit win
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: seasons do you.
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: Think he has?
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: How many has he coached? Yeah, how many has he
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: been there?
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: Since 99, so 27 years.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: 27 years. I'll say he's been double-digit 21 times.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Wow, that'd be a lot. He's not coaching at Ohio State.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: He's coaching at Iowa.
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: Six times.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: He's only been 10 wins six times.
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: Only, though.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: This is Iowa we're talking about.
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: Now, 2002-11, 3-10, 4-10. Then it was all the way
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: to 2009-11 wins.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: 2015-12 wins.
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: They lost that Big 12 championship game to Michigan State.
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: 10-4 in 21 games. And 10-3 in 2019. What's his
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: overall Big Ten?
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: What are his overall records?
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I just picture them all the time. 10-2, 10-2, 10-2.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: He has got 225 games that he has coached in
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: the Big Ten.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Okay. Gosh, he's coached 225 Big Ten games?
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: He is the longest-tenured coach in football.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. What's his Big Ten record?
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: He has won 34-91.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's really good at Iowa.
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and he is overall at Iowa 213 and 128.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Again, I always point this out. I think he got
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: to feast on that Big Ten West a little bit,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: didn't he?
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, you always got.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: To factor that in. That was such a bad division.
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: He's averaging probably just looking at this eight wins.
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: He's eight and four. But at Iowa.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you expect at Iowa. I really don't.
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't either.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, that Big Ten record at Iowa, and it's boring.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: It's punchlines. I get all that. That record at Iowa,
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: what are you going to do better than that? Like
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: the next coach after him?
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: I don't know how he got the Iowa. Well, I
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: guess he was an assistant because he was a head
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: coach at Maine.
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: And listen to this. Three years, 3-8, 3-8, 6-5. It
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: was 12-21 at Maine. Tough job.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: For me, Iowa, and this is old school memory now
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: because we don't even play these games on New Year's
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Day anymore, but Iowa for me was a little hungover,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: waking up, eating a not-healthy breakfast while I'm watching, because
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I got up late, watching Iowa kick off against a
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: middling SEC team in what used to be the Outback Bowl,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: one of those bowls that are played in the morning
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: on January 1st.
• 44:56
  Speaker 8: 10 a.m.
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Iowa, 10 a.m. game, way too early.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: You know what I remember as a kid is their
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: end-of-the-line tight ends used to stand. Do you remember that?
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: They would have the end-of-the-line, the tight end.
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: I don't remember that.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: He wasn't attached.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the tight end used to stand up, but he
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: was attached to the end of the line of scrimmage.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: It was a weird look. I never saw anybody else
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: do it. Yeah.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Innovator is what they would call it.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: I guess so. I don't know.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: So it's Ohio State at Iowa, one of the games.
• 45:23
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  Speaker 1: Coming up in the first hour of the next round
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: part of the show, after we're done here on sport
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: and state, we'll get back into Alabama's defense. And if they,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: if they've lived up to your expectations or not, as
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: they get ready for their biggest challenge of the year
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: on the road in Starkville tomorrow, in just about 24 hours.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Like already the team would have left Tuscaloosa for that
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: massive long cross-country drive to Starkville by the time we
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: get to this time tomorrow morning.
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: Do you think if we went back, I forgot who
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: we all had in our 12-team playoff before the season started.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: I know I had Navy.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: How confident would you be now that you could get
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: more than half the field?
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Let's do that right now.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: So I've seen what I've seen.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: How confident that I'm going to have to fail. So
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: you're September playoff bracket right now.
• 47:30
  Speaker 8: Yep.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Out of the Big Ten, I'll go Big Ten first.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: I would go Ohio State. I would go Oregon. And
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I would go Indiana. No particular order here.
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: Yep.
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: That's the three I would have.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Out of the SEC, I would go Georgia. I would
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: go Alabama. Alabama. I'll hold there and come back in
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: a second to fill in the gap.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Not just going with two. BYU for me. Miami for me.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame for me. No two-bid league there. So that's three, five, six, seven, eight.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: So I need four more.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you need your group team.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I need a group of six. So that's Boise. That's nine.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: So I need three more. Georgia, Alabama. The other three
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: SEC is where it's hard.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: I mean, Florida, Texas.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, right now, Florida.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Texas has the best win, but they are. Can I
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: say this? And it's probably a bigger discussion. They are
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: the weakest looking number one team in the country in
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: the AP poll that I can remember in recent years.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: I can't remember a number one team that had. that
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: I feel like has more flaws than Texas. I mean,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: they're not the number one team, I don't believe. Now,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: when you look at the resume, you could argue it.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: They went to Tennessee. They beat Ohio State. But Georgia
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: is playing so much better football. Even if the game
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: was in Athens, if I said Georgia at Texas right now.
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: Oh, I'd be all over Georgia. And I think Texas
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: would be a one-and-a-half point favorite.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: If Notre Dame was playing at Texas right now, I
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 49:11
  Speaker 6: It gets a little different there.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: I just haven't seen.
• 49:13
  Speaker 6: I don't know if Notre Dame can run the football.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Notre Dame get challenged.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Miami at Texas right now. Again, you're talking about two
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: coaches that don't handle big games. On the AP poll,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I basically went from number two at number one. You'd
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: be okay with Georgia.
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: I think this is one of those weird years. You
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: think about Indiana hasn't trailed. Hasn't trailed since the Big
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: Ten Championship. We could identify Indiana. It took a lot
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: of people a long time because of the brand. But
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: by the end of the season, you were like, That
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: is by far the best team. In today's college football,
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: it's going to be hard to have one elite team
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: and all the others, but through one month, I would
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: say Georgia's that team.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: They are, but I can't say they're not challenged. They've
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: played Oklahoma. I mean, they had the dog shit out
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: of them.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Back to what we were doing here, I don't know.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Right now, Florida, yes. I don't know if Florida can
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: stick the landing. Texas, yes, but I don't know if
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: they can stick the landing. Ole Miss, to me, yes.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: but I don't know if they can stick the landing.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know how good LSU's quarterback is.
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: I think your Big 12, I know you're going to BYU,
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: and I would lean BYU or Utah right now, but
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: teams like Oklahoma State could really throw a wrench in this.
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: I think that Oklahoma State is that improved that in
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: the Big 12, they can beat anyone. The ACC gets
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: really interesting because I think in a one-game situation, anybody
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: can beat Miami, and if you get A 10-2 that
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: beats Miami, they're going to get in, and then the
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: ACC's going to have two.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: We've talked about that with Miami before. If they lose
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: to Notre Dame and then get upset in the ACC
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: championship game, they got the benefit of the doubt last year,
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: and I think that will go against them this year.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: I think Miami will get left out. If I was
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: on the committee, I would try really hard. I know
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: that your hands are tied with some automatic bids, but
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: I would try really hard to get the 12 best
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: teams in there, and I just don't think that Oklahoma
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: State or or Utah would have been challenged as much
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: as some of these other teams that play in the
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Big Ten, but specifically this year's SEC.
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, just using Oklahoma State, it's far-fetched to
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: think in year one Eric Morris is going to get
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: to a college football playoff, but the Oregon win is massive.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: That's a huge win because Jim had them in his playoffs,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: and they probably will be there.
• 51:24
  Speaker 6: And think about this.
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: They're only going to play one more, well, two ranked teams.
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: They'll play Houston and Texas Tech.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: The Oregon wins are relevant. They're going to have to
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: win the conference.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? I mean, the Oregon win's
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: irrelevant to Oklahoma State. That was a huge win. Don't
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: mishear me. That's a huge win for Eric Morris.
• 51:40
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: But if they do all of this and then lose
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: the Big 12 championship game, they're not going.
• 51:44
  Speaker 6: Oh, if they went 11-1 and lost the Big 12
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: championship game, they would go.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 51:47
  Speaker 6: With the win over Oregon.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: I think they have the loss to Tulsa. They got
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: that loss to Tulsa. And I get you. I get
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: you what you're saying. But it's going to be hard
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: to squeeze two Big 12 teams in there. How would
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: you do your 12 real quick? I would agree with
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: you on the Big 10, those three. I would go Oregon, Indiana,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Ohio State, not in any particular order. I would still
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: have Alabama there. I would have Georgia. I think I
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: would go on and throw Texas. That would be six.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: I think I'm going to take Utah as seven.
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: So no BYU.
• 52:19
  Speaker 7: No BYU.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Make it two Holy Wars. Make it one for the
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Big 12 championship.
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: I'm going to stick with North Dakota State as my
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: group six. ACC's got to be Miami. Notre Dame's going
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: to get there. I don't know how many that is.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: If Boise runs the table, even though North Dakota State
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: runs the table.
• 52:40
  Speaker 6: Oh, it's Boise.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: It's Boise.
• 52:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah. But I just believe that Boise, you know. They're
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: going to fall somewhere? No, I'm looking at their schedule.
• 52:49
  Speaker 6: I don't think they can.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: So we're going to have undefeated North Dakota State. They're
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: going to be the ones that are. Crying the loudest. Yep.
• 52:54
  Speaker 6: They'll be bitching.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: And that's a pretty big fan base. Brownie, real quickly,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: you got yours?
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: I like all what you guys have done in the
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Big Ten and the SEC. I think my SEC would
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: be Georgia, Alabama, Texas, and I'll go ahead and keep
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Ole Miss in there right now. They've got Trinidad and Chambliss.
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: No Florida? No Florida.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: No, I just think Florida's going to fall. I like
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: what they've done so far, but I think we're asking
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: It is premature.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel we're a little premature.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Lance is hinting that on Monday we'll feel different about
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Florida than we feel about Florida right now. Yeah, out
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: of the Big 12, I think Lance has been hinting
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: the same way about we'll feel different about Kentucky on
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: Monday than we feel about Kentucky right now.
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I would agree.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: And we may feel different about Alabama on Monday than
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: we do right now.
• 53:34
  Speaker 6: But hey, think about this. If Kentucky wins, though, against
• 53:36
  Speaker 6: South Carolina, they host LSU next week. That becomes an
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: interesting game.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: It absolutely does, yeah.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: There's a history to when Kentucky's been good and ranked
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: with LSU coming to town.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Double overtime. It's a fun game.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Good thing you only count regulations.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: That's right. You don't count overtime. I think Lance honestly
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: thought that when he said it.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: We're undefeated in regulation.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Isn't that what matters?
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 53:58
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• 54:01
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• 54:07
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• 54:09
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