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12-30-25 Hour 2 - Implications of losing Jokic/AFC #1 seed is RIGHT there/NFL HOF Finalists · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 3: Hotcaz has it on the high left side.
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  Speaker 2: Ten.
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  Speaker 3: He's got out there by Spencer Jones.
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  Speaker 2: Seven.
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  Speaker 3: He's in the paint dotted line jumper short where put
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  Speaker 3: back up and in Oh no, Joker has crashed down
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  Speaker 3: to the floor. You're gonna hear the horn here, and
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  Speaker 3: he's grabbing his left knee. Oh, I see what happened.
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  Speaker 3: Spencer Jones was backpedaling on defense and he stepped on
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  Speaker 3: Joker's ankle and that looked like a hyper extension, is
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  Speaker 3: what that looked like. When I'm watching the replay and
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  Speaker 3: he is really struggling trying to get back to the
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  Speaker 3: locker room.
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  Speaker 2: This is part of the NBA.
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  Speaker 4: Anybody that gets hurt in this game, it's kind of
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  Speaker 4: gut wrenching, especially somebody as special as he is. We'll
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  Speaker 4: find out more tomorrow and we'll move on as a team. Obviously,
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  Speaker 4: right now, I'm more concerned just about him as a person,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and the disappointment of going through something like that.
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  Speaker 4: So it's unfortunate, hoping for the best, just like we
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  Speaker 4: did with Cam, you know, and the other starters that
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  Speaker 4: we've lost.
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  Speaker 5: No God, no, God, please, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's a little bit much because we don't know yet,
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  Speaker 2: do we.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's gonna be for some period of time. Now
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  Speaker 5: he's getting the imaging, either now or did? We should
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  Speaker 5: have an update. I would think sometime soon. Vic repeat
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  Speaker 5: to the people what you told us this morning to
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  Speaker 5: start the show.
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  Speaker 1: Initial reaction after the game, just evaluating the knee, like
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  Speaker 1: doctors and trainers would feeling around. The initial reaction was
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  Speaker 1: a positive of one, perhaps no structural damage. But there's
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  Speaker 1: only so much evaluation you can undergo. You've heard these
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  Speaker 1: stories many times. You can feel like it's fine, then
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  Speaker 1: go get the MRI and it's not fine. But the
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  Speaker 1: initial reaction was a positive one. They're hoping it's just
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  Speaker 1: a bone bruise. They're hoping it's a hyper extension.
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  Speaker 2: That's the hope.
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  Speaker 1: MRI going on right now in Miami, results of which
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  Speaker 1: will determine the extent of the injury. That's all I know.
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  Speaker 5: So whenever there's an update, we will bring it to
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  Speaker 5: you immediately. Now here's the thing with joker. And this
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  Speaker 5: is akin to maybe some other people that we've seen
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  Speaker 5: deal with injuries in the past. And again, the hope
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  Speaker 5: here is that it's the shorter term variety rather than
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  Speaker 5: the longer term variety. But if it is the longer
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  Speaker 5: term one, I mean, we all know the outlook for
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  Speaker 5: the rest of this season is shot. I mean you
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  Speaker 5: go back, do you Guys? Remember when Steph missed most,
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  Speaker 5: if not all, the year from the Warriors a few
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  Speaker 5: years back, and the Warriors were like the worst team
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  Speaker 5: in the NBA.
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  Speaker 2: They just gave up. I mean they did it on purpose.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you lose a player of that caliber that means
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  Speaker 5: that much to your DNA as a team and what
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  Speaker 5: you do on both offense and defense.
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  Speaker 6: It's just it's not it's not surmountable.
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  Speaker 1: Hey listen, man, I'm gonna be real here. And here's
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  Speaker 1: the real effect of this. This was a go for
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  Speaker 1: it year. Given the Nuggets revenue structure and the way
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  Speaker 1: they're set up salary cap wise, they're going for it
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  Speaker 1: this year. This team you see now is not the
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  Speaker 1: team you're going to see a year from now. Peyton
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  Speaker 1: Watson's contract comes up, there's some other contracts that there's
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  Speaker 1: some changes that will be made, So this is a
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  Speaker 1: go for a year. If you don't have this roster
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  Speaker 1: intact this year, you just I don't know what to
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  Speaker 1: tell you.
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  Speaker 5: The thing to move on from, you know, short term.
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  Speaker 5: Let's just do the short term variety. Let's just say
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  Speaker 5: that Yokich is gonna miss some amount of time, a
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  Speaker 5: month and a half somewhere around there.
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  Speaker 6: Let's say that's the case.
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  Speaker 5: Jamal is right now the only starter left on the floor.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody else is out. And I think this could put
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  Speaker 5: a real spotlight on two things. If you're trying to
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  Speaker 5: hold your head above water, how does a guy like
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  Speaker 5: Jamal respond to this when you now become the guy,
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  Speaker 5: you know the I just saw a post from Harrison
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  Speaker 5: win from last night that Jokich he missed seven straight
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  Speaker 5: games with an ankle spran in twenty seventeen. He hasn't
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  Speaker 5: missed more than five games in a row since then.
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  Speaker 1: And in twenty twenty three, during the championship season, he
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  Speaker 1: had a hamstring issue after the holidays and missed five games.
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  Speaker 1: I remember that as like, oh my gosh, let's go
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  Speaker 1: right ever, yeah, yeah, And they won a championship that year.
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  Speaker 1: This is why it's so shocking, I think, to the system,
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  Speaker 1: because this dude is one of the toughest ombres around. Again,
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  Speaker 1: we talk about his durability. We're not used to a
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  Speaker 1: tough guy going down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Vic, You're so right about that. I think my
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  Speaker 2: initial reaction, or part of the shock of all this,
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  Speaker 2: is that I view him as virtually indestructible. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 2: partly because of the way he plays the game, but
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  Speaker 2: partly because he's been banged and smashed and hit so
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  Speaker 2: often in his NBA career. Yet he keeps on going.
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  Speaker 2: Got the taped wrist and this and that and the
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  Speaker 2: piglet arms and I know you get mad when I
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  Speaker 2: say that, and blah blah blah, but you you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean. This guy has been He's been a
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  Speaker 2: mount Olympus out there on the floor, just unbovable. It
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  Speaker 2: just keeps going and going. He's been a machine, you know.
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  Speaker 5: I think this is really interesting test for David Adelman,
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  Speaker 5: who is a first time head coach, who is dealing
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  Speaker 5: with something that Malone never had to deal with, that
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  Speaker 5: very few people in the league have to deal with
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  Speaker 5: because there's not a whole bunch of players of the
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  Speaker 5: caliber of Jokic. That would be a missing extended time.
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  Speaker 5: But how do you navigate this? What do you do?
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  Speaker 5: Because there is an entire schematic and holistic change that
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  Speaker 5: needs to happen with the team because you can't run
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  Speaker 5: this offense.
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  Speaker 6: The same with Valentiunas.
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  Speaker 5: It's fine for five or six minutes when he comes
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  Speaker 5: off the bench or whatever that number is, it's not
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  Speaker 5: going to be when he plays thirty five.
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  Speaker 6: He can't do it.
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  Speaker 1: The definition of MVP, it's defined so many different ways.
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  Speaker 1: Are you the MVP to the league? Are you you
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  Speaker 1: the MVP to your specific team? Are you the face
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  Speaker 1: of the sport? What is the definition MVP? This much,
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  Speaker 1: I know nobody in this league means more to his
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  Speaker 1: team than Joker does to the Denver Nuggets. Nobody, nobody.
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  Speaker 1: If SGA left the Oklahoma City Thunder, it would be
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  Speaker 1: a big hit for them, a big hit. They'd still
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  Speaker 1: be a playoff team. They would still be a playoff.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, Now how good would they be, I don't know,
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  Speaker 5: but they would be good enough to keep it together.
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  Speaker 1: They would still be a playoff team. They have that
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  Speaker 1: kind of talent behind him because the Nuggets, Yeah he is.
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  Speaker 2: But I feel like if Joker was out, Valentoos was
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  Speaker 2: in the middle, and you still have everybody else around.
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  Speaker 2: I still think they could be a playoff team, but
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  Speaker 2: they can't win. Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 6: Uh?
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  Speaker 5: I think if you're telling me at the beginning of
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  Speaker 5: the year, Jokich is just out for an entire season
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  Speaker 5: and it's those guys and that group stays as hell as.
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  Speaker 6: Any team in the league in the West. I don't know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I maybe play in.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I think they could be a playoff team. I do.
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  Speaker 2: I think that those are good players. It's no, but
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  Speaker 2: you can't. You can't win. You're not winning a series,
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  Speaker 2: you're not winning jack.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's no disrespect to those individual players, but
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  Speaker 1: it's the system. The system you're in is reliant on
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  Speaker 1: Jokers starting the offense, initiating the offense, being that distributor.
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  Speaker 1: And now you have to reinvent your system. And we
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  Speaker 1: hadn't seen it, have.
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  Speaker 2: You, guys?
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  Speaker 5: No, No, you've never had to even consider it. I
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  Speaker 5: mean ever since he got infused in the starting lineup
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  Speaker 5: and you really started to build your team around him,
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  Speaker 5: it's been like that every step of the way. By
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  Speaker 5: the way, Bam Autobio who has a lot of respect
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  Speaker 5: for Joker, was asked about him after the game.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, it's always fun playing against him. You see
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  Speaker 7: how he makes his teammates better. You see the greatness.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 7: One thing I like about it, you know, is competition.
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  Speaker 7: You know, he's one of those guys that doesn't really
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  Speaker 7: flop and I truly respect that because well, I'm not
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  Speaker 7: gonna say flop, foulbating disrespect. At the end of the day,
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  Speaker 7: you hate to see guys go out, but you got
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  Speaker 7: to figure out how you can you keep your team
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  Speaker 7: foot on the gas and keep trying to get this
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  Speaker 7: w He loves.
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  Speaker 6: Joker, he does, he gets to talk about him.
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  Speaker 1: That's opposite to the Minnesota crowd who accused him of
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  Speaker 1: foulbating in that game. And he may have done it
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  Speaker 1: a few times, but that's a player in the league
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  Speaker 1: who faces off against him. You won't get a better
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  Speaker 1: source than that.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: What was that?
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  Speaker 5: Uh?
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  Speaker 2: That music behind bam?
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  Speaker 6: Was that music or was that just a hum?
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  Speaker 5: I thought I heard the same things like hum.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, it's always fun playing against him. You see
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  Speaker 7: how he makes his teammates better. You see the greatness.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 7: The one thing I like about it.
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  Speaker 6: You know, it's.
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  Speaker 1: In downtown Miami going off.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, well it it sounded to me like, uh
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  Speaker 2: like it was the start of like a documentary, you know.
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  Speaker 6: Like, yeah, they put up the big block letters. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: which you talk Kansas, Well.
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  Speaker 2: It's that you know that, it's that that keyboard music.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. Now again I think that this.
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  Speaker 5: I'm just going to take the route of the optimistic
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  Speaker 5: approach and just say this isn't look the only way
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  Speaker 5: I can really talk about this.
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  Speaker 6: I'm just gonna be honest.
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  Speaker 5: The only way I can talk about this is if
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  Speaker 5: this is a short term injury, because the long term
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  Speaker 5: is this team screwed.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's my tab.
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  Speaker 5: If it's long term, there's nothing to really discuss. The
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  Speaker 5: season's all over season anything.
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  Speaker 1: If it's a long term injury, you know, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: trying to be dramatic here, but if it's a long
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  Speaker 1: term injury, season is screwed, Championship hopes are screwed. Shut
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  Speaker 1: off this radio station just shut me off.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, So I have to go short term because then
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  Speaker 5: we can actually talk about Okay, can you is there
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  Speaker 5: a possibility of navigating this for a month and a
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  Speaker 5: half too much?
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  Speaker 2: Whatever?
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  Speaker 6: The number is going to be.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you couldn't tell you return. Yes, can just shut
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  Speaker 2: me off. I know, shut him off, shut me off.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to confess this, but I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: because I'm going to be right there with you. I
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  Speaker 2: was driving home last night from the game, and I'm thinking,
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  Speaker 2: if he's gone for the year, I don't think I
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  Speaker 2: want to talk Nuggets ever again. And shut it down
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  Speaker 2: may be unfair. I mean, it may be unfair to
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  Speaker 2: everybody else who's gonna bust their hamp and has to
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  Speaker 2: play basketball. And by the way, David Edelman was remarkably calm.
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  Speaker 2: I'm in his postgame discussion because I'd be freaking out.
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  Speaker 2: I'd be mad or I don't know what I do.
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  Speaker 6: Here's what he said after the game.
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  Speaker 4: So, yeah, we'll get together tomorrow. I think everybody needs
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  Speaker 4: to take a deep breath here. I think you sometimes
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  Speaker 4: when there's anxiety and stress and you force feed a
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  Speaker 4: meeting or group, I don't I think a lot of
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  Speaker 4: stuff comes out of that that's not thought forward. I
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  Speaker 4: think everyone has to take a break, take a breather,
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  Speaker 4: get the actual news first of whatever. This is not
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  Speaker 4: to mention news of updates of where Aaron is, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and CB and Cam obviously is out for a while,
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  Speaker 4: and then we can refocus and make smart decisions on
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  Speaker 4: what's best for this team.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, David, I appreciate you taking the approach of telling
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  Speaker 5: everybody the reasonable approach of Hey, let's just take a
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  Speaker 5: deep breath, calm.
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  Speaker 6: Down, shut up.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you know what ain't happening now, not in
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  Speaker 5: these parts, ain't happening, coach.
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  Speaker 2: I respect your your professionalism. There. I'm gonna need a
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  Speaker 2: horse shrink.
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  Speaker 1: All right, and then when I'm down smelling salts to
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  Speaker 1: get me back up exactly right, And that's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a daily occurrence.
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  Speaker 2: Horse trank smelling, salts, horse trank smelling. I mean, just
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  Speaker 2: this is I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Gonna tell you right now. If I get negative results
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  Speaker 1: of this MRI during the course of this show, shut
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  Speaker 1: me down.
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  Speaker 6: Here's the show.
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  Speaker 5: If if we get the worst news, here's the rest
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  Speaker 5: of the show.
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  Speaker 2: I'm leaving.
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  Speaker 5: I'll play this song on a loop yep, until one
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  Speaker 5: o'clock in the morning. That's what we'll get. So there
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  Speaker 5: you go.
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  Speaker 6: Just be forewarned.
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  Speaker 1: You know what's funny when we speak in these terms, right,
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  Speaker 1: and we're being obviously facetious here, but.
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  Speaker 2: When we speak in these terms but only but only slightly,
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  Speaker 2: I mean this is this is how big this is?
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  Speaker 2: I know, only.
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  Speaker 1: Slightly victim, But doesn't it make you think like we
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  Speaker 1: always talk about how much money these dudes make, right,
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  Speaker 1: and not all dudes are created equal in the professional sphere?
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  Speaker 1: Like what what is Joker's salary this year? Is it?
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  Speaker 1: Is he making Jokers underpaid?
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  Speaker 6: For my happiness?
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  Speaker 2: Underpaid?
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  Speaker 1: What I'm saying is like, even you get a maximum
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  Speaker 1: contract and it's similar to what other maxes are, but
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  Speaker 1: they shouldn't be similar When Jordan was making his money.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care how much you you could have played.
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  Speaker 1: You could have paid Michael Jordan ninety five percent of
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  Speaker 1: the Bulls salary space and it would not have been enough. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: some players feel that kind of role, right, Yep, that's
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  Speaker 1: how big this guy is for this team.
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  Speaker 5: So again, the second we get an update on Joker,
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  Speaker 5: we will bring it to you.
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  Speaker 2: But do you do you expect vic here? We've got
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  Speaker 2: an hour and forty five minutes left in the program.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he's got to sit in that tube. I've been
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  Speaker 1: in that tube many times. And then they got it
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  Speaker 1: after you get in that tube and they you know, listen,
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  Speaker 1: they I guarantee they did the Lockman test last night.
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  Speaker 1: They did the testing with the hands. You go through
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  Speaker 1: that as everybody does, and that initial test probably okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: this isn't as.
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  Speaker 2: Bad as it's not a big good.
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  Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean jack when you go in the imaging,
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  Speaker 1: because just because you can feel very little, the imaging
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  Speaker 1: can the results could be very different.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just waiting for those results like you are. And
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  Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes you need two different images. Maybe you don't
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  Speaker 1: trust the first one. Maybe it doesn't reveal as much
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  Speaker 1: as you would hope.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 2: If you go in the tube and I've been in
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  Speaker 2: that tube as well. Can't wear metal in the tube,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, Yeah it's a giant magnet.
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  Speaker 1: You bring a sword?
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  Speaker 2: No? But do you hear that that one? What do
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  Speaker 2: you mean?
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  Speaker 6: I can't bring my nun chucks in here?
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  Speaker 2: What somebody wore like a necklace in there? And gut
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  Speaker 2: I got it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, we all know.
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  Speaker 5: It's They make it very clear. We have another keyword
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  Speaker 5: coming your way in just a few minutes. And again
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  Speaker 5: the second we get an update on Joker. You will
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• 16:34
  Speaker 2: What are you? The Oasis one of my favorite bands
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: of all time?
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: So you know, I you know, I hate talking music
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: with you because you freak out over it. I don't understand,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: like how you think that's great? And then some other
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: stuff's not great.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Because it's flipping great. Because that's flipping great. Bro. I've
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: been to Manchester. I've been to the home of Oasis. Right. Cool.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: Uh, how's that better than Bruno Mars.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Bruno Mars is.
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: Excellent, Bros.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's really good. That's fine. Now how does that
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: compare like Goo Goo Dolls or Ram one of these
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: crap bands. I have to explain you wouldn't understand.
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, once again, the second we get an update from Joker,
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: we'll let you guys know. And on the meantime, the
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: Broncos who are AFC West champions, I feel first time
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: since twenty fifteen.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Which is awesome, which we've known since Saturday.
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: H Yes, but Sean Payton had a chance to talk
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: about that, and here's what he said.
• 17:36
  Speaker 8: I mean, I was watching it probably like everyone else,
• 17:39
  Speaker 8: and dude, it ended up being a close game, hard
• 17:41
  Speaker 8: part game. Then I think the immediate focus shifts towards Monday,
• 17:45
  Speaker 8: Monday meeting, which we just had relative to our approach
• 17:49
  Speaker 8: this week, normal schedule Sunday twelve, twenty five or twenty
• 17:53
  Speaker 8: five start time, and this game is very much like
• 17:56
  Speaker 8: a playoff team.
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a it's weird.
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: It's a playoff game and it should be a playoff
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: vibe for the Broncos heading into this weekend. But again,
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: the Chargers have had other thoughts on how to approach
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: to this. They are going to bench what sounds like
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: a lot of their starters.
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: And that includes Justin Herbert.
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: So where the Broncos are at in this is this
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: should be should and we've had a lot of times
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: that it has not been this season. Moje can attest
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: to that more than anybody of the amount of we're
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: going to smoke this team and then it's the fourth
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: quarter with two minutes left in your panic.
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: I think this game should and.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: I do think it will look a lot like Week
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: eighteen of last year, where you played against the Chiefs
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: team that benched everybody, you needed a win to make
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: the postseason, and you was the final score like forty
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: two to nothing, thirty was I mean, just crushed them.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: I think it should look a lot like that, because
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: this isn't. This is just a matter of motivation. The
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: Broncos are incredibly motivated to get that buy and be
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: two wins away from the super Bowl as opposed to
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: three with every game being on at their home field,
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: and the Chargers are fine, just trying to get to
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: the postseason healthy. That's the decision they've made. So it's
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: not a matter of matchups and what does the roster
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: look like compared to yours. It's a matter of motivation,
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: and I think that's what makes a difference here. But
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: you were in prime position to do something that it felt.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think we all can agree.
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: I don't care.
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: If you had the rosiest of rosy red glasses on
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: or blue and orange glasses, you did not think that
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: they were getting the number one seed this year.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: No, don't care.
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: You could have thought they maybe you thought they'd win
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: the division and that would have been like a very
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: very bold prediction. You did not think they were going
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: to be the top team in the AFC, or perhaps
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: top team in the NFL. Will A win this week?
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Who could have predicted the top seed in the AFC?
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Who How's that possible?
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: Do you think Sean Payton thought they'd be the top
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: seed in the AFC?
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: No way, I mean, maybe that's the goal, but you're
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: not thinking that. I mean, if you're not the top seed,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: is it a oh my god, we didn't reach expectations.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: That's not the way. I'm not sure the way he thinks.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I know this. Things have to go for you, right,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: things have to turn your way.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: You have to be lucky.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's nothing wrong with accepting luck. Guys, I'm not
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: one of those fans because I know what's gonna happen.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: I know. Let's say the Broncos win by seven this week,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: they win the top seed, what are you gonna hear
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: for the next two weeks until that playoff game. They're fake,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: They're hollow, it's not real.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Do me a favorite, Brett. You've got your little sports
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: pooky thingy that you do.
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Look up the odds to win the Super Bowl right now?
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Please current odds to.
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: Mention the Broncos aren't very high on there.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I bet you they're not even top three. I don't
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: let me think.
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: If the odds to win the Super Bowl right now,
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: who do you think is number one? Before before I look? Yeah,
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: I'm I'm gonna wait before I look this up. Let's
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: just I'm gonna name the teams that I think are
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: gonna be higher. Higher odds are better odds.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Then okay, then I'm gonna tell you how much crack.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: You're smoking per per.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: Okay, the Bills are they're going to be No, they're
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: most they are. They're going to be odds on better
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: favorites than the Broncos.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Are you not snow?
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: Okay, all right, you're gonna be wrong.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: They're like the Okay, okay, so I got the Bills.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: I will give the Rams better odds. I will give
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: the Eagles better odds. That's four I'll give. I'm trying
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: to decide. Yeah, I think the Niners. I'll go with
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: the Niners.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Really, yeah, that's five. You may be right, I may
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: be crazy. So let's see, but just maybe a lunatic.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: You're look all right, super Bowl winner? Oh in the Seahawks,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: I say the Seahawks. No, you did not. That's six.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I'm coming over this.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: I'm wrong, all right, there you go. It's the Seahawks
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: and the Rams are the top two. God, I would
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: have thought for sure the Bills were hired. I said
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: their third. The Seahawks and the Rams are top two,
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: and then it's never.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised that they're third.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: I'm shocked, actually, because this is based off the public.
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: I don't think the public. I guess I'm wrong.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: I thought the national public was like, yeah, the Broncos
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: are a really tough football team.
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: But if they played the Bills they'd lose.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Now they're gonna play one less playoff game.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I understand, but still that's true.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Number one, it's always gonna get bet on VIC because
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: they only have to win two games to stay there.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: And I do love Sean Payton's account to that. You know,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: it's not about rust. It's about avoiding injury. It's about
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: avoiding a fluke. It's about avoiding all that. And you
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: avoid it by see into the divisional round.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: By the way, Yeah, you avoided by you having a bye.
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: Wasn't that far off?
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: The Niners are right behind them, including the Eagles right
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: behind them, and the Bills are plus two hundred behind them.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: So I was, but okay, fine, you're close. They didn't
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: know Cigar Jack this week really to me, and so
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: we sit her on this Tuesday. Man, it's got to
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: become anti climactic. It's like Hardball's gonna sit everybody. And
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: I don't blame him.
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: Did you want this?
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: No? I like good football, exciting football. I think the
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Broncos are gonna win anyway.
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: Well, it'll be smash. Here's the thing, it'll be really
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: exciting when you're the one seed. Tell you that much.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, really exciting, and then you sit back and wait
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: to see if you're gonna.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: Play Yeah, Texas says before the season, Brett Moser said
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: they'd be happy with the playoff win. Obviously we have
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: higher hopes. But does a first round by satisfy those
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: hopes if they should happen to lose in the second round.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: That's a great question.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: Actually, I think that's a great question because here's before
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: the season. I said, I want to see an incremental step.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: So if that means that they win, and I said
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: in the wildcard round, because I couldn't imagine this. Uh,
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: if they win the wild card round then losing the divisional,
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: would I be happy? I take that right now, no
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: questions asked.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: I agreed.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: They're gonna be in the Divisional if they win this Sunday,
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: automatically you're in.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But you're dude, it's a does.
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: Kind of feel like you need to.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Get played home and rest. You're arrested and you're a home.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. Remember how we said the
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: season expectations this year, Okay, last year, you made the playoffs.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: The expectations this season maybe win a playoff game, right
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Since if they win the top seed and they get
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: past the first round, does that qualify.
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: Well, that's what we're talking about here.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: But does it qualify as I don't I.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Do. It doesn't qualify VIC again, because you have a
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Z your name, which means you've won your division and.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: All you've got to do is you have to see
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: it on the field. Yeah, here's okay, here's how I
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: base this discussion. I always look at it as you know,
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: whenever you lose in the postseason, it's disappointing, and we
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: all know that, and we felt it before and all that,
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: But do you feel like you didn't live up to
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: your expectations? And right now the Broncos have far exceeded
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: any expectation that I've had. At the same time, I
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: kind of look at this. You you could be a
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: thirteen and very easily a fourteen win team, number one
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: seed heading into the postseason, which would say to me,
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: you've got to win at least a playoff game, Like,
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: just on principle, it feels like you gotta win one.
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: But the way they've won some games this year, makes
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: me pause. But everybody's kind of lost games and made
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: you have like who's actually really good? Like there's a
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: whole bunch of different variables in this that makes it
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: feel really weird.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Like I feel the Rams. I said it probably three
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: weeks ago. I thought they were the best team in.
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: Football, and they still might be even with the loss
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: last year.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: They still might be. But yeah, but then you go,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, they've had a couple of tough losses here
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: in the last three weeks, and I'm like, something real quick,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know about that.
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: What can we have a sidebar?
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: By the way, they they couldn't even if they won
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: last night, they couldn't. They couldn't win the division, right
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: or could they not? With a win last night, they
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: would still be in it. Now they aren't. Now they're
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: playing a wild card game, right, But they couldn't have
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: won the division. They could have stayed in it with
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: a win last night.
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: I think they could have. Yeah, because if.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: The Niners, if the Niners beat Seattle.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: What did Stafford eat? By the way, my goodness, he
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: was off.
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: I don't know. But here's what I want to ask
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: you guys.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Late in that game, did you see the guy ed
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: wide open the first down that put him in the field
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: goal ring.
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: Yes, but late in that game they had a chance.
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: They were driving down the field the either tire win it.
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: Puka Nakua, who is unbelievable, unreal. He makes the one
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: handed catch with the guy draped on him and somebody
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: gets the feet down.
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: Somebody explained why that's not a catch, well.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Because they said he didn't control it to the ground.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: That right before he hit the ground was a tiny
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: But listen, you're not going to get debate for me
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: a cat. You know what, I used the eye test.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I used the common sense eye test. Caught it with
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: one hand. Let's go to But now in the forensics
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: evidence and the DNA and all the balls, the ball wobble,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I don't want to hear any of that crap.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I'm just let me watch, let me, let me let
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: my eyes make the make the determination.
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: I touched down.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: I touched it in umpire back in the day, and
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: this was before baseball had replay review, and before that
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: it was kind of you just lived and died with
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: what the umpire said.
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: Whether he's right or wrong, we all remember, is there Amando.
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: Galaraga was that the guy's name who had the perfect
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: games straight from him?
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: Yes, I had to live with it. There's no challenge
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: now there is. But he said, I have something called
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: that's cool rule. Shortstop makes a diving play in the hole,
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: gets up, guns the guy down. The guys beats it
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: by maybe a tenth of a second. He's really I
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: know he's safe. I'm punching that guy out because it
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: looks cool, and I think that should apply to Poka
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: Dakua's catch.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: It's amazing to me. I'm watching the clock and I'm like,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: twenty one seconds left right, Well, you got no chance,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: and yet they had three passes down the field or
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: all three had a chance to move him in the
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: field goal range.
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: I know, crazy.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Crazy, and you know what, not many teams can do that,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: and that's what makes them so damn dangerous that it's
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: never overde do the Broncos. As much as the Broncos
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: have achieved and come back action this year.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Could they do that? I mean, bombed down the field
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: and getting field goal range and booted what do you think.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Twenty one seconds?
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Uh? Well, they they've damn near done it. I mean
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: I've done it with less than wasn't there a minutes ago?
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they did that the minutes to go.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well was it Philly? I mean there was they've
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: done it. They've done it.
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: Well, They've had plenty of comebacks for sure. But what
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: game was it that they had?
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: Like there was almost no time left on the clock
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: and they had to just scramble down the field.
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: Oh here you go. It was uh no, they were down,
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: they were they were down.
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: Uh two with thirty seven seconds left against the Giants
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: and they got down the field goal range in thirty
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: seven seconds.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Let me let me got it. I got you, I
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: got you here. Field goal six plays forty eight yards
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: in fifty seconds. Field goal beat Houston.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, we know they're capable of it. Now, I want you, guys,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: your fundamental reaction to this, because I'm getting look at
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: all these texts you have Issvic completely out of Pookah's hands.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: You guys wanted to be a catch even though he
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: lost control. I'm going on the record as saying this, Yes,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: that was a catch. Yeah, yeah, that's what do you vote? Hey,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: let's let's everybody vote the Pookah play. If you were
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: the ref there, would you call that a catch? Yes, right,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: would you call that a catch? It's gonna get overturned
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the relay, But I'm catch. Would you call that a catch?
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Come on?
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Touchdown?
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: So you guys could disagree all you want. It was
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: a great athletic play.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: He bobbled it.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Take your forensics evidence and shove it.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: My old thing about the surviving the ground thing I
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: want to know, Like, here's what I've always wondered for
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: the surviving the ground.
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: If a guy makes a catch.
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: Let's say it's really out, he has to fully extend,
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: not dive, but he's on the run, full extension, and
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: as he caught it, he starts to stumble and he
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: takes like three stumble steps and then hits the ground.
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: The ball pops out. Is that a catch or not?
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I'm so sick of surviving the ground and surviving it.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: Like vibe, it's very clear if a ball bounces out
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: of his hands and then he like regrabs it, or
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: or how about this, if the ground helped you catch
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: the path like we all kind of know that.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Sure if the if the if the nose of the
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: ball touches the ground before your body does, right, yeah,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: that's helping you. That's helping you maintain control on this
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: specific catch.
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: He cut it with one hand and it's like rolling. Yeah.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Whatever. Pooka Nakula's got books cool rule. I like it exactly.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: He's got a thick face.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: All you Hall monitor nerds out there, that's what you are,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: glorified Hall monitors.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Hookah's got a thick face.
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: He is so damn he's gotta He's got a.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Scott Zolak type of look inside of his helmet.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: There's, by the way, there's there's something that needs to
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: be discussed. There's a larger discussion to Pooka Nakua. Now,
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: Calvin Johnson was different because he's a freak. How many
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: wide receivers of Stafford gonna make, by the way, kind
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: of seemingly out of nowhere, Pooka Cooper Cup remember those
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: Golden Tate years in Detroit where he went crazy, Like
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: every time Stafford finds a wide receiver from one in
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: a couple of years, that.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: What you're saying. What you're saying is that if Nicole
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: was not drafted by the Rams.
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: Oh, he's still probably really good.
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: But I think Stafford's got a pretty big hand in
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: making some guys a lot of money, is what I'm saying.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: I think he I think he has, but I've seen
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: po I mean Pooka's yak.
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: No, he's incredible.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Rak and Yak are pretty damn good.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: One last reminder the keyword for this hour and a
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: chance to win the pair of tickets to tomorrow night's
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: game AVS in Blue. Who's on New Year's Eve is Champagne?
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: So text that to first in your first last name
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: in three oh, three, five, four nine two.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Five people have misspelled Champagne. It's it's your own deal. Hey, Vic,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: I'm waiting for an update on your phone. What's your
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: phone doing?
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: Hold on, I'm.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Updating the Texter.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, cool, Carl. I want an update on your phone.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: I want to know. I want to know what happened? Yes,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: why are people so?
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Are you guys the same people that call like television
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: trucks to turn in a golfer? Is that what society
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: is now?
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Is that what you people are? If it's anybody but
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Patrick Reid, I hate it. But if you want to
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: turn in Patrick Reed, I'm all for it. By the way,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: what's that guy doing now? Does he exist? You know what?
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: I don't even you're obsessed with pat I'll.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Tell you what Brooks Keepka is doing now. He's looking
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: understand anything that you said three.
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: Oh three five, four nine two five. Still waiting on
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: that Yoka chop day. We'll get back to this in
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: just a second.
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: Stick around.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Oh well, well, it's.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: The most predictable sound in the history of radio's mos
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: are making that noise at the beginning of this song.
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: No update on Joker yet nothing.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think positive, man, I'm trying to think.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to send the positive vibes to his knee.
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: Vic said earlier in the show that the initial doctor's
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: analysis right when they were at the arena was that
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: there was no structural damage that he could feel.
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: Now, this is what the MRI is for.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Take that for what it's worth. Yeah, you know, I'm
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: hearing all kinds of stories of people saying the initial
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: feel is this and that, and then they go to
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: the doctor, they do the imaging, and the image and
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: is the worst case scenario. So I don't I don't
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: pretend to know, man, And until we get that word,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: it's all conjecture at this point, sad as it is,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: it's all conjecture.
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: Did you guys.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: See, by the way, the Pro Football Hall of Fame
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: finalists have been announced today. I think there's some obvious ones.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: Drew Brees is in that list, Larry Fitzgerald's in there,
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: Frank Gore is in there, Jason Witten, There's a few
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: guys that I think are are kind of automatics.
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: The ones I don't know about are like.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: Obviously Vinettieri is a kicker, but you would think if
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: there's a kicker that makes the Hall of Fame, wouldn't
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: he be one of them.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's the most successful of all time, right, Yeah,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I made the most big time kicks. They've been anti
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: kicker ever since the Hall open though. It's hard to
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: get kickers in there. Kickers and punters have been denied
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: so many times.
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: Can I make the argument for Vinitieri real quick?
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: Not that I'm stumping for a kicker, I'm like really
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: passionate about this, but I think it's just something that
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: is factually correct that Adam Vinettieri is almost directly responsible
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: for the mythologizing and legendary status of Tom Brady if
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: he misses kicks. How many non Super bowls does Brady have?
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: Like if you really think about it. I know, and
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: this is nothing against Brady, but how many times was
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: a football game, one an AFC championship game of Super
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: Bowl with Brady staying on the sideline?
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: Really ask yourself that question.
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Like, he is a huge responsibility for the legend
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: of Tom Brady.
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: I think he deserves at least some credit for that.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you could say that about every kicker, though. The
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Denver Broncos don't win in Cleveland to drive if they
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: don't make a kick in overtime.
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: Yes, no, that's totally true. I'm just but you give
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: this guy who made the amount of kicks that he made.
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: I think some flowers here, So I don't know.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Man, I'm looking at some of these names. This is
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: going to be an interesting one with Eli. Yeah, I
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: mean because of the Super Bowl wins. I mean, he's
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: a two time champion. That's pretty impressive. But I'm looking
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: at some of these names and I'm like, Tory holt Man.
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: Luke Kickley's another one. Luke Keickley was the best linebacker
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: in the NFL every year that he played. But he
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: only played like seven years, So what do you know
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: of that?
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. I Initially when I heard his name,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: I was like, eh, but that's that's wrong information. When
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: you do some digging on Luke Keigley, he's very much Rundy.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: He's very much on the Terrell Davis. Yeah, Terrell Davis
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: didn't play that many years, but when he played, Oh
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: my god, did he play, he was the best there was.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: And that's Keithley's numbers when he played We're Out of
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: this world.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: Do you guys react the way that I do? Because
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: every year these lists come out and they rightly have
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: offensive lineman on here, and my evaluation of them is
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: no idea, no clue. I'm looking at Jyrie Evans, I
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: was like, he was a good lineman. I have no idea.
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: What makes up you know what?
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Anderson? No clue.
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: Marshall Yander, I remember.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: You're exactly right for a lineman.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: It's durability.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: And did they win it all? Were they part of
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: a championship team and you were familiarize yourself with their names?
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: Right, There's two guys that I know for sure that
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: were Hall of Fame offensive lineman Larry Allen for the
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: story of him doing the train sound before they ran
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: the ball right over him. And Joe Thomas just because
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: he stayed in Cleveland forever and never won.
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: Credit.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: He's one of the few. He's one of the few
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: linemen who never won and he's still a Hall of Famer. Yeah,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: because he said, you know what, he survived Cleveland.
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: Like I if I think you could make up a
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: name and put up a picture of an offensive lineman
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: and say.
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: Austin Jones and then put up a picture of an
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: old lineman and.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Be like, pretty good pick for the Hall.
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: I got it. I know you know what I mean.
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: You can you can lie to me and I'd be like, sure,
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: throw him in there.
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: Sounds good to me.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: I mean. Anthony Munios is regarded as one of the
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: best of all time.
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: Texas says Chickley doesn't have the MVPs in Super Bowls
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: like Trell Davis. Yeah, tell me the linebacker win, the
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: middle linebacker winning the MVP Award.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: You have those.
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: Men, It's pretty high. That's a pretty high bar to
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: put for a middle linebacker. For crying out, Ray Lewis
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: no MVPs to my knowledge, pretty good player. Uh. Anyway,
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: It's so funny though, going back to that Brady and
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: Vinitiery thing, everybody hates kickers, and kickers are directly responsible
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: for how you feel about quarterbacks and legacies and status. Sure,
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: there's so much judged off of wins and losses. And look,
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: everybody gives Jim Kelly like, oh, yell, he didn't have
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: a Super Bowl.
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: Well if the kicker didn't miss the kick.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Story Now, I'm glad you brought that up. I don't
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: like people who dismiss kickers and punters. I don't like
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: people who continually call kickers and punters non football players.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: I don't like you because they are so they're only
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: football players when they help you.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, is that is?
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: That is how it goes. So when they help you
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: and you rely on them, then they're football players?
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Hey not?
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Is that how this works?
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah? Yeah yeah? Hey? Can I say one thing
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: before we get to the top here and we're waiting
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: patiently no for Nicole Yaks information. I just said, no,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna see it anyway.
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: Mute him, Nelly, I.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Said, shut me off. I always love that. Can I
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: say something I met I met a couple of the
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: other night. I met a couple of the other night,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: and they they they loved the shut me off thing.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Like they thought that was like the funniest thing. It
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: was all natural and organic at the time, and they
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: said that that's why our favorite thing of all time. Anyway,
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: it's like.
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: You were a robot that became self aware. You're like,
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: you know, no, no, shut off, shut me off, put
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: them off, shut me off.
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: I'm bad for everyone around me. Shut me off.
• 40:55
  Speaker 9: Do you remember what the context of that was.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: He was just you.
• 40:59
  Speaker 9: Were talking about Gabe landeskog and his return and you
• 41:02
  Speaker 9: compared it to that pitcher who like broke his arm,
• 41:07
  Speaker 9: came back got cancer. Yeah, exactly, Like that's the worst
• 41:12
  Speaker 9: example to use for landscog Man.
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, I just realized this.
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: You know, in Silicon Valley, for all these AI and
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: chat GPT things, they have somebody their job is called
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: kill switch operator, and it's like, if these things get
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: way too squirrely, you gotta shut him down.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Most you need a kill sich. I'm my own kill switch.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: I'm self aware. No, but I sent you guys this yesterday,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: the Iowa State Cyclones.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Through the portal.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: They've lost all but seventeen players.
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: Oh after Campbell left for Penn State.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Not only that, James Madison. Oh again, they got smoked
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: by the Ducks, like we knew they would. But do
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: you realize all eleven starters on offense are gone?
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Dude, that already happened at James Madison once, didn't they
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: all bolt to eye you a couple of years ago.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Dude? It's like, so, how can you lose an entire team?
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I see, that's what those teams are now, those in
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: between teams, they're just sort of housing. They house players temporarily.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Well they they're halfway houses. Well, that's what they are.
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: This is another example of like, good message, wrong messenger.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: I think because John Calipari he's at Arkansas now, right,
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: he was just talking about how the transfer rule is
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: just it's especially in college basketball, it's ridiculous.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: And it's insane.
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: We all know the difference.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: It's like, you have really five guys that are players,
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: and if you lose four of your five starters every year,
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: it's just it's impossible to sustain consistency.
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: And I've said this forever.
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: I think that when college football had no free transfer rule,
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: I thought that was wrong, Like you can't let coaches
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: leave whenever they want to and then say hey, if
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: you want to leave, though and transfer to another school,
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: you got to sit out of here. He said they
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: should get one free transfer and after that you should
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: have to sit a year. And I think that's the
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: proper route to take. But when Calipari says it, I'm like, dude,
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: you were Your entire transaction at Kentucky was one year, guys.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: But maybe it takes a transactionary type person to come
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: up with the proper transaction.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: Maybe maybe, But I mean for somebody to be complaining
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: about I'm so sick and tired of guys playing one
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: year and then leaving. It's like your entire existence was
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: that at Kentucky was guys would play for a year
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: and then go go pro and again.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: It just makes it so easy. I just read that
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: in thirty days, combined Iowa State and Oklahoma State have
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: lost eighty five players to the portal. Eighty five Iowa
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: State in Oklahoma State. You underside combined combined players to
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: the portal.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Some most would you agree with me on this? How
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: how stupid and foolish and meaningless these Bowl games are
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: when players are just taking off and it's not the
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: same team.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Well, and sitting out and everything else. It's just it's
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: really it's just I don't recognize it. I'm not saying
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: it's bad. I'm just saying I don't know. I don't
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: know what I'm seeing. I don't And this is not
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: the end until they fix it orlam down all this
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: legally stuff. Can they clamp down?
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you want to get it?
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, you know what vic I did.
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: And ball games like college football playoff or bowl games.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Bowl games, no, no, not playoff games. That's different.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: The ball is now. You need a stunt. Now. Look,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: everybody in this program knows how much I like pop tarts.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: I eat one probably what once a week on the
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: show Brett. Yeah, and I thought it was cute a
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: couple of years ago. I'll get a dancing pop tart
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: now when you've got ESPN stupid throwing odds out there,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: and what's pop tart's gonna get burned or whatever? It's
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: it's way too much, But you gotta have a gimmick. Now, Hey, Victor,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: bad boy, the bad boy Moor's game. You know what
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: they did, the winning coach, you know what they did?
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Remember that the Clemson and what Penn State? You know
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: what they did. They threw grass clippings on the winning coach.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that.
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: So you think it's it's stupid gimmick.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Well, if you don't have a gimmick, then nobody pays
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: attention to your ball game.
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: I totally agree with you.
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: And today at noon, the Independence Bowl between Coastal Carolina
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: and Louisiana Tech will be right here on ninety two
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: to five, So tune in for that.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Well, hold on, it's the Radiance Technologies. Let me see
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: it radio. Wait are we carrying that we got.
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: The Independence Ball at noon?
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Baby?
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Oh so wait, PhD's not on the air.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: No, they're not on the air.
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: After the after the game, we're gonna have a couple hours.
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: Who is in it's Plumbus and d Mac and Springer
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: or something like that, and yeah, we're doing.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, hold on, I cannot listen. I
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: I don't program for a reason. You mean to tell
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: me that we're not gonna hunt, We're not gonna do
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: live sports talk today on the day in which we
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: could get news on the Kolokic the Independence Bowl.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't think that we thought that joker was
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: gonna hurt.
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: The issue I think is that, like seven guys are
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: off the show today. We're trying to scramble together. Damn right,
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: I never miss a show.
• 46:13
  Speaker 9: And Vic, speaking as a lifelong Coastal Carolina Schanta clears fan,
• 46:17
  Speaker 9: how dare you be smirched this game?
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: We're gonna get independent with this bowl last thing. It's
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: sponsored by Radio Radiance Technologies. You're ready for this. It's
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: an employee owned company develops and integrates advanced technology solutions,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: primarily for US defense, intelligence, and civilian agencies directed energy, hypersonic,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: cyber and space systems. So if you want my at
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: hitching on the Radiance Technologies Independence.
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: But the winning coach gets set to space.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: No, no drone strike, Actually no, the losing coach gets
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: a drone strike now right there on the field.
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: If you want me to watch that, don't get me
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: to watch, you want.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Me to listen. I want a live drone strike on
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: this radio station today or just his house.
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: Nobody's in it.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, just take let's take that a lot of pressure
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: from Carolina.
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: Let me tell you something.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Hey, you don't win man Jones strike.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Listen.
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: You want to get me to watch a game if
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: you tell me the losing head coach's house is blown
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: up with a drone.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I listen, I had to hear. I had to hear
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Coach Sandford yesterday after our show go on and on
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: and on how much fun he had at the Arizona Bowl.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: All Right, did you guys watch that game?
• 47:33
  Speaker 8: No?
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Did you even know it was on?
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I knew it was on. But it was two
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: teams that don't have anything to do with Arizona?
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Right, who was You don't if you don't go to
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: those schools, or nobody cares about these bowl games.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: Which is directly why they're going to go to like
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: twenty four teams in the playoff now.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: But he cares about these bowl games. I hate to
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: report it to you. It's an exhibition. There are no stakes.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Winning and losing doesn't matter in a bowl game.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's a reward, dude, for a good season.
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: Oh wow, got one.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: More keyword PlayStation game?
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: Yes, still awaiting the news from Nicolaioka to will bring
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: that to you as soon as possible.
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: Back after this