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September 1, 2026 - The Jewish Question? · Plausibly Live - The Dave Bowman Show Podcast

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From the plausibly live newsroom, this is your Morning
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News update. The Trump administration is
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asking a federal appeals court to permit new Postal Service
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requirements for mail ballots. Several states are challenging
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the rules, arguing that the president lacks authority to
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impose nationwide election procedures.
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Army Secretary Dan Driscoll is resigning after 18 months in
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office. The White House offered no
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reason, although several reports describe tensions with Defense
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Secretary Pete Higgseth. A government watchdog says
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maintenance delays cost the Navy's attack submarine force
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more than 15,000 operational days over the past decade.
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Two people are dead and one remains missing after flash
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flooding in the Grand Canyon. Approximately 80 people were
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rescued. And in baseball, the Mariners
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begin a critical series in Boston this afternoon.
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The M's begin the day six games back of the Astros in the
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division and 5 1/2 games out of the Wild Card race.
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The world is a complicated place.
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Fortunately, Dave Bowman has opinions, some informed, some
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inconvenient, and a few that may require supporting
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documentation, history, politics, and the absurdity of
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modern life. This is the Dave Bowman Show.
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Well, good morning, good evening or good afternoon, wherever you
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are, whatever you do. A lot of things happening in the
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world today, most of them are far beyond our control, you
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might say. So perhaps it's time we took a
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pause and thought about life and thought about the laws, you
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know, the actual supreme law of the land Constitution,
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submarines. What does it mean to be Jewish?
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You'd think we'd already answered that question, but
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apparently not. And the court system, criminal
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justice system, has managed to do something that the Dallas
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Cowboys have not. Who's surprised by that?
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Look, the Constitution tells us that states conduct elections.
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Congress can regulate them. But apparently the postmaster
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and the president may have discovered yet. 1/3 option could
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be arguably controversial, right?
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Trump administration has asked the First Circuit Court to lift
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its injunction it's temporary restraining order, and this
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would cause the states, including Washington, to provide
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the United States Postal Service with mail ballot recipient
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lists. Just let it marinate for a
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moment. Each ballot then receives a
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unique barcode and a ballot could be rejected.
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If the barcode or the voter information, I would assume that
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means the barcode and the voter information don't match up.
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So in other words, if the barcode says this person is
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going or this person is Dave living at this address and the
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voter information doesn't match that barcode, somehow or another
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it would reject that. I'm sure that it could be a
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functional system. I don't the technology is there.
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I'm not going to argue that, but it raises a lot of questions.
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Number one, I'm not sure I trust the Postal Service with mail
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ballot recipient list. I, I, we keep whining about, you
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know, privacy and stuff like that.
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It's conservative. We talk about the fact that,
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well, we don't like flock cameras because flock cameras
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are tracking us. Well, why are we OK with this?
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Because this is tracking you. Moreover, this program was
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created through an executive order by the president of the
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United States. Now, again, this isn't about the
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president per SE. It's about president and
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executive authority versus congressional legislation.
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And what does the Constitution actually say?
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The states run the elections. They can be regulated by
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Congress, but not controlled by Congress.
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Once you're once you're into that, that zone where Congress
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is controlling the elections, you have essentially federalized
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the elections. Now, there are many people who
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want that. I get it.
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There are people, there have been people since literally 1787
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who have wanted to do that. Alexander Hamilton famously
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wanted to do away with states governments and and just replace
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everything with the federal government.
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James Madison was in that camp, although quite not as not quite
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as vehement about it. So this idea that we are going
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to federalize something has been around for a long time, but it's
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not what the Constitution says. Now, there is a report that
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there is a whistleblower out there.
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Raise your hand if you're surprised by this, because I
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don't know who would be. But there's a whistleblower who
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claims that the supporting computer system was rushed,
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inadequately tested, kind of like voting machines, right?
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Not what it now, isn't that the problem we have with those?
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You know, we're all, we're all concerned about Skynet, but here
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we're turning over this whole thing to the Postal Service.
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Now, look, I get the argument. I, I have a very close relative
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who works for the Postal Service, and this is a constant
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jab between him and I. You're a federal employee.
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No, we're not. We're not federal employees only
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because of a technicality. Everything else is federalized.
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So we're basically handing these lists over the federal
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government, and that doesn't seem to bother us along the way.
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Again, the Constitution, state legislatures initially control
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the manner of the of the congressional elections.
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Now, Congress can alter some of those regulations under the
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Elections clause of the Constitution, but there is no
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assigning of any comparable election regulating power to the
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president of the United States, the executive of the United
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States. If you go back in history, one
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of the problems we had with King George the Third was that he was
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meddling in elections. He was buying elections.
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He was controlling elections. You may have heard the term
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rotten borough. That's where it comes from, the
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idea that the King was essentially buying parliamentary
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elections. There is no comparable power for
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the President of the United States to do that.
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UPSUSPS, sorry, can regulate the handling of mail, but can it
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determine whether a lawful state ballot is valid or not?
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It's, it's an uncomfortable question.
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It should be an uncomfortable question.
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Look, I get election integrity in the, in the, in the broadest
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sense of, of things. You will find that I am not one
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of those people that is convinced that there isn't
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cheating going along. I'll, I'll tell you something
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you don't know about me. I am firmly convinced based on
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circumstantial evidence, Yes, and all evidence is
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circumstantial, that there was significant malfeasance in the
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2020 election and that President Trump, I'll just say it probably
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won legitimately. But water under the bridge and
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#2 I personally believe that the Democrats screwed themselves by
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doing that. It was a stupid thing to do.
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It was a stupid thing to do because you've already had Trump
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hamstrung. You had control of Congress.
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You were just going to keep impeaching him, impeaching him,
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impeaching him. He wasn't going to get anything
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done. And guess what?
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In 2025, he would have been gone.
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Instead, you made him a martyr. Now, again, people are going to
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send me emails. I can already hear him going.
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You're you're an election denier.
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You just do that. No more than Hillary Clinton was
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in 2016. I'm convinced that there was
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some malfeasance going on. I think the circumstantial
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evidence of that is pretty strong.
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But I also believe that that has happened before.
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There was circumstantial evidence that 1960 was
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manipulated. Clearly 1876 was manipulated.
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The country survived all of that.
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The reality of it is that who is in the Oval Office isn't as
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important as the transitional functions of that and the fact
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that we maintain those. And it's a strange thing to say,
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I know, but reality is we survived Rutherford B Hayes, we
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survived Richard or John Kennedy, and we survived Joe
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Biden, barely. But we did.
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And in the process of that, every time there was that
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cheating. Look what happened after that.
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Look what happened after every case that there is strong
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evidence of of malfeasance in an election in 1876.
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What happened in 1880? Tada, the Democrats won.
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What happened in 1968? Richard Nixon was back.
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We didn't have him to kick around anymore, but now he's
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back. What happened in 2020?
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Biden won. But what happened in 2024?
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Not only did the Democrats lose, they got bitch slapped.
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Election integrity is the ultimate objective, but is this
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the best way to achieve that? And is this method
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constitutional? I got to be honest, if I'm
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sitting in a judge seat right now, I'm going to have some
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serious questions for the administration's attorney.
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Explain to me where in the Constitution the president of
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the United States can do this? Where?
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Where is the congressional authorization of this?
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Because if there isn't any, I don't see the argument making
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this, you know, staying there. Yes, barcodes could establish
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tracking, chain of custody, all that kind of stuff, and maybe
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put a stop to some of the shenanigans that have gone on.
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The problem is, of course, if we wait till the litigation ends
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over this, we may not be prepared for November.
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Which raises the question, is that what we're all about?
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I don't know. Federal elections could create a
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legitimate national interest. There could be that argument.
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Does it? Does it need uniform safeguards?
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Is the the Constitution needing to be amended to make this that
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way? The real question though,
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becomes and, and this is where it gets introspective and where
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we have to think about things. If this were reversed, reverse
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it 180°, if this was Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton or Barack
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Obama recommending this exact same thing, signing this exact
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same executive order, how would we react?
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I'll wait. Can the United States Postal
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Service refuse a ballot that complies with state laws?
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In other words, if it if it matches the state's laws, which
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are supposed to control it? Does the United States Postal
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Service, one of the least effective, poorest run, most
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useless organizations in the entire federal government?
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Yes, you are. Can they decide that a state law
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doesn't matter? And what remedies exist if my
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ballot gets rejected by a a defective database or a USPS
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employee that just decides he doesn't count?
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And why hasn't Congress decided to enact these legislative
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requirements themselves? Those are questions that we
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don't have answers to, folks. And while I get it, while I
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understand we're all concerned, we're all still mad.
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We're all still a little butt hurt over 2020.
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I got it. But reality is, do we violate
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the Constitution because of that?
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I, I can't go with you on that. Be right back.
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Welcome back. It's plausibly live The Dave
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Bowman Show. There's a distinction between
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the two, by the way, and plausibly live is the podcast.
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The Dave Bowman Show is the live version.
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So if you're listening to the live version on podcast, it's
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If you're listening to it live, there's just the Dave Bowman
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Show. But since you're probably not
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listening to it live this morning because I've driven to
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advertise to you, it's plausibly live.
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The Dave Bowman Show podcast, a term which, by the way, I
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outright stole from a good friend of mine and also who's
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also in the biz, who taught me that phrase plausibly live
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because he does. At the time he was doing a
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national sports show and because of time, because he had to be
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somewhere else, he was recording a show at like 3:00 in the
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morning. And he used that term.
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Well, it's plausibly live. Every recording it as is live,
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which is something I've always done.
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I've always recorded my show as live as if it's live.
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I don't edit things out. Occasionally, if there's a
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technical problem, I'll edit something out, but I don't edit
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it for content at all. Don't do that with What the
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Frock. Don't do it with Dave does
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history it Well, no, I can't say that for Dave does history.
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I do edit Dave does history for content because, well,
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unfortunately, sometimes things are out of control, out of my
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control and they don't belong in the shop.
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But there you go. That's why that's hence the name
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plausibly live, which is a name that I very much like.
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And indeed, I had a conversation with him some years ago about
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that, told him I flat out stole that from you, which he he then
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graciously granted his his blessing upon.
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So. So it's not like I just stole it
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stole it. Get over your line.
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More than 15,000 attacks submarine operational days lost
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from fiscal years 2016 to 2025. So if you haven't been keeping
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up with this, the Navy has a huge problem.
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The country has a huge problem with maintaining our naval
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vessels. And while this story
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particularly focuses on submarines because I'm a
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submariner, the fact is it's it's affecting the entire Navy.
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The lack of shipyards, the lack of maintenance facilities, and
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the lack of conducting maintenance has cost an
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additional repairs needed $3.4 billion in that time.
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And of course this leads to maintenance backlogs, at least
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to inefficient shipyard capacity and indeed some of the
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submarines. This is the ridiculous part.
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I think it was the US Boise if I remember right.
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Trying to remember the name. I'm I'm sure it was the Boise.
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Fully crude, fully manned, but can't dive.
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She'd lost her dive certification because time had
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expired and she hadn't made it into the yards yet.
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And so she literally sat next to the pier for something like 5 or
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7 years, couldn't move, couldn't operate.
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Just waiting for a shipyard to say, yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll
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handle you now. Can you imagine that?
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Look, I, I was in the Navy, talked about this numerous
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times. I was blessed in a lot of ways.
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Number one, I never had to do a yard period.
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OK, maybe that's just luck on my part.
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I don't know. I never had a mess cook either.
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But I everybody tells me, and I've talked to people that have
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been there, the yards just suck. Being in the yards just it's
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terrible. Your ship is torn apart.
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You have to live in a barracks on a barge, unless you're, you
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know, renting an apartment somewhere or house somewhere.
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The workloads are absurd. If there's even anything to do,
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if you can even get on your ship, there's the workloads are
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ridiculous. It's depressing.
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You're not doing what you signed up to do.
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Remember the the mother from the Abraham Lincoln sailor who who
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told CBS News that, quote, her son didn't sign up to be on a
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ship in the middle of the ocean? I'm making that up.
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She said that, well, when you're in the yards, believe me,
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talking to people that have been there, the one place you want to
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be is out in the middle of the ocean because then you feel like
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you're doing something in the yards.
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You don't feel like you're doing things.
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You don't have control over your own ship.
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You don't have any of this stuff.
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And so I never having been in the yards myself, although I
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have been through refits which are similar, just much shorter,
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you know, 25 days. It's a pain in the ass and it's,
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it leaves the crew morale very low.
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Some of the lowest morale crews you'll ever see are those crews
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that are in the yards for, for LinkedIn here in Bremerton, we
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had a, a, a carrier that was in the yards here for some years.
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And I'm trying to remember who it was.
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Was it the Washington? I don't remember.
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Anyway, the point is that they had multiple suicides that they
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were blaming on being in the yards because it lowers morale.
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It sucks. I, I think it's a more important
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thing to consider that there are operational consequences to
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having this problem with the yards.
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It leads to fewer missions, fewer deployments, which means
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that we're not getting stuff done that we need to get done.
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And I've, I got to be very careful how I say this.
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Much of what attacks submarines do is known as intelligence
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missions. A submarine is a wonderful
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platform for gathering intelligence.
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I don't know if you knew that or not.
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Don't know if you care, but if they're not out there, we're not
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gathering that intelligence. It leads to less crew training,
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which means less proficiency. It's greater pressure on the
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submarines that are still available.
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Now they're having to go out. Although I got to be honest with
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you, that doesn't. That never bothered us as much,
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I don't think. Did we complain about it, all of
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the Abraham Lincoln sailors? Absolutely.
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But given the choice between an up tempo operational system and
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sitting in the yards, you're not going to find a sailor who says,
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yeah, I want to sit in the yards, put me there.
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Of course, the problem then that is that it wears on the boats
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that are out there, which means that they need to go to the
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yards sooner. And if you have simultaneous
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crises, well, could be a problem.
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Now, that leaves us to the questions that Congress is
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having to wrestle with right now.
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Should we buy more submarines or fix the maintenance capacity?
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Why not both? Would another public shipyard
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materially solve the problem? Remember, we closed a bunch of
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shipyards. Mayor Island, one down South,
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can't remember the name. We, we, we closed shipyards
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under the Breck program, the, you know, the end of the Cold
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War. What if we had those back?
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What about employment? Do do we have the skills to
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actually do these things anymore?
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And if we start transferring submarines to Australia as part
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of the AUCUS plan, how does that affect our own shortage?
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Those are questions that haven't been answered yet.
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And those are questions that are going to have to be answered or
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the problem is just going to get worse as we go along.
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And therein lies the issue in all this.
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We're watching it, but I don't know what we're going to do
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about it. I don't think Congress does
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either. Stay with her.
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We'll be right back. Welcome back.
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It's me, Dave. It is the Dave Bowman Show.
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So the state of California has introduced a bill.
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Maybe you saw this, maybe you didn't.
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I don't know. They have introduced a new bill,
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Senate Bill 1387 by Democrat State Senator Harry Stern.
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I've been out of California politics for almost a decade,
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couldn't tell you who this guy is, but the bill defines
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ethnicity in California law as inclusive of Jewish identity.
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The idea here is beginning the January 1st, 2029, there would
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be a a new state agency. No, it's it's an old state
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agency. They're already asked
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Californians to identify them. Race, ancestry or ethnicity
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would generally have the option to include Jewish ancestry or
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ethnicity. Does this.
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It would not require every California resident to answer
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the question. The option would be quote UN
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quote voluntary. It's only available on forms
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that already collect racial or ethnic into information and it
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is selectable alongside of these other categories.
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So you know how that is, are you white, Hispanic, white, non
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Hispanic, white African? You know you can you can click
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all these things, which is that can get you in trouble if you're
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not careful. Once Upon a time, I clicked
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Other. Ben was starting kindergarten,
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and I clicked Other. And then it said what other?
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And I wrote Klingon just as a joke.
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Everybody in the world knew it was a joke.
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And then my wife gets a call from the school because they
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don't have Klingon support at the school.
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And while they get the joke, apparently the state of
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California would not. And so there you go.
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The information would collect the individual responses, but
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only aggregate and define statistics could be published,
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whatever the hell that means. They couldn't identify
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information about an individual purpose person even though my
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ballot could because it would have a barcode on it.
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Agencies, this is where we get nerve racking.
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Here. Agencies must employ minimum
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reporting thresholds and other de identification methods.
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The data may only be used for democratic demographic, not
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democratic demographic analysis. Approved research, reporting,
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identifying disparities, and guiding policy or funding cannot
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legally legally be used to create a registry of individuals
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and cannot be used by law enforcement or immigration
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enforcement. Well OK, but if the whole point
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is to support anti-Semitic crime or to fight anti-Semitic crime,
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why couldn't law enforcement use it?
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Doesn't that seem kind of counter supporters argue that
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the current forms in use tend to make Jews statistically
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disappear. Most Jews, according to this or
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many Jews check white for race and receive no opportunity to
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identify their Jewish ancestry, which results in discrimination
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against Jews, unemployment or economic disparities, health
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trends within Jewish communities and there are some genetic
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illnesses that affect Jews more than other people.
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Jewish representation in schools and public programs, which is
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odd because we're not supposed to allow that anyway.
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Distribution of government services.
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OK. And of course anti-Semitic
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incidents motivated by ancestry rather than religious practice.
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Jewish organizations, of course, are coming out cautiously or
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anti this arguing that treating Jews as one ethnicity
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oversimplifies a diverse population.
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Ashkenazi, Sephardic misery, Ethiopian, Indian, Latino, other
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Jewish communities possess different geographic origins,
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cultural experiences and converts such as myself further
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compliment complicate any definition based on ancestry.
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I have no Jewish ancestry. I'm, it, I'm, I'm, I'm the first
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one in my, in my entire family going back to the 1617, I think
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now we have where my ancestors came to America, not as Jews.
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They were German. They were probably Lutheran.
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In fact, they were Lutheran. Opponents also argue that
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California does not ordinarily place individual religions
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inside its ethnic classifications.
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Recognizing Judaism alone as both a religion and an ethnicity
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could create unequal legal trip treatment or blur distinguish
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blur distinctions amongst religion, ancestry and race.
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It's early in the morning, folks.
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It's early in the morning. My eyes aren't working.
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The argument then becomes confused when people ask, are
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Jews a race? This bill does not declare Jews
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a race. It places Jewish identity within
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ancestry and ethnicity data while a while allowing
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respondents to select or additional categories.
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So if my ethnicity and ancestry aren't Jewish, but I am
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according to the state of California, is there a race or
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not? If government policy then, is
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driven by demographic data, can Jews afford not to be counted?
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Given our history, can we afford to be counted?
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Remember that Once Upon a time there was a group of people who
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define Jews basically as, you know, anybody with Jewish blood.
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And interestingly enough, in their laws of 193534, somewhere
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in there they also wrote that anybody who chooses to worship
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as a Jew is considered Jewish and should be treated as such
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under our system. Well, SB1387 shares a conceptual
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feature with that It treats Jewish identity as ancestry or
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ethnicity, rather than solely as a religion, which matters
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because legal categories can outlive the people who created
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them, especially in a state that has term limits.
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The final bill says the information cannot be used to
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create a registry or for law enforcement or immigration
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purposes. That's meaningful, but they're
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statutory protections and statutes can be amended.
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As we've seen in the past, data braces, databases, databases can
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be breached, administrative rules can change.
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Information collected by one agencies can someone times into
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somewhere else and maybe an executive decides that those
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laws don't apply to him anymore. Then what happens?
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Where does this end up? Makes me nervous.
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Glad I don't live in California but you know Washington will
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follow. Start to lose my voice again.
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It's just weird because it's early in the morning.
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Do you know that 57% of Canadians oppose higher tariffs
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on Canadian goods? 22% support them.
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Who cares? 63% of Canadians oppose renaming
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Lake Ontario Whoop Dee Doo whoop Dee freaking do.
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Yesterday there was a verdict in the Tupac shooting murder case.
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Do you remember this? I, I remember look, I, I'm not a
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huge rap fan. I never have been.
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There are some of it that I like.
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Tupac was never one of my favorites, but it was a human
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interest story to follow and he had the old East Coast, West
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Coast rivalry thing going on. They convicted a guy yesterday
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by the name of Dwayne Davis, convicted of first degree
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murder, arguing that he organized the attack, he didn't
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actually fire the weapons, and apparently his own years of
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interviews, boasts, published statements became the central
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evidence against him. Which means that since Tupac was
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murdered, the legal system has managed to find can convict the
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man who did it. And the Dallas Cowboys haven't
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won a playoff game since then. Just food for thought.
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Just some ideas, you know, kind of lay upon that whole thing.
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I don't know why that strikes me as funny as I, but it does.
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Look, the common thread today has been very simply this The
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possession and performance are different things.
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The president possesses power, but that doesn't mean that
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everything he or she or it does is constitutional.
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And if our entire mindset is, well, it's my guy, so it's OK,
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That's not constitutional either.
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The Navy possesses submarines, but that doesn't mean that they
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can go to sea. And if they're not going to see
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they're not doing what we paid them for.
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Government is very good, very good at counting what it has.
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The harder question is whether any of it actually, you know,
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works. Those are questions we're going
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to have to answer. Those are questions we're going
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to have to wrestle with. And those are questions we don't
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have answers to today and we don't have time to get any
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further into it. Take the time right now.
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Tell the people that matter in your life, you love them very
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much. You'd miss them if they weren't
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there. So don't pass up those
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opportunities. You don't want to have those
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regrets. I'm Dave Bowman.
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This is my show, Plausibly Live, The Dave Bowman Show podcast,
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and we'll see you next time right here.