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Victor Claims South Africa’s Series Victory Before the USA Finale · Rugby Rivals - Sir John Kirwan & Victor Matfield

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  What a test match, what an atmosphere.
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  First off, you must have loved a lot of ball in play, a lot of phases.
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  I think the difference is you have a very, very good, mature side that know how to win.
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  We've won this series now yesterday, JK.
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  You have not won the series, Victor.
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  You can't help say that.
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  I'm really feeling sorry for Dake.
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  His voice was gone yesterday in the build-up.
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  I heard he couldn't speak.
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  He was like, now he's crying.
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  That's enough, Ricardo.
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  I can't take Victor anymore.
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  Let's go.
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  Welcome to Victor's favorite edition of the hand-to-hand couriers rugby rivals.
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  Look, I mean, it's exciting to grow on you, Daka.
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  I would just say this, Victor, that the best team won yesterday.
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  I thought the South African team was outstanding when they needed to be.
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  I think, you know, we had about 15 minutes in the second half where they just dominated us.
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  So, you know, I think...
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  Hats off to the South African team, man.
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  They were pretty good yesterday.
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  I mean, I'm really proud that the boys, you know, stayed close.
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  And I think the difference is you have a very, very good mature side that know how to win.
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  Yeah, I must say, what a test, Max.
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  I mean, that first half, you must have loved a lot of ball in play, a lot of phases.
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  Really lose both teams having a go at it.
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  I thought South Africa actually stood loose in that first half.
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  But then, like you said, I think in that second half, you could just see this is a very experienced team that played together for nine years.
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  Lassie also said it in that press conference.
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  I mean, they just had another gear.
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  And that just came through.
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  I think the experience playing together for a long time
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  There was just an extra gear for them to go to where I think that one or two big injuries for the All Blacks with Ardy getting injured really played a big role as well.
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  But again, what a test match.
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  What an atmosphere.
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  I think everyone was talking about this great rivalry to lift up to all expectations.
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  So, JK, who was your – what was your Ram hand-to-hand couriers?
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  Who delivered under pressure for you in that test match?
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  Well, I think once again I know he was the same, you know, as last week.
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  But my hand-to-hand guy yesterday was probably Artie before he went off.
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  I mean, two tries.
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  I don't know if I can say that because he went off.
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  But two tries, was really leading.
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  Yeah.
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  You know, when he went off, it was very interesting.
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  We've got a really young side.
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  And I turned to Fitzy, who was next to him, and I said, who's going to be captain?
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  You know?
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  And I know Luke took over, but yeah, I thought he was a real standout for me.
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  So he would be my guy.
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  For you, Victor, who delivered under pressure?
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  Oh, Ram, Hentai, and Piriya, he was a man of the match as well.
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  Also, Ethan Uka just stood up.
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  I mean, he's a young man.
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  really played well, his work rate was unbelievable, his ability under the high ball, winning that back, it's just great.
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  So I think Ethan Uka was definitely my Ram Hentuan career and he keep on delivering.
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  I thought Malcolm Mask was outstanding yesterday as well, Victor, eh?
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  Like I thought he was pretty special yesterday.
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  I think he's special every week.
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  I think in Newlands he could have been the man of the match as well.
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  I actually dedicated it and it was probably between him, Yipin and Ceslin.
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  But Malcolm is just an outstanding player.
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  What he's done for South Africa, he just comes out there, puts his body on the line.
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  He leads that scrum.
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  He gets over the ball, carries.
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  So, no, he's just unbelievable.
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  And then, Sam, we always talk about the bomb squad, and everyone thinks the bomb squad is just the forwards.
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  But I thought a guy like Morde van der Berg, young nine, came up.
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  I think he made eight or nine tackles.
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  And that one movement, he made three tackles in a row.
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  His kicking game was also just on the spot.
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  And I think he speeded up the game a little bit.
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  And you get the ball in the front foot and Marnie Leboeck, because he had 10, I think that attack also looked much better.
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  I'm a little concerned because you're both being very, very nice to each other.
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  I'm really feeling sorry for Joke.
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  His voice was gone yesterday in the build-up.
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  I heard he couldn't speak.
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  He's like, now he's crying.
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  So I'm feeling for the man.
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  It's almost like a millie.
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  I think it means go piss in the woods, doesn't it?
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  No.
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  So, it's almost.
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  Yeah, look, I think, Ricardo, I think, Ricardo, one of the things that...
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  You know, it's no use being angry with each other when we've got the base of respect.
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  And I think this whole series has been about, you can't go away from yesterday actually complaining about anything.
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  I thought the ref was good.
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  I thought both teams gave it everything.
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  You know, for me, there was 15 minutes in the second half after Will Jordan scored where the experience and the knowledge of the Springbok team being under pressure for the last nine years as one of the world's best teams just knew what to do.
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  And I think this young team that will come away from the All Blacks, they will go, we didn't quite nail that.
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  And so the best team won yesterday.
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  So I don't have anything to say.
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  And if the ref did something or if the players did something, and that's just the truth of it, the best team won yesterday.
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  And Jake, are you happy that you can say we won this series 2-1 in South Africa and it's just an exhibition game in America now?
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  No, that's a ridiculous thing to say.
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  We're just trying to be nice to each other.
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  And then you come out with that.
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  One in South Africa.
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  Two-one to South Africa.
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  No, no, no, no.
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  We can go in for the World Cup.
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  We'll play some of our other players.
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  Give everyone an opportunity.
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  No, you won't.
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  You will not.
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  You will not.
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  You will not.
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  It is two-one in a series of four, mate.
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  But one in South Africa is one by South Africa.
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  And if it's a drawn series, you're going to have to wear an all-black jersey then.
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  It's an exhibition game.
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  It's not an exhibition game.
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  That's ridiculous.
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  You can't say that, Victor.
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  I'll just tell you what.
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  I'll wear it, but you won't beat us.
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  I think that's gone.
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  You had your chance now.
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  I do think both teams will have a lot of changes.
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  South Africa for sure.
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  I think you'll probably see 8 to 10 changes in the South African team.
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  Well, we've got some force changes.
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  So Artie's out, dislocated shoulder.
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  Quintal Pye's out with an MCL.
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  And I think Luke Jacobson's done a tendon in his elbow.
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  So we'll be forced to make some change.
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  I think there'll be five or six changes at least.
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  Victor, you're a different person when you've got a smile on your face because you're a little bit grumpy after that first test.
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  You must have enjoyed the referee giving out scrum penalties because that's what you love.
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  Yeah, I mean that's something, I mean in our pre-build-up show I'm in technical though and I just had a nice pick from above who's scrumming straight and who's not scrumming straight and that's South Africa's definitely scrumming straight and yeah,
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  Yeah, I think last week the All Blacks got away with a few scrums where we should have gotten the penalty that they didn't give to us.
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  This week, I mean, the powerful scrum dominated and they need to get.
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  What I didn't understand is if you give a penalty try, normally there should be a yellow card.
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  Why wasn't there a yellow card with a penalty try just before halftime?
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  I actually think Jeffrey explained that.
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  He sort of said there wasn't one particular player that you could pinpoint, that it was just the scrum going backwards.
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  Okay.
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  I still think it's ridiculous anyway.
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  Because I don't like, you know, thoughts, so it's good.
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  Exactly.
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  I would like to challenge that, though, because I thought one of the scrums yesterday, and if you're completely honest, Victor, and you do look at the scrums and analyse it like you do, I did think there was one scrum that we got penalised and that you guys brought in on the hooker.
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  But the hooker must be able to take it.
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  That's what's... All the power goes through the hooker.
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  That's how it works.
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  It's how scrum works.
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  Yeah, but you're supposed to stay straight.
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  Take our tight end into a scrum discussion.
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  If the tight end goes straight into, then you will go straight.
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  I'm just saying that Victor said that last week the All Blacks were not hitting straight.
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  I say yesterday.
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  I'm pretty sure we got penalised when actually the South African tight end was not straight.
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  But anyway, what would I know, Victor?
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  Let's talk about something you know.
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  Let's talk about something you know, Jocko.
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  Did you think Leroy Carter was maybe out of depth yesterday?
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  Wouldn't it have been better with Rico or someone on the wing?
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  I mean, two tackles, two tries?
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  Yeah, look, I really like Leroy.
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  And, you know, I've been in a similar situation before where, you know, if you miss a tackle and you're a lock, no one really notices.
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  because you're in the middle of the field and no one really notices.
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  When you miss a couple of tackles like that, you feel like digging a hole.
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  I think Leroy will learn from that.
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  I think what he did was he rushed.
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  So when you're in a situation like that and your opposition's coming at you, if you go too fast at him, he's got all the options.
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  And I think Creel, what he does with his fend is he never puts his fend out.
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  He keeps it here.
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  And then when you hit it, he uses it.
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  So from a technical point of view, that's one of the hardest guys to tackle.
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  But if Leroy slowed a wee bit and then let him do his stuff, it might have been a bit better.
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  I just think he rushed.
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  You know, this kid, the try that we scored...
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  that Will Jordan scored was a lot to do with Leroy.
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  So I think Leroy is a quality player, but he made a couple of defensive errors yesterday that really cost us.
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  I think when you look at the game, two missed tackles, a couple of scrums, and that maul, that amazing maul, we've just got to get way better in those tight situations.
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  So, you know, he'll learn from it, mate.
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  I mean, I feel sorry for him.
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  I know how hard it is.
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  He's a quality player.
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  One thing I found interesting in the game was that normally in a test match, the winning team, the 10, will really stamp his mark on the game.
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  But none of the 10s really stood out in the game, did they?
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  Of the three 10s on display, no one really took control of the game.
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  Yeah, I mean, I think when you look at the All Blacks, I think Ruben has been really steady.
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  I think we left a lot of points out there.
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  He'll be disappointed in that.
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  I think we left two conversions and a penalty out there.
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  So that's seven points that you can't leave out there.
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  So I think Ruben will be disappointed that he didn't nail that.
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  There's some pressure on there.
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  I do think that in the past we've had...
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  You know, first flyers that in critical times will step up.
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  I do think, though, that with the current South African side, you know, the forward pack is the dominant part of the game, and they step up, right?
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  So if you're not really clean, and, you know, I think Dave Renner said after the game, you give away a penalty on the 10-yard mark.
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  They're going to kick to the corner and their mall is incredibly devastating.
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  So I think Ruben will be disappointed he didn't kick those goals.
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  I think there'll be pressure on him because he's got Richie Mwanga and Bowden Barrett that have a whole lot of experience.
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  So he'll be under pressure to get selected this week because if you're a first five, you have to step up in those situations.
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  What did you think of the South African 10s, Victor?
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  It's a pretty...
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  I mean, all the games, there was injuries in the backs and we had to shift it around.
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  So I think we've got three teams that's quite different.
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  I think at Newlands, when you were under pressure, we wanted to go back to Andre Pollard that can really control the game, keep the forwards on the front foot, play a conservative type of game where you manage it by your back-of-fords and your 9-10 with a kicking game.
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  I think he's got the X-Factor.
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  I think he's going through that second year syndrome when the first year everything just worked and it was easy, but now he had to work for it.
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  I thought in the second half yesterday, he really stepped up.
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  Although he was on 15, those kicks he had to make.
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  And just again, I mean, his physicality on the fence, unbelievable.
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  And then in Marnie, we've got a 10 that if you want to open it up, I think he's probably the best of it.
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  All three.
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  He loves to call for the ball.
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  He loves to get with the ball.
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  on a deck.
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  And I mean, we scored both of our trials with him, giving those long passes to the outside and Damien firstly, and then Jesse beating the guy on the outside.
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  So, yeah, we still don't know who's the guy that will take that 10 jersey.
• 14:00
  I still think it will probably be Sasha.
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  He just needs to work through this second year syndrome.
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  And that always happens because I think the expectations are so high for him just to go out there and do magic where,
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  think you'll need to learn now how to build it just to build pressure.
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  And when the opportunity comes, then you take it because he's got all the skills for that.
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  Yeah, I mean, getting back to that, Ricardo, I think the most important thing for the All Blacks is that we, you know, I think Ruben's been really steady.
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  He's a young man.
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  You know, to play in those test matches and play well has been a real positive.
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  I mean, I think for us,
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  You know, what do you do moving forward?
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  Richie's come back, he's been in the squad, do you throw him out there?
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  Or do you continue to give Ruben confidence?
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  So I think that's a really interesting selection for this week.
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  What will they do?
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  You know, I think that obviously with Quinn Tupaya being injured, Rico will come straight back into that.
• 15:01
  into that starting position.
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  I thought they might have put him on the bench last week to come on late.
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  So, yeah, I'm with Victor.
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  I think there'll be...
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  I think there'll be... Well, I'm not actually...
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  I don't actually agree with Victor because this is not a dead rubber this week.
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  This is a really important game.
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  But I think the changes will be a little bit...
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  It's a bit of a dead rubber exhibition game.
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  ...but also a little bit tactical.
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  So I wouldn't be surprised if we see Richie out there at 10.
• 15:26
  It's not a dead rubber, Victor.
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  I don't like it when you smile like that.
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  It's not a dead rubber exhibition game.
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  Or the World Cup.
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  It's not.
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  Right, now let's have a look at the clip drift moment of the game.
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  Victor, can you do the clip drift moment without choosing a scrum?
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  Of course I can.
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  Clip drift moment of the game, a 20-meter mole scoring under the poles.
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  There's just nothing more beautiful like that.
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  Like a symphony of clubs.
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  Orchestra going mad, everyone working together, forwards working hard, working out the All Blacks on the side, coming through again, Malcolm Marks holding it, scoring under the pulse.
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  There's just nothing prettier than that in Iraq again.
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  That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, Victor.
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  How can you get any sort of like, how can you be so animated about a mall?
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  My Clippy's moment was the try-by.
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  Did you hear this stadium yesterday?
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  Scrum.
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  Scrum.
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  Scrum.
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  How are we going to go?
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  No.
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  No.
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  Of course, we do it from a long way out.
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  Beautiful.
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  I mean, watching that mall is a bit like watching you and Brendan dance, mate.
• 16:46
  That's like...
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  There's some rhythm there.
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  No.
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  No, leave the dancing.
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  Into we too.
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  That's what we do.
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  My clip is...
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  I must say Brady pulled me into it.
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  I'm not a dancer.
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  My clip is...
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  My Clippy's moment was probably the try by Will Jordan.
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  You know, I'm exactly the opposite to Victor.
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  I just love when there's back play.
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  I think the set-up… No, no, no.
• 17:19
  We've won the series now yesterday, JK.
• 17:21
  You haven't won the series.
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  Aren't you going to get one Springbok Clip-Riff moment?
• 17:25
  You have not.
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  We won the series in South Africa yesterday.
• 17:28
  You have not won the series, Victor.
• 17:29
  You cannot say that.
• 17:32
  If you win 3-1, you've won the series.
• 17:34
  Okay.
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  So my Clippies moment was the Will Chauden dry.
• 17:40
  I just love seeing 15 guys getting involved.
• 17:45
  Victor loves seeing all his mates hugging each other and rolling and twisting and they call that a maul.
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  but I just love seeing outside backs play the game.
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  I love seeing a 15 man game, so there you go.
• 17:59
  It's not, I was just, I was being nice all day, Victor.
• 18:03
  Like, I was showing a lot of respect to you, even though, you know, you keep giving me shit yesterday on messages.
• 18:14
  I'm very humble.
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  So why are you winding me up?
• 18:17
  Why, I'm humble.
• 18:18
  Why are you winding me up saying that the series is over?
• 18:22
  Cause it's not.
• 18:23
  We've won it in South Africa.
• 18:25
  Two won in South Africa.
• 18:27
  Well, it's always a problem when one of the hosts is called Victor.
• 18:33
  But I think the way that we know whether the series has been decided, have you got the trophy in your headquarters?
• 18:43
  Has the trophy been awarded yet, Victor?
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  Victor?
• 18:46
  No, it's about the history.
• 18:48
  Trophies, it's about the history.
• 18:50
  The All Blacks has only won once in South Africa.
• 18:53
  That record is still in place.
• 18:56
  One more for the boxed, winning a series in South Africa.
• 18:59
  Now we're going for the exhibition match.
• 19:02
  Want to win that as well and take the trophy as well.
• 19:08
  JK, I don't want to see you wearing it, surely, ever again.
• 19:12
  I think we have half of it already.
• 19:13
  I think we have half of it already.
• 19:14
  He's still playing for it now.
• 19:17
  So annoying.
• 19:17
  You're so annoying, Victor.
• 19:19
  You're so annoying.
• 19:21
  I thought you were annoying, Riccardo, but you're actually quite good.
• 19:23
  No, Victor, you are annoying.
• 19:25
  I actually, I was watching the Supersport coverage, and just as I was relaxing, Victor's big smiling face kept popping up all the time, talking about scrums.
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  Every time they said to him, what part of the game are you going to look for?
• 19:39
  Let's focus on the scrums, you know?
• 19:42
  Well, you got that chant going in the stadium, mate.
• 19:45
  There's 85,000 savants going, scrum, scrum, scrum.
• 19:49
  That's what I say.
• 19:50
  Scrum, scrum.
• 19:53
  Awesome.
• 19:53
  I think that we need to get the drum out to get rhythm in that.
• 19:58
  There was a couple of times, though.
• 19:59
  There was a couple of times in the first half where I think you guys slowed the game down, which really annoyed me.
• 20:05
  When Sia went down for about five minutes, I thought you guys were really on the ropes.
• 20:09
  We need to keep...
• 20:11
  We need to keep the speed in the game, you know.
• 20:13
  Who ran out of gas in the second half?
• 20:15
  The Springbok or the All Black?
• 20:17
  What do you mean?
• 20:18
  We didn't run out of gas.
• 20:19
  We scored last.
• 20:20
  You did?
• 20:21
  We didn't run out of gas.
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  We scored the last try.
• 20:23
  After the game was over.
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  It's like after the series of one, everything, we just gave you something.
• 20:29
  So that you'd be positive for the exhibition game.
• 20:31
  Victor, the game is not over until the final.
• 20:34
  Was it too little, too late?
• 20:36
  I agree, but we didn't run out of gas, mate.
• 20:38
  We finished the strongest.
• 20:40
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• 20:49
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• 20:52
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• 20:55
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• 20:57
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• 20:59
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• 21:02
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• 21:14
  I think, JK, you need to go and rest your voice.
• 21:17
  I think South Africa's been too tough on you, and you're getting on.
• 21:22
  You need to go and put some lemon-honey drink and get in that Lazy Boy rocker and just relax.
• 21:29
  And Victor, can you stop annoying us so much, please?
• 21:33
  Yes.
• 21:36
  I'm looking forward to the exhibition match.
• 21:38
  Shut up.
• 21:38
  Then it will be series and exhibition match one.
• 21:41
  That will be fantastic.
• 21:43
  That's enough, Ricardo.
• 21:44
  I can't take Victor anymore.
• 21:45
  Let's go.
• 21:46
  The good thing is, the great thing about this relationship with Victor is I've got a stop button.