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Steve Price | 1 August · Steve Price

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  Speaker 1: This is Steve Price.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Friday Night's step Price with you and I'll
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  Speaker 2: be back, of course on Monday next week, filling in
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  Speaker 2: again for Peter Kredlin. I'll get to those disruptive, potentially
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  Speaker 2: violent pro Palestine protests marches shortly with Melbourne's main north
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  Speaker 2: south route, the King Street Bridge over the Yarra River
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  Speaker 2: that's targeted for Sunday, with Victorian protesters aiming to copy
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  Speaker 2: what was planned in Sydney with a shutdown of the
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  Speaker 2: Sydney Harbor Bridge. Now that March was locked in court
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  Speaker 2: action all day to day with a decision now delayed
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  Speaker 2: by the Supreme Court until tomorrow. Will give you any
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  Speaker 2: updates as they come coming up. More billion dollar blowouts
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  Speaker 2: on the massive renewable energy projects, with projections that the
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  Speaker 2: V and I West Transmission Line to end up costing
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  Speaker 2: somewhere between seven and ten billion dollars. Why the big spread,
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  Speaker 2: well constructors must factor in farmers refusing to open their
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  Speaker 2: properties to the project, which is the only way to
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  Speaker 2: connect huge wind turbine complexes to the grid. Liberal David
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  Speaker 2: Davis or johnnas shortly also tonight, incredibly, the Victorian Parliament
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  Speaker 2: is going to debate whether a cast and erect a
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  Speaker 2: statue of the former Premier Daniel Andrews, who was greatly
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  Speaker 2: despised in Victoria by many people. Why have a debate,
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  Speaker 2: I mean all you need to do is say this
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  Speaker 2: is an insult to the population and we won't do it.
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  Speaker 2: Plus a major blow to the EV markets. An international
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  Speaker 2: shipping company is now refusing to even carry these things
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  Speaker 2: on the high seas. Paul Marrick from car expert on
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  Speaker 2: the EV market, resale values and the debate of course
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  Speaker 2: still around charging. But first up these disruptive, divisive agro
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  Speaker 2: pro Palestine marches that have been held since October eight,
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  Speaker 2: nearly two years ago, every weekend in Melbourne, most weekends
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  Speaker 2: in Sydney and other capital cities. They need to be
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  Speaker 2: stopped if they continue to cause Sunday mayhem. Last weekend,
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  Speaker 2: one of Australia's most important art institutions, the NNGV, went
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  Speaker 2: into lockdown as rabid flag waving sign toting activists decided
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  Speaker 2: because one of the patrons of that gallery is Jewish,
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  Speaker 2: that it needed to be targeted. That is a disgrace.
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  Speaker 2: No concern for small children and their parents attending a
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  Speaker 2: Wiggles concert who got caught up in the middle of that.
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  Speaker 2: Tourists and locals wanting to see the French impressionist collection,
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  Speaker 2: they were denied entry. Now, if you are Jewish, if
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  Speaker 2: you support Israel, these people, their simpletons, think you are
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  Speaker 2: a free target. Signs held up included references to Hitler,
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  Speaker 2: to falsehoods about genocide, swastikas and as you know the deal,
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  Speaker 2: as I said, has been happening now for nearly two years.
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  Speaker 2: They even push young children onto loudspeakers to pull at
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  Speaker 2: the heartstrings and make death threats against Israeli soldiers, chanting death,
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  Speaker 2: death to the IDF. So to this weekend I mentioned
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  Speaker 2: King Street Bridge. That stunt will soak up huge police
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  Speaker 2: resources ating anti riot police, the Mounted Division and police
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  Speaker 2: dragged off duty from right around the state, costing hundreds
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  Speaker 2: of thousands of man hours hundreds of thousands of dollars
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  Speaker 2: every week. The cost so far policing these things would
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  Speaker 2: run into millions. And I've just been alerted that there
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  Speaker 2: is actually an AFL game on at Marvel Stadium in Melbourne,
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  Speaker 2: so anyone south of the city traveling by car will
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  Speaker 2: not be able to get there. Then we have Sydney,
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  Speaker 2: where sensibly. The New South Wales government actually has a
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  Speaker 2: permit system to try and prevent major disruptions like the
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  Speaker 2: planned blocking of the Sydney Harbor Bridge on Sunday. Now
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  Speaker 2: here's New South Wales Premier Chris Mens making a point
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  Speaker 2: that people have a right to march, but not disrupt.
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  Speaker 3: I recognize and the government recognizes that there are thousands
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  Speaker 3: of people that want to be part of a protest.
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  Speaker 3: It's not deniable. But what I'm hoping is that the
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  Speaker 3: organizers work with New South Wales police on a route
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  Speaker 3: in the city because it'd be real shame regard, depending
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  Speaker 3: on the outcome of the court decision, if they were
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  Speaker 3: given an opportunity to protest when police are prepared to
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  Speaker 3: sit down and have been for the last week on
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  Speaker 3: an alternative route.
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  Speaker 2: I rate Mins, but I think he's been kind to
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  Speaker 2: these agitators, like the people who have constantly blockaded the
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister's electorate office in Marrickville. They continues to this day.
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  Speaker 2: Here was the march organizer, blow called Josh Lees, justifying
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  Speaker 2: his march on the bridge.
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  Speaker 4: The bridge, as we said, is important because this is
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  Speaker 4: an iconic symbol in Australia and we know that a
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  Speaker 4: mass march over our Sydney Harbor Bridge will send the
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  Speaker 4: most powerful message we possibly.
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  Speaker 2: Can remember Josh Lee's face. He's a serial protesting pest
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  Speaker 2: and has been for a very long time. He writes
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  Speaker 2: for something called The Red Flag, the magazine of the
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  Speaker 2: Socialist Alliance, and over the years has marched against John
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  Speaker 2: Howard's refugee policies, LGBTQ rights and Black Lives Matter protests,
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  Speaker 2: the Iraq War. Bizarrely, he agitated for stricter lockdown laws
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  Speaker 2: during COVID and in twenty eleven was involved in the
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  Speaker 2: Martin Place occupy Sydney tenth City. Now Chris Mens estimates
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  Speaker 2: the pro Palestine marches since October seven have cost New
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  Speaker 2: South Wales taxpayers close to ten million dollars and SAP
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  Speaker 2: police resources. The application in the Supreme Court to deny
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  Speaker 2: permission for Sydney march on Sunday could be fruitless because
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  Speaker 2: this boat leaves and his supporters say they will try
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  Speaker 2: and march anyway, and what they really want is headlines
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  Speaker 2: from a clash with police. But at least New South
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  Speaker 2: Wales has a system to try and prevent these marches.
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  Speaker 2: In Victoria, it's a free for all now. The Supreme
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  Speaker 2: Court in Sydney sat most of today. At one point
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  Speaker 2: the courtroom needed to be shifted because of the numbers
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  Speaker 2: of people, including protesters, trying to get in, and about
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  Speaker 2: an hour ago we learned that the court's decision will
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  Speaker 2: be delayed and not announced until ti Morrow. Senior police
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  Speaker 2: gave their reasons in evidence and at one point were
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  Speaker 2: heckled over reasons not to let the march go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: Also in court, lawyer for mister Lee said, quote, absent
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  Speaker 2: an agreement from the police to a date in the
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  Speaker 2: next few weeks, I the lawyer, have the firmest instructions
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  Speaker 2: from my client, the protesters, that the Palestine Action Group
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  Speaker 2: are proceeding with this protest quote. This is not This
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  Speaker 2: is going ahead and it can't be stopped. Makes you
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  Speaker 2: wonder what's the point of the court action joining me
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  Speaker 2: down the studio of Victorian Shadow Energy and Resources, Minister Davis,
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  Speaker 2: great to have you in the studio. I'll get on
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  Speaker 2: it just to blow out and these costs of transmission
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  Speaker 2: lines in a moment Sunday King Street Bridge, one of
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  Speaker 2: only what is it now three or two north south
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  Speaker 2: accesses from the city over the era the police have
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  Speaker 2: already worried about what's going to hap happen. Should we
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  Speaker 2: not at least have a permit system, So we haven't absolutely, and.
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  Speaker 5: The opposition has been very clear that we need a
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  Speaker 5: permit system, we need move on laws, we need a
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  Speaker 5: suite of laws that actually helps regulate and control a
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  Speaker 5: lot of these clowns. Frankly, the idea that you're going
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  Speaker 5: to block the King Street Bridge, or block the Sydney
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  Speaker 5: Harbor Bridge for that matter, is absurd and it's just wrong.
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  Speaker 5: These groups should not be allowed to get away with it.
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  Speaker 5: And I say this is the fault, especially in Victoria
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  Speaker 5: of the Allen Labor government. They've been very weak, They've
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  Speaker 5: been tardy, they have not been prepared to stand up.
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  Speaker 2: Of the processes.
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  Speaker 5: I mean Stitt was an apologist for the protesters, an
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  Speaker 5: apologist for the extraordinary attacks at the National Gallery a.
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  Speaker 2: Few that was disgraceful. I mean the Gandel family, great philanthropist,
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  Speaker 2: it's beautiful family targeted because they're Jewish. That's anti Semitic.
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  Speaker 5: It's completely and utterly wrong. And the idea that you
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  Speaker 5: would block people at the front of the gallery in
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  Speaker 5: the same way is just extraordinary. I think Victorians are
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  Speaker 5: tiring of this. They don't want our reputation damaged in
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  Speaker 5: this way. And I think Victorians actually want action. They
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  Speaker 5: want to see the premiere step up to the plate.
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  Speaker 5: They want proper laws, move on laws a part of
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  Speaker 5: it too, and a permit system like in New South Wales.
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  Speaker 5: The mens, as you say, is far more impressive. But
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  Speaker 5: in Victoria, it's been a free for all and it's
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  Speaker 5: quite wrong.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to stop. Let's talk about this report from
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  Speaker 2: the Australian Energy Market Operate. It's revealed that the proponents
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  Speaker 2: of this VNI West this is a massive transmission line
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  Speaker 2: connection New South Wales with Victoria. They estimate it will
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  Speaker 2: cost seven point six billion, with a range of as
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  Speaker 2: much as thirty percent lower or fifty percent higher. This
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  Speaker 2: means the project could grow out blow out to eleven
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  Speaker 2: point four billion dollars. Have you got any idea what
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  Speaker 2: it's going to cost.
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  Speaker 5: It's extraordinary. Initially this started at three point two billion.
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  Speaker 5: Now we're told it's likely to be seven seven point
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  Speaker 5: six billion with this huge range, a massive range up
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  Speaker 5: to eleven point four billion.
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  Speaker 1: And you know who will pay?
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  Speaker 5: You will pay every household electricity bills businesses and households
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  Speaker 5: are going to pay, and they're going to pay directly
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  Speaker 5: on their bills. Already bills are going up. You can
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  Speaker 5: feel that your electricity is up, your gas is up.
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  Speaker 5: And that's the result of eleven years of labor in Victoria.
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  Speaker 5: They've lost control of these major projects. I mean, part
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  Speaker 5: of this is the problem with major projects in Victoria.
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  Speaker 5: They can't run the metro tunnel, the Northeast or the
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  Speaker 5: Westgate Tunnel, whichever one you want to choose.
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  Speaker 2: The costs have blown out massively. It's no different. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think I want to get you on this. I
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  Speaker 2: mean I had the farmers on during the week. We
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  Speaker 2: have state government laws that threaten to fine up to
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  Speaker 2: up to twelve thousand dollars a farmer who refuses access
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  Speaker 2: to their property. What the hell are we doing?
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  Speaker 5: So these are draconian new laws this state government is
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  Speaker 5: bringing in. States already have significant powers. They should have
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  Speaker 5: some powers to build projects. They've build a road here
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  Speaker 5: or whatever it is, and they've got very significant powers
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  Speaker 5: to do that.
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  Speaker 1: But this is.
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  Speaker 5: Another layer, a new layer of draconian powers on top.
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  Speaker 5: It's a big stick to hit Victorian farmers and farming
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  Speaker 5: communities around the ears, twelve thousand dollar fees or fines
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  Speaker 5: for breaches, forty eight thousand for corporates. These are huge hits.
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  Speaker 1: It was forced through.
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  Speaker 5: The Lower House with just two hours debate. Yesterday came
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  Speaker 5: to the Upper House. We voted against it on the
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  Speaker 5: first reading.
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  Speaker 2: So we said, you're in the election, you'll get rid
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  Speaker 2: of it.
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  Speaker 5: Yes we will, Yes we will. We've been very clear
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  Speaker 5: that this is a layer of additional draconian powers that
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  Speaker 5: are neither necessary.
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  Speaker 2: Nor right, absolutely disgraceful. It is why would Parliament debating
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  Speaker 2: be debating about building a statue of Daniel Andrews.
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  Speaker 5: Well, what's happened here is an in peace brought a petition.
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  Speaker 5: MPAs are entitled to you know, tick and support a
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  Speaker 5: petition or even just to present a petition because there's
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  Speaker 5: a group of people in the community who've got a view,
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  Speaker 5: so it's important that their views be allowed to put.
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  Speaker 5: But well, seriously, what Daniel Andrews did do I do?
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  Speaker 5: And let me just say, I would not put his
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  Speaker 5: statue high on the list if I was looking for statues,
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  Speaker 5: he'd be very I love on that.
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  Speaker 2: I managed to get him banned from our golf club
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  Speaker 2: so I don't really want to have to go and
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  Speaker 2: look at a statue of him. It's not going to happen.
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  Speaker 5: Look, I just don't think that Victorian's at the moment
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  Speaker 5: where there's a cost of living crisis, think that statues
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  Speaker 5: are the thing. Statues of Daniel Andrews after what he did.
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  Speaker 2: Oh Danika was on the program before us played some
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  Speaker 2: old grabs of Daniel Andrews during the dark days of
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  Speaker 2: COVID telling people you will not shadow when they hear this.
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  Speaker 2: Take your mask off to drink alcohol when walking on
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  Speaker 2: the street. Yeah, you do it for a straw. Straw
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  Speaker 2: playgrounds are shut.
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  Speaker 1: You won't be able to go fishing.
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  Speaker 2: Solitary fishing was banned. That you can play golf. That
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  Speaker 2: gives me PTSD when I look at that stuff, and.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of it was, as we found out through
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  Speaker 5: some of the fois that we put in, a lot
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  Speaker 5: of it was based on a lie.
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  Speaker 1: It was just a lie.
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  Speaker 5: The problem is he claimed it was health advice and
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  Speaker 5: it wasn't. And you know, we would all say, if
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  Speaker 5: you'd actually followed the health advice, we would have had
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  Speaker 5: a different outcome.
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  Speaker 2: David Davidson's hope, there's not a major problem on Sunday,
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  Speaker 2: but I fear that it's going to get pretty ugly.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think the police have got the chance to
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  Speaker 5: really shine on this and to stand up, and I
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  Speaker 5: think it's a bit of pressure on it. I think so,
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  Speaker 5: and the Premier's got to be clear and it'll be
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  Speaker 5: a good time for the Multicultural Affairs Minister to step
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  Speaker 5: back from her earlier and stupid statements.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for coming in, appreciate it very much. Now. During
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  Speaker 2: a major speed last night, the ASO Director General and
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  Speaker 2: I found this quite remarkable. Mike Burgess revealed spionage costs
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  Speaker 2: the Australian economy are staggering twelve point five billion dollars
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  Speaker 2: in the twenty twenty three to twenty twenty four financial year.
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  Speaker 2: He also had this warning on threats posed to ORCUS.
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  Speaker 6: We're seeing foreign intelligence services taking a very unhealthy interest
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  Speaker 6: in ORCUS and its associated capabilities. Australia's defense sector is
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  Speaker 6: a top intelligence collection priority for foreign governments seeking to
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  Speaker 6: blunt our operational edge.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me now is Strategic Analysis Australia Director Peter Jennings.
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  Speaker 2: Peter this twelve point five billion dollar figure that comes
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  Speaker 2: from the inaugural cost of the espionage report. That sounds
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  Speaker 2: like a huge amount of money. Have you been able
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  Speaker 2: to get your head around what that actually means, Chris.
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  Speaker 7: I suspect it's actually significantly underestimating the value of damage
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  Speaker 7: to the Australia in economy, and a large part of
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  Speaker 7: it comes from intellectual property theft, so that is to say,
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  Speaker 7: business ideas, designs which are stolen and then manufactured in
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  Speaker 7: other countries and sold in ways which then undermine the
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  Speaker 7: success of.
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  Speaker 2: The Australian good.
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  Speaker 7: I think that's a very large part of the twelve
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  Speaker 7: billion or so that Mike Burchas announced, and I wouldn't
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  Speaker 7: be at all surprised if, in fact the figure was
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  Speaker 7: significantly larger than that.
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  Speaker 2: So this is a very useful study.
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  Speaker 7: But if Australians are surprised by and I think what
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  Speaker 7: we'll find is if we see future versions, the numbers
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  Speaker 7: actually going to grow.
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  Speaker 2: Burgess is always pretty brutally honest. And I was listening
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  Speaker 2: to his speech with interest, and he gave an example
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  Speaker 2: of something that happened several years ago, apparently involving an
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  Speaker 2: overseas delegation. He didn't name the country at a secret
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  Speaker 2: horticultural facility. I ever listened to what he said about that.
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  Speaker 6: During an official tour of the site, a member of
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  Speaker 6: the delegation broke away, entered a restricted lab and photographed
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  Speaker 6: a rare and valuable variety of fruit tree. An alert
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  Speaker 6: member staff member discovered and deleted the images, but it
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  Speaker 6: emerged photos were the only thing taken that day. Several
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  Speaker 6: of the trees branches were missing. The delegate had snapped
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  Speaker 6: them off and smuggled them out of Australia. Almost certainly,
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  Speaker 6: the stolen plant material allowed scientists in the other country
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  Speaker 6: to reverse engineer and replicate two decades of Australian research
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  Speaker 6: and development.
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  Speaker 2: Peter, we can only imagine what country app might be.
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  Speaker 2: But this might not surprise you. It absolutely surprised me.
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  Speaker 2: I could not believe it, and I presume that person
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  Speaker 2: was taking that twenty year project of growing apples. I
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  Speaker 2: think it was back to the country they came from,
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  Speaker 2: so they could grow apples like that themselves and not
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  Speaker 2: have to import them. That's my guess.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, absolutely, And in fact, if you search for this
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  Speaker 7: type of information, you'll see that it's happening all the
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  Speaker 7: way all the way around the world, particularly in places
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  Speaker 7: like the United States, The European Union. To anticipate your question,
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  Speaker 7: China is a very very large part of that, but
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  Speaker 7: not alone. But I think it's just remarkable that, and
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  Speaker 7: Mike Burgess touches on this in his speech as well,
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  Speaker 7: how naive Australians are to imagine that it couldn't possibly
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  Speaker 7: happen here, or it wouldn't happen to my business. And
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  Speaker 7: Mike actually quotes Australian official saying, oh, allth one would
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  Speaker 7: be interested in going after my information. This is industrial
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  Speaker 7: level espionage and intellectual property theft. And of course it's
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  Speaker 7: being directed against Australia because we're a high technology country
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  Speaker 7: with very significant alliance relations with the United States and
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  Speaker 7: other developed economies, and it will be happening all the time.
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  Speaker 2: So no, I'm not.
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  Speaker 7: Surprised, and I hope that people see Mike's speech as
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  Speaker 7: an important wake up call that we've got to be
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  Speaker 7: taking our security more seriously to protect our economy and
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  Speaker 7: also to keep our country safer against the risk of
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  Speaker 7: military threat, which.
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  Speaker 2: Is something the government says is more.
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  Speaker 7: Likely than we've seen since the end of the Second
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  Speaker 7: World War, but at the same time appears to be
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  Speaker 7: taking no steps to actually improve or strengthen our situation.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I think Asio is doing a pretty good job.
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  Speaker 2: Can we talk about Palestine. There's obviously growing momentum around
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  Speaker 2: the world to recognize a Palestinian state. You've got Canada,
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  Speaker 2: the UK and France all announcing the plans to do so.
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  Speaker 2: Treasurer Jim Chalmers said yesterday that it's a matter of when,
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  Speaker 2: not if, that Australia follows can Peter Jennings actually explained
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  Speaker 2: to me what Palestinian state we would be recognizing.
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  Speaker 7: There is no viable Palestinian state that could be recognized
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  Speaker 7: right now, and that's because in Gaza it's controlled by
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  Speaker 7: Hamas and the Back West Bank is controlled by the
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  Speaker 7: Palestinian Authority, which is barely better than Hamas has been
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  Speaker 7: a sponsor and supporter of terrorism in the past and
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  Speaker 7: is certainly not welcome in Gaza for that matter. Steve,
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  Speaker 7: it's outrageous that otherwise sensible Western democracies are proposing to
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  Speaker 7: effectively reward Hamas for their attack on October seven, twenty
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  Speaker 7: twenty three against Israel.
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  Speaker 2: That's what this outcome would produce.
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  Speaker 7: And you know, I haven't in recent months been particularly
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  Speaker 7: complementary of Anthony Albanezi but I have to say he's
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  Speaker 7: got it right when he is more cautious about saying
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  Speaker 7: that Australia should support recognizing a Palestinian state. And he's
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  Speaker 7: right because he won Hamas to be taken out of
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  Speaker 7: the picture. That has to happen, and I think we're
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  Speaker 7: a long way away, frankly, from there being a viable
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  Speaker 7: state in existence or worthy or capable of being recognized.
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  Speaker 7: And it really is to the intense discredit of Canada
• 19:20
  Speaker 7: and the UK and France and other countries to want
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: to be pushing this outcome when the only thing it
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: will do is reward Hamas, and that means to say,
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: keep their dominance over the Palestinian people further entrenched. That's
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: a disastrous outcome. And I think our governments are doing
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: this more for what they see is the performative value
• 19:44
  Speaker 7: inside their own democracies, but they're paying no attention to
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: what's actually going on in the Middle East, and a
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: recognition of a state, which is too early for Palestine,
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: I think is going to be deeply disastrous.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: For the Middle East. Well said Peter Jennings, thank you
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: very much for joining us. Now coming up after the break,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister faces criticism from former allies over the
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: government's failures to close the gap. Plus an American shipping
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: company's gone and banned transport of electric vehicles after a
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: fire and the ship actually sank with about three thousand
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: vehicles on it. What can that mean for Australia after
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: the break? Welcome back on this Friday night, Steve Price,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: with you get to those electric vehicle fires that have
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: stopped one shipping company from saying we won't transport those
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: things at all. Ever again, the co architects of the
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: ULARU statement today have come out and slammed the Albanezy
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: government over their failures. The failure is highlighted in that
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: report we talked about on Kredlin last night, the Closing
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: the Gap report, arguing that no one is being held accountable.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I think they're right. In a joint statement, Pat Anderson
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: and Megan Davis have claim the Prime Minister's upcoming appearances
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: he is up there this weekend at the Garma Festival
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: in Arnham Land will be quote a performative opportunity for
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: the government to repeat their talking points. Some will lap
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: it up. Not our people. Joining me now is fromer
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Queensland Premier Campbell Newman joins us every Friday night, great
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: to see you again. That's a hell of a slap
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: to the Prime Minister, given he would think that he's
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: done a lot for Indigenous people and that you know,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: they're part of his tribe. But those two really stuck
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: it to him, didn't they.
• 21:34
  Speaker 8: They certainly did, Steve.
• 21:36
  Speaker 9: But my take on it is that those two individuals
• 21:39
  Speaker 9: in particular have been the architects of pushing the wrong approach.
• 21:44
  Speaker 9: When you interviewed Warren Mundine last night, you and he
• 21:50
  Speaker 9: were right on the things that need to happen, and
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: that is the focus has to be on building communities
• 21:56
  Speaker 9: that are economically prosperous, that are vile, that have real
• 22:01
  Speaker 9: jobs and real opportunity. That that means getting young kids
• 22:05
  Speaker 9: to school and staying in school, and it means bringing
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: those opportunities instead of blocking them. One of my real
• 22:13
  Speaker 9: complaints about Susan Lee, for example, the new Liberal opposition leader,
• 22:17
  Speaker 9: is that she's a person who blocked a significant Cape
• 22:20
  Speaker 9: York economic opportunity, which was a.
• 22:22
  Speaker 8: Large agricultural project.
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: You know, but if the Liberals won't support real jobs
• 22:27
  Speaker 9: on Cape York, what hope do we have. But that's
• 22:31
  Speaker 9: what Warren mun Dean was talking about, is the way
• 22:34
  Speaker 9: to actually get Aboriginal people out of this terrible situation
• 22:41
  Speaker 9: that we all want them to come out of. But
• 22:44
  Speaker 9: it's not about more money, it's not about more bureaucrats.
• 22:48
  Speaker 9: It's not about glossy statements about earlier and from the
• 22:51
  Speaker 9: heart and hocus pokers. It's about real world initiatives on
• 22:56
  Speaker 9: the ground. And when I was premier, by the way,
• 22:59
  Speaker 9: I was trying to hold to account the mayors of
• 23:03
  Speaker 9: these communities on Cape York and in remote parts of
• 23:05
  Speaker 9: Queens and but with the bonus if I was going
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: to give them all the support they needed, but I
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: wanted them to show leadership and actually encourage parents to
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: send their kids to school. I would be leaders that
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: actually tried to drive their communities forward.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: I was about to say, if you were in charge,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: I think one of the first things you would do,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: and I wish that someone else would act like this.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: You've got to do an order to where the money's going.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Where it's gone, I mean so much, So many millions
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: of dollars have been just flushed away and no one
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: seems to take any responsibility for assigning checks. And it's
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: not having the result that we need. How many times
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: have we sat here like this and talked about closing
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: the gap not working?
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: We need We don't need to spend more money.
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: We need to spend the money in the right places,
• 23:56
  Speaker 9: and we need to back true leaders from the Aboriginal communities,
• 24:00
  Speaker 9: people who actually have shown and there are people out
• 24:03
  Speaker 9: there who've shown they've got the get up and go
• 24:05
  Speaker 9: and they've got the right ideas. Those are the people
• 24:08
  Speaker 9: we need to get behind and back.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: On these pro Palestine protests. Has Brisbane had the same
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: issues that Melbourne and Sydney have had in Melbourne's had
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: a Sunday protest and more than just Sundays, but every
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: weekend since October eight to nearly two years ago, has
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Brisbane had the same issue?
• 24:29
  Speaker 9: Not really, Steve, I think you know, Melbourne, with the
• 24:33
  Speaker 9: grace of respect, has always been protests central. In my
• 24:36
  Speaker 9: humble opinion, it's is it the weather, Steve, I don't know,
• 24:40
  Speaker 9: but so Brisbane people tend to have a better things
• 24:43
  Speaker 9: to do, particularly during winter. But I'll say this, Steve,
• 24:47
  Speaker 9: it's really interesting and if you go and do a
• 24:50
  Speaker 9: little bit of research, you start to see the same names.
• 24:54
  Speaker 9: When it comes to say these pro Palestine protests, you
• 24:58
  Speaker 9: see certain names. And if you go and look at
• 25:01
  Speaker 9: people who've been protesting outside the Big Defense Expo in
• 25:05
  Speaker 9: Melbourne in September last year, you see some recurrent names.
• 25:08
  Speaker 9: And if you go and look at who's been behind
• 25:11
  Speaker 9: Extinction rebellion, you'll see.
• 25:12
  Speaker 8: The same names.
• 25:13
  Speaker 9: And if you look at people who've been against the
• 25:16
  Speaker 9: Adani coal mine, the same names. And I'm not going
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: to name those names, but anybody watching this show, you'd
• 25:22
  Speaker 9: go and have a bit of a look. By the way,
• 25:25
  Speaker 9: there's some really ultra f wing people in Victoria, and
• 25:29
  Speaker 9: you know they're Marxist leftists and they proudly say that.
• 25:32
  Speaker 9: They proudly say that they're for the overthrow of capitalism,
• 25:37
  Speaker 9: socialist left. If you like the media often talk, you know,
• 25:40
  Speaker 9: the mainstream meter are always going on about the far right.
• 25:43
  Speaker 8: It was bad time people started talking about the far left.
• 25:46
  Speaker 9: The constantly are sort of disrupting our lives with these protests.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the bloke that is organizing the Sydney one.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Cambell I made the point earlier that he's been protesting
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: here since John Howard was Prime Minister and he didn't
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: like his refugee policy. So he's been in on every
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: protest since Black Lives Matter. Doesn't matter as you say,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: they are professional protesters, Campbell, have a great weekend. Good
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: to see you as usual on a Friday night. Now,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: I mentioned the electric vehicle disaster on some of these
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: major ships. Now there is a one shipping company is
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: banned carrying electric vehicles across the world. It's going to
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: provide a real bottleneck, you would think for the sector,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: which is already under significant pressure. One American shipping giant
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: banned the transport of electric and hybrid vehicles as well
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: on its vessels following a string of these fires. The
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: recent sinking of the Morning Midas with over three thousand
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: cars on board. There's thing burned and burned and burned
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: and then actually just sank a capsized and you imagine
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: the pollution that that's causing, which is rather ironic, even
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: we're supposed to be driving electric cars to help the climate.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Joining me now where I'll make from car expert Paul Marrick, Paul, welcome.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Those ships are huge, three thousand cars on one of
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: them that sunk. I mean, there's real implications here these
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: batteries that the cars have on them are prone to
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: catching fire. Why does that happen?
• 27:19
  Speaker 10: Look, it's a bit of a mix of barts, So
• 27:22
  Speaker 10: you've got issues with electric vehicles catching fire.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: It's not as common.
• 27:27
  Speaker 10: The problem is once they do catch fire, they get
• 27:30
  Speaker 10: thermal run away and they're virtually impossible to put out.
• 27:33
  Speaker 10: And these ships have enormous fire suppression systems, so if
• 27:37
  Speaker 10: you do get an internal combustion fire, typically they can
• 27:39
  Speaker 10: put them out without any dramas. But second you get
• 27:42
  Speaker 10: something catch fire there and there's an electric vehicle near it,
• 27:45
  Speaker 10: basically the ship is in dire trouble. I guess we
• 27:49
  Speaker 10: don't really know what sort of electric vehicles were on
• 27:52
  Speaker 10: board that ship, whether they were Teslas or they could
• 27:55
  Speaker 10: be any other of the major European brands are making
• 27:58
  Speaker 10: them now as well or easy Visa. I guess we
• 28:01
  Speaker 10: don't really know, do we no. And the funny thing is,
• 28:05
  Speaker 10: of the three three thousand odd vehicles on that particular
• 28:08
  Speaker 10: vessel that went down, only seventy were full electric vehicles.
• 28:11
  Speaker 10: So you can just imagine that had that thing been
• 28:14
  Speaker 10: full of full electric vehicles, it would have been an absolute,
• 28:17
  Speaker 10: well even more of a calamity than it was and
• 28:19
  Speaker 10: this is on top of another ship that caught fire
• 28:22
  Speaker 10: last year of the year before that also sunk to
• 28:24
  Speaker 10: the ground. Once these things go, they are impossible to
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: put out, and you're going to see more and more
• 28:28
  Speaker 10: of these shipping companies refusing to carry those vehicles because
• 28:32
  Speaker 10: the insurance premiums would be absolutely through the roof.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I presume we don't have a shortage from what I
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: can see on the roads of electric vehicles in Australia,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: do we There's plenty here to be sold.
• 28:45
  Speaker 10: Yeah, absolutely, I mean there's plenty to be sold. The
• 28:47
  Speaker 10: sales aren't going gangbusters like everyone thought they would be.
• 28:50
  Speaker 10: And I actually just spent time in the UK with
• 28:53
  Speaker 10: a partly electric vehicle. Thankfully it had a twin Turbov
• 28:56
  Speaker 10: eight in addition to the electric motor. But I was
• 28:59
  Speaker 10: just flabbergart how expensive it was to charge over there.
• 29:03
  Speaker 10: It's well over a dollar per killer what hour for
• 29:06
  Speaker 10: fast charging. And you can just see that we're going
• 29:08
  Speaker 10: to head in the same direction here in Australia with
• 29:10
  Speaker 10: energy prices.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: So zero to full charge how much?
• 29:16
  Speaker 10: So depending on the car that you want to get,
• 29:18
  Speaker 10: it can be anywhere from sort of seventy to one
• 29:20
  Speaker 10: hundred dollars to charge a full electric vehicle with the
• 29:23
  Speaker 10: UK on a fast charger. Yeah, crazy, absolutely crazy.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: That's the same as filling up with petrol. Yeah, pretty much.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Petrol is not much cheaper over there either.
• 29:32
  Speaker 10: It is insanely expensive. So I think Australians don't realize
• 29:36
  Speaker 10: how cheap we have it here when it comes to
• 29:38
  Speaker 10: fuel prices and electricity prices, despite them constantly going up,
• 29:42
  Speaker 10: despite this push for renewables.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Well, car expert reviews so many cars. We're about to
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: be flooded by dozens and dozens of different Chinese made evs.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Some of the names of them. You know, you can't
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: even work out what they are. Never seen before, have
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: you driven many of them? And do buyers need to
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: be cautious if they buy one of these things? Because
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, if one or two of these brands fails
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: and then they pull out of Australia, what do you
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: do if you have a problem with your car?
• 30:15
  Speaker 10: That's exactly my concern. I encourage people to go test
• 30:19
  Speaker 10: drive cars. Some of the Chinese cars we've driven a
• 30:21
  Speaker 10: fantastic They're safe, they've got all the latest tech and gizmos.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: They're good to drive.
• 30:25
  Speaker 10: Problem is if you do invest in one because it
• 30:27
  Speaker 10: is cheap, and then in five years time you try
• 30:30
  Speaker 10: and sell it but the brand's pulled out, there's every
• 30:32
  Speaker 10: chance you'll get nothing for it. You won't be able
• 30:34
  Speaker 10: to get spare parts, your insurance costs will be high.
• 30:37
  Speaker 10: So I urge people to just tread with caution. Don't
• 30:39
  Speaker 10: go diving into a brand you've never heard of. Do
• 30:41
  Speaker 10: some research and make sure that you are making the
• 30:44
  Speaker 10: right purchase.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I talked to a major dealer principal a couple of
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: weeks back who refuses to trade in an electric vehicle
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: because you then can't on sell it.
• 30:57
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: I mean this is a massive, massive problem.
• 30:59
  Speaker 10: I actually had that istrama when we went to sell
• 31:01
  Speaker 10: our Tessla and it was really hard to sell. No
• 31:04
  Speaker 10: one takes a tradeing. In fact, if you try and
• 31:06
  Speaker 10: do an instant offer on the car sales website for
• 31:08
  Speaker 10: an electric vehicle, it just rejects it immediately. So you've
• 31:11
  Speaker 10: got Australia's biggest use car site not wanting to touch
• 31:14
  Speaker 10: electric cars on an instant offer. I think that tells
• 31:17
  Speaker 10: you that the second hand market still needs a lot
• 31:20
  Speaker 10: of work for electric vehicles.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Paul Maraca was good to catch up, Thank you very
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: much mate. Now coming up after the break, cartoons of
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: the week with our friend Mark Knight. Some of the
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: best cartoons you'll ever see, plus Australia's Dodge, President Trump's
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: terrif Hike. But for how long will that lasts? That's
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: coming up next. Welcome back to Australia's favorite cartoonist, Mark
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Knight's been away for a little while. He's back with
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: us now. Great to have you back in the studio.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Rice, You good to be here now.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: I've written a column this weekend in the Herald Sun
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: that's up online now about the fact that there's signs
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: up in parks in Melbourne telling you if you go
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: out out or when you go to sleep at night,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: you've got to lock up your doggy door because the
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: criminals are coming through the doggy door to steal your
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: car key.
• 32:09
  Speaker 12: What has happened to us? Your doggy door is not safe.
• 32:13
  Speaker 12: So I did draw a cartoon. We haven't got it
• 32:15
  Speaker 12: on screen, but I could just imagine some guy in
• 32:19
  Speaker 12: a hoodie squeezing through the doggy door and there's the
• 32:22
  Speaker 12: bish on freeze sitting there.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: But what he doesn't realize is they also have a Rotweiler.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: That's what you need. Hogan gave you a bit of funduring. Yeah. Now, Hulk,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: remember when he did do I mean, your cartoon's fantastic.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: We'll put it up on the screens that I can see.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: When he did that big speech at the Donald Trump
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: it wasn't the inauguration. It's one of the rallies.
• 32:43
  Speaker 12: Yeah, it was one of the shirt off Yeah, he's great.
• 32:46
  Speaker 12: And I didn't get to do a cartoon on that.
• 32:48
  Speaker 12: And then when he passed away sadly last week, I thought,
• 32:51
  Speaker 12: I've got to draw a Hulk Hogan. And so here
• 32:53
  Speaker 12: he is fair walking out of the stadium. He's left
• 32:55
  Speaker 12: the building, but he's not there to help poor old
• 32:58
  Speaker 12: Donald with the Epstein files. Who Donald's being carried away
• 33:03
  Speaker 12: Donalds and Donald's and he's going to be in a
• 33:05
  Speaker 12: full Melson from the Epstein files without the assistance of
• 33:09
  Speaker 12: Hulk Hogan.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Now, I've been very interested how you're going to draw
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Susan Lee. Yes, I mean you have to get in
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: your groove on these things. I know you've got her
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: as one of the greatest comebacks, one of the great
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: footy comebacks.
• 33:22
  Speaker 12: Or she would love to think, you know, when we
• 33:25
  Speaker 12: all watched Since Kilder last week we watched them. They
• 33:28
  Speaker 12: came back from a forty six point rough on her aunt.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I think that's a pretty kind character. Come on.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: But Lee might have an art next week. I might
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: put that up and ask her how she feels.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: She's a pretty tough bird. I think she can tell.
• 33:43
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Look, I wish her all the best.
• 33:44
  Speaker 12: She's she's you know, she's got to where she is.
• 33:47
  Speaker 12: But I think like the Sin Kilda, she'd be dying
• 33:51
  Speaker 12: for a win, Yes, absolutely dying for a win the
• 33:54
  Speaker 12: Liberal Party. And I thought if they if they looked
• 33:56
  Speaker 12: at Saint Kilda, they might learn something about how to
• 33:59
  Speaker 12: actually come back. And you know, as she says in
• 34:04
  Speaker 12: the cartoon, you know, oh I wish I was killed her.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: I reckon, They're a long way off that. Now we're
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: going to have a new idea in Victoria. They're going
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: to put bins outside police stations for people to donate machetes.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: You did do a machete cartoon idea in the week, Yes,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: based around the entrance to Melbourne on the freeway.
• 34:26
  Speaker 12: Well, if anybody's ever drawn people have driven to Melbourne.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: The thing on the rights, the chopsticks, isn't that right?
• 34:33
  Speaker 12: Yeah, if you drive down the taller freeway in Yoruba
• 34:36
  Speaker 12: from Melbourne Airport, you know you'll see the big it
• 34:39
  Speaker 12: was a it's a big yellow cheese stick. But that's
• 34:41
  Speaker 12: not a symbol of Melbourne. A symbol of Melbourne is
• 34:44
  Speaker 12: the machete. It's it's the tool of trade. Now, everybody's
• 34:48
  Speaker 12: got a machete. Have you got a machete down there?
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: We shouldn't laugh, but it's a very very funny cartoon. Now,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: the mushroom lady, we haven't heard from her for a while.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: She's in jail. She's very fully sentenced. They've grabbed her home.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Her house is a mushroom.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Well, she's very proud of this house she built.
• 35:08
  Speaker 12: And I thought, what type of house would Aaron Patterson,
• 35:12
  Speaker 12: the mushroom murderer build.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Well, there you go.
• 35:14
  Speaker 12: It's the toadstool deathcap mushroom house. But yes, the Director
• 35:21
  Speaker 12: of Public Prosecutions wants to seize it and sell it
• 35:24
  Speaker 12: and compensate those affected by.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Her, which is a good thing. I think Palestine's a tough,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: tough issue. As an illustrator, it must be really hard.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think there's anyone watching us who
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: sees the pictures out of there that doesn't feel for
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: those people who are scrambling for food. What have you
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: drawn on.
• 35:43
  Speaker 12: Palistine Well, we've got the European nations this week going
• 35:47
  Speaker 12: to recognize Palestine. And when I look at Gaza, you
• 35:52
  Speaker 12: can't recognize it from what it used to be. It's
• 35:54
  Speaker 12: been totally flattened. And so that's what the cartoon is saying.
• 35:57
  Speaker 12: And I still let I think you have to hold
• 36:00
  Speaker 12: hamas responsible for what's happened here.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: They started this war, they show.
• 36:08
  Speaker 12: Little care for their people, and the Palestini of people
• 36:11
  Speaker 12: have suffered greatly at the decisions of a mass.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: And so that's what I'm saying in the cartoon, and
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: you say it very well. Good on you mate, Thanks
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: you for coming in again. Lark Night Australia's Best cartoonists
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: now coming up after the break our panel. Since he
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: became US president for the second time, Donald Trump has
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: met more than twenty world leaders. I'll give you one
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: guess at who one of them is not. Plus pets
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: on planes. Seriously, Virgin's going to let you take a
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: dog and a cat on a plane. I mean, seriously,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: we'll debate that after the break. Welcome back, Steve Price,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: with you the world according to Ron Dean coming up
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  Speaker 2: straight after us, let's bring in our panel tonight. Research
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  Speaker 2: fellow at the Institute of Public Affairs Miya Schlidt and
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  Speaker 2: Sky News contributor Joe hild A Rand. Great to see
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  Speaker 2: you both again on a Friday night. We're going I
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  Speaker 2: took those Palaestinian protests shortly, but let's start with Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump and tariffs Australia. When you look at the graph
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  Speaker 2: of who's being hit hardest, Australia has probably come out
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  Speaker 2: with the best deal of anybody. We'll have a ten
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  Speaker 2: percent tariff. We're in bed with Britain and Brazil. It
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  Speaker 2: still does mean, though, doesn't it, that any Australian product
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  Speaker 2: that goes into the United States will cost ten percent more?
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  Speaker 2: But the government seems to be running around going this
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  Speaker 2: is a wonderful deal for Australia. We've secured the endorsement
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  Speaker 2: of Donald Trump. I'm not sure we should be all
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  Speaker 2: that happy about it. I mean, we're the least of
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  Speaker 2: the losers by the look of it.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, thanks for having missed Eve. I think that's absolutely right.
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  Speaker 11: I think it would be an absolute mistake for anyone
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  Speaker 11: to read into this as some kind of signal that
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  Speaker 11: our relationship with the United States is going well. I mean,
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  Speaker 11: it's one piece of nomic relationship with the United States,
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  Speaker 11: but we have plenty of other relationships that we need
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  Speaker 11: to preserve. And when you look at all the pieces,
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  Speaker 11: I mean, our Prime Minister hasn't even found time to
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  Speaker 11: meet with the President yet. We're completely in the dark
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  Speaker 11: over the ore Cosse review. The President hasn't yet appointed
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  Speaker 11: an ambassador to Camera as of yet. I mean, when
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  Speaker 11: you look at all of this together, it's hard to
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  Speaker 11: say that our relationship is in a stable position at
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  Speaker 11: the moment.
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  Speaker 2: The only thing I would say, Joe, is, you know
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  Speaker 2: when you looked at that massive military operation that was
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  Speaker 2: being run out of the Northern Territory last week, where
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  Speaker 2: you had a US aircraft carrier or a British aircraft
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  Speaker 2: carrier in port up there, you had thirty five thousand
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  Speaker 2: troops from I think nineteen different nations. You know, It's
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  Speaker 2: always been our big advantage, hasn't it, Joe? Our geography.
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  Speaker 2: It's where we're placed in the world. We're an island
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  Speaker 2: and we're close to southeast Asia and East Asia. That's
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  Speaker 2: our big advantage and even Donald Trump understands that.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, I think this tariff deal is a fantastic win
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  Speaker 13: for Australia. There is not a single country that has
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  Speaker 13: a lower tariff than US. Ten percent is the new
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  Speaker 13: normal for every single country in the world now. And
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  Speaker 13: there were and there were other allies of the years.
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  Speaker 13: I mean talk about our military alliance, the other third
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  Speaker 13: of the Anzas Treaty New Zealand. They just got their
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  Speaker 13: tariff rate jacked up to fifteen percent. So I think
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  Speaker 13: it is a big win for Australia. And I think
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  Speaker 13: the Operation Talisman Saber exercises that you mentioned, Steve, this
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  Speaker 13: is something that's conducted every two years in Northern Australia.
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  Speaker 13: You've got US troops, marines, the defense personnel constantly rotating
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  Speaker 13: through Darwin. And you're absolutely right, our locations as the
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  Speaker 13: United States sort of southernmost ally not counting New Zealand
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  Speaker 13: because they don't really have an army, makes us invaluable.
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  Speaker 2: Navy or anything. That's right.
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  Speaker 13: So that's why we've got pined, that's why we've got
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  Speaker 13: US troops stationed in Darwin, and that's why I think
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  Speaker 13: you know, to quote Mark Twain, reports of the death
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  Speaker 13: of the Australia US alliance have been greatly exaggerated. I
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  Speaker 13: think the tariff decision proves that there's no ill will
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  Speaker 13: at all.
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  Speaker 2: Mia. I mean, I presume New Zealand exports to the
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  Speaker 2: United States what they're good at, which is you know,
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  Speaker 2: milk and butter and those agricultural products mainly probably some
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  Speaker 2: media to movies and stuff. But I can't get my
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  Speaker 2: head I'm not an economist. I can't give my head
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  Speaker 2: around why Donald Trump can make things more expensive to
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  Speaker 2: buy in his own country is an advantage unless you
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  Speaker 2: believe that America is going to start making more of
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  Speaker 2: that stuff that they import. Is that what he's trying
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  Speaker 2: to force with this tariff Plant.
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  Speaker 8: Or Steve.
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  Speaker 11: I'm not an economist either, but there's no doubt that
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  Speaker 11: Donald Trump's made it very clear, particularly with his energy policy,
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  Speaker 11: that he wants to make more things in America, and
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  Speaker 11: he wants to do that by you know, improving manufacturing,
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  Speaker 11: making energy cheaper. And here in Australia, I think our
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  Speaker 11: Prime Minister needs to follow suit. We need to repeal
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  Speaker 11: on it zero policies and we need to make sure
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  Speaker 11: that we can create and sustain ourselves here in Australia
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  Speaker 11: so that we're not relying on other countries as much
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  Speaker 11: as we do.
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  Speaker 2: Joe, I mean, is that the plan that America just
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  Speaker 2: starts making more stuff? I mean, ken is it real?
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  Speaker 2: Can it? Can it actually work?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 13: Look at Trump gets all his advice on this issue
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  Speaker 13: from a kind of rogue economics professor who basically thinks
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  Speaker 13: that yes, you can do everyone else's wrong, and that
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  Speaker 13: he's right and that America can start producing things again,
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  Speaker 13: including steel of course, which is why that our steel
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  Speaker 13: exports have been so hard hit, and that the jobs
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  Speaker 13: that they create and the increase in wages will offset
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  Speaker 13: at any increase in prices from products being more expensive
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  Speaker 13: because they're made in America, not cheaper places like Mexico
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  Speaker 13: for example. So you know, if that works, good luck
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  Speaker 13: to them. I think certainly this guy is an outlier
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  Speaker 13: in this thing, but Trump has just lapped it up.
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  Speaker 13: They think the tariffs are now the answer. It's a
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  Speaker 13: very weird new world where Republicans are all in favor
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  Speaker 13: of tariffs and Democrats and labor parties are against them.
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  Speaker 13: But that is the theory.
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  Speaker 2: You're right, Joe virgin airlines are just giving me a
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  Speaker 2: very good reason never to darken their door again or
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  Speaker 2: get on any of their planes. They're now going to, apparently,
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  Speaker 2: by the end of the year, allow people to take
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  Speaker 2: pets like a small dog or a cat on a
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  Speaker 2: flight with you. Now the regulator is set to approve
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  Speaker 2: this madness. Apparently they will appeal to certain people. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not quite sure who. How does it work when you
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  Speaker 2: get on board and you're sitting in row twenty seven
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  Speaker 2: A and the person next year's got a cat in
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  Speaker 2: their lap? What's that?
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  Speaker 11: What?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 13: I got to tell you st Just Monday I was
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  Speaker 13: on a Virgin flight from Melbourne to Sydney with an
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  Speaker 13: entire plane load of British and Irish Lions supporters and
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  Speaker 13: quite frankly, they were the only bulldogs that I want
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  Speaker 13: to share a flight with. And they were bad enough
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  Speaker 13: they were riding high after another win. But yeah, I
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  Speaker 13: just see this as kind of crazy. I mean, these
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  Speaker 13: are obviously meant to be for sort of support animals
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  Speaker 13: and people who need them. You know, I have a
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  Speaker 13: friend who keeps snakes. He loves snakes and he keeps
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  Speaker 13: them as pets. Are we going to get to a
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  Speaker 13: situation where we literally have snakes on a plane. There
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  Speaker 13: was a movie about that and it did not end well.
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  Speaker 2: Mia. I haven't owned a cat ever, not myself. My
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  Speaker 2: parents probably had one, I think way back. Do cats travel?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm not so sure about it, And I have
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  Speaker 11: to admit, when I first read about this police policy,
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  Speaker 11: I thought, no, no, no. I mean, already everyone knows
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  Speaker 11: the pain of traveling on an airplane, the delays. I mean,
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  Speaker 11: flights can't seem to get off on time without this
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  Speaker 11: extra consideration of making sure all the dogs and the
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  Speaker 11: cats are on there safely. I mean, I don't know
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  Speaker 11: how getting through security is going to get any faster.
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  Speaker 11: But I mean I had another thought about it. I thought, well,
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  Speaker 11: you know what, how many times do I start on
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  Speaker 11: a plane next to someone who's making small talk with me?
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  Speaker 11: I don't want to engage, So maybe I might quite
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  Speaker 11: enjoy sitting next to a cute little chihuahua or a
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  Speaker 11: little poodle. It might be more enjoyable.
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  Speaker 4: Who knows.
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  Speaker 2: The indelicate question, Joe, what happens if they need to
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  Speaker 2: go to the bathroom? Mate?
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  Speaker 13: This is the thing. There are humans who aren't even
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  Speaker 13: properly toilet trying for plians, I mean introducing animals into
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  Speaker 13: their mix. It is just a recipe does and again
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  Speaker 13: I mean presumably this is just for you know, smaller
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  Speaker 13: animals that can be fit in kind of carry on
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  Speaker 13: into persons or stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Real dogs.
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  Speaker 13: A chihuahua is not even a real dog, So the
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  Speaker 13: policy doesn't even count.
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  Speaker 2: No, it doesn't even count. If you could think of
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  Speaker 2: someone who you would least like to have cast in
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  Speaker 2: bronze and stuck in a park with a label on
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  Speaker 2: it saying the Honorable Daniel Andrews served during these dates
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  Speaker 2: as the premier of Victoria. I mean, seriously, Mia, they
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  Speaker 2: can't be serious about erecting a statue to a bloke
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  Speaker 2: who put us through what he did during COVID, can they?
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  Speaker 11: Well, unfortunately, I think they are quite serious about it.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, I think the only way to properly commemorate
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  Speaker 11: Dan Andrews would be to stick this statue inside with
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  Speaker 11: a mask on. I mean, Victoria's a discard by what
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  Speaker 11: this man did to us during the COVID pandemic. And
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  Speaker 11: this is the last thing they need is their taxpayer
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  Speaker 11: dollars when the state is already in debt spent on
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  Speaker 11: commemorating a premier like Daniel Andrews.
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  Speaker 2: Joe, I have PTSD when I see pictures of Daniel
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  Speaker 2: Andrews on the television, let alone wandering past. So just
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  Speaker 2: so people know from inter state, if you serve a
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  Speaker 2: certain number of days as the Premier of Victoria, you
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  Speaker 2: are eligible to be cast in bronze. And if you
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  Speaker 2: walk past the Premier's offices up in Spring Street, you've
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  Speaker 2: got a statue there of Henry Bolty and Rupert Hamer
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  Speaker 2: and John Kin I think there as well, and it
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  Speaker 2: would be Dan Andrews. But you know that would just
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  Speaker 2: that thing would be deface targeted. The pigeons that have
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  Speaker 2: a hell of a great time dealing with it. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's just ridiculous.
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  Speaker 13: Look, it's ridiculous, but in many ways, I mean I
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  Speaker 13: don't particularly care about the statue one way or the other.
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  Speaker 13: I think what does need to happen is we need
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  Speaker 13: to properly understand the terrible mistakes that were made in
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  Speaker 13: Victoria by Dan Andrews and his government, and the gas
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  Speaker 13: lighting that went on when people were tried try to
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  Speaker 13: expose or interrogate those errors or the basis of these
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  Speaker 13: decisions that were made that in many times seem to
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  Speaker 13: be just arbitrary and cruel. And also I think the
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  Speaker 13: acolytes who harassed and bullied anyone who dared to question
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  Speaker 13: the Andrews orthodoxy, I think they need to be held
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  Speaker 13: to account for the mistruths that they spread online. They
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  Speaker 13: were just as bad as the anti vaxers in many ways,
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  Speaker 13: and so I think you forget the statue, focus on
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  Speaker 13: the main game, which is the incredibly spurious decisions that
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  Speaker 13: were made, the horrible impact those decisions had on the
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  Speaker 13: economy and people's mental health, and make sure that they
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  Speaker 13: never happen again, and that those who were responsible are
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  Speaker 13: never forgotten and held to account.
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  Speaker 2: Me are two protests due for the weekend, one still
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  Speaker 2: stuck in court. Whether people will be out of march
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  Speaker 2: across Sydney Arbor Bridge or not, I don't know where
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  Speaker 2: that'll go. MEA, you're in Melbourne, they're planning the pro
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  Speaker 2: Palestinian crowd to block a the King Street Bridge so
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  Speaker 2: people can't travel north south. Should the police let that happen?
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  Speaker 11: I don't know. I think, especially in Victoria, I think
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  Speaker 11: people are sick to death of this issue. But I
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  Speaker 11: mean the police it seems to pick and choose which
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  Speaker 11: protests they want to allow and which ones they won't.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, I think there needs to be a blanket
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  Speaker 11: law for everyone. We saw during the lockdowns of COVID
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  Speaker 11: just how many protests weren't allowed for those against COVID.
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  Speaker 11: So I think there needs to be a blanket rule
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  Speaker 11: about which protests are allowed and which ones aren't.
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  Speaker 2: We've got to get rid of We've got to stop them.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Mia, thank you very much for joining us tonight.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Have a great weekend. Let's hope those
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  Speaker 2: protests don't go ahead. I'll be back filling in for
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  Speaker 2: Peter Kredlin Monday night.