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8-20-26 - Peyton Watson traded to Cavs/Sean Payton at the Podium/Keeping 3 QBs, how did we get here? · The Appetizer Hour with Brett Kane

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Speaker 2: This is exactly what I feared. I exactly what I feared.
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Speaker 2: It's not even talking about the entire offseason. It's what
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Speaker 2: I said, is the the one sort of thing, the
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Speaker 2: one detail, the one outcome that if it came down
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Speaker 2: to this, it would feel like a disaster. And I
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Speaker 2: can't help it because this was last night, and so
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Speaker 2: I get to, uh, I suppose react emotionally this morning,
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Speaker 2: because I am emotional about this, and you don't know
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Speaker 2: what your emotion's going to be until you see it.
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Speaker 2: And I'm just gonna be honest with you. I hate it.
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Speaker 2: I hate the Watson trade. And this can all change
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Speaker 2: with some move that's made down the line. Maybe you
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Speaker 2: acquire some capital so that you can make X trade happen,
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Speaker 2: which leads to HY trade happening, which makes you feel better.
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Speaker 2: Maybe they signed DeMar Derosen down the line, but there's
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Speaker 2: gonna be complications with that that I'll get to in
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Speaker 2: a little bit. Just on the surface, this is how
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Speaker 2: I've always felt And I know there's different people who
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Speaker 2: feel a different kind of way about this, but for me,
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Speaker 2: when you discuss what Peyton Watson is as a player
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Speaker 2: and what he could be, and what the Nuggets need
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Speaker 2: in the short term and what the Nuggets need in
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Speaker 2: the long term, I think that everything surrounding that leads
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Speaker 2: me to say that I thought Peyton Watson was a
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Speaker 2: high priority to take. And here's what I knew, Like
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Speaker 2: this is why this isn't necessarily a surprise, but the
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Speaker 2: surprise is who we have decided to take a bath
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Speaker 2: in the trade on. And that's my beef. I knew
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Speaker 2: that somebody out of that group of players, whether it
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Speaker 2: was Watson or Cam Johnson or Aaron Gordon or someone
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Speaker 2: you were going to have to make a trade that
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Speaker 2: you're going to see the results of and say, yuh,
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Speaker 2: that was going to happen. And that is a result,
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Speaker 2: Like you know what happened. You ran up a tab,
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Speaker 2: and you kept running up a tab, and you kept
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Speaker 2: making poor decisions and then finally the bartender said, hey,
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Speaker 2: it's time.
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Speaker 3: In the last thing year is I think I just
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Speaker 3: made a too easy.
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Speaker 2: No more IOUs, no more nothing else. It's time. And
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Speaker 2: my problem with this is if you were choosing to
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Speaker 2: take a wash on a trade, Peyton Watson out of
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Speaker 2: the names that I mentioned, would have been the least
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Speaker 2: that I would have been willing to do. And that
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Speaker 2: is nothing against Aaron Gordon, whom I love. That is
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Speaker 2: nothing against Cam Johnson, who I think is a great player.
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Speaker 2: But I cannot trust Aaron Gordon to stay healthy anymore
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Speaker 2: and that's a big problem. And Cam Johnson, to his credit,
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Speaker 2: played pretty well in the postseason. But here's the problem.
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Speaker 2: Cam Johnson's entering the last year of his contract. I
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Speaker 2: highly doubt Cam Johnson's coming back after next year. And
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Speaker 2: what I think Peyton Watson fit was short term, what
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Speaker 2: you needed three point shooting, offensive potential, and defense flexibility, youth.
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Speaker 2: He fit that all in the short term as well
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Speaker 2: as fitting that in the long term. And maybe I
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Speaker 2: value Peyton Watson higher than others, and I totally get it.
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Speaker 2: I totally understand, but I'm just being honest where I
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Speaker 2: think that Peyton Watson is Like I think about it
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Speaker 2: this way now, Like, tell me if this makes sense.
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Speaker 2: You drafted somebody who averaged the least points in NBA
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Speaker 2: history for a first round pick. He averaged three points
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Speaker 2: per game. He barely played in college. You take that player,
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Speaker 2: you take him to the NBA, You slowly integrate him
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Speaker 2: into the NBA rotation. He doesn't play really at all
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Speaker 2: at the beginning, a little bit in year two, little
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Speaker 2: bit more year three, and then in this final year
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Speaker 2: he has bloss in a way of Wow, this guy
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Speaker 2: can shoot, this guy can score, this guy plays great defense,
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Speaker 2: this guy's super athletic. You've developed him into an NBA player.
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Speaker 2: And then he goes, I want twenty two million dollars
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Speaker 2: a year, which, by the way, is exactly what I
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Speaker 2: think Peyton Watson's worth. I don't think that's unreasonable at all.
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Speaker 2: If they were beefing about negotiations of well, I think
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Speaker 2: he's in the eighteen million dollar range, and he goes, well,
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Speaker 2: I think I'm in twenty five to twenty seven million dollars.
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Speaker 2: It's right down the middle. It's right what I think
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Speaker 2: the Peyton Watson is as a player. And you did
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Speaker 2: all of that development to wave by for a first
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Speaker 2: round pick five years from now. It just doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 2: Doesn't make sense to me.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Brett, that's the that's the reason I'm I'm trying
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Speaker 4: to be patient. I'm trying to wait for the next step,
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Speaker 4: whatever it is, because they.
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Speaker 2: Can have more coming. There could be stuff that can
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Speaker 2: solve this. But I'm just reacting the moment.
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Speaker 4: No, it's not. There could be something that's gonna come.
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Speaker 4: There better be something that comes, because otherwise you ship
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Speaker 4: this bright young prospect off for picks five and six
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Speaker 4: years from now while you're in the Jokic window? Are
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Speaker 4: you kidding me? Well, here's the five what's the draft
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Speaker 4: pick in five years is gonna do for horseboy? Now,
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Speaker 4: that's why I'm saying, like, this better not be the end.
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Speaker 4: There better be something else coming.
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Speaker 2: You can't be Well, here's the thing, though, Nelly, They're
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Speaker 2: still not under the second apron, So what what can
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Speaker 2: be coming after this? And my assumption's going to be
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Speaker 2: they're probably going to attach that second round pick that
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Speaker 2: they acquired that's in twenty thirty two to get rid
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Speaker 2: of Zeke and that would get you under the second
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Speaker 2: apron barely. And I just read a report that tomor Derosen,
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Speaker 2: as much as the Nuggets are interested in acquiring him,
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Speaker 2: he wants ten to fifteen million dollars. Well, how's that
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Speaker 2: gonna work? Even if you get rid of Zeke, and
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Speaker 2: that's the other thing in this trade, you couldn't. There
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Speaker 2: was no way to attach Zeke's Nase's contract with it,
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Speaker 2: so you don't have to make a subsequent trade to
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Speaker 2: get rid of that one. I just I'm sort of
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Speaker 2: at a loss for what the return is. You got
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Speaker 2: a future asset that means nothing in the Jokich window,
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Speaker 2: and I again, you can package that into a trade
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Speaker 2: anytime in the next few years. That's understood. All I'm
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Speaker 2: saying is this is a trade in which I don't
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Speaker 2: think anybody can deny this aspect of it. You know,
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Speaker 2: this is an opinion show. Sports radio is an opinion thing,
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Speaker 2: and sports in general is set for everybody to have
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Speaker 2: an opinion if you're a fan. One thing that I
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Speaker 2: think is undeniable in this trade is that you took
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Speaker 2: a wash. There was a trade that is going to
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Speaker 2: happen this offseason in which the result would come and
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Speaker 2: you'd say yuck. And all I asked for was that.
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Speaker 2: Don't make that the Peyton Watson trade. Don't make that
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Speaker 2: for the only true asset outside of Joker in Jamal
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Speaker 2: that you have on this team. Don't do it. Because
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Speaker 2: everybody else that we've discussed, like this is what's crazy.
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Speaker 2: If you go and look at the Nuggets roster, Jokich
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Speaker 2: is an asset, and Jamal Murray is an asset, and
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Speaker 2: Cam Johnson is a little bit of an asset, and
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Speaker 2: Aaron Gordon is an asset. But the injury problems attached
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Speaker 2: to the contract, and Christian Brown isn't and nobody on
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Speaker 2: the bench really is. Peyton Watson was the only other one.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to take the wash on the asset.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't. It's like if you traded Jamal in the
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Speaker 2: return for Jamal made you go, that's it. That's a problem.
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Speaker 2: If they traded Cam and I said, that's it, I'd
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Speaker 2: be willing to live with that. Even with ag I'd
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Speaker 2: be willing to live with it because you would get,
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Speaker 2: first of all, financial flexibility in a much bigger way
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Speaker 2: than the Peyton Watson contract. And the injury problems are
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Speaker 2: just it's too much to ignore, and it actually says okay,
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Speaker 2: but they had to because of salary cap purposes. I
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Speaker 2: don't think you're listening to me. The thing that I'm
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Speaker 2: not doing is taking the bath on the Peyton Watson trade.
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Speaker 2: I would make that somebody else. If somebody said, Okay,
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Speaker 2: here you go, h Johnson. We acquire him and you
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Speaker 2: get cash considerations in return, or we refill it becomes moneyball,
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Speaker 2: we refill your vending machines for a year, I'd have
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Speaker 2: been like, okay, Texas says, and a lot of people
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Speaker 2: feel this way. If we get the mars Rozen, it's fine.
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Speaker 2: If we get the Mark. If the Nuggets get the
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Speaker 2: mar De Rozan, it's better better. But you're trading a
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Speaker 2: twenty three year old with big potential for a thirty
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Speaker 2: seven year old that you don't know how much game
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Speaker 2: he's got left. Again, the mar DeRozan is a salve.
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Speaker 2: And all the reports after this is that the Nuggets
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Speaker 2: have pivoted hard who getting the mar De Rozan. But
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Speaker 2: when I saw the report that he wants ten to
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Speaker 2: fifteen million dollars, I'm like, well, where where does that fit?
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Speaker 2: So I don't know. Again, this is me reacting emotionally,
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Speaker 2: like I I it's hard for me to evaluate anything
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Speaker 2: further when I don't know what's coming next. And trust me,
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Speaker 2: there are things going next or that are coming next,
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Speaker 2: because you have like five roster spots to fill so
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Speaker 2: things have to be done. But then it's like how
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Speaker 2: much farther is this gonna go? Texter says Peyton Watson
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Speaker 2: isn't an asset. We haven't seen them play with the
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Speaker 2: starters or in a single playoff game. The Nuggets can
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Speaker 2: make it to the playoffs, no problem. When you when
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Speaker 2: the guys didn't perform, we lost. You can't just assume
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Speaker 2: that Pee Watt would have been good in the playoffs.
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Speaker 2: Jamal was great this season, didn't perform in the playoffs.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what he would have been in the playoffs.
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Speaker 2: I don't But for a team that is so hamstrung
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Speaker 2: in mistakes that were made in the past, getting rid
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Speaker 2: of the guy who's twenty three years old with potential,
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Speaker 2: actual potential seems to be a problem with me. Like
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Speaker 2: you're saying, I don't know or we don't know what
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Speaker 2: that would be in the postseason or with the starters
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Speaker 2: or whatever, and I would agree with you. You would
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Speaker 2: also have to agree with me that the leap that
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Speaker 2: he made this year is a very tantalizing thing, especially
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Speaker 2: for a guy who's twenty three. This isn't a thirty
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Speaker 2: year old, he's twenty three. He's barely played basketball still
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Speaker 2: to this day since high school. There's a lot of
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Speaker 2: more room for growth. So again I'm just I'm shooting
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Speaker 2: you straight, is what I'm doing. So how I feel now?
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Speaker 2: This could change in a week much in the same
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Speaker 2: way that last year when they announced the hiring of
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Speaker 2: the Tenser and Wallace group, everybody was up at arms
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Speaker 2: for about five days, and then by the time the
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Speaker 2: weekend finished, it was everybody thought they were great. This
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Speaker 2: same thing could happen, But as of right now, my
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Speaker 2: problem is I still don't see a path forward in
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Speaker 2: getting better. And I knew, no matter what if you
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Speaker 2: were trading Peyton Watson, if you were trading Aaron Gordon,
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Speaker 2: or if you were trading Cam Johnson, you would not
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Speaker 2: be a better basketball team than what were last year.
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Speaker 2: I knew it. It was just a matter of who
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Speaker 2: were you willing to take the hit on. And that's it.
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Speaker 2: back after this, all right, a lot of stuff we
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Speaker 2: got to get to here. Do you want to get
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Speaker 2: to some Sean Payton audio as we go along as well?
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Speaker 2: But I just I feel like this is just it's
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Speaker 2: it's too much, too big to ignore, And in the
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Speaker 2: case of a few texts coming in, I do want
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Speaker 2: to read a few of these, and I appreciate your perspective,
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Speaker 2: so keep them coming in. Texture says I hate the trade, Brett,
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Speaker 2: but you got to take a step back. You said,
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Speaker 2: in the same sentence, I don't know what he'll be
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Speaker 2: in the playoffs, and he's barely played basketball since high school.
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Speaker 2: Big reason for that is health. Twenty three year old
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Speaker 2: that can't stay on the court isn't going to get
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Speaker 2: any better as he gets older. I mean, he was
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Speaker 2: hurt this year. It's not like he wasn't playing his
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Speaker 2: rookie season because he was hurt. He just he wasn't
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Speaker 2: wasn't ready. But I guess this is sort of my
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Speaker 2: entire point. When you make you take the risk of
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Speaker 2: drafting somebody who scored three points per game in college,
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Speaker 2: you develop him into a player, only to flip him.
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Speaker 2: That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. And
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Speaker 2: you know, here's the way I feel about it. If
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Speaker 2: there was anybody on this roster that I think in
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Speaker 2: the playoffs and in the future could elevate the nugget
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Speaker 2: status and keep them in the fold, I think it's him.
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Speaker 2: Because again, no matter what, you were going to come
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Speaker 2: out of this offseason a worse team than you did
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Speaker 2: the year before. You know, second Apron stuff and paying
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Speaker 2: tax body and all of that. Could you do it?
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Speaker 2: Yeah you could, But there's a reason not a single
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Speaker 2: other team is in this second Apron and it's less financial,
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Speaker 2: although I would almost guarantee some of it is financial,
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Speaker 2: But the main thing is it's not basketball savvy. The
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Speaker 2: team that just won the title last year said there
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Speaker 2: is no way we're going in the second Apron, and
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Speaker 2: that's the Knicks. So to me, it's who are you?
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Speaker 2: Where are you going to make the cut? If I
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Speaker 2: owe somebody ten thousand dollars, am I gonna sell them
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Speaker 2: my house? Or am I gonna sell them my car?
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Speaker 2: These are the decisions you have to make or my
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Speaker 2: car and something else or whatever. And I just think
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Speaker 2: the Nuggets chose the wrong thing to lose on because
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Speaker 2: this is a loss. They have a draft pick, a
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Speaker 2: first round draft pick that's in five years. Great. Could
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Speaker 2: that become valuable in five years? Could the calves be
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Speaker 2: terrible in twenty thirty and then you're picking, you know,
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Speaker 2: in the top ten or something. Sure, could you flip
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Speaker 2: that asset for something else down the road, Yes, But
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Speaker 2: it's it's the realization that the Denver Nuggets heading into
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Speaker 2: this year. I mean, you were a team that lost
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Speaker 2: in the first round in six games, and you lost
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Speaker 2: your best shooter. Peyton Watson's probably your best, if not
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Speaker 2: a top two defender on the team, So lose him,
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Speaker 2: you lose a backup center, and you acquire somebody who
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Speaker 2: played in Europe two rookies, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: That's what I'm looking at, and that's what the bummer is.
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Speaker 2: And yes, Nikola Jokic, no matter what, will take you
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Speaker 2: to the playoffs, but that's not the goal. The goal
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Speaker 2: with Jokic right now in his career is not to
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Speaker 2: just hey, I hope we get in. It's to have
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Speaker 2: confidence that you could do something. I'll tell you this.
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Speaker 2: If all the stars align, if you get a healthy
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Speaker 2: Aeron Gordon for an entire playoff run, if you get
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Speaker 2: Jamal Murray that rises back to his playoff form, like
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Speaker 2: you could still be a load for another team to handle.
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Speaker 2: Like that could happen. But I told you at the
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Speaker 2: very beginning, I'm reacting emotionally here. That's happening because this
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Speaker 2: is how I feel in the moment. And they could
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Speaker 2: make subsequent trades or changes in the next week or
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Speaker 2: two weeks or before the season starts or whatever that
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Speaker 2: could make me feel a lot better about this, But
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Speaker 2: right now how I feel, and I guess my main
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Speaker 2: issue with this is this was all a negotiation, right,
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Speaker 2: this was we're trying to find the right price. We
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Speaker 2: saw a whole bunch of different sort of a lot
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Speaker 2: of different information coming out about well, the Nuggets want
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Speaker 2: to offer him in somewhere the eighteen million dollar range,
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Speaker 2: but Peyton Watson wants to be paid more than Christian Brown.
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Speaker 2: And I think reasonably a lot of people would have said, well,
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Speaker 2: if he's paid more than Christian Brown, that feels like
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Speaker 2: you're way overpaying for what his production has been so far.
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Speaker 2: And I agreed, twenty two million dollars a year doesn't
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Speaker 2: sound like that bad of a deal. Really doesn't sounds
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Speaker 2: like exactly the kind of player that Peyton Watson is
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Speaker 2: at this moment, and it sounds like a deal that
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Speaker 2: you could be in two years saying this is an
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Speaker 2: absolute steal of a contract. So look, I'll drop this.
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Speaker 2: But the next thing is what's coming. You have roster
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Speaker 2: spots to fill still, and in this trade. Another part
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Speaker 2: of this to me that's disappointing is that you didn't
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Speaker 2: even get you didn't even get under the apron. You're
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Speaker 2: still in the same spot that you were before Peyton
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Speaker 2: Watson the trade from a financial standpoint, So now there
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Speaker 2: needs to be subsequent moves first that are made to
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Speaker 2: get out of the apron before you can do anything else,
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Hey, they're targeting DeMar Derozen
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Speaker 2: not if you're still in the apron. And if you
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Speaker 2: went out in and made the Peyton Watson trade and
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Speaker 2: the next thing that we see is Zeke Nasey, who,
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Speaker 2: by the way, he makes eight million dollars a year.
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Speaker 2: It's not like this is going to completely free you
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Speaker 2: up from Oh thank god, we can breathe now you
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Speaker 2: not really. I mean, I'll look this up. At the
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Speaker 2: moment where the Nuggets are at, how far into the
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Speaker 2: second apron are the Nuggets cause one point three million
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Speaker 2: dollars over the second apron threshold. If you traded Zeke
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Speaker 2: nause that would put you somewhere around seven million dollars
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Speaker 2: under that. If the marge Erosen wants ten to fifteen,
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Speaker 2: you still aren't in that territory, which means more moves
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Speaker 2: need to be made. But how can you make more
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Speaker 2: moves of cutting people if if you need to fill
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Speaker 2: out roster spots like this is where I'm just I'm like, okay,
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Speaker 2: got it again. The tab came due and somebody was
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Speaker 2: gonna have to pay for it. I just this is
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Speaker 2: the entire scenario that I feared when this offseason started.
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Speaker 2: Was the one thing that felt to me, like, what
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Speaker 2: you can't do is let Peyton Watson walk for either
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Speaker 2: one nothing or two take a deal in which you
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Speaker 2: get sort of screwed. And that's why I'm reacting the
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Speaker 2: way I am this morning. Uh three h three five
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Speaker 2: four nine two five, Still a lot more to get to.
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Speaker 2: One more text here he says, you're off on multiple items.
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Speaker 2: Rich Paul and Clutch Sports were overvaluing Peyton Watson. I
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Speaker 2: don't disagree with that at all. I said that from
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Speaker 2: the beginning. I thought that they were doing Peyton Watson
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Speaker 2: a disservice for whatever they were telling him. If they
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Speaker 2: thought he was getting all, you know, twenty five to
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Speaker 2: thirty million dollars a year, I thought that was crazy.
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Speaker 2: He said, two proof that the second Apron needs changed,
24:55
Speaker 2: even the owners don't like it now. Of course, I
24:59
Speaker 2: don't know why I'm off. These are two things that
25:02
Speaker 2: I totally agree with. He says, hometown homegrown team is
25:05
Speaker 2: being penalized. Been talking about that forever so from the
25:07
Speaker 2: same page on one and two. Three, Zeke Nasee needs
25:13
Speaker 2: to be traded. Still on the same page. Don't know
25:15
Speaker 2: what we're being off now. Four CB was overvalued, Yes, absolutely.
25:22
Speaker 2: In five, the Nuggets have been rewarding homegrown talent. The
25:25
Speaker 2: Nuggets have the highest payroll. I don't know anywhere that
25:27
Speaker 2: I'm off. I've said all of those things a number
25:31
Speaker 2: of different times. The biggest disagreement that I have with
25:34
Speaker 2: some Nuggets fans is what the evaluation of Peyton Watson is.
25:39
Speaker 2: And I look at somebody who's twenty three years old
25:41
Speaker 2: who grew his offensive game into a forty percent three
25:44
Speaker 2: point shooter, could score inside, and is potentially and probably
25:50
Speaker 2: your best defender on the floor, who's twenty three years old.
25:52
Speaker 2: Didn't want to let it.
25:53
Speaker 5: Walk, which I don't think sounds unreasonable. Don't best defender
26:05
Speaker 5: on the team twenty three years old? Offensive game blossoming
26:08
Speaker 5: is something that he's shooting forty percent from three, he
26:10
Speaker 5: can score inside, he can do a lot of different things,
26:13
Speaker 5: super athletic.
26:14
Speaker 2: It sounds like a guy that you would won on
26:16
Speaker 2: your roster and in twenty thirty one. I mean not
26:22
Speaker 2: to go full family guy on you, but it's like
26:26
Speaker 2: I mean, Peyton Watson's Peyton Watson. But the twenty thirty
26:29
Speaker 2: one first round pick could be anything. It could even
26:31
Speaker 2: be Peyton Watson. Don't know, So three oh three, five, four,
26:38
Speaker 2: nine to two five. I do want to go to
26:42
Speaker 2: some Broncos stuff here. Sean Payton was at the podium
26:44
Speaker 2: yesterday and we are a day away from the second
26:48
Speaker 2: preseason game, and he's the only guy we didn't hear
26:54
Speaker 2: about the the fights from. So if we could go
26:56
Speaker 2: to cut three here, Steve U. We heard from Vance Joseph,
27:01
Speaker 2: we heard from Davis Web, we heard from bow Nicks.
27:03
Speaker 2: But I want to know what Sean Payton thinks of
27:05
Speaker 2: the fights in practice.
27:07
Speaker 3: Go ahead, No, but we covered last night what's new
27:12
Speaker 3: from an officiating standpoint. This is our first season where
27:16
Speaker 3: they can go to replay in New York and remove
27:21
Speaker 3: a player. So with that being the case, you know
27:31
Speaker 3: it's going to be hard to be the guy that gets, oh,
27:34
Speaker 3: the first jab. You know they're going to be able
27:36
Speaker 3: to go to replay and get it right. And so
27:41
Speaker 3: we discussed that and we had examples of shoving and
27:44
Speaker 3: then you know the officials just getting bumped, you're ejected.
27:50
Speaker 3: There's you know, all of it we kind of covered,
27:53
Speaker 3: especially with the with the replay now being changed, and
27:57
Speaker 3: it will be the first season we have that, so.
28:02
Speaker 2: I just kind of like that if he's talking about
28:03
Speaker 2: the good review and then they can also penalize the
28:06
Speaker 2: guy who started it, because the instigator in fights in
28:10
Speaker 2: the NFL has always been a thing that he like
28:13
Speaker 2: flies under the radar. The second guy is always the
28:16
Speaker 2: one that gets penalized or rejected or whatever. But it
28:21
Speaker 2: is I think a good teaching moment for a coach
28:23
Speaker 2: being like, here's the consequences. In case you guys didn't know,
28:29
Speaker 2: you're very likely going to get booted out of the
28:30
Speaker 2: game or at the very least cost us a whole
28:32
Speaker 2: bunch of yardage and big problems within the middle of
28:35
Speaker 2: the game. Now heading into Friday.
28:39
Speaker 4: One last thing on that, by the way, Brett, Yeah,
28:41
Speaker 4: we've been calling it a fight kind of between bo
28:45
Speaker 4: Nix and Nick Benito. Yeah, it wasn't a fight. Okay,
28:49
Speaker 4: let's get that clear.
28:50
Speaker 2: Let's call it a tussle.
28:51
Speaker 3: After I got a chance to watch the film, there
28:55
Speaker 3: are no punches. It was just a tussle.
28:58
Speaker 2: A tussle, that's fine. How about and a do a
29:03
Speaker 2: brew Haha, let's call it a tussle. What other synonyms
29:07
Speaker 2: can we think for this?
29:08
Speaker 4: A scrap?
29:09
Speaker 2: A scrap, a duel, A Donnie Brook A Donnie Brook
29:17
Speaker 2: Friday when they play against the Packers, is this going
29:20
Speaker 2: to be a day that we see Mo Nicks here
29:21
Speaker 2: as a coach.
29:22
Speaker 3: So we have tonight we'll do the roles, but he'll play.
29:26
Speaker 3: You know, we'll look at the pitch count maybe similar
29:29
Speaker 3: to last week for him with that you know, fourteen
29:32
Speaker 3: snap count. And when we do that tonight, we go
29:37
Speaker 3: through each phase and who might be the early outs
29:41
Speaker 3: and then who might play a little bit more. A
29:43
Speaker 3: lot of it's based on you know, maybe like last week,
29:47
Speaker 3: we had a few linemen out, so we knew we
29:49
Speaker 3: were gonna have to go a tick longer.
29:51
Speaker 2: We'll do that tonight, so Bonix will play on Friday.
29:56
Speaker 2: Get that same sort of pitch count that the starters
29:58
Speaker 2: got in the at first game. I think it's important
30:02
Speaker 2: for him to get out there and get a few snaps.
30:05
Speaker 2: I always think it's good for starters to get out
30:07
Speaker 2: and play at least a little bit in a preseason game.
30:09
Speaker 2: Is there a risk, Yeah, there's a risk, but I
30:11
Speaker 2: think it's it's for the most part worth it to
30:14
Speaker 2: try and get into more of a rhythm. But I
30:18
Speaker 2: think especially to get out there, get the chemistry going
30:20
Speaker 2: with your your wide receivers and tight ends, with the
30:22
Speaker 2: bullets flying, all that different stuff, feel the pressure in
30:25
Speaker 2: actual consequences of decision making, whether that's throwing the ball
30:29
Speaker 2: through the air or holding onto the ball and taking
30:32
Speaker 2: a hit. I think all of that stuff is something
30:37
Speaker 2: that that quarterbacks and players need to go through. You know,
30:42
Speaker 2: you talk about a calloused body. I do think that
30:48
Speaker 2: that's sort of the case with them, like you need
30:51
Speaker 2: to get out there and take some hits. So a
30:54
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30:56
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32:53
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33:01
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33:24
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33:31
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33:41
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33:44
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33:48
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33:50
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33:54
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33:56
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34:08
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34:23
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34:52
Speaker 2: Speaking of Sean.
34:53
Speaker 1: Pak, Sports Radio loves football.
34:56
Speaker 2: Yes, he does. Speaking of Sean Payton yesterday talking about
35:04
Speaker 2: something that I think is interesting because you've got to
35:06
Speaker 2: see where the the roster spots and where you're going
35:14
Speaker 2: to keep depth. How do you go about diving that up?
35:23
Speaker 2: And in the case of Sean Payton, since he's been here,
35:28
Speaker 2: they have kept three quarterbacks and they have always put
35:32
Speaker 2: one on that inactive spot. You know, remember the NFL
35:35
Speaker 2: right now, lets you take in an active quarterback who
35:39
Speaker 2: is an emergency guy on game day, and that was
35:43
Speaker 2: you know, Zach Wilson, It's been Ellinger last year, been
35:48
Speaker 2: a number of different people. Are they going to keep
35:52
Speaker 2: three quarterbacks again? Or is this going to be a
35:55
Speaker 2: battle between bo Nicks and then whoever's going to be
35:59
Speaker 2: the backup between Stidham In Ellinger he said.
36:01
Speaker 3: This, yeah, we'll see. I think yesterday we were talking
36:04
Speaker 3: about it a lot of it. There's so many things
36:07
Speaker 3: that come into that, but we've got time for them.
36:13
Speaker 2: They do. There's just a big portion of I think
36:18
Speaker 2: Sean Payton's philosophy that is, you want to make sure
36:22
Speaker 2: you're prepared and for whatever reason, if bo Nicks has
36:25
Speaker 2: to miss major time this year, you know, a month
36:28
Speaker 2: and a half or something like that. You don't just
36:30
Speaker 2: want to have a viable backup, You want to have
36:32
Speaker 2: a backup to the backup that you also believe in
36:35
Speaker 2: because it's too important of a position and you just
36:38
Speaker 2: don't want to throw games away because you weren't prepared there.
36:40
Speaker 2: So I totally understand his perspective on why he would
36:44
Speaker 2: do that. At the same time, you have a whole
36:47
Speaker 2: bunch of roster spots that I think could use the depth.
36:53
Speaker 2: Is keeping a third quarterback on the roster more important
37:01
Speaker 2: or as important as keeping an extra linebacker, or keeping
37:08
Speaker 2: an extra wide receiver, or keeping an extra tight end
37:11
Speaker 2: or keeping you know whatever. That's where you got to
37:15
Speaker 2: make these kinds of decisions. But that's a little bit
37:21
Speaker 2: from Sean Payton at the podium yesterday. I gotta be honest,
37:25
Speaker 2: I can't get the Watson thing out of my head
37:27
Speaker 2: right now because it's all I've been thinking about, because
37:30
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out, Okay, there's a few different
37:33
Speaker 2: details of how we got to this point and then
37:36
Speaker 2: what's going to happen afterwards. And I thought, if you
37:42
Speaker 2: had whether it was Watson or not, if it was
37:45
Speaker 2: Watson or Gordon or cam Johnson, or you take your pick.
37:50
Speaker 2: If we got to this point where like, okay, it's
37:54
Speaker 2: time to pay the tab, we're going to take a
37:57
Speaker 2: little bit of a hurting on this one. First question
38:00
Speaker 2: was who is it going to be? Well, now it
38:02
Speaker 2: ends up being Peyton Watson. But I thought when we
38:05
Speaker 2: got here we'd be out of at least the apron
38:09
Speaker 2: part of this discussion, and we're not. We're still very
38:14
Speaker 2: much in it. It's only one point three million dollars,
38:18
Speaker 2: but how do you shed that? And how do you
38:20
Speaker 2: shed one point three million dollars when you have roster
38:23
Speaker 2: spots to fill and so they're in these these I
38:28
Speaker 2: guess deep discussions with DeMar DeRozan, But how are you
38:35
Speaker 2: gonna sign DeRozan and stay under the apron? Even if
38:38
Speaker 2: you you attached that second round pick that you acquired
38:41
Speaker 2: because it was a first and a second, you attached
38:44
Speaker 2: that in a trade that offloads I don't know Zeke
38:46
Speaker 2: or somebody like that. I still don't understand where where
38:51
Speaker 2: you're gonna have the money to do something like that.
38:55
Speaker 2: And that's what makes this incredibly difficult. You know, for me,
39:00
Speaker 2: this is we had the discussions about the Nuggets taking
39:05
Speaker 2: a step backward, and I was resigned to the fact
39:10
Speaker 2: that you were going to lose a good player and
39:12
Speaker 2: not be able to replace them with a similar talent.
39:15
Speaker 2: And they've done that this offseason now with a few
39:18
Speaker 2: different people. You know, again, when you look at the
39:21
Speaker 2: Nuggets roster as of this moment, the players that they
39:27
Speaker 2: have acquired, and I'll kind of do this as a
39:31
Speaker 2: one for ones, I guess we'll say, you lose Tim
39:35
Speaker 2: Hardaway Junior, but you bring in, you know, Lonnie Walker,
39:41
Speaker 2: you bring in Alpha Diallo, you draft Bryce Hopkins, you
39:50
Speaker 2: draft Trevn Brazil, but you lose Peyton Watson, and you
39:56
Speaker 2: lose Valentiounas, but you have maybe Marvin Bagley to fill
39:59
Speaker 2: in for some of that. It's just a matter of
40:01
Speaker 2: to me, you knew the talent replacing the guys who
40:07
Speaker 2: were leaving weren't going to be as good. You just
40:10
Speaker 2: hoped you could hang on a little bit. I'm just
40:12
Speaker 2: curious on how you get remotely back to near the
40:18
Speaker 2: level your team was last year.
40:20
Speaker 3: No.
40:20
Speaker 2: Again, the big argument for the Nuggets last season was
40:24
Speaker 2: if they stayed healthy, they had a shot. They obviously didn't.
40:33
Speaker 2: They lost the two guys that maybe you could least
40:35
Speaker 2: afford outside of your top dogs in Yogichen Murray. But
40:39
Speaker 2: losing Aaron Gordon was terrible and not having Peyton Watson
40:43
Speaker 2: was huge. And what I don't understand for some of
40:45
Speaker 2: the people that are out like why is everybody up
40:48
Speaker 2: in arms about Peyton Watson? What has he proven? Are
40:51
Speaker 2: the same people that were telling me if we had
40:53
Speaker 2: Peyton Watson in the Minnesota series, the series would have
40:55
Speaker 2: looked different. And I tend to agree with the second
40:57
Speaker 2: part of that. A guy who is capable of scoring
41:02
Speaker 2: twenty some points per game while also playing really tough, athletic,
41:09
Speaker 2: difficult defense is an asset that I, for one, was
41:19
Speaker 2: very unwilling to move unless the price was right, and
41:22
Speaker 2: for me yesterday that price was not right. So obviously
41:26
Speaker 2: a lot to discuss with that as we go along.
41:28
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