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SMNTY Classics: The Star Wars Prequels · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha.
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  Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stuff I've never told your production by
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  Speaker 2: Heart Radio, and welcome to a very special classic today
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  Speaker 2: if you're listening to which when it comes out is
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  Speaker 2: May the Fourth Star Wars Day.
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  Speaker 3: May the Fourth be with you.
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  Speaker 2: Also there's Revenge of the Fifth and or six, depending
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  Speaker 2: on who you ask. But to that end, I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to bring back a classic episode we did on the
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars prequels, which, funnily enough, I think I would
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  Speaker 2: have a lot more to say about.
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  Speaker 3: Them if we did them now.
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  Speaker 2: Of course you would, of course I think I was like,
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  Speaker 2: my viewpoints have changed on something. Yeah, the twenty fifth
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  Speaker 2: anniversary of The Phantom Menace is this month. Since this year,
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  Speaker 2: it's happening now because it's playing in theaters. And if
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  Speaker 2: you listen to my recent Happy Hour wherein I talk
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  Speaker 2: about some of my new Star Wars thoughts, I've talked
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  Speaker 2: about this theory about Padme, who was very key in
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  Speaker 2: the prequels, and it was a theory about why Darth
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  Speaker 2: Vader never since Luke and Lea. I wanted to bring
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  Speaker 2: one key point I forgot to bring up in that
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  Speaker 2: about this I've talked about this before in my episode
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  Speaker 2: my Happy Hour called My fan Fiction is Better Than Yours.
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars has this whole fascinating thing that is very
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  Speaker 2: prevalent in it, which is called wat Sonyan versus Doulian.
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  Speaker 2: This is essentially kind of are we explaining it because
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  Speaker 2: of outside forces or something inside story wise, or like
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  Speaker 2: they couldn't get Mark Hamill, like you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: So that being said, I've had some interesting disagreements with
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  Speaker 2: friends about this before. But obviously one of the reasons
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  Speaker 2: Vader didn't since Leya is because they didn't know Leyah
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  Speaker 2: was his kid until they wrote Return of the Jedi, right,
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  Speaker 2: So that's a very like lot Sony and versus Douleian.
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  Speaker 2: And then we're trying to explain it, or even the
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  Speaker 2: creators are trying to explain it much later with this
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  Speaker 2: very cool theory, which they might have done on purpose
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  Speaker 2: or might not have done a lot of times, the
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  Speaker 2: fans are doing this work and no one knows what
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about. So I don't know if that's the
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  Speaker 2: case here, but I just felt like I should bring
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  Speaker 2: that up, is that the Layah wasn't his daughter. That's
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  Speaker 2: not what they were thinking until Return of the Jedi,
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  Speaker 2: So just a note on that. Okay, yes, but anyway,
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  Speaker 2: I hope that you enjoy the holiday, if you celebrate.
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  Speaker 4: And please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is any
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  Speaker 4: and Samantha, and.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to stuff on. I told your production of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: So today I wanted to ask you, Samantha. I'd I'd
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  Speaker 2: be very interested to know the answer to this question.
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  Speaker 2: Has there ever been something that you really loved as
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  Speaker 2: a kid and then people made you feel really embarrassed
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  Speaker 2: or ashamed of loving it, and then as you got older,
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  Speaker 2: maybe you didn't come back to it, but you gave
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  Speaker 2: it like a deeper, a deeper thought.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm trying to think of things that
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  Speaker 1: I loved as a kid, but I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: I ever felt shame of it necessarily. I mean, we
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  Speaker 1: could go real deep into the fact that trying to
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  Speaker 1: be very away from my culture. So I was very
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  Speaker 1: ashamed to try to do anything that was Asian because
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  Speaker 1: I want to acclimate so badly. I know I loved
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  Speaker 1: Babysitters Club, but I feel like most of my friends did,
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  Speaker 1: so we were cool on that. I love old movies,
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  Speaker 1: but it was something that I could do on my own,
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  Speaker 1: so no one really needed to tell me otherwise. I
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  Speaker 1: always felt like I was trying to fit in and
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  Speaker 1: so was it that I loved it, but I was
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  Speaker 1: trying to make myself love it, right, So I was
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  Speaker 1: one of those kids, So I don't I don't think
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  Speaker 1: I do. I will say I did really love Twilight
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  Speaker 1: in my thirties, I guess maybe twenties, late twenties, which
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  Speaker 1: there was a bit of a shame factor. But even
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  Speaker 1: the people who made fun of me when I would
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  Speaker 1: have them watch it or get them interested to, so
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  Speaker 1: they no longer felt shame. So I know I felt
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  Speaker 1: shame very good. So I no longer felt shame because
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  Speaker 1: I got them into it too, so I they couldn't
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  Speaker 1: say anything right, right, No, I don't really know.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good example, because I do feel like a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people shamed, especially young girls and women, for
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  Speaker 2: liking Twilight. Right. Yeah, It's strange because I was both
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  Speaker 2: my relationship with my brothers. I had two brothers when older,
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  Speaker 2: and one younger was at times very antagonistic. But it's
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  Speaker 2: complicated because they both made me feel ashamed of the
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  Speaker 2: things I liked, Like I was made fun of for liking.
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  Speaker 3: Star Wars even though they liked Star Wars.
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  Speaker 2: And I was made fun of for liking Harry Potter
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  Speaker 2: even though they liked Harry Potter. But I will say
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  Speaker 2: on that one not at the same level as I did.
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  Speaker 2: But they did make fun of me for liking Star Wars.
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  Speaker 2: But at the same time I did. I wanted their
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if respect is the right word, but
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  Speaker 2: almost acceptance, I guess. So when I would go yeah,
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  Speaker 2: when I would go to school, I was kind of
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  Speaker 2: immune to like if people made fun of me for
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  Speaker 2: liking Star Wars, that didn't hurt, but my brothers did,
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  Speaker 2: if that makes sense, because I loved it and I
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  Speaker 2: was like, I know it's I know, I love.
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  Speaker 3: It and whatever.
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  Speaker 2: But then in this context of like my brothers making
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  Speaker 2: fun of me, that was kind of Oh.
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  Speaker 3: But this is.
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  Speaker 2: Especially pertinent to the conversation having today, which is about
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  Speaker 2: the Star Wars prequel see yep, yep. And I'll get
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  Speaker 2: more into that in a second. But I did want
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  Speaker 2: to give a quick shout out to Jamie. Hello, Jamie,
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  Speaker 2: Hello for sending is amazing care Kitka.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, we really do appreciate.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the poetics.
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  Speaker 2: Those with Sabbie things were the bomb, yes, yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: also to Don who made these amazing what I'd never heard.
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  Speaker 3: Of it called yarn bombs. Yeah yeah yeah, which are
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  Speaker 3: these just like really big?
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  Speaker 2: I voted and there's a peach one that for voting
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  Speaker 2: in Georgia obviously, and they're just so impressive. And I
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  Speaker 2: really am impressed with the things that you listeners can do.
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  Speaker 1: Such talent since Clochet did not work out so well,
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  Speaker 1: so such talent, yes, I guess netting more so than Crochet,
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  Speaker 1: but yes.
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  Speaker 3: Either case. So I also want to put in here
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  Speaker 3: before we get into this.
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  Speaker 2: We do a lot of you listeners have sent in
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  Speaker 2: suggestions for feminist movie Friday, and thank you so much
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  Speaker 2: for sending those, and also the book suggestions, because it
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  Speaker 2: does help us.
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  Speaker 3: Decide because there's a lot of.
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  Speaker 2: Books and movies out there and we want to do
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  Speaker 2: things that you like, and those are on the list.
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  Speaker 3: I swear we're gonna get so I am sorry.
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  Speaker 2: I guess that today we are starting off a three
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  Speaker 2: part Feminist Maybe Friday series on the Star Wars trilogies,
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  Speaker 2: starting with the prequels and building up to May the
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  Speaker 2: Fourth Be with You slash Star Wars Day and Revenge
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  Speaker 2: of the Fifth.
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  Speaker 3: Can't forget Revenge of the Fifth.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that the timing will work out because
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  Speaker 2: I think we might have miscalculated. I think we did
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  Speaker 2: because originally we were going to end on the original
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  Speaker 2: trilogy because it's my favorite. But now if we want
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  Speaker 2: that one to be may the fourth be with you
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  Speaker 2: that that will be the next one.
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  Speaker 3: We'll just have to decide.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, work it out.
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  Speaker 3: Well. I have faith in us. I think we can
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  Speaker 3: work this out.
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  Speaker 2: So these are going to be a bit different in
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  Speaker 2: that we're focusing more on the woman at the center
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  Speaker 2: of each trilogy and some overarching themes as opposed to
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  Speaker 2: one movie.
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  Speaker 3: And this was Samantha's idea. I swear. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: one will believe me.
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  Speaker 1: It's true. It's true. We have been talking, and since
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  Speaker 1: I have been taken over, the last few movies have
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  Speaker 1: been my suggestions. I did make you watch The Mummy
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  Speaker 1: Returns because it brought me joy.
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  Speaker 3: I thought that was a break.
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  Speaker 1: I made you watch a musical, even though those can
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  Speaker 1: make you uncomfortable, you know. Yeah, all of these things
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  Speaker 1: were like my choices, and I was like you know what,
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  Speaker 1: we need to go back into the fandom that we
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  Speaker 1: know you love. And right now I cannot escape. You
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  Speaker 1: cannot escape. No one if you are a part of
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  Speaker 1: our world, really can't escape. So it kind of let's
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  Speaker 1: just dig in. Let's just get all the way in,
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  Speaker 1: and I.
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  Speaker 2: Will say, as there is some some light at the
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  Speaker 2: end of this pandemic tunnel. And I have been reflecting
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  Speaker 2: on on this year in my apartment. I Star Wars
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  Speaker 2: has really got me through in a lot of ways,
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  Speaker 2: like and You're not the only one. It has been
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  Speaker 2: my comfort, like the thing that I watched, the like reading.
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  Speaker 2: I've watched all the shows which I had before, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that I ever would have. And I
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  Speaker 2: feel like much more qualified to talk about this now.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like, Okay, I got this. I've been reading
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  Speaker 3: the comics like it's really been.
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  Speaker 2: When I look back at Quarantine, I think one of
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  Speaker 2: the like memories I'm going to have is just Star
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  Speaker 2: Wars being a constant, like stressed reliever.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're gonna like it's gonna be one of
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  Speaker 1: those things when you watch it after the quarantine is
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  Speaker 1: lifted and we're all kind of figuring out the New normal. Right,
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  Speaker 1: every time you're watching it, you're going to have that
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  Speaker 1: sentimental feeling of that comfort from this time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I was wondering what that's going
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  Speaker 2: to be like to watch these outside of this. But
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  Speaker 2: because in case I haven't mentioned it before, I have
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  Speaker 2: watched you original trilogy at least every Sunday since last
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  Speaker 2: March thirteenth, So that's a lot. But I do other
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  Speaker 2: stuff while they're on, but they're like my thing that
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  Speaker 2: I put on comforting.
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  Speaker 1: You say that you kne their stuff, but there's definitely
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  Speaker 1: those moments where you cannot be touched or talked to
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  Speaker 1: because you're just like the audible gaps that happened to you.
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  Speaker 1: Even though I know this is your one million, two
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  Speaker 1: hundred thousand, sixty eight whatever time, Yeah, that you've watched it,
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  Speaker 1: you still get so caught up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like six scenes that I cannot be disturbed
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  Speaker 2: and they still have an emotional impact, which I find
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  Speaker 2: really really interesting. But yeah, I did want to say
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  Speaker 2: it was really funny to me when you were like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: these will be really easy for you to want to
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  Speaker 2: research it, and I was mentally like, oh, I got
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  Speaker 2: to read these books and I gotta do this.
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  Speaker 3: I gotta do this trying not to.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you make the mistake of telling me what you're
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  Speaker 1: thinking about writing. I'm like, no, you can't do that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So I had to stop myself on this one,
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  Speaker 2: so that's a bit shorter.
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  Speaker 1: I was very impressed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, I wanted to read those three books,
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  Speaker 2: the trilogy about Padme, who we're going to be talking
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  Speaker 2: about today, but alas the time ran out.
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  Speaker 3: So others ours.
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  Speaker 2: Women are definitely going to be featuring in our segment
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  Speaker 2: subsegment fictional women around the world, So never fear or
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  Speaker 2: have fear.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I think it will help for people who, you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you want to know more about Ahsoka Tano but
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  Speaker 2: don't necessarily want to watch all the shows and everything.
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  Speaker 3: I think they'll be good primers.
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  Speaker 1: I've always come to you for those.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, and I know.
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  Speaker 2: You did like a very massive two partner on Princess
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  Speaker 2: Leah already.
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  Speaker 3: But we're going to mix it up, so.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and jump in. Yes, today we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about the much maligned Star Wars prequel trilogy, and I
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  Speaker 1: understand it. I'm like, what is happening? Why is this happening.
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  Speaker 1: I think I said that a lot. The Penttomenace, Attack
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  Speaker 1: of the Clones, and Revenge of the Sith and their
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  Speaker 1: main female character, pat mat Naberi Queen Amidala played by
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  Speaker 1: Natalie Portman. She was like sixteen seventeen. We were looking
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  Speaker 1: this up the other day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this was like her first start, like big role
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  Speaker 2: because she done other stuff, but.
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  Speaker 1: Well, like she was pretty big beforehand with The Hitman
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  Speaker 1: or The Profession, The Professional, which is one of my
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  Speaker 1: favorite movies. So Bona's discussion of related comics, televan shows,
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  Speaker 1: and video games. Not surprisingly, Yes, I also want.
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  Speaker 2: To say that it's become a running joke with Samantha
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  Speaker 2: that she agrees with one of the worst lines in
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  Speaker 2: all the movies.
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  Speaker 3: I don't like sex, not wrong, Sandy is not great.
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  Speaker 1: But it gets everywhere. He is so right, and I
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  Speaker 1: will hold to that, all right.
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  Speaker 2: So here's the part of these three movies in a nutshell.
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  Speaker 2: So we follow Anakin Skywalker's journey from young child to
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  Speaker 2: trouble Jedi groomed by super creeper Senator Palpatine Slash the Emperor,
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  Speaker 2: to Darth Vader. And I had this poster in my
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  Speaker 2: wall when I was a kid and it was the
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  Speaker 2: young actor who plays Anakin Skywalker and he's like nine.
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  Speaker 2: This shadow was Darth Vader, and I thought it was
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  Speaker 2: the coolest thing. So yes, Darth Vader being Luke and
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  Speaker 2: Lea's father. In the original trilogy, we see the destruction
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  Speaker 2: of the brotherhood between Anakin and his master and friend
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  Speaker 2: Obi Wan Kenobi, the intense love he has for Queen
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  Speaker 2: and later Senator Padme Amidala that in part leaves him
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  Speaker 2: to fall to darkness and to evil. We see Padme's
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  Speaker 2: death and Luke and Lea's separation so that they can
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  Speaker 2: be hidden from the Emperor and Vader.
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  Speaker 3: There are tax.
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  Speaker 2: Disputes and lava battles and so many lost limbs thoughts
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  Speaker 2: on sand. Yes, very awkward dialogue which George Lucas has
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  Speaker 2: now said was on purpose, which I found very funny.
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  Speaker 2: The very problematic racist tropes, and also a lot of
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  Speaker 2: quite sad deaths and death of children.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and very weird water scenes for those who, for
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  Speaker 1: whatever reason, weren't plugged into the world of Star Wars
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  Speaker 1: when this came out, much like myself, there was so
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  Speaker 1: much hype. I do remember, people will get really, really
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  Speaker 1: really excited, especially with they were announcing the actors who
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  Speaker 1: would be portraying whomever, and these movies were coming out
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  Speaker 1: sixteen years after the last movie of the original trilogy
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  Speaker 1: really hard to do, which was the Retard of the
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  Speaker 1: Jedi or Episode six, which is very confusing and I
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  Speaker 1: have to ask constantly what what, wait, huh when does
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  Speaker 1: this take place? Lots of timelines, lots of timelines. The
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  Speaker 1: original trilogy had just been re released in nineteen ninety seven, which,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, is happening again, right? No? I thought, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: not that they were re releasing it soon. Ye I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there was an odd thing that I never got
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  Speaker 2: to the bottom of last Christmas where they were trailers
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  Speaker 2: on YouTube videos that were acting as if the most
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  Speaker 2: recent movie, Rise of Skywalker, was coming out in theaters again.
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  Speaker 2: It was very confused because it came out a year before.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about the original trilogy. I know Empire
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  Speaker 2: strikes Back as one of the top grossing movies of
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty because they were showing it old movies and
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  Speaker 2: drive ins and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: I do.
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  Speaker 2: I saw this when I was a kid at Delanaga
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  Speaker 2: had a really small movie theater called the Holly, and
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  Speaker 2: I went to go see the re releases at the
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  Speaker 2: Holly and it definitely violated coaches. People were just standing
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  Speaker 2: in there. It was packed and it was the coolest thing.
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  Speaker 2: But those are the versions. This also commusis Samantha so
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  Speaker 2: much and I'm like, well, that's a Disney plus version,
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  Speaker 2: and that's this. These are the ones that most people
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  Speaker 2: probably own. The nineteen ninety seven releases. That's when George
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  Speaker 2: Lucas put in kind of this bad cgi in these
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  Speaker 2: older movies.
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  Speaker 3: That was foretelling of what was to happen in the
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  Speaker 3: pantom Mint.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and I did watch all of those guys. I
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  Speaker 1: watched all of them, so fans were pumped to see
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  Speaker 1: how hero anakas Skyle Walker became a Darth Vader. And
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  Speaker 1: then they weren't good. Apparently I didn't enjoy them myself,
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  Speaker 1: but I just assumed it was because I don't love
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  Speaker 1: Star Wars like everyone else does, and maybe I'm just
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  Speaker 1: a little more skeptical. I don't know. There were parts
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  Speaker 1: of them that were good, and there really was no
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  Speaker 1: way they could have lived up to the hype. But
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  Speaker 1: apparently they just were very good.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that was the consensus Yeah, people were let down.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: The hype was very very chance and I will say
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  Speaker 2: I was eleven, I think when the first installment, The
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  Speaker 2: Phantom Menace came out in nineteen ninety nine, and I
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  Speaker 2: loved it.
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  Speaker 3: I loved it. I saw it several times in theaters.
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  Speaker 2: I had the toys, including one of my favorite toys
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  Speaker 2: of all time to this day, which was this droid
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  Speaker 2: and you had a lightsaber with this tracking mechanism and
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  Speaker 2: it would shoot out these disk at you and you
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  Speaker 2: had to hit them with your lightsaber.
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  Speaker 3: The coolest, it was the coolest.
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  Speaker 2: I also spent twenty dollars trying to get an Anakin
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  Speaker 2: Skywalker toy from a claw machine and I'm sure I
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  Speaker 2: could have just bought the toy like six dollars.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I had the cards.
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  Speaker 2: I had all of the cards, the books, the shirts,
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  Speaker 2: the posters.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my friends and I was thinking about this other day.
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  Speaker 2: We were in high school when Revenge of the Sith
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: came out, which was the last one, and we all
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: had shirts made and went our matching Revenge of the
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Sifth shirts.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: To go see it. And I am still friends with
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: every one of those people to this day. Yeah.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, and then I won this really really cool backpack
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: that I gave away. I'm so mad I gave it away,
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: but it did become very, very uncool almost immediately. But
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: I was shielded by my child innocence to like the prequels,
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: so I gave all of this stuff away and now
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: I'm sad about it.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: The soundtrack was the first CD I ever bought. And
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: you know, despite being.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Much maligned, people complaining and their reviews not being great,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: these movies did make a lot of money and they
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: were kids movies, and I think that they succeeded in
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: that way, not that they were necessarily good, but I
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: firsually think there's a whole generation of kids out there
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: that grew up with the prequels and didn't have that
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: level of expectation or nostalgia for the original trilogy, and
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: they might even prefer the prequels. And we've talked about
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: how toxic fandom can be and Star Wars largely dude
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: fans of Star Wars can be really, really intense and
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: some of the worst in my opinion, when it comes
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: to this. So the backlash was quite furious and vitriol,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: and I think we sometimes forget that as beloved as
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: they are. The original trilogy are kids movies too, so
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: it's like kids who grew up with the original trilogy
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: and loved it became adults went in to see these prequels,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: and I theorized forgot there for kids, right, like, ideally
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: adults would like them too.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: But and yeah, they weren't good in a lot of.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Ways, but people were pissed pissed, and yeah, I got
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: made fun of a lot for liking them. Recently, the
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: prequels have been getting some love or at least not
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: outright hate as time has.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Passed, right, So, yeah, a lot of things are coming
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: back up with the fact that Obi Wan Kenobi's about
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: to get his own little show, right, and then we're
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: gonna see Anakin Skywalker again coming through, So apparently they're
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: getting some kind of love. Yeah, who knows. So pad Me,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: let's talk about pad Main and a Berry, who is
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: not only in the movies but apparently in the comics,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: which you've been telling me a lot about. Also the
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: animated series The Clone Wars you also told me about that,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: and books like the recent Queen's Hope by E. K. Johnston.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Her name Padme means lotus flower, while Amidala might mean
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: beautiful flower and the bari means mother of twins, little
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: en the rose there.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: And I didn't include this for you specifically, Samantha, because
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: you recently. You didn't make fun of me, but you
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: kind of teased me about this fan fiction. I was
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: reading about Luke owning a flower shop, and you're like,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense, and.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I was like, well, what it doesn't add to make sense.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: It's fan fiction, but flowers were a key part of
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: his well.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I was just saying, wouldn't he be an actual teacher
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: of sorts? How he did?
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: He was both.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So it just didn't seem possible to me.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: I think you're just trying to pick on mean while yet.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: So.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Padme is a human woman from the planet Naboo, where
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: she ruled as the Democrat elected queen when she was fourteen.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: She served as a member of the Galactic Senate during
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: the last year of the Republic. One of her most
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: defining traits is her political idealism and dedication to democracy.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Padmey knew early on that she was interested in helping
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: people through politics. At the age of seven, she participated
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: in a failed relief effort that only strengthened her determination
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: to help people through public service when we are first
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: introduced her in Phantom Menace, so she does appear earlier
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: than this, confusingly in the extended universe. Star Wars is
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: very very messy in that way. But the first time
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: most people were equainted with her in Phantom Menace. She
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: is fourteen, and she spends much of the film undercover
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: in quotes as a handmaiden to the Queen Amidala. And
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Amidala is Padmey's name is Queen Queens of Naboo have
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: a detail of trained lookalikes that serve as protectors, among
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: other things, and that's the movie I want to see.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: But so she's one of these lookalikes, is pretending to
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: be Queen Amidala while the actual Queen Amidala padme is
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: pretending to be a handmaiden.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Makes perfect sense, got it?
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: And she accompanies the Jedi Qui gon Jen and Obi
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Wan Kenobi and meets her future secret husband, Anakin Skywalker,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: who is a nine year old enslaved child on the
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: planet of Tatooine. At the time, Padme is confident with
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: the blaster and in her leadership, and she was a
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: much beloved political figure on her planet and an inspiration
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: for many. After serving two terms as Queen, the people
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: tried to amend the constitution so she could serve again,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: but she declined. However, thanks to her manipulative colleague, she Palpatine,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: the Emperor, the future Emperor, and her desperation to save
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: for people, she initiated the vote of no confidence that
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: made the way for Palpatine to rise to the role
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: of Supreme Chancellor. As a senator, was a pivotal figure
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: in the separatist crisis, proving herself to be a skilled
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: negotiator and speaker, quick on her feet, and competent in
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: combat situations. She aligned herself with senators Orghana and mon Mathma,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: who influenced her politics and would later go on to
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: be leaders of the Rebel Alliance, and Belle would go
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: on to raise her daughter Leah.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: So again, like, imagine as.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: You were seeing these, if you knew the original childre well,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: you were seeing like, oh, it's that person, it's that person.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: So I can totally understand. People are listening like, well,
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: what are you talking about?
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: But Mam Mathma and beil r Ghana are kind of
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: these big figureheads of the rebellion, and even if it's
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: not happening at that time, you know kind of what
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: they're going to become. Padme had her her fair share
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: of enemies, and an assassination attempt forces her to go
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: into hiding with none other than Jedi Anakin Skywalker, who
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: at this point he's nineteen and she's twenty four, so
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: we're a little older. They fall in love, but the
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Jedi code forbids possession and detachment.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, don't get me started on the Jedi code.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: After a coliseum battle and which Padme resourcefully picks a lot,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: but then has one of the silliest tearing of costumes
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: that results in like this perfect crop top that I've
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: ever seen. She and Anakin secretly marry, a marriage that
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: later has galactic repercussions. Because of her involvement in politics
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: from a young age, she doesn't get to live outside
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: of that structure that much, and she longs for freedom,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: something of our own. You do see that in the
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: comics and the books, and that's one of the reasons
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: for the secret marriage, is she wanted something of her own.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Also, she was quite young and.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: In love, yeah, very young. Due to their responsibilities during
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: the Clone Wars. Then I've been just told that it
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: is not the movie or the anime series, but a
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: time period.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: It's what happens, it is all of us.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: So I'm trying to get myself bearings. Anakin and Padme
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: did not get much time together, as we saw, and
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: we see the flaws and their relationships, lots of secrets
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: and the strain again of keeping a secret. I feel
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: like that's just a cautionary tale for all the movies.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Padme's first priorities are her ideals and democracy. The changes
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: when she finds out she is pregnant, something that will
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: make hiding her relationship with Anakin even more difficult. Surprise, surprise, well,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: she does wear the really big goaln she does. However,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: both are thrilled at the news babies. Soon after the revelation,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Anakin begins having visions of Padme and their child's death,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: something he is desperate to prevent. He learns that Palpatine
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: is a sixth Lord, and he promises that by using
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the Dark Side he'll be able to save his wife
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: and their baby.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Lies.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: He succumbs to the dark Side and ignores Padma's pleas
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: for him to come back, strengthening her into unconsciousness. At
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: a secret medical center, weird medical center, she gives birth
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: to Luke and Leah, surprise twins. She dies of heartbreak,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: which I still find hard to believe, or perhaps more
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: likely Palpatine killed her, proclaiming with her dying breath that
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: she knows they're still good. In Anakin, who by now
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: has assumed his identity as Darth Vader, we get to
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: see that whole big scene, believing his wife and child
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: to be dead at his hands, which is still I'm
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: still trying to figure that one out. The Republic she
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: fought so hard for is destroyed and replaced by the Empire,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: with her husband functioning as its enforcer. In the wake
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: of her death, Patme becomes a symbol of democracy and
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: later the rebellion itself. Her children went on to play
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: a major role in dismantling the Empire as we know
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: and restoring democracy and in the end the redemption of
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Anakin Skywalker.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, this is some of those things sometimes when
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: I and I know I've talked to you about this
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: before with like the Last of Us, Samantha.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Sometimes when you just write.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Out a plot and you take away all the clunky
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: dialogue and just get to the bare bones.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: What the story is not the case the Lastibah has
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: been in this. It's so sad. That's a sad tale.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: And we're gonna we're gonna get.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Into some of these these sad elements and feminist elements,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: but first we're gonna polish for a quick break for
• 26:09
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• 26:26
  Speaker 2: since it is a big part of this. I didn't
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: want to ask, do you think you could do a
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: secret marriage?
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Samantha funny story. I have a friend who got married,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: never told her parents. It's not necessarily a secret to
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: anybody else who is close to them, but her parents
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: still think she's not married, and she's been able to
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: pull it off. And I'm still baffled by this. Wow, Personally,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know if because I just don't care about
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: marriage for me personally, so I don't know if I
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: would care enough to try secret marriage. That just seems
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: like extract right. And I say this in today's society
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: where it's okay to be together and just to be
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: in a partnership, and I enjoy that, so kind of like, well,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: why would I go to the trouble of having a
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: marriage if I'm keeping it a secret, if I don't
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: care to be married, So why so I don't know,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: would you? Uh?
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: I mean I similarly, I don't really want to get it.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: But if I was in a situation where I did,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: I can see how the strains of it, and especially
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: not being able to communicate those like strains with other
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: people are in front of other people, wouldn't make it
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: very difficult and resentment could build or just like not
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: because you're not communicating honestly with other people. So I
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: can see how that would really mess up your communication
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: in that relationship, and you wouldn't ever quite be sure.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, if you had a healthy relationship, you
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: would be secure and like, Okay, this is fine. But
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I think the very fact of key being in a
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: secret feels like it's not fine in some.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Way, right, I think my friend who isn't and this
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: is a completely different tone. It's not necessarily she's trying
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: to keep it a secret. It's just she's just not
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: telling everyone. Sure it doesn't care too in the story.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And this is obviously like a intergalactic space
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: war situation where they're both in they have responsibilities to
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: a larger and to tree that puts a lot of
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: pressure on them.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess this could be a tale of like, yes,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: they're in love, but also their young teenagers are being
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: told they can't be in love, so yeah, a double
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: like ooh.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true. And there's a lot of trauma
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: behind a lot of their decisions before. We've talked about
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: in a minute, But I didn't want to put in
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: here because there's this recent TikTok story, Like a TikTok
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: user used math to suggest that Padme is the strongest
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: character in Star Wars based on the scene and attack
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: of the Clones when Padme jumps from the top of
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: this really tall hole onto a reek which is kind
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: of like a big rhino thing.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: And doesn't even flinch.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: The user Shayey, calculated how much force that would put
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: on the body and then argued from there that it
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: makes her the strongest character.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: And you and I discussed that in our viewing because.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, al because we watched this for this
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: upcoming and I was like, aw, how does that not
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: hurt a b Also, she is one of the only
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: ones who can actually hit people with her guns. Yeah,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, what is wrong with everybody else? Why
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: are these laser guns so bad?
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: You've heard my theories. But that's a different time. And
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: she's badass in a lot of ways. She's intelligent, compassionate, curious, determined,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: she's capable, she's brave, she's a good leader. She champions
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: things like the anti slavery campaign. But yes, in a
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: lot of ways, the movies especially did her wrong. And
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: one of the big ways, in my opinion, is blaming
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: when because there's this narrative of her being the cause
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: of Anakin's fall to the dark side, and some of
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: that comes from outside interpretations. So a lot of write
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: ups blame Padme, sometimes not explicitly, but the language is
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: pretty pretty implicit for the fall of the Republican rise
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: of the Empire because of her secret marriage to Anakin
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: that pushed him to fall. But I think it takes
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: two to tango friends, and she's not responsible for his
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: actions in the end. They were both young and in
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: love and they made mistakes, but it is not solely
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: on her that he became dark.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Right, she was young, and I keep talking about that
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: as well. When she was elected and I'm still trying
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: to wrap my mind around that. I mean, she admits
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: she believed she might not have been ready. We do
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: you see that? And through her evolution we see her mature,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: holding on to her idealism but learning when to compromise,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: although she did compromise and things that maybe she shouldn't have. Yeah, still,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: she was young when she died, and plenty of older
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: male folks in the film deserves some of the blame
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: for what happened. Again, her death just seems silly to
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: me in this movie. I know it had to happen
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: for the development of the plot, but like, really, this
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: is how you're gonna kill her all, okay? And they
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: were all fooled and manipulated by the Emperor. However, many
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: paint her as a simple love interest that ruined everything women.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: So it's another example of something we see and discuss
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: a lot in our entertainment, a woman's death jump starting
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: a male character story, in this case Darth Vaders.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, even Anakin believe she has betrayed him for Obi
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Wan Kenobi, which leaves him to attack her. She begs
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: him to come back to raise their child together, which
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: is exactly why he joined the dark Side in the
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: first place to protect them, but he refuses, arguing instead
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: they could overthrow the emperor and rule the galaxy together,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: ignoring the fact that that's what she dedicated her whole
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: life to finding out against dictatorship. He's so overcome with
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: the fear of losing her, of being powerless, that he
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: loses her and serves a new master as slaved to
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: the dark Side. That's something else that eroded the trust
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: between Padme and Anakin, his closeness to Palpatine, especially given
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: how dedicated she was the Republican preventing that slow creep
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: of emergency powers and militarism. There are even scenes where
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: she comes in and he chooses to stand by Palpatine
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: and not her when they're like arguing. So some people
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: have said that this kind of complex, convoluted thing is
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: why these movies aren't as satisfying, because they aren't the
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: simple good versus bad star wars miss stories we're used to.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, the original CHILDI has a lot
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: of complex layers to it, but in the end, it's
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: kind of like, these are the bad guys, these are
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: the good guys, Like you know the lines and these
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: are blurrier.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: The characters don't know who exactly they're fighting. We do
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: as the audience.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Except really frustrating, but they don't the good guys, and
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: these make cat astraphic mistakes that lead to tragedy and darkness,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: which watching these in the air of Trump hit differently.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I gotta say, yeah, I definitely you've definitely heard like
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: the Stormtrooper margin a lot.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So apparently Annie you told me this and I'm
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and relay it. There was a whole
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: scrapped plot line that pad May actually was more forced
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: sensitive than Anakin during her pregnancy with Luke and Leah. Interesting,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: our other strapped endings had Padme leaving Anakin to start
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: the rebellion. Apparently there's the deletedt scene where she joins
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: up with Belle Organa and man Mathma to create the
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Alliance to restore the public. But how'd that go with
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: the fight that Leyah is supposed to be adopted by.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I think she was still going to die, but she
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: had this scene of like, I'm gonna set this up
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: so she started it, and.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Then okay, or even trying to kill him when she
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: realizes what he's become which I feel like the big
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: clue was when he killed that entire population of people
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: of creatures, including the children and the women, and he
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: admits it and was okay with it, like he cried,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: but he's like it felt good, Yeah, like an avengance
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: of his mother. I was like that seems like that
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: has a huge sidney.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: There's many red flags with him.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: And while Padme does get to do her fair share
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: of ASKI king, she certainly does more ask kicking than
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I'm used to seeing from Queens and Sinner, just especially
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: as a kid when.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: I was watching these.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: She does end up meeting quite a bit of rescuing too,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: and or you see her in a fair amount of distress.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: So in that crop top incident in the second movie,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: which I want to include the description from star wars
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: WICKI fantom of that quote. This tore the waistband and
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: up her clothing, and Amidala screamed and sobbed in pain
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: as tears trickled down her cheek. I don't remember the
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: sop pain crying, but anyway, Anakin is the one that
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: ultimately comes to her rescue. She falls out of their
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: transport and falls unconscious. Soon after that, there are plenty
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: of instances of her being captured or poisoned or what
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: haves you in the show, though to be fair, she
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: does find a way out herself fairly regularly.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: There's also a.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Really weird, kind of creepy plot line with an X
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: of hers and a really jealous Anakin that feels like,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: because most of that show does feel, oh, this is
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: very much for children.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: In that episode, I was.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Like, whoa, this is pretty dark and weird. And she
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: spends a good portion of the third movie crying and
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: in emotional distress that ultimately kills her. We're going to
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: get into some some people have a different interpretation of
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: that in a minute, but and you know, it was
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: very devastating. A lot of very bad things were happening,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: but still she did spend most of the movie kind
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: of just crying. So, speaking of heartbreak and her death,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: this is probably one of the most calling things about
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: her storyline, that she dies of heartbreak after giving Bird
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: to her children. With everything we know about her, it
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: seems like she would fight like hell to protect them.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: And there is a part of me that gets the
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: romantic in heavy quotes aspect of it that she was
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: so in love with Anakin, and that knowing what he
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: did and what he'd become and how he destroyed in
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: part what she'd work so hard to better and to
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: preserve that it killed her.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: But it just feels like such a cop out.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: And every time I watch these movies, if you take
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: away the silliness, yeah, and the awkward dialogue and clunky
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: extraneous storylines, I'm really taken aback by how sad they are.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: But she was strong, like I feel like she would
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: have she would have fought. But all that being said,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: some have pointed out that it's never confirmed in canon.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: It's never officially been confirmed that she died of heartbreak,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: and in fact, it's heavily implied the Emperor killed her
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: from a fog with his dog magic powers, because how
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: did he know she was dead when he told Darth Vader.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: That's like one of the big things. The medbot treating
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: her says she has lost the will to live, which
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: could be heartbreak or I guess dark force powers that
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: a robot doesn't know about.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Fair And again, we are focusing on Padme today, but
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: because we do talk a lot about trauma and grooming
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: on the show, that plays a huge part in the
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Fall of Anakin Skywalker after growing up enslaved, he had
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: to leave his mother behind enslavement, and when he finally returns,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: she dies in his arms and he's terrified of going
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: through that pain again. With Padme, you've got the Emperor
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: grooming him and offering him a solution and whisperinging his
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: ears constantly.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Samantha knows, I'll just be like, he's so great
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: for randomly she does. And here I wanted to include
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: an email we got a while back from a listener
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: named cale Hi. Cale Cale wrote about what we're talking
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: about right here.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: Quote.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: This email is mainly for Annie because it's about Star Wars,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: but Samantha is for you to read as well. I
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: was listening to movie Crush and I heard you talk
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: about how you've been watching the Clone Wars animated series
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: and your mixed feelings about Anakin since the show humanized
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: him so much. And I am so happy to hear that.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I did not watch Star Wars as a kid, and
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: my first real exposure to the series was when my
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: partner showed me the Clone Wars series. I mostly watched animation.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: It got me into Star Wars and after watching the series.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: I went back and watched all of the movies and
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: rebels as well. Watching the Clone Wars really humanized Anakin
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: in a way that hit me hard. Watching him be
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: groomed by Palpatine, being forced a hide his relationship with Padme,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: and having no one to really go to about his
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: emotions and nightmares truly made him an island. A person
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: in such pure isolation is so easily manipulated, and so
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: watching him fall prey to Palpatine and the prequels was
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: so difficult for me to see. I have a lot
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: of deep rooted emotions about the show, Anakin and Anakin's relationships.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: With various characters.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: I would not say that I forgive him of his evils,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: but that watching the Clone Wars and how it makes
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Anakin relatable gave me insight to him as a person
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: and truly made me feel so much for him. I
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: have written a pseudo essay ramble about how I feel
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: about the Jedi Order, It's shortcomings when it comes to humanity, sentience, emotions, relationships,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: and how the rigidity of the Orders ultimately what led
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Anakin to choosing the dark side and becoming Vader.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: If you're interested, I would love to share it with you.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: I know that not a lot of people read into
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: and analyze individual characters and movies and books as much
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: as you do, and I feel a real kindredness to
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: you and how you really see each character when talking
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: about them on Sminty. Yes, I love this so much.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: I would love to read your essay. That is right
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: up my alley and something I would do. I have
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: thought so in depth about these characters, and yes, definitely
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Anakin and darth Vader and the psychology of Darth Vader
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: is something that I will bring up at any time,
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: But that is another aspect to this, as well as
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: the show really exploring that isolation and the grooming and
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: the kind of tragedy that it led to. On top
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: of that, Padme's death haunted him for the rest of
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: his life, haunted Anakin Darth Vace for the rest of
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: his life, saying her name in front of him very
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: likely he could get you killed. He never ever emotionally
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: recovered from it, and that turned into indiscriminate violence and rage.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: At one point, he encounters a ghostly massage of Padme,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: and when he begs her to come back to him,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: she kills herself instead, and that is messed up. At
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: another point, he attempted to resurrect her with an ancient
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: artifact and failed. Here's the quote from Johnston, author of
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: those Padme trilogy books we mentioned earlier.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: I had to include this. Anakin Skywalker is a.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Bit of a downer for me in terms of writing,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: because everything he touches ends badly. Quigan dies, his mom dies,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Padme dies, the galaxy falls apart. It does not go
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: well for people involved in Anakin Skywalker's story when he's.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: The main character. True. A note about the handmaidens.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Those Amidala lookalikes are the lookalikes for the queens of Naboo.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: They are badass and they're kind of creepy. They take
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: on code names, they undergo training to mimic they are queens,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: so people can't detect when one of them stands in
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: for her, which is helped by all of Naboo's traditional
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: makeup and clothing for queens. There's one storyline in the
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: book The Queen's Peril, where Padme's primary stand in and
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: closest handmaiden, Sabe, takes her place when pain from her
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: period sidelines Padme. After Padme's death, Sabe is one of
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: the leaders of a group dedicated to getting justice for
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Padme and finding her killer. Also, both Kiera Knightley and
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Rose Byrne played handmaidens in the movies.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, I looked this up and Kiera Knightley was in
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: that movie before she was invented. Like Beckham. Oh, that
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: one of the part bigger movies. Uh uh huh. And
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: along those lines of friendship among women in the show,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: we do see the friendship between Ahsoka tano Anakin's Padawan
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: and Padme, and we see them defend and protect each other,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: which is nice.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: It is nice. It is so.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: We did want to talk a bit about the legacy
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: and symbolism of Padme, but first we're gonna pasture one
• 41:56
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• 42:11
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• 42:14
  Speaker 2: So Padme's death and legacy are felt throughout the series,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: almost representative of the death of the Republic. She died
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: alongside the republic she fought so hard for, and the
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: birth of the Empire. Her children would later be so
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: instrumental in the Empire's destruction, and they were born on
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: or a few days after Empire Day, which is the
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: day the Empire was born. Padme does have one of
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: my favorite lines in the prequel trilogy. This is how
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Liberty dies to thunderous applause, and she does become a
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: symbol of the rebellion and revenge of the Sith. One
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: of her hairstyles later is adopted as the rebel symbol.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: So we also see Padme's legacy live on in Leya
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: in the costuming and hair. After the Empire's fall, Layah
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: researches until she discovers who her mother was and is
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: able to get her gowns shipped to her from Naboo Nice. However,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: all they're later stolen by an officer of the First
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Order aka the New Empire. Leah's bid to be the
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: first Senator of the new Republic, following in Padme's footsteps,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: is derilled by her father's identity as Darth Vader is revealed.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Leiah too is strong willed and determined and dedicated to
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: public service, inspiring people to her cause.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I will say it's almost a running joke.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: You can go card every time I mentioned fan fiction.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: In a lot of ways, fan fiction did kind of
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: redeem a lot of the elements of these stories. For Me,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: because people would write amazing, amazing works based on Padme
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: or Padme's influence in Luke and Leya's life. And you know,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: when you're watching the original trilogy, I think Luke didn't
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: even know the name of his mother and he's never
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: really asking about her because he was told not to ask.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: But it was always like the father who was interesting him,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: and she was sort of this blank space throughout where
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: it was like not even a question or even addressed.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: And it does feel.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Now that you know the whole story, that she's hanging there,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: kind of this sad ghost over the whole thing of
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: like forgotten, and it was her. It's her that they're
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: emulating and they don't even know it, like Luke and Layah,
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: and it was her love of this republic that felt
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: that they're trying to restore. I don't know looks wise,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: all the main female characters in these trilogies are petite, white,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: dark haired, dark eyed women, and they are meant to
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: resemble each other. But yeah, it's interesting too that you
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: see this progression through these characters of trying to be
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: more feminist and sometimes succeeding and sometimes failing spectacularly. But
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: if you look at the change of titles from Princess
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Leah to Queen Senator Amidala in these prequels too, in
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: the sequel trilogy.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: To General organa like.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: I think that was one of those things where they
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: were trying to.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Move the the move up and you know something I've
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: succeeded and sometimes didn't.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: H Yeah. We see her legacy in Luke too, who
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: is compassionate, stubborn, idealistic, kind and sees the good in
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: others to a fault Annie Cinemon role. Luke proves Amidella's
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: last words to be corrected. There were still good in Vader.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Leah later goes through something similar with her son Ben. Oh,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: that was a weird movie. Luke was always hopeful, and
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: so was Padme right until her death. That hope lived
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: on into her children, a new hope. If you will,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: I will, Ah. There's one reason her story is so painful.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: As an audience. We know what happens to her, but
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: it's always hopeful.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, She's always hopeful throughout. And you just know, this
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: goes so terribly.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: You're breaking my heart.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: You're going down to pass. I can't follow.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: That is a line that's been a Craine for me
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: because of fan fiction, people have made that into a
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: good line for me.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Here's another quote from Johnston.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: That's how I got through writing the depressing tragedy that
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: is looming at the end of this because I know
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: that hope Injurers, that good Injurers, and Padme believed it
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: even right up to the end. Yeah, so I you know,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: clearly I'm a big fan and you can't maybe trust
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: my suggestions. But I will say there is a lot
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: of like these books I've heard wonderful things about the
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: comics are good shows, Like if you're interested, there is
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: material out there that did give her more of a
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: backstory and something more like just strong and complex and
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: really flush her out as a character.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: I guess it does exist. But thank you, thank you,
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: thank you for letting me have this. I feel a
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: little tear eyed. I'm getting a little emotional.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: You're hugging yourself a lot in that like cute child like,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm seeing that for sure.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, they moved me every time I tell you so.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Thank you for letting me go on this journey, giving
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: me the space, and yes, we do want to hear
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: your suggestions. I sw we have a list, We keep
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: them and we're gonna get to them. You can email
• 47:04
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• 47:06
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• 47:10
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• 47:12
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