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HUBBY GOOGLES DISMEMBER BODY: Where's Ana Walshe? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the Last Days of Bombshell.
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Speaker 1: In the case of a gorgeous Missing Mom, Anna Walsh.
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Speaker 1: When I say gorgeous, I mean glamorous, elegant, could speak
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Speaker 1: several languages, had traveled abroad. Just a beautiful woman and
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Speaker 1: a loving mother. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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Speaker 1: and series XM one eleven friends and family were stunned
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Speaker 1: when Anna disappears after a New Year's Eve party. Listen
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Speaker 1: new tonight. Police are asking the public to help them
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Speaker 1: find a Cohassett, Massachusetts mother of three who vanished without
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Speaker 1: a trace on New Year's Day. Thirty nine year old
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Speaker 1: Anna Walsh left her home early Sunday morning. She was
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Speaker 1: supposed to take a flight from Logan to DC, where
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Speaker 1: she works during the week, but there's no record of
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Speaker 1: her ever boarding a flight. Police say there's been reports
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Speaker 1: that she took a ride share, but investigators haven't been
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Speaker 1: able to confirm that. Three days after she was seen
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Speaker 1: leaving her home with bags in hand, Walsh was reported missing.
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Speaker 1: We cannot confirm that she actually got into a ride
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Speaker 1: share in Cohasset. We can further we have confirmed with
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Speaker 1: THEO lines and that's been a challenge that she did
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Speaker 1: not board a plane this week. Police say her phone
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Speaker 1: has been off and there has been no activity on
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Speaker 1: her credit or debit cards. Just a loving wife and mother.
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Speaker 1: She always says, three beautiful boys, three boutiful boys. So
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Speaker 1: she loves so much. So the little boys wondering where
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Speaker 1: is mommy? You were hearing our friends at wp R
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Speaker 1: I NWUSA, So where's Anna Now? I had to take
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Speaker 1: that exact flight very often, and between New York and
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Speaker 1: Boston and DC, it's almost a triangle of hourly flights
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Speaker 1: with me in all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what we know right now, But first I want to
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Speaker 1: go to Bob Ward, reporter for Boston twenty five News.
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Speaker 1: You can find him at Twitter at b Ward three. Bob,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Could you just verbalize
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Speaker 1: that a little bit better than I did? I mean,
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Speaker 1: I know in New York, I would very often have
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Speaker 1: to race from Court TV to get to the Marine
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Speaker 1: Air terminal at LaGuardia, a different terminal than the main
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Speaker 1: LaGuardia terminal, because they had hourly flights not only to
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Speaker 1: Atlanta but to DC, where I would go to shoot
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Speaker 1: Larry King. And believe it or not, they were so regular,
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Speaker 1: almost like a bus. For Pete's sake. I could be
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Speaker 1: there within two hours of leaving the studios in Manhattan.
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Speaker 1: It was amazing. But there's so many flights out of
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Speaker 1: Blogan to New York. And see, that's a lot of
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Speaker 1: investigation to find out if she really did get on
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Speaker 1: a plane. Right. But you know, Nancy, right from the
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Speaker 1: very beginning, this sounded odd because you're talking. This was
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Speaker 1: New Year's Day. This was first thing in the morning
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Speaker 1: on New Year's Day. She had a party at her
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Speaker 1: house that went until about one o'clock in the morning
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Speaker 1: New Year's Eve into New Year's Day. A mother of
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Speaker 1: three who claimed there was an emergency at her realty
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Speaker 1: firm in Washington, DC. Okay, whoa, whoa wait wait, let
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Speaker 1: me let me let stuch Right there, Bob ward is
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Speaker 1: joining me from Boston twenty five News. I'm drinking out
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Speaker 1: of the fire. Hija from you, Bob Warden. You give
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Speaker 1: me so much information so quickly. So with the three children.
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Speaker 1: She was actually working in DC, living in the Boston area.
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Speaker 1: And what was her job in DC? Was it a
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Speaker 1: new job? It was a fairly new job. You know,
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Speaker 1: we're still trying to unpack some of this stuff. But
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Speaker 1: she had she had a job with an apartment own
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Speaker 1: in DC. Okay, what was her job in DC? I'm
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Speaker 1: not clear on what her job was. She was not
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Speaker 1: a realtor, but she was some kind of property manager.
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Speaker 1: That's it. That's what it was. Property manager. And hold on,
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Speaker 1: just a moment we all know. About getting a new job,
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Speaker 1: you feel like you've got to do whatever they want
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Speaker 1: to make that great impression so they don't say, Wow,
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Speaker 1: we've got her on six months probation. We're gonna can her.
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Speaker 1: She's not doing a very good job. I mean, David
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Speaker 1: Stutter is with me right now. Guys. Now I think
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Speaker 1: of David Stutter as a motorman, as an APD Atlanta
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Speaker 1: Police Department officer, but now he is a very well
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Speaker 1: known lawyer. David Stutter. Do you remember your first day
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Speaker 1: on the job as a cop? Absolutely? I do. And
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Speaker 1: it was a law long time ago, nineteen to eighty eight.
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Speaker 1: And I do remember my first day, and I was
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Speaker 1: super excited, super enthusiastic and just wanting to get out
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Speaker 1: and stay of the world and didn't want to screw
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Speaker 1: anything up. In Land some desk assignment. That's right. We
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Speaker 1: were on a very strict six months probationary period when
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Speaker 1: we first started there, and any infraction would cause you
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Speaker 1: some difficulty right quick. So after your point, absolutely I would.
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Speaker 1: I was willing to do whatever I needed to do
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Speaker 1: to get in that probationary period. And then you put
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Speaker 1: yourself through law school. Can you remember your first day
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Speaker 1: working as a lawyer. You're like, yeah, man, but I'll
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Speaker 1: screw this up. This is nothing like being a cop.
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Speaker 1: That's absolutely right, the same sort of feeling. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, you remember you would be with me on
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Speaker 1: the set at Court TV. Karen Stark is with me,
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Speaker 1: renowned psychologists joining us out of the Manhattan jurisdiction. She's
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Speaker 1: at Karen Stark dot com. Karen with the See Karen,
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Speaker 1: you'd be with me on the set at Court TV,
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Speaker 1: and my stomach will be churney to figure out if
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Speaker 1: I can make that flight to get to Larry King's
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Speaker 1: studios in Washington to get on the air, you know,
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Speaker 1: and I would make it. I don't think I ever
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Speaker 1: did not make it. But when you've got a new gig,
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Speaker 1: you'll do anything. And if they told me, Hey, you
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Speaker 1: got to fly to DC to be on tonight. I
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Speaker 1: got sure, I can't wait. Just like this woman, they go, hey,
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Speaker 1: you got to fly down to DC. We got an emergency.
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Speaker 1: I don't care if it's New Year's Day. And she
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Speaker 1: would that plane. Would you agree with that? I would
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Speaker 1: agree with it, Nancy. And I remember those days like
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Speaker 1: it was yesterday, and you were always doing above and
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Speaker 1: beyond what you needed to do. I used to watch
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Speaker 1: you and Larry King because I couldn't believe that you
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Speaker 1: would make it, and you always made it. But what pressure. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: there were a lot of white knuckles in a cab
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Speaker 1: trying to get to LaGuardia Marina. So we're hearing from
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Speaker 1: Bob Ward that something wasn't right. But yet it was
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Speaker 1: a new job, so people chalked it off. Well, you know,
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Speaker 1: she's proving herself. But them things even went more sideways.
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Speaker 1: Take a list of our friends at Boston twenty five.
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Speaker 1: A Cohesset police log is shedding new light on how
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Speaker 1: the investigation first got started. It says a call requesting
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Speaker 1: a well being check was made on January fourth by
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Speaker 1: a man who identified himself as the head of security
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Speaker 1: at Honor Walsh's employer in DC, Tishman Speyer. The log
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Speaker 1: says Tishman Speyer contacted husband Brian Walsh before he reported
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Speaker 1: his wife missing. It explains that he told police on
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Speaker 1: a left for DC and he hadn't heard from her since.
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Speaker 1: According to the log on his phone, last pig on
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Speaker 1: January second at three to fourteen am Incohasset and hit
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Speaker 1: the tower on Reservoir Road Incohasset, less than a mile
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Speaker 1: from the family's home. Okay with me. Very well known
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Speaker 1: PI private investigator Tom Ruskin is with us. Ruskin is
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Speaker 1: president of CMP Protective and Investigative Group, Inc. Former NYPD investigator,
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Speaker 1: and you can find him at CMP dashgroup dot com.
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Speaker 1: Tom Ruskin, I don't like it when it's your job
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Speaker 1: calling to report you missing, not your family. Correct. I
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Speaker 1: mean it distincts to the high head. It really does
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Speaker 1: not to mention that it is a lot easier now
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Speaker 1: than when I joined the force before my colleague in
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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two, to check flight records, to check TSA records,
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Speaker 1: to check different airlines. There's only a certain number of
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Speaker 1: airlines that would fly between her home and Washington, DC,
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Speaker 1: and it's very easy for the TSA and holy insecurity
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Speaker 1: to go into those records now and search for her name,
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Speaker 1: her data, birth and see if she had a plane reservation, b,
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Speaker 1: did she clear security with all the cameras that are
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Speaker 1: in airports, and did she actually get on the flight?
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Speaker 1: Can I tell you something, Tom Ruskin, That's an excellent point.
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Speaker 1: I hadn't even thought of, because I remember going and
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Speaker 1: you'll laugh at this, start going to the Greyhouse bus
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Speaker 1: station in inner city Atlanta trying to find out if
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Speaker 1: a particular woman who always into this day is still
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Speaker 1: a Jane Day by the way, who was murdered, if
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Speaker 1: she had gotten off of a Greyhound bus before she
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Speaker 1: was murdered by whom I believe to be a serial killer.
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Speaker 1: Don't worry, I got him on one one. He's still
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Speaker 1: in jail right now, prison prison, not jail. But it
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Speaker 1: was so hard to do, Tom Nancy. You'll also remember
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Speaker 1: when you ran from Court TV to the Marine Air
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Speaker 1: terminal at La Guidi Airport. You used to be able
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Speaker 1: to run through no madneatometers. You'd run onto Delta flight
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Speaker 1: or People's Express flight or Eastern back then, and you
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Speaker 1: just jump on the flight with a random ticket that
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Speaker 1: you could play any hour. Nowadays, you can't do that.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, tsa man. They got to justify their existence
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Speaker 1: and so they will do a full body cavity search
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Speaker 1: if they feel like it. It doesn't matter who you are,
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Speaker 1: you know who you get searched the most. My mother,
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Speaker 1: she's ninety two and going in with a chair when
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Speaker 1: we pushed her around the airport even though she can walk.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, they love to hone in on my mom.
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Speaker 1: Elizabeth that said, you're right, Tom Ruskin. There's only a
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Speaker 1: couple of air of carriers they go between Boston and DC,
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Speaker 1: even though they go very often. Time stories with Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: Bob Bard. You're right, something is not right here. And
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Speaker 1: those are the famous words of doctor Henry Lee when
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Speaker 1: he was testifying for O. J. Simpsons. Something is wrong,
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Speaker 1: and boy was there There were two dead people in
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Speaker 1: the driveway. But the employer is reporting on a missing
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Speaker 1: not her family. But listen to this WBZ. WBZ is
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Speaker 1: obtained and verified audio of a voicemail left by mister
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Speaker 1: Walsh for one of honest friends. It's the same day
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Speaker 1: Anna was reported missing to police. As I said Brian Walsh,
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Speaker 1: hootball is going well. I was just reaching out to
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Speaker 1: basically everybody I could. Anna hasn't been in touch for
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Speaker 1: a few days. Do you know anyone that might have
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Speaker 1: that contact with her? Just you know, calling everyone? So
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Speaker 1: I heard of bother you through everything. Fine, So we
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Speaker 1: do see the husband reaching out to her friends and
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Speaker 1: leaving voicemails for all of them trying to find out
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Speaker 1: if they had heard from Anna. Joining right now. Julie
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Speaker 1: lewis President and CEO of Digital Mountain, Inc. At Digital
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Speaker 1: Mountain dot com. Julie, thank you for being with us,
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Speaker 1: Tom Ruskin. The PI points out how much easier it
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Speaker 1: is to check flight records through TSA and even getting
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Speaker 1: subpoenas very quickly, or asking the carrier you know, like
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Speaker 1: Delta to check their records to find out if somebody
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Speaker 1: mate a flight. So, according to police, she didn't make
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Speaker 1: that fly. But what Julie lewis about Ryde Share, Lift,
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Speaker 1: Uber and all the others digitally, wouldn't that leave a
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Speaker 1: trail if she had taken a Ryde chair to the airport.
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Speaker 1: So you can certainly contact the custodian of records at
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Speaker 1: the ubers the lists and types of companies that she
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Speaker 1: would have taken a ride share and find out that
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Speaker 1: information with legal due process and see what you know,
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Speaker 1: what the actual fact pattern is there? Well, what about
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Speaker 1: her phone? I mean most people get their Rye chair
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Speaker 1: through their phone app. If you have access to her yes,
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Speaker 1: if you have access to her phone, you knew the
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Speaker 1: whereabouts of that phone, you would have access to the app.
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Speaker 1: But most that data would be stored in the cloud
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Speaker 1: and pointing up to the Uber application, it might not
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Speaker 1: be stored on the local phone. So that's something to consider.
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Speaker 1: Got a question for you, Julie Lewis, if we don't
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Speaker 1: have her phone, but we do have her code, say,
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Speaker 1: it's like everybody else in America their birthday or their
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Speaker 1: children's birthday, and we have the code for her phone.
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Speaker 1: Can we get into the iCloud that way? Typically you
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Speaker 1: would need the user name, you would need a password
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Speaker 1: for the accounts, and you would also if they have
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Speaker 1: a multifactor authentication turned on the code from the text message.
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Speaker 1: It's a little harder than I thought. But you know
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Speaker 1: what we're talking about, her phone and where is she?
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Speaker 1: Where is the husband during all of this? Takeulous our
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Speaker 1: cut thirty five Lynn Bland talking you indicate our January
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Speaker 1: first three piano did Smarons and which was not his
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Speaker 1: house and swamps but gloss because he didn't have his phone.
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Speaker 1: He said he knew he was lost when he saw
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Speaker 1: a pirate ship on Route one. Defends say fifteen minutes,
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Speaker 1: then went to Whole Forwards and CBS Savanals was checked
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Speaker 1: and he did not enter either with those stores. Okay.
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Speaker 1: Bob Ward, Boston, twenty five on this the disappearance of
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Speaker 1: Ana Walsh since the beginning, saw a pirate ship on
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Speaker 1: Route one? What okay, no, wait a minute, wait, wait
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Speaker 1: wait wait, So he says a husband says he's going
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Speaker 1: to visit his mother and he gets lost all the
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Speaker 1: way to his mom's home, and when he sees a
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Speaker 1: pirate ship, he knows he's lost, but then goes into
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Speaker 1: Whole Foods the CBS even though he's lost. What the
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Speaker 1: pirate ship is a landmark on the Route one area.
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Speaker 1: There's a you know that area of swampskip where his
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Speaker 1: mother lives. There are some old landmarks, miniature golf places, restaurants,
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Speaker 1: that sort of thing. And I think that's what it
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Speaker 1: was that he's talking about, was a landmark that he
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Speaker 1: saw that told him where he was. And he said
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Speaker 1: he got lost because he didn't have the GPS on
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Speaker 1: his phone with him, because he's left it at home.
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Speaker 1: Karen Starry, I find that very unusual. I've told that
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Speaker 1: my twins is like the wizards and their wands and
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Speaker 1: Harry Potter, you don't go anywhere without it. Well, doesn't
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Speaker 1: make sense to me he didn't have a cell phone,
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Speaker 1: especially if he hasn't heard from his wife. Wouldn't you
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Speaker 1: keep your cell phone with you at that time in
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Speaker 1: case she called? Well, let's think about this, Nancy. How
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Speaker 1: many people really leave home these days without their phone.
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Speaker 1: It's improbable. I have trouble believing that he accidentally left
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Speaker 1: at home and he knows that he's being watched. It
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Speaker 1: seems to me so he intentionally left that phone home.
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Speaker 1: I have no doubt about it. He's the necesarious character.
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Speaker 1: He knows exactly what he's doing. The search for on
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Speaker 1: a waltch local authorities fine something very unusual, take a
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Speaker 1: less an hour cut forty. Data from his phone also
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Speaker 1: tracked his whereaboats on January three. Locations were traveled at
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Speaker 1: four twenty seven on January third to an impartment complex
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Speaker 1: in Habington. So veillance shows the dependents Volvo as well
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Speaker 1: as a male fitting the dependent's appearance Exeter car near
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Speaker 1: the dumpster. He walks to the dumpster carrying a garbage
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Speaker 1: bb he's leaning and it appears to be heavy as
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Speaker 1: he has toift it pift it into the dumpster. He
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Speaker 1: walks to the dumpster with the garbage bab and leaves
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Speaker 1: it on full. Forty eight. He hit another complex in
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Speaker 1: Abington and at five ten pm, cell phone shows records
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Speaker 1: at another apartment. A broad tim video shows a party
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Speaker 1: consistent with his appearance and his vovo again he discided
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Speaker 1: items in the dumpster. I'm Warren joining us from Boston
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Speaker 1: twenty five on his disappearance from the very beginning, I
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Speaker 1: don't have a problem with my husband throwing trash out
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Speaker 1: there in the dumpster outside our house, but when he
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Speaker 1: starts going from one dumpster to the next dumpster, to
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Speaker 1: the next dumpster to the next dumpster, all in within
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Speaker 1: a one hour period, that concerns me. And you know
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Speaker 1: who reminds me of mean You're gonna know this name
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Speaker 1: very well. Jennifer Dulos, the missing Connecticut mom of five.
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Speaker 1: Remember her husband, Fetus Dulos and his mistress. They're going
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Speaker 1: all around town dropping off items and they're caught on
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Speaker 1: surveillance video. Why is it, Bob Ward, maybe you can
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Speaker 1: shuss some light on this. Why is it that when
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Speaker 1: a woman goes missing, her husband suddenly turns into a
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Speaker 1: neat nick and he has to throw out the trash.
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Speaker 1: Good question, Nancy. I think we on the answer to that,
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Speaker 1: and that's the allegation here that the sadly that January
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Speaker 1: third incident you just played the cut from the dumpsters
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Speaker 1: in the South Shore and Avington and Brockton. What we're
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Speaker 1: going to find out in court that is, when the
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Speaker 1: remains of Ona Walsh are being discarded in those dumpsters,
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Speaker 1: those dumpsters eventually are brought to an incinerator in the
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Speaker 1: South Shore of Massachusetts, and within an hour of those
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Speaker 1: dumpsters being brought to that incinerator, they're destroyed. Ana Walsh's
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Speaker 1: remains have never been located, and the thought is that
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Speaker 1: they never will be because that's where those bags were brought.
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Speaker 1: The other trash bags that were recovered in this case
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Speaker 1: were brought to the north Shore near that pirate ship
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Speaker 1: that we just talked about, and they were not brought
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Speaker 1: to an incinerator but to a landfill. They were found
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Speaker 1: and it's inside. I don't know from getting ahead of us,
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Speaker 1: but inside those trash bags is where the evidence, the
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Speaker 1: incriminating evidence has been located in this case, Bob Ward,
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Speaker 1: could you tell me everything you just said? One more
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Speaker 1: and very slowly. I think the gist is that very
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Speaker 1: quickly after husband Brian Walsh visited these various dumpsters, the
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Speaker 1: dumpsters were cleaned out where the trash was picked up
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Speaker 1: and taken some to an incinerator and some to the
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Speaker 1: pirate ship. Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, wait
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Speaker 1: a minute, Wait a minute, Karen Stark, have you ever
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Speaker 1: noticed how defendants weave in a tiny bit of truth
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Speaker 1: into their big fat lie the pirate ship? I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's what makes pathological liar so interesting, Nancy, is because
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Speaker 1: it's usually based on a hint of truth, right, like
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Speaker 1: no smoke without fire. There's a little bit of smoke,
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Speaker 1: but the rest of it they conjure up. And they're
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Speaker 1: very AdPT at being able to tell a lie that
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Speaker 1: has a little bit of truth in it, but a
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Speaker 1: lot of faulthood. I like the verbis conjure like a
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Speaker 1: magician or a wizard. Because one moment on a Walsh
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Speaker 1: is there with witnesses at a New Year's Eve party
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Speaker 1: and the next moment she's gone, Okay, Bob Ward joining me.
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Speaker 1: Investigative Report of Boston twenty five, tell me again what
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Speaker 1: you just said. So on January third, Brian Walsh, according
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Speaker 1: to the prosecutors, is recorded on surveillance trying to dump
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Speaker 1: trash bags into dumpsters in the south Shore of Boston,
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Speaker 1: in the towns of Abington and Brockton. The prosecution believes
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Speaker 1: that those trash bags that he was struggling with to
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Speaker 1: get into the dumpsters contained the dismembered remains of his wife,
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Speaker 1: on A Walsh. Shortly after he did that, those dumpsters
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Speaker 1: were brought to an incinerator in the south Shore. Within
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Speaker 1: an hour of those trash bags arriving at that incinerator,
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Speaker 1: they were incinerated and converted into electricity and Anna's Walsh's
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Speaker 1: remains have never been found. It's an absolutely horrific and
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Speaker 1: gruesome part of this case. The other half of it
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Speaker 1: is that Brian Walsh did not, allegedly did not discard
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Speaker 1: of all the evidence in the case on the south Shore.
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Speaker 1: The allegation is that he took his tools, the instruments
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Speaker 1: that he used to dismember his wife's body along with
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Speaker 1: some of her clothes and belongings, and put them in
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Speaker 1: other trash bags and discarded those things in dumpsters on
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Speaker 1: the north shore of Boston near his mother's house, near
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Speaker 1: that pirate ship. Those trash bags have been recovered and
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Speaker 1: those items are going to be an important part of
21:44
Speaker 1: this case in this trial when it takes place. And
21:47
Speaker 1: what do you believe Bob Ward were in those trash
21:51
Speaker 1: bags in January? What we've been told was that they
21:54
Speaker 1: found a hatchet, a hack saw, They found a bloody rug,
21:59
Speaker 1: they found as product purse, they found the boots that
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Speaker 1: she was seen wearing at that New Year's Eve party,
22:05
Speaker 1: and Nancy, they found her COVID nineteen card. It's absolutely
22:10
Speaker 1: stunning what they found. Joining me former APD Atlanta Police
22:15
Speaker 1: Department officer and now lawyer, what rank did you get
22:21
Speaker 1: to stuttered? Unless there's an investigator, Nante's a homicide detective
22:25
Speaker 1: when I left. Okay, David, have you ever had a
22:29
Speaker 1: case without a body, a homicide without a body, Yes,
22:32
Speaker 1: I had. Can I just say that's a tough pill
22:36
Speaker 1: to swallow? It is, but fortunately even in those cases
22:41
Speaker 1: and this guy, look, you know, as a homicide detective.
22:44
Speaker 1: I would have been looking at this guy immediately simply
22:46
Speaker 1: based on the fact that his wife gets on an airplane.
22:50
Speaker 1: She's apparently overdue. He hasn't heard from her in three days.
22:54
Speaker 1: Only after he is contacted by her employer does he
22:57
Speaker 1: make an outcry about his wife. Don't. I mean, my
23:00
Speaker 1: wife gets on their plane. She travels frequently. If I
23:02
Speaker 1: haven't heard from her a few minutes after she's supposed
23:05
Speaker 1: to touch down, I get Frank. I mean, I'm calling
23:08
Speaker 1: every you know, trying to call her, call her. This
23:10
Speaker 1: guy has done nothing, but he's like a magnet for suspicion.
23:15
Speaker 1: I mean, he's going out, he's talking about this pirate ship,
23:17
Speaker 1: you know, and not to mention all of this physical
23:19
Speaker 1: evidence that's located, which to my point is, you know,
23:23
Speaker 1: even the most careful criminals, when they commit these kinds
23:27
Speaker 1: of crimes, it's almost impossible to do it without leaving
23:32
Speaker 1: some sort of forensic physical evidence behind him. This guy
23:36
Speaker 1: has left a mountain of it. I mean, it could you.
23:40
Speaker 1: Here's another thing, Julie Lewis, I want to circle back
23:45
Speaker 1: to you just a moment about possible nav systems on
23:48
Speaker 1: his car. But Tom Ruskin joining me, and they don't
23:51
Speaker 1: want Karen start to weigh in on this as well.
23:53
Speaker 1: Tom Ruskin guy's private investigator Extraordinari President of CMP Protective
23:58
Speaker 1: and Investigative, Tom Listen. I don't like jewelry. I really
24:04
Speaker 1: don't like fancy clothes. I don't like fancy cars. But
24:10
Speaker 1: if you were to take let's just say, this little
24:14
Speaker 1: ring right here, this is made of my mother in
24:18
Speaker 1: law's jewelry. Okay, it's very thin, let's not be jeweled.
24:24
Speaker 1: But if you were to take that, I would come
24:26
Speaker 1: after you, all right much. That's my COVID ID card.
24:30
Speaker 1: I gotta have that if I ever want to travel
24:32
Speaker 1: anywhere with the twins for Pete's sake. I mean, you know,
24:35
Speaker 1: your vaccination card. There are just some things that would
24:39
Speaker 1: matter to me. And I've got a funny feeling this
24:42
Speaker 1: woman would not want her to fancy boots and her
24:45
Speaker 1: product hers thrown out. No, and it would be weird
24:50
Speaker 1: if she had left and left for a business trip
24:54
Speaker 1: if she didn't take those with her, that they wouldn't
24:57
Speaker 1: be behind in the house and be scrubable. This guy
25:01
Speaker 1: is definitely the prime suspect and probably will be convicted
25:06
Speaker 1: at trial. The fact that the matter is to the
25:08
Speaker 1: other gentleman's point, you don't need a body anymore to
25:12
Speaker 1: prove a case. It sure helps, though, man, come on, Ruskin,
25:15
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you don't need a body. I'm not
25:18
Speaker 1: going to give him a gold star for getting rid
25:20
Speaker 1: of the body. And again, he hasn't been proven guilty.
25:23
Speaker 1: We're just hypothesizing on the evidence that we have. But
25:27
Speaker 1: as sure as heck helps if you do have a
25:29
Speaker 1: dead body to prove a murder case. But it also
25:32
Speaker 1: goes against him because we know that he was in
25:35
Speaker 1: these yards, he was dumping stuff. What is he doing
25:38
Speaker 1: dumping or garbage? What's the matter? His pickups not working
25:42
Speaker 1: at his house? Karen start, He's so right, And Karen, again,
25:48
Speaker 1: I threw this to Stuttern earlier. I think, but why
25:51
Speaker 1: do you guys turn into nat Nicks as soon as
25:53
Speaker 1: their wives disappear? And again, like Stuttered said, and like
25:58
Speaker 1: Ruskin is saying about the trash, it defies the course
26:02
Speaker 1: of normal human conduct. He doesn't check on his wife
26:06
Speaker 1: to see if she landed. Her employer has to call
26:09
Speaker 1: looking for her, and then he wants to take out
26:11
Speaker 1: the trash. Fine, do it at the corner at the
26:13
Speaker 1: end of the driveway, or the trash in your apartment
26:15
Speaker 1: in Manhattan. But why do you go to five or
26:18
Speaker 1: six different dumpsters? And because somebody just surprised me. He
26:21
Speaker 1: wants and not throw bloody rags and towels and a dumpster.
26:24
Speaker 1: Do something different what always happens, Nancy. He believes he's
26:28
Speaker 1: not going to get caught, and this looks suspicious. So suspicious.
26:32
Speaker 1: I mean he gets lost going to his mother. He
26:36
Speaker 1: didn't get lost. He's trying to explain his circuitous route
26:40
Speaker 1: from one dump to the next, and also saying that
26:43
Speaker 1: he went to places where they could check and he
26:46
Speaker 1: did not go. So, Nancy, can I jump in for
26:49
Speaker 1: one sec? Yes, I just want to brit welso bring
26:52
Speaker 1: up the fact this is a woman. Let's assume that
26:56
Speaker 1: the husband has nothing to do with her murder. This
27:00
Speaker 1: is a woman who's going to take a flight, supposedly
27:04
Speaker 1: from Boston to Washington on a business trip. Why is
27:07
Speaker 1: her phone off? No one that travels, myself, my loved ones,
27:11
Speaker 1: my family. Well, we go to the airport, you show
27:14
Speaker 1: off your phone once you're on the flight, and you
27:17
Speaker 1: turn it on to this to Stardard's point, once you land.
27:21
Speaker 1: Why is she becoming all of a sudden septitious or
27:25
Speaker 1: becoming covert in her actions? Right, which sort of defies
27:29
Speaker 1: the logic of the husband Tom Ruskin, private an investigator.
27:33
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. I mean, I don't guess any of
27:36
Speaker 1: you people on this panel. I read Don't be a
27:38
Speaker 1: victim written by Oh what's that girl's name? Oh Nancy Grace.
27:42
Speaker 1: You're supposed to take a picture of when you're in
27:45
Speaker 1: the parking deck, which I do and sent to my family,
27:49
Speaker 1: and then when I get on the plane, I take
27:50
Speaker 1: a picture I'm on the plane and send to them.
27:53
Speaker 1: You don't even have to write a text or write words,
27:55
Speaker 1: but just let people know where you're going. And Jack
27:59
Speaker 1: get think I've even sent them to you before. Yeah,
28:01
Speaker 1: so I have Okay, guys, that's not the end of it.
28:05
Speaker 1: But I want to ask Julie Lewis something, President and
28:07
Speaker 1: CEO of Digital Mountain, Inc. Julie, what about I want
28:13
Speaker 1: to just say on Star as a blanket nav description,
28:19
Speaker 1: wouldn't his car show everywhere he had been if it were,
28:22
Speaker 1: you know, anything older than twenty ten? So before I
28:25
Speaker 1: jumped into that, I just you were talking about pictures
28:28
Speaker 1: and there were supposedly a picture she photographed of herself
28:32
Speaker 1: with her wedding ring off in some of her final photos,
28:36
Speaker 1: and so within that picture there's things called xcess data
28:40
Speaker 1: that you can look for that potentially could have geolocation
28:43
Speaker 1: information about where she was when the picture was taken.
28:46
Speaker 1: See that is why you're the expert. I didn't even
28:49
Speaker 1: catch that, Julie Lewis so switching gears to the car.
28:53
Speaker 1: You know, the car is a moving computer these days.
28:57
Speaker 1: On most cars with wife by has GPS, it has
29:03
Speaker 1: a cell network, all these things that you can use
29:06
Speaker 1: for tracking. So if Brian's cars has that in it, um,
29:11
Speaker 1: law enforcement could have certainly used that information. The other
29:15
Speaker 1: thing that happens in cars is a lot of people
29:17
Speaker 1: think their phones um, and so text messages, contacts, you know,
29:24
Speaker 1: browser history, all these things may be on that on
29:27
Speaker 1: the car. Now. You know, for example, if you rent
29:31
Speaker 1: a car, even that information can be on that. So UM,
29:34
Speaker 1: that's something that's really important to note. You may when
29:37
Speaker 1: you charge your phone in a car, the car contract
29:41
Speaker 1: everything that you have written on your phone during that time.
29:44
Speaker 1: It could be thinking like when you when you are
29:46
Speaker 1: in an uber your playlist, um. Depending on a configuration.
29:51
Speaker 1: It could actually down on that. So you don't want
29:53
Speaker 1: to go in some stranger's car rental car um and
29:56
Speaker 1: and plug it in because the car and phone TAM
30:00
Speaker 1: system could be grabbing and capturing some information from your phone.
30:03
Speaker 1: Get to know they I don't want anybody else to
30:06
Speaker 1: get all the recipes I download time stories with Meancy Grace. Guys,
30:29
Speaker 1: it really cracked wide open when we learned about Google searches.
30:38
Speaker 1: I mean, what an idiot. I just can't stress this enough.
30:42
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut thirty six. This is
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Speaker 1: Land Balan talking on January first googled using the son's iPad.
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Speaker 1: Some of the searches are as follows. Keep in mind
30:55
Speaker 1: that the tenant said he left at sixteen six pm
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Speaker 1: four fifty five am on Jerry and first he searched
31:03
Speaker 1: how long before a body starts to smell? How long
31:07
Speaker 1: before a body starts to smell? Okay, keep going a am,
31:13
Speaker 1: how to stop a body from decomposing? And five twenty
31:17
Speaker 1: am he searched how to bound the body. At five
31:21
Speaker 1: forty seven am, ten ways to dispose dispose of a
31:26
Speaker 1: dead body if you really need to. At six twenty
31:29
Speaker 1: five am on the First, how long for someone to
31:32
Speaker 1: be missing to inherit? At six thirty four am on
31:36
Speaker 1: the first, can you go away body pots? Okay, I
31:40
Speaker 1: think we need Doctor Kendall Crowns, Chief Medical Examiner, Tarrant
31:45
Speaker 1: County Lecturer, University, Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School.
31:52
Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with us. Let
31:55
Speaker 1: me just ask you a couple of ways, and I'd
31:56
Speaker 1: like to point out also this is food for thought
31:59
Speaker 1: for you. Karen Stark, psychologist on his son's iPad, like
32:05
Speaker 1: they don't know how to read the search history and
32:09
Speaker 1: there's daddy searching. How long before a body starts to smell?
32:15
Speaker 1: How do you stop a body from decomposing? How to
32:18
Speaker 1: get rid of a body? Ten ways to dispose of
32:20
Speaker 1: a dead body if you really need to. I'm glad
32:23
Speaker 1: he added take that on at the end, how long before?
32:27
Speaker 1: How long for someone to be missing to inherit? That's
32:29
Speaker 1: not for you, Crowns. Can you throw away body parts? Okay?
32:36
Speaker 1: I'm starting to agree with Tom Ruskin and David Stutter
32:40
Speaker 1: that you don't really need the dead body to prove
32:43
Speaker 1: that someone is dead. Doctor Kendall Crowns. Can you give
32:46
Speaker 1: me some quick answers to those This is a lightning
32:49
Speaker 1: round for you. How long before a body starts to smell?
32:51
Speaker 1: Doctor Crowns. That just rolled off the tip of your tongue.
32:55
Speaker 1: I'm not going to ask why how do you stop
32:57
Speaker 1: a body from decomposing? Ray? I mean, you look at
33:01
Speaker 1: it's that guy they found in the iceberg ot see
33:05
Speaker 1: the iceman. He was missing for a thousand years and
33:09
Speaker 1: he's stuck in the icebergs. A really, refrigeration is the
33:12
Speaker 1: best way to prevent a body from decomposing. Ten ways
33:16
Speaker 1: to dispose of a dead body if you really need to.
33:19
Speaker 1: That's not a medical question. Let me go to the
33:20
Speaker 1: next medical question. Can you throw a white body parts?
33:24
Speaker 1: You have to, you know, if you don't want the
33:27
Speaker 1: trash man to notice them, put them in dumpsters like
33:30
Speaker 1: which was possibly done in this case, and then mp
33:34
Speaker 1: A dismember the individual into small enough parts that they
33:38
Speaker 1: aren't recognizable as human and then mix them in with
33:41
Speaker 1: other trash. And another good way is to put them
33:46
Speaker 1: in I think it's like these pool chemicals that can
33:49
Speaker 1: melt the body parts down into kind of a sludge,
33:52
Speaker 1: you know, Doctor Kendall, Crowns. You're actually Nancy scaring many
33:56
Speaker 1: people that are listening to you right now putting it
33:58
Speaker 1: in pool Karen start, I know you've got something. Dad,
34:01
Speaker 1: Hold on, what did you say about pool cleaner, Doctor
34:05
Speaker 1: Kendall Crowns. There's there's a certain chemical to use. I
34:08
Speaker 1: believe it's in pool cleaning or something else. I can't
34:10
Speaker 1: think of it off the top of my head. But
34:13
Speaker 1: it'll actually dissolve the dismembered body parts down relatively and
34:19
Speaker 1: will dissolve the bone as well, and it'll just kind
34:21
Speaker 1: of make this kind of ooze. But then you have
34:23
Speaker 1: to dispose of that. I'm glad you're on the right
34:26
Speaker 1: side of the law, doctor Kendall Crowns. I really am.
34:28
Speaker 1: But guess what, guys, there's more. Take a listen again
34:32
Speaker 1: to Lend Bland at nine twenty nine am. What does
34:36
Speaker 1: for meal to Hi do? At nine three four am?
34:39
Speaker 1: One first? How long does DNA last? At nine nine am?
34:45
Speaker 1: Can identification be made on passionate mads? At eleven thirty
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Speaker 1: four am. Dismemberment and the Best Ways to dispose of
34:53
Speaker 1: the flood at eleven forty four Hydercleaning blood from wooden
34:58
Speaker 1: fluid at eleven fifty on the first moment of to
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Speaker 1: detect flood at one and I'll eight What happens when
35:05
Speaker 1: you put body parts in peumonia? But one twenty one pms?
35:09
Speaker 1: Better full crime scene clothes away or wash them those one? Okay, guys,
35:17
Speaker 1: just know that while some of these questions are so rudimentary,
35:23
Speaker 1: they are cruel and horrible. And three little boys are
35:28
Speaker 1: left without their mother while this guy is googling what
35:33
Speaker 1: does from malde hide do? How long does DNA last?
35:37
Speaker 1: Can an ID be made on partial remains? Dismemberment? Best
35:41
Speaker 1: ways to dispose of a body? What happens when you
35:44
Speaker 1: put body parts in ammonia? Should you throw away crime
35:49
Speaker 1: scene clothes or wash them? So to doctor Kennel Crown's
35:52
Speaker 1: lightning round, Doctor crowns, how long does DNA last? You
35:56
Speaker 1: can find dnams on surfaces for years? What does fromaldehyde do?
36:02
Speaker 1: Fromaldehyde is a fixative. Also, that's what you use to
36:06
Speaker 1: kind of pickle the organs to keep them preserved for
36:11
Speaker 1: long periods of time. What happens when you put body
36:13
Speaker 1: parts at ammonia? Doctor Kendall Crowns That one, I don't know.
36:16
Speaker 1: That's a new one to me, as far as I know,
36:18
Speaker 1: I stopped. You're out, No, don't go, I've got more.
36:23
Speaker 1: Well one more quickie from land Bilan to listen bonding
36:27
Speaker 1: right through that same day at one or two pm,
36:29
Speaker 1: do did some more Google searches? What happens to hear
36:34
Speaker 1: on a dead body at one thirteen pm? What is
36:38
Speaker 1: the rate of decomposition of the body found in a
36:41
Speaker 1: plastic beag compared to on a surface in the woods
36:45
Speaker 1: at one twenty pm? Can baking soda mask or made
36:50
Speaker 1: a body smell good? Ken baking soda make a body?
36:54
Speaker 1: A dead body smell good? These Google searches have led
36:59
Speaker 1: to a bombshell development in the search for Anna Walsh
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Speaker 1: Bob We're joining me, Boston twenty five News. An indictment
37:07
Speaker 1: explained he was indicted on three counts. There was murder,
37:10
Speaker 1: misleading investigators and improper disposal of a body. So his
37:15
Speaker 1: case is being moved up from district court to Superior court.
37:18
Speaker 1: And for what I understand now, the two sides are
37:21
Speaker 1: working out a date for his Superior court arrayment. And
37:24
Speaker 1: the significant of course is that Superior court has the
37:27
Speaker 1: authority if he is when he has tried and he's
37:31
Speaker 1: found guilty, on first, agree murder to hold him if
37:35
Speaker 1: he has convicted on first, agree murder for life no
37:39
Speaker 1: par all, which is the maximum sentence here in Massachusetts.
37:42
Speaker 1: There is no death penalty in Massachusetts. Nancy, Can I
37:45
Speaker 1: just say one thing about the internet searches and it's
37:47
Speaker 1: one thing that has just absolutely haunted me when I
37:50
Speaker 1: go back over this timeline and you realize that there
37:55
Speaker 1: was a New Year's Eve party, that there were three
37:58
Speaker 1: people at this party. It was Brian, and they had
38:01
Speaker 1: one guest in the house, and that guest left the
38:03
Speaker 1: house somewhere between twelve thirty and one o'clock in the morning.
38:09
Speaker 1: That first search how long before a body starts to
38:13
Speaker 1: smell is at four fifty five am. On A Walsh
38:17
Speaker 1: was alive at one o'clock in the morning, and at
38:19
Speaker 1: four fifty five am she's gone, and that search is done,
38:24
Speaker 1: and I just think about that, and I think that
38:26
Speaker 1: she's in the house. They also found we haven't talked
38:29
Speaker 1: about this in the distrecord arrangement. They said that they
38:34
Speaker 1: found blood in the basement and they found I think
38:37
Speaker 1: it was two bloody knives, one broken bloody knife in
38:42
Speaker 1: the basement and a heavy smell of ammonia in the
38:45
Speaker 1: basement of the house. So you know, I'm picturing in
38:48
Speaker 1: my mind that her body is there in the basement.
38:50
Speaker 1: He's killed her, and he goes and he finds his
38:53
Speaker 1: kid's iPad, and he's doing these searches within a couple
38:57
Speaker 1: of hours of his wife being there, someone that he loved,
39:00
Speaker 1: And this is what he is doing. I had a story,
39:04
Speaker 1: I broke a story about how he threatened to kill
39:08
Speaker 1: her back in twenty fourteen. And here he is, in
39:11
Speaker 1: the first day of twenty twenty three, in the house
39:13
Speaker 1: with her dead body, and this is she isn't even cold,
39:18
Speaker 1: and he is already coming up with this plan on
39:21
Speaker 1: what to do with her remains. You know, the depravity
39:24
Speaker 1: of this case. I've been doing this for forty years,
39:26
Speaker 1: and the depravity of this case to me is really
39:29
Speaker 1: just off the charts. The three children, the three little boys,
39:33
Speaker 1: now no mom and potentially no dad at home either.
39:40
Speaker 1: Not that it matters, motive never has to be proven
39:43
Speaker 1: in court, But Bob, why why did he do this?
39:47
Speaker 1: There's another There's another detail here too, And from talking
39:50
Speaker 1: to investigators, the New York Post had this picture you
39:55
Speaker 1: all may have seen, and I talked to an investigator
39:58
Speaker 1: about this. There was a champagne, a box of champagne
40:03
Speaker 1: from the party that the New York Post got a
40:05
Speaker 1: picture of. That was that was on the dining room table.
40:09
Speaker 1: I went knocked on the door when before all this
40:11
Speaker 1: blew up, before everything happened, I was trying to talk
40:14
Speaker 1: to Brian. I didn't you know when she was missing,
40:16
Speaker 1: and we didn't know what we were getting ourselves into,
40:18
Speaker 1: really really early on, and I could see inside and
40:21
Speaker 1: the Christmas tree was still set up and it was
40:23
Speaker 1: still lit. You could see inside. I didn't see what
40:26
Speaker 1: I'm about to describe to you because the police hadn't
40:28
Speaker 1: done their search yet. So they found a bottle of
40:34
Speaker 1: champagne and I was still in its box, and the
40:37
Speaker 1: New York Post got a picture of this. And on
40:41
Speaker 1: the side of the box on a Walsh had written
40:44
Speaker 1: a note to Brian on New Year's Eve that said
40:48
Speaker 1: to Brian, we made it through twenty twenty two. It
40:51
Speaker 1: was a tough year, but twenty twenty three is going
40:54
Speaker 1: to be a great year. Love you on a and
40:57
Speaker 1: had had hearts written on it. And the investigator that
41:03
Speaker 1: I spoke to said they believed that that was her.
41:06
Speaker 1: Those are her last words to the world. And when
41:10
Speaker 1: I look at there's another Internet search here from December
41:14
Speaker 1: twenty seventh. They did not describe where the Internet search
41:19
Speaker 1: was found, so they didn't say if it was on
41:21
Speaker 1: the kid's iPad or was on a phone or a computer,
41:24
Speaker 1: but all it said was best state for a divorce
41:28
Speaker 1: for a man. So that's from December twenty seventh, when
41:31
Speaker 1: honestill alive before the New Year's Eve party. And it
41:35
Speaker 1: makes me wonder if, if, if whatever happened, whatever whatever
41:40
Speaker 1: happened New Year's Eve, if Anna never saw this coming,
41:43
Speaker 1: just came out of the blue. I think because the
41:47
Speaker 1: story that I broke about the threat that she complained
41:51
Speaker 1: back in twenty fourteen, before they were engaged, they were
41:55
Speaker 1: just dating. She complained to DC police that he threatened
41:59
Speaker 1: to kill her in twenty fourteen, I think, and I
42:04
Speaker 1: know investigators think that this is a domestic violence case
42:07
Speaker 1: and there's an escalation that started. Then in twenty eighteen,
42:12
Speaker 1: there's a selfie picture of her where she's pointing at
42:16
Speaker 1: a bruise on her face and she said that she walked,
42:19
Speaker 1: she fell at work or something. It's on one of
42:22
Speaker 1: her Instagram accounts and I think there was an escalation
42:26
Speaker 1: of domestic violence. I don't think the police were ever called,
42:29
Speaker 1: but something happened was going on behind the scenes. And
42:32
Speaker 1: this is going to be one of the things that
42:33
Speaker 1: I'm going to be watching for to try to understand
42:36
Speaker 1: what happened here and how this exploded, because you don't
42:40
Speaker 1: you don't get to this kind of and this hatred
42:45
Speaker 1: to you know, I can understand a moment of passion
42:49
Speaker 1: of murder of um, you know, a moment of anger,
42:53
Speaker 1: But this dismemberment and this depravity that we see here
42:58
Speaker 1: in these messages that are called out on the iPad
43:01
Speaker 1: and then what we've been talking about with the disposal
43:03
Speaker 1: of the body. It's almost too much. And this is
43:10
Speaker 1: going to be really interesting to see how this all
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Speaker 1: unfolds into court. And right now the case file is sealed,
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Speaker 1: and we're hoping to get some more information once the
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Speaker 1: seal is open and we find out some more information
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Speaker 1: now that he's been indicted, and we get some more
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Speaker 1: information out of the Grand Jurity Bob Board. Thank you,
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Speaker 1: we wait as justice and false goodbye. Thanks